I guarantee he didnt spray unless the TA has mods not posted. I guess the LS1's im beating the hell out of in my lil bitty 98 GT with regular boltons and a NX plate 150 shot just dont know how to drive :( lol
Somebody please look at my 07 gt with bolt ons beat a c5 ls1 corvette, yes its stock but I pulled on it hard as fuck, guess what, its an ls1 in a lighter car than an fbody. The gt wasnt spraying....
Wow! Hey winnin is winnin and loosen is loosin. Line the exact same cars up and just see who the best driver is lol that'll settle it. Lining 2 different types of cars with 2 different pwr to weight ratios is cheating not just nitrous. People kill me. Just have fun
@Sk8FalIen i consider it cheating if you want a fair comparison of which car is faster. I mean if the stang had internal work done instead of spray, then fine, that would still be comparing what car was faster at the time with how each was built. Throwing a 100 shot on a stock car is a cheap way out and doesnt actually make the engine itself any stronger - it just puts more ponies down to the pavement. Its an additive and not a part of the actual car so i dont think it should be used in races.
@leadsailz agreed....a WS6 with a passenger and just a set of headers is nothing super fast...a stock 05+ GT w/ a 100 shot would pull the WS6 harder than the one in this vid
Ok, the mustang kicked that GM piece of shits ass, lets leave it at that. Spray or not, it still won. I have a 98 cobra with a 100 shot of spray, sct tune, bbk o/r x pipe, slp lm1s, k&n CAI, full msd race ignition, 3.73 rear end and a stage 2 KC clutch with a steeda short throw shifter and have yet to see a comaro, trans am, and some corvettes beat me. P.S. I have a vortech in my garage in a box waiting to be put on:P ... I said guud day
@nola504boy1 by getting a S197? I could understand if you picked up the new 5.0 but why say a S197 is better when stock for stock the LS1 straight up owns the S197. LS1's are putting more down at the wheels bone stock then they have at the crank son.
@cozzey05 dude wake up please!! when I said I was ready for a upgrade I was coming out of a 1998 car to a 2005 car. btw you talking about stock for stock lol none of my cars have ever stayed stock. and your comment about the new 5.0 yeah there nice but they wernt out when i bought my gt, but anyway my car is faster than the new 5.0 just remember you can make any car fast lil man. who cares about stock numbers its about the car you like.
@nola504boy1 fucking idiot, so all your mods and money you spent in your S197 will still only run with a bolt on LS1+cam. LS motors LOVE mods unlike the 4.6 3v. H/C/I S197 puts down about the same power as a LS1 with exhaust and tune only. Sounds like a stupid ass trade if you ask me.
@cozzey05 lmao your mad because I sold my 98 ls1 for a brand new 05 mustang at the time lmao! dude fuck you I wanted a new car I dont keep cars long. Like I said you can make any car fast dick head. my mustang runs 10's all day long, but ive had my mustang for almost 7 years now its time for my z06 now. Im not a chevy or ford guys unlike stupid assholes like yourself. im looking at a 09 z06 vette that im trying to buy now. btw dont reply anymore go kill yourself fan boy!!
@nola504boy1 you stupid fuck, everyone knows you're not running 10's with 125 shot on your Mustang. Just shut the fuck up son. Just like your comment about this guy not having spray. Everyone knows you're just talking out of your ass. Post some videos of the 10 second 1/4 miles you keep talking about.
@cozzey05 fuck you pussy! if you know any thing about s197 you would see with full bolt ons cams and 125 shot what there running. you dumb internet asshole do you even own a car lol!!!!!
@cozzey05 fuck your videos FAN BOY its assholes like you that give ls1 drivers such a bad rep with your there nothing that can beat a ls1 bullshit. BTW GET OFF MY DICK STOP TALKING TO ME GO DRIVE YOUR FAST LS1 THAT NOBODY CAN BEAT LOL
@nola504boy1 Honestly I'm a fan of anything that has power and potential. I'm sorry for being a dick about all this, its been a BAD week and I've been taking it out on you. I love my LS1 but I'd trade for an 03 Cobra in a heartbeat. Plenty of my friends have Mustangs and I cheer for them at the track just as much as I cheer for my Chevy friends. Look man I'm sorry for being a jackass and I do respect Mustangs. Even if you had a 95 Civic with a Vtec I'd still show some respect.
@ONECRAZYWILDPONY07 Mustang no way sprayed. I own a 06 GT with only a magnaflo exhaust system and I stomp trans ams. the only car that can beat me is a civic LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL NOT
@TVdinnerFTW ---i, among others, know this comment to be full of shit. plenty of videos and facts online to disprove this statement. not to mention that i witnessed a 05 4.6 with full exhaust, intake and tune put down only 305rwhp on the dyno.
@trunkisloud Ether your brain is playing tricks on you or you meant to say 4.0. My 4.6 is dyno'd at 386 HP to the wheels now, with headers, exhaust, and high flo cat. Still no CAI. A 100% stock 4.6 is rated around 303-309 HP.
@TVdinnerFTW for your car to be putting down 386HP to the wheels would mean that you have over 420 crank horsepower, which would be more than the new 5.0 mustang. For some reason I do not believe that your 4.6 is making more than 100HP over stock just from exhaust mods.
good god, some of you guys are fucking idiots, i'm a mustang guy (i have a 04 with a 100 shot) and trust me, the mustang needed the nitrous to win, i love ls1's too, they are a very respectable motor (ws6 is a bad ass car) you guys just need to take a chill pill and actually learn about cars instead of gobbling up the ford/chevy cock meat sandwich
@SuperMachOne I feel the same. I have a 98 ws6, but I also like mustangs or anything else that is cool. The whole "You drive brand X so you are a pussy" argument is stupid. And most of the people who make it are stupid themselves.
@SuperMachOne you're a idiot, trust me I have a 05gt with cai/tune 4;10's & 125 wet shot. even without me spraying i still beat SOME ls1's with no problem. my point is when I spray its nothing like this vid, trust me he didn't spray. maybe your new edge needs spray to win but not s197's. go do your research
@nola504boy1 i do know my research and a 05-09 mustang gt bolt on is not a drivers race with a bolt on ls1 unless the ls1 driver is horrible, without the right tires or suspension those tires are just gonna spin on a 100 shot and not give him the lead he should have
@SuperMachOne ok whatever you say lil man. I know what I do to ls1's with my s197 without spray, but some I have to spray. you can make any car fast. only thing im saying is that this guy didnt spray. I know im running a 125 wet shot I know.
@nola504boy1 LS1's are putting 310-320 at the wheels BONE STOCK and can trap 110, Bolt on LS1's can put down in the 360 range and can easily trap 115+. Its going to take more than bolt ons to make a s197 make that much power and get even CLOSE to trapping 115. Bolt on LS1's are beating 5.0's no problem, do you really think a bolt on 3v is on the 5.0's level especially from a roll?
I am a LS1 owner and us who know anything about LS1's they will not trap 110+ stock. Yes the rustang was spraying there is no 4.6 stock that will hold with a LS!
@Microbombs I too have a LS1 and yes on a cold day some stock LS1's have trapped 110. I thought by now everyone has witnessed the bone stock LS1 run 12.69 @ 110 with only dr's. Yes it was probably a cold day but it did happen and still does. My auto WS6 ran 13.2 all day whenever she was stock with street tires. Pulling 1.9 60 ft and trapping 108. How is it that hard to believe that the M6 wouldn't be able to hit 110. I'm not saying every LS1 can but some do.
@oscars302 lol you obviously watch to much 2 fast 2 furious..lights dont look like lines nad your spray doesnt make u throw ur head into the back of ur headrest. lol
@NorthernMoose The new 5.0 smokes cars that are virtually unchanged from the previous model year. What an obvious statement. Once Chevy changes up the SS, it'll be better yet again. The SS/Z28's have always smoked comparable Mustangs, and always will.
@blackstang2003 the the SRT-8 challenger and SS camaro must be piles of shit becuz the 2010 gt beat them all out in the Car&Driver road test.... you are right about the 2011's tho... ford knows it too... 36k lol
@stangster44 what my dad has a ss and he beat a fuck GT that pisses me off when people say shit like that u drive a GT and race a camaro and see if yo lungs dont be full of tire smoke
@stangster44 how am i a retart you said that and i think all 3 cars are cool there no better one theres no worse if its american its ok retart learn yo shit and grow up young man
@390fusion learn my shit? you even know what the car&driver test is? it doesn't test just for "coolness" bud. It test driving, speed, handling, breaking, all that stuff. Mustang was the better car... by the way its retard, not retart son.
@lHustonProductionsl i freaking hope so... i Love Ford.. but i hate they apparently don't believe in the old saying of there's no replacement, for displacement... Bring back the 460 and make it aluminum lol that'll never happen. I wish they'd make a DOHC version of the new 6.2L SOHC for their upcoming new gas truck motor. At least it's about a 375 or so in cubes
@lHustonProductionsl yep.. this is true... I'm even a Ford fan... but for some reason they won't build a good big motor... they just make the little motors... I'm happy about them finally getting something right and making the new 5.0 at least put out a good amount of hp, but i'd rather they use ohv and more cubes. oh well
@steelstrings1312 yea and a 100 whp translates into around 2 grand in mods give or take...any car will beat another if it simply a faster car...barring bad driving...that would be like racing a minivan against a corvette and then being all pissed u lost to the vette....stock for stock a 4th gen w-body car will run with all gt mustangs (well not the coyote 5.0) and usually win if the driver is good...and thats the point...bein the better driver.
what eva you fightin ova.. i dont give a fuck.. ws6 looks badass and dont see em around anymore.. not as much.. and i drive from norcal to sac and the bay.. they out there... but i see stangs and z28 all tha time,
Regarding the Coyote, its putting more to the ground than the LS3 Camaro. See the Livernois vids for evidence.
It's an impressive engine for 2011, but the Mach and 03 Cobra were impressive for 2003, and the LS1 was impressive up until 2002. Time marches on, but Ford has stuck to their guns and it has paid off and has been paying off.
PS, Ford has been offering 400 HP w/o an SC for years in Australia. :)
@LieKiller It's nice to see the coyote underrated. It's prolly around 440 or more according to dynos. Camaro hits the rated 415. Honestly I love the new Camaro and Mustang, but GM did an injustice to the Camaro by bringing it back so damn heavy. Came back w/ 400 lbs of I guess safety equip and maybe IRS. The 2011 5.0 is prolly the first Mustang past 1970 worth having on my list.
...short on potential and modability. Another good comparison would be the FPV Boss 315 (5.4 4V N/A) versus the HSV 6.2 LS3. The 5.4 puts more horsepower and torque to the ground stock for stock.
Another comparison would be FIA GT3, where 5.0L Ford Cammers (n/a) are beating up on LS7Rs. See the 2009 GT3 season results for evidence.
Dalemllns you're way to high on yourself and your Bullit. Wow you beat lt fbodies....but in no way did you pull in the "fire pigeon" vid, and for 3 straight races you got pwned by a relatively unmodded Formula. The minute you quit bullying LTs and start hangin with LS cars I'll believe you on your car or your delusions about it. And FYI GM built the LS1 with heads similar to a Ford design, nothing else is remotely close...and firing order is a moot point. Don't skew facts with Ford fanboy stuff.
I romped all over a '09' Mustang GT with intake exhaust and tune in my stock '01' WS6 last sunday... Rolling start 60-150mph. I pulled ahead around 110mph. He had to shift before I did and the LS1 5.7l is just too much for a stang
@criefus I would like to get at your car where live I got a 4.6 thats enough for your 5.7.........hope you can run 11's........stock with exhuast and tune.
@criefus you better watch a couple of my vids....I slaughter F-bodies all the time...with no emblems its a bullitt...and the rims are 20's..heaven forbid I bolt on some draglites w/ MT ET streets omg I may have to pull over and give them a chance. watch my vid b vs fire peigion he has LS2 heads, 114 LSA cam, 4500stall , LT's and blah blah blah... I pulled him at about 110 a fender in a stock mustang 4.6 lmao I havnt been west but I always wanted to see another desert here and not 10k miles away
@dalemllns I watched... But I have to say I'm pretty sure you don't stand a chance. WS6 for the win. Your pony is hot as hell though and it looks fast, but watch out for those WS6s.... You should stick with beating the ricers and crappy Z28s haha... I'll post a vid soon, I just got the T/A in March
@thefleckster71 He meant it literally took a decade ie 10 years to catch up. It took 10 years to build a mustang that can run with 10 year old GM Technology.
@DarknightOTC just some info for ya...the LS engine is a ford design.....it and the modular were designed by ford and ford elected the modular to replace the 302. Then sold the rights of the "LS" engine to the general. Dont beleive me? look it up...the firing order is exactly the same as a 5.0 HO. Ford had the technology but sold it (which is why they didnt need a gov't bail out like the general)..put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
@dalemllns I'm not sure what Mustang forums you've been reading, but only supporting evidence you'll find about your "theory" is there were some Ford engineers that came over to GM during the time they developed the LS engine. The LS engine apparently was the better choice considering there have been more of them swapped into vehicles than Ford could ever imagine. The after-market is much more receptive of it as well. Firing order doesn't mean anything. Ford started making better cars=No Bailout
@DarknightOTC no forums, I actually read that in a chevy high performance magazine years ago...and yeah there were some engineers involved. And the after market has always been good for mustangs..there are companies that only sell mustang parts. Just tell me this... (the new 5.0 helps) if ford had made the modular say a 351ci instead of a 281ci all those years ago would the LS engine really be so tough. GM guys never want to admit that the mod motor is good. 400+hp now on 302ci.... vs 377 6.0?
@dalemllns Ford has always had the 5.4 available so I really don't see how a 351 would have made a difference. LSx is still tough regardless. They can be build to withstand high hp for less money. The LSx has a huge following no doubt. I'm not going to get into a Cu Inch war. The fact is regardless of the "size", the weight of the engine is still less than a Mod motor. The gas mileage is the same or better in most cases yet no extra cams. Currently Ford doesn't make a very good point for DOHC.
@DarknightOTC We were talking SOHC..... LS cars dont want none of any 03-04 cobra or GT500.... let alone if it has some tunning done. We were talking 281 vs 350+ci but whatever. My 4.6 currently sports CNC Ported heads, Cams, Intake and a few other bolt ons... I will post a more current vid later and let you watch that one...the reads LSXASSN......
@dalemllns LS cars include Vettes. A stock C6 6.2 could take anything you just mentioned. For every bit of tuning or engine work you could do the same on the LS engine for less. This could be an endless argument. I'll just say I prefer a WS6 sportin' an LS engine.
@DarknightOTC I have raced and beat a C6 with the LS3 and a 6spd.... I like the WS6 but its the same a any Z28 or trans am just has better handling and Ram Air and is a real performer.....I'll just say that when I die and they do an autopsy...the runnin Horse will be on my heart ;)
@DarknightOTC Well obviously the C6 didn't have a tune, but nonetheless everyone will eventually run into a faster car that will beat them. Nowadays it's getting more and more common to see 700+ hp LS cars. Caddys, Vettes, Trucks, etc. There's some pretty wicked Z06s in town here as well so. As long as your in a Mustang and looking for a fight you'll eventually find a car that will take you down no matter how much pride you have.
@DarknightOTC Spoken like a true spin doctor, you should get a job for the Democrats then make the rounds on Fox news. Facts, what facts? Pushrods rule, look, the engine is smaller. BSFC? What's that? I just know what's on the window sticker. Clearly the LSx was touched by the hand of God, Al Gore said so.
@LieKiller I never said they are superior. Dollar for Dollar they are better imo, but that's my opinion. DOHC can be great unfortunately some companies just don't show it. Until recently stock V8 powerplants from Ford have been pretty average. Every time they make a muscle/super car it involves forced induction. All that weight adds up. A good comparison would be the 5.4sc in the GT500 vs the LS7. The weight difference in the engine alone is ridiculous. DOHC+SC vs. Pushrod NA.
@DarknightOTC A good example of DOHC/OHV is Mach 1 & 98+ Z28/SS. Despite the Mach being down by 65 cubic inch and the cars weighing roughly the same, the Mach is all over the LS1. The LS1 doesn't even manage to exceed the Mach's peak rwTQ by much.
GM's first stab at a "super car" (ZR1) involved forced induction. You are comparing an iron block DOHC 5.4 to an all aluminum LS7. A better comparison would the Ford GT 5.4 vs the LS7, but admittedly the LS7 is still lighter, but falls way...
@LieKiller I'm primarily comparing engines, but comparing the Mach 1 which arrived the year after the end of production of the F-Bodies doesn't make much sense either. The LS1 introduced in 97 compared a updated design in 2003. I could compare the LS6 to it as well since it was introduced during the same time. The Ford GT 5.4 has a SC plus DOHC extra weight. It makes only 45 more hp and 30 ft/lbs of tq more. At the same time is less fuel efficient than the LS7.
@DarknightOTC You're kidding yourself if you are going by manufacturer outputs on the FGT 5.4 and the LS7. FGT's make between 525 - 545 rwhp (SAE) to the LS7's 430-450 rwhp (SAE). Not even close. And regarding modability, stock FGT LONGblocks can take 1,200 rwhp, and will break 650 rwhp with nothing but a pulley swap and a tune.
And I hope the LS7 would be more fuel efficient, being that it is in a lighter car making ~100 HP less. Regarding fuel efficiency of an engine BSFC figures...
@LieKiller So i'm not seeing how the FGT 5.4 compares to the LS7 it should be compared to the LS9 if anything. If BSFC figures are always better on the Ford then I guess they like to choose bloated cars and bad gear ratios? All the years of 5 spds instead of 6 spds like Fbodies. It took years for the MODs to get the low end grunt that the LS1 and even LT1 had. 5.0 Coyote is the first promising NA Ford engine I've seen. Finally touching 400hp w/ no SC from the factory. Welcome to the club!
@DarknightOTC It can be compared to the LS9, but I haven't seen anything particularly impressive from the LS9 so the comparison is really moot. :shrug:
Ford GT - two standing mile world records, 1500 rwhp street builds, 2500 rwhp race builds (albeit not in the FGT chassis), the LS9 dynos virtually the same numbers stock for stock but hasn't improved one lick to the minor bolt on performance Ford offered 5 years earlier.
@LieKiller There really isn't any point modifying the LS9 in a ZR1. Mostly collector cars. Most would rather build up off an LSX block in a more affordable car. Besides that LS9 has only been on the market so long. Obviously there are easy hp upgrades from the SC on the LS9 already to get into the low 700s. Super high hp is where DOHC shines, but for us everyday ppl that aren't going over 700 or 800 hp i see no clear cut advantage. Costly to get that much power from anything.
@DarknightOTC ...are all that matters. Once the engine is installed in a car, variances in gearing, aerodynamics, mechanical drag and factory tuning matter as much or more to the window sticker than what's under the hood. The 4.6 actually has better BSFC numbers than the LS1. Doubt me? Buy engine simulator software.
LS6 is hardly comparable to the Mach 1 4.6. The 4.6 doesn't have titanium rods, sodium filled valves and other exotic parts. The cylinder heads do flow more...
@DarknightOTC ....despite the smaller cylinder bores and smaller volume intake ports. The Mach heads actually outflow all of the factory cathedral ports stock for stock, 241 or 243s. :)
@LieKiller Any way you slice it from 93-02 (4th G) F-Bodies stomped all over Mustangs in those same years whether your comparing the LS1, LT1 or even V6s. 0-60Mph, 1/4 Mile, Skidpad, Track times. I remember reading the article in MT in 2003 when they put the new 390hp Cobra up against the 02 TA WS6 and how despite more power the TA still had the best lap times every time. I'm just not impressed. For an example. 2003 Mach 1 0-60 (5.6) 1/4 (13.2) while 2000 TA WS6 managed 0-60 (5.0) 1/4 (13.4).
@justduck1313 yea but the mustangs still suck the guy sprayed and the t-tops were off, making it have a lot more drag, if he had the t-tops off the ws6 would have smoked it
he didnt spray it he just beat your ass its funny how when someone loses the first thing they say is he sprayed it. and you call it NOS. NOS is brand of nitrous oxide....see you didnt even know that did you?
My bolt-on LS1 T/A WS6 w/ headers,T-tops off Vs. A Mustang GT with a 100 shot of NOS/bolt-ons. Yes he sprays. Have you ever raced with the t-tops off at high speeds lol it feels like the ass end of you car is floating so just imagine how much drag that is making and o yea HE IS SPRAYING A 100 SHOT and the mustang won by maybe a car. Both fast cars and the mustang did look very sharp just not enough go for a 100 shot IMO but modular engines dont respond to nitrous as well as a LS1/pushrod engine.
@AnthonyMorrow1982 BULLSHIT ! there isnt a stock trans am any year running 12.8 all stock you liar.I ve owned six trans ams and i love them but they dont run 12 s in any quarter mile drag except the ones you make up!
im no genius on cars or anything.. but it didnt look to me like the gt sprayed. maybe the ws6 is pissed he got beat by an over-rated gt and made up an excuse. seems to me like neither owners knew each other, cause i didnt hear anybody honk, they just took off.
again, not trying to start shit, im just giving my opinion. and yes i am a mustang guy and forever will be. 1 day i will have my 2004 cobra, but i definitely have respect for T/A's and camaros
@speeddemon0712 The Mustang had to spray. How do I know? Because I drive a WS6 Trans Am and I waste these cars all the time. He sprayed. He didn't sound like he had a cam, he didn't have a blowoff valve, a whine from a pulley, he sprayed. You really aren't a genius on cars at all. Thats why you think he didn't spray.
@speeddemon0712 You really can't tell when somebody sprays on you, flames don't shoot out the back, and the car doesn't go into "Hyper speed" or something like that.
that mustang is not spraying, bs on the guy who posted. i have an intake, tune and exhaust on an 05 automatic gt and i am running consistant 12.80s trapping 108 each time. I assume this car has about the same mods as me, cuz thats wut it looks like when i run ws6 with an exhaust. That car spraying would be outttt. stock for stock, ws6 wins, their high end is too much for the 4.6 when stock.
My WS6 runs 12.7 @ 111 on street tires and stock gears, only mods are magnaflow catback and ory pipe. I've never had a 4.6 pull me on top end with full exhaust and a few bolt ons
@sinisterseven8 depends where he lives.... if hes at sea level its possible to dip into the high 12's. here in high elevation utah a stock ws6 runs a 13.5 but he could aslo be a butt fucking liar ;)
i also live in utah and my bud has a 2001 ws6 i have never seen him run faster then 13.9.. i think ur talkin sea level with that 13.5 high 12's would be un realistic imo
teach the mustang owner how to roll race. you're supposed to be BESIDE the car you're racing, not infront of it. it's funny the mustang won by a car length, but he started a car length ahead
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GKDSoldier 5 months ago
I guarantee he didnt spray unless the TA has mods not posted. I guess the LS1's im beating the hell out of in my lil bitty 98 GT with regular boltons and a NX plate 150 shot just dont know how to drive :( lol
rolex9582 6 months ago
I have an 98 t/a with just a catback. (338 HP) and I beat an
06 gt with nos 100 boost. And I had another person in the car.
danidman32 7 months ago
@danidman32 Bullshit.An 05 gt with just spray hits 12 s in the quarter your t/a is no where near that.
camirocz 5 months ago
@danidman32 he only had 8 pounds boost
danidman32 5 months ago
Somebody please look at my 07 gt with bolt ons beat a c5 ls1 corvette, yes its stock but I pulled on it hard as fuck, guess what, its an ls1 in a lighter car than an fbody. The gt wasnt spraying....
liljuicedcoupe2007 7 months ago
Wow! Hey winnin is winnin and loosen is loosin. Line the exact same cars up and just see who the best driver is lol that'll settle it. Lining 2 different types of cars with 2 different pwr to weight ratios is cheating not just nitrous. People kill me. Just have fun
Jake98Cob 7 months ago
if the stang is gonna cheat with spray then cam that damn ls1. haha
cstritz 7 months ago
@cstritz I agree with what you're saying but nitrous isnt really cheating, especially sense that t/a has more cubes under the hood.
Sk8FalIen 7 months ago
@Sk8FalIen i consider it cheating if you want a fair comparison of which car is faster. I mean if the stang had internal work done instead of spray, then fine, that would still be comparing what car was faster at the time with how each was built. Throwing a 100 shot on a stock car is a cheap way out and doesnt actually make the engine itself any stronger - it just puts more ponies down to the pavement. Its an additive and not a part of the actual car so i dont think it should be used in races.
cstritz 7 months ago
I dont, that is why the ls1 is better.
TheEdrooney 9 months ago
My GT pulls like that with a few bolt ons, no way that GT sprayed unless it was like a 50 shot
leadsailz 9 months ago
@leadsailz agreed....a WS6 with a passenger and just a set of headers is nothing super fast...a stock 05+ GT w/ a 100 shot would pull the WS6 harder than the one in this vid
yonkersracing 9 months ago
Ok, the mustang kicked that GM piece of shits ass, lets leave it at that. Spray or not, it still won. I have a 98 cobra with a 100 shot of spray, sct tune, bbk o/r x pipe, slp lm1s, k&n CAI, full msd race ignition, 3.73 rear end and a stage 2 KC clutch with a steeda short throw shifter and have yet to see a comaro, trans am, and some corvettes beat me. P.S. I have a vortech in my garage in a box waiting to be put on:P ... I said guud day
Vagpatrol 10 months ago
he didnt spray you just got your ass beat!!
nola504boy1 11 months ago
@nola504boy1 its going to take spray or boost for a 3v to beat a bolt on LS1, LS1 has more power less weight
cozzey05 10 months ago
@cozzey05 you dont know shit about s197's do you
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 you don't know shit about LS1's do you
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05 to be honest I be there and done that had a 98 ss(ls1) and I loved the car when I had it. but now im on to something a lil better.
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 by getting a S197? I could understand if you picked up the new 5.0 but why say a S197 is better when stock for stock the LS1 straight up owns the S197. LS1's are putting more down at the wheels bone stock then they have at the crank son.
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05 dude wake up please!! when I said I was ready for a upgrade I was coming out of a 1998 car to a 2005 car. btw you talking about stock for stock lol none of my cars have ever stayed stock. and your comment about the new 5.0 yeah there nice but they wernt out when i bought my gt, but anyway my car is faster than the new 5.0 just remember you can make any car fast lil man. who cares about stock numbers its about the car you like.
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 fucking idiot, so all your mods and money you spent in your S197 will still only run with a bolt on LS1+cam. LS motors LOVE mods unlike the 4.6 3v. H/C/I S197 puts down about the same power as a LS1 with exhaust and tune only. Sounds like a stupid ass trade if you ask me.
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05 lmao your mad because I sold my 98 ls1 for a brand new 05 mustang at the time lmao! dude fuck you I wanted a new car I dont keep cars long. Like I said you can make any car fast dick head. my mustang runs 10's all day long, but ive had my mustang for almost 7 years now its time for my z06 now. Im not a chevy or ford guys unlike stupid assholes like yourself. im looking at a 09 z06 vette that im trying to buy now. btw dont reply anymore go kill yourself fan boy!!
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 you stupid fuck, everyone knows you're not running 10's with 125 shot on your Mustang. Just shut the fuck up son. Just like your comment about this guy not having spray. Everyone knows you're just talking out of your ass. Post some videos of the 10 second 1/4 miles you keep talking about.
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05 fuck you pussy! if you know any thing about s197 you would see with full bolt ons cams and 125 shot what there running. you dumb internet asshole do you even own a car lol!!!!!
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 check my videos dumbass, i take my shit to the track and have videos to back it up...unlike your punk bitch videos.
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05 fuck your videos FAN BOY its assholes like you that give ls1 drivers such a bad rep with your there nothing that can beat a ls1 bullshit. BTW GET OFF MY DICK STOP TALKING TO ME GO DRIVE YOUR FAST LS1 THAT NOBODY CAN BEAT LOL
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 Honestly I'm a fan of anything that has power and potential. I'm sorry for being a dick about all this, its been a BAD week and I've been taking it out on you. I love my LS1 but I'd trade for an 03 Cobra in a heartbeat. Plenty of my friends have Mustangs and I cheer for them at the track just as much as I cheer for my Chevy friends. Look man I'm sorry for being a jackass and I do respect Mustangs. Even if you had a 95 Civic with a Vtec I'd still show some respect.
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05 Your rite the LS1 is a better motor, but you should stop calling people son, you sound like a joke.
TheEdrooney 9 months ago
@TheEdrooney well how can someone honestly expect a S197 to actually pull a bolt on LS1 like that without spray or boost
cozzey05 9 months ago
that mustang is not on spray my friend
mstang94 11 months ago
i have an 02 stang gt but honestly im not a ford guy i like anything that hauls ass
nativeprideonmine 11 months ago
What model calculator did you use to film this footage?
spannerpro 11 months ago
imagine if the firebird wouldnt have had a passenger. but the again the mustang coulda too. still not bad for the bird...
kief4diamonds 11 months ago
Dissregaed post
GlockRtf 1 year ago
I know the guy in the mustang he doesn't have nos I'm pretty sure his car is stock except his loud ass exhaust, this is Vegas
GlockRtf 1 year ago
No spray on the GT, he just gave u an old fashion whoopin.
then u gotta go say he's sprayin. Comon man. dont be a sore looser.
bulldog190 1 year ago
I like mustangs, i like firebirds, and i like camaros. They're all sexy :). Now what i don't like.. is hondas..
jokerman93 1 year ago 50
@jokerman93 same as me
80v8camaro 1 year ago
I don't think the mustang sprayed
ONECRAZYWILDPONY07 1 year ago 21
@ONECRAZYWILDPONY07 Mustang no way sprayed. I own a 06 GT with only a magnaflo exhaust system and I stomp trans ams. the only car that can beat me is a civic LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL NOT
TVdinnerFTW 1 year ago
@TVdinnerFTW lolol
quickestwhiteboy 1 year ago
@TVdinnerFTW my car can beat ur 06 gt... (04terminator04)
cosmo0223 1 year ago
@cosmo0223 If you mean that as in SVT then yes posably.
TVdinnerFTW 1 year ago
@TVdinnerFTW ---i, among others, know this comment to be full of shit. plenty of videos and facts online to disprove this statement. not to mention that i witnessed a 05 4.6 with full exhaust, intake and tune put down only 305rwhp on the dyno.
trunkisloud 1 year ago
@trunkisloud Ether your brain is playing tricks on you or you meant to say 4.0. My 4.6 is dyno'd at 386 HP to the wheels now, with headers, exhaust, and high flo cat. Still no CAI. A 100% stock 4.6 is rated around 303-309 HP.
For the 05-09 models.
TVdinnerFTW 1 year ago
@TVdinnerFTW for your car to be putting down 386HP to the wheels would mean that you have over 420 crank horsepower, which would be more than the new 5.0 mustang. For some reason I do not believe that your 4.6 is making more than 100HP over stock just from exhaust mods.
bearclaw1991 11 months ago
@bearclaw1991 its tuned obv with a cai. and full exhaust. and i dyno around 418 hp. and believe it or not the stock 5.0's dyno around 435.
TVdinnerFTW 8 months ago
@TVdinnerFTW stock the new 5.0 make 363rwhp and 331TQ to the rear wheels
branman50314 7 months ago
@ONECRAZYWILDPONY07 yea it did you can tell by the little jerking motion right after they both opened up
tyler62292 6 months ago
mustang looks horrible with the fats n skinnies on it.
XxBlksnshnxX 1 year ago
good god, some of you guys are fucking idiots, i'm a mustang guy (i have a 04 with a 100 shot) and trust me, the mustang needed the nitrous to win, i love ls1's too, they are a very respectable motor (ws6 is a bad ass car) you guys just need to take a chill pill and actually learn about cars instead of gobbling up the ford/chevy cock meat sandwich
SuperMachOne 1 year ago
@SuperMachOne I feel the same. I have a 98 ws6, but I also like mustangs or anything else that is cool. The whole "You drive brand X so you are a pussy" argument is stupid. And most of the people who make it are stupid themselves.
XxBlksnshnxX 1 year ago
@SuperMachOne you're a idiot, trust me I have a 05gt with cai/tune 4;10's & 125 wet shot. even without me spraying i still beat SOME ls1's with no problem. my point is when I spray its nothing like this vid, trust me he didn't spray. maybe your new edge needs spray to win but not s197's. go do your research
nola504boy1 10 months ago
@nola504boy1 i do know my research and a 05-09 mustang gt bolt on is not a drivers race with a bolt on ls1 unless the ls1 driver is horrible, without the right tires or suspension those tires are just gonna spin on a 100 shot and not give him the lead he should have
SuperMachOne 10 months ago
@SuperMachOne ok whatever you say lil man. I know what I do to ls1's with my s197 without spray, but some I have to spray. you can make any car fast. only thing im saying is that this guy didnt spray. I know im running a 125 wet shot I know.
nola504boy1 9 months ago
@nola504boy1 LS1's are putting 310-320 at the wheels BONE STOCK and can trap 110, Bolt on LS1's can put down in the 360 range and can easily trap 115+. Its going to take more than bolt ons to make a s197 make that much power and get even CLOSE to trapping 115. Bolt on LS1's are beating 5.0's no problem, do you really think a bolt on 3v is on the 5.0's level especially from a roll?
cozzey05 9 months ago
@cozzey05
I am a LS1 owner and us who know anything about LS1's they will not trap 110+ stock. Yes the rustang was spraying there is no 4.6 stock that will hold with a LS!
Microbombs 9 months ago
@Microbombs I too have a LS1 and yes on a cold day some stock LS1's have trapped 110. I thought by now everyone has witnessed the bone stock LS1 run 12.69 @ 110 with only dr's. Yes it was probably a cold day but it did happen and still does. My auto WS6 ran 13.2 all day whenever she was stock with street tires. Pulling 1.9 60 ft and trapping 108. How is it that hard to believe that the M6 wouldn't be able to hit 110. I'm not saying every LS1 can but some do.
cozzey05 9 months ago
fuck you fags who dont like mustangs
blitzngooch 1 year ago
i didnt see him purge it??? i you cuz your ta is slowcall bull shit i think he just beat
2008cobra1 1 year ago
nos=fake hp
oasis1242 1 year ago
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Ricetastesdelicious 1 year ago
@oasis1242 So true, lots of Chevy guys use it
lmorrow4 1 year ago
@lmorrow4 hehehehe...nice one
oasis1242 1 year ago
piece of shit mustang for real only pussys drive them
SuperSillybilly90 1 year ago
@SuperSillybilly90 then why your pussy t/a lose
SHTINONCHEVY 1 year ago
@SHTINONCHEVY The GT was obviously more modified, duh.
carguyfrom1984 1 year ago
@SuperSillybilly90 Ha, only little girls play with ponies.
carguyfrom1984 1 year ago
ur trans am was just to slow haha no spray
sosotightt 1 year ago
american muscle ☺
joe69rocket 1 year ago
ur dumb if u think he was spraying ahaha
oscars302 1 year ago
@oscars302 lol you obviously watch to much 2 fast 2 furious..lights dont look like lines nad your spray doesnt make u throw ur head into the back of ur headrest. lol
idkhedidit 1 year ago
LOL i laughed so hard when i saw that huge SUV pass you guys
pirateben09 1 year ago
the new 5.0L smokes the ss and srt8 in every department.
NorthernMoose 1 year ago
@NorthernMoose Including price ;)
cmigneco 1 year ago
@NorthernMoose The new 5.0 smokes cars that are virtually unchanged from the previous model year. What an obvious statement. Once Chevy changes up the SS, it'll be better yet again. The SS/Z28's have always smoked comparable Mustangs, and always will.
scurvyike 1 year ago
@scurvyike The mustang always out sells the camaro and ultimately that's what counts... So ford must be doing something right.
NorthernMoose 1 year ago
@scurvyike Only from 93-02.
iceguy2003 1 year ago
100 shot to win? all the 90s-2010 gt's are garbage. i had an 03 bolt on gt and was sadly disappointed....the new 2011 gt is a bad mofo though
blackstang2003 1 year ago
@blackstang2003 the the SRT-8 challenger and SS camaro must be piles of shit becuz the 2010 gt beat them all out in the Car&Driver road test.... you are right about the 2011's tho... ford knows it too... 36k lol
stangster44 1 year ago
@stangster44 what my dad has a ss and he beat a fuck GT that pisses me off when people say shit like that u drive a GT and race a camaro and see if yo lungs dont be full of tire smoke
390fusion 1 year ago
@390fusion im not talkn about a drag race retard... im talkn about all around car...
stangster44 1 year ago
@stangster44 how am i a retart you said that and i think all 3 cars are cool there no better one theres no worse if its american its ok retart learn yo shit and grow up young man
390fusion 1 year ago
@390fusion learn my shit? you even know what the car&driver test is? it doesn't test just for "coolness" bud. It test driving, speed, handling, breaking, all that stuff. Mustang was the better car... by the way its retard, not retart son.
stangster44 1 year ago
@stangster44 w.e im not about to start no shit over a car but thanks for spelling retard the right was for me retard
390fusion 1 year ago
@390fusion hard to start shit when its over facts... but your welcome retard
stangster44 1 year ago
@lHustonProductionsl i freaking hope so... i Love Ford.. but i hate they apparently don't believe in the old saying of there's no replacement, for displacement... Bring back the 460 and make it aluminum lol that'll never happen. I wish they'd make a DOHC version of the new 6.2L SOHC for their upcoming new gas truck motor. At least it's about a 375 or so in cubes
302Travis 1 year ago
@lHustonProductionsl yep.. this is true... I'm even a Ford fan... but for some reason they won't build a good big motor... they just make the little motors... I'm happy about them finally getting something right and making the new 5.0 at least put out a good amount of hp, but i'd rather they use ohv and more cubes. oh well
302Travis 1 year ago
That was horse shit the mustang was ahead of him before they even started
rmzrider693 1 year ago
at the end of the day, the mustang wins because that pretty much says that with 100 more horsepower in tune and bolt ons, it would win without nos
steelstrings1312 1 year ago
@steelstrings1312 yea and a 100 whp translates into around 2 grand in mods give or take...any car will beat another if it simply a faster car...barring bad driving...that would be like racing a minivan against a corvette and then being all pissed u lost to the vette....stock for stock a 4th gen w-body car will run with all gt mustangs (well not the coyote 5.0) and usually win if the driver is good...and thats the point...bein the better driver.
cordova821 1 year ago
with a 4.6
RicanPusher 1 year ago
ahaha another one for ford!!!!:)
twinturbocobra04 1 year ago
what eva you fightin ova.. i dont give a fuck.. ws6 looks badass and dont see em around anymore.. not as much.. and i drive from norcal to sac and the bay.. they out there... but i see stangs and z28 all tha time,
GlasspipeDreameR 1 year ago
@GlasspipeDreameR go back to school and learn how to write/speak correctly please.
steelstrings1312 1 year ago
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GlasspipeDreameR 1 year ago
@steelstrings1312. for some hick or redneck.. you know alot..
GlasspipeDreameR 1 year ago
@GlasspipeDreameR yeah lol. you can learn a lot when you actually pay attention in school
steelstrings1312 1 year ago
Regarding the Coyote, its putting more to the ground than the LS3 Camaro. See the Livernois vids for evidence.
It's an impressive engine for 2011, but the Mach and 03 Cobra were impressive for 2003, and the LS1 was impressive up until 2002. Time marches on, but Ford has stuck to their guns and it has paid off and has been paying off.
PS, Ford has been offering 400 HP w/o an SC for years in Australia. :)
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller It's nice to see the coyote underrated. It's prolly around 440 or more according to dynos. Camaro hits the rated 415. Honestly I love the new Camaro and Mustang, but GM did an injustice to the Camaro by bringing it back so damn heavy. Came back w/ 400 lbs of I guess safety equip and maybe IRS. The 2011 5.0 is prolly the first Mustang past 1970 worth having on my list.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
That GT has alot more than just a 100shot bud.
AdrenalineJunky17 1 year ago
...short on potential and modability. Another good comparison would be the FPV Boss 315 (5.4 4V N/A) versus the HSV 6.2 LS3. The 5.4 puts more horsepower and torque to the ground stock for stock.
Another comparison would be FIA GT3, where 5.0L Ford Cammers (n/a) are beating up on LS7Rs. See the 2009 GT3 season results for evidence.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@elrances running 12.5 in the quater with just a custom tune on street tires, yeah ur right weak and slow fan boy
mazda6tuner99 1 year ago
you got sckooled
teatimeatgodshouse 1 year ago
That must be a pretty weak shot of NO2.
Fuckotherbiffjacobs 1 year ago
love mustangs,, cant wait to see the 2011's racing
mazda6tuner99 1 year ago
Dalemllns you're way to high on yourself and your Bullit. Wow you beat lt fbodies....but in no way did you pull in the "fire pigeon" vid, and for 3 straight races you got pwned by a relatively unmodded Formula. The minute you quit bullying LTs and start hangin with LS cars I'll believe you on your car or your delusions about it. And FYI GM built the LS1 with heads similar to a Ford design, nothing else is remotely close...and firing order is a moot point. Don't skew facts with Ford fanboy stuff.
yeti8102 1 year ago
I romped all over a '09' Mustang GT with intake exhaust and tune in my stock '01' WS6 last sunday... Rolling start 60-150mph. I pulled ahead around 110mph. He had to shift before I did and the LS1 5.7l is just too much for a stang
criefus 1 year ago
@criefus I would like to get at your car where live I got a 4.6 thats enough for your 5.7.........hope you can run 11's........stock with exhuast and tune.
dalemllns 1 year ago
@dalemllns If you ever find yourself in Reno Nv look me up, I'd be happy to take your emblem, or your rims.....
criefus 1 year ago
@criefus you better watch a couple of my vids....I slaughter F-bodies all the time...with no emblems its a bullitt...and the rims are 20's..heaven forbid I bolt on some draglites w/ MT ET streets omg I may have to pull over and give them a chance. watch my vid b vs fire peigion he has LS2 heads, 114 LSA cam, 4500stall , LT's and blah blah blah... I pulled him at about 110 a fender in a stock mustang 4.6 lmao I havnt been west but I always wanted to see another desert here and not 10k miles away
dalemllns 1 year ago
@dalemllns I watched... But I have to say I'm pretty sure you don't stand a chance. WS6 for the win. Your pony is hot as hell though and it looks fast, but watch out for those WS6s.... You should stick with beating the ricers and crappy Z28s haha... I'll post a vid soon, I just got the T/A in March
criefus 1 year ago
Amazing how it took Ford a decade to catch up.
justduck1313 1 year ago
@justduck1313 the ford was the one up front you know a mustang is a ford right the one in the back was a ponitac trans am ws6
thefleckster71 1 year ago
@thefleckster71 He meant it literally took a decade ie 10 years to catch up. It took 10 years to build a mustang that can run with 10 year old GM Technology.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC just some info for ya...the LS engine is a ford design.....it and the modular were designed by ford and ford elected the modular to replace the 302. Then sold the rights of the "LS" engine to the general. Dont beleive me? look it up...the firing order is exactly the same as a 5.0 HO. Ford had the technology but sold it (which is why they didnt need a gov't bail out like the general)..put that in your pipe and smoke it ;)
dalemllns 1 year ago
@dalemllns I'm not sure what Mustang forums you've been reading, but only supporting evidence you'll find about your "theory" is there were some Ford engineers that came over to GM during the time they developed the LS engine. The LS engine apparently was the better choice considering there have been more of them swapped into vehicles than Ford could ever imagine. The after-market is much more receptive of it as well. Firing order doesn't mean anything. Ford started making better cars=No Bailout
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC no forums, I actually read that in a chevy high performance magazine years ago...and yeah there were some engineers involved. And the after market has always been good for mustangs..there are companies that only sell mustang parts. Just tell me this... (the new 5.0 helps) if ford had made the modular say a 351ci instead of a 281ci all those years ago would the LS engine really be so tough. GM guys never want to admit that the mod motor is good. 400+hp now on 302ci.... vs 377 6.0?
dalemllns 1 year ago
@dalemllns Ford has always had the 5.4 available so I really don't see how a 351 would have made a difference. LSx is still tough regardless. They can be build to withstand high hp for less money. The LSx has a huge following no doubt. I'm not going to get into a Cu Inch war. The fact is regardless of the "size", the weight of the engine is still less than a Mod motor. The gas mileage is the same or better in most cases yet no extra cams. Currently Ford doesn't make a very good point for DOHC.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC We were talking SOHC..... LS cars dont want none of any 03-04 cobra or GT500.... let alone if it has some tunning done. We were talking 281 vs 350+ci but whatever. My 4.6 currently sports CNC Ported heads, Cams, Intake and a few other bolt ons... I will post a more current vid later and let you watch that one...the reads LSXASSN......
dalemllns 1 year ago
@dalemllns LS cars include Vettes. A stock C6 6.2 could take anything you just mentioned. For every bit of tuning or engine work you could do the same on the LS engine for less. This could be an endless argument. I'll just say I prefer a WS6 sportin' an LS engine.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC I have raced and beat a C6 with the LS3 and a 6spd.... I like the WS6 but its the same a any Z28 or trans am just has better handling and Ram Air and is a real performer.....I'll just say that when I die and they do an autopsy...the runnin Horse will be on my heart ;)
dalemllns 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC Well obviously the C6 didn't have a tune, but nonetheless everyone will eventually run into a faster car that will beat them. Nowadays it's getting more and more common to see 700+ hp LS cars. Caddys, Vettes, Trucks, etc. There's some pretty wicked Z06s in town here as well so. As long as your in a Mustang and looking for a fight you'll eventually find a car that will take you down no matter how much pride you have.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC Spoken like a true spin doctor, you should get a job for the Democrats then make the rounds on Fox news. Facts, what facts? Pushrods rule, look, the engine is smaller. BSFC? What's that? I just know what's on the window sticker. Clearly the LSx was touched by the hand of God, Al Gore said so.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller WTF are you talking about? In all my posts, I was the one defending LSx engines. Please read again.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC Realize that my post was completely sarcastic in nature (after the first sentence) and read again.
Yes, I was making fun of your LSx "superiority" arguments, which is built entirely of straw men.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller I never said they are superior. Dollar for Dollar they are better imo, but that's my opinion. DOHC can be great unfortunately some companies just don't show it. Until recently stock V8 powerplants from Ford have been pretty average. Every time they make a muscle/super car it involves forced induction. All that weight adds up. A good comparison would be the 5.4sc in the GT500 vs the LS7. The weight difference in the engine alone is ridiculous. DOHC+SC vs. Pushrod NA.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC A good example of DOHC/OHV is Mach 1 & 98+ Z28/SS. Despite the Mach being down by 65 cubic inch and the cars weighing roughly the same, the Mach is all over the LS1. The LS1 doesn't even manage to exceed the Mach's peak rwTQ by much.
GM's first stab at a "super car" (ZR1) involved forced induction. You are comparing an iron block DOHC 5.4 to an all aluminum LS7. A better comparison would the Ford GT 5.4 vs the LS7, but admittedly the LS7 is still lighter, but falls way...
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller I'm primarily comparing engines, but comparing the Mach 1 which arrived the year after the end of production of the F-Bodies doesn't make much sense either. The LS1 introduced in 97 compared a updated design in 2003. I could compare the LS6 to it as well since it was introduced during the same time. The Ford GT 5.4 has a SC plus DOHC extra weight. It makes only 45 more hp and 30 ft/lbs of tq more. At the same time is less fuel efficient than the LS7.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC You're kidding yourself if you are going by manufacturer outputs on the FGT 5.4 and the LS7. FGT's make between 525 - 545 rwhp (SAE) to the LS7's 430-450 rwhp (SAE). Not even close. And regarding modability, stock FGT LONGblocks can take 1,200 rwhp, and will break 650 rwhp with nothing but a pulley swap and a tune.
And I hope the LS7 would be more fuel efficient, being that it is in a lighter car making ~100 HP less. Regarding fuel efficiency of an engine BSFC figures...
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller So i'm not seeing how the FGT 5.4 compares to the LS7 it should be compared to the LS9 if anything. If BSFC figures are always better on the Ford then I guess they like to choose bloated cars and bad gear ratios? All the years of 5 spds instead of 6 spds like Fbodies. It took years for the MODs to get the low end grunt that the LS1 and even LT1 had. 5.0 Coyote is the first promising NA Ford engine I've seen. Finally touching 400hp w/ no SC from the factory. Welcome to the club!
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC It can be compared to the LS9, but I haven't seen anything particularly impressive from the LS9 so the comparison is really moot. :shrug:
Ford GT - two standing mile world records, 1500 rwhp street builds, 2500 rwhp race builds (albeit not in the FGT chassis), the LS9 dynos virtually the same numbers stock for stock but hasn't improved one lick to the minor bolt on performance Ford offered 5 years earlier.
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller There really isn't any point modifying the LS9 in a ZR1. Mostly collector cars. Most would rather build up off an LSX block in a more affordable car. Besides that LS9 has only been on the market so long. Obviously there are easy hp upgrades from the SC on the LS9 already to get into the low 700s. Super high hp is where DOHC shines, but for us everyday ppl that aren't going over 700 or 800 hp i see no clear cut advantage. Costly to get that much power from anything.
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC ...are all that matters. Once the engine is installed in a car, variances in gearing, aerodynamics, mechanical drag and factory tuning matter as much or more to the window sticker than what's under the hood. The 4.6 actually has better BSFC numbers than the LS1. Doubt me? Buy engine simulator software.
LS6 is hardly comparable to the Mach 1 4.6. The 4.6 doesn't have titanium rods, sodium filled valves and other exotic parts. The cylinder heads do flow more...
LieKiller 1 year ago
@DarknightOTC ....despite the smaller cylinder bores and smaller volume intake ports. The Mach heads actually outflow all of the factory cathedral ports stock for stock, 241 or 243s. :)
LieKiller 1 year ago
@LieKiller Any way you slice it from 93-02 (4th G) F-Bodies stomped all over Mustangs in those same years whether your comparing the LS1, LT1 or even V6s. 0-60Mph, 1/4 Mile, Skidpad, Track times. I remember reading the article in MT in 2003 when they put the new 390hp Cobra up against the 02 TA WS6 and how despite more power the TA still had the best lap times every time. I'm just not impressed. For an example. 2003 Mach 1 0-60 (5.6) 1/4 (13.2) while 2000 TA WS6 managed 0-60 (5.0) 1/4 (13.4).
DarknightOTC 1 year ago
@justduck1313 yea but the mustangs still suck the guy sprayed and the t-tops were off, making it have a lot more drag, if he had the t-tops off the ws6 would have smoked it
thefleckster71 1 year ago
u suck now the record for mustangs beating Fbodies is
65-100235556844132136454
dont let them catch up
kibZ28 1 year ago
he didnt spray it he just beat your ass its funny how when someone loses the first thing they say is he sprayed it. and you call it NOS. NOS is brand of nitrous oxide....see you didnt even know that did you?
jdavis707070 1 year ago
they both came with about 300 hp from the factory so for haveing nos in the mustang and the t tops off on the T.A. it was pretty close
thezunedude 1 year ago
great race, i enjoyed it. ws6 kept up nicely with the gt even tho it was spraying.
mrtriplesix 1 year ago
thats not too bad considering he sprayed he only pulled on you in the first gear..
ftb28 1 year ago
My bolt-on LS1 T/A WS6 w/ headers,T-tops off Vs. A Mustang GT with a 100 shot of NOS/bolt-ons. Yes he sprays. Have you ever raced with the t-tops off at high speeds lol it feels like the ass end of you car is floating so just imagine how much drag that is making and o yea HE IS SPRAYING A 100 SHOT and the mustang won by maybe a car. Both fast cars and the mustang did look very sharp just not enough go for a 100 shot IMO but modular engines dont respond to nitrous as well as a LS1/pushrod engine.
QuickSSilver98 1 year ago
It's true, My TA ran 12.8 all day long at the strip. it was completely stock, even exhaust.
AnthonyMorrow1982 1 year ago
@AnthonyMorrow1982 BULLSHIT ! there isnt a stock trans am any year running 12.8 all stock you liar.I ve owned six trans ams and i love them but they dont run 12 s in any quarter mile drag except the ones you make up!
camirocz 1 year ago
bottles are for babies
jgkov49 1 year ago
that just shows how much ford sucks, its like 10 years newer than the t/a and sprayed Nitrous. And it still bearly beat him
motostud08 1 year ago
the audio on the vid is so horrible i can't tell if either car is even on the gas
lancelo96 1 year ago
i dont think the gt is spraying as a matter of fact i dont think they even know eachother
94STANG562 1 year ago
rustang!
tortillaflat1 1 year ago
im no genius on cars or anything.. but it didnt look to me like the gt sprayed. maybe the ws6 is pissed he got beat by an over-rated gt and made up an excuse. seems to me like neither owners knew each other, cause i didnt hear anybody honk, they just took off.
again, not trying to start shit, im just giving my opinion. and yes i am a mustang guy and forever will be. 1 day i will have my 2004 cobra, but i definitely have respect for T/A's and camaros
speeddemon0712 2 years ago 2
@speeddemon0712 DUDE what are the ODDS of me watching this video that you commented on. haha. I completely agree. Camaros and T/A's are badass.
KarstonLikesMustangs 2 years ago
@speeddemon0712 The Mustang had to spray. How do I know? Because I drive a WS6 Trans Am and I waste these cars all the time. He sprayed. He didn't sound like he had a cam, he didn't have a blowoff valve, a whine from a pulley, he sprayed. You really aren't a genius on cars at all. Thats why you think he didn't spray.
recniabsal 1 year ago
@speeddemon0712 You really can't tell when somebody sprays on you, flames don't shoot out the back, and the car doesn't go into "Hyper speed" or something like that.
They just pull on you, mad hard.
mcdoogle6969 1 year ago
@mcdoogle6969 lol.. hyper speed.. thats funny
santiagomel00 1 year ago
@mcdoogle6969 which is kinda like going into hyper speed.......
jeffzahnd 1 year ago
@speeddemon0712 i guess its a good thing the T/A is a snake eater
frank100192 1 year ago
that mustang is not spraying, bs on the guy who posted. i have an intake, tune and exhaust on an 05 automatic gt and i am running consistant 12.80s trapping 108 each time. I assume this car has about the same mods as me, cuz thats wut it looks like when i run ws6 with an exhaust. That car spraying would be outttt. stock for stock, ws6 wins, their high end is too much for the 4.6 when stock.
crestfallenode 2 years ago
My WS6 runs 12.7 @ 111 on street tires and stock gears, only mods are magnaflow catback and ory pipe. I've never had a 4.6 pull me on top end with full exhaust and a few bolt ons
cozzey05 1 year ago
a 12.8? come on with those mods you would be lucky for a mid to high 13 lmao
BULLSHIT
sinisterseven8 1 year ago
@sinisterseven8 depends where he lives.... if hes at sea level its possible to dip into the high 12's. here in high elevation utah a stock ws6 runs a 13.5 but he could aslo be a butt fucking liar ;)
NUNPUNCHER714 1 year ago
i also live in utah and my bud has a 2001 ws6 i have never seen him run faster then 13.9.. i think ur talkin sea level with that 13.5 high 12's would be un realistic imo
onesickms3 1 year ago
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FenderRox 2 years ago
lol gay ass mustang
draculaS2k 2 years ago
teach the mustang owner how to roll race. you're supposed to be BESIDE the car you're racing, not infront of it. it's funny the mustang won by a car length, but he started a car length ahead
black82s10 2 years ago
more like a bus length
ttinmystang28 1 year ago
hahahah u kicked his ass at the end
khdude2000 2 years ago
That S197 GT is a low 12 second car at 116-120 mph on a 100 shot. I run 13.1 at 107 mph