And what I mean by over overdrive is if you're using say a metal muff or fullbore which basically provide the peak of gain level before stuff sounds shit, if you overdrive it then you go over the peak so to speak and stuff starts to sound too fuzzy + u cant nock off some pedal gain to compensate cos that sounds worse!
I know you preach that the line 6 is amazing but it sounds shit unless you use the hd 150 with matching cab, It's very hard to tell which is better if the tone is bad anyway... Personally, the best distortion comes from solid state not valve ( valve over overdrives stuff at high volumes ) with good quality speakers and effect pedals ( true bypasses only ).
The invader had more of a bite to it. I guess it all depends on ur tastes. I've got the jb and jazz installed in my ibanez, and it sounds freakin killer.
I noticed a substantial difference,The Invader had a way lower tone and i'm sure it would even if it would be tuned the same as the C22.Also the amp makes a big difference weather your running 2X12 or 4X12 or tube vs. solid state.
i dont know man. i think the duncans sound better than the carvins but again your using a line 6 i used a line 6 for years and it was a great practice amp to learn on and stuff but i think even an amp like that would make crappy pickups sound nice but then again thats my opinion. use a reglular tube amp like a marshall or a crate and i think the sounds would be completely different but i think the invaders would still be better.
@chavjones and the whole first part of the equation is located on wood. the wood is an important aspect of a guitar's tone. it IS the bulk of the guitar after all
@IndustriaTheBand I'd argue the first part is the strings and pick attack, furthermore even with a world class tonewood guitar put a string cheese nut and bridge it all goes to waist, not to mention the body/neck joint. Resonance could come into play at high volumes but after a certain point guitar rigidness from string end to string end is all we're measuring here. Why say "wood" when "guitar construction" is a MUCH safer assumption.
@chavjones Right on - I mean, that's why Les Paul humbuckers have the EXACT same sound as Tele humbuckers! I mean, everyone knows that a humbucker is a humbucker right? Active, passive, it's all the same! Heck, why even make a guitar out of wood? Let's use metal or plastic - that'll have an effect on the pickups for sure!
dude please help to choose...well I have an ESP ltd Viper 10 so I'll buy new pickups I play metal/thrash/black and death metal and I really love to do pinch harmonics which pickups would you recommend:
Emg alx
Emg 81
Seymour Dimetime and...if you can give me other recommendations please let me know and I solo like you really heavy and fast so...tell me
@nonmusicman dimetime?do you mean dimebucker?i recommend the seymour.1.its passive.2.no battery
need.3.almost as clear as emgs.4.easier to install thus cheaper(no routing possible)3.good picking dynamics.4.good acoustic-sounding cleans with roll down volume pot.5.very sharp attack,tight,clear+good sustain for passive.6.best looking to me.
i appreciate the vid but with a modeling amp its really hard to tell which is better, the amount of signal is pretty much the only thing that matters. i had the peavy vyper to practice on and the only thing that mattered was single coils vs humbuckers. my sh8 actually sounded worse with that amp than one of my guitars that has very cheap pick ups.
@captinclutch1987 i have a godin sd-22, maple body, neck and fretboard..and i personally prefer the sound from it compared to mahogany or something like that. i have a video on my channel if you wanna see what it sounds like but it doesnt do much justice anymore since ive put a seymour invader in the bridge now and i was using my friends modelling amp instead of my marshall :/ try one out though you might like it
love this video...... I have an alder body guitar and was thinking about getting the SH-8 for it. Alot of peeps say it gets muddy etc BUT that was when fitted to a mahogany body. As mine is also Alder which is much more balanced wood tone wise. Would this even everything up nicely so that the muddy problem isnt there?
Kinda inaccurate review if you change tune and camera psoition, that wuld be like recoridng an album with a guitar and not caring about mic position and move it randomly for every song, of course tis gonna give a whole differe t sund
Con el duncan la tenes afinada en un semitono menos que con la carvin, entonces logras captar el brillo de la afinacion más aguda que si le llegás a poner la duncan afinada como en la segunda parte, y un ampli como la gente, t puedo asegurar q reventás todos los cráneos q existen!! PIYOOO!!
i`ve hear a lot videos of you... and a have an advice... you make good reviews, i mean your great, BUT you need better recordings for the videos... the tones sound the same...
Well, I can't find your post that was addressed to me about praising one pickup over the other. But really... why rely on the sound of the pickups anyway? Get an EQ in your chain and make it sound however you want.
I use invaders through a dual rectifier, with an EQ in the loop. TRUUUUST ME, it's not muddy. (if I recall that's how you described the invaders).
could have been the way it was recorded but i think there is more clarity with the carvin c22 pickups but whats with the cheesy music on the loading screens ?
This or a gibson flying v or an explorer would be my ideal metal guitar... but I'd drool for a firebird in alpine white with three minis and a vintage trem
@n94krisa i wasnt sure bout the carvin m22sd carvin highest output highest gain pup it is realy better than anything ive ever heard now since i played it i will never use any pup but a m22sd .
I'd say the Carvin pickps were better... I'm a big fan of mids and the Invaders lack that a lot. To me they just sound dirty and sloppy... I'm a big fan of full, beefy tone, personally, so that's probably my bias speaking.
The Carvin pickup definitely sounds better, but then again, it's CARVIN. I wouldn't have expected less. However, I'm a little baffled to find that they're using Alder for their guitars now. Back in the 80s, they used Maple, which was what the V220 was made of back then.
@6662112 His guitar's a custom. I don't know for sure, but I think he chose alder cuz it's light and has nice bright tone and usually uses distortion well.
someone please im not a pro on guitar pickups and i was wondering if i were to put an SH-8 Invader in my guitar would it go in neck or bridge? and what pickup would go good with it please
@apples21879 There are invaders voiced for neck position too, so you could play all invader if you want to. Other than that it's the tired combo with a 59' in the neck that most uses to get a better clean.. I've always thought that an invader in the bridge and a distorsion in the neck could be heckovacool, never tried it, but I think it might work:)
I still keep the C22. The SH-8 invader sound a little heavier, but I really had to listen though. It took me 30 times to see the vid to tell the difference.
Appreciate the demo, but all I can really hear is bad amplification. There's no tone to speak of here -- just over compression and bad amplification. Really bad.
@Huggy49 What do you expect? What you're hearing is whatever this shitty camera's microphone recorded. You're probably one of these fender twin, guitar all the way up to your neck, elitist telecaster playing types huh?
@Huggy49 And don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily disagree, but how the hell are you going to judge based on the audio quality equivalent of recording through a can of green beans. There's no way of knowing if this is decent or not. You're not hearing it as it actually is. You hear what that crappy camera's microphone heard... and then probably whatever crappy speakers it is playing through on your end.
@Huggy49 Yeah, agreed. Also since the recording is made on the camera's crap built-in mic, simply moving the camera to a different location will be the key defining factor in how it's going to sound, not the pickups. For such minute differences in sound you need to record with a proper mic next to the amp, unmoved between pickup changes. Or just plug in direct and run Guitar Rig or Amplitube.
I too appreciate the demo and dig the uploader's riffs and skills, but as a tone demo this is useless.
The Invader had more "balls" to it, and the output seemed to matter in the crunchiness, but the Carvins seemed to have some nice ring in the harmonics. Being a huge mid to late 80's metal fan, I'd pick the Invader. If i was clean, with LOTS of headroom, I could be swayed, though.
The problem today is monkey see monkey buy.Carvin pick up's are awesome and there are more than just EMG and Seymour Duncan;what about my personal fav.DiMarzio?The condenser mic will pick up differently upon location too so your sound did change by moving the camera and 1/2 step vs.full step is a major sound difference to me and the c22's weren't allowed as deep and grindy sound here as you got by going a full step with the EMG's; but anyway c22's all the way.
I'm thinking about getting Seymour Duncan SH-8 Invaders on my Ibanez RG4EXFM1... just wondering how do you think it would handle it? the wood is basswood
@Tallica4lyf I doubt Basswod wouldn't really be a great choice with that pick up set up. I haven't tried it personally but I think because basswood is such a light wood it doesn't really amplify or help the sound all to well
Hey! Iammusic1 your opinion is BUSH! If you've been building GTR's 4 30yrs then you should already know that CARVIN has awesome stuff, not to mention ....... is the LEGACYII & V3 crap? Your a duche! and a follower who probably plays ESP or Ibanez just like the other thousands of clones who can't seem to find their own musical identity. (thats how I know your gay!)
Is this pickup good for death metal?I play stuff like nile, cannibal corpse, dying fetus, deicide, origin, that sort of thing. IS the invader a good pick?
Most of the Natural sound comes from the guitar's wood. Acoustic guitars its more noticable, and electrics are more subtle. Pickups modify that sound slightly, then the amp does the rest pretty much. No one can say that wood doesn't affect the sound at all, because it really does. Everything does. Its not about swapping one thing and making a drastic difference, its the overall combination that gives a guitar its unique sound.
And I think the carvins sounded much better then the duncans. :D
I have nothing but good to say about Carvin-They actually used to be some of the best bargain guitars on the market until they got some great players backing their product. As far as woods go, you can't compare an ash body to a mahogany or koa, ash lacks in sustain in comparison. And on the pickups, if it's chunk you want, Carvin has the M22SD, super distortion p/u. THAT damn thing has some chunk, sustain, harmonics.. The C22 is actually one of their 'tame' humbuckers, but still sounds great.
Most of what Carvin sells is crap! Their guitars are OK at best but their pickups suck including their basses. If you're buying Carvin you haven't looked around enough or don't have the cash for better equipment..
Wood has far less impact on an elecrtic guitar than you might think. I've been building guitars for more than 30 years so I have a fairly good idea about the subject.
A comparison is only valid by playing the same riff and using the same amp/guitar settings for both demo's.
ALL pickups would sound PRETTY DAMN CLOSE through a line 6 amp at full distortion.... The differences would be MASSIVE if you gave them the chance to show their individual characteristcs of their sound through a nice tube amp with sane levels of distortion and not overkill.....
I have an Ibanez Xiphos guitar. It's the standard one, with "infinite" pickups, and bolt-on neck. The pickups are really shitty, and I wanted to buy a couple of Seymour Duncan Invaders. Is it worth it? Is it worth to buy expansive pickups for a cheap guitar? Please, someone help me .-.
@TenebrarumVires yeah it would bw worth it cause you'll have a guitar that plays just as good and sounds just as good as the more expensive models and you payed less for it. I have a Samick Greg Bennett Avion AV-3(Les Paul Copy) that i payed $300 and spent $260 to have a DiMarzio set put in(X2N in the bridge & Evolution in the neck) and it sounds and plays and sounds better than any high end Epiphone w/ emgs & mid and entry level Gibsons.
@TenebrarumVires Yeah chuck's the reason why i play tech death metal and why I use that pickup. You can never fail with an X2N in the bridge. As far as the neck goes, I'm a fan of DiMarzio. So maybe a DiMarzio D-Activator X (which looks like a X2N), PAF Pro, or the standard D-Activator.
i had a cheap ibanez to rg2ex1 and i put a duncan in the bridge it made it sound so much better and more clear i would def do it man will give u awesome sound
I am loving that Seymour Duncan pickup. It has a far more defined and punchier midrange than the C22, and seems to perfectly compliment the open tone of alder.
I bought an incredibly cheap jackson Dkny about 2 years ago , and about 6 months ago decided to experiment . I put the invader in the bridge , and a seymore duncan Jazz pick up in the neck . . It woke that guitar right up . Now I must add that the guitar isnt made of wood , well not totally . It was made what seems to be partially of construction material , and then covered with an 1/8" poly material . i installed them myself . I love them . next step build a new Body =)
@shugo541 its gonna sound real good. but invader doesnt look good on a normal les paul. the pickups are up pretty high so your only gonna get high as output
I won't get into a pissing contest regarding wood for tone. We still don't know what pickup dmoguitar chose. I like the C22B much more than the Invader.
A guitar's build type has a bigger impact than the wood. The fact that this guitar is a neck through is the reason it sounds nice, snappy and clear. Wood is IMO at the bottom of the list.
A guitar's build type has a bigger impact than the wood. The fact that this guitar is a neck through is the reason it sounds nice, snappy and clear. Wood is IMO at the bottom of the list.
I disagree. Build type has more to do with a guitar's tone than the wood. The fact that this guitar is a neck-through gives it that nice clear snappy tone. On neck-through
guitars, most of the resonance is being produced by the neck since that's where the bridge is mounted. If you removed the wings (or body wood), you'd only lose about 10 to 15% of the guitar's natural tone. Neck-through guitars are naturally snappy and clear regardless of wood!
Every guitar tends to sound the same plugged into a Line 6 amp on the Insane channel. But I preferred the Carvin's. A lot more midrange, better note definition. Thanks for comparing them. I'm a big fan of Carvin's gear. You should check out the V3 amp.
wow nice vid, i plan on buying a carvin soon and had already decided to change to the invaders....maybe now i should rethink that. theres lots of debate on how much the wood affects the tone when ur playing metal and i have read that you love alder. however, this guitar has a neck through design so the pups and bridge are mounted directly to the maple neck...i am not convinced that the alder makes as great of a contribution. i will still likely buy mine with a walnut neck and alder body.
Heck I may go all walnut because i like the look but i do hear pretty consistent remarks about the alder wings helping out with the sustain. I might also consider the M22J / M22SD combination from Carvin. They are pretty inexpensive pups so I may as well try em out.
Don't go all walnut it will be too bright, I had a DC125 with a M22SD I thought it was too focused sounding and I ended up replacing it with a Lawrence L500.
you do playing guitar number 1
mydarklife666 2 days ago
Thanks! I like the Carvin pickups in this video. I play solid state Ibby and Peavey amps, and these might work for me.
damnonii 1 week ago
@2IronBird Are you by any chance a fan of Nile? They use those tunings along with these pickups as well.
TheCorpseshredder 1 week ago
And what I mean by over overdrive is if you're using say a metal muff or fullbore which basically provide the peak of gain level before stuff sounds shit, if you overdrive it then you go over the peak so to speak and stuff starts to sound too fuzzy + u cant nock off some pedal gain to compensate cos that sounds worse!
HeavyMetalMasterSid 2 weeks ago
I know you preach that the line 6 is amazing but it sounds shit unless you use the hd 150 with matching cab, It's very hard to tell which is better if the tone is bad anyway... Personally, the best distortion comes from solid state not valve ( valve over overdrives stuff at high volumes ) with good quality speakers and effect pedals ( true bypasses only ).
HeavyMetalMasterSid 2 weeks ago
Should have got the Carvin SD22 pickups.
flyonwall360 3 weeks ago
The invader had more of a bite to it. I guess it all depends on ur tastes. I've got the jb and jazz installed in my ibanez, and it sounds freakin killer.
PL4894 4 weeks ago
i have a Duncan invader in bridge, sounds great! very agressive tone, no need for active =]
i play in standart B and drop A.
2IronBird 1 month ago
is that rosewood or ebony fingerboard on that carvin
lewisstorer89 1 month ago
Invader!!!!! That's what I have :D
666hectik 1 month ago
seymour duncan!!!!!!!
domenico89dil 1 month ago
I say draw
MetalinTheVeia 1 month ago
.-. what kind of guitar is it ? >.> im trying to get into guitars, thats why im asking a stupid question
ItsSexxiiBitch 2 months ago
@ItsSexxiiBitch custom Carvin V220
noobaliciouscovers 1 month ago
i have the invader, and it kills
Muffinman1186 2 months ago
Carvin sounded fucking great. I'm buying one fuckin tomorrow!!! aedadsfasdf
bce5150 2 months ago
gay intro
MatKiller1197 2 months ago
I noticed a substantial difference,The Invader had a way lower tone and i'm sure it would even if it would be tuned the same as the C22.Also the amp makes a big difference weather your running 2X12 or 4X12 or tube vs. solid state.
xauncor 2 months ago
The Carvin's sound more bright, and powered. The Duncans sound deep, dull and heavy. I like power and brightness.
jfkdjfd 2 months ago
i dont know man. i think the duncans sound better than the carvins but again your using a line 6 i used a line 6 for years and it was a great practice amp to learn on and stuff but i think even an amp like that would make crappy pickups sound nice but then again thats my opinion. use a reglular tube amp like a marshall or a crate and i think the sounds would be completely different but i think the invaders would still be better.
TheGuitarWizard8909 2 months ago
love your vids keep it up
dayne1ful 2 months ago
Duncan sounds much better.. at least for me
Danyerd 2 months ago 2
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syn458763 2 months ago
You play very good. Bravo
Tstrat42 2 months ago
Nice video, but next time you should play the same thing on each pickup, the tone diference would be a lot more clear ;)
Deathrash241 2 months ago
you should get a zoom q3hd camera
IndustriaTheBand 3 months ago
what a racket!!!!!!!!!!!!
grables 3 months ago
Signal path = metal strings+magnetic pickups+copper wires+electronic components+ cable capacitance+ amplifier preamp and poweramp+ speakers... yup, guitar wood sure is the culprit here.
chavjones 3 months ago
@chavjones and the whole first part of the equation is located on wood. the wood is an important aspect of a guitar's tone. it IS the bulk of the guitar after all
IndustriaTheBand 3 months ago
@IndustriaTheBand I'd argue the first part is the strings and pick attack, furthermore even with a world class tonewood guitar put a string cheese nut and bridge it all goes to waist, not to mention the body/neck joint. Resonance could come into play at high volumes but after a certain point guitar rigidness from string end to string end is all we're measuring here. Why say "wood" when "guitar construction" is a MUCH safer assumption.
chavjones 3 months ago
@chavjones Right on - I mean, that's why Les Paul humbuckers have the EXACT same sound as Tele humbuckers! I mean, everyone knows that a humbucker is a humbucker right? Active, passive, it's all the same! Heck, why even make a guitar out of wood? Let's use metal or plastic - that'll have an effect on the pickups for sure!
theArchaist 3 months ago
dude please help to choose...well I have an ESP ltd Viper 10 so I'll buy new pickups I play metal/thrash/black and death metal and I really love to do pinch harmonics which pickups would you recommend:
Emg alx
Emg 81
Seymour Dimetime and...if you can give me other recommendations please let me know and I solo like you really heavy and fast so...tell me
Thanks!
nonmusicman 4 months ago
@nonmusicman dimetime?do you mean dimebucker?i recommend the seymour.1.its passive.2.no battery
need.3.almost as clear as emgs.4.easier to install thus cheaper(no routing possible)3.good picking dynamics.4.good acoustic-sounding cleans with roll down volume pot.5.very sharp attack,tight,clear+good sustain for passive.6.best looking to me.
Akssaraa 3 months ago
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nonmusicman 4 months ago
Can you tell me please, what wood is that guitar made of? My bet is that it is mahogany...
cthulhuinsamadhi 4 months ago
nice playing BTW :D
alexvirtual 4 months ago
Ease up on the whammy, Kerry King!! lol. good vid though....kinda.
ThePeaveyGeneration 4 months ago
i appreciate the vid but with a modeling amp its really hard to tell which is better, the amount of signal is pretty much the only thing that matters. i had the peavy vyper to practice on and the only thing that mattered was single coils vs humbuckers. my sh8 actually sounded worse with that amp than one of my guitars that has very cheap pick ups.
tjlongarms 5 months ago
00:02 THIS IS THE NEWS OF THE NIGHT!
TheEnzoMastrangelo 6 months ago
What year is that V220? I am thinking about getting an 1985 V220 but I'm skeptical about the all maple body and neck for Metal. Any suggestions guys?
captinclutch1987 6 months ago
@captinclutch1987 i have a godin sd-22, maple body, neck and fretboard..and i personally prefer the sound from it compared to mahogany or something like that. i have a video on my channel if you wanna see what it sounds like but it doesnt do much justice anymore since ive put a seymour invader in the bridge now and i was using my friends modelling amp instead of my marshall :/ try one out though you might like it
CopperKing33 6 months ago
The funny thing is the C22 isn't a high ouput pup. An M22SD Super Sustainer vs an SH-8 Invader would be interesting to see...
JordnBee 6 months ago
ahh the c22 have a nice raw sound and tight sound, which thrash guitarist need
skeleton0578 7 months ago
love this video...... I have an alder body guitar and was thinking about getting the SH-8 for it. Alot of peeps say it gets muddy etc BUT that was when fitted to a mahogany body. As mine is also Alder which is much more balanced wood tone wise. Would this even everything up nicely so that the muddy problem isnt there?
lewisstorer89 7 months ago
The Invaders sound really messy.
Madbutcher305 7 months ago
both sound great, but the duncan has more power i think, and the c22 sounds more thrashy!
mazzesdirt 7 months ago
@mayonpi I like that name pups, it reminds me of Tits.
MrHideyoursheep 7 months ago
Duncan's rule my friend..
MrHideyoursheep 7 months ago
The original pickup sounded twice as good.
hsoux33 7 months ago
chug chug, fizz fizz. oh what a mistake this is.
blockstar2013 8 months ago
Kinda inaccurate review if you change tune and camera psoition, that wuld be like recoridng an album with a guitar and not caring about mic position and move it randomly for every song, of course tis gonna give a whole differe t sund
Tombking2 8 months ago
wow
mrbvs11 8 months ago
CHUG CHUG FIZZ FIZZ.
blockstar2013 9 months ago
Con el duncan la tenes afinada en un semitono menos que con la carvin, entonces logras captar el brillo de la afinacion más aguda que si le llegás a poner la duncan afinada como en la segunda parte, y un ampli como la gente, t puedo asegurar q reventás todos los cráneos q existen!! PIYOOO!!
leorequiem 9 months ago
like if u wish he wouldnt wear those shorts ...yuckk
Calluswhatyouwill1 9 months ago
i`ve hear a lot videos of you... and a have an advice... you make good reviews, i mean your great, BUT you need better recordings for the videos... the tones sound the same...
magicthunder666 9 months ago
If your thy wasn't there I could actually appreciate the guitars design :) Anyhow... Nice job :D
GuitarzMyThing 10 months ago
When you were playing with the Invaders, I tought you were choking your guitar.
OKAY546 10 months ago
Yeah you need a good tube amp (5150 or Recto) and a consistent micing setup in order to A/B.
ottawadrummer 11 months ago
@ottawadrummer more like an engl savage or a marshall jvm or something not overused to death. i like the triple x more then the 6505 or the 3120.
FirePower3006 9 months ago
Awesome chops dude ........but please, no more shorts in your vids, only a chick can get away with it NOT U!!!! Go Carvin!
teeze65 11 months ago
Well, I can't find your post that was addressed to me about praising one pickup over the other. But really... why rely on the sound of the pickups anyway? Get an EQ in your chain and make it sound however you want.
I use invaders through a dual rectifier, with an EQ in the loop. TRUUUUST ME, it's not muddy. (if I recall that's how you described the invaders).
thacrackfox 11 months ago
Invaders
seth3556r 1 year ago
could have been the way it was recorded but i think there is more clarity with the carvin c22 pickups but whats with the cheesy music on the loading screens ?
slidewaysracing 1 year ago
i prefer the invaders
playNsleep 1 year ago
How much leg are you going to show?
ManuelBetten 1 year ago
This or a gibson flying v or an explorer would be my ideal metal guitar... but I'd drool for a firebird in alpine white with three minis and a vintage trem
Kingddd333 1 year ago
dude hell yea!!!! ill say the carvin had you goin pretty good! so therfore the carvin in my ears is better (on that guitar...
naterlater5000 1 year ago
try to mic your amp next time. this kind of recording doesnt shows any difference.
happyburial 1 year ago
Carvin has it. You can hear each note better. The other set is just unclear. Their OK with a single note but get gritty with anything else.
EGM210 1 year ago
Nice leg.....
10Musicpizzaman01 1 year ago
please, i need help to install my sh8 in the bridge position. which position, has the best tone ???? thank you for help. merry christmass. ;)
n94krisa 1 year ago
@n94krisa i wasnt sure bout the carvin m22sd carvin highest output highest gain pup it is realy better than anything ive ever heard now since i played it i will never use any pup but a m22sd .
metalmusiqcrzy 1 year ago
I'd say the Carvin pickps were better... I'm a big fan of mids and the Invaders lack that a lot. To me they just sound dirty and sloppy... I'm a big fan of full, beefy tone, personally, so that's probably my bias speaking.
Wild1990Child 1 year ago
The Carvin pickup definitely sounds better, but then again, it's CARVIN. I wouldn't have expected less. However, I'm a little baffled to find that they're using Alder for their guitars now. Back in the 80s, they used Maple, which was what the V220 was made of back then.
6662112 1 year ago
@6662112 His guitar's a custom. I don't know for sure, but I think he chose alder cuz it's light and has nice bright tone and usually uses distortion well.
TroubleClef2112 1 year ago
I think the Sh-8 is hotter but the C-22 is EQed better. Got more color, and also has better note separation.
deanmlshredder 1 year ago
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xXMUurTXx 1 year ago
I think if you used a tube amp instead of adigital amp, and miced the amp we'd hear a larger difference between the two.
DrSmoothie 1 year ago
someone please im not a pro on guitar pickups and i was wondering if i were to put an SH-8 Invader in my guitar would it go in neck or bridge? and what pickup would go good with it please
apples21879 1 year ago
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Blargaha 1 year ago
@apples21879 There are invaders voiced for neck position too, so you could play all invader if you want to. Other than that it's the tired combo with a 59' in the neck that most uses to get a better clean.. I've always thought that an invader in the bridge and a distorsion in the neck could be heckovacool, never tried it, but I think it might work:)
Blargaha 1 year ago
@Blargaha thanks that really helped :)
apples21879 1 year ago
@apples21879 I live to serve my fellow man:)
Blargaha 1 year ago
I still keep the C22. The SH-8 invader sound a little heavier, but I really had to listen though. It took me 30 times to see the vid to tell the difference.
tuck234 1 year ago
THIS DUDE IS A BEAST!!!!!
91cannibal 1 year ago
hey man
what do you recoment for a ltd viper 100fm see thru black?
seymour duncan invader/blackouts mick thompson signature
dimarzio d activators or emg 81's?
genometalhead 1 year ago
I have an ibanez RG3EXFM1..
and I was thinking of replacing the stock neck with an invader.. what do ya think?
InsaneHatcheteer 1 year ago
Excellent demo!! Is that a C22B or C22T? Which one is better for the bridge in terms of clarity between the 22B and 22T? Thanks.
sensational1982 1 year ago
Appreciate the demo, but all I can really hear is bad amplification. There's no tone to speak of here -- just over compression and bad amplification. Really bad.
Huggy49 1 year ago 39
@Huggy49 What do you expect? What you're hearing is whatever this shitty camera's microphone recorded. You're probably one of these fender twin, guitar all the way up to your neck, elitist telecaster playing types huh?
thacrackfox 1 year ago
@Huggy49 And don't get me wrong. I don't necessarily disagree, but how the hell are you going to judge based on the audio quality equivalent of recording through a can of green beans. There's no way of knowing if this is decent or not. You're not hearing it as it actually is. You hear what that crappy camera's microphone heard... and then probably whatever crappy speakers it is playing through on your end.
thacrackfox 1 year ago
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MintGreenMetallic 11 months ago
@Huggy49 Yeah, agreed. Also since the recording is made on the camera's crap built-in mic, simply moving the camera to a different location will be the key defining factor in how it's going to sound, not the pickups. For such minute differences in sound you need to record with a proper mic next to the amp, unmoved between pickup changes. Or just plug in direct and run Guitar Rig or Amplitube.
I too appreciate the demo and dig the uploader's riffs and skills, but as a tone demo this is useless.
leoruoska 6 months ago
Awesome demo!! Is the pup a c22B or a c22T? Thanks.
sensational1982 1 year ago
@sensational1982 I was about to ask the same question...
ElfDude2112 1 year ago
If you used a real amp ,you wont need to change pick ups.try a tube amp.Carvin pick ups are awesome.AMP,AMP AMP.change amps
evanpetrarca 1 year ago
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If you used a real amp ,you wont need to change pick ups.try a tube amp.Carvin pick ups are awesome.
evanpetrarca 1 year ago
If you used a real amp ,you wont need to change pick ups.try a tube amp.Carvin pick ups are awesome.
evanpetrarca 1 year ago
the invaders sound better on mahogany guitars.
brux559 1 year ago
The Invader had more "balls" to it, and the output seemed to matter in the crunchiness, but the Carvins seemed to have some nice ring in the harmonics. Being a huge mid to late 80's metal fan, I'd pick the Invader. If i was clean, with LOTS of headroom, I could be swayed, though.
apostlethirteen 1 year ago
@666virus999 send it to shop.....!!!!!!!!!!
TheZackyV1 1 year ago
The problem today is monkey see monkey buy.Carvin pick up's are awesome and there are more than just EMG and Seymour Duncan;what about my personal fav.DiMarzio?The condenser mic will pick up differently upon location too so your sound did change by moving the camera and 1/2 step vs.full step is a major sound difference to me and the c22's weren't allowed as deep and grindy sound here as you got by going a full step with the EMG's; but anyway c22's all the way.
blitzspeer 1 year ago
Good video!
I'm thinking about getting Seymour Duncan SH-8 Invaders on my Ibanez RG4EXFM1... just wondering how do you think it would handle it? the wood is basswood
Tallica4lyf 1 year ago
@Tallica4lyf I doubt Basswod wouldn't really be a great choice with that pick up set up. I haven't tried it personally but I think because basswood is such a light wood it doesn't really amplify or help the sound all to well
DeausEXMachina666 1 year ago
YEAH! Go wild with it! Shred bro, shred!!
zZHighwayToHellZz 1 year ago
Hey! Iammusic1 your opinion is BUSH! If you've been building GTR's 4 30yrs then you should already know that CARVIN has awesome stuff, not to mention ....... is the LEGACYII & V3 crap? Your a duche! and a follower who probably plays ESP or Ibanez just like the other thousands of clones who can't seem to find their own musical identity. (thats how I know your gay!)
teeze65 1 year ago
Is this pickup good for death metal?I play stuff like nile, cannibal corpse, dying fetus, deicide, origin, that sort of thing. IS the invader a good pick?
VonHendrixTV 1 year ago
do you like the band death because some of this kind of reminded me of them
ihatenatwolf 1 year ago
Im about to buy the invader next week, Nice guitar playing BTW
ObelixDasTier 1 year ago
Most of the Natural sound comes from the guitar's wood. Acoustic guitars its more noticable, and electrics are more subtle. Pickups modify that sound slightly, then the amp does the rest pretty much. No one can say that wood doesn't affect the sound at all, because it really does. Everything does. Its not about swapping one thing and making a drastic difference, its the overall combination that gives a guitar its unique sound.
And I think the carvins sounded much better then the duncans. :D
MattiasOfTheMetal 1 year ago
I have nothing but good to say about Carvin-They actually used to be some of the best bargain guitars on the market until they got some great players backing their product. As far as woods go, you can't compare an ash body to a mahogany or koa, ash lacks in sustain in comparison. And on the pickups, if it's chunk you want, Carvin has the M22SD, super distortion p/u. THAT damn thing has some chunk, sustain, harmonics.. The C22 is actually one of their 'tame' humbuckers, but still sounds great.
zaigar11 1 year ago
Most of what Carvin sells is crap! Their guitars are OK at best but their pickups suck including their basses. If you're buying Carvin you haven't looked around enough or don't have the cash for better equipment..
Wood has far less impact on an elecrtic guitar than you might think. I've been building guitars for more than 30 years so I have a fairly good idea about the subject.
A comparison is only valid by playing the same riff and using the same amp/guitar settings for both demo's.
Iammusic1 1 year ago
@Iammusic1 But they are an amazing value for a CUSTOM model... making esp customs cost like 6 times more than these
Kingddd333 1 year ago
I think the Invader is much more chunky, though the C22 pickups have a good crunch.
But I like the chunky sound more. :3
6sic6blank 1 year ago
I think the duncan was more defined. I love carvin pickups but the duncan is perfect for metal. I hope you kept it in the guitar.
WoWintosh 1 year ago
the seymour duncans sound a bit raunchier to me
Kingddd333 1 year ago
definantly the C22 is the way to go
the duncan pickup was muddy
FLAMINGSTRINGZ 1 year ago
ALL pickups would sound PRETTY DAMN CLOSE through a line 6 amp at full distortion.... The differences would be MASSIVE if you gave them the chance to show their individual characteristcs of their sound through a nice tube amp with sane levels of distortion and not overkill.....
Sozos9038 1 year ago
get a recording system instead of a camera. Either way through this video, the pickups sound crapppy.
FenderrMann 1 year ago
great videos but the intro music hurts my brain xD u should make an epic intro riff :P
CoolParkourName 1 year ago
Is that neck ebony or rosewood?
bluesman2050 1 year ago
@bluesman2050 Ebony is standard carvin fretboard... you can change it to rosewood if you want though on the custom form, which I'd rather not do
Kingddd333 1 year ago
I have an Ibanez Xiphos guitar. It's the standard one, with "infinite" pickups, and bolt-on neck. The pickups are really shitty, and I wanted to buy a couple of Seymour Duncan Invaders. Is it worth it? Is it worth to buy expansive pickups for a cheap guitar? Please, someone help me .-.
TenebrarumVires 1 year ago
@TenebrarumVires yeah it would bw worth it cause you'll have a guitar that plays just as good and sounds just as good as the more expensive models and you payed less for it. I have a Samick Greg Bennett Avion AV-3(Les Paul Copy) that i payed $300 and spent $260 to have a DiMarzio set put in(X2N in the bridge & Evolution in the neck) and it sounds and plays and sounds better than any high end Epiphone w/ emgs & mid and entry level Gibsons.
metalguy625 1 year ago
@metalguy625 Wow, X2N!!! The pickup used by Chuck Schuldiner of Death!
Powerful pickup!
Do you think is a good idea to put a X2N at the bridge and a Seymour Duncan Invader at the neck ?
TenebrarumVires 1 year ago
@TenebrarumVires Yeah chuck's the reason why i play tech death metal and why I use that pickup. You can never fail with an X2N in the bridge. As far as the neck goes, I'm a fan of DiMarzio. So maybe a DiMarzio D-Activator X (which looks like a X2N), PAF Pro, or the standard D-Activator.
metalguy625 1 year ago
i had a cheap ibanez to rg2ex1 and i put a duncan in the bridge it made it sound so much better and more clear i would def do it man will give u awesome sound
metalrocks89 1 year ago
@metalrocks89
Oh... nice!
Thanks man. I'll do it.
TenebrarumVires 1 year ago
Sexy Legs! Dayum!
Dany1148 1 year ago
I am loving that Seymour Duncan pickup. It has a far more defined and punchier midrange than the C22, and seems to perfectly compliment the open tone of alder.
omgScrub 1 year ago
Your setup with the Duncans sounds like the PERFECT Pantera tone...
IbanezShredder91 1 year ago
@IbanezShredder91 its the exact same body shape and wood and the pickup is the one of sinister whos majorly influenced by dime so ya it should
joellesperance 1 year ago
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@joellesperance Actually, it's not the same wood. This guitar has an Alder body, whereas Dimebag's guitar had a Mahogany body.
Also, I meant the amp's tone produced from the pickups.
IbanezShredder91 1 year ago
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IbanezShredder91 1 year ago
I bought an incredibly cheap jackson Dkny about 2 years ago , and about 6 months ago decided to experiment . I put the invader in the bridge , and a seymore duncan Jazz pick up in the neck . . It woke that guitar right up . Now I must add that the guitar isnt made of wood , well not totally . It was made what seems to be partially of construction material , and then covered with an 1/8" poly material . i installed them myself . I love them . next step build a new Body =)
rodneydoodles 1 year ago
do you prefer dimarzio or seymour duncan
ilikeymuzic 1 year ago
Is the amps the major importance in guitar tone with distortion
Aqualeader5 1 year ago
@Aqualeader5 yes the amp is the most important part of your sound.
Gonboo 1 year ago
Everybody is going to kill me, but I think that there is no comparison, the Invaders are heaps better.
felixnoir 1 year ago
Ahh I Have To Say The Invader SH-8.
xiSuKxEvoLuTioN 1 year ago
I have jackson guitars that came with symour duncan and now I not only use carvin exclusively but all the rest of my strats have carvin pickups
Mr0ro 1 year ago
The only problem is that the body never the same when you install a pick up so it is not sounding good while not on a good guitar.
eticom1 1 year ago
my invaders in the synyster custom (mahogany body and neck ebony fretboard) sound a lot better than these ones. it might just be the wood though
InspiringWear 1 year ago
@InspiringWear probably is. yo im thinking about putting an invader into the bridge of my gibson sg. its made of mahogony :P :P good idea do u think?
shugo541 1 year ago
@shugo541 its gonna sound real good. but invader doesnt look good on a normal les paul. the pickups are up pretty high so your only gonna get high as output
InspiringWear 1 year ago
@InspiringWear i put in a JB other dude in a7x uses it, iron maiden, greenday, megadeath. it was a good choice :)
ty for info
and yeah my JB is quite raised too
shugo541 1 year ago
@shugo541 that was exactly my next suggestion. good pick man
InspiringWear 1 year ago
@InspiringWear P.S i love a7x
shugo541 1 year ago
The Invaders and the C22s definitely have a different sound. I personally like how the C22s sound, quite possibly I'm just a fan of the higher mids.
nothingxs 1 year ago
jesus.. they BOTH sound good when you play em man haha
topbassman14 1 year ago
i forget that i was looking for pickups when i saw you play at 2:50
kamikaze2800 1 year ago
The main difference I see is that the Invader has a more crunchy sound, and it is more sensitive to high-pitch harmonics.
anurabisu 1 year ago
Invaders sounded nice and juicy, Gets my vote. C22's sounded weak in comparison.
homersimps1 1 year ago
Please forgive my triple post.
I won't get into a pissing contest regarding wood for tone. We still don't know what pickup dmoguitar chose. I like the C22B much more than the Invader.
darthinfurnus 1 year ago
A guitar's build type has a bigger impact than the wood. The fact that this guitar is a neck through is the reason it sounds nice, snappy and clear. Wood is IMO at the bottom of the list.
1. build quality 2. build type 3. pickups 4. bridge 5. strings 6. wood
My 2 cents
darthinfurnus 1 year ago
A guitar's build type has a bigger impact than the wood. The fact that this guitar is a neck through is the reason it sounds nice, snappy and clear. Wood is IMO at the bottom of the list.
1. build quality 2. build type 3. pickups 4. bridge 5. strings 6. wood
My 2 cents
darthinfurnus 1 year ago
@darthinfurnus lol its build quality wood pickups build type and then strings
TheSentinals101 1 year ago
I disagree. Build type has more to do with a guitar's tone than the wood. The fact that this guitar is a neck-through gives it that nice clear snappy tone. On neck-through
guitars, most of the resonance is being produced by the neck since that's where the bridge is mounted. If you removed the wings (or body wood), you'd only lose about 10 to 15% of the guitar's natural tone. Neck-through guitars are naturally snappy and clear regardless of wood!
darthinfurnus 1 year ago
I like the carvin's chords better
Kingddd333 1 year ago
Every guitar tends to sound the same plugged into a Line 6 amp on the Insane channel. But I preferred the Carvin's. A lot more midrange, better note definition. Thanks for comparing them. I'm a big fan of Carvin's gear. You should check out the V3 amp.
KevinFL 1 year ago
wow nice vid, i plan on buying a carvin soon and had already decided to change to the invaders....maybe now i should rethink that. theres lots of debate on how much the wood affects the tone when ur playing metal and i have read that you love alder. however, this guitar has a neck through design so the pups and bridge are mounted directly to the maple neck...i am not convinced that the alder makes as great of a contribution. i will still likely buy mine with a walnut neck and alder body.
T0tenkampf 1 year ago
@T0tenkampf
Get a Walnut neck and Mahogany body, this is a really hep combination, and keep the C22B/C22J you will love it!!!
dmjones999 1 year ago
@dmjones999
Heck I may go all walnut because i like the look but i do hear pretty consistent remarks about the alder wings helping out with the sustain. I might also consider the M22J / M22SD combination from Carvin. They are pretty inexpensive pups so I may as well try em out.
T0tenkampf 1 year ago
Don't go all walnut it will be too bright, I had a DC125 with a M22SD I thought it was too focused sounding and I ended up replacing it with a Lawrence L500.
dmjones999 1 year ago
why the heck would you change the C22?
dmjones999 1 year ago 16
Nice video man great playing just wanted to know which model carvin pickup you are comparing here
SatchFan555 1 year ago
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I LOVE the c22
nascarbean 1 year ago
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I LOVE the c22
nascarbean 1 year ago
I LOVE the c22
nascarbean 1 year ago 7
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The c22 IMHO is A little more how i like pup's. this might not be with you but the c22s are great
nascarbean 1 year ago