Well not all of us are dumb sheep and we think for ourselves. Jesus isn't the only shepherd and his way isn't the only way. It is a good way, but those sheep that follow him seem to put on blinders to the rest of us who follow another shepherd to the same destination and think that Jesus is the only shepherd. See? I can do parables and analogies too. =)
@CrazyMastodon Hey Crazy Mastodon, I am glad that you watch Mark Driscoll, but would encourage you to realize that Jesus claimed to be the only way in John 14:6. Acts 4:12 also confirms that Christ is the only way. So, if Jesus is not a liar, which He is not because it is impossible for Him to lie Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18, He must be the only way.
@presbeee Sorry, you can't mix logic and religion, it doesn't work. Your argument only works if you believe the Bible, which I don't. Jesus claimed to be the only way according to people who wrote about him and then had their writings edited centuries later. Sorry, I'm glad you think that Jesus is the only way, but others like me don't. I certainly hope you don't believe in rapture, because you are most likely to be proven wrong in the next several hours. =)
@CrazyMastodon If you do not believe that the Bible is the Word of God for reasons which are answered I'm sure by several distinguished intelligent people, what is your basis for believing that there are many shepherds to one destination?
@presbeee History provides a basis for believing that there are many ways to God. If this wasn't the case, then one would expect that it's only the Christians that are producing 'good fruit'. That's just not true, though. People from other world religions make just as much (if not more) spiritual progress than do Christians.
@CrazyMastodon see " Why 2012 'enlightenment will lead to genocide" - by Chris White on Nowheretorun channel. No matter who or where you are, jungle or city - when you call out to any God at all, to see if any God is out there, Jesus is the only one to turn up - why? Cos there's only one.and it's Jesus -- I know from experience and i was a Darwinist, ''all roads lead to Rome, many paths to God'' type before that. In fact i wasnt even sure if God was real. He is.
You don't have to be a sheep. You can acknowledge a greater power while still thinking for yourself. Why choose weakness? I doubt that's what God wants. For you to be helpless and pitiful. God helps those who help themselves.
I can't argue with christians being dumb sheep. Its a perfect analogy about all religious followers. keep bleating bleeding and plodding towards that pie in the sky. A computer with artificial intelligence once said: 'the pie is a lie'. Or was it cake?
@nikolaypr Why then, are you watching these videos? If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. Cor 4:3-4
@themanofearth His point is we are incapable of getting to God on our own. We MUST go through Jesus Christ who MUST do all of the work because we aren't able to do it. If you want to call it outsourcing then fine; but you have been commanded to repent of your lying, stealing, coveting, anger, and idolatry (among other things). Believe what God has told you and live. Disbelieve and die in your sins and you will eternally avoid "outsourcing" and face God's judgment yourself.
@the13thof12 "We MUST go through Jesus Christ who MUST do all of the work because we aren't able to do it." And yet he just got through saying that religion tells you you're dirty, stinky, etc etc. He's just calling you handicapped and helpless.
"Disbelieve and die in your sins and you will eternally avoid "outsourcing" and face God's judgment yourself." Because God allowed a talking snake to exist? My response "Oh lord I thought if you existed that you'd prefer honesty to insincere belief."
@the13thof12 LMAO! What a pitiful reply. I don't know why I'm always so surprised when people who claim to be speaking the truth and then when it comes to defending it they can't seem to summon the strength or intellectual integrity to defend it. Do you really have that little respect for your own position?
@TheFruitfulLife And you're a coward or an intellectual invalid. Snide remarks from a person who has the arrogance to claim that he/she knows the will of the creator of the universe and thus knows everything worth knowing doesn't mean much accept to those who claim the same.
@the13thof12 "His point is we are incapable of getting to God on our own. We MUST go through Jesus Christ who MUST do all of the work because we aren't able to do it."
That depends on what kind of work. Because we can't do nothing RIGHT without God. But with faith in Jesus nothing is impossible and we can do lots of good things when we do them according to the word of God. In Jesus is salvation, but faith in Jesus must not be just a religious flag. Rather serving and live ONLY for our saviour.
@crangeyw11 Figure that out all by yourself? :-P I'm sorry but preachers like this are masterful con artists. It's actually kinda interesting on a certain level watching the sophomoric adulating sheep they attract. Though surrendering the intellect as one must to men willing to deceive people on the deepest level by manipulating their trust and teaching their children to do the same is beyond perverse.
@themanofearth i'm sorry but that is just not true. surrendering the intellect? its not like he is saying listen to me or die! people like Mark Driscoll because he is a good preacher who speaks truth. if you have a problem with truth, than that is something else entirely. he is not trying to be "marketable" for the public. he is a broker of truth.
...why are you here? It's one thing if Christians went to YOUR channel - but you go to Christian videos and post unecessary comments that are a result of you incapability to understand the gospels.
@aveyowyns Well first, Christians DO go to my channel and leave comments. Second, I have read the Bible and part of the problem with it IS the fact that one can use (and indeed many have used) it to justify everything and anything from philanthropy to genocide in the name God/Jesus. No matter what you advocate by using the Bible you need to cherry pick your passages which means that if the Bible (in its entirety) gets anything right, it gets it right by accident. (continued...)
It does not follow that because something can be used to justify anything, it is untrue (ie Social Darwinism: Hitler, Mao, Stalin, The Eugentics movement in America).
@aveyowyns That's an odd comment to make since Social Darwinism only justifies a very specific set of principals that have wide ranging effects that ultimately are demonstrably harmful to society.
You've in effect just compared the legitimacy of the Bible to that of Social Darwinism and people who follow the Bible to Hitler, Mao and Stalin. Not the best comparison to make if you're attempting to make a case FOR the legitimacy or truth of the Bible.
@aveyowyns Third, as to why I'm here you should go to my channel (irony) and see a video: Why... (An Atheist's Story) if you'd like to understand why I do the things I do here on YouTube.
I don't mean to start something up, but Christians visit atheist channels all the time. They criticize the content often in rude ways.
The issue here is whether or not the person who posted the video allows comments, or censors some, or even all comments. Quite a few Christian channels censor any dissenting opinions. Kudos to the guy who posted this and allows free speech.
However, atheists should avoid foul language on Christian channels like this one. It's a matter of context.
I was responding to a comment that you left 9 months ago which was this.
"...why are you here? It's one thing if Christians went to YOUR channel - but you go to Christian videos and post unecessary comments that are a result of you incapability to understand the gospels."
Well not all of us are dumb sheep and we think for ourselves. Jesus isn't the only shepherd and his way isn't the only way. It is a good way, but those sheep that follow him seem to put on blinders to the rest of us who follow another shepherd to the same destination and think that Jesus is the only shepherd. See? I can do parables and analogies too. =)
CrazyMastodon 4 months ago
@CrazyMastodon Hey Crazy Mastodon, I am glad that you watch Mark Driscoll, but would encourage you to realize that Jesus claimed to be the only way in John 14:6. Acts 4:12 also confirms that Christ is the only way. So, if Jesus is not a liar, which He is not because it is impossible for Him to lie Titus 1:2 and Hebrews 6:18, He must be the only way.
presbeee 4 months ago
@presbeee Sorry, you can't mix logic and religion, it doesn't work. Your argument only works if you believe the Bible, which I don't. Jesus claimed to be the only way according to people who wrote about him and then had their writings edited centuries later. Sorry, I'm glad you think that Jesus is the only way, but others like me don't. I certainly hope you don't believe in rapture, because you are most likely to be proven wrong in the next several hours. =)
CrazyMastodon 4 months ago
@CrazyMastodon If you do not believe that the Bible is the Word of God for reasons which are answered I'm sure by several distinguished intelligent people, what is your basis for believing that there are many shepherds to one destination?
presbeee 4 months ago
@presbeee History provides a basis for believing that there are many ways to God. If this wasn't the case, then one would expect that it's only the Christians that are producing 'good fruit'. That's just not true, though. People from other world religions make just as much (if not more) spiritual progress than do Christians.
Pythagoras211 6 days ago
@CrazyMastodon see " Why 2012 'enlightenment will lead to genocide" - by Chris White on Nowheretorun channel. No matter who or where you are, jungle or city - when you call out to any God at all, to see if any God is out there, Jesus is the only one to turn up - why? Cos there's only one.and it's Jesus -- I know from experience and i was a Darwinist, ''all roads lead to Rome, many paths to God'' type before that. In fact i wasnt even sure if God was real. He is.
IdaSputum 4 days ago
Good video, dumb title...
acpgiga 4 months ago
You don't have to be a sheep. You can acknowledge a greater power while still thinking for yourself. Why choose weakness? I doubt that's what God wants. For you to be helpless and pitiful. God helps those who help themselves.
rberg79 6 months ago
"i am a great sinner, and Christ is a great savior"
rdd217 8 months ago
I can't argue with christians being dumb sheep. Its a perfect analogy about all religious followers. keep bleating bleeding and plodding towards that pie in the sky. A computer with artificial intelligence once said: 'the pie is a lie'. Or was it cake?
I forget.
nikolaypr 10 months ago
@nikolaypr Why then, are you watching these videos? If, now, the good news we declare is in fact veiled, it is veiled among those who are perishing, 4among whom the god of this system of things has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the illumination of the glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might not shine through. Cor 4:3-4
peterm3964 5 months ago
Good news!
AwesomenessCat 10 months ago
Thanks for the good news. :D
Sorta made me recognize myself, so I know not all is lost yet. :D :D :D :D
BritneyAddicted4EVA 11 months ago
"Baaaah."
zbay777 11 months ago
Wow. The title alone just made my night. This is something I needed to hear. Pastor Mark= the shiz. Just saying..
TheRachael91 11 months ago
AMEN!!!
StretchArmSteve 1 year ago
That is lioterally the coolest way i've ever heard it put!!! Thanks mark!
rickclawson6969 1 year ago
What the...
THAT'S good news? Sounds like outsourcing all your problems to me.
themanofearth 1 year ago
@themanofearth His point is we are incapable of getting to God on our own. We MUST go through Jesus Christ who MUST do all of the work because we aren't able to do it. If you want to call it outsourcing then fine; but you have been commanded to repent of your lying, stealing, coveting, anger, and idolatry (among other things). Believe what God has told you and live. Disbelieve and die in your sins and you will eternally avoid "outsourcing" and face God's judgment yourself.
the13thof12 1 year ago 10
@the13thof12 "We MUST go through Jesus Christ who MUST do all of the work because we aren't able to do it." And yet he just got through saying that religion tells you you're dirty, stinky, etc etc. He's just calling you handicapped and helpless.
"Disbelieve and die in your sins and you will eternally avoid "outsourcing" and face God's judgment yourself." Because God allowed a talking snake to exist? My response "Oh lord I thought if you existed that you'd prefer honesty to insincere belief."
themanofearth 1 year ago
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@themanofearth Have it your way.
the13thof12 1 year ago
@the13thof12 LMAO! What a pitiful reply. I don't know why I'm always so surprised when people who claim to be speaking the truth and then when it comes to defending it they can't seem to summon the strength or intellectual integrity to defend it. Do you really have that little respect for your own position?
themanofearth 11 months ago
@the13thof12 Thank you for speaking the truth. Don't bother responding to this guy again. He needs help.
TheFruitfulLife 1 year ago
@TheFruitfulLife And you're a coward or an intellectual invalid. Snide remarks from a person who has the arrogance to claim that he/she knows the will of the creator of the universe and thus knows everything worth knowing doesn't mean much accept to those who claim the same.
themanofearth 11 months ago
@the13thof12 "His point is we are incapable of getting to God on our own. We MUST go through Jesus Christ who MUST do all of the work because we aren't able to do it."
That depends on what kind of work. Because we can't do nothing RIGHT without God. But with faith in Jesus nothing is impossible and we can do lots of good things when we do them according to the word of God. In Jesus is salvation, but faith in Jesus must not be just a religious flag. Rather serving and live ONLY for our saviour.
TruthTriumph 3 months ago
@themanofearth wonder who the one dislike is (cough cough)? themanofearth maybe????
crangeyw11 11 months ago
@crangeyw11 Figure that out all by yourself? :-P I'm sorry but preachers like this are masterful con artists. It's actually kinda interesting on a certain level watching the sophomoric adulating sheep they attract. Though surrendering the intellect as one must to men willing to deceive people on the deepest level by manipulating their trust and teaching their children to do the same is beyond perverse.
themanofearth 11 months ago
@themanofearth i'm sorry but that is just not true. surrendering the intellect? its not like he is saying listen to me or die! people like Mark Driscoll because he is a good preacher who speaks truth. if you have a problem with truth, than that is something else entirely. he is not trying to be "marketable" for the public. he is a broker of truth.
crangeyw11 11 months ago
@crangeyw11 "its not like he is saying listen to me or die!"
You're right. It's worse than that isn't it? He's saying, "listen to me or burn for all eternity."
themanofearth 11 months ago
@themanofearth
...why are you here? It's one thing if Christians went to YOUR channel - but you go to Christian videos and post unecessary comments that are a result of you incapability to understand the gospels.
aveyowyns 11 months ago
@aveyowyns Well first, Christians DO go to my channel and leave comments. Second, I have read the Bible and part of the problem with it IS the fact that one can use (and indeed many have used) it to justify everything and anything from philanthropy to genocide in the name God/Jesus. No matter what you advocate by using the Bible you need to cherry pick your passages which means that if the Bible (in its entirety) gets anything right, it gets it right by accident. (continued...)
themanofearth 11 months ago
@themanofearth
Then deal with the Christians on YOUR channel.
It does not follow that because something can be used to justify anything, it is untrue (ie Social Darwinism: Hitler, Mao, Stalin, The Eugentics movement in America).
aveyowyns 11 months ago
@aveyowyns That's an odd comment to make since Social Darwinism only justifies a very specific set of principals that have wide ranging effects that ultimately are demonstrably harmful to society.
You've in effect just compared the legitimacy of the Bible to that of Social Darwinism and people who follow the Bible to Hitler, Mao and Stalin. Not the best comparison to make if you're attempting to make a case FOR the legitimacy or truth of the Bible.
themanofearth 11 months ago
@aveyowyns Third, as to why I'm here you should go to my channel (irony) and see a video: Why... (An Atheist's Story) if you'd like to understand why I do the things I do here on YouTube.
themanofearth 11 months ago
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@themanofearth
"What the...
THAT'S good news? Sounds like outsourcing all your problems to me"
This does not depict, in any way, that you have some sort of higher purpose for being a troll...
aveyowyns 11 months ago
@aveyowyns
I don't mean to start something up, but Christians visit atheist channels all the time. They criticize the content often in rude ways.
The issue here is whether or not the person who posted the video allows comments, or censors some, or even all comments. Quite a few Christian channels censor any dissenting opinions. Kudos to the guy who posted this and allows free speech.
However, atheists should avoid foul language on Christian channels like this one. It's a matter of context.
HellRehab 2 months ago
@HellRehab
So what?
aveyowyns 2 months ago
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@aveyowyns
I was responding to a comment that you left 9 months ago which was this.
"...why are you here? It's one thing if Christians went to YOUR channel - but you go to Christian videos and post unecessary comments that are a result of you incapability to understand the gospels."
I thought I was polite.
HellRehab 2 months ago