Palestinians in Israel mull election choices - 7 Feb 09

[Lagolop]

Ironic the way these bastards call Israel an apartheid state and that Jews are Nazis and racists. If that were true, why then is 25% of Israel NON JEWISH? These non Jews have full rights and in fact have the privilege to complain openly because Israel is a democracy. The way the non Jews breed, soon Israel, like many European countries will be swamped with muslims, then what?

[swordofjutice]

Nothing can help the palistine people, they are to far gone down the path of hate and murder to ever come back to humanity. Like most muslims they are lost to this world and are trying hard to ruin it for others as well.

[mylordsservant01]

This is rediculas if they don't like the goverment and the elections I belive iran and many other Islamiic nations are near them. Isreal belongs to isreal. They just want full controlover the goverment to vote out isreal, and make it an islamic country.

[ma11ohad]

you can not be a palestinian Israeli. you can be a palestinian or an Israeli. if they live in Israel and have an Israeli citizenship they are Israelis not palestinians. Al jazeera do your home work

[romolus2000]

ho!!!!!! my friend you are right, thank you for this feedback

[coldbloodykiller5]

aljazerra is a news boradcast system who we gonna beilive u or the news

[fuelairburst]

2009 has started really well,hundreds of hamas are dead thanx to the brave idf warriors. happy new year.

[4Love10]

you NOT HUMAN,sorry you some kind of monster,which race are you???

[MCH1984]

It is truly a glorious time to be alive; the only good durka is a dead one. The IDF rock.

[alexei3333]

What wrong with you people.

Muslim kill every where,last 50 years 11 milions muslims killed by another muslims.

They kill millions In Africa,They already kill thousands Americans and Europeans.

Islam hate freedom,Islam hate us.They want destroy West.

[alexpa6]

if arabs are not happy in israel , they can go outside

[openmind301]

they are living in their homes before israel terrorists occupied it !

they are the original owners, yet they are treated in a racist way !

[xxashyy]

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[samer721]

Am not going to vote forget this none sens crap.

If arabs want to vote, they should vote Liberman not because am Racist NO, just to show the world the true face of Israel.

Oh and its the opposite, Israel came and occupied my land they should proof their loyal to me not other way around.

[ovadia222]

sam, Thanks to Israeli democracy you may vote to any party of your choice. This right is denied from most Arabs in Arab countries who are still with regimes of the medieval age. Say thanks to Allah for living in Israel. Say thanks for the first class health services you get. Top universities you have access to. Free press. Freedom of culture and arts. freedom to worship in your own way. freedom to vote. freedom to speak. Where else can you find it in the Midle fcuking East?

[xxashyy]

Well Listen you talk about Israel's voting for any party of there choice, but when it came for the Palestinians to vote Hamas in the US government and Israel decided that democracy is a no no. So do you and the US government believe in democracy or not? Or do you believe in democracy only to serve some devious political aims in the Middle East?

[ovadia222]

xxa, i told you that being ignorant of the facts and showing it off is very silly. and you appear to be very ignorant. and therefore very very silly. It was Israel who approved participation of Hamas in the 2006 elections. That's how they were elected, stupid. We are not against Hamas existance. We are against all those who plan and take action to hurt us. Learn the facts first, idiot!

[xxashyy]

Nice personal attacks but answer the question. Why does Israel arrest Christian for proselytizing if Israel is a western style democracy?? Also If Israel had always recognized Hamas why are they talking to the Abbas MORE rather than the elected Hamas government to make deals? Also WHY now are they trying to destroy HAMAS in this war in Gaza?

[ovadia222]

look xxa, you have reached the maximum level of stupidity I can absorb from one Ytuber in one hour.

Threshold exceeded!

*** Game over ***

[xxashyy]

It says in the article. "Israel has laws against missionary work, and for many here, proselytizing is dangerously close to the forced conversions European Jews endured for centuries."

And it is still illegal for adults to proselytize children.

[xxashyy]

And there is wide spread Discrimination of arabs in Israel. Read this LA times article "Arabs say Israel is not just for Jews" or the haaretz article It "smells like discrimination". I didn't make this stuff up these are the facts.

[electango]

It's weird. When the Israeli military occupation of Gaza ended in 2005, there was not left behind one single Jewish person in Gaza. And not one on you Islamic civil rights activists complained that Jews are no longer allowed to live in Gaza. Why should Israel be a place for Arabs when when the Arabs take over a place in Palestine the first thing they do is make it Arabs Only? Get a grip!

[tancred69]

When did the Arabs take over a place in Palestine? You say there were no Jewish people in Gaza, this is true. There were only IDF soldiers conducting raids as well as a blockade of the economy and closed borders. If you treat people as animals you will breed hatred. Use your brain and dont just parrot things you hear on TV. Maybe you can go back to first grade, it may help.

[electango]

The Israeli military occupation of Gaza ended in 2005. All Jews who lived in Gaza had to leave as they would have been raped and murdered by the Hamas gangster thugs immediately. Get up to speed.

[xxashyy]

The occupation is still alive and well in Gaza the blockade and the settlements are in full effect. If Israel would release they iron grip control of Gaza then maybe youd have a point.

[electango]

The Israeli military occupation of Gaza ended in 2005. Not one single Jewish person is allowed to live in the Gaza Strip. The blockade of Gaza is maintained by Israel as a self defense measure, but not only by Israel. Also by Egypt. So it's not an iron grip by Israel. Egypt also opposed the gangster thugs of Hamas because Egypt knows they are murderers and rapists who need to be out of power completely.

[saladinthe]

No its did not. Israel merely pulled back the illegal settlements and at the same time and since then has increased the size of Settlements in not just the West bank but the Golan heights and east Jerusalem.

In 2004 7,826 settlers left the Gaza strip.

Since 2004 47,913 new Illegal Settlers have settled in the West Bank Alone!

The normal level of humanitarian supplies about 700 trucks daily yet since 2007 only 150 Truck loads have been allowed daily.

Get your facts right!!!!

[electango]

There is at present not a single Jew in Gaza. The Jews were ethnically cleansed from Gaza in 2005. Thus, as I said, the Israeli military occupation of Gaza ended in 2005. In return for the end to the occupation in Gaza, the Arabs of Gaza allowed Hamas to take power and to initiate aggressive military attacks upon Israeli civilians living in southern Israel. Thus, it would be foolish for Israel to allow any supplies into Gaza or to withdraw settlers or settlements from the West Bank.

[electango]

In fact, the proper strategy for Israel would be to seize the Gaza Egyptian border area in order to stop the Hamas murderers and rapists from receiving any military supplies from Iran and to increase West Bank settlement activity. Any other strategy at this time under present conditions on the part of the State of Israel endangers the Israeli people.

[ovadia222]

salad, 1) what's wrong with Jews settling in and developing their lands? No Arab was deported or transferred as a result.

2) why should I allow even one truck into enemy territory governed by an inhumane extreme Islamo-Fascist organization? while at the same time their border crossing to Egypt (Rafah) is tightly closed?

3) Are you mad?

[xxashyy]

Israel is a hyper ethnoreligious state and only a "democracy" for Jews while Arabs and Christians are 2nd class citizens. Thats a fact.

[ovadia222]

xxa, Why spam without evidence? what rights are denied from Moslems and Christians in Israel? coming from a country that only recently gave voting rights to women and blacks, it sounds even more ridicules. The ignorant who think they know, are the worst kind.

[xxashyy]

Israel had just recently to my knowledge had broken up several Arab parties there during the Israeli government's slaughter in Gaza. If Israeli's a so called western style democracy why did they do that? Christians and Muslims in Israel cannot convert in Israel unlike in most western democracies. Also Jewish marriages of other faith's are not recognized by the Israeli government.

[ovadia222]

xxa, They did not, you ignorant. Ask sam. cannot convert? why not? many do. There are also marriages between Arabs (muslim and christians) and Jews. why not?

[xxashyy]

The can marry, but the point is WHY wont the Israel government recognize them as legitimate marriages? Also it's Illegal to convert Jews to Christians in Israel, in the United States there is no such thing. So if Israel's a so called "democracy" why does the government arrest people for converting Jews?

[ovadia222]

xxa, your mind is full with foolish misinformation. They get married all right, they have full rights. They get payments from National Social Security. and it is not illegal to convert to whatever you want. There is no law against it. if you think there is, show me.

[xxashyy]

Also darker Arabs are discriminated against in Israel when it comes to jobs and housing in certain Jewish neighborhood. These are all documented FACTS from various news sources. So put that in you pipe and smoke it ovadia.

[samer721]

Don't forget the Druze, they serve Israel in the army and civil service yet their situation is even worse than the moslems and christens.

[ovadia222]

sam, in what way exactly are the Druze in Israel worse off than me? having the equal right to post comments here, doesnt give you the freedom to spread lies. you filthy liar. We want facts not lies.

[light4321]

The Middle East is a palce of darkness , the only country the light take place is Israel , God blass Israel

[mrfarraj1]

the only cause of wars and insecurity in the middle east is israel.

may god destroy israel.

[ovadia222]

Ammen! Aman! Amin!

[ovadia222]

Hey Arabs! Watch and learn. This is democracy in action. Learn and go back to your countries. Turn them into democracies. This is your only chance. Go on the xtreme Islaam route and you're all dead in 10 years.

Better go democracy.

Long Live Israel! - The ONLY democracy in the Fcuking Middle East.

[mrfarraj1]

you must me joking or in drugs or something. israel by no mean is a democracy.

[ovadia222]

Why do you think Israel is not a democracy? can you substantiate dear? Is your country (Saudi Arabia) a better more advanced demcracy? What do you - an Arab under an all-power-monarchy - know about democracy? Ikhras!

[mrfarraj1]

occupation, discrimination, no freedom for criticism, no free press, no international media is allowed, human right activist are not allowed and some times murdered.... and the list goes on and on.

the government of sa is not a democracy and it is corrupted and unpopular too. it is a puppet of the US and hence it work for israels interests. but at least its harm is just on its own people.

[ovadia222]

What occupation? in Israel? that's occupation too? No discrimination. Arabs in Israel get same rights and services like me. Full freedom - do you know how many demonstrations by Arabs took place in Israel during the war? with Palestinians flags in the center of Tel Aviv? You dont. International media (incl. AlJazira) can travel and report anywhere in Israel. Human right organizations active (too active for my taste) all over. Every Friday they demonstrate against the Fence in Naalin... LOL

[OrphanPaper]

the very reason Palestinians were terrorized from there homes , to change the demographics of voting , the failed state of israel ,

[elitemathlete]

Quit your whining babies.

Democracy isnt much more fair in the rest of the world.

[covertcovenant]

If there are any Israeli's watching this, and maybe reading this comment....I would like to pose this question to you....do you not think that this hard line non compromising Zionist path most Israelis walk on is a path to self destruction? Now The Zionist's have the power, the money, the might, and the voices of reason within Israel are stifled, but time will change the demographic from within, it is inevitable. Why not be reasonable now, while you are ahead, and make genuine dignified peace?

[Stake8Junior]

"non compromising"? "peace"? Israel would love to get the hell out of the west bank (Gaza is not occupied) and assist Palestine being Singapore (1.5 times denser than Gaza strip). 65% percent of israelis support that. At the 2006 elections 70% of the Palestinians vote for Hamas, which means: no for peace, no for conciliation, no for Jews living on planet earth and especially not even 1 square inch of a Jewish state inside the Middle East. Did you read Hamas political platform?

[Stake8Junior]

Do you think Obama should\can make peace with Al-Qa`eda\Ben Laden?

PS: I'm israeli, and supporting a free Palestinian state inside 67 borders with safe Israel alongside it.

[electango]

Many Israelis are self destructive. You can't have Israel alongside a Palestinian state. Once the Palestinian state is established, it will be hours before Hezbollah moves in and establishes offensive capabilities. Within days missiles will rain down upon Jewish communities in central Israel. The answer for the Jewish people is absorption of Gaza into Egypt with full Egyptian citizenship for Gazans and absorption of the WestBank into Jordan with full Jordanian citizenship for WestBankers.

[ovadia222]

electa, from your keyboard to G-d's ears. But do you believe Jordan and Egypt (Arabs states, i remind you) will accept their Arab brothers? I wish. Perhaps this is the new American foreign policy that Obama mentioned?

[electango]

A Palestinian state alongside Israel will end in a huge war which will make the Gaza Conflict of last month look like a picnic in the park. In order to avoid this disaster, the concept of Palestinians as devised by Yassir Arafat in 1964 must be ended. Those Arabs must be place into other body politics which can manage them. They have shown complete inabilities to manage themselves. Whether the Muslim US President Hussein Obama will make this happen is very very doubtful. He is anti Israel.

[thaitea10]

I got news for you; President Obama is NOT Muslim. He ate Spam, for heaven's sakes.

[electango]

Muslims do lots of unmuslim things. They drink beer and whiskey in mass quantities, for example. Obama the Muslim favors martinis, or so I hear.

[tancred69]

Dont condem a whole group of people for what a few bad apples do. The more racism and bigotry you spout the more contempt you will fuel.

[bajawind]

when your leader are war criminals--the hands of the people are dirty too.

[electango]

A few bad apples? Lots of people who are Muslim drink alcohol. Some Muslim nations allow people to drink alcohol and they drink. I think people should be free to drink alcohol as long as they don't hurt others as when they drive after drinking. Those are merely opinions. I'm entitled to my opinions, aren't I?

[electango]

The answer for the Jewish people is to absorb the Palestinians into Jordan and Egypt and to end this experiment called Palestine. The Palestinians cannot get themselves organized. When they are absorbed into Egypt and Jordan, the Egyptians and the Jordanians can manage the affairs of the Palestinians and clean up the mess they've made of things. Anything else will result in the end of Israel.

[tancred69]

An experiment called Palestine? Are you a fool? The civilization is thousands of years old. It goes back before any of the three major religions were formed. Im sure you want all black people to go back to Africa and all other ethnic groups to go back to their countries. You are a racist bigot.

[electango]

Your ignorance is overwhelming. The Palestinians as a nation never existed. The concept of Palestinians was invented by the homosexual gangster thug Yasser Arafat. 100 years ago, Arabs in Palestine were Syrians under Ottoman Turkish rule. Syria is an organized nation with one government and one army. The Palestinians have no government and multiple armies. They have failed the Arabs of Palestine utterly and totally.

[electango]

Since the experiment of Palestine has utterly and totally failed the Arabs of Palestine, those Arabs should be absorbed into nations which have not failed as nations (i.e. Jordan and Egypt). This is common sense. BTW, playing the race card doesn't work with me.

[maumin786]

This notion that Palestine never existed only shows how deplorable your knowledge of history is. The name Peleshet (פלשת Pəléshseth) usually translated as Philistia in English or Palaestina in Latin dates to pre biblical time i.e. the BC's. UN Partition of Palestinian in 1947. Arabs got 43% of the land despite the fact that they made over 66% of the population and owned over 92% of the land. Jews got 56% of the land while they comprised only 33% of the population and owned 8% of the land.

[electango]

In 1948, the Arab States evicted hundreds of thousands of Arab Jewish citizens from their homelands knowing beforehand that the only place where they would be allowed to go was the State of Israel. In return, the Arab States were morally obligated to absorb the hundreds of thousands of Arab refugees from the Arab Israeli War of 1948. This never happened and today Palestinians remain in never never land as refugees. All due to the Arabs inhumanity towards their own brothers.

[ovadia222]

maur, Pelishtim ceased to exist as a people or a culture in the BC's. Originally they came from the west Mediterranean. Peleshet is derived from the root פלש (=invade). Most people who call themselves Falastinians today came to this land after the British took over in early 20th Cent. The first wave were Egyptian peasants settle by Ibrahim Pasha in 1831. 1857 AlHuseini clan deported by the Ottoman rulers from the Algiers. 1869 diggers of the Suez canal were not allowed to return to Egypt...

[Stake8Junior]

Actually, the territory conflict has sort of ended at the Camp David talks at 2000 (back to 67 borders). We all know that the final agreement will be based on what has been achieved in Camp David. But Arafat had one more demand, and that's the right of the refugees to return into Israel (?!), not into Palestine which means 2 palestine states and 0 israel. No home for jews, 2 homes for Palestinians, and thats why the talks failed.

[ovadia222]

why 2? They want 3 palestinian states: One is Jordan (with Palestinian majority since independence), Two - in the west bank, and a third, as you described, instead of Israel. No, we do not all know that is is the solution. No more territory will be given to Palestinias. They turn it into an outpost for the Iranians (as Hamas did in Gaza after we left it in 2005). Do you think we are crazy and sick?

[Stake8Junior]

Occupying the west bank and blockading Gaza is the only way of Israel to protect its safety. Unilateral withdraw (as we all learned from the Gaza withdraw) will lead to a mini Iran in Israel's backyard. Israel occupied the west bank and Gaza in 67 in order to fight the constant terror attacks it undertook from those territories. The settlements policy was a mere mistake, but now we all know that evacuating settlements won't bring peace.

[Lagolop]

@covertcovenant I am not Israeli but I have a response to yours. How about this; all palis go back to THEIR homeland ie Jordan and elsewhere where they have their own arab brethren and leave Israel to the Jews. After all, Israel is THEIR homeland and they should stop slicing off bits in exchange for a peace that never will be.

[Yitzhakhazak]

@covertcovenant

Who or what says that changed demographics from within, as you call it, will change the status of israel as the Jewish State? Israel Arabs will not be able to retain their rifht of vote at the national level for the very simple reason that Israel, which they consider as being the enemy, is neither their state nor their nation. There will be some kind of a second Palestinian state an d Arabs will be citizens in it and no longer in Israel.

Why are you so naive?

[covertcovenant]

@Yitzhakhazak Well friend, I believe it is not me that is naive, rather you that is shrouded and clouded in stringent Zionist fervor. If your age is correct as indicated on your channel, I can honestly not imagine you being still blind sided with one type of ideology at such an age to not want to have a life for your children and grandchildren that consists of mutual respect with those that are your neighbors? I really think it is the hard line non compromising Israelis that are naive.

[justjeshb]

50% is still better than most US elections! If the Palesteinians in the West Bank and Gaza were allowed to vote, if they all had a massive voting drive, they could really make a difference. If the Israel parties lost power like that then they'd have to take dramatic measures to restore it, and that would show their true character.

[ODK1413]

bahasa jawi satu bahasa satu nusantara

hidup islam palestin

hidup melayu patani

hidup melayu sulu

takbir

[Steadno]

lol fake jews have no bounds

[covertcovenant]

oyoyoy so aggressive again are we?

[covertcovenant]

Don't be a shmuck or a putz! Be nice :) That hate will kill ya...

[starcatcher7777]

TheDemon:

Convert:

CONTEMPT IS NOT HATE .. NOW GO GET YOUR BLOW JOB FROM A RATTLESNAKE and play Green Peace!

Let them come to power? LOL

Tell them if they dont like it go to Gaza! That is why the goat fuckers beg to come to the west any place but where they have to live in the shit they made!

[covertcovenant]

Now there you go again with that foul language. I am starting to think you are no older than 16, OR your parents never taught you any manners? OR you got that sickness with seizures where you just start cursing and yelling out bad words? I truly hope it is neither for you buddy.

[kretinkooper]

Those Islamic extremists and their supporters should look for work to put bread and butter on the table. Blowing buses up full of civilians is not a negotiating tool.

[NoMatch2Me]

neither IS massacring humans indiscriminately and flatening their houses from the skies or buid new settlements on the west bank as approved, JUST RECENTLY by Barak....so yeah u can keep rationalizing this however u c fit..while u grab all the land one settlement at a time..and who knows maybe in 60 years from now u ll deny Gaza ever existed..peace will certainly not come from mentally enslaved, cloistered homunculi like u..

[ovadia222]

People giving shelter to terrorists (or whatever you call them) will die together with the terros. Homes, schools, mosques (masajid) and any place that is storage to arms and ammunition will be flattened. why not? it's war.

Why not build another settlement? it's not built on Arab private property. The only official country that once claimed ownership of that land (Jordan) has forfeited its claim and signed a peace agreement with Israel. Why not build? is it better to destroy?

[starcatcher7777]

NoMatch:

No Muslim is a member of Humanity any more than a Rabid Dog is a pet: Would you call a baby raper a prophet? or a Butcher?!

[Cage71]

there is no butter or bread what do you suggesr ...wild cabbage ???

[kretinkooper]

You elect Islamic terrorism, therefore you don't matter.

[Cage71]

its democracy to vote for your choice , what about extreme right wing  votes in europe

[kretinkooper]

It's not Democracy, Hamas throwing off buildings Fatah members in a coup.

[Cage71]

its normal to resist occupation and by international law israel invaded 1967 territory which make israeli military ligitimate target

[kretinkooper]

The Palestinians shouldn't of faught with Jordan and Egypt, launching war against Israel in 1967. The Palestinians lost everything then, they're lucky to be still living in Israel. You would be wise supporting a 2 State deal, hurry it's slipping away.

[trabaly]

the last war will be the last one we have been lerning from the past the nex war will be the last one

[trabaly]

do you realy know the meaning of terrorism i think you don,t know try to educate yourself it will be better for you before is too late..

[TheDemonPazuzu]

Israel can't claim to be a true democracy as it will never let its Arab citizens come to power when their population reaches a majority.

[ovadia222]

Demon, how do you know this? what's you complaint exactly? and yes, show me ONE arab democratic country. Then we talk.

[bluesbegedel]

How about Lebanon & Iraq (Recently)?

[ovadia222]

blues, Lebanon? where one faction keeps its own army (Hizbola) and the gov is unable to govern? you call that a democracy?

Iraq? remains to be seen if and after the Americans leave the place. I wish them success and prosperity. Perhaps it will become a trend in the Arab world. It's their only hope.

[bluesbegedel]

As long as Hizbullah loyals to the weak legitimate government & not seizes the power by a coup, it's fine then. The same rules should be applied also to those Christian Phallangist.

[ovadia222]

blues, but Hizbola are not loyal to the central gov. They are loyal to Iran. A few months ago they swamped Beirut with armed forces and seized strategic locations in the city in an attempt to blackmail Senyora. He was hiding somewhere. Look, to understand the complexities of Lebanon you need a whole mid size university. it's an attempt to maintain a delicate balance of fear. It is certainly not what we envisage when we say democracy.

[bluesbegedel]

Hizbullah does loyal to the country. Hizbullah only receives funding from Iran. The conflict in Beirut a few months ago was only a conflict between political factions in Lebanon...

[ovadia222]

listen to me, blues. you know little about Lebanon. It's my job to know. Hizbola receives arms and money from Iran. FYI - political conflicts between parties in a democracy are not solved by gunmen (who are not state police force) in the streets. Oh G-d, please teach the Indonesians about democracy basics. The main thing:

Israel celebrates democracy on Tuesday again!

Long live the Jewish State.

G-d bless the Jewish people who taught democracy to the world.

[bluesbegedel]

Yes i agree with you that Hizbullah receives army & money from Iran. However if you wanna ask me what make gunmen take the role of state police, it's because neighboring countries like your country and Syria has weaken Lebanon's ability to keep it's internal security effectively, especially during the Lebanese Civil War. Also there is no assurance when your country will gonna strikes again like you did in 2006. If Israel calling herself democratic, please respect the rights of Arab Israelis...

[TheDemonPazuzu]

Yes, I saw the recent Iraqi elections on television that was won thanks to the war your nation wanted, but refused to bleed for. You're welcome, by the way.

No, what I said is the absolute truth: you people will continue its bigoted policies against the Arabs. I mean, we only recently witnessed a genocidal bloodbath in Gaza.

You should feel shame for your nation's brutal policies genocide and torture.