So is vaLLarrr gone again? The last vaLLarrr must have blown the "church" or said the wrong thing and got sent to the RPF or something.
The new replacement vaLLarrr is probably getting trained in the fine art of posting *rollseyes*, "Oh SUUUUURE it is!", and the definition of "claim" at this very moment.
Assuming there's anyone left to replace the last vaL, that is. So few Scientologists these days.
I dunno... I haven't read any posts by Val in over 2 weeks, and it's Thursday, and still nothing. I am disappoint. And hopeful. :) Maybe Val DID finally read Debbie's mail.
Just goes to show us all that vaL was/is not the *free-and-able,* free-thinking individual s/he promoted itself to be. IF s/he was, vaL could post here and say either way; one way or the other.
No, vaL was *pulled.* vaL is now doing what it always did : 0beying 0rders.
Maybe it should just be policy to beat up Scientologists semi-regularly? Hmm, ok the porch is painted, the dog has had its shots....oh yeah! Lets head down the mall and beat some sciendroologists up! Hope the locals havent beaten us to it again......
cruise is the biggest asshole, joke , stupid jerk and the worst an actor in our time. Him and his wife and the rest of the celebrities are bunch of idiots who have been brainwashed by the memebers of the scientology ( the EVIL'S ORGANISATIONS) who is ripping pp from their money!!! cruise is such a stupid tyran I am so happy Nicole Kidman left him and didn't waste her life with this creature!!!
Mike Rinder, the executive in this video, left Scientology (and had to give up his family) and is now one of the biggest voices against this Thug Cult. I say it's a thug cult because their high ranking members go after people just like a mafia thug would do. They are not nice people.
$cientology is a money-hungry cult, a $¢am and it's abusive & criminal, to boot: its modus operandi & "philosophy" being to operate *above the law* and the ends justify the means.
This is best encapsulated in its slogan & battle-cry "Clear the Planet," meaning to make this a Scientology or "$cientology-run" world. Even its "org-board," short for organizing board, a schematic of the org's post titles (with names - if manned), duties, etc., by division, dept., section,etc. has a spot for "gov't."
To me, this is something else entirely. Being a celebrity can drive you insane. WHen you say "tom cruise" you don't think of a person, you think of an idol, or item, that entertains you. This can destroy people. This scientology stuff is obviously not real, but I think it is a way for people who are known worldwide, to come together as a group and find peace. You would to if everyone knew you, and voiced their extreme opinions on you everyday.
Yep, you still got nothin'. Keep posting the definition of "claim" and *rolleyes* while the unethical "church" of Scientology implodes around you. I've got plenty of popcorn to eat in the meantime.
@mrlogicalman1 Yea exactly, those Christians knew how to through a party and put on a show. $cientologist's skulk around in their cheap suits and goofy uniforms hiding in the closet playing with their dime store lie detectors and play dough.
@vaLLarrr what should have debbie cook done then val? how should she have conveyed her thoughts without being a nutcase? you have issues with certain scientology practices, maybe you two should get together and figure out a way to convey these grievances without looking like a "nutcase", that way you can actually fight the problem at the source instead of just "dealing" with it.
Of course you're avoiding the subject vaL - you're still doing it right now.
I'll give you another chance.
1. Did you read the Debbie Cook mass-email? A simple yes or no please.
2. Did you agree with any of what Debbie said about the problems that need to be addressed and fixed in the CoS, and the LRH references used in her argument?
3. If you disagree, what would YOU do differently? How would you get around the proper chain of command not being in place under Miscavige?
and I have ALWAYS said that one should resist being asked for more money than one can afford.
and there is absolutely NOTHING new about that whatsoever.
and of course there may be some out tech issues occurring.
just how did she try to fix it?
and what's wrong with telling anyone they shouldn't be involved in any off policy actions, which have occurred from time to time even when Hubbard was alive.
So all she said you have said before? Why did you call her a nutcase then, Val?
So you do agree that David Miscavige is off-policy and that he removed the check-and-balances system that LRH put in place to prevent a single person to have that much power in Scientology?
And again: What else could Debbie have done but message other $cientologists?
So she is a "nutcase" because she should have sent each of those thousands of identical e-mails individually instead of sending one group e-mail? What would that have changed except make it take WEEKS instead of a second?
And you call ME an idiot? Seriously?
So you do agree that DM is off-policy and removed the checks-and balances system LRH put in effect?
you're just too much of an idiot to realize that I don't blame MISCAVIGE for outnesses, any more than one could have blamed LRH for the myriad outnesses that existed while he was alive.
Please refresh my memory as to when you've ever said anything critical about David Miscavige or the way he in particular is running Scientology.
Debbie Cook of course lays responsibility for a lot of the "out tech" issues with Miscavige's leadership. Do you disagree? Is that why you were so quick to dismiss Cook as a "nutcase"?
oh, I have no proof that MISCAVIGE is doing any of these things PERSONALLY.
even LRH HIMSELF couldn't prevent Scientologists from doing off policy things, some very high up and CLOSE to him, and he had to remove them PERSONALLY at times.
What, so someone else removed the checks-and-balances system in $cientology and David Miscavige, the only man to profit from this act, who personally sent most members of said checks-and-balances system to the RPF, had nothing to do with it and didn't even notice and try to do something about it? Is that seriously what you are saying, Val?
The outguesses she saw were THE REMOVAL OF THE CHECKS-AND-BALANCES SYSTEM and DM PRESSURING $CIENTOLOGISTS FOR OFF-POLICY DONATIONS.
What exactly was she supposed to do about these high crimes by the HEAD of $cientology, except inform as many other Scientologists as she could? Why haven't YOU done anything? Did you not notice the obvious or did you choose to ignore it so your cult wouldn't label YOU as a "nutcase" and an apostate?
I'd give you kudos if I didn't know you were a lying bitch, Val. So you "always told people to resist being over regged". Awesome.
Meanwhile, Debbie Cooks wrote a lengthy email to thousands of Scientologists using LRH policies to prove that David Miscavige's constant over regging is off-policy, and actually made an impact - but YOU call her a "nutcase".
Val, how long has the over regging been happening? Who organizes those "fund raising BBQ's"? Where does the money go?
Come on, Val, you can't tell me Miscavige doesn't even KNOW this is going on. Hell, he IS at a lot of those events.
Who else but David Miscavige could be behind the over regging, Val? Which evil genius manages to organize hundreds of fundraising events and tunnel the money to the IAS WITHOUT DM KNOWING ABOUT IT?
So you are sticking with the story that David Miscavige is not behind or even aware of the over regging and doesn't do anything about it?
Val, you can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourse... oh right, forgot who I was talking to. Scratch that.
You DO believe Hubbard is going to come back one day, don't you? What do you think he'll say to you concerning you defending David Miscavige shitting on his policies?
So you are saying "you don't know" if David Miscavige know about the extensive over regging in his own organization? He'd be a pretty shitty leader if he didn't, wouldn't he? Especially since all that money goes to the IAS.
Do you really want to play dumb, Val? That would actually BE dumb, but with you , you never know.
Yeah, looks like David Miscavige had no idea what was going on - as is evident in this video: blogs. villagevoice. com/runninscared/2011/07/scientology_lov_1. php
"gee, just as if Hubbard put in a system of "checks and balances.""
Yeah, it's called the "Qualifications Division," more specifically, the "Corrections Dept."
"I have ALWAYS told people to resist being over regged."
Didn't the Phatman tell you that "one becomes what one resists?" It was one of its maxims. But "resisting" doesn't "prevent" over-regging. They ALL resist it. That's why they keep donating - according to your phatman guru, that is.
And thus vaLLarrr's little disingenuous act gets destroyed by cold hard facts again.
You'd think that vaL would realize by this point that pretending to be ignorant of how things work inside the scam of Scientology isn't going to stop the truth from being exposed by those who know better.
@vaLLarrr LOL! You actually believe Miscavige isn't behind the regging? I suppose he didn't have a clue about the dopes in squirrel busters t-shirts and cranium cams either? Everything that happens in your phony "church" is ordered by Miscavige. You're probably just afraid that if you criticize the sociopathic dwarf you'll get sent to the RPF like Heber and Shelly. You may want to read Debbie Cook's e-mail again Val.
That's it - keep avoiding the subject of the internal strife tearing at Scientology.
I hope you have a back-up plan for when your fantasy-world of Scientology's unfettered growth and superiority comes crashing down on your indoctrinated head.
Meanwhile, those who are more "free and able" can:
Not surprising in general, but disappointing in this case since you yourself have previously echoed some of the complaints Debbie Cook makes in her email about the rampant greed and hard-sell in the CoS.
Sounds like you're in a "condition of fear". Afraid that you'll "lose your case gain" if you say the wrong thing or agree with the wrong person? Many Scientologists are. It's part of how your unethical "church" mind-controls you.
@vaLLarrr So Debbie Cook is a nutcase for blowing the whistle on Miscavige and his henchmen ? So I guess Karen Silkwood, Daniel Ellsberg ,John Dean, Joe Valachi, Boris Yeltsin were all "nutcases" and should have tried to fix things internally eh ?
Or maybe by "fix" things you mean that Debbie should have staged a Coup d'état and murdered Miscavige like he did Hubbard and assume control. Is that what you meant vaL ?
@vaLLarrr Here's part of a conversation between Rathbun and Michael Doven (one of DM's main guys):
MARTY: What I'm doing with it is applying it. Applying it as it was intended to be applied. And making it safe for others to do so. You guys gotta wake up and smell the coffee, man. The Church is dead, man.
MICHAEL: That's not true for me and thousands of others, but if that's true for that's true for you, and I'm sorry to hear that.
Really vaL? All the valid observations that were made by us about Debbie Cook's email over the last day and THAT'S the best response you can come up with?
How could a "nutcase" run Flag for 17 years? -Aside from the obvious nuttiness that goes with being a Scientologist in the first place of course.
How about Debbie's point-by-point use of Hubbard policy to back her position?
How about the normal chain of command that Miscavige has thrown into the RPF?
Val,so a nutcase was captain of flag at clearwater and nobody noticed-that means co$ is flawed and your high ot's inept or Debbie is sane and telling the truth that your cult is flawed and your managment inept.Wake up Val
The Eugenics-ocultists-bilderbergs-bohemian groves people MADE A REAL SCIENTOLOGY FOR A FEW HUNDRED OF PEOPLES AND THE AFTER THINK : WHAT WE DO WITH THE REST ON EARTH WHO HAVE MILLIONS IN CASH? ANSWER: WE MADE A FALSE PLACEBO SCIENZTOLOGY CHURCH
So how would she go about "fixing" the situation with any other means, Val? Request an audience and lecture little David Miscavige with quotes from the LRH policies he's violating? What was she supposed to do except make other Scientologists aware of this high crime?
@vaLLarrr So a "nut case" was the captain of Flag services for 17 years, undetected by all of those OT's? Sure are a lot of "nut cases" in your cult Val, although you never refer to them as such until they blow, or kill someone like your "Minister" Rex Fowler.
So true CS. How they fail to see the comparisons between $cientology and a 1984 world is beyond me; especially, after they're pointed out. They're all heroes and/or *Kha-Khans* (one of Hubbard's titles for someone who could do no wrong and had NINE LIVES because of his past production or good deeds that furthered or enhaced the group's survival in a big way) UNTIL THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE CRIME $YNDICATE.
Debbie Cook was such a person. As was Fowler, Slatkin, et al. ;D
@vaLLarrr How should have debbie handled the situation then val? you are too stupid and lazy to even define how she should have fixed it. all you can do is sit there and call debbie a nutcase.
naturally, you fail at sustaining a logical argument.
Thousans of e-mails sent to people who trust and respect her,you mad Val.You will see the knock on effect this will have in the next couple of months,picture the domino effect Val but with dead space aliens.2012 is starting with a bang my friend
LOL, you don't know the person who was captain of Flag, your cult's "religious mecca", for 17 years? Rrrrright...
Now that she has criticized how off-policy David Miscavige is and proved it by citing some of Hubbard's policies, she's suddenly become a non-person in your cult. What a surprise. Doesn't change the fact that she's started a shitstorm amongst your fellow cultists.
@vaLLarrr Why did debbie Cook write those things? why do nut cases keep infiltrating Sci in order to abandon it and then make outrageous comments about Sci doctrine? Is this just a big conspiracy of lies and witch hunting in order to bring scientology down, in the same fashion to which the nazis brought down the jews in ww2? I only believe in what I observe and I believe this all to be just a big conspiracy and debbie cook is a nutter.
@Spindry96 i think for one, scientology, unlike many religions such as christianity, islam, and judaism, the origins are known; it was a sci fi writer, a pedophile, (hubbard) who started it. his works are dichotomous and his intentions were scary. bible doesnt say anything about curing "gay" or killing your child with CORN SYRUP or fighting anyone who disagrees, the qur'an as well. little side note theres much more knowledge in older religions texts, theres nothing to be found in scientology
@Spindry96 Probably the fact you HAVE to pay money to learn more about the cult "religion" you have joined, paying to reach a higher level of understanding. Then there's the brainwashing, and the punishments, physical and psychological, threats when they want to leave. The harm they do to people, their families/friends etc. Whats to NOT hate about a religion that does all that and more.
At least Christians, Catholics, (and others), have a choice, Scientologists are puppets.
@4RedDwarf3 You don't have to pay anymore. Thanks to Anonymous, their manuscripts and bullshit bible about OT levels has been leaked to the internet a long time ago. Google "thepiratebay scientology"
@Spindry96 Um but at least other religions have shut down their galley slave busniess in the 18th century. Scientology still has SeaOrg, and we all know, why their flagship sails always on international waters, do we? Read some reports about the terrible conditions on that ship.
OH sure. and just WHO "decided" that the "scientific community," who have gotten it DEAD WRONG so OFTEN in the past, are the arbiters of truth and light in the universe?
Any religion that makes any sort of profit should be disregarded as anything else then a business. Anyone on this planet that's truly spiritual knows that the very very very last thing to do is make money, w2ich has absolute NO value for spiritual people. Any religious organization that ''needs'' money is a hoax, and all leaders of that specific organization knows this.
OMG, I thought I just read someone trying to defend Scientology. I think the E-meter would work better with a much higher voltage connected to it, like a Tazer. Like 'bang, fizz', 'wake up you bloody idiot', 'ok, you can leave now, take your wallet with you, just pay me for the battery from Tandy;. Lucky escape Nicole Kidman, I loved seeing your bare bum in Dead Calm.
@AnonRanGER01 It has already been proven to be true, due to the fact it has helped millions of people improve their lives. This Internet world you have come to live in holds no truth to the real one whatsoever, I suggest you leave and find TRUTH in the real world because this one holds nothing but lies.
@Xveldin YOU'RE MAKING SENSE TO YOURSELF, TOO BAD RELEVANCE DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. OH AND BY THEY WAY YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY JUST VALLARRR OR THEBORNIDIOT IN DISGUISE.
@GRENADEtheBAND MAKING BOLD LETTERS DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANYMORE LOUDER, retard. And I'm not Vallarrr, see, you're so in denial and fooled by the lies of the Internet that you start thinking everyone is the same, mistaking two people for one because they call you out on your Internet brainwashing.
@Xveldin IT'S CALLED CAPSLOCK, DIPSHIT. WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR GRANDSON TO PICK YOU UP AND GO PLAY BINGO AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO HANDLE.
@GRENADEtheBAND Now we get to the off topic insults... yeah, real intelligence quest here, see, the Internet is full of kids like you who just want to start fights and don't care about truth at all.
@Xveldin OK, THE TRUTH - YOUR RELIGION IS A CULT. THEY STEAL YOUR MONEY, TIME AND ENERGY. ARE YOU ACTUALLY HAPPY BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST? I'LL REPEAT THE AUDITING QUESTION...
@GRENADEtheBAND They are not my religion, I don't have one, I have only stated that I see some truth in their philosophical teachings, along with many others in this world such as Buddhism to Science. They say what is true for you is what you have observed and I have observed a little bit of truth in almost everything that teach truth on this world.
@Xveldin If you find that to be a compelling theological belief, so be it. Most of the world understands that "Belief" and "Faith" amount to nothing factually. What is true for you might be absolutely batshit insane to the other 99.999% of the world. So because you know something, it's automatically true? You my friend, are an idiot.
@GRENADEtheBAND What is true for me and what is true for you could be totally opposite things, in fact it is showing right now. Quote from Albert Einstein: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. It's common sense that is real truth here. And science is not the answer to ALL truth. Some truth comes in different forms to others, like love and beauty, science cannot prove they exist but you know it is real.
@Xveldin I understand your point of view, but you are mistaken. Just because us humans don't have the intellectual capacity and technologies yet to explain everything, doesn't mean we can't. We just can't yet. Science on itself will explain everything, because everything has to obey physical laws.
@cavello89 Maybe science will be able to provide proof of the spirit maybe it won't but that doesn't mean it does not exist... It is a mistake to put all of our faith in one subject like science... and the mind does not obey physical laws, it can go wherever it wants. Science is road to truth in the physical universe but not to who we are as humans, it cannot prove love or beauty exists but it is common sense to know those things are just as real as anything else.
@Xveldin Like i said before, eventually (in time) science will be able to explain the mind. I think you have to study the word (and meaning) of science a little better ;)
@cavello89 I can tell your age by your little emicon ";)". Kid, science is the road to truth in the physical universe but there are things it will never be able to explain and scientists will have to just live with that and not get all down and such because their what they thought to be answer to everything will never be able to answer some things. I have been studying it for about 40 years and can see it's limits and it's advantages.
@Xveldin Hey douche?! WTF? what is you obsession with age ? you name/call adults "kid" and "children" yet the only youngster hear is you.
Its extremely funny that you rant on the rest of the posters here yet you haven't
the balls (thats right faggot, BALLS), WTF kiddo ? can't make your own you-tube page available? OR acceptable to the rest of us ?? What are you scared OF BITCH ??
@fzappa007 You just proved my point by the ridiculously immature comment you just posted... the text of a child, I see. I bet you were planning on that little rage filled comment to do something when all it did was prove my point.
@Digscomics To show people that looks can be deceiving... Scientology may operate and look like a business, I am actually working with people to get their ways changed because I have been inside and seen the research on the mind and people and it truly is fascinating and helpful.
"...am actually working with people to get their ways changed because [I have been inside] and seen the research on the mind and people and it truly is fascinating and helpful."
[brackets mine]
Oh, so you finally admit to being a $cientologist? And, what research? Do you mean Hubbard's exaggerated claims and/or Co$ propaganda?
@jdtrickster4 You said I was a a scientologist not me. I mean I have seen the tech and kind of help they give people, the research he has done on the mind and not that Xenu made up perversion of the Internet. You really are a joker arguing on the Internet for laughs, I can tell and are really closed minded, kid.
You mean the "Xenu made up perversion" that lies at the heart of $cientlogy's belief system, is freely available on the internet, in Hubbard's own handwriting, his own voice, and has been confirmed by numerous ex-members and your cult in court?
The cat is out of the bag, silly. Nice volcano on the cover of Dianetics, btw.
No, I asked if you were one. You said "...I am actually working with people to get their ways changed because [I have been inside] and seen the research on the mind..."
[brackets mine]
I also asked you *what research?* NONE has been presented to the scientific community for independent scrutiny. In his books and tape-recorded lectures, Hubbard rants on about all sorts of things; incl. being run over by a locomotive in Venus, having been to the Sun and HEAVEN! (twice) lol
@jdtrickster4 Ask him some $ci related questions and give him a 1 minute to respond so he can't cheat and let's see if he's some teenage troll or the real deal.
@jdtrickster4 I'm done commenting back to you because you are one of those people that will pretend things aren't true to your knowledge and will deny them even after proof because you cannot handle being proven wrong.
@fzappa007 You just proved my point by the ridiculously immature comment you just posted... the text of a child, I see. I bet you were planning on that little rage filled comment to do something when all it did was prove my point.
@GRENADEtheBAND Another example of how something cannot be scientifically true but you others would call it true: science can prove that disease exists but some people might say it is good because it helps keep the world from overpopulation and others would cal it completely in need of extinction. Science can only prove physical things that are true applying to everyone and everything but cannot give any evidence to if something is right or wrong, that is up to us to decide.
@vaLLarrr anyhow we're getting off topic here, lets get back to your first statement, "What is true for you is what you have observed yourself and when you lose that you have lost everything . Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. That is all."
thats quote is morally and ethically incorrect. truth is based on research evidence facts and proof. dianetics is based upon belief and self hypnosis.
Life has been given. There are no other than me, and you shall follow me, or perish into an eternal fire. All followers are to list here and simply say "I" You will and shall obey all commands, and in doing so you shall find only happiness. Do this, or live and die miserably. All you have been taught has been lies, and now you will learn the truth. I will teach you. You need just to ask, and I will grant you what you seek. You must believe...
"What is true for you is what you have observed yourself and when you lose that you have lost everything . Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. That is all."
no i didn't think so. put the keyboard down and turn off your mommies computer, now go outside and play with the other children and leave the adults alone.
@GRENADEtheBAND Young, uneducated person: The real world has become too complicated for you and you live here on a false artificial world, thinking it holds truth to the real one. Pity.
@Digscomics There are no videos of me on Youtube. And any that claim to have me on them are false, they cannot even declare my real life authentic name. Now you know the lies of the Internet and how it can claim to be anyone doing anything.
Xveldin could be one of many of vaLLarrr's incarnations - not to be confused with reincarnation; which Hubbard described as a complex belief system, as opposed to his "having lived before" 'theory,' or in Sci-lingo, "postulate." ;)
@jdtrickster4 Assuming it's not just some regular troll who doesn't know when to retire, my guess is it's another Jane-type Sci-troll trying to crap the place up. If another fervent "Anon" appears and starts frantically posting insulting responses while being strangely reticent on the subject of Scientology itself, that'll be the sign.
People are so stupid and naive... sad...
marekmaxpabianice 1 day ago
I WOULD BET THAT TOM MASTURBATES TO FANTASIES OF SCREWING HIMSELF!
cruelmorning 1 day ago
@cruelmorning HA! I *cackled*
neworder36 8 hours ago
ha ha Clearwater, Florida. Got sunburned there.
hippiegirlsmile 2 days ago
So is vaLLarrr gone again? The last vaLLarrr must have blown the "church" or said the wrong thing and got sent to the RPF or something.
The new replacement vaLLarrr is probably getting trained in the fine art of posting *rollseyes*, "Oh SUUUUURE it is!", and the definition of "claim" at this very moment.
Assuming there's anyone left to replace the last vaL, that is. So few Scientologists these days.
NarkAnon 3 days ago
@NarkAnon
I dunno... I haven't read any posts by Val in over 2 weeks, and it's Thursday, and still nothing. I am disappoint. And hopeful. :) Maybe Val DID finally read Debbie's mail.
AnonRanGER01 1 day ago
@AnonRanGER01
Just goes to show us all that vaL was/is not the *free-and-able,* free-thinking individual s/he promoted itself to be. IF s/he was, vaL could post here and say either way; one way or the other.
No, vaL was *pulled.* vaL is now doing what it always did : 0beying 0rders.
jdtrickster4 19 hours ago
Oh.. I won already? Much easier than I anticipated. Oh well.
CptnSpauldings 5 days ago
@CptnSpauldings
And because of this *win* in the future people will say "What's Scientology?"
It'll only be in the history books, you know.
jdtrickster4 5 days ago
Maybe it should just be policy to beat up Scientologists semi-regularly? Hmm, ok the porch is painted, the dog has had its shots....oh yeah! Lets head down the mall and beat some sciendroologists up! Hope the locals havent beaten us to it again......
jonship 6 days ago
cruise is the biggest asshole, joke , stupid jerk and the worst an actor in our time. Him and his wife and the rest of the celebrities are bunch of idiots who have been brainwashed by the memebers of the scientology ( the EVIL'S ORGANISATIONS) who is ripping pp from their money!!! cruise is such a stupid tyran I am so happy Nicole Kidman left him and didn't waste her life with this creature!!!
SuperRenata23 6 days ago
Mike Rinder, the executive in this video, left Scientology (and had to give up his family) and is now one of the biggest voices against this Thug Cult. I say it's a thug cult because their high ranking members go after people just like a mafia thug would do. They are not nice people.
JewelieDee7 6 days ago
Since this interview, Mike Rinder has defected from the Church and admitted he lied during that interview.
truvelocity 6 days ago
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anz195 1 week ago
what's the music from 0:00- 0:14?
creativa15 1 week ago
@creativa15 The Gap Band - You Dropped A Bomb On Me
TheSix4Impala 5 days ago
$cientology is a money-hungry cult, a $¢am and it's abusive & criminal, to boot: its modus operandi & "philosophy" being to operate *above the law* and the ends justify the means.
This is best encapsulated in its slogan & battle-cry "Clear the Planet," meaning to make this a Scientology or "$cientology-run" world. Even its "org-board," short for organizing board, a schematic of the org's post titles (with names - if manned), duties, etc., by division, dept., section,etc. has a spot for "gov't."
jdtrickster4 1 week ago
To me, this is something else entirely. Being a celebrity can drive you insane. WHen you say "tom cruise" you don't think of a person, you think of an idol, or item, that entertains you. This can destroy people. This scientology stuff is obviously not real, but I think it is a way for people who are known worldwide, to come together as a group and find peace. You would to if everyone knew you, and voiced their extreme opinions on you everyday.
xxxDrDEWofCovtownxxx 1 week ago
the voice actor of bart is a scientologist? i have lost respect in you 'simpsons'
TheMsdos25 1 week ago
E-meter: Interesting. "Protected personal files" - happens all the time. So what?
mattjostr 1 week ago
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@NarkAnon
and thus nark CLAIMS "cold hard facts"
AGAIN.
claim |klām|
verb [ reporting verb ]
state or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
Yep, you still got nothin'. Keep posting the definition of "claim" and *rolleyes* while the unethical "church" of Scientology implodes around you. I've got plenty of popcorn to eat in the meantime.
NarkAnon 1 week ago
well see this retard when hes in hell what he thinks
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
christians are always raping kids. theyve done it for 2000yrs. witchcraft, incest, crusades, inquisitions, alcohol deaths , holocaust, devil worshippers. ect always christians filth
mrlogicalman1 1 week ago
@mrlogicalman1 Yea exactly, those Christians knew how to through a party and put on a show. $cientologist's skulk around in their cheap suits and goofy uniforms hiding in the closet playing with their dime store lie detectors and play dough.
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prothegreat 1 week ago
cruise is a fucking nut case.. he belongs in scientology.. so do the others
TheEdgeOfBeing 2 weeks ago
@NarkAnon
oh SO sorry. can't technically "keep" doing something I'm not actually doing in the FIRST place.
better luck next time.
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr what should have debbie cook done then val? how should she have conveyed her thoughts without being a nutcase? you have issues with certain scientology practices, maybe you two should get together and figure out a way to convey these grievances without looking like a "nutcase", that way you can actually fight the problem at the source instead of just "dealing" with it.
Markgoudie69 2 weeks ago
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@vaLLarrr
"...can't technically "keep" doing something I'm not actually doing .."
What about Debbie Cook's e-mail, then?
Better luck.....ANY TIME. ;D
jdtrickster4 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
Of course you're avoiding the subject vaL - you're still doing it right now.
I'll give you another chance.
1. Did you read the Debbie Cook mass-email? A simple yes or no please.
2. Did you agree with any of what Debbie said about the problems that need to be addressed and fixed in the CoS, and the LRH references used in her argument?
3. If you disagree, what would YOU do differently? How would you get around the proper chain of command not being in place under Miscavige?
NarkAnon 1 week ago
@NarkAnon
of course I read it.
and I have ALWAYS said that one should resist being asked for more money than one can afford.
and there is absolutely NOTHING new about that whatsoever.
and of course there may be some out tech issues occurring.
just how did she try to fix it?
and what's wrong with telling anyone they shouldn't be involved in any off policy actions, which have occurred from time to time even when Hubbard was alive.
so what did she say that I haven't said before.
nothing?
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
So all she said you have said before? Why did you call her a nutcase then, Val?
So you do agree that David Miscavige is off-policy and that he removed the check-and-balances system that LRH put in place to prevent a single person to have that much power in Scientology?
And again: What else could Debbie have done but message other $cientologists?
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
she should have sent the email to each Scientologist individually of course, you idiot.
*rollseyes*
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
So she is a "nutcase" because she should have sent each of those thousands of identical e-mails individually instead of sending one group e-mail? What would that have changed except make it take WEEKS instead of a second?
And you call ME an idiot? Seriously?
So you do agree that DM is off-policy and removed the checks-and balances system LRH put in effect?
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
you're just too much of an idiot to realize that I don't blame MISCAVIGE for outnesses, any more than one could have blamed LRH for the myriad outnesses that existed while he was alive.
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
Please refresh my memory as to when you've ever said anything critical about David Miscavige or the way he in particular is running Scientology.
Debbie Cook of course lays responsibility for a lot of the "out tech" issues with Miscavige's leadership. Do you disagree? Is that why you were so quick to dismiss Cook as a "nutcase"?
NarkAnon 1 week ago
@NarkAnon
oh, I have no proof that MISCAVIGE is doing any of these things PERSONALLY.
even LRH HIMSELF couldn't prevent Scientologists from doing off policy things, some very high up and CLOSE to him, and he had to remove them PERSONALLY at times.
SO??
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
What, so someone else removed the checks-and-balances system in $cientology and David Miscavige, the only man to profit from this act, who personally sent most members of said checks-and-balances system to the RPF, had nothing to do with it and didn't even notice and try to do something about it? Is that seriously what you are saying, Val?
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
gee, just as if Hubbard put in a system of "checks and balances."
xD
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
Ever heard of the Watchdog Committee, Val?
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
so
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@NarkAnon
and Cook never mentions what she PERSONALLY did to try and HANDLE any outguesses she saw.
not what LRH would do.
nutcase, yes.
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
The outguesses she saw were THE REMOVAL OF THE CHECKS-AND-BALANCES SYSTEM and DM PRESSURING $CIENTOLOGISTS FOR OFF-POLICY DONATIONS.
What exactly was she supposed to do about these high crimes by the HEAD of $cientology, except inform as many other Scientologists as she could? Why haven't YOU done anything? Did you not notice the obvious or did you choose to ignore it so your cult wouldn't label YOU as a "nutcase" and an apostate?
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
and I have ALWAYS told people to resist being over regged.
DUH
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
I'd give you kudos if I didn't know you were a lying bitch, Val. So you "always told people to resist being over regged". Awesome.
Meanwhile, Debbie Cooks wrote a lengthy email to thousands of Scientologists using LRH policies to prove that David Miscavige's constant over regging is off-policy, and actually made an impact - but YOU call her a "nutcase".
Please explain the logic behind this.
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
like I need kudos from you to know what I do.
LOL
how do you know that it is MISCAVIGE that is "over regging?"
guess that means everything off policy that occurred when HUBBARD was alive was ordered by HUBBARD, right Ranger?
RIIIIIGHT.
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
Val, how long has the over regging been happening? Who organizes those "fund raising BBQ's"? Where does the money go?
Come on, Val, you can't tell me Miscavige doesn't even KNOW this is going on. Hell, he IS at a lot of those events.
Who else but David Miscavige could be behind the over regging, Val? Which evil genius manages to organize hundreds of fundraising events and tunnel the money to the IAS WITHOUT DM KNOWING ABOUT IT?
I'm intrigued... spin me a good yarn!
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
oh, the over regging has ALWAYS occurred to my knowledge, even when Hubbard was alive.
and I'm sure Hubbard knew about it too.
then it would stop for awhile, and then recur.
that's because Hubbard ordered it to happen right?
RIIIIGHT.
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
So you are sticking with the story that David Miscavige is not behind or even aware of the over regging and doesn't do anything about it?
Val, you can lie to me, but you can't lie to yourse... oh right, forgot who I was talking to. Scratch that.
You DO believe Hubbard is going to come back one day, don't you? What do you think he'll say to you concerning you defending David Miscavige shitting on his policies?
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
oh I have no idea whether he's aware of it or not.
good thing the burden of proof is on YOU to prove that he IS.
DUH
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
So you are saying "you don't know" if David Miscavige know about the extensive over regging in his own organization? He'd be a pretty shitty leader if he didn't, wouldn't he? Especially since all that money goes to the IAS.
Do you really want to play dumb, Val? That would actually BE dumb, but with you , you never know.
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@AnonRanGER01
exactly. I have no idea.
just as LRH didn't know at times.
good thing neither do you.
vaLLarrr 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
Yeah, looks like David Miscavige had no idea what was going on - as is evident in this video: blogs. villagevoice. com/runninscared/2011/07/scientology_lov_1. php
AnonRanGER01 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr
"gee, just as if Hubbard put in a system of "checks and balances.""
Yeah, it's called the "Qualifications Division," more specifically, the "Corrections Dept."
"I have ALWAYS told people to resist being over regged."
Didn't the Phatman tell you that "one becomes what one resists?" It was one of its maxims. But "resisting" doesn't "prevent" over-regging. They ALL resist it. That's why they keep donating - according to your phatman guru, that is.
jdtrickster4 1 week ago
@jdtrickster4
And thus vaLLarrr's little disingenuous act gets destroyed by cold hard facts again.
You'd think that vaL would realize by this point that pretending to be ignorant of how things work inside the scam of Scientology isn't going to stop the truth from being exposed by those who know better.
Another FAIL for Scientology "tech".
NarkAnon 1 week ago
@vaLLarrr LOL! You actually believe Miscavige isn't behind the regging? I suppose he didn't have a clue about the dopes in squirrel busters t-shirts and cranium cams either? Everything that happens in your phony "church" is ordered by Miscavige. You're probably just afraid that if you criticize the sociopathic dwarf you'll get sent to the RPF like Heber and Shelly. You may want to read Debbie Cook's e-mail again Val.
cultssuck 1 week ago
@cultssuck
"You may want to read Debbie Cook's e-mail again Val. "
As Val *itself* says, "you can't do *again* what you haven't done in the first place." ;D
jdtrickster4 1 week ago
Thumbs up if you came and read comments first, to see what ppl are fighting about
ffatali 2 weeks ago
@NarkAnon
so you got nothing except the same old trolling comments.
disappointing, but not surprising as usual.
Sad.
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
That's it - keep avoiding the subject of the internal strife tearing at Scientology.
I hope you have a back-up plan for when your fantasy-world of Scientology's unfettered growth and superiority comes crashing down on your indoctrinated head.
Meanwhile, those who are more "free and able" can:
Google News: "Scientology"
NarkAnon 2 weeks ago
was that dude doing algebra?
HealMeHealy 2 weeks ago
tom, i need help, can i come to you? or do i have to be a big shot good for nothing celebrity?
pussypuffs 2 weeks ago
Read the Debbie Cook e-mail Val if you are allowed to,i am sure you will find all she is doing is foloowing LRH policy.
OTpowerz 2 weeks ago
@NarkAnon
oh right. like I'm going to refute the same troll (namely you) and his retarded remarks over and over again.
nice try nark.
xD
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
LOL, fucking coward, too afraid to read an email and discuss it. Dauntless, defiant, resolute!
Can you point out any logical fallacies whatsoever in Debbie Cook's e-mail, especially concerning the LRH policies she cites to back up her argument?
AnonRanGER01 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
So you've got nothing.
Not surprising in general, but disappointing in this case since you yourself have previously echoed some of the complaints Debbie Cook makes in her email about the rampant greed and hard-sell in the CoS.
Sounds like you're in a "condition of fear". Afraid that you'll "lose your case gain" if you say the wrong thing or agree with the wrong person? Many Scientologists are. It's part of how your unethical "church" mind-controls you.
Sad.
NarkAnon 2 weeks ago
What the hell. How stupid can people get.
lynnmist1 2 weeks ago
@OTpowerz
so?
how many people in your family do you think notice that YOU are a complete nutcase?
how come YOUR family is so unobservant?
or DO they notice it?
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr So Debbie Cook is a nutcase for blowing the whistle on Miscavige and his henchmen ? So I guess Karen Silkwood, Daniel Ellsberg ,John Dean, Joe Valachi, Boris Yeltsin were all "nutcases" and should have tried to fix things internally eh ?
Or maybe by "fix" things you mean that Debbie should have staged a Coup d'état and murdered Miscavige like he did Hubbard and assume control. Is that what you meant vaL ?
sharkattacksteve 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr Here's part of a conversation between Rathbun and Michael Doven (one of DM's main guys):
MARTY: What I'm doing with it is applying it. Applying it as it was intended to be applied. And making it safe for others to do so. You guys gotta wake up and smell the coffee, man. The Church is dead, man.
MICHAEL: That's not true for me and thousands of others, but if that's true for that's true for you, and I'm sorry to hear that.
Notice he didn't say "millions of others" vaL
sharkattacksteve 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
Really vaL? All the valid observations that were made by us about Debbie Cook's email over the last day and THAT'S the best response you can come up with?
How could a "nutcase" run Flag for 17 years? -Aside from the obvious nuttiness that goes with being a Scientologist in the first place of course.
How about Debbie's point-by-point use of Hubbard policy to back her position?
How about the normal chain of command that Miscavige has thrown into the RPF?
Wake up your brain.
NarkAnon 2 weeks ago
Val,so a nutcase was captain of flag at clearwater and nobody noticed-that means co$ is flawed and your high ot's inept or Debbie is sane and telling the truth that your cult is flawed and your managment inept.Wake up Val
OTpowerz 2 weeks ago
The Eugenics-ocultists-bilderbergs-bohemian groves people MADE A REAL SCIENTOLOGY FOR A FEW HUNDRED OF PEOPLES AND THE AFTER THINK : WHAT WE DO WITH THE REST ON EARTH WHO HAVE MILLIONS IN CASH? ANSWER: WE MADE A FALSE PLACEBO SCIENZTOLOGY CHURCH
yuryno1 2 weeks ago
@Markgoudie69
Debbie Cook is obviously a nut case. a true Scientologist would FIX those things if true, not send an "email" about it.
DUH.
naturally, you are too stupid to understand that so don't worry about it.
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
So how would she go about "fixing" the situation with any other means, Val? Request an audience and lecture little David Miscavige with quotes from the LRH policies he's violating? What was she supposed to do except make other Scientologists aware of this high crime?
AnonRanGER01 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr So a "nut case" was the captain of Flag services for 17 years, undetected by all of those OT's? Sure are a lot of "nut cases" in your cult Val, although you never refer to them as such until they blow, or kill someone like your "Minister" Rex Fowler.
cultssuck 2 weeks ago
@cultssuck
So true CS. How they fail to see the comparisons between $cientology and a 1984 world is beyond me; especially, after they're pointed out. They're all heroes and/or *Kha-Khans* (one of Hubbard's titles for someone who could do no wrong and had NINE LIVES because of his past production or good deeds that furthered or enhaced the group's survival in a big way) UNTIL THEY SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE CRIME $YNDICATE.
Debbie Cook was such a person. As was Fowler, Slatkin, et al. ;D
jdtrickster4 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
But wait, what's this quote from the kooky old man himself:
"drop no curtains between the organization and the public about anything." - L Ron Hubbard, HCO PL 9 Jan 51, 'An Essay on Management'
Plus, the chain of command that Hubbard said was supposed to exist to handle stuff like this has been mostly thrown into the RPF by Miscavige.
So you fail to understand the situation in your own 'church' yet again vaL.
NarkAnon 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr How should have debbie handled the situation then val? you are too stupid and lazy to even define how she should have fixed it. all you can do is sit there and call debbie a nutcase.
naturally, you fail at sustaining a logical argument.
Markgoudie69 2 weeks ago
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@AnonRanGER01
OH sure. sending an "email" criticizing Miscavige is so ON policy.
RIIIIIIGHT.
JUST something the captain of Flag would do.
VEEEEERY "sane."
NOT a nutcase at ALL.
LRH would be SO proud. LOL
you're a complete idiot.
xD
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
Debbie Cook....Captain FSO Clearwater Florida
Thousans of e-mails sent to people who trust and respect her,you mad Val.You will see the knock on effect this will have in the next couple of months,picture the domino effect Val but with dead space aliens.2012 is starting with a bang my friend
OTpowerz 2 weeks ago
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@OTpowerz
sure.
whateva you say.
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@cultssuck
gee, I don't know Debbie Cook.
she might be as big a nut case as YOU are. LOL
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
LOL, you don't know the person who was captain of Flag, your cult's "religious mecca", for 17 years? Rrrrright...
Now that she has criticized how off-policy David Miscavige is and proved it by citing some of Hubbard's policies, she's suddenly become a non-person in your cult. What a surprise. Doesn't change the fact that she's started a shitstorm amongst your fellow cultists.
AnonRanGER01 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr Why did debbie Cook write those things? why do nut cases keep infiltrating Sci in order to abandon it and then make outrageous comments about Sci doctrine? Is this just a big conspiracy of lies and witch hunting in order to bring scientology down, in the same fashion to which the nazis brought down the jews in ww2? I only believe in what I observe and I believe this all to be just a big conspiracy and debbie cook is a nutter.
Markgoudie69 2 weeks ago
all religion is just as crazy
NjWingchun 2 weeks ago
Why the Scientologist hate? lt's no less wacky than any other religion..They are all man made bullshit
Spindry96 2 weeks ago 18
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@Spindry96
there's Scientology hate for the same reason there is Jewish hate.
get it?
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@Spindry96 i think for one, scientology, unlike many religions such as christianity, islam, and judaism, the origins are known; it was a sci fi writer, a pedophile, (hubbard) who started it. his works are dichotomous and his intentions were scary. bible doesnt say anything about curing "gay" or killing your child with CORN SYRUP or fighting anyone who disagrees, the qur'an as well. little side note theres much more knowledge in older religions texts, theres nothing to be found in scientology
pussypuffs 2 weeks ago
@pussypuffs
oh right. now Hubbard was a "pedophile."
that's a good one. LOL
did you know he was secretly Jewish?
and also had two heads?
LOL
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@pussypuffs
oh, I forgot. Hubbard used to eat babies. in fondue I hear.
that was his favorite.
LOL
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@Spindry96
Well this religion is a fraud and it requires a lot of money.
giglopas 1 week ago
@Spindry96 Probably the fact you HAVE to pay money to learn more about the cult "religion" you have joined, paying to reach a higher level of understanding. Then there's the brainwashing, and the punishments, physical and psychological, threats when they want to leave. The harm they do to people, their families/friends etc. Whats to NOT hate about a religion that does all that and more.
At least Christians, Catholics, (and others), have a choice, Scientologists are puppets.
4RedDwarf3 1 week ago 2
@4RedDwarf3 You don't have to pay anymore. Thanks to Anonymous, their manuscripts and bullshit bible about OT levels has been leaked to the internet a long time ago. Google "thepiratebay scientology"
from212 1 week ago
@Spindry96 Um but at least other religions have shut down their galley slave busniess in the 18th century. Scientology still has SeaOrg, and we all know, why their flagship sails always on international waters, do we? Read some reports about the terrible conditions on that ship.
Mogzyx 1 week ago
the biggest asset or biggest ass
ronyboy40 2 weeks ago
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@jdtrickster4
OH sure. and just WHO "decided" that the "scientific community," who have gotten it DEAD WRONG so OFTEN in the past, are the arbiters of truth and light in the universe?
YOU???
that's rich. LOL
vaLLarrr 2 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr so you DO believe L Ron was on Venus and has been to heaven twice?? what a mook you are val, a true believer and a douche-bag to boot.
fzappa007 2 weeks ago
although rich celebreties are extremely vulnerable people who are easily recruited
zigor4 2 weeks ago
Tom Cruise is the biggest loser in the world and he is a Scientologist !!!!
FireHorseCode 2 weeks ago
This vid shows how twisted this thing is.
sqccccccccc 2 weeks ago
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ATHEISTS BURN IN HELL FOREVER !!!!
ATHEISTS BURN IN HELL FOREVER !!!!
ATHEISTS BURN IN HELL FOREVER !!!!
fuckmania07 2 weeks ago
Any religion that makes any sort of profit should be disregarded as anything else then a business. Anyone on this planet that's truly spiritual knows that the very very very last thing to do is make money, w2ich has absolute NO value for spiritual people. Any religious organization that ''needs'' money is a hoax, and all leaders of that specific organization knows this.
cavello89 3 weeks ago
Largest YouTube fight ever below
theJaSwA123 3 weeks ago 5
OMG, I thought I just read someone trying to defend Scientology. I think the E-meter would work better with a much higher voltage connected to it, like a Tazer. Like 'bang, fizz', 'wake up you bloody idiot', 'ok, you can leave now, take your wallet with you, just pay me for the battery from Tandy;. Lucky escape Nicole Kidman, I loved seeing your bare bum in Dead Calm.
backroomsuperstar 3 weeks ago
Keith Olberman is a failure so is Scientology they should team up to make super fail.
cwood4ever 3 weeks ago
@AnonRanGER01
oh the irony. an utter moron like yourself who doesn't know the first thing about science telling someone ELSE what it is.
priceless.
vaLLarrr 3 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr
Too bad the entire scientific agrees with me, Val. Are they all "morons" too?
Concerning the "science" in $cientology, let me quote yourself back at you:
"I don't have to CLAIM that it's a "hoax."
YOU must prove that it's TRUE MORON.
you CAN'T."
AnonRanGER01 3 weeks ago
@AnonRanGER01 It has already been proven to be true, due to the fact it has helped millions of people improve their lives. This Internet world you have come to live in holds no truth to the real one whatsoever, I suggest you leave and find TRUTH in the real world because this one holds nothing but lies.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin CONDESCENSION =/= INTELLIGENCE, FUCKFACE
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND No it equals lies which build up upon lies and get nowhere but further from the truth.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin YOU'RE MAKING SENSE TO YOURSELF, TOO BAD RELEVANCE DOESN'T WORK THAT WAY. OH AND BY THEY WAY YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY JUST VALLARRR OR THEBORNIDIOT IN DISGUISE.
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND MAKING BOLD LETTERS DOES NOT MAKE YOU ANYMORE LOUDER, retard. And I'm not Vallarrr, see, you're so in denial and fooled by the lies of the Internet that you start thinking everyone is the same, mistaking two people for one because they call you out on your Internet brainwashing.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin IT'S CALLED CAPSLOCK, DIPSHIT. WHY DON'T YOU GET YOUR GRANDSON TO PICK YOU UP AND GO PLAY BINGO AT THE COMMUNITY CENTER, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO HANDLE.
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND Now we get to the off topic insults... yeah, real intelligence quest here, see, the Internet is full of kids like you who just want to start fights and don't care about truth at all.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin OK, THE TRUTH - YOUR RELIGION IS A CULT. THEY STEAL YOUR MONEY, TIME AND ENERGY. ARE YOU ACTUALLY HAPPY BEING A SCIENTOLOGIST? I'LL REPEAT THE AUDITING QUESTION...
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND They are not my religion, I don't have one, I have only stated that I see some truth in their philosophical teachings, along with many others in this world such as Buddhism to Science. They say what is true for you is what you have observed and I have observed a little bit of truth in almost everything that teach truth on this world.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin If you find that to be a compelling theological belief, so be it. Most of the world understands that "Belief" and "Faith" amount to nothing factually. What is true for you might be absolutely batshit insane to the other 99.999% of the world. So because you know something, it's automatically true? You my friend, are an idiot.
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND What is true for me and what is true for you could be totally opposite things, in fact it is showing right now. Quote from Albert Einstein: Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind. It's common sense that is real truth here. And science is not the answer to ALL truth. Some truth comes in different forms to others, like love and beauty, science cannot prove they exist but you know it is real.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin I understand your point of view, but you are mistaken. Just because us humans don't have the intellectual capacity and technologies yet to explain everything, doesn't mean we can't. We just can't yet. Science on itself will explain everything, because everything has to obey physical laws.
cavello89 3 weeks ago
@cavello89 Maybe science will be able to provide proof of the spirit maybe it won't but that doesn't mean it does not exist... It is a mistake to put all of our faith in one subject like science... and the mind does not obey physical laws, it can go wherever it wants. Science is road to truth in the physical universe but not to who we are as humans, it cannot prove love or beauty exists but it is common sense to know those things are just as real as anything else.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin Like i said before, eventually (in time) science will be able to explain the mind. I think you have to study the word (and meaning) of science a little better ;)
cavello89 2 weeks ago
@cavello89 I can tell your age by your little emicon ";)". Kid, science is the road to truth in the physical universe but there are things it will never be able to explain and scientists will have to just live with that and not get all down and such because their what they thought to be answer to everything will never be able to answer some things. I have been studying it for about 40 years and can see it's limits and it's advantages.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin Hey douche?! WTF? what is you obsession with age ? you name/call adults "kid" and "children" yet the only youngster hear is you.
Its extremely funny that you rant on the rest of the posters here yet you haven't
the balls (thats right faggot, BALLS), WTF kiddo ? can't make your own you-tube page available? OR acceptable to the rest of us ?? What are you scared OF BITCH ??
fzappa007 2 weeks ago
@fzappa007 You just proved my point by the ridiculously immature comment you just posted... the text of a child, I see. I bet you were planning on that little rage filled comment to do something when all it did was prove my point.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
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Digscomics 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin So if you're so happy with Scientology and you've studied it for 40 years and everything, why do you keep posting here?
Digscomics 2 weeks ago
@Digscomics To show people that looks can be deceiving... Scientology may operate and look like a business, I am actually working with people to get their ways changed because I have been inside and seen the research on the mind and people and it truly is fascinating and helpful.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin Which people are you working with?
Digscomics 2 weeks ago
@Digscomics Some friends, not famous but we will change some things.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin
"...am actually working with people to get their ways changed because [I have been inside] and seen the research on the mind and people and it truly is fascinating and helpful."
[brackets mine]
Oh, so you finally admit to being a $cientologist? And, what research? Do you mean Hubbard's exaggerated claims and/or Co$ propaganda?
jdtrickster4 2 weeks ago
@jdtrickster4 You said I was a a scientologist not me. I mean I have seen the tech and kind of help they give people, the research he has done on the mind and not that Xenu made up perversion of the Internet. You really are a joker arguing on the Internet for laughs, I can tell and are really closed minded, kid.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin
You mean the "Xenu made up perversion" that lies at the heart of $cientlogy's belief system, is freely available on the internet, in Hubbard's own handwriting, his own voice, and has been confirmed by numerous ex-members and your cult in court?
The cat is out of the bag, silly. Nice volcano on the cover of Dianetics, btw.
AnonRanGER01 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin
No, I asked if you were one. You said "...I am actually working with people to get their ways changed because [I have been inside] and seen the research on the mind..."
[brackets mine]
I also asked you *what research?* NONE has been presented to the scientific community for independent scrutiny. In his books and tape-recorded lectures, Hubbard rants on about all sorts of things; incl. being run over by a locomotive in Venus, having been to the Sun and HEAVEN! (twice) lol
jdtrickster4 2 weeks ago
@jdtrickster4 Ask him some $ci related questions and give him a 1 minute to respond so he can't cheat and let's see if he's some teenage troll or the real deal.
sharkattacksteve 2 weeks ago
@jdtrickster4 I'm done commenting back to you because you are one of those people that will pretend things aren't true to your knowledge and will deny them even after proof because you cannot handle being proven wrong.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@Xveldin
Oh, the irony...
Got an e-mail by Debbie lately? Keep denying those things you know are true because you cannot handle being proven wrong.
AnonRanGER01 2 weeks ago
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@fzappa007 You just proved my point by the ridiculously immature comment you just posted... the text of a child, I see. I bet you were planning on that little rage filled comment to do something when all it did was prove my point.
Xveldin 2 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND Another example of how something cannot be scientifically true but you others would call it true: science can prove that disease exists but some people might say it is good because it helps keep the world from overpopulation and others would cal it completely in need of extinction. Science can only prove physical things that are true applying to everyone and everything but cannot give any evidence to if something is right or wrong, that is up to us to decide.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
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@GRENADEtheBAND
and you're just AnonRanGER is disguise right?
vaLLarrr 3 weeks ago
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@vaLLarrr anyhow we're getting off topic here, lets get back to your first statement, "What is true for you is what you have observed yourself and when you lose that you have lost everything . Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. That is all."
thats quote is morally and ethically incorrect. truth is based on research evidence facts and proof. dianetics is based upon belief and self hypnosis.
Markgoudie69 3 weeks ago
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@AnonRanGER01
too bad the entire scientific community does NOT agree with you, not to mention the fact that even they DID they are often DEAD WRONG ANYWAY.
whew.
vaLLarrr 3 weeks ago
Live well and be happy...that is the best response to religious lunatics
DarkSideoftheTune 3 weeks ago
i think all of us were Scientologists @ some point.... Hasn't everyone thought that they had super powers when they were kids????? hahahahaha
SKIE1976 3 weeks ago
those files could ruin these celebs...so they can't leave
xtrmsprts 3 weeks ago
and he wrote everything down: "galvanometer is working"
waldomatic 3 weeks ago
Life has been given. There are no other than me, and you shall follow me, or perish into an eternal fire. All followers are to list here and simply say "I" You will and shall obey all commands, and in doing so you shall find only happiness. Do this, or live and die miserably. All you have been taught has been lies, and now you will learn the truth. I will teach you. You need just to ask, and I will grant you what you seek. You must believe...
KrashKrazyKash 3 weeks ago
that question at the end made me sad. it was so openly biased.
illicitsubstance32 3 weeks ago
wait the cross thing in their logo is in place of the "i" and not the "t"?
gl3110 3 weeks ago
"What is true for you is what you have observed yourself and when you lose that you have lost everything . Nothing in Dianetics and Scientology is true for you unless you have observed it and it is true according to your observation. That is all."
LRH
vaLLarrr 3 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr You might need to explain who "LRH" is. Other than Anons and Scientologists, no one knows what those initials mean.
Digscomics 3 weeks ago
@Digscomics Here's a video of the kid who's calling you kid pretending he's in the UFC with some other kids.
watch?v=y5yFeuPzD_M
sharkattacksteve 3 weeks ago
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phallicofD3 3 weeks ago
@vaLLarrr have you observed Debbie Cooks Email yes Val ? hmmm?
fzappa007 3 weeks ago
@fzappa007 So what about the email? anyone can say anything in a written letter or email... that doesn't make it fact.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin was I talking to you punk ??
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no i didn't think so. put the keyboard down and turn off your mommies computer, now go outside and play with the other children and leave the adults alone.
fzappa007 3 weeks ago
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@fzappa007 An adult talking like a child, sad. Oh, it's ok I already know you aren't but you know...
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin by your own logic, you don't think you're brainwashed, so you are.
You are a fucking idiot, I mean seriously you've gotta be trolling.
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
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@GRENADEtheBAND Someone's getting mad. Quit trolling to me, kid.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin OLD PERSON: THE INTERNET HAS BECOME TOO COMPLICATED FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND, PLEASE EXIT YOUR BROWSER IMMEDIATELY TO AVOID SENSORY OVERLOAD.
GRENADEtheBAND 3 weeks ago
@GRENADEtheBAND Young, uneducated person: The real world has become too complicated for you and you live here on a false artificial world, thinking it holds truth to the real one. Pity.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin Speaking of truth, why are you pretending to be an old person when viewing any of your videos reveals you to be about 12?
Digscomics 3 weeks ago
@Digscomics There are no videos of me on Youtube. And any that claim to have me on them are false, they cannot even declare my real life authentic name. Now you know the lies of the Internet and how it can claim to be anyone doing anything.
Xveldin 3 weeks ago
@Xveldin
Digs is talking about the videos on your channel, silly. :)
jdtrickster4 3 weeks ago
@Digscomics
Xveldin could be one of many of vaLLarrr's incarnations - not to be confused with reincarnation; which Hubbard described as a complex belief system, as opposed to his "having lived before" 'theory,' or in Sci-lingo, "postulate." ;)
jdtrickster4 3 weeks ago
@jdtrickster4 Assuming it's not just some regular troll who doesn't know when to retire, my guess is it's another Jane-type Sci-troll trying to crap the place up. If another fervent "Anon" appears and starts frantically posting insulting responses while being strangely reticent on the subject of Scientology itself, that'll be the sign.
Digscomics 2 weeks ago
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@vaLLarrr have you observed Debbie Cooks Email yes Val ? hmmm?
fzappa007 3 weeks ago
how people can actaully believe in Scientology is beyond me
mtmyjak 3 weeks ago
1-866-X-SEA-ORG
TheLocalVandals 3 weeks ago
scientology is BULLSHIT and will burn in the Fire along with its belivers..so have fun eat and enjoy this world and the short life it gives u
dimpsey3 3 weeks ago