Attempt at Bessler Wheel

[wcemichael]

I got an Idea for a wheel, I'm sure it got some promise to it. if you can make the computer model for it.

[ToemanX]

Looks like a promising design, but designs like this often look good on paper.

You should try to build it.

[MichaelCouch]

OK, all you "debunkers" are so smart; name one SINGLE THING in the HISTORY of the UNIVERSE that has ever been still. Since, you can't do that; you must admit that "perpetual motion" is the rule in this Universe. You must live in a different one. Case closed, forever.

It is only on this planet where gravity and friction are so large that it is difficult to get synchronously moving object to take different paths.

Charles Michael Couch

[MetaKnight345]

Your point that nothing in this universe has ever been still, is correct. The implication, however, that this proves the existence of perpetual motion is not correct.

If you believe in God, there's a being who once created the universe.

If you believe in the Big Bang, there was an event when the universe started existing.

Because there has been energy at one point, energy will always be. It doesn't have anything to do with perpetual motion.

[MichaelCouch]

MetaKnight245:

Your assumption that if I believe in God and that he created the universe that it came from something is in err because God is the Nothing that was before the anything. And made it out of Himself, Nothing. All matter and energy come from that Nothing. The I AM. Even though there may have been a big bang, there was no stuff before it. At least in my theory which is as valid as any other unproven theory out there.

Charles Michael Couch

[MetaKnight345]

The theory of the big bang doesn't mean that everything came from nothing. Before the big bang there was something. It wasn't energy, it wasn't matter, it wasn't both. I don't know the current status of the theory, but as far as I know there was basically a "soup" of randomly changing, amplifying and attenuating quantum states.

But it doesn't really matter. What matters is that energy doesn't come from nothing. God didn't just sit on a Bessler wheel and let things happen.

[bentleius]

you know, I think it will work if you just spin it the OTHER way!

[waddler3214]

just spin it fast

[DJESKAII]

lol fail

[templedog69]

I actually worked on a wheel for 8 years straight.

[CraigusMalaigus]

What was the outcome?

[templedog69]

went bald....basically.

[PhuqueU]

Ha ha ha, it was an animation and he made it fail.

You could have made it work, as long as it was animation.

(Or was it some kind of CAD?)

In any case now you see the real reason they outlaw Swastikas

They don't even want you thinking about it.

Becareful with these vids, you show one that works,

the men in black will come and whisk you away.

[cyborgtroy]

It was a physics simulation, the physics program said, "I have done the math for you, and it will never work"

[templedog69]

yeah, but maybe math doesn't really control the universe. Then there is a way. And the math is an obstetrical in the way.

[cyborgtroy]

No, math is just a way to figure out how the universe runs.

And the way the universe runs is that energy does not come from nowhere.

[templedog69]

I think the wheel itself is a key to finding out where energy comes from. The mystery of the wheel could be very important.

[cyborgtroy]

But it could also not be important at all.

[UserNumber3141592653]

templedog69, what is an "obstetrical"

The dictionary says it is of or relating to the profession of obstetrics or the care of women during and after pregnancy.

[templedog69]

why can't it work? WHHHYYYYY!!!!!

[JokingJames2]

because physics are stupid in this universe!

[sircraigery]

Becuase at any time when the ball on the right is using torque to spin the axle, there are 2.5 balls on the left. They even it out, and slowly (not friction, because simulations are frictionless), gravity forces stop the disc.

I've dabbled with the same idea for weeks.

[sircraigery]

If we could get magnets around the wheel, we could use magnetic forces to drive the disc. The only problem there is when the next disc comes around, it's forces stop the wheel. If someone REALLY wants a nobel prize, they'll figure how to neutralize a magnets magnetic field in a pulsing matter without using any form of external energy.

[sircraigery]

That my friends is the key to perpetual motion. (READ MY LAST TOO POSTS FIRST - I KNOW THIS DISC DOESN'T WORK).

[sircraigery]

ORRR

IF SOMEONE COULD FOCUS A MAGNETS ELECTRIC FIELD LIKE A LASER YOU COULD POINT IT OFFSET THE AXLE, AND IT WOULD SPIN. But that ain't lookin too likely.

[theICE23]

The only way something like this would work would be if you moved it with your mind in person. Which some of us can. Then just fool the person into thinking you came up with something perpetual.

[templedog69]

i can make this work easy....

[skwerl23]

did you draw this, or use a program? if so what program.

[adisharr]

It will not keep spinning people. Hate to bust your bubble.

[imbok]

It didn't work because it looks like a swastika!

[rampageturke]

epic fail

[3542JWB]

centrifugal force will pin the weights to the outside of the wheel.

[Modranak]

that program is Phun or what ???

[wapperott]

no fool that program is interactive physics!!

[Bobbyjkl]

Whether it is Phun or not depends on your opinion. (And yes, I know that Phun is a program. :P)

[pchevee]

C'est comique de voir que que cette simulation montre à l'évidence que le mouvement perpétuel, ça ne marche vraiment pas! Sinon, les quelques documents que j'avais lus à propos des roues d'Orffyreus/Bessler avaient l'air de dire le contraire; probablement que la Thermodynamique n'était pas vraiment au point à l'époque...

[jonaslippens]

that simulation-software can I download that for free somewhere? Because I want try something that I got in my mind

[wapperott]

i have that game its called interactive physics search  on the internet interactive physics and click on one of the links...

[MrRonsen]

close the outer spaces in the wheel!

close it and let the ball move free, so it can always keep in deepest point of its quarter, let the ball from ul quarter hit the ball in ur quarter via a tiny hole in the walls, so left ball will come in inner position and shoot out the other ball to longest arm position to the right

[polo99a9]

there are laws of physics that say: no mater the path a mass takes ( refering to up and down) the energy that the mass makes on it's way down is equal to the energy necesary to lift it at the same hight. in reality this is true if u have a 100% eficient mechanism to lift the mass.

L=Fxd F is the force and d is the distance. do the math L is the same if u take this example posted by smlefo.

[smlefo]

The idea behind the bessler wheel is that our human understanding of physics is incomplete, and that our human formulas aren't 100% correct. Now - I do agree with you that modern physics states that a perpetual motion device is impossible. And my gut tells me that as well. But it is interesting to see people try and hack our human understanding :-). Dreamers push us forward, you know?

[polo99a9]

that is true, and i hope somebody would find a way, but i doubt that it can be as simple as these..or who knos, maybe simpler ;). 10x for the reply

[Gannon2145]

@smlefo and idiots hold us back

[rstevewarmorycom]

@Gannon2145 Idiots hold themselves back.

[rstevewarmorycom]

@smlefo And some push backwards. The physics

that is incomplete isn't the physics we already know.

[3DnewB]

I would like to know how the animation I just came up with would fare in that simulator.

Let me know if you think it's worth looking into.

[smlefo]

Shoot me an email: alittleweird[DOT]com[SLASH]con­tact[SLASH]

[toamaori]

hi could you please make one of those indian wheels with this app?? would be interesting to see

[vcvracarkad]

What did you use to make that animation?

[smlefo]

Interactive Physics: design-simulation[DOT]com/IP/i­ndex[DOT]php

[teebosaurusyou]

Very cool.

Love the motion - if you pause the playback you can figure out what will accel or decel. And of course, the motion will stop. The wheel reversing direction is cool too. Wouldn't want to try the calculations needed to predict this!

[DrWhat2]

Welcome to the long journey!