Hey guys we all know now that America was sponsoring Al Qaida to overthrow Qaddafi... This is bullshit and cant be supported on any justifiable or moral grounds. It was an assassination - and a dirty one which took many innocent Libyan lives with it. Shame.
there is an easier way, we all unite, forgetting our differences, and just say "NO, FUCK YOU", and refuse to go fight their racketeering wars. Unfortunately that will never happen because we are all so brainwashed into hating each other rather than the real criminals. We are all in this together, we need to remember who the true enemy is.
What could corporations like BP do if EVERYBODY stopped buying their products? Exactly and it is that simple.
@ZeddZar I think an easier, more realistic way is to do what we were doing before we issued a no fly zone over Libya - cut their trades with the entire world to try and isolate the government and be forced to comply diplomatically.
@j1a2r34 What? If Americans were being killed by the government and other countries cut trades with the government? What's wrong with that? Stopping killing by killing is ludicrous. Let countries sort out their own civil wars, other countries shouldn't get militarily involved.
@j03y2fly Let me repeat the question: What if some other country did that to us? Regardless of your support for the government forces, or for the revolutionaries... think about your reaction to another country barring your access to needed food, medical supplies, arms, ammunition, etc. Trade sanctions aren't exclusive to one side or the other. Consider pre-war Iraq, Palestine and Cuba... who suffered and continues to suffer most?
@j1a2r34 You don't realize what I typed. I said cut trade with the government. Using Palestine and Cuba are irrelevant to what I'm arguing, which I hopefully assume is an accidental straw man. I said specifically cut trade to the government. We'd send supplies to the rebels in support instead of having to kill people.Trade sanctions - when done correctly - are the most humane and efficient way to deal with someone else' civil war.
@j03y2fly I understand that you believe it is possible to implement sanctions exclusively against the government. I won't think that's a straw man if you can point to a solitary instance where sanctions imposed against a government along with support of rebels resulted in anything other than misery for the rebels and ill gotten gains by the government. That's why I mentioned Cuba and the other places where it's been tried. We can voluntarily assist a side, but US govt has no place over there.
@j1a2r34 A.D. 1400s Rus people, B.C. 360 Egyptians, A.D. 1600-1800 civil wars throughout Europe. Have you ever taken history? US government has no place over there in a militarism sense. I've repeated myself enough.
@j03y2fly You're not only repeating yourself, you're also repeating what I've been saying all along. Libyans deserve the freedom to make their own choices, even if they turn out to be mistaken.
@j1a2r34 And we have to follow to constitution! The senate decides who we go to war with, read the constitution, it takes only about an hour or two :P
@j1a2r34 "Libyans deserve the freedom to make their own choices, even if they turn out to be mistaken."
And why is it our duty to help them with our money and military? America doesn't have enough financial problems at home? Not to mention America is in two wars before Libya as it is. The fact that president Obama went to war without the consent of the Congress shows me how covertly corrupt this president truly is. Read the actual Healthcare bill he's put into effect and you'll really see it.
What it's been all along... that the US government has no business intervening in the internal affairs of other foreign nations.
It began with my response to your assertion that the US government ought to issue sanctions *exclusively* against the Libyan government, while simultaneously providing humanitarian aid *exclusively* to the rebels - as if that were a physical possibility.
just look at a list of the Rothschild debt issue at usury central banks and you will find that all governments are puppets including the one you are puppet for RP>
@j03y2fly Your logic is uprooted son. Do you want us to hand them flowers and say please stop? Sanctions do not work. A mass of unarmed civilians were going to be slaughtered at the request of Gaddafi. All i hear from you is COMPLAINTS. Where are your SOLUTIONS? You would be the first to bitch if we did nothing. Example, darfur.
@67bandit67 I've given solution. Cut trades with the government and help the rebels financially. Gaddafi's army isn't killing random people, they're killing rebels; the rebels knew the risks when they wanted to go against him. I'm complaining about obama's way of doing it, which is we're at war to prevent the killing of people, by killing people. Gaddafi isn't a national threat, it's a civil war. Let them deal with their disputes, we have enough problems in America and we're in two other wars.
Simple remedy to get the american sheeple to oppose this latest war- reenact the draft and force the upper classes to send their children over to fight these wars!
The corporate beneficiaries of our day have reached a powerful dark age of influence, where the masses will allow their sovereignty to be assessed and deceived while they attempt to preserve a lifestyle that was once within reach.
He tells you about what is taking place with the president and these wars!
informedable 3 weeks ago
Hey guys we all know now that America was sponsoring Al Qaida to overthrow Qaddafi... This is bullshit and cant be supported on any justifiable or moral grounds. It was an assassination - and a dirty one which took many innocent Libyan lives with it. Shame.
MyMrBoots 3 months ago
there is an easier way, we all unite, forgetting our differences, and just say "NO, FUCK YOU", and refuse to go fight their racketeering wars. Unfortunately that will never happen because we are all so brainwashed into hating each other rather than the real criminals. We are all in this together, we need to remember who the true enemy is.
What could corporations like BP do if EVERYBODY stopped buying their products? Exactly and it is that simple.
ZeddZar 11 months ago 6
@ZeddZar I think an easier, more realistic way is to do what we were doing before we issued a no fly zone over Libya - cut their trades with the entire world to try and isolate the government and be forced to comply diplomatically.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly What if some other country did that to us?
j1a2r34 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 What? If Americans were being killed by the government and other countries cut trades with the government? What's wrong with that? Stopping killing by killing is ludicrous. Let countries sort out their own civil wars, other countries shouldn't get militarily involved.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly Let me repeat the question: What if some other country did that to us? Regardless of your support for the government forces, or for the revolutionaries... think about your reaction to another country barring your access to needed food, medical supplies, arms, ammunition, etc. Trade sanctions aren't exclusive to one side or the other. Consider pre-war Iraq, Palestine and Cuba... who suffered and continues to suffer most?
j1a2r34 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 You don't realize what I typed. I said cut trade with the government. Using Palestine and Cuba are irrelevant to what I'm arguing, which I hopefully assume is an accidental straw man. I said specifically cut trade to the government. We'd send supplies to the rebels in support instead of having to kill people.Trade sanctions - when done correctly - are the most humane and efficient way to deal with someone else' civil war.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly I understand that you believe it is possible to implement sanctions exclusively against the government. I won't think that's a straw man if you can point to a solitary instance where sanctions imposed against a government along with support of rebels resulted in anything other than misery for the rebels and ill gotten gains by the government. That's why I mentioned Cuba and the other places where it's been tried. We can voluntarily assist a side, but US govt has no place over there.
j1a2r34 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 A.D. 1400s Rus people, B.C. 360 Egyptians, A.D. 1600-1800 civil wars throughout Europe. Have you ever taken history? US government has no place over there in a militarism sense. I've repeated myself enough.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly You're not only repeating yourself, you're also repeating what I've been saying all along. Libyans deserve the freedom to make their own choices, even if they turn out to be mistaken.
j1a2r34 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 And we have to follow to constitution! The senate decides who we go to war with, read the constitution, it takes only about an hour or two :P
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly I'm sure you really meant congress.
j1a2r34 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 Yep Congress.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 "Libyans deserve the freedom to make their own choices, even if they turn out to be mistaken."
And why is it our duty to help them with our money and military? America doesn't have enough financial problems at home? Not to mention America is in two wars before Libya as it is. The fact that president Obama went to war without the consent of the Congress shows me how covertly corrupt this president truly is. Read the actual Healthcare bill he's put into effect and you'll really see it.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly "And why is it our duty to help them with our money and military?" It isn't.
Obama is no better, and in some ways much worse than even GWB.
I get the feeling that (for some reason) you believe I favor US government intervention in the internal affairs of other foreign nations. I don't.
j1a2r34 11 months ago
@j1a2r34 So what's your argument?
j03y2fly 11 months ago
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@j03y2fly "So what's your argument?"
What it's been all along... that the US government has no business intervening in the internal affairs of other foreign nations.
It began with my response to your assertion that the US government ought to issue sanctions *exclusively* against the Libyan government, while simultaneously providing humanitarian aid *exclusively* to the rebels - as if that were a physical possibility.
j1a2r34 11 months ago
just look at a list of the Rothschild debt issue at usury central banks and you will find that all governments are puppets including the one you are puppet for RP>
TheTime4solutions 11 months ago
IMPEACHMENT FOR OBAMA, he has not received proper authority from the congress before going to war.
dadefinest305 11 months ago
@dadefinest305 We are not at war. We are preventing crimes against humanity.
67bandit67 11 months ago
@67bandit67 We're not at war we're just preventing crimes against humanity by....killing people? I love your logic.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
@j03y2fly Your logic is uprooted son. Do you want us to hand them flowers and say please stop? Sanctions do not work. A mass of unarmed civilians were going to be slaughtered at the request of Gaddafi. All i hear from you is COMPLAINTS. Where are your SOLUTIONS? You would be the first to bitch if we did nothing. Example, darfur.
You cannot have it both ways.
67bandit67 11 months ago
@67bandit67 I've given solution. Cut trades with the government and help the rebels financially. Gaddafi's army isn't killing random people, they're killing rebels; the rebels knew the risks when they wanted to go against him. I'm complaining about obama's way of doing it, which is we're at war to prevent the killing of people, by killing people. Gaddafi isn't a national threat, it's a civil war. Let them deal with their disputes, we have enough problems in America and we're in two other wars.
j03y2fly 11 months ago
Even though I don't agree with everything Ron Paul says, it's so refreshing to see a US Congressperson with a brain and not afraid to use it.
KasiJonz 11 months ago 6
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Ron Paul should just go retire.......
outovtuch 11 months ago
@outovtuch
Maybe you should.
2late2dally 11 months ago
Simple remedy to get the american sheeple to oppose this latest war- reenact the draft and force the upper classes to send their children over to fight these wars!
TheMasterofrevenge 11 months ago 2
@TheMasterofrevenge
it doesn't work like that. look at the vietnam war, the rich were able to "have favours" done to get their kids out.
ZeddZar 11 months ago
If there were no wars and policing, what would Israel and US do for economy?
stoneweapons 11 months ago
@stoneweapons That's rather sad that you'd want to continue war for an economy to strive. I hope that was a rhetorical question...
j03y2fly 11 months ago 2
@j03y2fly It called cynicism. It is a sarcastic joke, obviously...:)
MattIndigoWilliams 11 months ago
@MattIndigoWilliams Making sure lol..
j03y2fly 11 months ago
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Separation of Corporate and State please or..... I may just have to go back to the tally stick!
stoneweapons 11 months ago
The corporate beneficiaries of our day have reached a powerful dark age of influence, where the masses will allow their sovereignty to be assessed and deceived while they attempt to preserve a lifestyle that was once within reach.
stoneweapons 11 months ago