E39 M5 is probably the nices looking, best built and overall best M5 the world will ever see. This makes me sad because by the time I will be able to own and insure one, they will have long gone.
like everyone says there is just no way that the E60 is on 400 bhp mode for the first few videos , the last video yes , either that or the E39 is only running on 6 cylinders not on the full V8
@an50331 no, the M5/M6 is electronically throttle controlled. With no power mode on, the engine is limited electronically to 100% WOT. There are also other settings via iDrive where you can custom arrange your M mode settings. Things like, stability, damping and shocks, increase/decrease throttle response, which is part of Power Mode.... Reference: M6 Cabrio in stable.
I have the 03 e39 m5. As chronolegionx said "as it is it's great". But when I upgraded the suspension to Dinan with front and rear high perf. sway bars and struts, it makes a world of difference. It makes so much difference in taking corners (you can go in so much faster and accelerate much quicker).
@utubeusr8 This is correct. The suspension in the E39 M5 isn't where it should be for a car with that much power. The E60 has amazing suspension where you can corner as hard as you want and not feel the sway. Not to mention that the seats hug you when you going into a turn that hard too!!
The problem with these type of tests are the different persons, because they have different skills. It should be normal that the E60 is faster. But most times the E60s will not run in Sport modus - so I have a chance to catch them with my E39 M5.
Couple years ago I got a chance to drive an E39 M5 and pretty much fell in love with it. You wouldn't think it was a midsize sedan from the way it feels; you can throw it around like a sports car. Plus, I feel the power is just right; E60 may have a V10 but imo its actually too much power. lol when you remove the limiter the stock E39 will run on the sunny side of 180...thats more than fast enough for me. The E39 is just right; I wouldn't change a thing. Esp the V8 exhaust note...epic :)
25% more power, with launch control and SMG is quite the combination - after all it would be shocking if the e39 showed up the e60.
e60 is basically the evolved version: brakes harder, handles better and definitely out-powers the e39. Unless you have DRIVEN both, its quite hard to understand the impact of this evolution.
obviously the e60 is faster but i bet green money that the tires on that e39 sucked and thats why he couldnt get a good start, id like to see with brand new tires...
This is not rocket science. The E60 has a 507hp V10 with engine management technology trickled down from F1, the E39 has a 400hp V8 based on much older technology that is simply based on temperature and A/F based timings. Stock to stock there is simply nothing to evenh speak of. The E60 is head and shoulders above the E39 in every possible way. Though, for my money, I'd get the E39 and modify it.
If you have ever heard the E39's V8 exhaust note in person, it's almost worth buying one for the sound alone. I realize on paper the E39 is better, but coming from a person who has driven them both, the connection you feel with the E39 just isn't there with the E60.
according to the description the e60 m5 was running at p400 mode, if that's true or not who knows and maybe when in p400 mode the engine isn't actually at 400 bhp?
modifying BMW M models is the most stupid and disgusting thing in automitive world. the ONLY modification I agree with is the removal of the V-max limiter
wiseman, i agree.I think he knows about cars and you dont. Do you not understand? BMW M3, M5, M6, etc, you dont modify. It just doesnt look right. BMW is driving machine, not a toy car.,
quik4ever, stick with your cheap japanese modified cars. And the rest of us professionals with a bit of class will stick with our german cars
"BMW M3, M5, M6, etc, you dont modify. It just doesnt look right. BMW is driving machine, not a toy car" a car is a toy ...
by the way i just like italian car,dont like american cars, japan cars, i dont liked german cars, exept for m models, and bm didnt make them perfect so lets modify it, or explain me why not ... if u dont mopdify ur a pusi
quick4ever, you like italian cars. They look beautiful, yes, but they dont all have great chasis. We know it. Dont compare to the ferrari or lambo, we are talking about other italian cars that are competing with bmws. I like italians cars too, but i think you are the biggest stupid pussy in town.
Wiseman is right, wiseman knows about cars and quick4ever is a moron.
didn't tell they were perfect... (btw that was why i told u modify a car (from a fiat to a ferrari), to have it more perfect, k&n, spoilers... re just crap and spend money for nothin)
"Dont compare to the ferrari or lambo"
where ? i didnt compare anything to anything...
"we are talking about other italian cars that are competing with bmws"
im only speaking about m models...
"I like italians cars too" i dotn care about your life
i totaly agree with you, but i feel that an M car shouldn't be modified on the exterior (yea it looks awful) but if your a demanding person that wants more juice for whatever the reason, i say go for it.
I know itsn ot always horsepower. I mean suspension/intake/engine management tuning/tires/camber adjustment too. i assure you im not a redneck whos all about straightline and i have appreciation for the cars BMW makes. but i believe every car has room for improvement. and yes i've driven both theyre amazing for what they are.(Best family cars ever.If i ever get rich ill get one and keep it with bolt ons and have the evo as a race/weekend driver) so yeah I only cursed because it was ignorant
I agree there is always room for improvement, but every once in awhile you come across a car that you just love the way it is; I found that car when I drove the E39. The difference is, I don't think the E39 NEEDS the ESM and other tech that goes into the E60, regardless of the percieved "benefit". Over-automate a car and you lose the soul. Could I venture to guess (since you see my comment as ignorant) that you're not a huge fan of vintage cars?
your right. I love vintage cars. I would still mod the hell otu of a 63 stignray though. But i wont rice it out. Modding isnt ricing out i love how e60 m5 and e39 look i only do mods in funciton not appearance
heh, nice that we found some common ground then. A '63 Stingray with the '08 Z06 engine and modern chassis would be absolutely badass. I agree there is a difference between modding and ricing, and even though I wouldn't normally mess with an E39 M5, I WOULD rip out that 155mph limiter in a heartbeat :D
What The Fuck IS that fucking u peping your shit horn and the Other shit face draving the E39 hav got a E39 Disel Fast Won A E60 M5 Thts ballgous fucking the way u are draving ill get your ass in mein
Of course every1 wants the ultimate (max hp min weight)...so the E60 is a fat bastard! still sick, not to mention the tuner companies, RD sport makes a TT version pumping 800 Bhp! at that level 2 tons seems like 2 dumb-bells
looks wise yes... I think car companies should stick to the same design once they perfect one and just upgrade the internals... whats the e60 v10 into the e39 and u have the perfect car!!! e39 vs e60 for me a is a tough choice... std manual vs smg... man wins, looks? e39 hands down.. engine e60... so of the two!!!? nfi id get the e39 and chuch the v10 in there.
Didn't they improve the VANOS as well as other things when they improved the tech that went into the E60? It was much better when the E60 was running at 400, but still was sad that the E39 cept up that close to it even after aging, which shows how bad the E60's weight problem is. E39 > E60
hahaha... nice try... The e39 wasnt even close... My dad owns an e60 m5 and it weighs at most 4100lbs... not bad for a 4 door sedan of that size...The e39 weighs just over 4000lbs... recheck your facts I dont call 100lbs a huge disadvantage considering it has 100+ more hp
The e39 is 3957 and the e60 4100. Not that big of a deal. The e60 is amazing but the e39 did more than it was supposed in a classy saloon shell. Im glad I didnt upgrade.
True man. e39 is what we call proper BMW. I want to buy the new m5 since its bmwPower but the looks have ruined it and so I will give it a miss. No thanks to bangle.
Yup Im just gona keep the e39! No reason to get a new one, and Ive heard bad things about the 6m on the e60 also. Ive got 444rwhp as of now, so im thinking thats good enough for me...
No the new M5 is just that fast. It has better power delivery, better gearing, and most importantly it has the SMG transmission which helps minimize mistakes. Let's face it. Not everyone can shift like a pro so SMG does have some benefit.
Absolutely true. I start driving at 7-8 my father's car(4sp)in small towns, then trucks/cars in CA traffic, I had 9 cars no automatic yet & still it's easy to make bad start...
The E39 is better-looking (and better-looking than the F10 M5 for that matter), but the E60 trumps the E39 in every other way.
jaymum23 2 months ago
Thank you. I was always curious.
TravisBurrell 3 months ago
E39 M5 is probably the nices looking, best built and overall best M5 the world will ever see. This makes me sad because by the time I will be able to own and insure one, they will have long gone.
ILiquidCourageI 1 year ago
P400 just to [barely] get a standing chance?
You're a dick! (kidding...)
I still want an E39... give me like 6 years! lol
BJtheBassist 1 year ago
like everyone says there is just no way that the E60 is on 400 bhp mode for the first few videos , the last video yes , either that or the E39 is only running on 6 cylinders not on the full V8
lickaun 2 years ago
I do believe only the last roll was done with the e60 in p400 mode... since you know... thats the only one where it says that. Reading helps.
the69camerican 2 years ago
I'd take a E39 M5.....
ppappixx 2 years ago
There is no way that the E60 which is slightly heavier will pull that hard in P400 mode.
That was all 500HP from that V10.
Not believing that for a second.....
BumCake540i 2 years ago
does the e60 m5 really make 400 hp without the power mode engaged? seems like a gimmick to me
an50331 2 years ago
@an50331 no, the M5/M6 is electronically throttle controlled. With no power mode on, the engine is limited electronically to 100% WOT. There are also other settings via iDrive where you can custom arrange your M mode settings. Things like, stability, damping and shocks, increase/decrease throttle response, which is part of Power Mode.... Reference: M6 Cabrio in stable.
Mazda6B6 1 year ago
e39 can go up to 187mph i heard
DonLeone1 2 years ago 2
correct
blackXSpr 2 years ago
PERFECT!!!
tunc03 3 years ago 2
I have the 03 e39 m5. As chronolegionx said "as it is it's great". But when I upgraded the suspension to Dinan with front and rear high perf. sway bars and struts, it makes a world of difference. It makes so much difference in taking corners (you can go in so much faster and accelerate much quicker).
utubeusr8 3 years ago
@utubeusr8 This is correct. The suspension in the E39 M5 isn't where it should be for a car with that much power. The E60 has amazing suspension where you can corner as hard as you want and not feel the sway. Not to mention that the seats hug you when you going into a turn that hard too!!
one1uv4ev3r 2 years ago
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The m5 E39 100% stock is very slow
bastordd 3 years ago
O RLY? 195 mph derestricted, you dumb cunt.
JoshR343 3 years ago 7
I'm pretty sure it's 178 unrestricted, for the 4.9 V8, at least that's the American version (not sure if the Euro version is diff)
Kinkajou01 3 years ago
Yeah, 400 Hp, 360+ ft lbs of torque slow, idiot. You must not know very much about cars, let lone high performance cars...
Kinkajou01 3 years ago 2
The problem with these type of tests are the different persons, because they have different skills. It should be normal that the E60 is faster. But most times the E60s will not run in Sport modus - so I have a chance to catch them with my E39 M5.
giebnerm5 4 years ago 2
the e39 is the bestttttt m5 ever so you are the winner
RaZVaNice17 3 years ago 13
well the e60's got 2 extra pistons lol
SenorMcNasty28 4 years ago
Couple years ago I got a chance to drive an E39 M5 and pretty much fell in love with it. You wouldn't think it was a midsize sedan from the way it feels; you can throw it around like a sports car. Plus, I feel the power is just right; E60 may have a V10 but imo its actually too much power. lol when you remove the limiter the stock E39 will run on the sunny side of 180...thats more than fast enough for me. The E39 is just right; I wouldn't change a thing. Esp the V8 exhaust note...epic :)
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
Hm interesting video!
25% more power, with launch control and SMG is quite the combination - after all it would be shocking if the e39 showed up the e60.
e60 is basically the evolved version: brakes harder, handles better and definitely out-powers the e39. Unless you have DRIVEN both, its quite hard to understand the impact of this evolution.
But the looks of the e60?? Hmmmmmm...
terekus 4 years ago
I really could care less if the E60 has more brute force, the E39 is stll my favorite of the series. I don't care much for the E60's looks, either.
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
i couldn't agree more, the E39 is actually my favorite BMW, i could care less for the E60 and all of its electronics.
O1RudeBoy 4 years ago
it's depend of driver the e39 driver is not that match he did not use the all 400 hp
moem5 4 years ago
The E60 didn't win by that much because it was in P400 mode, meaning it only had 400hp on tap.
StreeTRacR008 4 years ago
obviously the e60 is faster but i bet green money that the tires on that e39 sucked and thats why he couldnt get a good start, id like to see with brand new tires...
CotajKlan 4 years ago
This is not rocket science. The E60 has a 507hp V10 with engine management technology trickled down from F1, the E39 has a 400hp V8 based on much older technology that is simply based on temperature and A/F based timings. Stock to stock there is simply nothing to evenh speak of. The E60 is head and shoulders above the E39 in every possible way. Though, for my money, I'd get the E39 and modify it.
xilix 4 years ago 2
If you have ever heard the E39's V8 exhaust note in person, it's almost worth buying one for the sound alone. I realize on paper the E39 is better, but coming from a person who has driven them both, the connection you feel with the E39 just isn't there with the E60.
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
[sic] excuse me, I meant to say "on paper the E60 is better" :)
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
according to the description the e60 m5 was running at p400 mode, if that's true or not who knows and maybe when in p400 mode the engine isn't actually at 400 bhp?
jimreppinb14 4 years ago
modifying BMW M models is the most stupid and disgusting thing in automitive world. the ONLY modification I agree with is the removal of the V-max limiter
wiseman2012 4 years ago 3
then u know nothing about real cars
quik4ever 4 years ago
wiseman, i agree.I think he knows about cars and you dont. Do you not understand? BMW M3, M5, M6, etc, you dont modify. It just doesnt look right. BMW is driving machine, not a toy car.,
quik4ever, stick with your cheap japanese modified cars. And the rest of us professionals with a bit of class will stick with our german cars
scarredcobra 4 years ago
"BMW M3, M5, M6, etc, you dont modify. It just doesnt look right. BMW is driving machine, not a toy car" a car is a toy ...
by the way i just like italian car,dont like american cars, japan cars, i dont liked german cars, exept for m models, and bm didnt make them perfect so lets modify it, or explain me why not ... if u dont mopdify ur a pusi
"of us professionals with a bit of class"
hmm explain me where ?
quik4ever 4 years ago
quick4ever, you like italian cars. They look beautiful, yes, but they dont all have great chasis. We know it. Dont compare to the ferrari or lambo, we are talking about other italian cars that are competing with bmws. I like italians cars too, but i think you are the biggest stupid pussy in town.
Wiseman is right, wiseman knows about cars and quick4ever is a moron.
scarredcobra 4 years ago
"they dont all have great chasis"
didn't tell they were perfect... (btw that was why i told u modify a car (from a fiat to a ferrari), to have it more perfect, k&n, spoilers... re just crap and spend money for nothin)
"Dont compare to the ferrari or lambo"
where ? i didnt compare anything to anything...
"we are talking about other italian cars that are competing with bmws"
im only speaking about m models...
"I like italians cars too" i dotn care about your life
quik4ever 4 years ago
ok then stop replying, jerk
scarredcobra 4 years ago
i totaly agree with you, but i feel that an M car shouldn't be modified on the exterior (yea it looks awful) but if your a demanding person that wants more juice for whatever the reason, i say go for it.
Loginasdfg 4 years ago
Dumbfuck, theres always room for improvement, i hate purist pricks like you .
markmorrow8o 4 years ago
"Improvement" doesn't always translate to "horsepower".
Oh, and markmorrow8 I assume you've actually driven these cars...or do you just get your rocks off cursing at strangers on YT?
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
I know itsn ot always horsepower. I mean suspension/intake/engine management tuning/tires/camber adjustment too. i assure you im not a redneck whos all about straightline and i have appreciation for the cars BMW makes. but i believe every car has room for improvement. and yes i've driven both theyre amazing for what they are.(Best family cars ever.If i ever get rich ill get one and keep it with bolt ons and have the evo as a race/weekend driver) so yeah I only cursed because it was ignorant
markmorrow8o 4 years ago
I agree there is always room for improvement, but every once in awhile you come across a car that you just love the way it is; I found that car when I drove the E39. The difference is, I don't think the E39 NEEDS the ESM and other tech that goes into the E60, regardless of the percieved "benefit". Over-automate a car and you lose the soul. Could I venture to guess (since you see my comment as ignorant) that you're not a huge fan of vintage cars?
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
your right. I love vintage cars. I would still mod the hell otu of a 63 stignray though. But i wont rice it out. Modding isnt ricing out i love how e60 m5 and e39 look i only do mods in funciton not appearance
markmorrow8o 4 years ago
heh, nice that we found some common ground then. A '63 Stingray with the '08 Z06 engine and modern chassis would be absolutely badass. I agree there is a difference between modding and ricing, and even though I wouldn't normally mess with an E39 M5, I WOULD rip out that 155mph limiter in a heartbeat :D
ChronoLegionX 4 years ago
e60 M5 is much better than the E39 M5.
moonknight66 4 years ago
What The Fuck IS that fucking u peping your shit horn and the Other shit face draving the E39 hav got a E39 Disel Fast Won A E60 M5 Thts ballgous fucking the way u are draving ill get your ass in mein
jurrani 4 years ago
The E39 is an M5, you can see the exhausts.
jmac606 4 years ago
Of course every1 wants the ultimate (max hp min weight)...so the E60 is a fat bastard! still sick, not to mention the tuner companies, RD sport makes a TT version pumping 800 Bhp! at that level 2 tons seems like 2 dumb-bells
Ttop50ryda 4 years ago
looks wise yes... I think car companies should stick to the same design once they perfect one and just upgrade the internals... whats the e60 v10 into the e39 and u have the perfect car!!! e39 vs e60 for me a is a tough choice... std manual vs smg... man wins, looks? e39 hands down.. engine e60... so of the two!!!? nfi id get the e39 and chuch the v10 in there.
OriginalAtomicSheep 4 years ago
Didn't they improve the VANOS as well as other things when they improved the tech that went into the E60? It was much better when the E60 was running at 400, but still was sad that the E39 cept up that close to it even after aging, which shows how bad the E60's weight problem is. E39 > E60
wtfandy 4 years ago
hahaha... nice try... The e39 wasnt even close... My dad owns an e60 m5 and it weighs at most 4100lbs... not bad for a 4 door sedan of that size...The e39 weighs just over 4000lbs... recheck your facts I dont call 100lbs a huge disadvantage considering it has 100+ more hp
mchamner 4 years ago
The e39 is 3957 and the e60 4100. Not that big of a deal. The e60 is amazing but the e39 did more than it was supposed in a classy saloon shell. Im glad I didnt upgrade.
hatch507hpm6 4 years ago
This can't be true..........i'm sorry,this e39 might have lost 100-150hp
DANNYE60545 4 years ago
a kto kogo v regime p400?
LeT4uK 4 years ago
e39 M5= a true BMW sport saloon.
hatch507hpm6 5 years ago
so iz e60 M5= a false BMW sport saloon ??? it haz better dynamics dan da e39 and iz waaaaaaaaay faster ... it wasnt even on P500S mode !!!
sfh2110 4 years ago
Anything bangle= ruined!!! The e39 was a briliant saloon that was easy to fall in love with, as for the e60 it is one you have to try hard to love.
hatch507hpm6 4 years ago 2
True man. e39 is what we call proper BMW. I want to buy the new m5 since its bmwPower but the looks have ruined it and so I will give it a miss. No thanks to bangle.
scarredcobra 4 years ago
Yup Im just gona keep the e39! No reason to get a new one, and Ive heard bad things about the 6m on the e60 also. Ive got 444rwhp as of now, so im thinking thats good enough for me...
hatch507hpm6 4 years ago
Notice how much more even it was when the E60 was running with 400hp.
turando43 5 years ago
omg tht e39 cnt b puttin out the standed 400 it must ave lost power
imtofatandlazy2make1 5 years ago
No the new M5 is just that fast. It has better power delivery, better gearing, and most importantly it has the SMG transmission which helps minimize mistakes. Let's face it. Not everyone can shift like a pro so SMG does have some benefit.
foleygac 5 years ago
Absolutely true. I start driving at 7-8 my father's car(4sp)in small towns, then trucks/cars in CA traffic, I had 9 cars no automatic yet & still it's easy to make bad start...
azzaQ 5 years ago
Also the new M5 may have been in P400 mode, but... it still has a V10 thus providing more torque in P400 mode than the standard E39 M5 (V8)
plumber60 4 years ago