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  • All that effort for just two kills? Pretty useless against almost 500 B-17s. If it had more fuel or was (ironically) slower, so it could either linger in the warzone or stay in an attack for longer periods before overshooting, it would've been more worth it. As is it was just one aircraft that was so fast and had so little fuel that it could only shoot down just two aircraft at best. Sign of desperation. Now, if there were a swarm of the little sods things could've been much different.

  • @Bubo25 Those two kills were two less bombers they had to worry about. Unlike what they show in this video, the Germans sent up as many rocketplanes at one time as their fuel supplies allowed.

  • @Bubo25 Two kills on one mission was pretty much all that any pilot could hope for with any aircraft of the time. Remember, standard fighter armament allowed for only 15 to 20 seconds of gun time before ammo was exhausted.

  • I dont believe it, the History Channel made a dogfight video where the Germans acutally WON!!

    Amazing!!!

  • 1:58 Mustangs the most advanced Allied Fighter of the time? This documentary isn't overlooking the Gloster Meteor or anything.

    Even the Spitfire is technologically equal to the mustang, with better turning ability and armament.

  • @gotsda the most advanced plane was the p-80 shooting star reached little over 610 mph best turing radius advanced armament and only served in EUROPE! in late 1945 some of this shows facts are a little wrong

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  • 8:37 heaton is an alien

  • that 163 was a fuking dangerous!

  • thank god the the axis secret weapons were'nt developed quickly enough

    

  • In the quiet memory

    To the unknown fighter pilots

    To the single fighters among them,

    to the never called gang airmen,

    to the association leaders.

    To the "black men"

    Of ground crew, without them an application

    this fighter pilot not at all

    it would have been possible.

    warbirds-power.de

  • WTF is all this shite drivel on this page--Get back to the subject or fuck off ! This little 'human missile' was a truly desperate late attempt by the Nazis, to make an impact on the allied air war. Too little too late--thank christ. If the D day landings had failed, all this amazing high tech stuff the Nazis had could have been produced in numbers that could/would have won them the war. What a fucking shock the allies had when they found all this amazing stuff. Don't bear thinking about----

  • @MrDaiseymay had hitler commenced ww2 in 1941 instead of 1939...

  • @1greenMitsi Problem was Hitler was insane, literally speaking. Hitler could have done many things that would have changed the war in his favor. He could have held the treaty with the Soviet Union, and not have stretched his army thin. Could have mass produced the ME 262 Jet Fighter which could have whipped out the Allied air power. Last but not least, could have put more effort into the Atomic Bomb program. Good thing he was insane huh?

  • @porpus99

    He was actually trying to buy time to build 262's, but ya you're right!

  • @porpus99 If he hadn't of been insane I would argue the initial campaign against France and Britain would have ended in a German defeat.

  • @porpus99 the me262 would have fell victum to the superior p-80 shooting star

  • @ww2guy100 They were not ready for service until after the war. The Nazi's were constantly coming up with new ideas to improve there weapons. If Hitler had mass produced the ME-262 the Nazi's could have strafed the hell out of the Normandy invasion force. With such high loses the Allies wouldnt have been able to make another invasions for a while.

  • @porpus99 they saw service in late 1945 just damageing supply line and some other things my neighbor flew one he flew planes from 1942-1968

  • @ww2guy100 Still were not that many produced, only around 83 by 1945. It took another year for them to modify a model so it can launch from an Air Craft Carrier. The ME-262 on the other hand was produced in 1941. If they had been mass produced, Normandy would have been a disaster for the allies, and Britain would have fallen not to long after.

  • @porpus99 yeah they just remade the carriers because of the new era of jets and I think youre confused with the me163 and so was the russian jet

  • @ww2guy100 They didnt remake the carriers until later. In the early days, around 1946, they modified P-80 to include a tail hook and other features standard for carrier landing.

  • @porpus99 By 1944, Germany didn't have enough pilots or even fuel left to cause any disasters for the allies. It didn't matter how many or what kind of planes they produced.

  • go full screen, try to exit. It's an iron cross!

  • @runningcockroach haha I notice that everytime!

  • @Danny77uk then give me a thumbs up............

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  • I absolutely love the "Dogfights" series

    BUT for some reason the most decisive aerial Battle of WWII does'nt even get a mention

    "The Battle of Britain" had its fair share of Dogfights which established some of the greatest Fighter Pilots of any era.

    Galland,Molders,Hartmann,Bader­,Doe,Townsend just to name a Few.

    It seems that yet again that an American made series only wants to consentrate on American

    Battles and Glories.

    They could have featured "Eagle Squadron" if nothing else.

  • WHAT ABOUT THE GO-229 FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK

  • @MRps3foreva

    The Production Ho-229 never flew during the war. The Me 163 did.

  • @MRps3foreva true that winged german jet fighter was awesome !

  • I like Teletubbies =D

  • so was the first jetengine jet built by the germans?? 

  • @LPBESSTBAND95 yes the Messerschmitt Me 262

  • @frank123612 ok ty, i was getting confused ^^

  • o6:36 KEEP GOING!!!

  • I USED "DUH111" cuz i was rushin u fuckin dumbass!!!! NO ONE LIKES UK EXCEPT THE WEST!!! I HATE NATO AND UN!!! AND U ANT CAL ME A NAZI!! U KNOW WHY??? CUZ THEY LICKIN AMERICAS N UK,S ASSS!!!! CALL SERBS NAZIS??? WE FOUGHT BOTH NAZIS IN WW2 AND NATO WITH THEIR TERRORISM ALIES IN 1999 WAR. IM GLAD NAZIS FOUGHT USA AND UK. CUS THEY BOMBED MY COUNTRY IN 1998-1998

  • @HybodusStudios

    You were "rushin" me? Is that the same as making a fool of yourself, for me?

    The opinion of the Western World, is the only one that counts, isn't it?

    But I can understand your pissy attitude.

    If my country started a racist civil war, and engaged in mass-murder, mass-rape, and attempted genocide, only to get their miserable asses kicked by the Americans, I'd probably be a cranky little sore loser, too.

    Why you're a moronic, racist, little turd, I don't know?

  • @skeilak Actually your gayass country did lots of genocides over the past hundred years the world really dosent know about!!! Native Americans, Niggers,invasion of mexico, u racist but thats ok I hate niggers too

  • @HybodusStudios

    Well, my dim-witted, racist little Serb, you might have an argument regarding the American Indians, although we had stopped that, by the 1880's, whereas you Serbs were attempting genocide in 1995. (Until we stopped it.)

    (You are so going to hate Angelina Jolie's new movie, “In the Land of Blood and Honey”! *L*)

    But please little man, explain how the 1848 Mexican War, was a genocide?

    Your use of the N-word, only proves what a total ass-wipe, and moron you are.

  • @skeilak USA did lots of genocides and imperialist measures( attack on Indians and land the, slavery, more land taken from mexians and indians alike, 1899 mexican american war when battleship Maine blew up in Cuba! US blames it for spain, they demanded war, took away puerto rica, Philippines from spain, later they murder millions of philipines, kill inocent vietnamese people, bomb civilian targets, and they bomb civilian targets on serbia NOT JUST military targets,

  • @HybodusStudios

    Imperialism, and deliberate, organized genocide, or "ethnic cleansing" as you nasty little Serbs called it, are very different things.

    Again, you can only cite examples from the 19th century. Unlike you racist, mass-raping murderers, who did your dirty work only 16 years ago.

    (We'll let starting WW1, slide. Thanks, Serbia!)

    So keep up your obvious racist lies, my little cesspool-dwelling loser, you're only making a fool of yourself.

  • @skeilak u just dont get it. go on wikipedia about serbian history. u callin us nazis?? we fought them twice in ww1 and ww2 along with their facist allies(romania,bulgaria,italy,­then croatia, and albanians. so u see the roots of the conflict in 1990s had its roots

  • @HybodusStudios

    Yes, you Serbs have always attached yourselves to the Russians.

    And true, you've never been able to get along with your neighbors.

    So, is that the lame excuse you offer, for starting a civil / race war, deliberately attacking and pillaging civilians, the deliberate and organized mass-rape of helpless women and girls, the planned mass-murder of non-combatants, or attempted genocide; all in the name of a Greater Serbia?

    Nazis are, as nazis do, you racist Serb turd.

  • @skeilak u just dont get it. albanians guerilla terrorists invaded our soil killing serb civilians before, during and after the kosovo war. that was called ethnic cleansig. today only 7% serbs live only in northern part of serbia. albanain mudufuckers which u call allies r tryin 2 create illyria or greatar albania. it existed in ww2 under nazi-italian support. anyway NATO( north american terrorists organization helped their counterpart terrorists to create their new puppet state. good job

  • @HybodusStudios

    Yes, that tiny, ethnic Albanian minority were all "terrorists".

    So naturally, burning their homes, raping their women, and shooting their men through the back of their heads, and dumping their bodies in mass-graves, was the proper, civilized way, for the bloody Serb militias to behave.

    Same thing with the Muslim minorities, right? I'm sure they were all "terrorists", too.

    Just like the Jews, Gypsies, and Slavs, were "terrorizing" the nazis, right Serb?

  • @skeilak MAN the western media got ur pea-sized brain filled with lies!!!! see during Vietnam war the media told the truth what happened. the Americans heard grunts killed Vietnamese civilians and protested!!! the other group supported the grunts and the us lost it cause of the protests and guerrillas. and U know what?? when the murderous veterans came home the group that opposed the conflict called them killers while the other group called them losers 4 losing war.

  • @skeilak SO U SEE AFTER THE VIETNAM WAR THE ARMED FORCES LIED ABOUT THE SERBS VICTORIES LIKE SHOOTIN 100 or so NATO planes in 80 days but they lie about what really didnt happened like serbs lining up civilians and shooting them. BUT YES THE SErBS DID EXECUTE THOSE GUERILLAS WITH GUNS, THEY HAD NO UNIFORM ITS AGAINST THE RULeS OF WAR> US ARMY EXECUTED NAZI COMMANDOS BEHIND ALLIED LINES DURING BATTLE OF THE BULGE. WHILE ALBANAINS KILLED SERBIAN, ROMA CIVILIANS BEFORE, DURING< AND AFTER KOS WAR

  • @skeilak READ THOSE TWO BELOW I JUST POSTED

  • @HybodusStudios

    Of course, everyone is a liar, except the racist little Serb turd.

    And of course, the mighty Serbs shot down 100 NATO aircraft. Our "state-controlled" media just hushed that up, right?

    Just like they faked all those videos of the Serb militias, looting and burning people's homes, raping women, rounding up civilians, and later, unearthing their bodies from the mass graves.

    Yes, all history is a lie, unless told by a racist little Serb turd.

  • @skeilak u just dont get it do u?? once again the albanians did it!! all those atrocities!! the only evidence of the so called serb forces killoing them was when national geographic showed a picture when serbs killed albanian militia with their AK-47s laying with them> one last time serbs wen t in kosovo to secure OUR SOIL WHICH WAS OURS and to protect civilians and xpel terrorists

  • @HybodusStudios

    Being a racist, moronic turd, apparently, you're too stupid to get it.

    The evidence of the Serb's pillaging and burning of villages, their deliberate, and organized mass rapes of women and girls, the mass murders of non-combatant men and boys, as well as the attempted genocide, in the name of "ethnic cleansing", is all available on-line, and incontrovertible.

    And all your stupid, feeble lies can't change that.

  • @skeilak Only the western media will lie about that. Maybe NATO should not have intervened to help those terrorists we would have driven them out of our soil. Genocide? HAH!! the terrorists known as KLA have ethnic eleansed kosovo!! before the war 90% serbs very few albanians. today 99% albanians and 1 % serbs along with some roma. the albanians starting border conflicts they want more land!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    Yes, yes... All of the world's news agencies, and independent journalists, got together and decided to make up lies about the war crimes committed by a backward little country that most people had never heard of before.

    Fortunately, one angry, stupid, racist, nazi-loving, little Serb turd, tells the "truth", about how the poor little Serbs were victims of their local ethnic minorities.

    Yeah, that all sounds pretty believable, doesn't it?

  • @skeilak Yes, yes...... Doesn't it make sense??? the agencies decided to lie because so many of their advanced aircraft been shot down by obsolete soviet-designed SAMs over serbia defending their country that they didn't want their own citizens to know what the price was for entering serbian airspace . So u see advanced Nazi-japanese blueprints that influenced their aircraft postwar didn't save them from being destroyed by well-camouflaged SAMs. those infiltrators only destroyed decoys.

  • @HybodusStudios

    Oh indeed, the half-assed, amateur Serb militias shot down thousands of state-of-the-art NATO aircraft with their junky, second-rate, 1970's era, Soviet AA rockets.

    Which is really impressive, since a US AMRAM missile usually blew-up their targeting radar, as soon as the idiots turned it on. Immediately followed by a 2000lbs. PAVEWAY smart bomb destroying the rocket launchers, and killing the crew.

    Your lies are pathetic, even for a stupid, racist Serb turd.

  • @skeilak Yes yes indeed, not to mention that NATO warplanes bombed innocent civilians with their puny camera-guided bombs. I'm sure those (playboys) enjoyed that international flying game of "who can bomb more targets before they surrender to our TERROR BOMBING??" YES we killed dozens of Militia insurgents that were invading our soil to ethnic cleanse Kosovo for their puny empire. Yes We shot down lots of the so called State-of-the -art NATO warplanes to obsolete SAMs! isn't that amazing?

  • @HybodusStudios

    Your lies are getting stupider, with every new comment.

    2000 lbs. of high explosives, were a very good way to stop Serb mortars and howitzers from shelling a village of helpless civilians. Not very healthy for their crews either, were they?

    But why don't you tell us all about the noble and glorious rapes and murders committed by the Serb Beli Orlovi, Arkan's "Tigers", and those pillars of morality, the Srpska Dobrovoljačka Garda?

  • @skeilak Serb's pillaging and burning of villages ? serb only murder on balkan ? serb bla bla bla : ) who kill serbian in balkan war ? maybe also serb : ) Beli Orlovi, Arkan's "Tigers" ? evry side on balkan have irregular army and croat and bosnian musli 1992-1995 and serb !!! and albany terorist 1998-1999 ! ! ! KLA is irregular : )

  • @skeilak But big terorist in worly is you country USA : ) 1950-1953. Koreja/1954. Gvatemala/1961. Kuba/1961-1973 Vijetnam/1965. Dominikan Republik/1983. Liban/1986. Libija/1989. Panama/1991. Irak/1992. Somalija/1994. Haiti/1998. Sudan/1999 Yugoslavia/2001. Avganistan/Libija 2011/ who is next ?

  • @waaasteee

    Did I ever say anyone had clean hands in the Balkan War?

    But the Serbs starting shooting first, and had the most guns and money.

    And really, little man, at least bother to actually learn American history, before making such a total fool of yourself.

  • @skeilak really : ) this same serb safe 500 american pilot in WW2 this same serb fight on alied side in WW1 and WW2 and gives 3 000 000 live for freedom and alied !!! this same serb fight for freedom 500 year and nov this serb is big evil in the planet : ) what you see on TV !? little man ? evry man is littl on the planet evry man dies one day ! and you teach how to respect other people and nations in the world,USA is nort only country in the world !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @waaasteee Yes yes!! finally somebody understands what i'm talking about!! the so called"skeilak" is a facist supporter of hitler and the NATO war machine. lets be allies and overrun this Facist devil with T-34 STYLE!!

  • @HybodusStudios overrun this Facist Devil!!

  • @skeilak Your lies r getting insane and desperate, mentioing desperate, U now fighting on two fronts!! Me and an unexpected allie!! U now Hitler's Germany!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    You really are pathetic, even for a little racist Serb turd.

    Between your ridiculous lies, and your childish attempt to just repeat what I've said to you, back at me, you truly present a picture of a typically weak, and stupid, racist.

    You can't change history, turd, no matter how much you whine and stamp your feet.

  • @skeilak Really?? I cant change history!! The world will turn against the Fascist Imperialistic US and North America's Terrorists's Organization!! As 4 me I'll be operating inside Albania and kosova. blowing up churches, graveyards belonging to the free-terrorist country,and analite the largest US base which is inside kosovo!!! U thr 1st American that I that supports terrorists!! Me/?? a nazi?? look who's talking!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    You are so delightfully stupid - even for a racist Serb turd.

    Dreaming of invading other countries? Blowing up churches and graveyards? And calling other people "terrorists", on top of it all.

    How could anyone call you a nazi?

    Too bad all you really are, is just a frustrated, weak little laughing stock, from a little shit-hole country, that nobody likes.

  • @skeilak LIKE I SAID 4 MILLIONTH TIME! NATO R TERRORISTS! THEY BOMBED MY COUNTRY!3000 CIVILIANS KILLED BY THEIR FASCIST WARPLANES AND ENDLESS NUMBERS OF ROMA N SERBS KILLED BY KLA BEFORE,DURING N AFTER THE CONFLICT,SAYING THEY WANT INDEP FROM US IS THERE WAY OF ANNEXING LAND! FUCKING ARAGANT USA CUNT! U DON'T KNOW SHIT!SHUT THE HELL UP, U BITCHED ABOUT YOUR POLITIC AND HISTORICAL POINT-OF-VIEW FAR ENOUGH!CALM DOWN OR NEW YEARS WILL BRING HELL ON U! HAPPY NEW YEAR OR ANGRY NEW YEAR?

  • @HybodusStudios

    Calm down, little boy.

    Having temper tantrums doesn't make you look any smarter, you know?

    Besides, I thought you just said you would be spending this year, blowing up churches, and desecrating cemeteries, not making a fool of yourself on YouTube?

    By the way, how many of those 3000 "civilians" were in the militias, and actively murdering helpless people, at the time of their death?

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  • @HybodusStudios

    Wow...seriously? Looks like your own people do a better job at killing each other off...

  • @EvilxMerlin Yes the nazis and their facist allies!!! look it up dumbass on wikipedia!!! ull regret it!! Invasion of Yugoslavia!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    Not sure what you are getting at...

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  • @EvilxMerlin then you're fucked

  • @HybodusStudios

    Actually looks like your whole country got fucked.

  • @EvilxMerlin Yes, my country got fucked by turks, austrian nerds, mafia drogs, nazi quers, Alb rats, romanian,bulgarian and hungary shitheads, then nato and agsin alb drogs.

    Hitler did said in 1944 "we may be destroyed, but other countries will be pulld with us. And yes Serbs and Jews were most affected.

  • @HybodusStudios

    Well if you could take care of your own country, you wouldn't have to worry about it now would you.

  • @EvilxMerlin Oh yes, we take great care of pride in our country. Like protecting our heartland from Terrorists like u!!! And Turk Turds!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    Just like Americans take great pride in America. Except they could bomb your country back into the stoneage. Not like you didn't already nearly do it to yourselves already.

  • @EvilxMerlin I'll be sure to send your country straight to hell with my communist allies if they attempted to do that again.

  • @HybodusStudios

    Communism is dead. Its always been dead.

  • @EvilxMerlin hah hah!! Communism is still alive in some countries!!! and in the hearts of those Freedom Fighters who are against Imperialism!!! U DUMBASS!!! the only country u know that was communist was USSR!! AM I RIGHT!! They split Yugoslavia because it was just a communist country!! We had Peace and Harmony till assholes within ruined it!!! Supported by Imperialistic Capitalistic Shitheads!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    Yeah and those countries are doing so well for themselves... And the USSR really wasn't communist, it was a Marxist–Leninist single-party socialist state. Not even close to Communist.

  • @EvilxMerlin nope, as long as north korea still exist... China is not really Communist now, it's communist but runs at the direction of democracy.

  • @quangluu96

    North Korea isn't really Communist either.Its Juche. Which is RELATED to Commuism but is infact much different and its been that way since 1972.

  • @EvilxMerlin more like totalitarianism?

  • @HybodusStudios Your lies r getting insane and desperate, talking about desperate u removed your comment mentioning that and now u fighting against me and and unexpected supporter!! Now look who's fighhting on two fronts!1 u know Nazi Germany!!

  • 6:43 haha keep going

  • Is this another one of those STUPID History Channel shows?? Why is this recommended to me?

    That channel is literally talking out of its ass.

  • If america did not get the german u-boot late in war, with 600kg of enriched u 235, and detailed plans af a german a-bomb, it has taken years to built the own bomb, thats fact!

    Think waht you think, I know what I know!

  • I love how one of the Germans' secret weapons were four-engined bombers that had been in service of other air forces for years.

  • Just think of how things would've been so different if Germany got those into production early in the war. It would've been a nightmare for the allies.

  • My Government teacher is in this episode :D

  • Hmm....I'm pretty sure that's not a "propeller" on the nose, but an "impeller". A propeller "propels" something. The 163 was certainly revolutionary, but more deadly to the pilots than the enemy, literally. They lost more to accidents than enemies they killed. It sometimes blew up on takeoff, and landing on a skid caused lots of back injuries (3 shattered vertebrae in one test pilot). Also, they make it sound like it had super-powerful cannons, but the 262 had 4 of the same gun, the 30mm MK108.

  • so they could fly with that thing to space....ofc it would not survie the atmosfair but still....

  • @Nikitos253 No, I doubt it had the burn time to break out of gravity, first, and second, it would have been uncontrollable in the thin upper atmosphere, let alone in space. How do you keep it pointed at space when the wings aren't making lift and the controls aren't responding? Believe it, it never could have made it out of the atmosphere. The V2, on the other hand, could, and did, because it was far more powerful and was ballistic, rather than controlled by flight surfaces.

  • @justforever96 whatever

  • @Nikitos253 No need to be an ass just because I said you were wrong. I'm wrong a lot and I don't get all huffy when someone tells me so.

  • what about catfights?

  • doubt it

    

  • the me 163 would have worked well if the aircraft was bigger

  • how i guy can survive mach 5

  • i love dogfights

  • For maniacal mass-murderers, the Nazis were quite ingenious

  • @janissary500

    Whoever said ALL german scientists were nazis or even symphatized with the nazis??

    Very few Germans even knew what they did to the jews and other people in countries they invaded. Most Germans thought they fought for the survival of Germany and surrendering to foreign powers like they did in WW1 was a serious no-no.

  • Schubert, the invisible pilot strikes again

  • the radio controlled bomber were stupid. dunno why they are even in this

  • "Most unique"? It is either unique or it is not. There is no "most unique".

  • @Br5499b /sign

  • @Br5499b ur a grammer nazi

  • @Br5499b once somebody votes on a top comment then everybody does

  • @Br5499b Thank you,split infinitives set my teeth on edge.

  • When you think about it. What a rush once that thing takes off.

  • @ShadrikLOL check yourself the documents or travel to poland and check yourself and underground facilities.

  • @ShadrikLOL bullshit, thats why allied forces found many many documentations about them, especially the sauberger levitation device....

  • am i the onlyone that said wtf when the commentater said suicide subs

  • @MRps3foreva

    You've never heard of the Kaiten? Well, the Japanese did not only make Suicide planes, they made Planes, boats, torpedoes, etc...

  • Another classically hare-brained nazi weapons system.

    A ridiculous waste of resources, manpower, and money.

    The greatest Komet ace claimed to have shot down two bombers?

    Out of over 400. That left only 398 to rain death and destruction down on Germany.

    Congratulations, Friz! You saved the Reich. *LOL*

  • @skeilak This thing wasnt designed to make many kills, but to show the enemy how advanced the nazi's technology was, and how they had to fear them. They wanted the Allies to stop the bombing attack, and didnt want to stop the bombers from reaching the target, which was impossible, even with 400 planes, that the Luftwaffe didnt hjave at the same spot

  • @andromedarr

    The "Komet" was one of a number of lunatic projects the nazis wasted their time, money and resources on.

    Others included the "Natter" project, (an even cheaper variant of the Komet concept,) the "Waterfall" anti-aircraft missile, a dozen or so weird aircraft, none of which they had fuel or engines for, all the "V" weapons, the "Maus" giant tank, their atomic bomb project, and the list goes on.

    All of them, equally stupid, desperate, and pointless.

  • @skeilak I dont understand why they wasted all their time. Developing an AA Missle is smart, and if the war would have taken longer, who knows, maybe the missile would help, the V weapons where extremely good, and would have been helpful, and the atomic bomb project....hm it wasnt useless for america, eh? So why should it be for the germans. It is an opportunity to gain thousands of square miles with one bomb.

  • @andromedarr

    You're not taking into account reality. All these exotic weapons came about when Hitler's Reich was already circling the drain. And none of them were going to change that.

    Example: What would have been more useful? Spending 100's of millions on the V-2 rockets, which were utterly useless, or putting that effort into building more of the proven FW-190 fighters?

    Of course, the blame rests on Hitler, who (Thank goodness!) idiotically forbade new "defensive" weapons.

  • @skeilak If the war was longer, the weapons may proved to be effective.

    More Fw190 Fighters would nto do anything, as the pilots that fly them need to be trained, and then, they are unexperienced, which lead to the death of the Luftwaffe.

    A V2 in the end of its development could strike much harder than an Fw190 could.

    And aditionally, a Fw190 doesnt have the fear factor of a big ass rocket, that could strike anything, and you dont know what comes next by such an enemy.

  • @andromedarr

    Fear factor? From the people who shrugged off The Blitz?

    As if the Allies would sue for peace on the nazi's terms, because of either the V1s or V2s?

    You see? That's my point. A V2 was just an incredibly expensive way to drop a 2000lbs. bomb, on a target no smaller than a large city. Utterly useless, militarily.

    Besides, the war wasn't going to last any longer than August or September, 1945, in any case. Because that's when the US planned to drop the first atom bomb on Germany.

  • @skeilak Its not to make the Allies surrender, but to throttle the bombings and invasions, which would give the nazis time to make better weapons and even gather troops.

    The V2 may be expensive, but is much much harder to shoot down than a plane, which is a huge plus, as the luftwaffe was almost beaten in the late war. The V3 could make dust out of london without taking hundrets of german pilots and crewmembers with it. And it all gave time, if the things where succesful

  • @andromedarr

    Well, none of the nazis crazy schemes were going to buy them any more time, nor would any more time have gained them anything. Where could the nazis have "gathered more troops" from? They were already using 15yo boys, and 60yo men? How were they going to equip them?

    But you're missing the point.

    The V2 was impossible to shoot down. So what? It was just a 2k bomb. Totally useless.

    What "V3" are you talking about? The bomber, or the stupid big gun?

    And what about the US A-Bomb?

  • @skeilak Gathering troops was the wrong word. But more time = more eqipment for the poorly equipped soldiers, and better training for the ones back from the front.

    The point with the V2 was, that it has more effect than a 2000 pound bomb, as it hits the target better.

    With V3, i mean the england-canon.

    And for the Nuclear bomb, that is a real argument. But i think nazis had a plan for that, although i am not saying that that plan could have been effective

  • @andromedarr

    By late 1944, Germany was running out of everything.

    Oil, aluminum, copper, chrome, titanium, precision machine tools, intact railroad tracks, bridges, their electric power grid, money, trained men, "friends", food, and above all, competent leadership.

    The nazis didn't have a clue as to how to build an atomic bomb. Nor the resources, if they had. In fact, the Japs. were way ahead of them.

    They could be pesky with their "super weapons", but nothing more. They were doomed in 1941.

  • @skeilak If they didnt have a clue how to build the bomb, noone would have warned America (Einstein and several other scientists wrote a letter to america, saying that germany wants to build a nuclear bomb).

    They could at least get the recources for one bomb, otherwise, all the experimental planes would not exist.

    I agree with the rest, though

  • @andromedarr

    Einstein, physicist Leo Szilard, and economist Alexander Sachs' letter to FDR only hinted that Germany was also researching uranium.

    But the fact remains, that in real-life, the nazis were way off track, from creating a bomb. Even the Japs. had figured out a uranium implosion was necessary.

    As to resources; you do realize, that adjusted for inflation, the Manhattan Project is still the single most expensive thing ever done by the US Gov't.?

    How could Germany, have matched that?

  • @skeilak You just say that the nazis didnt know to that day. Who knows, maybe the Japs told them how to do it (they whre allies, so why shouldnt they help their allies to kill the enemy), and everything came different.

    Unlikely, yes, but not impossible.

    Germany didnt have any money long before the war ended, so money was not the problem, hitler could make every worker to do his work without payment, he just had to kill some of them, if they didnt want

  • @andromedarr

    Did we tell our allies, the Soviets, how to build a Bomb?

    The nazi A-bomb project is very well documented.

    Heisenberg admitted, (after the war,) he was completely off-track, in his attempt to create a Bomb.

    So, yes, a nazi atom-bomb was all but impossible.

    We are not talking about salaries, but vast amounts of stuff. You need money for that. Even in nazi Germany.

    You really need to read the history of the Manhattan Project to understand how ridiculous the idea of a nazi A-bomb was.

  • @skeilak Of course you didnt tell, but America didnt like the Sovjets very well, the only reason why they where allies is that they had the same enemy. America helped the soviets with advancing on their front but would never do anything that gives the soviets more power than the americans want, and with a nuclear bomb, they have just that. Things like the Cuba Crysis are serious.

    And you dont need much money, soldiers in Russia didnt get payed and still fought (Story by a grandfather)

  • @andromedarr

    Well, the nazis and Japs. had a similar relationship. The racist nazis called the Japs. "yellow apes" behind their backs, and the Japs. thought the nazis were racist fools, typified by their treatment of the Jews.

    Apparently, you missed my point. It takes a big, whopping, sh*t-load of money, and resources, to build an Atom Bomb from scratch. Neither of which, the nazis had in abundance.

    Heisenberg said, he'd rejected both the "gun type" and "implosion type" bombs as unworkable.

  • @skeilak Oh, ok, i didnt know that, thanks :)

    But as i said, if you know how to make men work, you can get most of them to do that without paying much or any money. So you coud get away with paying less than needed.

    But hey, lets not spam Historystartsnow's comments, everyone has their own perspectives, i just wanted to know yours. I still think that most of the weapons worked. May not as good as they wanted, but it helped a little.

  • @andromedarr

    You're not getting it. It's not people you have to pay for - it's things.

    And lots, and lots, of things, are required to build an atomic bomb.

    Think about just this; the US, one of the world's biggest copper producers, didn't have enough copper to build the giant electromagnets needed to purify the U238, for the Bomb. They had use silver, taken from the US Treasury, to make the wire windings.

    Germany, had no such resources. And no way of acquiring them.

  • @skeilak If you want recources (and germany had them back in the 1930s) without much money, you can get them too, you just have to do the same you did with the scienteists to the mine-workers etc.

    And you dont even need to completely purify the U238 (i believe the only reason why they did is to stuff more of it into the same place), as only a little part of the nuclear material even split during the expolsion.

  • @andromedarr

    OK... I can see this is pointless.

    I don't know how many times I said we weren't talking about people, but material?

    Or how often I have to repeat that inventing, and building, an A-Bomb from scratch, is a massive undertaking, requiring knowledge and resources that the nazis did not, and could not, possess.

    But I will again suggest, that you read the history of both the US "Manhattan Project", and nazi's efforts, and then return, and argue from a position of knowledge.

    Later...

  • Hm, too bad material is nothing, and costs nothing, you just need (or in the nazis case dont need) to pay the men that get the material out of the ground, that is what you didnt understand.

    How can you even know that some other guy wasnt on the right track, just burnt the record, as many nazis did? The USA as the winner, can write what ever they want and everyone believes it. I dont want to say that it is easy to build the bomb, but the USA probably exaggerated in showuing how much it takes

  • @andromedarr

    Yes, yes... All of History is a big conspiracy. *yawn* Heard it all before.

    You're right. The stupid nazis were just minutes away from inventing, then building an Atom-Bomb.

    Because everyone knows, making an Atom-Bomb, is easy.

    That's why it took the Russians five long years to make one, during peacetime, even after their spies told them how to do it.

    Sure, sure... Whatever...

  • @skeilak You know, i normaly dont have to say it, as the guys or girls i argue with know what they are talking about. But There are so many fails in the History USA telled (For example that Germany started both wars).

    And you are completely relying on what we sure know, for example that this specific Scientist didnt have a clue.

    You dont know how many guys killed themselves to save them from the russians or americans, so noone knew how far they developed.

  • @andromedarr

    The Germans did start both world wars. That's not "American" history. That's World history. And proven fact.

    Who are these Nazis who "killed themselves" to save who or what, from the Americans or Soviets?

    Most Nazi scientist's and engineer's were worried about saving their own skins, and made every effort to surrender to the Americans and British, bringing all their work with them as insurance, because they knew what the Soviets would do with them.

  • @skeilak Germany didnt start both world wars. Well, the second one was, but with an Austrian leader. WW1 was caused by austria, which called germany for help because one guy from the east killed someone of the royl family, and as soon as they knew they couldnt win, they asked germany, and later, germany suffered most.

    I dont know who they are, thats why nothing is known about them. Gas and Matchsticks can make a corpse indecipherable, and their work with them, especially back then. 

  • @andromedarr

    WW1 started on August 2nd 1914, when the GERMANS executed their "Schlieffen Plan", and preemptively invaded Luxemburg, Belgium, and France.

    The Germans started shooting, first. Read a history book.

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    Oh, so all of these many "unknown" German Nuclear Physicists committed suicide?

    Strange how you "know" this, when it's not mentioned in single history book, isn't it?

    It must be great to "know" so much history, that on one else has ever heard of.

  • @skeilak Austria asked Germany for help in attacking the east :) I dont know where you got that (maybe American written history), but that is wrong.

    These Nuclear Physics can be supressed by the winner, America has always been an asshole (the politics) and lied about so many things, why shoudltn they lie on this one? It helps in saying that their country is soooo great, so they probably did it. History Books (especially those written by AMerica) are complete bullshit, as they are not objective.

  • @andromedarr

    Dude, you're a pissy little ignoramus, a German, and a troll.

    Go away.

  • @skeilak Right, i am a troll, because of i am not believing everything that is in a history book, but ask why it is that way, although most things are saying something different. I am more like a smart person, you sound like a member of the government -.-

    And did you just use "German" as a swearword? Well then, fuck you, then you are just the american nationalist that belives everathing the government says...stupid american...

  • @andromedarr The V2 rocket was a magnificent waste of source and has the infamous title of being the only weapon in history that claimed more lives during its production than during its application.

    all in all a useless piece of pig iron

  • @barbwire7308 Well, it never really reached the state where it could be used, so off course it took more own live than enemy ones.

  • @andromedarr rxcuse me but the V2 was used quite a bit during WWII. But still more people were killed making it mainly the slave workers in the infamous Dora Mittelbau KZ. Which is still a historical anomaly

  • @skeilak

    Uh, HOW were the V2 rockets useless? The allies couldn't intercept or shoot them down. As a ballistic missile the V2 was something quite extraordinary. Needless to say Operation Paperclip made sure those top German rocket scientists ended up on the western side after WW2.

    Both the western allies and the Soviet Union made it a top priority to get their hands on one of the V2's.

  • @WASPTexas

    Yes, the V2 rockets were an utterly useless weapon.

    They killed more people in their manufacture, than in their deployment. (Mostly Jewish slave labor.) Where ridiculously expensive, both in terms of finance and critical war materials, and even wasted a significant portion of the German potato crop, to ferment their alcohol fuel, all at a time when Germany was rapidly running out of such resources.

    So yeah, the V2 was both useless, and stupid. (Much like the nazis.)

  • @skeilak u stupid cunt

  • @HybodusStudios

    As stupid as a little boy in love with nazis?

    I'm sure you look cool, goosestepping around your bedroom, in your lederhosen. *LOL*

  • @skeilak shut up i hate NATO and UN for bombin serbia in 1998- 1999 and the nazis for attackin it in 1941-1945 But i credit them fightin the decadent americans like U!!! and the British Wankas!!! Also the russians because they scary like ants!! i wanna see more secret nazi weapons if the allies didnt defeat them so soon!! U FUCKIN NIGA WANKA!!

  • @HybodusStudios

    Well, sonny, someone had to stop the Serb's viscous, racist mass-murders, mass rapes, and attempted genocide. And it seemed that the rest of Europe, who should have handled that evil situation, chose to sit on their hands, as usual.

    And once again, America is called upon to be the world's police.

    And criminals usually hate the police, don't they?

    And the fact that you love the Nazis, comes as no surprise.

  • @skeilak

    Did I write, "viscous"? Darn spell-checker...

    Obviously, I meant "vicious".

    Oh, and Hybodus..? If the Nazi scientists and Generals were so smart, why did they blindly follow a mentally deranged, homicidal idiot, into defeat, humiliating surrender, the destruction of their nation, and a thousand years of shame?

  • @skeilak CUZ hitler was the boss DUh111 if they didnt follow orders they be ordered back to the fatherland or fire