Oh you have GOT to be kidding me. I can't even start to list the distortions that the libtards use on this. Using the Fifth Amendment to strike down democratically passed ballot measures? Repeatedly lying about what churches have said on this issue. Lieberal are FAR FAR worse.
You mention the 5th amendment. Why? There's no mention of it in this video.
I'd like to hear why you think these are distortions.
Incident #1 - had nothing to with marriage of any kind and it took place well before anyone knew what Prop 8 was.
Incident #2 - did not involve a church's 501(c)3 exemption. They received an exemption on a building that stipulated that it must be open to the public.
Incident #3 is a matter of perspective and opinion for sure.
@bearchewtoy75 It is also note worthy to examine that the New Jersey religious group retained a grant from tax payers to restore this same public location that the brought on the case. You can not use federal tax payer dollars to discriminate against the tax payers. So in essence that same people denied access help pay to improve the property.
@bearchewtoy75 It is also note worthy to examine that the New Jersey religious group retained a grant from tax payers to restore this same public location that the brought on the case. You can not use federal tax payer dollars to discriminate against the tax payers. So in essence that same people denied access help pay to improve the property.
@bearchewtoy75 You people don't even know your own BS. They use the equal protection clause which is derived from the fifth amendment. It was used in Iowa. It's complete BS as can be taken from your complete and utter ignorance of this issue.
First off, "you people" is me. I am individual who made this video. I am not associated with any organization.
Once again, there is no mention of the 5th Amendment this video and it had nothing to do with the examples mentioned. This video has nothing to do with Iowa.
"They" who?
You say the video is BS. Fine. Please provide facts to refute it.
@bearchewtoy75 What am I doing? Do you need a definition of facts? Look up the fifth amendment. Look up how the Iowa supreme court is corrupt and messed up. And look up how they overturned a democratic attempt to shore up the definition of marriage using a legitimate ballot measure. We have democracy on our side, all the other side has is corrupt judges and prostitute-using governors.
Wow, I am speechless. This is such a great rebuttal add!!! Thank you for looking up all the information and busting NOM's shameless campaign of hate and homophobia. Hopefully more adds like this one will spring up.
they're a bunch of inbred mormons, since you hide the fact that the mormons are the ones that gave money and started the nom, national organization for marriage, it should be ABNORM, since they're all related,, your daughter is also your sister and your brother is also your son
@kharon8 Well... they are all actors, so I don't know if I would say it's a lie since many political ads use actors... the real lie (or at least lack of truth) come into play when you know that
-The case mentioned has nothing to do with same sex marriage
- It was a case that dealt with discrimination and medical treatment
@ToxicSeth Well, in my personal opinion, there is no right religion because all of them are wrong. Christianity is the dominant religion in this country, so that's where most of the objection to anything pro-gay comes from. It is funny how you rarely see a non-Christians debating about the evils of homosexuality with such great furor, especially when it's mentioned in the Bible just a few times. You would think that half the book condemns it the way they talk.
@bearchewtoy75 I guess but i feel like if say in a hundred years a new religion that said being straight was a sin had become the most dominant religion, they'd still say where going to hell
I love all these religious crackheads who think letting two complete strangers of the same sex that they've never met or even seen face to face get married will affect their lives in some horrible awful way. lol, way to go, guys.
If one is only going to be affected financially by the unity of any two people, then let them have the same rights of state. But do not confuse man's institution with God's institution. Keep the word "marriage" out of the picture and let them have their same-sex unity under the state!
Too many have forgotten what this country is founded upon. Isn't freedom of religion part of the constitution? If Christianity came to this country with its own claim to allow God to bless the coming together of two individuals, then they have the right to do so without anyone's opinion coming in and adulterating its ability to keep the sanctity of marriage. However, if other people's opinions are to over-rule the establishments of the church, then we lose that freedom.
You may ask, "How do you know He wasn't just delusional?"
Simple. I TRIED a religion. Islam. When I "converted," nothing happened. However, when I asked Jesus to come in, my whole inner demeanor changed back to innocence.
Another ? you should ask is, "If He actually thinks He's the Son of God, then He should be able to hear me if I ask Him to reveal Himself to me, right?" Well, yes. Unfortunately, you never thought to ask such a thing and are arguing a moot point for lack of experience.
Knowledge comes by experience. If you haven't experienced salvation for yourself, then you will never know what it's like. Just like a man can never know what the pains of childbirth must feel like. He can be told, but he would only have the most vicarious sense about what it must -ACTUALLY- feel like. The same goes for those who haven't experienced salvation.
Oh, btw, Jesus himself is not a Christian. If you don't actually know what he said, then how can you criticize him? or his Father?
The term "Gay-Marriage" is an oximoron. Man does not define marriage, God does. After all, man's unjust law can never compare to God's righteousness. Unfortunately, much to man's chagrin, when he sins, he ends up further away from God's intended purpose for him. Another unfortunate fact is that the farther away from his purpose he gets, the more stress he adds to his life. Though, of course, those who have not experienced salvation cannot truly claim that there is no God.
In the case of the doctor, no doctor should refuse service because they or their views don't like someone. At all. Same reason Muslims shouldn't work at the deli.
The truth is these fundagelicals are scared shitless of homosexuality becoming normalized because if the biblical passages used to comdem it are proven false, then the question becomes, what else is false about the bible or christianity? Apparently they forgot about the earth being 6,000 yrs old, or pork being forbiden, or polygamy, or the idea that we should stone our kids to death for misbehaving, or Gods instruction to us to "kill nonbelievers or followers of other gods"
Thank you for posting this video. There is so much misleading, blatantly false, and harmful garbage out there that the worst element of our society listens to and believes. We need more of this, please.
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For the time being they exist BECAUSE
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." -- 2 Peter 3:9
But God says:
"They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech (Satan) too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do." -- Zephaniah 1:5-6
so your saying because these (awesome) countries support gay marriage they worship satan? thats where your wrong and thats why "God" did not destroy them.. (that is if god exists anyways)
for the first time i´m really proud of my country. if the lord destroys us, this was so worth it!
i can see clearly now how the holocaust came about. it´s the same as with the homosexuals, people are just spineless and don´t care if other people are discriminated, just as long as it isn´t themselves. that´s why it is so important to defend the rights of any minority whether you belong to them or not.
Well if by freedom they mean freedom to discriminate then yes those freedoms will be taken away just like 140 years ago out freedom to own slaves was taken away from us. This is why it's so hard for me to turn a profit on my cotton plantation... bastards.
In order for two people to get married they must comply with their state laws and apply for a marriage license required by their state.
Therefore marriage is a legally bound agreement recognized by the state. The church only performs a marriage ceremony only if a couple chooses their marriage to be sanctified by a church. By not allowing same sex couples to wed by a justice of the peace in every state is a legal violation of his or her civil rights.
I actually wouldn't be surprised if NOM really did decide to make a video about gay zombies. They make some pretty stupid claims. Why don't you save them the trouble and make one for them!!!
Marriage is a state institution. Marriage can exist without religion. Marriage can NOT exist without the state. The church acknowledges this at EVERY wedding when the minister says "by the power invested in me by the state of California (or any other state)" Equal protections must be applied to the signing of a legal contract between 2 people. A wedding can sometimes be a religious blessing of the contract....but it is NOT the marriage itself.
@neenerpuss Marriage DOES exist without the state. The state is not required for marriage, the state is only required for marriage if you want the benefits the state provides for state recognized marriages.
@awilson1199 Any church can approve of marriage if they want to or not. But gays are not seeking approval of a religious marriage. It is only civil marriage with the benefits that they seek. Even when it's legal, a church can choose not to accept it as valid. Since it's a government-only recognized agreement, then what is the problem?
@bearchewtoy75 , yes that is right, they aren't seeking the right to love and commit and marry the person they love, they can already do that, they are seeking the benefits society GIVES marriages, gays want that to be GIVEN to them, but society does not want to give that to them. It has nothing to do with the church, it has everything to do with government forcing those in society to recognize as legitimate that which they do not want to recognize.
@awilson1199 The rights of a minority should never be determined by the majority. When we discuss women's suffrage or interracial marriage, the overwhelming majority of the people would have voted against it. Now, we find it laughable that so many people thought that way.
Other than immigrants, there is no other group that have had public provisions specifically targeted at them to take away rights--like the Briggs initiative, Arkansas' adoption law.
@awilson1199 And, yes it does have to do with churches when they spread lies like how they will be forced to marry people of the same sex. There has never been one instance of a church being forced to marry anyone they didn't want to. My pastor growing up would refuse to marry "interfaith" couples (in his mind this was anyone who wasn't Lutherun). Those couples had no legal recourse.
@bearchewtoy75 nobody has a RIGHT to those benefits, they are a PRIVILEGE, that society chooses to grant and society does not want to grant those privileges. You do not have a right to force them to do so.
@awilson1199 A driver's license is a privilege. If the privilege is abused, then it can be taken away. The same isn't true with the rights and benefits that come with marriage.
@neenerpuss I really wouldn't waste your time. I went back and forth with this person over the course of 9 hours or so. (S)He says there is tons of evidence to back up his claims, but cannot show a shred of evidence, yet STILLS claims that (s)he's right.
@awilson1199 You said that churches would be forced to marry same sex couples against their will. You provided no evidence--only an uninformed opinion that you passed off as proof. You could not provide even ONE example of a church being forced to by the government to do something against it's will.
@bearchewtoy75 yes they WILL be, only a fool thinks there is proof of something in the FUTURE. That you are trying to force people to do something against their religion is more than enough evidence that you will eventually force churches to do so as well.
@awilson1199 Show me ONE example of a church being forced to do something by the government. It doesn't even have to do with same sex marriage. Show me one example. You can't because the constitution prevents it from happening. I'm done now. You keep taking the argument in circles because you have absolutely nothing to support you feeble arguments. You are now wasting my time. Goodbye.
@awilson1199 Marriage - between one man and one woman - is a right.
No other permutations apply including polygamy, consanguineous bestial or homosexual marriage.
Our govt has no interest in encouraging these deviant unions. If they did polygamy would be way ahead of homosexual marriage as the next best alternative
@garysher3 One would think with an argument so convincing, that organizations like NOM wouldn't need to resort to bold faced lies to get their point across.
@garysher3 The bold faced lies in NOM"s gathering storm ad is one example. They give three examples of same sex marriage infringing on the rights of others. In only one case did the incident happen in a state that allowed it, and then it didn't even have to do marriage, it had to do with the diversity of families.
They conveniently leave out vital details that completely change how people perceive these incidents.
Not mention someone like Scott Lively who claims ALL Nazis were all gay!
@garysher3 If you wants specifics, they're in this video.
Google "scott lively nazi"
"How do you feel about the homosexuals' lie that they are denied 'rights?"
I feels that it's not a lie. Gays have been denied housing, employment, medical care, and more. Sometimes they have been denied these things by public vote.
And if you're referring to marriage, a man and a woman who just met after a drunken night in Vegas can get hitched. My parter of 5 years can't. How's that for sanctity?
@bearchewtoy75 US citizens have practically no employment rights - homosexual or normal. You are hired 'at will' and can be fired at any time for any reason, or no reason at all. Gays have no less rights than anyone else.
@garysher3 You are either willfully ignorant or grossly uninformed. Yes, you can be fired at will for job performance/need/etc. However, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination based on religion, national origin, race, color, or sex. It does not prohibit it based on sexual orientation.
@bearchewtoy75 Employers have huge freedoms in deciding who to employ and in reality they discriminate on many different reasons-including how attractive you are, your age, height, weight, accent, etc etc. That's the reality.
Why should homosexuals get special privileges over normal people?
@garysher3 Second time you've referred to people who aren't homosexual as normal. I have no interest in debating someone who is patently disrespectful. BTW, a right doesn't have to be in the Constitution to make it a right. Do some research. I'm done now.
@bearchewtoy75 I agree many heterosexuals disrespect marriage but that is no reason to redefine marriage for homosexuals or any other group of sexual deviants
@awilson1199 I will present it just as soon as you as show me evidence that churches would be forced to marry gays. You made the claim. The burden of proof lies with you. Give me one example.
@awilson1199 So, in other words, you can't find any proof. There are 5 states where same sex marriage is legal. Not one church has been forced by the government to marry a same sex couple due to the separation of church and state. Even though bans on interracial marriage were found to be unconstitutional over 40 years ago, a church can chose to not marry them, and there is no legal recourse for the couple.
@awilson1199 Riiiight.... That would take Congress changing the most fundamental amendment to the Bill of Rights. Aint' gonna happen. You're grasping for straws.
@bearchewtoy75 the proof is that all of you want to force other Americans to accept what they don't want to accept, just as you would force churches to accept what they don't want to accept.
@bearchewtoy75 No, the problem is you aren't comprehending anything I am writing, the government can revoke a churches status and then force them to perform gay marriages. Democrats have shown over and over they will force us to do whatever they want.
The PROOF is that you are already FORCING others to do something against their will.
@awilson1199 That's not evidence, that's an assumption you're making. It is illegal for businesses to discriminate on the basis of gender. The Catholic Church does not allow female priests. The government CAN NOTstep in and force them to do so because they are a religious institution. Even if same sex marriage proponents wanted the government to "force" churches to perform same sex marriages, they can't. Period.
@bearchewtoy75 That you would force Americans to do something against their will is evidence that you would force others to do something against their will.
@awilson1199 What exactly are they being forced to do? If you didn't watch the news or pay attention to politics, and same sex marriage was legal you would have no idea that anything was any different. You cannot force the public to LIKE something. AND because of the first amendment, you cannot force religious institutions to perform marriages or anything else they don't want to do!
@bearchewtoy75 The government can revoke their church status and force them to do whatever the Democrats want them to do, Democrats have done this over and over and will continue to do so and will do it with gay marriages.
@awilson1199 I know you're not big on the proof thing, but show me an example of the US government forcing a church to do something against it's will.
@awilson1199 Let's be very clear the door swings BOTH ways.
1st amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
The government can make no law "respecting" an establishment of a religious idea. That is the creation of a state church. The government can also no stop the free exercise of religion. Once you make a religious law, then that law becomes the government enforcing a religious belief.
@awilson1199 Why should a church have tax exempt status when it is acting like a corporation? When it is entering a political sphere it is no longer a neutral its become a political advocate. Would we allow a head of a foreign state advocate for domestic policy? That is what the pope is trying. All laws must be secular. Why does the country club have to pay taxes and a church doesnt? They amount to the same thing, a social club for like minded people.
@awilson1199 "it has everything to do with government forcing those in society to recognize as legitimate that which they do not want to recognize."
What exactly is being "forced" on you? You're not being forced to like it. You're not being forced to get "gay married." You don't even have to go to the reception!
Lots of people don't want to recognize the speed limit, but that is "forced" on them! Same sex marriage is only an issue for you, if you make it.
The storm is calling people with differing opinions names, demonizing those who oppose because you are not the majority, activism from the bench when the majoritty is not respected. Democracy people. When the powerful people start ignoring the vote I don't care what the issue is we all lose. If the vote doesn't count in a democracy what will we be left with? It's bigger than gay or straight! It's having a vote. You want to take away the majority vote because you can't win as a minority.
That's where most people fail. In a plain democratic society, the majority would always have the upper level, that's why the founding fathers decided to make a Constitution. So it's a Constitution based democracy, that is supposed to protect minorities over the tyranny of the majority. One law for all or no law at all. There must be no second class citizens in USA.
By denying a suspect class the same rights as the rest of the population, then the protection of minorities fail, thus the Constitution based democracy fails too.
Benitez v. The North Coast Women's Care Med Group of San Diego
Ocean Camp Meeting Association v. State of New Jersey
David Parker parent @ Joseph Estabrook Elem School in Lexington, Mass.
It is my hope that by posting this info, people can look up the cases in the FREE MEDIA and find out the TRUTH about what really happened. fight NOMs campaign of lies. END religion based bigotry now. it has no place in America in 2009.
Benitez v. The North Coast Women's Care Med Group of San Diego
Ocean Camp Meeting Association v. State of New Jersey
David Parker parent @ Joseph Estabrook Elem School in Lexington, Mass.
It is my hope that by posting this info, people can look up the cases in the FREE MEDIA and find out the TRUTH about what really happened. fight NOMs campaign of lies. END religion based bigotry now. it has no place in America in 2009.
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People need to read in between the lines of what these people are tryin' to say in this advertisement. The voiced concern is that soon we are goin' to have to sit here and be forced to tolerate the utter blasphemy that will oppose against their beliefs (which stems straight from the Word of GOD itself.) Even worse so teachers who live by biblical principles will be forced to teach CHILDREN the existence of homosexual perversion at an early age sayin in essence that being gay is acceptable.....
The examples they cite in that video can occur with or without same sex marriage being legal or not. They talk about that NJ incident where SSM isn't even legal yet. In Mass. they talk about a book that mentions some kids live with two parents of the same gender. In CA, that was an incident that when against the states discrimination policy. Banning SSM will not ban gay parents from having children. If you're going to make an ad about this, at least tell the whole truth.
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Gay parents havin' children is another satanic mockery of what GOD holds dear the most...family. Gay couple don't need to be married and they don't need to have kids. If they want live in rebellion let them do so, but at least spare the kids (GOD forbid) if they are goin' to become homosexual when they're older then let know what's acceptable in GOD's eyes first, they should never be perverted from knowin' reality.
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WHEN IT IS NOT (read Leviticus 18:22). Here's the root of this same-sex nonsense. Each and everytime GOD's Word spoken against homosexuality every last one rebels against it by runnin' behind the Constitution which is the backbone of this nation but will never be the final authority over the Word of GOD. This is the sickening part however, they use the Constitution take it 3 steps further and to have perversion taught in schools and approve same sex marriage which is nothing but....
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a satanic mockery of what GOD has established and held sacred for thousands of years. The "Gatherin' Storm" that NOM is afraid of a time where government will sign bills and laws that will have this reprobacy dwell among us.
If you're gonna talk about Leviticus, don't forget to leave out the parts about eating certain kinds of fish and killing children. Do not just pick and choose the things you don't like.
If your religion forbids you from accepting certain things. Fine. But why should YOUR religion dictate ANYTHING about my life?
Don't forget the Bible also advocates slavery and suppression of women, but we got rid of that stuff a long time ago.
Wow you don't get it do you? No one is asking or requiring churches to marry gay people. Gay marriage is about equality before the law, which is the Constitution in this country. Legalizing gay marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with churches or religion. Churches are not required for marriage at all.
Also, Christian churches have the right to refuse to marry any couple for any reason whatsoever. In Catholic churches (what I grew up in) it's recommended that the couple go to the church for some time before getting married to show that they are dedicated members of the community, THEN ask. Even after doing that, the priest can refuse for any reason he chooses. Legal paper = married, ceremony or not.
I wanted to slap the women who said, "My freedom is being taken away" and tell her, "No, it's not. People like you have taken away freedom from people different than you. Them getting married has nothing to do with your right to get married. Interracial couples use to not be able to get married either."
You're all fucked in the head as far as I can tell - we win.
jeffmonc2 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2
Do you have facts to back up your claims about the "distortions" in this video?
Yes or no?
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2
Nevermind. I just read your posts on other videos. You're just a typical troll.
Go play elsewhere.
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
Oh you have GOT to be kidding me. I can't even start to list the distortions that the libtards use on this. Using the Fifth Amendment to strike down democratically passed ballot measures? Repeatedly lying about what churches have said on this issue. Lieberal are FAR FAR worse.
jeffmonc2 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2
"I can't even start to list the distortions that the libtards use on this."
Try.
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2
You mention the 5th amendment. Why? There's no mention of it in this video.
I'd like to hear why you think these are distortions.
Incident #1 - had nothing to with marriage of any kind and it took place well before anyone knew what Prop 8 was.
Incident #2 - did not involve a church's 501(c)3 exemption. They received an exemption on a building that stipulated that it must be open to the public.
Incident #3 is a matter of perspective and opinion for sure.
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 It is also note worthy to examine that the New Jersey religious group retained a grant from tax payers to restore this same public location that the brought on the case. You can not use federal tax payer dollars to discriminate against the tax payers. So in essence that same people denied access help pay to improve the property.
GpressNPS 8 months ago
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@bearchewtoy75 It is also note worthy to examine that the New Jersey religious group retained a grant from tax payers to restore this same public location that the brought on the case. You can not use federal tax payer dollars to discriminate against the tax payers. So in essence that same people denied access help pay to improve the property.
GpressNPS 8 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 You people don't even know your own BS. They use the equal protection clause which is derived from the fifth amendment. It was used in Iowa. It's complete BS as can be taken from your complete and utter ignorance of this issue.
jeffmonc2 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2
First off, "you people" is me. I am individual who made this video. I am not associated with any organization.
Once again, there is no mention of the 5th Amendment this video and it had nothing to do with the examples mentioned. This video has nothing to do with Iowa.
"They" who?
You say the video is BS. Fine. Please provide facts to refute it.
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
@bearchewtoy75 What am I doing? Do you need a definition of facts? Look up the fifth amendment. Look up how the Iowa supreme court is corrupt and messed up. And look up how they overturned a democratic attempt to shore up the definition of marriage using a legitimate ballot measure. We have democracy on our side, all the other side has is corrupt judges and prostitute-using governors.
jeffmonc2 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2
Once again...
Two weeks ago you said,"I can't even start to list the distortions that the libtards use on this."
I assume you're meaning this video.
Then you go on about Iowa and the 5th amendment, which is an entirely separate issue.
If you have facts to refute the claims in this video, please share them.
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
@jeffmonc2 SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU HOMOPHOBIC BIGOT!
OrionIISagan190 2 months ago
@jeffmonc2
Either way, it still doesn't change the fact that The National Organization For Marriage mislead the public with deceptive ads.
bearchewtoy75 8 months ago
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WildaXanthe 8 months ago
Thank you for making this video and telling the truth behind NOMs bullshit.
Poochalot 1 year ago 2
Wow, I am speechless. This is such a great rebuttal add!!! Thank you for looking up all the information and busting NOM's shameless campaign of hate and homophobia. Hopefully more adds like this one will spring up.
Skulander1 1 year ago
they're a bunch of inbred mormons, since you hide the fact that the mormons are the ones that gave money and started the nom, national organization for marriage, it should be ABNORM, since they're all related,, your daughter is also your sister and your brother is also your son
tellthetruthoryour 1 year ago
'I'm a New Jersey church group'. New Jersey never legalized same sex marriage yet somehow gay marriage will lead to that?
Logic Fail (or at least research fail).
FatherTime89 1 year ago 2
@FatherTime89 Not too mention the CA Dr. incident happened before it was legal and didn't have anything to do with marriage of any kind.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago 2
For the doctor: What if their faith demanded they not serve black people, would you be saying equal rights were a storm?
FatherTime89 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 they don't need those civil benefits to be married, and nobody has any right to those civil benefits.
awilson1199 1 year ago
at 0:42 she isn't even an actual doctor watch her audition tape she is lying like hell
kharon8 1 year ago
@kharon8 Well... they are all actors, so I don't know if I would say it's a lie since many political ads use actors... the real lie (or at least lack of truth) come into play when you know that
-The case mentioned has nothing to do with same sex marriage
- It was a case that dealt with discrimination and medical treatment
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
Why does everyone refer to Christianity. How do we know that Christianity is the right religion? Because it's the biggest?
ToxicSeth 1 year ago
@ToxicSeth Well, in my personal opinion, there is no right religion because all of them are wrong. Christianity is the dominant religion in this country, so that's where most of the objection to anything pro-gay comes from. It is funny how you rarely see a non-Christians debating about the evils of homosexuality with such great furor, especially when it's mentioned in the Bible just a few times. You would think that half the book condemns it the way they talk.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 I guess but i feel like if say in a hundred years a new religion that said being straight was a sin had become the most dominant religion, they'd still say where going to hell
ToxicSeth 1 year ago
I love all these religious crackheads who think letting two complete strangers of the same sex that they've never met or even seen face to face get married will affect their lives in some horrible awful way. lol, way to go, guys.
phunkieKAT 1 year ago
If one is only going to be affected financially by the unity of any two people, then let them have the same rights of state. But do not confuse man's institution with God's institution. Keep the word "marriage" out of the picture and let them have their same-sex unity under the state!
nihongakusee2004 1 year ago
Too many have forgotten what this country is founded upon. Isn't freedom of religion part of the constitution? If Christianity came to this country with its own claim to allow God to bless the coming together of two individuals, then they have the right to do so without anyone's opinion coming in and adulterating its ability to keep the sanctity of marriage. However, if other people's opinions are to over-rule the establishments of the church, then we lose that freedom.
nihongakusee2004 1 year ago
You may ask, "How do you know He wasn't just delusional?"
Simple. I TRIED a religion. Islam. When I "converted," nothing happened. However, when I asked Jesus to come in, my whole inner demeanor changed back to innocence.
Another ? you should ask is, "If He actually thinks He's the Son of God, then He should be able to hear me if I ask Him to reveal Himself to me, right?" Well, yes. Unfortunately, you never thought to ask such a thing and are arguing a moot point for lack of experience.
nihongakusee2004 1 year ago
Knowledge comes by experience. If you haven't experienced salvation for yourself, then you will never know what it's like. Just like a man can never know what the pains of childbirth must feel like. He can be told, but he would only have the most vicarious sense about what it must -ACTUALLY- feel like. The same goes for those who haven't experienced salvation.
Oh, btw, Jesus himself is not a Christian. If you don't actually know what he said, then how can you criticize him? or his Father?
nihongakusee2004 1 year ago
The term "Gay-Marriage" is an oximoron. Man does not define marriage, God does. After all, man's unjust law can never compare to God's righteousness. Unfortunately, much to man's chagrin, when he sins, he ends up further away from God's intended purpose for him. Another unfortunate fact is that the farther away from his purpose he gets, the more stress he adds to his life. Though, of course, those who have not experienced salvation cannot truly claim that there is no God.
more to come..
nihongakusee2004 1 year ago
Wow sir. You tore that whole hateful commercial to pieces! Kudos!
Maliki79 2 years ago
In the case of the doctor, no doctor should refuse service because they or their views don't like someone. At all. Same reason Muslims shouldn't work at the deli.
Dacadvid 2 years ago
It always amazes me how easily gullible conservatives and Christians are to believe these sorts of attacks.
They have such a great track record of being forward thinkers and so intellectual, I suppose... (Opposing Civil Rights, ERA, round world, etc)
hipstermi 2 years ago
The truth is these fundagelicals are scared shitless of homosexuality becoming normalized because if the biblical passages used to comdem it are proven false, then the question becomes, what else is false about the bible or christianity? Apparently they forgot about the earth being 6,000 yrs old, or pork being forbiden, or polygamy, or the idea that we should stone our kids to death for misbehaving, or Gods instruction to us to "kill nonbelievers or followers of other gods"
What a joke.
bndkllr2 2 years ago 5
Thank you for posting this video. There is so much misleading, blatantly false, and harmful garbage out there that the worst element of our society listens to and believes. We need more of this, please.
:)
tygerchicago 2 years ago
Thank YOU, tyler, for watching. I saw this commercial months ago and had to make something truthful. I just wish I had a better announcer voice!
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
the church or association case : they shouldn't have tried to scimp on taxes; even Jesus payed taxes
the doctor case: if your job obligations goes against your faith, quit your job!
the school case: instruct your kids in the bible, the world says one thing, the bible another, we are to be in the world but not of it!
"to Caesar what is Caesar's and to God what is God's" applies to more than money
basically, the world is gonna do some crazy things soon that's why our eyes should be fixed on JESUS
pixelspillover 2 years ago
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God has destroyed every nation that ever embrace homosexuality. America is treading on thin ice.
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
Prove it.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
oh did he how?
Belgium
Canada
Netherlands
Norway
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
funny.. i was thought that these countries exist...
shakthi124 2 years ago 2
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For the time being they exist BECAUSE
"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is long-suffering to us, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." -- 2 Peter 3:9
But God says:
"They claim to follow the LORD, but then they worship Molech (Satan) too. So now I will destroy them! And I will destroy those who used to worship me but now no longer do." -- Zephaniah 1:5-6
MaryWaterton 2 years ago
so your saying because these (awesome) countries support gay marriage they worship satan? thats where your wrong and thats why "God" did not destroy them.. (that is if god exists anyways)
shakthi124 2 years ago
@shakthi124
please add germany to your list.
for the first time i´m really proud of my country. if the lord destroys us, this was so worth it!
i can see clearly now how the holocaust came about. it´s the same as with the homosexuals, people are just spineless and don´t care if other people are discriminated, just as long as it isn´t themselves. that´s why it is so important to defend the rights of any minority whether you belong to them or not.
MlleRoxie85 2 years ago
god hasnt destroyed anything
god doesnt exist
idaman12345 2 years ago 3
haha naww ur shit iz stupid bruh thats y r name has knock off on it hahahahahahahahaahaha
babysweet94578 2 years ago
Well, thank you for that, whatever that was.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
great work, man! this makes me happy after watching that commercial =)
6sully8391 2 years ago
Well if by freedom they mean freedom to discriminate then yes those freedoms will be taken away just like 140 years ago out freedom to own slaves was taken away from us. This is why it's so hard for me to turn a profit on my cotton plantation... bastards.
madzyzome 2 years ago 4
I can't die I'm immortal.
Markiswet 2 years ago
Call the NOM 1.609.688.0450 and leave them a message on the theme of "survival" :
Gloria Gaynor / Reba McEntire / Destiny's Child / inane parts of the TV show Survivor / whatever floats your boat
1) Look up a video on Youtube (or other) that relates to the theme of survival in any way of your choosing
2) hold the phone nearby and dial.
3) Dance while you leave them a message
Or fax them pix at ... (888) 894-3604
We'll survive just fine :0
abjectif 2 years ago
Thanks for posting this. Gave me some more ideas for a paper I'm writing about NOM right now :D
OrionsChild 2 years ago
In order for two people to get married they must comply with their state laws and apply for a marriage license required by their state.
Therefore marriage is a legally bound agreement recognized by the state. The church only performs a marriage ceremony only if a couple chooses their marriage to be sanctified by a church. By not allowing same sex couples to wed by a justice of the peace in every state is a legal violation of his or her civil rights.
moonflowerwaltz 2 years ago 4
Thanks for this video, and thanks for giving the truth, and not resorting to scare tactics.
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
You mean like gay zombies will eat your children and make you gay marry?!
Hmmm...
That'll be my next video!
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
I actually wouldn't be surprised if NOM really did decide to make a video about gay zombies. They make some pretty stupid claims. Why don't you save them the trouble and make one for them!!!
ofelixdacat 2 years ago
I think NOM is the zombie horde and you are max brooks.
the1andonlyjman 2 years ago
Marriage is a state institution. Marriage can exist without religion. Marriage can NOT exist without the state. The church acknowledges this at EVERY wedding when the minister says "by the power invested in me by the state of California (or any other state)" Equal protections must be applied to the signing of a legal contract between 2 people. A wedding can sometimes be a religious blessing of the contract....but it is NOT the marriage itself.
MARRIAGE EQUALITY FOR ALL!
neenerpuss 2 years ago 6
@neenerpuss Marriage DOES exist without the state. The state is not required for marriage, the state is only required for marriage if you want the benefits the state provides for state recognized marriages.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Any church can approve of marriage if they want to or not. But gays are not seeking approval of a religious marriage. It is only civil marriage with the benefits that they seek. Even when it's legal, a church can choose not to accept it as valid. Since it's a government-only recognized agreement, then what is the problem?
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 , yes that is right, they aren't seeking the right to love and commit and marry the person they love, they can already do that, they are seeking the benefits society GIVES marriages, gays want that to be GIVEN to them, but society does not want to give that to them. It has nothing to do with the church, it has everything to do with government forcing those in society to recognize as legitimate that which they do not want to recognize.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 The rights of a minority should never be determined by the majority. When we discuss women's suffrage or interracial marriage, the overwhelming majority of the people would have voted against it. Now, we find it laughable that so many people thought that way.
Other than immigrants, there is no other group that have had public provisions specifically targeted at them to take away rights--like the Briggs initiative, Arkansas' adoption law.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 , we aren't talking about rights, gays already have the right to marry whomever they want. No right have been taken from gays.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Two words: Prop 8.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@awilson1199 And, yes it does have to do with churches when they spread lies like how they will be forced to marry people of the same sex. There has never been one instance of a church being forced to marry anyone they didn't want to. My pastor growing up would refuse to marry "interfaith" couples (in his mind this was anyone who wasn't Lutherun). Those couples had no legal recourse.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 As I said the issue has nothing to do with churches.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 And as I said, it does when they lie about how it's going to affect them.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 somebody lying about something has nothing to do with the issue. It is irrelevant.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 But they can't get the civil benefits that come with it. You're making a silly argument.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 nobody has a RIGHT to those benefits, they are a PRIVILEGE, that society chooses to grant and society does not want to grant those privileges. You do not have a right to force them to do so.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 A driver's license is a privilege. If the privilege is abused, then it can be taken away. The same isn't true with the rights and benefits that come with marriage.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 there are no rights that come with marriage, there are only benefits and nobody has a right to those benefits.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Loving V Virginia SCOTUS 1967 Marriage is one of the "basic civil rights of man," fundamental to our very existence and survival.
Marriage is a right...and with the right come benefits!
neenerpuss 1 year ago
@neenerpuss I really wouldn't waste your time. I went back and forth with this person over the course of 9 hours or so. (S)He says there is tons of evidence to back up his claims, but cannot show a shred of evidence, yet STILLS claims that (s)he's right.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Liar, I never said there was tons of evidence to back up any claim.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 You said there was proof, yet you provide nothing.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 I said there was proof of what?
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 You said that churches would be forced to marry same sex couples against their will. You provided no evidence--only an uninformed opinion that you passed off as proof. You could not provide even ONE example of a church being forced to by the government to do something against it's will.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 yes they WILL be, only a fool thinks there is proof of something in the FUTURE. That you are trying to force people to do something against their religion is more than enough evidence that you will eventually force churches to do so as well.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Show me ONE example of a church being forced to do something by the government. It doesn't even have to do with same sex marriage. Show me one example. You can't because the constitution prevents it from happening. I'm done now. You keep taking the argument in circles because you have absolutely nothing to support you feeble arguments. You are now wasting my time. Goodbye.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@neenerpuss Oh, yeah.... and everything is the Democrats fault! :)
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 yes, just about everthing
awilson1199 1 year ago
@neenerpuss Marriage is a right, gays have the right to marry whomever they want. Benefits are not a right, nobody has the right to the benefits.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Marriage - between one man and one woman - is a right.
No other permutations apply including polygamy, consanguineous bestial or homosexual marriage.
Our govt has no interest in encouraging these deviant unions. If they did polygamy would be way ahead of homosexual marriage as the next best alternative
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 One would think with an argument so convincing, that organizations like NOM wouldn't need to resort to bold faced lies to get their point across.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 What 'bold-faced lies' are you referring to?
The homosexual militants tend to be replete with lies and distortions, including the lie that they are denied 'rights' available to normal people.
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 The bold faced lies in NOM"s gathering storm ad is one example. They give three examples of same sex marriage infringing on the rights of others. In only one case did the incident happen in a state that allowed it, and then it didn't even have to do marriage, it had to do with the diversity of families.
They conveniently leave out vital details that completely change how people perceive these incidents.
Not mention someone like Scott Lively who claims ALL Nazis were all gay!
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Can you be specific about the 'bold faced lies'?
How do you feel about the homosexuals' lie that they are denied 'rights?
Not sure about the Nazi reference
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 If you wants specifics, they're in this video.
Google "scott lively nazi"
"How do you feel about the homosexuals' lie that they are denied 'rights?"
I feels that it's not a lie. Gays have been denied housing, employment, medical care, and more. Sometimes they have been denied these things by public vote.
And if you're referring to marriage, a man and a woman who just met after a drunken night in Vegas can get hitched. My parter of 5 years can't. How's that for sanctity?
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Why won't you provide specifics of what you allege to be bold faced lies?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Dude... I just did. How specific do you need me to be in 500 characters?
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 just give me a couple of examples of rights denied to homosexuals.
Or are you afraid of being proven wrong? Dude
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 LOL! I know I won't be proven wrong. You can watch the vid for more.
If your'e still not convinced and need more learn about Anita Bryant and her "Save the Children" campaign.
Also...just the tip of the iceberg (and these are just off the top of my head)
Learn about Cracker Barrell's former employment policies. You can be fired for being gay in 28 states.
Learn about how gay couples have been denied visitation rights when one of them is in a life-threatening situation.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 US citizens have practically no employment rights - homosexual or normal. You are hired 'at will' and can be fired at any time for any reason, or no reason at all. Gays have no less rights than anyone else.
Hospital visitation is not a right either.
Got anything else?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 You are either willfully ignorant or grossly uninformed. Yes, you can be fired at will for job performance/need/etc. However, the Civil Rights Act of 1964 prohibits employment discrimination based on religion, national origin, race, color, or sex. It does not prohibit it based on sexual orientation.
Hospital visitation is a right. Do your research.
I have to go to work now.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Which part of the Constitution makes hospital visitation a right?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Constitution makes equality before the law a right.
FatherTime89 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Employers have huge freedoms in deciding who to employ and in reality they discriminate on many different reasons-including how attractive you are, your age, height, weight, accent, etc etc. That's the reality.
Why should homosexuals get special privileges over normal people?
garysher3 1 year ago
@garysher3 Second time you've referred to people who aren't homosexual as normal. I have no interest in debating someone who is patently disrespectful. BTW, a right doesn't have to be in the Constitution to make it a right. Do some research. I'm done now.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@garysher3 So you'd be in favor of allowing businesses to refuse to sell to black people or Jews, or Christians?
Either stick to that logic or don't.
FatherTime89 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Re denied rights, again can you be specific about which housing/employment/medical care rights are being denied?
garysher3 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 I agree many heterosexuals disrespect marriage but that is no reason to redefine marriage for homosexuals or any other group of sexual deviants
garysher3 1 year ago
@awilson1199 What they say has nothing to do with the issue.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Then, why are they saying it?
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Even though it isn't a lie it is irrelevant to the issue.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 And, YES... it is a lie. If it isn't show me of an example of a church being FORCED to marry someone they didn't want to.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 no it is not a lie, if gay marriage is made legal churches will be forced to marry gay couples. But it is IRRELEVANT.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 And where is your evidence to support this?
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 where is your evidence to prove they won't be forced to marry gays?
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 I will present it just as soon as you as show me evidence that churches would be forced to marry gays. You made the claim. The burden of proof lies with you. Give me one example.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 you are the one who claims it is a lie, prove it. The burden of proof is on you.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 So, in other words, you can't find any proof. There are 5 states where same sex marriage is legal. Not one church has been forced by the government to marry a same sex couple due to the separation of church and state. Even though bans on interracial marriage were found to be unconstitutional over 40 years ago, a church can chose to not marry them, and there is no legal recourse for the couple.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 , they didn't say they HAD been forced to, they say they WILL be forced to. You claim that is a lie, PROVE it.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 The government cannot regulate churches.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 the government can revoke their status if they refuse.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Riiiight.... That would take Congress changing the most fundamental amendment to the Bill of Rights. Aint' gonna happen. You're grasping for straws.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
1st AMENDMENT US CONSTITUTION : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF."
PROOF that the governement cannot FORCE it on a church....YOU FAIL!
neenerpuss 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 the proof is that all of you want to force other Americans to accept what they don't want to accept, just as you would force churches to accept what they don't want to accept.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Are not reading what I'm writing? Churches CANNOT be forced to do ANYTHING by the government. You are not providing me with PROOF.
It's the same as me saying that gay marriage will force us to elected a goat for president! It's not based on anything factual.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 No, the problem is you aren't comprehending anything I am writing, the government can revoke a churches status and then force them to perform gay marriages. Democrats have shown over and over they will force us to do whatever they want.
The PROOF is that you are already FORCING others to do something against their will.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 I'm waiting...
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
No it is not a lie.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 You just said that churches would be FORCED to marry people of the same sex if it's legal.
Please show me evidence to support this claim.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 yes they WILL be forced to do so.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 How do you know this?
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 the fact that you want to FORCE Americans to accept gay marriage is evidence enough.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 You still haven't shown any evidence that churches would be forced perform same sex marriages.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 Yes I have, the fact that you want to force other Americans to accept what they don't want to accept is proof.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 That's not evidence, that's an assumption you're making. It is illegal for businesses to discriminate on the basis of gender. The Catholic Church does not allow female priests. The government CAN NOTstep in and force them to do so because they are a religious institution. Even if same sex marriage proponents wanted the government to "force" churches to perform same sex marriages, they can't. Period.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 That you would force Americans to do something against their will is evidence that you would force others to do something against their will.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 What exactly are they being forced to do? If you didn't watch the news or pay attention to politics, and same sex marriage was legal you would have no idea that anything was any different. You cannot force the public to LIKE something. AND because of the first amendment, you cannot force religious institutions to perform marriages or anything else they don't want to do!
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 they are being FORCED to recognize as legitimate that which they do not believe is legitimate.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 The church cannot be forced to do anything due to the first amendment.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 besides, Democrats have never obeyed the Constitution, they aren't going to stop now.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 The government can revoke their church status and force them to do whatever the Democrats want them to do, Democrats have done this over and over and will continue to do so and will do it with gay marriages.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 The first amendment protects government from the church and vice versa.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 it only prevents government from CREATING a church, it does not prevent government from striping a churches protected status from it.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Yes, it does, actually.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 actually, no it does not, try reading the amendment.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 I know you're not big on the proof thing, but show me an example of the US government forcing a church to do something against it's will.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 they can revoke the churches tax exempt status.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Show me an example.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
@bearchewtoy75 google it.
awilson1199 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Let's be very clear the door swings BOTH ways.
1st amendment "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof"
The government can make no law "respecting" an establishment of a religious idea. That is the creation of a state church. The government can also no stop the free exercise of religion. Once you make a religious law, then that law becomes the government enforcing a religious belief.
neenerpuss 1 year ago
@awilson1199 Why should a church have tax exempt status when it is acting like a corporation? When it is entering a political sphere it is no longer a neutral its become a political advocate. Would we allow a head of a foreign state advocate for domestic policy? That is what the pope is trying. All laws must be secular. Why does the country club have to pay taxes and a church doesnt? They amount to the same thing, a social club for like minded people.
neenerpuss 1 year ago
@awilson1199 "it has everything to do with government forcing those in society to recognize as legitimate that which they do not want to recognize."
What exactly is being "forced" on you? You're not being forced to like it. You're not being forced to get "gay married." You don't even have to go to the reception!
Lots of people don't want to recognize the speed limit, but that is "forced" on them! Same sex marriage is only an issue for you, if you make it.
bearchewtoy75 1 year ago
The storm is calling people with differing opinions names, demonizing those who oppose because you are not the majority, activism from the bench when the majoritty is not respected. Democracy people. When the powerful people start ignoring the vote I don't care what the issue is we all lose. If the vote doesn't count in a democracy what will we be left with? It's bigger than gay or straight! It's having a vote. You want to take away the majority vote because you can't win as a minority.
blablablatube 2 years ago
First off thank you so much for having an opposing view and being respectful!
But that's not what this video is about.
The ad is being played in states where same-sex marriage is being considered. Public votes on the issues have not yet taken place.
NOM is using unethical tactics to fool people into thinking that if SSM become legal it will take away right from everyone.
That simply isn't true.
All three instances cited in the ad can happen regardless of the legalization of marriage.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
"Democracy people."
That's where most people fail. In a plain democratic society, the majority would always have the upper level, that's why the founding fathers decided to make a Constitution. So it's a Constitution based democracy, that is supposed to protect minorities over the tyranny of the majority. One law for all or no law at all. There must be no second class citizens in USA.
montrealpsycho 2 years ago 5
By denying a suspect class the same rights as the rest of the population, then the protection of minorities fail, thus the Constitution based democracy fails too.
montrealpsycho 2 years ago 4
Just in case this gets marked as spam again...
Benitez v. The North Coast Women's Care Med Group of San Diego
Ocean Camp Meeting Association v. State of New Jersey
David Parker parent @ Joseph Estabrook Elem School in Lexington, Mass.
It is my hope that by posting this info, people can look up the cases in the FREE MEDIA and find out the TRUTH about what really happened. fight NOMs campaign of lies. END religion based bigotry now. it has no place in America in 2009.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
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Benitez v. The North Coast Women's Care Med Group of San Diego
Ocean Camp Meeting Association v. State of New Jersey
David Parker parent @ Joseph Estabrook Elem School in Lexington, Mass.
It is my hope that by posting this info, people can look up the cases in the FREE MEDIA and find out the TRUTH about what really happened. fight NOMs campaign of lies. END religion based bigotry now. it has no place in America in 2009.
quasibeth 2 years ago
Thanks quasi!
This great info!
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
Great video. People need to know the truth. That these people are homophobes.
MollisHeartsMusic 2 years ago
The truth isn't that these people are homophobic.
The truth is that many people on the opposition of this issue is willing to scare people by using half-truths and intimidation to get a point across.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
Well, I don't know. I read a lot of stuff on their website. Just them saying "I am afraid" comes off as homophobic to me.
But yes, scare tactics are their greatest weapon. It is so sad how much it works :(
MollisHeartsMusic 2 years ago
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People need to read in between the lines of what these people are tryin' to say in this advertisement. The voiced concern is that soon we are goin' to have to sit here and be forced to tolerate the utter blasphemy that will oppose against their beliefs (which stems straight from the Word of GOD itself.) Even worse so teachers who live by biblical principles will be forced to teach CHILDREN the existence of homosexual perversion at an early age sayin in essence that being gay is acceptable.....
LowerVessel 2 years ago
The examples they cite in that video can occur with or without same sex marriage being legal or not. They talk about that NJ incident where SSM isn't even legal yet. In Mass. they talk about a book that mentions some kids live with two parents of the same gender. In CA, that was an incident that when against the states discrimination policy. Banning SSM will not ban gay parents from having children. If you're going to make an ad about this, at least tell the whole truth.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
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Gay parents havin' children is another satanic mockery of what GOD holds dear the most...family. Gay couple don't need to be married and they don't need to have kids. If they want live in rebellion let them do so, but at least spare the kids (GOD forbid) if they are goin' to become homosexual when they're older then let know what's acceptable in GOD's eyes first, they should never be perverted from knowin' reality.
LowerVessel 2 years ago
You know you just sound like a religious freak, yes?
You know that mix-race couples were looked down on for so long because they "perverted" the blood pool. Is that an issue today?
Also, I think you're implying gay children raise gay kids. Which doesn't really happen. That's like saying straight parents only raise straight kids.
And finally, you keep citing your religion. We're dealing with a seperation of church and state issue. I don't think anything else needs to be said.
tggold 2 years ago 2
LowerVessel is a hilarious troll. He's taking transcriptions of different Fred Phelps recordings and splicing them together.
Swatsinger 2 years ago
I know this guy who is very gay. His mom tried to force him to be straight. But he still is gay.
the1andonlyjman 2 years ago
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WHEN IT IS NOT (read Leviticus 18:22). Here's the root of this same-sex nonsense. Each and everytime GOD's Word spoken against homosexuality every last one rebels against it by runnin' behind the Constitution which is the backbone of this nation but will never be the final authority over the Word of GOD. This is the sickening part however, they use the Constitution take it 3 steps further and to have perversion taught in schools and approve same sex marriage which is nothing but....
LowerVessel 2 years ago
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a satanic mockery of what GOD has established and held sacred for thousands of years. The "Gatherin' Storm" that NOM is afraid of a time where government will sign bills and laws that will have this reprobacy dwell among us.
LowerVessel 2 years ago
If you're gonna talk about Leviticus, don't forget to leave out the parts about eating certain kinds of fish and killing children. Do not just pick and choose the things you don't like.
If your religion forbids you from accepting certain things. Fine. But why should YOUR religion dictate ANYTHING about my life?
Don't forget the Bible also advocates slavery and suppression of women, but we got rid of that stuff a long time ago.
bearchewtoy75 2 years ago
Wow you don't get it do you? No one is asking or requiring churches to marry gay people. Gay marriage is about equality before the law, which is the Constitution in this country. Legalizing gay marriage has nothing whatsoever to do with churches or religion. Churches are not required for marriage at all.
politicat313 2 years ago 3
Fun Fact: Muslim Prophet Yeshua bin Yosef is said to be one of the people to have shaped the motives of these people.
Makron5 2 years ago
Also, Christian churches have the right to refuse to marry any couple for any reason whatsoever. In Catholic churches (what I grew up in) it's recommended that the couple go to the church for some time before getting married to show that they are dedicated members of the community, THEN ask. Even after doing that, the priest can refuse for any reason he chooses. Legal paper = married, ceremony or not.
nikkoruchan 2 years ago 3
I wanted to slap the women who said, "My freedom is being taken away" and tell her, "No, it's not. People like you have taken away freedom from people different than you. Them getting married has nothing to do with your right to get married. Interracial couples use to not be able to get married either."
nikkoruchan 2 years ago 6