VT-9 Birdstrike with Pilot Summary (T-45 Goshawk)

[YakAV8R]

FLY NAVY!

[Schemefighter]

Great video. The comments were pretty good until the ambulance chaser CFITOMAHAWK2 started spamming and making personal attacks and insane ignorant rants. Thats one of the problems with YouTube, you cant have intelligent civilized dialogue without it being hijacked, spammed, trolled and slandered by ignorant uncivilized lunatics.

[Nousides]

That and there are a plethora of people who have nothing better to do than troll.

It really, seriously makes me question how many of these trolls we could track back to classrooms across America where kids are supposedly studying actually using the classroom computers all day to spam.

[You8Dirt]

CFITOMAHAWK2 is a moron. He wants to unnecessarily risk lives and violate the law. He is too cowardice to obey the law and risk his own life for the greater good of the public. Capt Sully is a hero for saving lives by not turning back to LGA; instead choosing to ditch; thereby keeping the public on the grounds safe. I doubt CFITOMAHAWK2 is a pilot; if he is he should lose his license. No sane pilot would have recommended that Flight 1549 should have landed at LGA.

[Ghinnawa]

Incredibly good video. Superb self critique. No matter how well an emergency is handled there is always something that can be learned from it and a way to handle it better.

Looks like CFITOMAHAWK2 needs to learn how to handle criticism. A pilot that is not open to criticism, is an accident waiting to happen. A pilot that thinks he doesnt make any mistakes is in denial and is a danger to the public.

[CFITOMAHAWK2]

ATSFCrash dummy...You don't know engine fails on take off and you are trying to stop others from practicing what you cannot do. There are maybe thousands of these turnbacks done well each year..of course, no accident not published..the ones like you that crash because you are too cow to practice are the ones that crash out of airport, even with altitude to land back..You are the Sociopath..I saved lives, you cankill with your coward don't exercise hard maneuvering "advise" that is antisocial.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: You are a pathological liar; whether it be out of ignorance or deliberately and maliciously. I never said pilots shouldnt practice engine out takeoffs or did stick landings; I was saying that pilots shouldnt unnecessarily practice it over densely populated areas; when it can be done safely in remote regions or on computer simulations.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: My other point is that only a sociopath like you would unnecessarily risk lives of the public so you could make a photo perfect media spectacle and not have to get your feet wet. As in your insistence with Flight 1549 to land back.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Youre too ignorant to even understand or and youre too dishonest to acknowledge that to my usage of sociopath describing you was not in the context of being (antisocial), it was in the context of being: (one who lacks a sense of moral responsibility andor social conscience). As in you dont have any empathy for others; youre willing to frivolously risk peoples lives for your own greedy selfish need for glory.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Just like Bud Holland and Don Jonz youre eager to attack people who criticize your reckless behavior and insist that you follow the safety training and stop unnecessarily risking lives. Just like Bud Holland and Don Jonz youre eager To call anyone that doesnt break the rules or laws and unnecessarily risk the lives of the public; cowards.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: You are a pathological liar; whether it be out of ignorance or deliberately and maliciously. I have done dead stick and power out take off turn backs; I have taught them and practice them on computer simulators and in real aircraft. You falsely assume/assert that I havent.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: You are a retard to assume/assert that I dont exercise hard maneuvering. My favorite maneuvers that I like to practice is the flat spin and Lomcovak. I doubt you have centrifuge time; I do. ;) moron. I suspect a moron like you will have to look up the word Lomcovak.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Once again you lie. Youre proving yourself to be ignorant as well as a pathological liar. I never said I was scared; nor did I say I never did the maneuvers.

You remind me of the moronic kids that use the motto (no fear). Only a mentally ill fool would have no fear; it is healthy to have reasonable fear; however it is unhealthy to have unfounded or disproportional fears or no fear at all. Some fear keeps us safe. Having a moral conscious.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: You mistake having empathy (a respect for public safety) for personal fear; because you are a sociopath.

Only sociopath fool would unnecessarily risk the lives of the public; Like in your insistence that Flight 1549 should have turned back to the runway.

[You8Dirt]

CFITOMAHAWK2 has been spamming me. It is a leech; and is trying to work with shysters to launch baseless lawsuits to bilk Capt Sully and airlines; because CFITOMAHAWK2 is a failure at aviation and jealous and greedy. CFITOMAHAWK2 is a jackass of all trades but a master of none. The fag teaches danceing and only friends seem to be transvestites.

[CFITOMAHAWK2]

Contrary to you that only talk about how scary those exercises are I do them real, even at night....so shame on you...If you are so scare, go fly kites...for me you are not a pilot unless you do the four main kinds of Take off emergencies...But in many flight schools they ignore them...Don' t PROMOTE FEAR AND IGNORANCE...you do them first on FS, then I teach them for real on Tomahawks, Grummans, Pipers and even C-310...All airplanes can Question Mark and be landed back with good training, cow.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: You brainless pathological liar lower than a rat. I never said those exercises were scary. As I said only a sociopath idiot like yourself would unnecessarily risk their own lives or the lives of the public. To have fear for the public safety is to have empathy and a moral conscience; which you dont seem to have.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Unnecessarily doing risky aerobatics over a densely populated area is a safety violation and a violation of the law and morally reprehensible. If you were a sane pilot you would know that. Your assertion that Flight 1549 could have landed back is a reckless disregard for safety. You definitely are promoting ignorance. If you were really interested in flight safety and public safety; you would know that some reasonable fear is good; thats why they show safety shock videos like mine

[CFITOMAHAWK2]

I have in 6,000 hours of teaching and flying in the most difficult conditions (Bush Pilot AND CFI ELM) I survived 3 engine fails, 2 on take off...You are too coward to practice and promote ignorance and lazyness...Shame on you and others that can't and then try to stop others from practicing...That A320 could have landed back at La Guardia long runway easily but he stopped the turn to go to NJ, then didn't reach it and ditched....Just do on FS....STILL DON'T WANT TO BET??

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: If you had 6K hours I would think you would be smart enough to know the difference between the real world and a FS. In a FS; youre not risking lives or property. I would think you would know that a FS is just a facsimile; not the real thing. Its one thing to play a game on a FS when youre expecting a loss of thrust: and its another to do it in real life unexpectedly; to clear all the obstructions, to get air and tarmac traffic out of the way, and to do the emergency checklists.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: You sound like a kid that flies flight Sims; and is trying to pose as an experienced real-world pilot. Either that or youre some old-timer that is losing touch with reality and becoming sociopath. It seems youre willing to unnecessarily risk the lives of passengers and of the public on the ground. I suggest you watch a safety video called The Failing Aviator. whether youre a kid or an old-timer you seem to have some Freudian compensation issues.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Like you; Bud Holland, Don Jonz and Veldhuyzen van Zanten would also flaunt their credentials to try to bully their agenda. My fathers coworker was requested to volunteer for NASA to become an astronaut; he died doing a dead stick landing doing a real-world simulation in a fighter that was designed to emulate a reentry vehicle. Ive done my share of dead stick landings simulation and real world. But unlike you I would not unnecessarily unreasonably risk the lives of the public.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Once again youre lying. I never said I was against practicing dead sticks on climb out. I simply question the wisdom of risking the lives and property unnecessarily to do such simulations when it can be done with software with no risk to lives or property.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: I do think its good to get some real world experience as not to let software simulation to go to peoples heads; because Ive noticed a software simulation cowboy effect; where people will get in the habit of taking dangerous unnecessary risks on software simulations. Thats part of the reason I think you might be a poser; youre eager to take dangerous unnecessary unreasonable risks.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: I think you need mental help. An oversized ego like yours can be deadly. I think youre an accident just waiting to happen. You sound like a inexperienced delusional idiot to think a flight Sim could prove that the air-traffic, tarmac could be cleared in time for them to land and that obstructions would pose no risk. There is no replay/restart in the real world. Like I said on paper is one thing; in the real world there are more variables.

[Ghinnawa]

You need a mental health check and safety training CFITOMAHAWK2. I dont think you should be in the aviation community at all. I think Captain Scully did the right thing. Allegedly since the accident, simulating the conditions professional Airbus pilots tried to land at LGA using professional Airbus A320 simulators; allegedly none of them could make it back to the runway, even after several tries.

[CFITOMAHAWK2]

The one that is super foolish and ignorant is you,,,I have taught this Question Mark maneuver to dozens of 20-30 hours students even at night over houses and buildings...how many have you done? I consider myself an expert on them..Two of my students had to do them..one 150 hour PPL, did from 400 feet partial power..Another from 500 feet on a non climbing C-310 with one engine out ...Both landed tailwind & no incident You could have crashed and burned out of the airport...Want to bet on it????

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: With your ignorance it makes me question if you are a pilot. If you are a pilot; your ignorance and arrogance (sociopath) attitude reminds me much of Bud Holland, Don Jonz and Veldhuyzen van Zanten. They too considered themselves experts and above criticism and reproach. Bud Holland murdered himself and his crew and destroyed a multimillion dollar aircraft because he would not take heed of criticism and insisted on flying recklessly.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Arrogance and ignorance kills. Don Jonz scoffed at criticisms of him flying passengers without anti-ice and without cabin pressurization; it seems he murdered himself and his passengers (famous politicians) because of his disregard for safety. Veldhuyzen van Zanten ignorantly and arrogantly assumed he was cleared for takeoff; which resulted in the worlds largest commercial aviation accident.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: I have experience as a pilot, instructor and as a crash investigator. I have cleaned up and investigated after arrogant ignorant fools like yourself. Unlike you I am smart enough to know that just because someone like you claims credentials on the Internet doesnt mean its true. I find it frightening that someone as ignorant and arrogant and has such disregard for safety could be a pilot let alone a professional pilot.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Your assertion that Flight 1549 could have landed back to demonstrates your ignorance, arrogance and disregard for safety. An Airbus trying to land in a densely populated city, in heavy traffic with so many obstructions and bad terrain is not the same as landing a Cherokee with no traffic in a lightly populated area. Sure theoretically it is possible the flight might have landed back however it wasnt a reasonable risk.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: If you are a pilot you should be grounded. I would recommend safety training and a psychiatric evaluation and a full physical. Much like others that Ive mentioned (Bud Holland, Don Jonz and Veldhuyzen van Zanten) your ego and arrogance has gone to your head and is compromising your judgment. A person that does not honestly consider criticism about safety; is a reckless ignorant fool and is an accident waiting to happen.

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: There wasnt enough altitude and speed for Flight 1549 to safely land back. The prospect of having an inferno of an Airbus cart wheeling through a densely populated area or and having midairs or a runaway mishap just because a pilot thinks he might be able to make the runway. Thats not the type of risk that a pilot should make whimsically and recklessly.

[CFITOMAHAWK2]

In 1995 a Puerto Rican CFI made a video showing how to prep and partial power engine failures from 400 feet and no power failures from 600 feet with a Cherokee...Both times landed with a 16 knot QUARTERING TAILWIND to a 3,500 runway...He used 40 turns, alighned early , cut the mixture and cut the flaps on the flare to cut lift and stop earlier.with tailwind...I have the video and teach those engine fails on take off and initial climb...even at night...Hudson River A320 could have landed back too

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: While that would be excellent practice on a computer flight simulator, it would be risky to practice with a real airplane. Is debatable whether it is worth the risk; of course it depends on the factors the type of plane, pilot population density, etc It would sound quite reckless for Cherokee pilot to try to go for the field under similar circumstances; because there is no ejection seat; though a Cherokee is likely to be much more mellow than a Goshawk or an Airbus. apples&oranges

[ATFSCrash]

CFITOMAHAWK2: Your assertion that Flight 1549 could have landed back to demonstrates how foolish and ignorant you are. It would have been foolish to risk the lives of the people aboard the aircraft, other aircraft and the people and property on the ground to attempt to get back to the airfield. New York has a much higher population density and has much heavier air-traffic and tarmac traffic than under idealistic conditions.

[iflyuby]

wow good this is really good info. i have been flying a Cessna citation 500 i love training for emergency procedures that is what makes you a safer pilot

[homerboy488]

The BIG difference is the stress level and excitement in their voices. OG's never get that rattled. That's what experience does for you.

[datroof18]

These are spectacular videos. This one proves not only the lemons lemonade lesson, but that US pilots kick ash.

Where can we find more videos like this that offer detailed analysis after failure?

Thanks,

[Teller1900]

Great video and a good discussion, thanks for posting! And yes, I think that would be cannibalism.

[ThunderAppeal]

Why would the exhaust gas temp spike with a bird strike?

[mobides]

Fire. The bird probably took out the compressor and/or turbine blades. There is no compression and fuel dumping into the engine. Hence, fire. Fire is hot.

[Crashman2]

FANTASTIC video as usual my friend! You are dead right, NEVER try a deadstick 180-deg. turn back to the runway without some solid altitude AT LEAST 500 feet w/good airspeed, or you WILL stall the inside wing and spin in nose-down! ANY doubt about your alt. and energy/speed situation LAND STRAIGHT AHEAD!! And leave the gear DOWN - it's real tough & can absorb a great amount of crash-energy that would otherwise be transferred to the airframe and cockpit occupants. 5 stars!

[chololatesloppysauce]

If you are saying to leave the gear down landing on an unpaved surface you're wrong. If you have to ditch in a field, you want to leave the gear up, because the impact will be absorbed across the surface area of the wing, reducing the shock absorbed by the pilot. If you leave your gear down it's getting ripped off right away and possibly causing your aircraft to tumble, rip apart on impact, and won't bear the stress of the impact as well etc etc.

[televisionremote]

incredibly detailed and interesting. Like always...keep it up

[OnTheRun167]

Being in Meridian, Mississippi is bad enough, and the birdstrike made it that much worse lol

[FAA101]

wow

[TECHKLEC]

I'm not sure if the bird was injected by the engine. He apparantly still maintained power, but had an audible alarm.

[ATFSCrash]

TECHKLEC: The pilot said it entered the left intake. The video evidence suggests that the bird was ingested. The cautions/warnings/alarms, sensor readings and diminishing power output indicates that the bird was ingested by the engine. I suspect there was some physical evidence on the intake that indicated the bird was ingested. I wonder what kind of bird they hit. It would be ironic if a Goshawk ingested a Goshawk. Would that be cannibalism?

[TECHKLEC]

OUCH!!!  (Good video, though, Thanks!)

[BeeverMan]

Yeah, but I don't think they are a common sight in Lauderdale county. Probably a vulture.