@mrchorn2 : Yeah, well, except for the fact that LDS Mormons don't believe vicarious works for the dead have converted anyone posthumously, that's pretty funny!
@rippinsteo Unfortunately, I no longer have access to a copy of McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine" but I remain confident that a thorough review of that work would validate my previous assertion. The entire premise of Mormon's baptism for the dead, is that they are preforming an essential element of their dogma required to reach the platinum-cardholder version of their afterlife, for individuals that either rejected or died before Smith restored his version of the archaic Christian church.
@mrchorn2: Thanks for your reply. Although it unfortunately has been treated as such, McConkie’s “Mormon Doctrine” is NOT an official source of LDS Mormon doctrine that is binding upon church membership for belief and practice. The salient point of baptism for the dead is to give those who are dead the option to accept or reject the ordinance. The mere performance of the ordinance does not convert nor force anyone who is dead to be or become a Mormon. Merry Christmas.
I don't really know what Handel would have intended for the most part, but I'm pretty sure he'd have converted to Mormonism at some point if he could've. But that's just one man's opinion.
In general I don't like big choirs singing this piece. I just listened to a thoroughly horrible performance by Robert Shaw and the Atlanta Symphony (on You Tube). They were slow, ponderous and completely lacking in finesse. However, I've got to say, for a choir this size I was pleasantly surprised at the elegance and lightness of the piece. A perfect tempo and they sang it with power and energy without going over the top. Well done.
I don't really see why the size of the choir or orchestra affects the interpretation of the piece. When they are in tune, they sound as one anyway. Just fuller. I believe Handel would have been impressed!
We do know what Handel intended from are knowledge of the time, the instruments he used in his compositions, the vocal lines, his and his colleagues writings from that time, and from our basic knowledge of what an oratorio . This is not what he intended at all, and does not match what would have been heard. However, it is a great performance and can always be appreciated as a new interpretation no matter how historically inaccurate! :D From one musicologist to the rest
Intended or not, if you had the world's best choir you'd perform this in public as well. I'm not LDS but this choir is still the greatest musical group on the planet hands down
@dhyrumvaughn If you have told one lie, that makes you a liar. If you have stolen one thing, that makes you a thief. JESUS said; if you look at a person with lust, you commit adultery in your heart! Ever used GOD's name in vain; then you are a blasphemer and can't enter heaven! Revelation 21v8 says; "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire!" The bible says; No thief or adulterer will enter heaven! You broke GOD's laws; but JESUS paid your fine! Repent trust the Savior!
Lol! Well, I don't know what Handel might have intended seeing as he is long dead... but I do know that when my school choir (grades 7-12, mandatory) sang this, we had less than 30 people and we sounded awesome! We sing the The Hallejuah Chorus every Christmas too.
The incomparable Mormon Tabernacle Choir performs sections of the Messiah exactly as Handel intended. The Orchestra on Temple Square is no less effective in presenting this great masterpiece.
@AceCokeBuster Sorry, but it's just ridiculous to say that Handel intended 360 voices and 100 instruments. That's not the same as saying that this is bad; it's just NOT what Handel intended.
@azormage Agreed that we don't know what Handel intended. However, we do know that when he wrote it he kept the voicing and instrumentation simple compared to what he could have wrote. This was due to the fact that he would be premiering it in Dublin, Ireland were the resources for performers was much more scarce compared to London.
Such a beautiful piece performed by talented musicians!
LilyEvans8 2 months ago
Not to worry, as a result of Mormon's vicarious works for the dead, I am sure they have converted him posthumously!
mrchorn2 3 months ago
@mrchorn2 : Yeah, well, except for the fact that LDS Mormons don't believe vicarious works for the dead have converted anyone posthumously, that's pretty funny!
rippinsteo 3 months ago
@rippinsteo Unfortunately, I no longer have access to a copy of McConkie's "Mormon Doctrine" but I remain confident that a thorough review of that work would validate my previous assertion. The entire premise of Mormon's baptism for the dead, is that they are preforming an essential element of their dogma required to reach the platinum-cardholder version of their afterlife, for individuals that either rejected or died before Smith restored his version of the archaic Christian church.
mrchorn2 3 months ago
@mrchorn2: Thanks for your reply. Although it unfortunately has been treated as such, McConkie’s “Mormon Doctrine” is NOT an official source of LDS Mormon doctrine that is binding upon church membership for belief and practice. The salient point of baptism for the dead is to give those who are dead the option to accept or reject the ordinance. The mere performance of the ordinance does not convert nor force anyone who is dead to be or become a Mormon. Merry Christmas.
rippinsteo 3 months ago
I don't really know what Handel would have intended for the most part, but I'm pretty sure he'd have converted to Mormonism at some point if he could've. But that's just one man's opinion.
tubytootoo 3 months ago
Wonderful!
Lizerator 3 months ago
what key is this in?
TheTomBales 4 months ago
@TheTomBales A Major
supeultramegaunknown 4 months ago
Que coral maravilhoso !
paulo39667 5 months ago
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why are they so much better than everyone else?
jsneed66 5 months ago
why are they so much better than everyone else?
jsneed66 5 months ago
Is that pipe organ real? Is it operational?
Sen957 7 months ago
@Sen957 The pipe organ is real and operational-all seven thousand six hundred plus pipes.
rippinsteo 5 months ago
@Sen957 Yes, it is operational, I sang there im 2007 (not with that choir but in that venue). It's magnificent
supeultramegaunknown 4 months ago
The Mormon Tabernacle Choir is the best! I am not LDS either....:)
evalewis1 9 months ago
In general I don't like big choirs singing this piece. I just listened to a thoroughly horrible performance by Robert Shaw and the Atlanta Symphony (on You Tube). They were slow, ponderous and completely lacking in finesse. However, I've got to say, for a choir this size I was pleasantly surprised at the elegance and lightness of the piece. A perfect tempo and they sang it with power and energy without going over the top. Well done.
MrDavidPun 1 year ago 3
this is BEAUTIFUL. that's all that matters.
HAYLEYHOLLAAA 1 year ago 2
I don't really see why the size of the choir or orchestra affects the interpretation of the piece. When they are in tune, they sound as one anyway. Just fuller. I believe Handel would have been impressed!
BCati 1 year ago
Grew up listening to this choir!!! A true MONSTER in choral music!!!
yariboricua 1 year ago
STOP it with all the NEGATIVE! Good grief. Just enjoy it for what it is. Not what is ISN"T.....
DWGentry 1 year ago 13
We do know what Handel intended from are knowledge of the time, the instruments he used in his compositions, the vocal lines, his and his colleagues writings from that time, and from our basic knowledge of what an oratorio . This is not what he intended at all, and does not match what would have been heard. However, it is a great performance and can always be appreciated as a new interpretation no matter how historically inaccurate! :D From one musicologist to the rest
jg03417 1 year ago
Intended or not, if you had the world's best choir you'd perform this in public as well. I'm not LDS but this choir is still the greatest musical group on the planet hands down
dhyrumvaughn 1 year ago 24
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@dhyrumvaughn If you have told one lie, that makes you a liar. If you have stolen one thing, that makes you a thief. JESUS said; if you look at a person with lust, you commit adultery in your heart! Ever used GOD's name in vain; then you are a blasphemer and can't enter heaven! Revelation 21v8 says; "All liars will have their part in the lake of fire!" The bible says; No thief or adulterer will enter heaven! You broke GOD's laws; but JESUS paid your fine! Repent trust the Savior!
EXALTEDDIRT 3 months ago
Lol! Well, I don't know what Handel might have intended seeing as he is long dead... but I do know that when my school choir (grades 7-12, mandatory) sang this, we had less than 30 people and we sounded awesome! We sing the The Hallejuah Chorus every Christmas too.
TheNaveOfCharlemagne 1 year ago
The incomparable Mormon Tabernacle Choir performs sections of the Messiah exactly as Handel intended. The Orchestra on Temple Square is no less effective in presenting this great masterpiece.
AceCokeBuster 1 year ago
@AceCokeBuster Sorry, but it's just ridiculous to say that Handel intended 360 voices and 100 instruments. That's not the same as saying that this is bad; it's just NOT what Handel intended.
azormage 1 year ago
@azormage Agreed that we don't know what Handel intended. However, we do know that when he wrote it he kept the voicing and instrumentation simple compared to what he could have wrote. This was due to the fact that he would be premiering it in Dublin, Ireland were the resources for performers was much more scarce compared to London.
andersennj12 1 year ago
the heavenly MTC performing one of the best known pieces of the greatest oratorio ever Handel´s Messiah. SUBLIME AND CELESTIAL
beethomozart 1 year ago
and the mouth of the lord has spooooken it! luv that part at the end!!!
only515 1 year ago
And the glory of the Lord shall be revealed, and all flesh shall see it
together: for the mouth of the Lord hath spoken it. (Isaiah 40:5)
I do love Mormon Tabernacle Choir, so amazing.
paschalissetiawan 1 year ago
What an amazing choir! The power of all those voices is tremendous! Thank you Mormon Tabernacle Choir!
RebeckaSarkozy 1 year ago
Acts 7:55-56
omiolo2 2 years ago