Great video! love the first half of the explanation. When she starts to explain in sketch I do think it's not very clear phisiologically nor anatomically speaking. Philippe Karl does a much better explanation of that part, can anyone ask him to do a lil video available for free including that part? it would do the world a great favour.
I guess people aren't used to seeing a horse in training, or to seeing horses being worked, in a 'classical' way. If all horses started perfectly finished and supple there would be no debate here.
The horse in the video is generally in a correct posture, could he be less stiff? Sure. Could he be under himself more? Sure. That's the point of the training, to work with the horse to improve those things.
I applaud Sylvia for attempting to educate, despite the willful ignorance.
The horse looks rushed, tight through the back, hollow and against the rider. You can see he's not over the back because she looks like she's having trouble sitting. I am totally against rolkur but this is the opposite. Hollow, tight and jarring with no suspension . Now I've seen her ride I wouldn't let her on my horse. Very disappointing was hoping for much more. Give me Reiner Klimke (RIP) anyday. Mmm I wonder if this post will be removed?
If you want to connect properly with your horse you need to develop a good seat first. That's mainly about increasing your core strength until your pelvis can stay seamlessly with the horse's movement. Then when you are able to control your seat more you will start to be able to rebalance the horse with your body. NB never listen to anyone who tells you to put weight on the pubic bone - to follow the movement your seat must be tucked with the pubic bone lifted off the saddle.
I fully agree. The horses in this video are never actually properly engaged. That's why they are so inconsistant in the contact. The missing factor is the seat - it takes continuous adhesion between the seat and the horse's movement to engage or put him on the bit. Have a look at RealizeRiding holistic horsemanship video to see horses that are working in engagement. Sylvia Loch always says (and writes) all the right stuff, but doesn't show it in her riding.
Its very reassuring to see that people follow the same views as me. I often feel lost in a world of rollkur and hyperflexion!! I will never see the beauty in false outlines. I guess the horse world is following the human way... Everything is becoming fake, people seem to be following trends and forgetting to give natural beauty a go!
All I can say is that I feel very sorry for any horse owned or ridden by people like Gponyyy - perhaps if you would take on board the message in Sylvia's excellent video - just give it a try - you might be very pleasantly surprised at your horse's reaction. Otherwise, try tying your own chin down to your chest and see how long you can stand it.
Keep going, Sylvia, the right message will get through in the end!
It is a sad indication of the standard of equestrian knowledge today if anyone thinks Sylvia's video is anything but brilliant training. Are people so blinded by over-bending that they think a horse is hollow or stiff just because he has his head up? Come on you people who mock without knowledge - start reading the books of the great riding masters!. This is a brilliant video showing how to encourage the horse without force.
I am glad that Sylvia has not lost the will to live and given up sharing her knowledge, after listening to ignorant comments like those of GPonyyyy and pro rollkurists for so many years. When will people start to see sense and take advantage of the wisdom people like Sylvia Loch have to offer. This is a very informative clip, discussing truly correct work, for the good of the horse and I am grateful to Sylvia for sharing.
I thought it was a wonderful change to see a horse that could see where he was going, was light in the shoulders and whose head was just in front of the vertical whilst remaining generally very soft through the poll. And, has no one heard of a lighter seat whilst riding a very energetic, bouncy horse? For me his back looked up not tense, but today's folk probably don't know the difference.
Well done Sylvia for posting this wonderful explanation of 'on the bit' Especially with a horse that is not yet finished but like our own horses has still a way to go (blips) in training..
I see so many 'finished' horses in demos they are actually not that helpful - how do I get from where I am to elite rider !!
Its great to see the honesty between the horse and rider trying to get to the right place without force!
Very informative and easy to understand. Thanks for the insight with the diagrams!
rideinrain 1 year ago
Great video! love the first half of the explanation. When she starts to explain in sketch I do think it's not very clear phisiologically nor anatomically speaking. Philippe Karl does a much better explanation of that part, can anyone ask him to do a lil video available for free including that part? it would do the world a great favour.
DJBelbe 1 year ago
I guess people aren't used to seeing a horse in training, or to seeing horses being worked, in a 'classical' way. If all horses started perfectly finished and supple there would be no debate here.
The horse in the video is generally in a correct posture, could he be less stiff? Sure. Could he be under himself more? Sure. That's the point of the training, to work with the horse to improve those things.
I applaud Sylvia for attempting to educate, despite the willful ignorance.
MurMyrrh 1 year ago
The horse looks rushed, tight through the back, hollow and against the rider. You can see he's not over the back because she looks like she's having trouble sitting. I am totally against rolkur but this is the opposite. Hollow, tight and jarring with no suspension . Now I've seen her ride I wouldn't let her on my horse. Very disappointing was hoping for much more. Give me Reiner Klimke (RIP) anyday. Mmm I wonder if this post will be removed?
barleybee123 1 year ago
@barleybee123
I'd like to talk with you about this subject. I'm a new horse owner obsessed with finding the correct way to connect with my horse
FarhavenFarm 1 year ago
@FarhavenFarm
If you want to connect properly with your horse you need to develop a good seat first. That's mainly about increasing your core strength until your pelvis can stay seamlessly with the horse's movement. Then when you are able to control your seat more you will start to be able to rebalance the horse with your body. NB never listen to anyone who tells you to put weight on the pubic bone - to follow the movement your seat must be tucked with the pubic bone lifted off the saddle.
lephonz1 1 year ago
@barleybee123
I fully agree. The horses in this video are never actually properly engaged. That's why they are so inconsistant in the contact. The missing factor is the seat - it takes continuous adhesion between the seat and the horse's movement to engage or put him on the bit. Have a look at RealizeRiding holistic horsemanship video to see horses that are working in engagement. Sylvia Loch always says (and writes) all the right stuff, but doesn't show it in her riding.
lephonz1 1 year ago
Great video! That's all I can say. :)
vandoloskil 1 year ago
the horse's back and neck are tensed, it is true.
medolphindream 1 year ago
Its very reassuring to see that people follow the same views as me. I often feel lost in a world of rollkur and hyperflexion!! I will never see the beauty in false outlines. I guess the horse world is following the human way... Everything is becoming fake, people seem to be following trends and forgetting to give natural beauty a go!
AnnieandLilly 2 years ago
All I can say is that I feel very sorry for any horse owned or ridden by people like Gponyyy - perhaps if you would take on board the message in Sylvia's excellent video - just give it a try - you might be very pleasantly surprised at your horse's reaction. Otherwise, try tying your own chin down to your chest and see how long you can stand it.
Keep going, Sylvia, the right message will get through in the end!
pegasustrans1 2 years ago 6
It is a sad indication of the standard of equestrian knowledge today if anyone thinks Sylvia's video is anything but brilliant training. Are people so blinded by over-bending that they think a horse is hollow or stiff just because he has his head up? Come on you people who mock without knowledge - start reading the books of the great riding masters!. This is a brilliant video showing how to encourage the horse without force.
annemargaretsharp 2 years ago
I am glad that Sylvia has not lost the will to live and given up sharing her knowledge, after listening to ignorant comments like those of GPonyyyy and pro rollkurists for so many years. When will people start to see sense and take advantage of the wisdom people like Sylvia Loch have to offer. This is a very informative clip, discussing truly correct work, for the good of the horse and I am grateful to Sylvia for sharing.
superdressagelady 2 years ago 3
I thought it was a wonderful change to see a horse that could see where he was going, was light in the shoulders and whose head was just in front of the vertical whilst remaining generally very soft through the poll. And, has no one heard of a lighter seat whilst riding a very energetic, bouncy horse? For me his back looked up not tense, but today's folk probably don't know the difference.
gerogie100 2 years ago
Well done Sylvia for posting this wonderful explanation of 'on the bit' Especially with a horse that is not yet finished but like our own horses has still a way to go (blips) in training..
I see so many 'finished' horses in demos they are actually not that helpful - how do I get from where I am to elite rider !!
Its great to see the honesty between the horse and rider trying to get to the right place without force!
love it!
johannamacarthur 2 years ago
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hahaha what a load of rubbish, that poor horse with that lady bobbling around on its tense hollow back, looks like it needs a good stretch to me!
GPonyyyy 2 years ago