the theory will only discover itself due to looking for the right mechanics to observe itself. as with all these 'problems'. if the standard model doesnt fit then it doesnt on such a fundamental task of looking for mass only. the idea of wave formulation and equatory theory is wrong. or as i expect the smallest wave functions can not be read and therefore we will never be able to know anyways. cure poverty and move forward
well if there are 16 fundemental particles, then thats 4^2 or 2^4, which could be diffrent particles LOL there could be only 2 particles, well i know there are only 2 particles, + and - lol dont care what u say, Higgs dont exist blah /spam
this is so wierd, i was doing this calculation in my head and then i decided to research it and it came up with this video,,, i was thinking to myself,,, there's something not quite right with this model and now i know why. this goes deeper,,, this also applies to the quantum field and string theory but i know this - there must be alot of it around because here we are!
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Gravity is the effect, where masses come close. As much as closer the time slows downs. If light passes the mass sphere it passes a slower time zone. If we that clocks in the near of mass they slow down. Mass is an effekt of relativitic time spheres nothing else.
E/c2 represents mass in our own inertial system. I think most of people and also physikans dont realize the consequence about it. They always think in particles and thats the big fault.
@IvanderHaisley But do we know if quarks and other particles like it are elementary particles is what I meant. Could they not also be made up of even more minute particles?
There are no particles just energy interacting with other energy and diff speeds and temps and an atoms is a way to stores that energy and mass is the slow release of that energy and mass gravity strong weak magnetic and time are all the same thing
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Science has done a good job at simplifying things, but still it seems with each new particle they find it only leads to more questions and even less answers. It's like simplifying one thing, but also bringing up several new challenges...like it was just the basic atom(electron,neutron,proton)...then all of the sudden you have quarks, and anti-particles, dark matter and energy, bosons,and all the other sub atomic things. It's as if you can't ever simplify anything all the way.
@lattask8er So you think that the finite theories of science are more complicated than the old idea that there was some kind of infinite being or beings doing everything (infinite being means infinite complexity)? It is simple, we're just dumb.
A question if the higgs particle exists, would it have the lowest mass, in the universe, like the quarks have the lowest electrical charge? If so there will also be an electrical field all over the universe, and than fore a particle responsible for the electric charge?
@kryogenica4759 No, there are massless particles and all verified particles at this point would be lighter than the Higgs not heavier (that's why we haven't found it yet). Also there is an electric field and it's particle is the photon (responsible for all electric interactions).
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Think were talking about a gestalt . A field which is greater than the sum of its parts ( god) . The gestalt was always conscious but could not create. The big bang was the event when it learned how to contribute .
@rphcomposer In my opinion… what we call particles.. are better understood as activities in a Primary Field (not yet acknowledged by existing physics. The activity of the “God Particle” is to gather the field together.. like gathering a cob-web to make a lump of matter. Like-wise.. the activity in the brain gathers together all our various perceptions into a lump we call.. ME. What physics mistakenly claims.. does not have any existence.. the vacuum.. is energy in a neutral state. .
The big bang arose from a particle sized singularity.. that started reproducing itself.. drawing its energy from the Primary Field. It was a process of transformation from dormant energy to active (excited) energy. Unconscious means consciousness is dormant.. but still exists as a potential. this is a good analogy for the Primary Field. Waves are information that we read as being a particle. But aren't they really a programming language.. ?
@rphcomposer hey i just recently heard about seth learning centre and have a link to a online resource site, just havent had time lately with work and whatnot, how in depth is it? i have been looking into keylontic science to mingle information, would SLC be a good addition to this area of study? thanks
@RemainsRotting I had never heard of keylontic science . I had a quick look just now and wasn't too impressed. The Seth books are the original and best source of information. End of. I wouldnt bother with anything else to be honest .They are mind bogglingy in depth and obviously written by much higher intelligence. Its always good to hear the info expressed in other ways though ie this forum or others
@rphcomposer maybe the site i have is not the most informative, do you know of a loaded resource page on SLC? reading in the sites i have, relates allot to KS i am looking for math geometry etc. at first glance to me keylontic science seemed completely retarded, only this year have my studies lead me to it, have been working on vortex based math (VBM) to understand the KS stuff, i still feel slightly unsure so i keep searching for different sources of info to help find belief. thanks :)
The fundamental law of the universe is by definition, a contradiction to its own existence; therefore, in order to understand it if you will, we would need to enter into the realm of existence or dimension in which all matter is at its primary state of continuous energy, nothingness as most scientist refer to it.
@MrBigolteddybear46 I agree.. there is no such thing as nothingness.. there is only tangible and intangible.. or active and dormant energy. Everything is energy.. which in its primary state is intangible.. When we speak of NOTHINGNESS it means we can't detect anything.. just like.. there was a time when we couldn't detect the earth was round. Check out Something and Nothing on my recent favorites. There is still a Primary Field concept missing in existing physics.
Higgs-Particles are like paparazzis who gather only around stars like paris hilton and ignore nobodies like Brian Greene or Richard Susskind or Edward Witten, and in the Higgs World(Higgs Field) photons are nobodies so Higgs ignore them. The consequence is that photons are massless.
Light can't escape from black whole, because light like all others open-String-particles is tied to the space-time fabric and this fabric is torn apart by the black hole singularity.
light has both particle and wave like properties. Light is also an electromagnetic wave. Gravity does not affect light but warps the space. In a black hole the gravity is so dense not even light can escape meaning the space is so warped up there is a tunnel in it and all light/matter going to someother else..perhaps another universe
@Dearolor E=mc2... Light is mass in transit.. if I remember rightly.. the mass is kentic.. it is tied up in the photon's motion. Maybe it has imaginary mass.. potential but not actual.. Can't say for certain.. I only dabble in physics.
@AcceleratorPlus I think you know the answer, yet your like me, trying to use logic to fit it all together. Does a singular state, like the Higgs field in a BEC state (infinite or zero time), containing a dimension of energy(light and time) we live in and observe ring any bells?A hook up, to the Higgs state, as seen in quantum entanglement where particle pairs communicate beyond space and time parameters or limits in the observable universe, where all information is stored?
@Dearolor If I recall correctly, the photon does not have rest mass in the way we understand it. But it has a momentum. Special relativity clearly defines the relationship between energy and momentum, and since a photon has energy, it is also has momentum.
A prime illustration of the photon having momentum is the Compton scattering experiment. In this experiment, a photon is collided with an electron, and the electron is deflected, with total momentum conserved. It's cool stuff.
@Dearolor Good question. Who said that? I didn't catch it in the vid. Like how photons at light speed experience no time but great velocity. The photons that have interacted with nothing in between it's origin and detection experience no time at all. While ones which have interacted with gravitational fields have experienced microseconds (long time for photon) Some are so far they've had many interactions and thus more microseconds experienced faded en-route. Explains microwave background too.
Light is not affected by gravity at least not directly. Light always travel in straight lines. But gravity affects the shape on space itself, meaning that in a gravittional field, straitgh lines become curved, they are called geodesic in curved space geometry. So when light travel through a gravitational field is as not choice but to take these geodesics pathways, these "curved straight lines".
You're probably trying to reconcile Newton's law of gravitation with photons (F = G*m1*m2/r^2). However General Relativity has replaced this approach so that we should instead view gravity as changing the geometry of space-time rather than acting as a force in a euclidean geometry. Thus mass is not a requirement to be affected by gravitation. Anyway we can instead write Newton's law as A = G*m1/r^2 so this seems fairly reasonable that mass shouldn't be required.
@Dearolor they are affected by what we think of as a warped geometry of space. So it's like the shortest path on a globe is a curved line not a straight one. Light always takes the shortest path but that path is sometimes curved due to matters effect on it which we call gravity. this is the theory of relativity in action but we know it's only approximately true as general relativity is not integrable into the quantum theory of particle physics. hope that helps.
@raydredX From the perception of the photon the passage of time from x0 to x is instantaneous. X0 being its original positions and x its final position. Plus they have no measurable mass which would indicate that they are not affected by gravity.
@IntergrateThisFool But seriously. I'm very ignorant when it comes to General Relativity. But Newton will observe light acting in weird ways and following weird paths which he won't be able to explain with classical mechanics. What it looks to Newton is that the light's path is being bent.
@Dearolor thet're not. they just bend their trajectories because space/time is deformed by gravity. when driving ona highway curve you still say you're moving in one direction (it's the road that curves). same thing.
i dont think your theory is correct but i DO THINK the universe itself is a feild which gives partickles mass. light however is just a wavemovement in the feild if you ask me.
(i am working on a theory right now and later on i might present it on youtube).
It made sense to me when I thought about all this one day. That if the universe really started from the big bang, then the big bang itself had to expand outward and create our universe as scientists state it did. So my idea of this theory was that the whole entire universe itself was all connected basically as if a ball was wrapped gently around it all. Higgs Boson? It makes a lot of sense to me that everything that was at the beginning is still our wrapper so to say ^_^
I'm just an amateur, but what would that change to the equation if rather than gravity attracting "thing" they used a model where "void" pushed thing toward the others ?
SOMETHING IS MISSING , CONSIDERING THAT EVERYTHING IS ENERGY IN TRANSITION , M*SPEED= ENERGY , E=M*C2 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE , YOU ARE NOT FACTORING IN THAT TIME HAS SPEED, SO MUCH SPEED THAT LIGHT ITSELF CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT UNLESS THE SOURCE IS CLOSE . MASS JUST SITTING IN ONE PLACE IS HURTLING THROUGH TIME, THUS TIME IS CREATING ALL WE SEE . GIANFRANCO FRONZI./NOV/13/2010
The deeper scientists look into the sub atomic realm the more they actually create the structures that they think they find for nothing but the energy to maintain this illusionary reality is there. Same with the universe. Illusionary but not insignificant for your higher self has agreed to participate in the limited human consciousness veil to experience intensity of emotions and feelings from the human belief system of not being in control. You are all that is, yet nothing at once.
@MasterChince It is only convention that stops us seeing the original singularity that the universe emerged from as being the primary particle.. which.. because of its huge mass.. could not hold together for long.
The God particle is said to have such a huge mass the it can only have a fleeting existence.. until it disintegrates..
I have my own Primary Field Theory (its on my website or google it)
Universes emege from it.. borrowing energy from the primary field..
@AcceleratorPlus ... ah I seem to recall now that you mention it .. a few years ago I read "the god partical" and about the higgs boson... and if it exists in a nuetral state it would indeed be undetectable buy anything we can apply...cheers and respect from Canada
@AcceleratorPlus As a general rule, all objects of large mass seek to become objects of smaller mass. You state that the singularity of the universe had a large mass, thus diffusing itself in the universe we know today. However, with the currect understanding of physics, in order for this singularity to have had any mass, the higgs field would have needed to exist before or at the precise creation of the singularity of the universe. Your theory integrates modern concepts with pseudo-science.
@AcceleratorPlus matter thravels through this field,gains electrostatic energy and creates lower electron orbits, seen as mass. A gravity wave or warp would travel at c, it is a propagating energy in the field,gravity we know of, could be the combined interaction of matter at velocity or in motion and the electromagnetic attraction with each other.We cant see a Higgs particle, because it has no frequency.The fish cant detect the water it swims in, we had this problem with air hundreds of yrs ago
Higg’s idea is that the field is created at the same time as the big bang..
I am saying the primary field has always existed.. and our universe emerged from it.. along with an unlimited number of other universes.. all embedded and interconnect by the primary field.
It is a field of potential energy.. energy existing in a neutral state.. so we cannot detect it.. apart from when it is interacting with something.. like brain activity.. and then we call it.. consciousness.
@AcceleratorPlus YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE WHOLE PRINT IS A LOT LIKE MY ASSUMPTION , IT DOES OFFER SOME SANE RESPONSE . WHAT BIG BANG FROM NOTHING , GIANFRANCO FRONZI/NOV/21/2010
@AcceleratorPlus It could also mean that light doesn't travel through the field, but is the field, the field is the mechanism the frequency uses to propagate through it. Like a Boson field, where each boson interacts with the next in line, passing on its frequency to the next. As matter travels it gains mass, all mass should by being in the field, create an electromagnetic signature,due to its own frequency and this is seen and detected. like ripples in a pond.
@AcceleratorPlus Im thinking a Higgs field(undetectable) where each particle is created from the God particles that make up the field.These particles are surrounded with an EMF or even contain a sub atomic singularity to maintain mass. the detachment from the field gives us space and time. The energy we see i think travel through the field, because they are the field, the information passes from one field particle to another maintaining c. The field i think acts like a Bose Einstein condensate
@AcceleratorPlus I think mass is created by matters interaction with the field, and photons are the field passing EMF's through it, light is everywhere, it just needs switching on. They cant detect it, because the field has no frequency. Frequency seems to represent not just energy, but time itself, and a frequency is the fluctuation or frequenting moments in time. Light and time seem to be one, Energy we see is i think the dimension within the Higgs field..A photon is a point in the field
@AcceleratorPlus a photon should have mass, but only for the time it, the God particle is given energy at a point in the field, but the mass wouldnt be like we see or understand it, it would be more of a gravitational mass. I think as the less the energy, the larger the wave and the more the energy the smaller the wave, i think this because the God particle or field particle the information or EMF interacts with holds more of an influence on lower energy levels creating the larger wave?
@MasterChince Wait up! Aren't these the same clowns that said the Sun was a few million times bigger than earth, the Moon was 400 times smaller than the Sun? Don't take their words for the truth. They scraped the bowl just as much as hippies.
A feild which permeates everything, is ghostly, yet explains things unexplainable otherwise...yet is unobservable.. Why does this seem strangely like science always keeps finding ways to ressurect the Aether under different names?
The Luminiferous Aether attempted to describe a physical media in which light was a perturbation in a medium, prior to the concept of wave/particle behavior being described by the properties of quanta.
Aether was dependent upon light being not a particle.
Higgs is dependent only upon the interaction between particles.
@Cp1Punishment Actually the Aether was used by various Scientists as a way to describe ALL SORTS of phenomenon, not just Light/EM radiation. For one thing it was used as a way to explain inertia. Explaining Inertia, also just happens to be the Main reason the whole Higgs Particle was first conveived!!!
If all the empty space in the atoms in my body were removed, I'd be too small to see without a very powerful microscope, yet I would weigh the same...thats too weird. We haven't got the nature of existence at all!
@Shyhalu understand the principle, but we aren't used to perceiving solid things as empty space, the population of the world could fit in a matchbox but would weigh millions of tonnes, understanding the physics doesn't detract from the oddity of the reality we live in, how we perceive things is far removed from what reality really is, thats all I was saying. Thank u
Isn't the Higgs field technically gravity? Its gravity that gives matter (mass and) weight, in the absence of gravity matter has no weight, and as gravity appears not to appear in the absence of mass and matter, maybe objects would have no mass without it, rather than they would have no gravity without mass, maybe we've got it the wrong way round?
@TheEnjima maybe gravity is a dimension like time and space and it exists everywhere put only interacts in the presence of matter? Afterall, in deep space where there is no matter, technically there is not time either, without matter to interact with, time doesn't really exist, not in any tangible way.
Maybe space is full of gravity, but its only observable where theres matter, just like time. Would sort out dark matter. There is a dimension of gravity that exists throughout the universe, but it only interacts and is observable in the presence of matter?
I don't think Einstein's golden year papers were ever really disputed. It just took a while for people to read them. Every physicist I have ever met would jump for joy over a theory that fit ALL the data, or an experiment that didn't fit with quantum or general relativity. People win Nobel prizes for corrections to previous theories. We are also in a different age where information can travel amazingly fast and fewer people have control of it.
what if every particle has a spirit that makes it do what it does. what if spirit itself does not reside in this universe, but else where, in a different plane of this dimension.
what if, copies of each particle on quantum level exists in several different planes of this dimension, and affect on particle in one plane, affects particles in other planes, via physics of quantum mechanics. This would explain the randomness of particles that we observe.
If you have nothing better to offer than insults, then go watch what you enjoy & agree with. you are offering nothing constructive with your comments. The universe is a fractalized infinite hologram, where all things contain the pattern of whole. The visible universe forms a geometric structure as do atoms & subatomic particles. some pics of planets show clouds with hexagonal shapes at poles. earths core is platonic solid. electron cloud orbits are geometric. specify ur disagreement or go away
hahahaha, you sure drank the koolaid didn't you. Look, physicists are dying for the answers and if they guy had anything credible he'd be swooped up and become distinguished. Instead, this guy is talking to gullible people who don't know anything about science, he's not talking to actual scientists. The reason for this is because he is a charlatan. And this "peer review" is from the noetic institute. It is not a scientific institute or anything meaningful.
@law how long was the theory of a sun centered solar system rejected before it was considered common knowledge? How long was the earth considered flat??? shall I go on? Your claim that if his ideas were legit, that they'd be "swooped up" is absurd. Most changes in science have taken a long time and faced much ridicule. the theory of Einstein as well as hawking is no exception to this... So please address facts and specifics with logic and data, not insults and character assassinations.
So if you had a revolutionary new idea you'd go to the bullshit pseduoscience Noetic institute full of nonscientists and go around giving speeches to people? No. Physicists are dying for the answers and will accept what can be proven, this guy should be spending his time at real scientific organizations and talking to Steven Hawking not idiots on the street. And stop pretending like you've even looked at this guys actual "data"...
again you are factually wrong. historically new ideas are never easily accepted. Forget about this one person. forget the institute of noetic science. I am saying there is legit evidence and mathematically derived physics papers that show the universe has a consciousness and a set overall fractal geometric pattern, as opposed to a random probabilistic distribution of mass and energy. I have a degree in physics so im ready to discuss the math and physics in detail anytime you are ready....
No you just have a degree in insults and misdirection and avoiding the actual issues. so show everyone on here that you arent all talk and prove you personally know one thing about physics. What is the most efficient thermodynamic process in existence? what, in theory, might destroy a black hole? how would you feel moving at 90 percent the speed of light constantly & what would you see behind you, as u pass stars etc? give up? no cheating with google now, and likely you wont find it anyway..
And if he had the answer to the universe you'd think he would go to steven hawking or something instead of wasting time. The man is the DEFINITION of a charlatan. He creates an us versus them mentality, promises the answer to everything, and gives fuzzy, emotionally filled stories and explanations.
if by "all being" you mean all material is divine...I ask, what led you to use the word "divine" to describe that material? Why did you not choose the word "garage" or "cloud" to describe all material. If all that exists is all material, then it would be just...all material. A name can be found for that in the English language. But the word "divine" is specifically a word connoting the quality of above nature, even supernatural qualities. "Divine" is a misapplied word for the universe.
Our ego's tend to cling to words in order to label or stagnate things so that they become familiar. This can often be a mistake, words are not concepts but pointers to concepts. To clarify; everything is, and the emerging complexity it all exhibits rules out stagnation. It is hard to witness the emerging complexity in some things, many operate on a larger or smaller timeline or dimension than us. divinity, or worthy of reverence, should rightly be attributed to everything that is, or, all being.
I agree words are pointers to concepts--few understand that principle. But divinity is commonly applied to the non-material in our language convention. "Divine" expresses a unique category toward God. If you apply that word toward all-that-exists, again...you are using the incorrect word. Besides, one can not properly revere the material universe in the same sense that a western Deist reveres the western God. The Deist's actions assumes worship - the reverence of something that is not of itself.
You however, presume to apply the same action in the reverence of the material universe-- the same stuff as yourself (as you call it). Call that material stuff whatever you desire, but don't call it "Divine"...in English that adjective is reserved for the western God.
The million-dollar question!! God is infinite, and scientists agree the universe is finite. God "fills" all that is created (the material universe) and all that is outside of creation. That God can occupy all atoms, and yet not be the atom is the crux of the matter. St. John says "...all things were made by Him and for Him," and again, "...He is before all things." It's a logical conclusion that Creator cannot be Creation. Cause and Effect --which is core to the laws of thermodynamics.
"I find the idea quite intolerable that an electron exposed to radiation should choose of its own free will, not only its moment to jump off, but also its direction. In that case, I would rather be a cobbler, or even an employee in a gaming house, than a physicist".--Einstein (blinded by religious indoctrination.
On the other hand, quantum mechanics has been highly successful in producing correct experimental predictions, and the strong correlations predicted by the theory of quantum entanglement have now in fact been observed
Slight clarification...St. John, the closest person to Jesus, believed Jesus to be uniquely God. The only man who could ever be God was he who was God from all eternity. John concluded this after he witnessed Jesus come back to life, thereby validating everything Jesus said was absolutely true...Jesus was then, always was, and always will be God Himself. He is the Creator of the Universe, and created it out of love. He gave Himself to His creation to show how far He would go to demonstrate love.
*reality=that which you perceive to be...remember even memory is reconstructive...aka even john being of similar anatomy to most humans cannot remember things just as they occured. Instead we all remember things through the lense of our preconcieved notions...aka conditioning/indoctrination... please read the republic... published well before john. U shall discover he proposing instilling an ideology in a people to instill security in a society
no reason to apologize...but your pantheism/monism has had some degree of success in the fall of western religion. My purpose is to attempt to demonstrate the ideas coming from your side are weak, inconsistent, and based on fallacies. If Christianity is false (that Jesus never rose from the dead), then it is the most horrific fraud ever perpetrated upon mankind. If it is true (Jesus did rise from the dead),then it is the most beautiful reality given to man.The resurrection is either true or not.
I guess it all comes down to whether or not you believe in science (the consistent and repeatable procedures to validate our understanding of the world) or the recollection of people who had an archaic understanding of the world. If science is fallacious then I agree, my reasoning must be fallacious. However; if you come to conclude that the bible is not absolute, but rather metaphorical then my logic is sound. Rather it is the common interpretation of the bible which is falliciuos
An appeal to numbers. The only "famous" Christian pantheist I can recall is Thomas Merton; the rest are merely mystics who appreciate the beauty of metaphor as it applies to the Christian nature of God. John Dunne, George MacDonald, Anthanasius, Tertullian...all contributed much to Christian thinking. A Christian pantheist is a mutually-exclusive term in orthodoxy. One cannot worship God and at the same time believe they are the same substance as God.
However; when I see the propagation of a certain ideology is often misunderstood, taken for granted, and ultimately self destructive (in how it often propagates the objectification of beings other than human, male humans for that matter) I must point out the fallaciousness of taking philosophic parables literally. Ahua my takayasu.
I apologize, I love these debates. These conversations truly serve to validate my perspective to those around me who are enjoying this debate as well.
The Bible is both metaphorical and literal, each where is has to be. My previous point was to propose that the resurrection of Jesus was a literal event, that the followers believed it really happened that way. They used the same logic any scientist would use in their conclusions. They observed the data. They made conclusions based on the data. It may have been 2 thousand years ago, they may not have particle accelerators, but they were real people. No one likes being taken for a fool.
I don't disagree with the philosophy. I think it is some of the most profound and impactful philosophy which our species has ever adopted. However, like words, philosophy is merely pointers to concepts. Attachment to the venue has led to countless atrocities. Which is why I attempt to refrain from such. Thank you for engaging in dialogue.
I don't think so. I'm not really interested in philosophy and pseudo science. I wouldn't exactly call him respected by the scientific community. He was a very smart guy with some very odd ideas.
++personally I think that western civilizations lack of reverence for the divinity which we see in nature, the emerging complexity, is its greatest failure. Largely due to egoic interpretations of the bible. Most stoics, celtics, and norse revered nature as divine in one form or another, look up pantheism the term in my first comment.
Isn't it plainly obvious that all CERN is doing is making big black empty hole's in Europes econemy to fill up the big black hole's in their bank account's with yet another Holy Grail fake puppet show!
the theory will only discover itself due to looking for the right mechanics to observe itself. as with all these 'problems'. if the standard model doesnt fit then it doesnt on such a fundamental task of looking for mass only. the idea of wave formulation and equatory theory is wrong. or as i expect the smallest wave functions can not be read and therefore we will never be able to know anyways. cure poverty and move forward
joppadoni 1 week ago
Does anyone know the name of the older physics with the white hair?
RunningOnChronic 1 month ago
How did I end up here. And I don't mean scientifically...
Toroballs76 1 month ago
@ 5:28 higgs isnt simple or beautiful its simply wrong
Typho0n86 1 month ago
well if there are 16 fundemental particles, then thats 4^2 or 2^4, which could be diffrent particles LOL there could be only 2 particles, well i know there are only 2 particles, + and - lol dont care what u say, Higgs dont exist blah /spam
Typho0n86 1 month ago
this is so wierd, i was doing this calculation in my head and then i decided to research it and it came up with this video,,, i was thinking to myself,,, there's something not quite right with this model and now i know why. this goes deeper,,, this also applies to the quantum field and string theory but i know this - there must be alot of it around because here we are!
santirock69 1 month ago
fuck man. oh well made in Europe for physics! :)
salviileo 1 month ago
how many maths does it takes?
maljamin 1 month ago in playlist aaa
an event took place capsule impulsing kinda or something. i like the video
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lightandbeautiful 2 months ago
outside a concentrated mass sphere time flows, inside mass time stands still
MrEinKaffeebitte 3 months ago
Gravity is the effect, where masses come close. As much as closer the time slows downs. If light passes the mass sphere it passes a slower time zone. If we that clocks in the near of mass they slow down. Mass is an effekt of relativitic time spheres nothing else.
MrEinKaffeebitte 3 months ago
E/c² = Mass means that mass is represents a sphere where time stands still. If mass is realized time flowes.
MrEinKaffeebitte 3 months ago
E/c2 represents mass in our own inertial system. I think most of people and also physikans dont realize the consequence about it. They always think in particles and thats the big fault.
MrEinKaffeebitte 3 months ago
They rely to much on mathematik equations instead of thinking
MrEinKaffeebitte 3 months ago
Question. Can quarks and other elementary particles be broken down, like we do with atoms?
brewerbrian420 3 months ago
@brewerbrian420 elementary means ,, cant be broken down ..
IvanderHaisley 3 months ago
@IvanderHaisley But do we know if quarks and other particles like it are elementary particles is what I meant. Could they not also be made up of even more minute particles?
brewerbrian420 3 months ago
@brewerbrian420 that's where the string theory comes in ... but of coarse its just a theory
IvanderHaisley 3 months ago
There are no particles just energy interacting with other energy and diff speeds and temps and an atoms is a way to stores that energy and mass is the slow release of that energy and mass gravity strong weak magnetic and time are all the same thing
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itsonelouder1 5 months ago
@itsonelouder1 that's not phrased in the language of physics so you need to explain what you mean.
wkrepelin 5 months ago
Science has done a good job at simplifying things, but still it seems with each new particle they find it only leads to more questions and even less answers. It's like simplifying one thing, but also bringing up several new challenges...like it was just the basic atom(electron,neutron,proton)...then all of the sudden you have quarks, and anti-particles, dark matter and energy, bosons,and all the other sub atomic things. It's as if you can't ever simplify anything all the way.
lattask8er 6 months ago
@lattask8er So you think that the finite theories of science are more complicated than the old idea that there was some kind of infinite being or beings doing everything (infinite being means infinite complexity)? It is simple, we're just dumb.
wkrepelin 5 months ago
A question if the higgs particle exists, would it have the lowest mass, in the universe, like the quarks have the lowest electrical charge? If so there will also be an electrical field all over the universe, and than fore a particle responsible for the electric charge?
kryogenica4759 7 months ago
@kryogenica4759 No, there are massless particles and all verified particles at this point would be lighter than the Higgs not heavier (that's why we haven't found it yet). Also there is an electric field and it's particle is the photon (responsible for all electric interactions).
wkrepelin 5 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus What is the name of this documentary?
Mitche23 8 months ago
Check out the following video entitled: Fé Ciência Glauben Wissenschaft Faith Science Antônio Peters. With enlightening arguments and facts, speaks Pastor Antonio Peters in an interview about his book entitled “Alpha and Omega“ (English subtitels)
“The book Alpha and Omega is not based on science to explain the Bible, it is based on the Bible and uses science as a keyhole to say: "Look, the Bible already tells us this and goes even further! (Pastor Antônio, 2010)"
RabieFam 8 months ago
Think were talking about a gestalt . A field which is greater than the sum of its parts ( god) . The gestalt was always conscious but could not create. The big bang was the event when it learned how to contribute .
rphcomposer 8 months ago
HIGGS BOSON have been called consciousness units or C'Us .Its in a book called seth speaks
rphcomposer 8 months ago
@rphcomposer In my opinion… what we call particles.. are better understood as activities in a Primary Field (not yet acknowledged by existing physics. The activity of the “God Particle” is to gather the field together.. like gathering a cob-web to make a lump of matter. Like-wise.. the activity in the brain gathers together all our various perceptions into a lump we call.. ME. What physics mistakenly claims.. does not have any existence.. the vacuum.. is energy in a neutral state. .
AcceleratorPlus 8 months ago
to continue my comment.... part 2
The big bang arose from a particle sized singularity.. that started reproducing itself.. drawing its energy from the Primary Field. It was a process of transformation from dormant energy to active (excited) energy. Unconscious means consciousness is dormant.. but still exists as a potential. this is a good analogy for the Primary Field. Waves are information that we read as being a particle. But aren't they really a programming language.. ?
AcceleratorPlus 8 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus Your comments are awesome.
GrimTheCrow 7 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus very much agree with you, well stated!
derpotni3riots 2 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus '''The big bang arose from a particle sized singularity.. '' No, a singularity does not have size. And all math breaks down.
gregrutz 1 month ago
@rphcomposer hey i just recently heard about seth learning centre and have a link to a online resource site, just havent had time lately with work and whatnot, how in depth is it? i have been looking into keylontic science to mingle information, would SLC be a good addition to this area of study? thanks
RemainsRotting 1 month ago
@RemainsRotting I had never heard of keylontic science . I had a quick look just now and wasn't too impressed. The Seth books are the original and best source of information. End of. I wouldnt bother with anything else to be honest .They are mind bogglingy in depth and obviously written by much higher intelligence. Its always good to hear the info expressed in other ways though ie this forum or others
rphcomposer 1 month ago
@rphcomposer maybe the site i have is not the most informative, do you know of a loaded resource page on SLC? reading in the sites i have, relates allot to KS i am looking for math geometry etc. at first glance to me keylontic science seemed completely retarded, only this year have my studies lead me to it, have been working on vortex based math (VBM) to understand the KS stuff, i still feel slightly unsure so i keep searching for different sources of info to help find belief. thanks :)
RemainsRotting 1 month ago
The fundamental law of the universe is by definition, a contradiction to its own existence; therefore, in order to understand it if you will, we would need to enter into the realm of existence or dimension in which all matter is at its primary state of continuous energy, nothingness as most scientist refer to it.
MrBigolteddybear46 8 months ago
@MrBigolteddybear46 I agree.. there is no such thing as nothingness.. there is only tangible and intangible.. or active and dormant energy. Everything is energy.. which in its primary state is intangible.. When we speak of NOTHINGNESS it means we can't detect anything.. just like.. there was a time when we couldn't detect the earth was round. Check out Something and Nothing on my recent favorites. There is still a Primary Field concept missing in existing physics.
AcceleratorPlus 8 months ago
what documentary is it? name?
a1malik 9 months ago
The hix thing can be right because a photon is not without mass light cannot escape a black hole so it must have mass
MrTPlane 10 months ago
@MrTPlane
Higgs-Particles are like paparazzis who gather only around stars like paris hilton and ignore nobodies like Brian Greene or Richard Susskind or Edward Witten, and in the Higgs World(Higgs Field) photons are nobodies so Higgs ignore them. The consequence is that photons are massless.
Light can't escape from black whole, because light like all others open-String-particles is tied to the space-time fabric and this fabric is torn apart by the black hole singularity.
dicker70 10 months ago
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All is one and one is all.
Kulgera4 10 months ago
sooo. is god real?
mahdidi96 10 months ago
light has both particle and wave like properties. Light is also an electromagnetic wave. Gravity does not affect light but warps the space. In a black hole the gravity is so dense not even light can escape meaning the space is so warped up there is a tunnel in it and all light/matter going to someother else..perhaps another universe
daretodream25 11 months ago
If light photons have no mass how can they be affected by gravity?
Dearolor 11 months ago 5
@Dearolor E=mc2... Light is mass in transit.. if I remember rightly.. the mass is kentic.. it is tied up in the photon's motion. Maybe it has imaginary mass.. potential but not actual.. Can't say for certain.. I only dabble in physics.
AcceleratorPlus 11 months ago 5
@AcceleratorPlus What about this m8..... matter@velocity = m2 x v/c where matter gains mass by picking up or gaining mass from the field itself
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 10 months ago
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TheNorlo 9 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus I think you know the answer, yet your like me, trying to use logic to fit it all together. Does a singular state, like the Higgs field in a BEC state (infinite or zero time), containing a dimension of energy(light and time) we live in and observe ring any bells?A hook up, to the Higgs state, as seen in quantum entanglement where particle pairs communicate beyond space and time parameters or limits in the observable universe, where all information is stored?
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 8 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus Information stored in a way where the stopping of light without data loss in a BEC created within a sodium atom cloud? :)
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 8 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus How do you know for sure that photons are being affected by gravity?
qqdudeq 8 months ago
@qqdudeq gravitational bending of the path of light was verified during solar eclipses in the teens and twenties of last century.
wkrepelin 5 months ago
@Dearolor If I recall correctly, the photon does not have rest mass in the way we understand it. But it has a momentum. Special relativity clearly defines the relationship between energy and momentum, and since a photon has energy, it is also has momentum.
A prime illustration of the photon having momentum is the Compton scattering experiment. In this experiment, a photon is collided with an electron, and the electron is deflected, with total momentum conserved. It's cool stuff.
TheBoonPlatoon 11 months ago
@Dearolor Good question. Who said that? I didn't catch it in the vid. Like how photons at light speed experience no time but great velocity. The photons that have interacted with nothing in between it's origin and detection experience no time at all. While ones which have interacted with gravitational fields have experienced microseconds (long time for photon) Some are so far they've had many interactions and thus more microseconds experienced faded en-route. Explains microwave background too.
derman077 11 months ago
@Dearolor
Gravity is an acceleration that matter acquires by following the deformation of the space-time fabric.
An acceleration is the rate of change in velocity over time, velocity is not only the speed but also the direction.
Acceleration is independant of mass, it is the force of gravity wich depends on mass.
dicker70 10 months ago
@Dearolor Photons have momentum, you need to study quantum mechanics to understand fully...
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@Dearolor
Light is not affected by gravity at least not directly. Light always travel in straight lines. But gravity affects the shape on space itself, meaning that in a gravittional field, straitgh lines become curved, they are called geodesic in curved space geometry. So when light travel through a gravitational field is as not choice but to take these geodesics pathways, these "curved straight lines".
hope that was usefull.
TheNorlo 9 months ago
@Dearolor it doesnt have mass but it does have energy and as mentioned e=mc^2 shows that mass is inded equivilent to energy.
speeron 9 months ago
@Dearolor light travels straight though the fabric of space but the fabric of space gets distorted by gravity...u mean what i know?
DieselDownunder 8 months ago
@Dearolor Light goes in a straight line, the space-time is curved.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@Dearolor
You're probably trying to reconcile Newton's law of gravitation with photons (F = G*m1*m2/r^2). However General Relativity has replaced this approach so that we should instead view gravity as changing the geometry of space-time rather than acting as a force in a euclidean geometry. Thus mass is not a requirement to be affected by gravitation. Anyway we can instead write Newton's law as A = G*m1/r^2 so this seems fairly reasonable that mass shouldn't be required.
msg5555 7 months ago
@Dearolor they are affected by what we think of as a warped geometry of space. So it's like the shortest path on a globe is a curved line not a straight one. Light always takes the shortest path but that path is sometimes curved due to matters effect on it which we call gravity. this is the theory of relativity in action but we know it's only approximately true as general relativity is not integrable into the quantum theory of particle physics. hope that helps.
wkrepelin 5 months ago
@Dearolor Gravity curves space. Photons go through space. The space which photons go through is curved. Photons are affected by gravity.
raydredX 3 months ago in playlist quantum physics
@raydredX From the perception of the photon the passage of time from x0 to x is instantaneous. X0 being its original positions and x its final position. Plus they have no measurable mass which would indicate that they are not affected by gravity.
IntergrateThisFool 2 weeks ago
@IntergrateThisFool Black holes.
-"Photon goes in, photon no goes out. You can't explain that."
Bill
raydredX 2 weeks ago
@IntergrateThisFool But seriously. I'm very ignorant when it comes to General Relativity. But Newton will observe light acting in weird ways and following weird paths which he won't be able to explain with classical mechanics. What it looks to Newton is that the light's path is being bent.
raydredX 2 weeks ago
@Dearolor thet're not. they just bend their trajectories because space/time is deformed by gravity. when driving ona highway curve you still say you're moving in one direction (it's the road that curves). same thing.
zzajbird 1 month ago
i dont think your theory is correct but i DO THINK the universe itself is a feild which gives partickles mass. light however is just a wavemovement in the feild if you ask me.
(i am working on a theory right now and later on i might present it on youtube).
adolf512 11 months ago
@adolf512 Better not involve someone taking over the world.. *cough cough* hitler *cough*
cabrian1 11 months ago
@cabrian1 lol he failed taking over the world anyway :)
there is many people with the name "adolf" not only hitler by the way.
adolf512 11 months ago
from wich bbc documentry is this? wich horizon episode, i wanna find the whole one
SunriseFestival 1 year ago
@SunriseFestival Me too.... anyone know the name of the episode?
accid7 1 year ago
mass is a battery to store energy
kamalmichael 1 year ago
@kamalmichael thats a nice comment, good creative thinking
Zee96969696 1 year ago
bbc docs are so dorky
webcloud777 1 year ago
It made sense to me when I thought about all this one day. That if the universe really started from the big bang, then the big bang itself had to expand outward and create our universe as scientists state it did. So my idea of this theory was that the whole entire universe itself was all connected basically as if a ball was wrapped gently around it all. Higgs Boson? It makes a lot of sense to me that everything that was at the beginning is still our wrapper so to say ^_^
AyKay47 1 year ago
They got it all wrong.
feelzthelove 1 year ago
I'm just an amateur, but what would that change to the equation if rather than gravity attracting "thing" they used a model where "void" pushed thing toward the others ?
Acrimonator 1 year ago
@Acrimonator stupid me, should have watched the video till the end before commenting... That's the Higgs field, of course... : /
Acrimonator 1 year ago
SOMETHING IS MISSING , CONSIDERING THAT EVERYTHING IS ENERGY IN TRANSITION , M*SPEED= ENERGY , E=M*C2 DOESN'T MAKE SENSE , YOU ARE NOT FACTORING IN THAT TIME HAS SPEED, SO MUCH SPEED THAT LIGHT ITSELF CAN'T KEEP UP WITH IT UNLESS THE SOURCE IS CLOSE . MASS JUST SITTING IN ONE PLACE IS HURTLING THROUGH TIME, THUS TIME IS CREATING ALL WE SEE . GIANFRANCO FRONZI./NOV/13/2010
9493760 1 year ago
@9493760 Calm down
lost4468yt 1 year ago
+_+
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
If we are able to fool higgs field will we be able to move faster?
HKS2000 1 year ago
Turn on captions and watch 4:40 - 4:50. Prepare to LOL.
damitdan 1 year ago 2
When I say "physics novice," I am speaking of MYSELF as the receiver of the information. Ciao.
RN1204 1 year ago
Steven Tyler's brother. "Walk this way!" Seriously, this is interesting, even for a physics novice.
RN1204 1 year ago
where's part 2?
ramiro48 1 year ago
This guy isn't much of a communicator.
FeelOfFriction 1 year ago
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The deeper scientists look into the sub atomic realm the more they actually create the structures that they think they find for nothing but the energy to maintain this illusionary reality is there. Same with the universe. Illusionary but not insignificant for your higher self has agreed to participate in the limited human consciousness veil to experience intensity of emotions and feelings from the human belief system of not being in control. You are all that is, yet nothing at once.
YamahaCubed 1 year ago
wow what a concept! is the universe it's self the higgs boson
MasterChince 1 year ago
@MasterChince It is only convention that stops us seeing the original singularity that the universe emerged from as being the primary particle.. which.. because of its huge mass.. could not hold together for long.
The God particle is said to have such a huge mass the it can only have a fleeting existence.. until it disintegrates..
I have my own Primary Field Theory (its on my website or google it)
Universes emege from it.. borrowing energy from the primary field..
AcceleratorPlus 1 year ago
@AcceleratorPlus ... ah I seem to recall now that you mention it .. a few years ago I read "the god partical" and about the higgs boson... and if it exists in a nuetral state it would indeed be undetectable buy anything we can apply...cheers and respect from Canada
MasterChince 1 year ago
@AcceleratorPlus As a general rule, all objects of large mass seek to become objects of smaller mass. You state that the singularity of the universe had a large mass, thus diffusing itself in the universe we know today. However, with the currect understanding of physics, in order for this singularity to have had any mass, the higgs field would have needed to exist before or at the precise creation of the singularity of the universe. Your theory integrates modern concepts with pseudo-science.
MetallicStevie 11 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus matter thravels through this field,gains electrostatic energy and creates lower electron orbits, seen as mass. A gravity wave or warp would travel at c, it is a propagating energy in the field,gravity we know of, could be the combined interaction of matter at velocity or in motion and the electromagnetic attraction with each other.We cant see a Higgs particle, because it has no frequency.The fish cant detect the water it swims in, we had this problem with air hundreds of yrs ago
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 10 months ago
Higg’s idea is that the field is created at the same time as the big bang..
I am saying the primary field has always existed.. and our universe emerged from it.. along with an unlimited number of other universes.. all embedded and interconnect by the primary field.
It is a field of potential energy.. energy existing in a neutral state.. so we cannot detect it.. apart from when it is interacting with something.. like brain activity.. and then we call it.. consciousness.
AcceleratorPlus 1 year ago
@AcceleratorPlus couldn't the universe be like us only on a macro-cosmic level.
TheLovesoul1 1 year ago
@AcceleratorPlus YOUR DESCRIPTION OF THE WHOLE PRINT IS A LOT LIKE MY ASSUMPTION , IT DOES OFFER SOME SANE RESPONSE . WHAT BIG BANG FROM NOTHING , GIANFRANCO FRONZI/NOV/21/2010
9493760 1 year ago
@AcceleratorPlus Wow, your theory is my exact thought that was keeping me busy for weeks and eventually got me to your video.
It started with the question my father asked himself; What is consciousness and other questions involving the brain. Ahhh... the brain...
MisterTimeWarper 1 year ago
@AcceleratorPlus It could also mean that light doesn't travel through the field, but is the field, the field is the mechanism the frequency uses to propagate through it. Like a Boson field, where each boson interacts with the next in line, passing on its frequency to the next. As matter travels it gains mass, all mass should by being in the field, create an electromagnetic signature,due to its own frequency and this is seen and detected. like ripples in a pond.
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 10 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus Im thinking a Higgs field(undetectable) where each particle is created from the God particles that make up the field.These particles are surrounded with an EMF or even contain a sub atomic singularity to maintain mass. the detachment from the field gives us space and time. The energy we see i think travel through the field, because they are the field, the information passes from one field particle to another maintaining c. The field i think acts like a Bose Einstein condensate
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 8 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus I think mass is created by matters interaction with the field, and photons are the field passing EMF's through it, light is everywhere, it just needs switching on. They cant detect it, because the field has no frequency. Frequency seems to represent not just energy, but time itself, and a frequency is the fluctuation or frequenting moments in time. Light and time seem to be one, Energy we see is i think the dimension within the Higgs field..A photon is a point in the field
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 8 months ago
@AcceleratorPlus a photon should have mass, but only for the time it, the God particle is given energy at a point in the field, but the mass wouldnt be like we see or understand it, it would be more of a gravitational mass. I think as the less the energy, the larger the wave and the more the energy the smaller the wave, i think this because the God particle or field particle the information or EMF interacts with holds more of an influence on lower energy levels creating the larger wave?
SASNIGHTCRAWLER 8 months ago
@MasterChince Wait up! Aren't these the same clowns that said the Sun was a few million times bigger than earth, the Moon was 400 times smaller than the Sun? Don't take their words for the truth. They scraped the bowl just as much as hippies.
FilmPA86 1 year ago
A feild which permeates everything, is ghostly, yet explains things unexplainable otherwise...yet is unobservable.. Why does this seem strangely like science always keeps finding ways to ressurect the Aether under different names?
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
@frankensteinmoneymac
The Luminiferous Aether attempted to describe a physical media in which light was a perturbation in a medium, prior to the concept of wave/particle behavior being described by the properties of quanta.
Aether was dependent upon light being not a particle.
Higgs is dependent only upon the interaction between particles.
Cp1Punishment 1 year ago
@Cp1Punishment Actually the Aether was used by various Scientists as a way to describe ALL SORTS of phenomenon, not just Light/EM radiation. For one thing it was used as a way to explain inertia. Explaining Inertia, also just happens to be the Main reason the whole Higgs Particle was first conveived!!!
frankensteinmoneymac 1 year ago
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vivienmerchant 1 year ago
I didn't know Deidre Barlow was such an authority on Singularity.
vivienmerchant 1 year ago
If all the empty space in the atoms in my body were removed, I'd be too small to see without a very powerful microscope, yet I would weigh the same...thats too weird. We haven't got the nature of existence at all!
TheEnjima 1 year ago
@TheEnjima Take pizza dough and stretch it, then compact it into a ball. It will weigh the same regardless of its shape.
Shyhalu 1 year ago
@Shyhalu understand the principle, but we aren't used to perceiving solid things as empty space, the population of the world could fit in a matchbox but would weigh millions of tonnes, understanding the physics doesn't detract from the oddity of the reality we live in, how we perceive things is far removed from what reality really is, thats all I was saying. Thank u
TheEnjima 1 year ago
Isn't the Higgs field technically gravity? Its gravity that gives matter (mass and) weight, in the absence of gravity matter has no weight, and as gravity appears not to appear in the absence of mass and matter, maybe objects would have no mass without it, rather than they would have no gravity without mass, maybe we've got it the wrong way round?
TheEnjima 1 year ago
@TheEnjima maybe gravity is a dimension like time and space and it exists everywhere put only interacts in the presence of matter? Afterall, in deep space where there is no matter, technically there is not time either, without matter to interact with, time doesn't really exist, not in any tangible way.
TheEnjima 1 year ago
Maybe space is full of gravity, but its only observable where theres matter, just like time. Would sort out dark matter. There is a dimension of gravity that exists throughout the universe, but it only interacts and is observable in the presence of matter?
TheEnjima 1 year ago
The narrator is incredibly annoying. I wonder if he's actually even a physicist.
VanillaShoelace 1 year ago
@VanillaShoelace
Yes he is, particle physicist and a professor at University of Manchester.
000dom000 1 year ago
@000dom000 he was also a popstar in the 90's!
TheEnjima 1 year ago
Does anyone know the name of the documentary this clip has been taken from? I would like to watch the whole program.
LRHubbard2nd 1 year ago
@LRHubbard2nd it's bbc - six billion dollar experiment
mykhal 1 year ago
@mykhal Thanks buddy
LRHubbard2nd 1 year ago
I don't think Einstein's golden year papers were ever really disputed. It just took a while for people to read them. Every physicist I have ever met would jump for joy over a theory that fit ALL the data, or an experiment that didn't fit with quantum or general relativity. People win Nobel prizes for corrections to previous theories. We are also in a different age where information can travel amazingly fast and fewer people have control of it.
harvellt 1 year ago
what if every particle has a spirit that makes it do what it does. what if spirit itself does not reside in this universe, but else where, in a different plane of this dimension.
what if, copies of each particle on quantum level exists in several different planes of this dimension, and affect on particle in one plane, affects particles in other planes, via physics of quantum mechanics. This would explain the randomness of particles that we observe.
odinandme 2 years ago
hahahaha......
AI2flesh 2 years ago
there is another possibility.. that both science and religion are misunderstood, incomplete views of reality.. see Nassim Haramein, Gregg Braden
ancientwisdom2012 2 years ago
@ancientwisdom2012
Naw religion is just bollocks used to control people. It has no place in science.
believerornot 2 years ago
indeed,
wiseye61 1 year ago
check out Rudolf Steiner "A Philosophy of Freedom" as well as "Esoteric Science"
ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
@ancientwisdom2012 that guy is a fucking charlatan, stop being gullible.
321lawc 1 year ago
If you have nothing better to offer than insults, then go watch what you enjoy & agree with. you are offering nothing constructive with your comments. The universe is a fractalized infinite hologram, where all things contain the pattern of whole. The visible universe forms a geometric structure as do atoms & subatomic particles. some pics of planets show clouds with hexagonal shapes at poles. earths core is platonic solid. electron cloud orbits are geometric. specify ur disagreement or go away
ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
hahahaha, you sure drank the koolaid didn't you. Look, physicists are dying for the answers and if they guy had anything credible he'd be swooped up and become distinguished. Instead, this guy is talking to gullible people who don't know anything about science, he's not talking to actual scientists. The reason for this is because he is a charlatan. And this "peer review" is from the noetic institute. It is not a scientific institute or anything meaningful.
321lawc 1 year ago
@law how long was the theory of a sun centered solar system rejected before it was considered common knowledge? How long was the earth considered flat??? shall I go on? Your claim that if his ideas were legit, that they'd be "swooped up" is absurd. Most changes in science have taken a long time and faced much ridicule. the theory of Einstein as well as hawking is no exception to this... So please address facts and specifics with logic and data, not insults and character assassinations.
ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
So if you had a revolutionary new idea you'd go to the bullshit pseduoscience Noetic institute full of nonscientists and go around giving speeches to people? No. Physicists are dying for the answers and will accept what can be proven, this guy should be spending his time at real scientific organizations and talking to Steven Hawking not idiots on the street. And stop pretending like you've even looked at this guys actual "data"...
321lawc 1 year ago
again you are factually wrong. historically new ideas are never easily accepted. Forget about this one person. forget the institute of noetic science. I am saying there is legit evidence and mathematically derived physics papers that show the universe has a consciousness and a set overall fractal geometric pattern, as opposed to a random probabilistic distribution of mass and energy. I have a degree in physics so im ready to discuss the math and physics in detail anytime you are ready....
ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
And I have a degree in bullshit detecting, I'd love to discuss the logic and science of bullshit detecting but apparently you're not ready...
321lawc 1 year ago
No you just have a degree in insults and misdirection and avoiding the actual issues. so show everyone on here that you arent all talk and prove you personally know one thing about physics. What is the most efficient thermodynamic process in existence? what, in theory, might destroy a black hole? how would you feel moving at 90 percent the speed of light constantly & what would you see behind you, as u pass stars etc? give up? no cheating with google now, and likely you wont find it anyway..
ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
And if he had the answer to the universe you'd think he would go to steven hawking or something instead of wasting time. The man is the DEFINITION of a charlatan. He creates an us versus them mentality, promises the answer to everything, and gives fuzzy, emotionally filled stories and explanations.
321lawc 1 year ago
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ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
all being is divine. pantheism.
curthor 2 years ago
if by "all being" you mean all material is divine...I ask, what led you to use the word "divine" to describe that material? Why did you not choose the word "garage" or "cloud" to describe all material. If all that exists is all material, then it would be just...all material. A name can be found for that in the English language. But the word "divine" is specifically a word connoting the quality of above nature, even supernatural qualities. "Divine" is a misapplied word for the universe.
bharfarar 2 years ago
Our ego's tend to cling to words in order to label or stagnate things so that they become familiar. This can often be a mistake, words are not concepts but pointers to concepts. To clarify; everything is, and the emerging complexity it all exhibits rules out stagnation. It is hard to witness the emerging complexity in some things, many operate on a larger or smaller timeline or dimension than us. divinity, or worthy of reverence, should rightly be attributed to everything that is, or, all being.
curthor 2 years ago
I agree words are pointers to concepts--few understand that principle. But divinity is commonly applied to the non-material in our language convention. "Divine" expresses a unique category toward God. If you apply that word toward all-that-exists, again...you are using the incorrect word. Besides, one can not properly revere the material universe in the same sense that a western Deist reveres the western God. The Deist's actions assumes worship - the reverence of something that is not of itself.
bharfarar 2 years ago
You however, presume to apply the same action in the reverence of the material universe-- the same stuff as yourself (as you call it). Call that material stuff whatever you desire, but don't call it "Divine"...in English that adjective is reserved for the western God.
bharfarar 2 years ago
if "god" is omnipresent how can all "material" not be divine.
curthor 2 years ago
The million-dollar question!! God is infinite, and scientists agree the universe is finite. God "fills" all that is created (the material universe) and all that is outside of creation. That God can occupy all atoms, and yet not be the atom is the crux of the matter. St. John says "...all things were made by Him and for Him," and again, "...He is before all things." It's a logical conclusion that Creator cannot be Creation. Cause and Effect --which is core to the laws of thermodynamics.
bharfarar 2 years ago
so St. John believed god was a man. A major reason to reject his preachings entirely.
curthor 2 years ago
"I find the idea quite intolerable that an electron exposed to radiation should choose of its own free will, not only its moment to jump off, but also its direction. In that case, I would rather be a cobbler, or even an employee in a gaming house, than a physicist".--Einstein (blinded by religious indoctrination.
curthor 2 years ago
On the other hand, quantum mechanics has been highly successful in producing correct experimental predictions, and the strong correlations predicted by the theory of quantum entanglement have now in fact been observed
curthor 2 years ago
Slight clarification...St. John, the closest person to Jesus, believed Jesus to be uniquely God. The only man who could ever be God was he who was God from all eternity. John concluded this after he witnessed Jesus come back to life, thereby validating everything Jesus said was absolutely true...Jesus was then, always was, and always will be God Himself. He is the Creator of the Universe, and created it out of love. He gave Himself to His creation to show how far He would go to demonstrate love.
bharfarar 2 years ago
wow I apologize, I don't want to contradict the reality you cling to.
curthor 2 years ago
*reality=that which you perceive to be...remember even memory is reconstructive...aka even john being of similar anatomy to most humans cannot remember things just as they occured. Instead we all remember things through the lense of our preconcieved notions...aka conditioning/indoctrination... please read the republic... published well before john. U shall discover he proposing instilling an ideology in a people to instill security in a society
curthor 2 years ago
no reason to apologize...but your pantheism/monism has had some degree of success in the fall of western religion. My purpose is to attempt to demonstrate the ideas coming from your side are weak, inconsistent, and based on fallacies. If Christianity is false (that Jesus never rose from the dead), then it is the most horrific fraud ever perpetrated upon mankind. If it is true (Jesus did rise from the dead),then it is the most beautiful reality given to man.The resurrection is either true or not.
bharfarar 2 years ago
I guess it all comes down to whether or not you believe in science (the consistent and repeatable procedures to validate our understanding of the world) or the recollection of people who had an archaic understanding of the world. If science is fallacious then I agree, my reasoning must be fallacious. However; if you come to conclude that the bible is not absolute, but rather metaphorical then my logic is sound. Rather it is the common interpretation of the bible which is falliciuos
curthor 2 years ago
i have met few, none actually, academic Christians who do not hold the pantheism perspective.
curthor 2 years ago
An appeal to numbers. The only "famous" Christian pantheist I can recall is Thomas Merton; the rest are merely mystics who appreciate the beauty of metaphor as it applies to the Christian nature of God. John Dunne, George MacDonald, Anthanasius, Tertullian...all contributed much to Christian thinking. A Christian pantheist is a mutually-exclusive term in orthodoxy. One cannot worship God and at the same time believe they are the same substance as God.
bharfarar 2 years ago
However; when I see the propagation of a certain ideology is often misunderstood, taken for granted, and ultimately self destructive (in how it often propagates the objectification of beings other than human, male humans for that matter) I must point out the fallaciousness of taking philosophic parables literally. Ahua my takayasu.
curthor 2 years ago
CS lewis... his space trilogy
curthor 2 years ago
oh and just to throw a few more out there
Quakers, Unitarians
curthor 2 years ago
I apologize, I love these debates. These conversations truly serve to validate my perspective to those around me who are enjoying this debate as well.
curthor 2 years ago
The Bible is both metaphorical and literal, each where is has to be. My previous point was to propose that the resurrection of Jesus was a literal event, that the followers believed it really happened that way. They used the same logic any scientist would use in their conclusions. They observed the data. They made conclusions based on the data. It may have been 2 thousand years ago, they may not have particle accelerators, but they were real people. No one likes being taken for a fool.
bharfarar 2 years ago
I don't disagree with the philosophy. I think it is some of the most profound and impactful philosophy which our species has ever adopted. However, like words, philosophy is merely pointers to concepts. Attachment to the venue has led to countless atrocities. Which is why I attempt to refrain from such. Thank you for engaging in dialogue.
curthor 2 years ago
I recommend you all read Rudolf Steiner, especially his book "A Philosophy of Freedom."
ancientwisdom2012 1 year ago
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I don't think so. I'm not really interested in philosophy and pseudo science. I wouldn't exactly call him respected by the scientific community. He was a very smart guy with some very odd ideas.
believerornot 1 year ago
@bharfarar so the infinite being who is before time and space, is subject to the law of cause and effect?
lookatmepleasesir 1 year ago
the quote from the bible i often hear to rebuke these concepts goes something to the effect of "god created the universe" in genesis.
atoms create me, and are not seperate entities either
curthor 2 years ago
++personally I think that western civilizations lack of reverence for the divinity which we see in nature, the emerging complexity, is its greatest failure. Largely due to egoic interpretations of the bible. Most stoics, celtics, and norse revered nature as divine in one form or another, look up pantheism the term in my first comment.
curthor 2 years ago
if you want to make a point, KaOssis, learn grammar. your use of apostrophes is atrocious.
fretbuzz6 2 years ago
Isn't it plainly obvious that all CERN is doing is making big black empty hole's in Europes econemy to fill up the big black hole's in their bank account's with yet another Holy Grail fake puppet show!
KaOssis 2 years ago