Yes an embryo/fetus is alive and it's human, however it does NOT have any right to use it's carrier's body against her will. It has some rights when viable. The woman's rights, that the fetus is literally growing from, supersede any rights the fetus has. Simple and fair.
Abortion is legal because it's a privacy right, and an autonomy right. It's too bad you live in a country where woman have legal rights...... hahahahahah
Is this a MAN talking about when the baby becomes human? The human potential is what is at issue. Any intellegent individual will agree that the baby is dependent on it's mother. This is such a beautiful thing. Have you ever been a father? I hope that you are able to experience this for yourself. The menstral period happens when the egg is not fertilized by sperm..come on..do I need to explain biology to you.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Murder is a punishable crime. Tell us all how aabortion is murder and no one is punished for it? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response that CANT come.
Because feminists have managed to devalue human life enough where it has become socially acceptable to murder your own children, born or unborn. Just ask casey anthony. A lot of terrible things go unpunished.
Your train of logic has derailed. Here's the tracks and you're off in the woods somewhere on fire.
Keep your mouth shut when adults are talking, child.
@LthanReputable 1.can you show 1 other mammal that can willfully abort there unborn child 2. a miscarriage is not an abortion! you have no will over a miscarriage, but you do have will over an abortion. 3. egg and sperm are only cell till they combine and attach to the correct location
It's a life from the day that was conceived, & if a woman dosen't want to get pregnant them they should just close their legs! or use condom , or be on birth control...!!!
I believe that abortion shouldn't be an option at all unless it was a result of incest or rape. Women have control over their own bodies, like what was said in this video, so they can decide before sex if they want a baby or not. People need to go to the source of the problem and control unprotected sex. In fact, abstinence is the best solution. A fetus is genetically a separate human being from the mother,so it's not really just a woman's property.Prevent unprotected sex if a baby is not wanted
@Ocom3541 says: I believe that abortion shouldn't be an option at all unless it was a result of incest or rape.
~~~~~~~~ Are you speaking for ME? Why do you love an unknow entity that is OWNED by someone else, that could die naturally or be aborted and you'd NEVER know it, that you wont care about, wont feed, love, or guide> WHY?
@Ocom3541 says; Prevent unprotected sex if a baby is not wanted
~~~~~~~~~~~~ You want control of births, abortions AND sex? Why dont you buy a little plastic badge, and make yourslef the sex police, and you can go door to door making sure everyone is having sex in a manner that pleases YOU? You people are controlling nutcases!!
billions of people have sex everyday with NO pregnancies and here YOU are wanting it to stop....just in case?? Honey, thats not a fear of pregnancy, thats a fear of human sexuality. Get some help for your sexual hang-ups, and keep your nose out of other people sex life!!
@TheNeehar123 says: a fetus is not yet a human being but has potential to life therefore, in a way it is murder.
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"IN A WAY IT IS MURDER"?????? What the hell does that mean??? thats like saying someone is alittle bit pregnant? it either is or inst murder...and abortion ISNT. How old are you people?
yes it is murder do you wanna kill a kid WHO DIDINT DO ANY THING THE CHILD IS A VICTEM AND YOUURE THE MURDER IT IS A HUMEN BEING TO why do people do it you can put the kid in adoption just dont kill plz just dont kill that little human being plz dont
@AlecMartinezTv says: why do people do it you can put the kid in adoption
~~~~~~~~~ You mean stop all abortions(40 MILLIOn a yr) and possibly thrown all thosekids away for someone else to "deal" with? Are you frickin insane? Do you know how many babies that could be in your damned lifetime? Are you all under 10 yrs old???
@LthanReputable that was an interesting point of view, but i completely disagree with you. /watch?v=qv-Tn36Q6X4 check out that video, to see a good Pro-Life standpoint. And when you talk about the fetus being dependent on its mother, well yeah, but so are newborns. After it comes out of the womb, it's not independent from it's mother. if you were just to leave that baby alone, out somewhere, it would also die. A newborn can't feed his/herself. But seriously, watch the video
@youmustbeadumbasssmh said - And when you talk about the fetus being dependent on its mother, but so are newborns. After it comes out of the womb, it's not independent from it's mother.
After week 26-27 a fetus may be able to live in an incubator, with much help. Before that it is literally growing from the woman. Almost 90% of all abortions in the US are 12 weeks or before. If the woman has NO desire to give birth, then what would be the point of forcing her to ??
If you did your resaerch you would know that nine out of ten women that have an abortion for their first pregnancy become steral. another point is that abortion either chops the child up or burns the "fetus" like paper.
Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even if it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babie's RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
5. Cultural precedence is irrelevant. It's easy to see why the tradition is "birth day", since "conception day" might have been a little dificult to pin point throughout the ages. Regardless, whether a culture regards the unborn as humans or not is inadmissible as an appeal to tradition.
6. Suicide and murder require an act of volition, which a fertilized egg is incapable of. It is a biological happenstance, or just death by natural causes.
3. The absence of sentience or capacity to feel anything does not absolve you of being a murderer. If I heavily sedate you, and "humanely" kill you without your consent, I would still be a murderer no matter how painless it was for you.
4. A fetus is a genetically complete self actualizing human organism. It IS a human being (not potentially), albeit a nascent human being. Newborns also lack the distinguished qualities that H sapiens are known to possess, but they are still human beings.
@Sueezee2 LOL, what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood? The DNA doesn't change. Sounds like religious superstition. And I suppose that means you are fine with late term abortions too? Brilliant.
@Hatrimn say: what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood?
~~~~~~~~~~ Why are you people always asking prochoicers for information on the subject of abortion??? Why dont YOU know this stuff? Ok, Birth gives fetuses personhood,. Wasnt that simple?? OR was it too hard for you to comprehend?
@Hatrimn says: And I suppose that means you are fine with late term abortions too?
~~~~~~~~~~~ WHOSE late term abortion?? Are you asking me if I will be fine with t he decsion an Egyptian women made on the other side of the country concerning HER god damned fetus and life? I dont want to control others as YOU do. i dont care what she does. Why do YOU? get your own fetuse and leave other womens alone, you nutcase
@Sueezee2 "I dont want to control others as YOU do. i dont care what she does. Why do YOU?"
We have made it clear why we care. The same reason we care if parents kill their offspring post parturition too. Doing anything that would harm young humans is wrong...
Society must control you in order to provide a safe prosperous environment. You are being controlled, you are not truly free. Is this not obvious to you?
@Hatrimn says - Society must control you in order to provide a safe prosperous environment. You are being controlled, you are not truly free. Is this not obvious to you?
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It is true to some degree but, the individual can be freer than the laws of government or society, eg. all the people who use illicit drugs.
The point, YOU do NOT have the right to tell pregnant women they HAVE to give birth. YOUR morals are not universally held. That's why they have the INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM of choice.
@Hatrimn says: what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood? The DNA doesn't change. Sounds like religious superstition.
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LOLOl, Religion????? You think religion decided legal terms??? How oldare you??
@Hatrimn says: LOL, what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood? The DNA doesn't change
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DNA??? You htink DNA is what gives us personhood??? Do you knwo NOTHINg about this subject?/ Take alittle damned pride in yourself, if you have any..learn before you speak & look foolish
2. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act contradicts the legal stance that abortion is not the killing of another human being.
Additionally, we all know that abortion is not legally considered murder at the moment, so to mention (inconsistent) legislation is just petty and fallacious. It may be legal to kill your adulterous wife in some culture past or present, but it is still murder.
@Hatrimn says: The Unborn Victims of Violence Act contradicts the legal stance that abortion is not the killing of another human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOwhere in the U V V Act is the word human being used for the killed fetus, as that wold give the fetus rights. learn the semantics of the laws.
@Sueezee2 So you are admitting that the law will punish you to the fullest extent if you kill a woman's unborn thingamabob, to which the mother has a licence to kill. LOL, and someone should take the law's definition of human being seriously??
Again, legislation is irrelevant. There is a difference between what is legal and what is right or wrong.
@Sueezee2 "Blame dudmdbass G Bush, Jr, who decided to call it murder"
I don't care who decided to call it murder. Law makers can ignore science all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the unborn are human beings, they aren't any other animal, vegatable, or mineral.
Now I will quickly refute each point made in this video.
1. The definition you gave for fetus does not mention anything about a particular fetus not being the species it belongs to, only that it is developing and cannot survive indepedently.
Your assertion of when human life begins is debilitating to your argument. The age of viability will continue to decrease as medical science progresses, and eventually you are left to acknowledge a zygote as a human because it is outside of the womb.
At the earliest stages, a fetus is no more human than the cells on a hair follicle. Do we then say that having a shave or pulling hairs is murder? Of course not. The whole "abortion is murder" argument is absurd. And strangely enough, most of the time those who argue this would more than willingly kill adult human beings. So much for the sacrity of life.
Women with children have more abortions than anyone else, and by an increasingly wide margin. Guttmacher Institute said 61% in 2008, more recently the National Abortion Federation said 70%, in the US. These women that are already mothers do NOT feel the same about an embryo as they do about their born children, so much for them being equal.
Some women NEVER regret their abortion. I know a girl from high school who still says its the best thing she ever did. She was pregnant at 16, had no money and the dude that got her pregnant was 21 and in jail for drugs. She made the right choice for herself at that time. And she lives without any regret and would make the same decision if she could go back. She now has 2 kids with her husband.
If I plant a seed in the ground, did I plant a plant, or did I plant a seed? Will that seed never get dug up? Will it never go too long without water? Will the soil not have enough nutrients? Maybe. Maybe not. That seed is not a plant, nor guaranteed to become one. It is just potential. Nothing more. Like shooting AT someone doesn't mean they've been SHOT.
thank you, my exact argument for years. the "pro life" people will not accept the provable facts, who needs facts right, compared to mass hysteria of options and beliefs. a parasitic zygote or parasitic fetus depending on time since fertilization relying 100% on a host to survive... period.
Abortion is not murder, it's birth control. The beauty of choice is, any woman who doesn't like abortion, never has to have one. Nothing could be fairer.
Excellent. I wish the people who were against abortion actually got out an adopted these unwanted children -- the nearly 250,000 children abandoned annually to the Welfare System. Besides, God murders more children in the womb than abortion doctors do, but that's "okay."
@lbbp22 Actually lbbp22, there are approximately 1.3 million abortions each year and approximately 1.3 million families are on a waiting list to adopt a child.
Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even it it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babies RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
Your reasoning is ingenious but it is hopelessly flawed. There is no way you can "prove" that fetuses cannot feel pain. You are choosing on faith to believe that fetuses cannot feel pain.
@Lufiend Yes there is proof and to sit there typing like you knowwhat you're talking about is intellectual dihonesty. The nueral pathways do not function adequetly in order to feel pain until 24 weeks and there is no set gestational point that we can count on biologically. It may not feel pain as late as 35 weeks. It just depends on an individual basis. Stop with the condemnation. It is not a baby. It is not conscious, it doesn't think, it feels no pain.
2.52 - 3.03 What absolutely ridiculous arguments. I don't THINK it is murder I KNOW it is. I was a Mother from the time I conceived. It was all just a matter of time and growth. Foetus/baby ... it's just semantics really, a way of excusing the disposal of of some 'thing' that is inconvenient to the mother. i suppose it was also too inconvenient to use a condom at the crucial moment. DNA would prove it is a human - different DNA ergo different human being, not YOUR body but another human.
A human is not a human until it can at the very least exist independantly from it's mother. So where does that philosophy end ? Does it include people who have had an accident, neccessitating the use of life-support for a period of time ? there are already many who subscribe to this view and support euthanasia.
@Hanisipie Why are you so afraid of death? Everything has to die. Everyone has to die. It is not like people are immortal. So what does it matter at what point in time or a later one? The difference is 1 doesn't know it exists, it's heart cannot beat without the umbilical cord. The heart of a fetus is not beating independently from the mother. That philosophy ends when the fetus develops into an INFANT
A baby is definitely a human whether in or out of the whom. The baby's heart starts beating at 5-6 weeks. Is it still not considered a human? Abortion is the sickest evil thing man has come up with to hide and avoid their responsibilities. I weep for the future.
In the book, "Heaven is for Real" the little boy, Colton, meets his miscarried sister in Heaven along with his grandfather who had died 60 years before he was born. He said there are many babies in heaven, including aborted ones. Great book.Number ! on NY Times Best Seller list. Be sure to get a copy and read it!!
In the book, "Heaven is for Real" the little boy, Colton, meets his miscarried sister in Heaven along with his grandfather who had died 60 years before he was born. He said there are many babies in heaven, including aborted ones. Great book.Number ! on NY Times Best Seller list. Be sure to get a copy and read it!!
In the book, "Heaven is for Real" the little boy, Colton, meets his miscarried sister in Heaven along with his grandfather who had died 60 years before he was born. He said there are many babies in heaven, including aborted ones. Great book.Number ! on NY Times Best Seller list. Be sure to get a copy and read it!!
People will always think up excuses to do what they want to do, no matter who they hurt or kill. Abortion is murder and no amount of b.s. rationalizing is going to change that. They hide from the truth themselves and try to convince others to make themselves more comfortable. Sad.
~~~~~~~~~~ Sure it is, you little rocket scientist...thats why the 50 million women who had one are in prison for the punishable crime of murder...lolol, God, i love dumb people.
@rrmjvand says: Abortion is murder and no amount of b.s. rationalizing is going to change that. They hide from the truth themselves
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LMFAO...do you mean the way that YOU hide the truth that abortion is NOT murder? You people are frickin nutcases.. no wonder you get NOwhere in your fight!! and, keep LYING, prochoice thanks you.
Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. writes: "The underlying premise in the arguments pro-abortionists give against fetal personhood is that non-persons can change into persons. They are saying that a living being can undergo a radical, essential change in its nature during its lifetime. But there is a logical problem here. If the change was biologically inevitable from conception, given time, then this change is not a change in essential nature. This is because if the being naturally initiates the change,
It must be in its nature from the beginning to do so. If it is in its nature to do so, then despite any changes in such characteristics as independence, place of residence, physical development, or demonstration of mental ability, what the being is in later life is what the being is from the beginning of its life. This means that if we are persons with the right to be free from aggression later in life, we are persons even at conception. A False Assumption," Libertarians for Life
think of all the potential doctors professors and artists who may have been aborted over the years and gimps like this idiot get to live and spout crap
@coughinupstuff says: think of all the potential doctors professors and artists who may have been aborted over the years and gimps like this idiot get to live and spout crap
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ think of the mass murderers, the child molesters and killers, and all the other dregs of society who have been aborted!!!. Ya, lets debate who is the idiot.
You speak of man made laws not God's laws. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
@baileyb229 says: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
~~~~~~~~~~ Thast wonderful, now point out where it says abortion is a sin.
@Hanisipie God is imaginary. And do you really think anyone doesn't know what the 10 commandments are? Like you think we forgot or something? It is not killing. If you want to live by that logic you best not kill a mosquito either.
I had one pregnancy in my life as a married woman. I lost it because he/she was alive and growing in my fallopian tube. I felt the life and I knew that child, soul to soul You will never be pregnant so you have no clue what that experience is like. I lost my baby and could never get pregnant again. When I see girls kill their children they should not have made in the first place, i see red. Take your theories and talk to yourself with them.
@rrmjvand says: I lost my baby and could never get pregnant again. When I see girls kill their children they should not have made in the first place, i see red.
~~~~~~~~~ So, youre pissed at women who abort because YOU cant have kids ( which is a LIE)??? What the hell is wrong with you people??
@geezusispan And you think those "doctors" really care for the woman? Some idiots have illegal clinics and made abortions without thinking in the mother, and makes the procedure and the woman could die for blood lost and nobody cares! Those people only cares for money!
@Sueezee2 Because this type of murder was made legal by 7 non-elected judges. Because "people don't think" that abortion is murder (why do we always go by what people think???)
@AubryRoyan says: Because "people don't think" that abortion is murder
~~~~~~~~~ THINK its murder??? They KNOW its not murder. All educated people know there IS a defintion for murder. The only ones who THINK its murder are the uneducated probirthers who dont know words have defintions, and the ones who LIE, and thats all of you.
@Sueezee2 "[Abortion is] the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the DEATH of the embryo or fetus~~Webster's Medical Dictionary (search "Webster's Medical Dictionary" and type in "abortion" I can't post the link.)
You think you're educated? Where are your resources? And you're really going to say that all the people in America are educated. Think again! (If you were saying this, you'd probably say, "Oh wait, you can't think! *smile*")
its all crap, people suffering of huge illness or comatose patient who can never survive without medical apparatus are not human then????...they should depend on medical intervention to live.
its all crap, people suffering of huge illness or comatose patient who can never survive without medical apparatus are not human then????...they should depend on medical intervention to live.
Dude, you are full of crap! A fetus that is growing inside it's mother's womb is still considered a human, whether fully developed or not. It's a child not a choice, so yes it is murder. The idea that a fetus isn't considered to be a child until it's outside of his/her mother's womb is bull****! Complete liberal crap! Murder is evil. Babies have the right to live!
Can a severely handicapped person survive without someone to care for him? No, so shall we kill this person? Because this potential human is not "human" it's okay? Potential means possible or capability not realized; what else can humans POSSIBLY have? Maybe a rapist can use the excuse that he wanted to use his penis that way as it's HIS BODY, HIS CHOICE. Your arguments are absurd. I'd like to know how much research you did to come up with this. Btw, your word CANABAL is misspelled-it's CANNIBAL
also what about premature babies who are put in incubators? Even though they're outside the womb,they're still incapable of life without medical attn; shall we kill those beings? The youngest surviving preemie is at 24 weeks. If a person is NOT as developed as the next-a baby, toddler, adolescent, teen, adult or one isn't capable of living on their own, i.e mentally retarded, autistic, cerebral palsy, shall we kill those we deem LESS than what is considered the norm? Who will judge that?
I've noticed that homosexuality and abortion are both deeply connected for people of both parties hate to dishonoring the very heterosexuality and gestation of which they came from. Satan hates Gods plan for the family design and many people are like chess pieces in satans control.
So you have defined what a human being is? This opinion will be revisited again and tested at the end of your days when the sins of all mankind will be judged.
If you believe in judgement day, your statement on abortion is correct and you should follow it. If one doesn't believe in judgement day, it is poor judgement to expect people to follow it
@CribNotes i agree. it is perfectly lovely to take a personal religious stance on abortion. it is, however, not reasonable to expect people who do not share in your religious beliefs to fall in step
I'm respectfully against abortion (one of the few that isn't christian, which usually means arrogant opinion). I like your opinion on dependency, although people with special needs are also dependent on others and we do not abort them from life. I also agree that it is not a matter if suffering. But your video starts to skew from logic after the 3rd minute. You are trying to compare a decision someone makes to a failure of conception, which, like you said, the fetus cannot be conscious of.
@0gluttony0 i understand where you are coming from but i think you missed the point of one part of the argument. when they say independent they mean capable of life outside the womb. it has nothing to do with being able to care for one's self and be an independent individual, it means that the fetus isn't human yet because it is incapable of surviving and doesn't support its own systems (it is essentially a parasite though that's kind of a crass comparison).
@0gluttony0 pro choice activists don't, on the whole, support late term abortions because the baby is an independent being capable of life outside the womb. comparing early abortions to killing living people is illogical and downright silly
I'm prolife, and I was just talking about the baby. But I'm not a prolifer who really only cares about saving the baby's life. Those people get backed into a corner with they're arguments. You didn't even bring up the emotional risks of abortion, or non-risks. I personally know women who have had abortions, and they were unable to tell anyone for almost their entire life because of how emotionally straining it was on them.
I hope this makes you realize the truth about abortion.
@AubryRoyan Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth – that means 529 000 women a year.Five direct complications account for more than 70% of maternal deaths: haemorrhage (25%), infection (15%), unsafe abortion (13%), eclampsia (very high blood pressure leading to seizures – 12%), and obstructed labour (8%). While these are the main, unavailable, inaccessible, unaffordable, or poor quality care is fundamentally responsible.
@AubryRoyan says: how emotionally straining it was on them.I hope this makes you realize the truth about abortion.
~~~~~~~~~ Heres you TRUTH!! Thats NOT because of abortion, thats because of weak, whimpy women with no deicsion making skills. Problems after an abortion are SELF induced! Recurrent and intrusive thoughts are a CHOICE for women! Guilt & its effects is not an indicator you have done something wrong, only that you have DECIDED to make it worng in your mind.
@Sueezee2 Have you ever had an abortion? The women I know decided to make it RIGHT in their minds. Yet they still felt guilt. Recurrent and intrusive thoughts are no choice for women. A little child makes it right in her mind to steal a cookie, but she still feels guilt after she has done it. How many women have told absolutely no one about their abortion because they can't handle it? More than any of us would like to admit...
LOLOl, Poor Aubry, has no valid argument so goes for an attempted guilt trip via accusation of abortin? Sweetie, dont you know you cant make strong, intelligent, self assured women feel guilty about ANY well thought out decision they make? To get the results your dying for, you have to say that to weak, whimpy prolifers, w/ no self assuredness & no decision making skills. They will boohoo all day, you'll LOVE it!
@Sueezee2 Do you personally know a woman who has had an abortion and has finally told people about it? If you did, you wouldn't have made that comment. One woman, who is like my second mom, has had an abortion, and she told no one, not even her husband about it until she became a Christian and was convicted that she should tell her story.
@Sueezee2 Excuse me? I know it's hard to prove who you are on the internet, but you'll probably be really humiliated when I tell you that I'm a TEENAGER and write on a prolife blog called We Can't Ignore (search it, you might learn something). And if you do go looking for it, leave us an awesome comment, visit the About Us page (so u know I'm actually who I say I am), and start spamming our email. That'll prove your point really well.
@Sueezee2 Another woman I know personally had 3 abortions and told no one until she became a Christian, and only then her husband, and only about one. She was convicted to tell about all three, but only after going through a program with a Pregnancy Resource Center that was designed to help women overcome their grief and guilt.
Your personal anecdotes don't really matter. What does matter is women have a right to decide if and when to give birth. Legalized abortion is a good thing. Those centers that guilt trip women for abortions should be burned down...
@geezusispan I volunteer at a center that "guilt trips" women. I am also very close to many of the "guilt tripped" women who say it's the best thing that ever happened to them. Many centers do misuse (and that's a light word for it) women. And unfortunately, those centers get the most media. But believe me when I tell you that there are so many good CPC's who's main goal is to help women make the best choice for their life.
@AubryRoyan says: I volunteer at a center that "guilt trips" women.But believe me when I tell you that there are so many good CPC's who's main goal is to help women make the best choice for their life.
~~~~~~~~~ YOU, a probirther, volunteer in a center that promotes choices?? Who do you think youre talking to? Dumbasses?? LOL..Bye sweetie, I dont like deceitful people
@geezusispan Obviously, they give the girls the numerous reasons why abortion is not the best option, but they will also help them choose between parenting and adoption, and give them the tools for both. It's a long-term relationship, the consultant keeps in touch with the client for at least a year. That is completely different from abortion clinics where the client gets an abortion and goes, many times never to be seen again.
@geezusispan Do marriage counselors counsel a marriage for 50 years? No, they give it a foundation to thrive on. Same thing with consultants. And after a year, most parents are really glad that they didn't abort.
There are approx 40 million abortions every year, you know of 4 where the women felt remorse. Remorse is common, some people have remorse about not going to college or buying shoes that were too expensive. Abortion can be the best decision a woman ever made. It has to be judged a case by case.
@AubryRoyan says: Another woman I know personally had 3 abortions
~~~~~~~~~~ You know 3 women that told no one?????? hahahaha, and THAT means WHAT to you? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response ( and laughing as I do)
@Sueezee2 I admit, I don't have a stat. But the thing is, you have given me nothing. Give me a stat and back it up with a website that someone more important than yourself trusts, and I'll believe you. The thing about the stats, though, is that if it's true that most women don't want to tell anyone about their abortion, if they are interviewed and asked if they have had an abortion, they will say no. And if they say yes, who wants to tell a guy on the phone that you struggle emotionally?
I have given YOU nothing?? Why dont yOU respond to MY question. YOU SAID: How many women have told absolutely no one about their abortion because they can't handle it"?
~~~~~~~~~~~ I replied: prove thats why they didnt tell...
@Sueezee2 And why would that not be the reason? Do people keep a normal surgery hidden from the world? No, it's not something to be embarrassed about. Why are there so many women who can't talk about abortion (I know WAY more than three)? It makes total sense that it would be because they had one.... Now answer my question.
@AubryRoyan says: but only after going through a program with a Pregnancy Resource Center that was designed to help women overcome their grief and guilt.
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LOl, if weak, whimpy women who aborted cant talk abuot it, then they are just the nutcases that can be lead around by the nose of the employees of a "preg resource center". You know , the ones who have NO self esteem or critical thinking skills. I wonder why the dumbasses aborted in the fisrt place. ?? LOLOL
@Sueezee2 Your comments are insensitive and reflect the standard script of prochoicers. Do you ever research or think for yourself? Or do you actually have any personal experience to come from? I have real proof. Not skewed statistics. I personally know women (and know of many, many others) who fit my description. Prove to me that you know more women than I do that fit your description.
@AubryRoyan says:do you actually have any personal experience to come from?
~~~~~~~~~ Ah, poor Aubry, dosent have anything to fight back with so he attempts a guilt trip??Sweetie, dont you know you cant make strong, intelligent, self assured women feel guilty about ANY well thought out decision they make? To get the results your dying for, you have to say that to weak, whimpy prolifers, w/ no self assuredness & no decision making skills. They will boohoo all day, you'll LOVE it.
@AubryRoyan says: Prove to me that you know more women than I do that fit your description.
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WHAT?????? LMFAO...it was a STATISTIC, you dumbass...it was NOT the consensus of a few people that I know..hahahahah, are you kidding me??? You cant get much dumber than that honey!
@Sueezee2 Wow, I was wondering when you'd give up. You sure it's not JUST because you think I'm uneducated, but also that you couldn't give me anything to back up your points? Am I a bore because I was going to make you actually WORK??? If you think you're so educated, actually be educated and back up your points. Then maybe people will actually listen to you...Oh, and it helps if you don't call people dumbasses...fyi.
Yes an embryo/fetus is alive and it's human, however it does NOT have any right to use it's carrier's body against her will. It has some rights when viable. The woman's rights, that the fetus is literally growing from, supersede any rights the fetus has. Simple and fair.
geezusispan 2 hours ago
Abortion is legal because it's a privacy right, and an autonomy right. It's too bad you live in a country where woman have legal rights...... hahahahahah
geezusispan 3 hours ago
Every time a woman does not get raped, she loses a potential child. Law enforcers prevent innocent children from living!
Peaceeverbody 4 hours ago
Is this a MAN talking about when the baby becomes human? The human potential is what is at issue. Any intellegent individual will agree that the baby is dependent on it's mother. This is such a beautiful thing. Have you ever been a father? I hope that you are able to experience this for yourself. The menstral period happens when the egg is not fertilized by sperm..come on..do I need to explain biology to you.
pwilliamson1000 5 hours ago
No more masturbation! Millions of potential children die from this evil activity!
Peaceeverbody 5 hours ago
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Sueezee2 7 hours ago
What do you call it when you end the life of another human being? Murder.
You can call a cow pie a pancake but it's still a pile of shit.
Abortion IS murder. Your devaluing of human life is disgusting. Why would you try to justify slaughter of babies?
thevikingmonkey 14 hours ago
@thevikingmonkey says: Abortion IS murder.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Murder is a punishable crime. Tell us all how aabortion is murder and no one is punished for it? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response that CANT come.
Sueezee2 8 hours ago
@Sueezee2
Because feminists have managed to devalue human life enough where it has become socially acceptable to murder your own children, born or unborn. Just ask casey anthony. A lot of terrible things go unpunished.
Your train of logic has derailed. Here's the tracks and you're off in the woods somewhere on fire.
Keep your mouth shut when adults are talking, child.
thevikingmonkey 7 hours ago
@thevikingmonkey says: What do you call it when you end the life of another human being? Murder.
~~~~~~~~~ A fetus isnt a human being and there is no "life" to end. learn the law and stop looking foolish
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
@thevikingmonkey says: Why would you try to justify slaughter of babies?
~~~~~~~~~ Abortion is legal...no excuses, reasons or justification necessary.
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
@Sueezee2
So is female circumcision in some countries, so is child marriage and statutory rape. I guess those things can't be wrong since they're legal, right?
Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the "logic" of a girl. "It's ok cause it's legal".
thevikingmonkey 6 hours ago
@LthanReputable 1.can you show 1 other mammal that can willfully abort there unborn child 2. a miscarriage is not an abortion! you have no will over a miscarriage, but you do have will over an abortion. 3. egg and sperm are only cell till they combine and attach to the correct location
dfissell 16 hours ago
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@dfissell says: can you show 1 other mammal that can willfully abort there unborn child
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No, they wait until after birth
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
It's a life from the day that was conceived, & if a woman dosen't want to get pregnant them they should just close their legs! or use condom , or be on birth control...!!!
yaneth18ful 17 hours ago
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@yaneth18ful says: if a woman dosen't want to get pregnant them they should just close their legs!
~~~~~~~~~~ Cant you people say "have sex" instead of that white trash term, "close legs"? And, you can get pregnant with legs closed.
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
I believe that abortion shouldn't be an option at all unless it was a result of incest or rape. Women have control over their own bodies, like what was said in this video, so they can decide before sex if they want a baby or not. People need to go to the source of the problem and control unprotected sex. In fact, abstinence is the best solution. A fetus is genetically a separate human being from the mother,so it's not really just a woman's property.Prevent unprotected sex if a baby is not wanted
Ocom3541 17 hours ago
@Ocom3541 says: I believe that abortion shouldn't be an option at all unless it was a result of incest or rape.
~~~~~~~~ Are you speaking for ME? Why do you love an unknow entity that is OWNED by someone else, that could die naturally or be aborted and you'd NEVER know it, that you wont care about, wont feed, love, or guide> WHY?
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
@Ocom3541 says; Prevent unprotected sex if a baby is not wanted
~~~~~~~~~~~~ You want control of births, abortions AND sex? Why dont you buy a little plastic badge, and make yourslef the sex police, and you can go door to door making sure everyone is having sex in a manner that pleases YOU? You people are controlling nutcases!!
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
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@Ocom3541 says: abstinence is the best solution.
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billions of people have sex everyday with NO pregnancies and here YOU are wanting it to stop....just in case?? Honey, thats not a fear of pregnancy, thats a fear of human sexuality. Get some help for your sexual hang-ups, and keep your nose out of other people sex life!!
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
a fetus is not yet a human being but has potential to life therefore, in a way it is murder. thumbs up if i am correct (''')_ʕ•ᴥ•ʔ_(''')
TheNeehar123 20 hours ago 2
@TheNeehar123 says: a fetus is not yet a human being but has potential to life therefore, in a way it is murder.
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"IN A WAY IT IS MURDER"?????? What the hell does that mean??? thats like saying someone is alittle bit pregnant? it either is or inst murder...and abortion ISNT. How old are you people?
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
yes it is murder do you wanna kill a kid WHO DIDINT DO ANY THING THE CHILD IS A VICTEM AND YOUURE THE MURDER IT IS A HUMEN BEING TO why do people do it you can put the kid in adoption just dont kill plz just dont kill that little human being plz dont
AlecMartinezTv 21 hours ago 2
@AlecMartinezTv says: why do people do it you can put the kid in adoption
~~~~~~~~~ You mean stop all abortions(40 MILLIOn a yr) and possibly thrown all thosekids away for someone else to "deal" with? Are you frickin insane? Do you know how many babies that could be in your damned lifetime? Are you all under 10 yrs old???
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
@LthanReputable that was an interesting point of view, but i completely disagree with you. /watch?v=qv-Tn36Q6X4 check out that video, to see a good Pro-Life standpoint. And when you talk about the fetus being dependent on its mother, well yeah, but so are newborns. After it comes out of the womb, it's not independent from it's mother. if you were just to leave that baby alone, out somewhere, it would also die. A newborn can't feed his/herself. But seriously, watch the video
youmustbeadumbasssmh 1 day ago
@youmustbeadumbasssmh said - And when you talk about the fetus being dependent on its mother, but so are newborns. After it comes out of the womb, it's not independent from it's mother.
After week 26-27 a fetus may be able to live in an incubator, with much help. Before that it is literally growing from the woman. Almost 90% of all abortions in the US are 12 weeks or before. If the woman has NO desire to give birth, then what would be the point of forcing her to ??
geezusispan 1 day ago
@geezusispan there is a difference between partially dependent and 100% dependent.
qbert1345 23 hours ago
Abortion is a crime and you are a liar !!!
lech1126 1 day ago
@lech1126 Abortion is LEGAL (thus not a crime). And you are a dumbass.
Numbuh7 1 day ago
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@lech1126 says: Abortion is a crime and you are a liar !!!
~~~~~~~~~ Sure it is, its why 50 million wo,men are in prison for the punishable crime of abortoin...LMAO..God, I love dumb people
Sueezee2 22 hours ago
If you did your resaerch you would know that nine out of ten women that have an abortion for their first pregnancy become steral. another point is that abortion either chops the child up or burns the "fetus" like paper.
Mitch3343 1 day ago
@Mitch3343 you are a complete and utter liar. your research is WRONG.
brightstripes420 1 day ago
@Mitch3343
It's morons like you that show why so called pro-lifers can't ever defeat the women's rights.
geezusispan 1 day ago
@Mitch3343 says: f you did your resaerch you would know that nine out of ten women that have an abortion for their first pregnancy become steral.
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LOLOL, Thats going in my book and Im posting it in the CS Forum...they will die laughing...
Sueezee2 22 hours ago
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Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even if it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babie's RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
sobriquet1999 1 day ago
7. Again, menstruation is just a biological mechanism, and unfertilized eggs are not human organisms anyhow...
8. It is not ridiculous to expect people to abstain from harming young humans.
Hatrimn 1 day ago
5. Cultural precedence is irrelevant. It's easy to see why the tradition is "birth day", since "conception day" might have been a little dificult to pin point throughout the ages. Regardless, whether a culture regards the unborn as humans or not is inadmissible as an appeal to tradition.
6. Suicide and murder require an act of volition, which a fertilized egg is incapable of. It is a biological happenstance, or just death by natural causes.
Hatrimn 1 day ago
3. The absence of sentience or capacity to feel anything does not absolve you of being a murderer. If I heavily sedate you, and "humanely" kill you without your consent, I would still be a murderer no matter how painless it was for you.
4. A fetus is a genetically complete self actualizing human organism. It IS a human being (not potentially), albeit a nascent human being. Newborns also lack the distinguished qualities that H sapiens are known to possess, but they are still human beings.
Hatrimn 1 day ago
@Hatrimn Lmao... You call this refuting? None of your "arguments" hold any water.
Numbuh7 1 day ago
@Numbuh7 Of course it is refuting. Which of it did you not understand?
Hatrimn 23 hours ago
@Hatrimn says: It IS a human being (not potentially)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Its not a being until birth.
Sueezee2 22 hours ago
@Sueezee2 LOL, what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood? The DNA doesn't change. Sounds like religious superstition. And I suppose that means you are fine with late term abortions too? Brilliant.
Hatrimn 17 hours ago
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@Hatrimn say: what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood?
~~~~~~~~~~ Why are you people always asking prochoicers for information on the subject of abortion??? Why dont YOU know this stuff? Ok, Birth gives fetuses personhood,. Wasnt that simple?? OR was it too hard for you to comprehend?
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
@Hatrimn says: And I suppose that means you are fine with late term abortions too?
~~~~~~~~~~~ WHOSE late term abortion?? Are you asking me if I will be fine with t he decsion an Egyptian women made on the other side of the country concerning HER god damned fetus and life? I dont want to control others as YOU do. i dont care what she does. Why do YOU? get your own fetuse and leave other womens alone, you nutcase
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
@Sueezee2 "I dont want to control others as YOU do. i dont care what she does. Why do YOU?"
We have made it clear why we care. The same reason we care if parents kill their offspring post parturition too. Doing anything that would harm young humans is wrong...
Society must control you in order to provide a safe prosperous environment. You are being controlled, you are not truly free. Is this not obvious to you?
Hatrimn 40 minutes ago
@Hatrimn says - Society must control you in order to provide a safe prosperous environment. You are being controlled, you are not truly free. Is this not obvious to you?
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It is true to some degree but, the individual can be freer than the laws of government or society, eg. all the people who use illicit drugs.
The point, YOU do NOT have the right to tell pregnant women they HAVE to give birth. YOUR morals are not universally held. That's why they have the INDIVIDUAL FREEDOM of choice.
geezusispan 21 minutes ago
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@Hatrimn says: what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood? The DNA doesn't change. Sounds like religious superstition.
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LOLOl, Religion????? You think religion decided legal terms??? How oldare you??
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
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@Hatrimn says: LOL, what transformation takes place that suddenly endows a newborn with personhood? The DNA doesn't change
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DNA??? You htink DNA is what gives us personhood??? Do you knwo NOTHINg about this subject?/ Take alittle damned pride in yourself, if you have any..learn before you speak & look foolish
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
2. The Unborn Victims of Violence Act contradicts the legal stance that abortion is not the killing of another human being.
Additionally, we all know that abortion is not legally considered murder at the moment, so to mention (inconsistent) legislation is just petty and fallacious. It may be legal to kill your adulterous wife in some culture past or present, but it is still murder.
Hatrimn 1 day ago
@Hatrimn says: The Unborn Victims of Violence Act contradicts the legal stance that abortion is not the killing of another human being.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ NOwhere in the U V V Act is the word human being used for the killed fetus, as that wold give the fetus rights. learn the semantics of the laws.
Sueezee2 22 hours ago
@Sueezee2 So you are admitting that the law will punish you to the fullest extent if you kill a woman's unborn thingamabob, to which the mother has a licence to kill. LOL, and someone should take the law's definition of human being seriously??
Again, legislation is irrelevant. There is a difference between what is legal and what is right or wrong.
Hatrimn 17 hours ago
@Hatrimn says"There is a difference between what is legal and what is right or wrong.
~~~~~~~~~~~ Who is the judge of whats right or wrong?? Sorry sweetie, its not YOU.
Sueezee2 8 hours ago
@Sueezee2 "Who is the judge of whats right or wrong?? Sorry sweetie, its not YOU."
LOL, that's like asking who is the judge of what's real and what's not. We are all the judge by way of evidence and reasoned arguments. Duh
Hatrimn 50 minutes ago
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@Hatrimn said - "Who is the judge of whats right or wrong?? Sorry sweetie, its not YOU."
LOL, that's like asking who is the judge of what's real and what's not. We are all the judge by way of evidence and reasoned arguments. Duh
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So you admit morals are subjective and subject to individual interpretation. Welcome to the pro-choice side!
geezusispan 18 minutes ago
@Hatrimn says" and someone should take the law's definition of human being seriously??
~~~~~~~~ Blame dudmdbass G Bush, Jr, who decided to call it murder, but that will be changed one day.
Sueezee2 7 hours ago
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@Sueezee2 "Blame dudmdbass G Bush, Jr, who decided to call it murder"
I don't care who decided to call it murder. Law makers can ignore science all they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the unborn are human beings, they aren't any other animal, vegatable, or mineral.
Hatrimn 48 minutes ago
Now I will quickly refute each point made in this video.
1. The definition you gave for fetus does not mention anything about a particular fetus not being the species it belongs to, only that it is developing and cannot survive indepedently.
Your assertion of when human life begins is debilitating to your argument. The age of viability will continue to decrease as medical science progresses, and eventually you are left to acknowledge a zygote as a human because it is outside of the womb.
Hatrimn 1 day ago
At the earliest stages, a fetus is no more human than the cells on a hair follicle. Do we then say that having a shave or pulling hairs is murder? Of course not. The whole "abortion is murder" argument is absurd. And strangely enough, most of the time those who argue this would more than willingly kill adult human beings. So much for the sacrity of life.
ThomasTrue 1 day ago 2
Women with children have more abortions than anyone else, and by an increasingly wide margin. Guttmacher Institute said 61% in 2008, more recently the National Abortion Federation said 70%, in the US. These women that are already mothers do NOT feel the same about an embryo as they do about their born children, so much for them being equal.
geezusispan 2 days ago
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Some women NEVER regret their abortion. I know a girl from high school who still says its the best thing she ever did. She was pregnant at 16, had no money and the dude that got her pregnant was 21 and in jail for drugs. She made the right choice for herself at that time. And she lives without any regret and would make the same decision if she could go back. She now has 2 kids with her husband.
geezusispan 2 days ago
Thank you for posting this, I've said this for so long but no one listens. Thank you!
SlipknotChick427 2 days ago
I wouldn't go with "a human is not a human until.."....Replace that with "a human is not a person until.."
mcnesta80 2 days ago
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well,i will never take the right of living of a fetus for my 10-20-30 minutes sex pleasure
girayhankaya 2 days ago
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girayhankaya 2 days ago
If I plant a seed in the ground, did I plant a plant, or did I plant a seed? Will that seed never get dug up? Will it never go too long without water? Will the soil not have enough nutrients? Maybe. Maybe not. That seed is not a plant, nor guaranteed to become one. It is just potential. Nothing more. Like shooting AT someone doesn't mean they've been SHOT.
blackkakari 2 days ago
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thank you, my exact argument for years. the "pro life" people will not accept the provable facts, who needs facts right, compared to mass hysteria of options and beliefs. a parasitic zygote or parasitic fetus depending on time since fertilization relying 100% on a host to survive... period.
qbert1345 2 days ago
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geezusispan 2 days ago
Abortion is not murder, it's birth control. The beauty of choice is, any woman who doesn't like abortion, never has to have one. Nothing could be fairer.
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Sueezee2 2 days ago
Excellent. I wish the people who were against abortion actually got out an adopted these unwanted children -- the nearly 250,000 children abandoned annually to the Welfare System. Besides, God murders more children in the womb than abortion doctors do, but that's "okay."
lbbp22 2 days ago
@lbbp22 Actually lbbp22, there are approximately 1.3 million abortions each year and approximately 1.3 million families are on a waiting list to adopt a child.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
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Basically the pro-choice argument is The fetus isn't a person,but even it it were it doesn't matter because the woman's right to control her body is more important than the fetus's right to exist. The pro-life argument is that abortion is immoral and promotes immoral behavior BUT even if it doesn't the unborn babies RIGHT to exist temporarily outweighs the woman's right to absolute control of her body. So far I find the pro-life argument more compelling, But I'm still somewhat open minded.
sobriquet1999 2 days ago
Abortion is HOMICIDE. Plane and simple.
walterygor 2 days ago
Your reasoning is ingenious but it is hopelessly flawed. There is no way you can "prove" that fetuses cannot feel pain. You are choosing on faith to believe that fetuses cannot feel pain.
Lufiend 2 days ago
@Lufiend Yes there is proof and to sit there typing like you knowwhat you're talking about is intellectual dihonesty. The nueral pathways do not function adequetly in order to feel pain until 24 weeks and there is no set gestational point that we can count on biologically. It may not feel pain as late as 35 weeks. It just depends on an individual basis. Stop with the condemnation. It is not a baby. It is not conscious, it doesn't think, it feels no pain.
splicedenergy 1 day ago
2.52 - 3.03 What absolutely ridiculous arguments. I don't THINK it is murder I KNOW it is. I was a Mother from the time I conceived. It was all just a matter of time and growth. Foetus/baby ... it's just semantics really, a way of excusing the disposal of of some 'thing' that is inconvenient to the mother. i suppose it was also too inconvenient to use a condom at the crucial moment. DNA would prove it is a human - different DNA ergo different human being, not YOUR body but another human.
Hanisipie 2 days ago
A human is not a human until it can at the very least exist independantly from it's mother. So where does that philosophy end ? Does it include people who have had an accident, neccessitating the use of life-support for a period of time ? there are already many who subscribe to this view and support euthanasia.
Hanisipie 2 days ago
@Hanisipie Why are you so afraid of death? Everything has to die. Everyone has to die. It is not like people are immortal. So what does it matter at what point in time or a later one? The difference is 1 doesn't know it exists, it's heart cannot beat without the umbilical cord. The heart of a fetus is not beating independently from the mother. That philosophy ends when the fetus develops into an INFANT
splicedenergy 1 day ago
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A baby is definitely a human whether in or out of the whom. The baby's heart starts beating at 5-6 weeks. Is it still not considered a human? Abortion is the sickest evil thing man has come up with to hide and avoid their responsibilities. I weep for the future.
jagarditttroll 2 days ago 6
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In the book, "Heaven is for Real" the little boy, Colton, meets his miscarried sister in Heaven along with his grandfather who had died 60 years before he was born. He said there are many babies in heaven, including aborted ones. Great book.Number ! on NY Times Best Seller list. Be sure to get a copy and read it!!
rrmjvand 2 days ago
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In the book, "Heaven is for Real" the little boy, Colton, meets his miscarried sister in Heaven along with his grandfather who had died 60 years before he was born. He said there are many babies in heaven, including aborted ones. Great book.Number ! on NY Times Best Seller list. Be sure to get a copy and read it!!
rrmjvand 2 days ago
In the book, "Heaven is for Real" the little boy, Colton, meets his miscarried sister in Heaven along with his grandfather who had died 60 years before he was born. He said there are many babies in heaven, including aborted ones. Great book.Number ! on NY Times Best Seller list. Be sure to get a copy and read it!!
rrmjvand 2 days ago
People will always think up excuses to do what they want to do, no matter who they hurt or kill. Abortion is murder and no amount of b.s. rationalizing is going to change that. They hide from the truth themselves and try to convince others to make themselves more comfortable. Sad.
rrmjvand 2 days ago
@rrmjvand says: Abortion is murder
~~~~~~~~~~ Sure it is, you little rocket scientist...thats why the 50 million women who had one are in prison for the punishable crime of murder...lolol, God, i love dumb people.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
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@rrmjvand says: Abortion is murder and no amount of b.s. rationalizing is going to change that. They hide from the truth themselves
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ LMFAO...do you mean the way that YOU hide the truth that abortion is NOT murder? You people are frickin nutcases.. no wonder you get NOwhere in your fight!! and, keep LYING, prochoice thanks you.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
Dr. Edwin Vieira, Jr. writes: "The underlying premise in the arguments pro-abortionists give against fetal personhood is that non-persons can change into persons. They are saying that a living being can undergo a radical, essential change in its nature during its lifetime. But there is a logical problem here. If the change was biologically inevitable from conception, given time, then this change is not a change in essential nature. This is because if the being naturally initiates the change,
teton99 2 days ago
It must be in its nature from the beginning to do so. If it is in its nature to do so, then despite any changes in such characteristics as independence, place of residence, physical development, or demonstration of mental ability, what the being is in later life is what the being is from the beginning of its life. This means that if we are persons with the right to be free from aggression later in life, we are persons even at conception. A False Assumption," Libertarians for Life
teton99 2 days ago
think of all the potential doctors professors and artists who may have been aborted over the years and gimps like this idiot get to live and spout crap
coughinupstuff 2 days ago
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@coughinupstuff says: think of all the potential doctors professors and artists who may have been aborted over the years and gimps like this idiot get to live and spout crap
~~~~~~~~~~~~~ think of the mass murderers, the child molesters and killers, and all the other dregs of society who have been aborted!!!. Ya, lets debate who is the idiot.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
if i ever met the fool who made this video i would abort hes life
coughinupstuff 2 days ago
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@coughinupstuff says; if i ever met the fool who made this video i would abort hes life
~~~~~~~~~~~~ Glad to see youre pro choice...
Sueezee2 2 days ago
"I've noticed that everyone that is for abortion has already been born." -Ronald Reagan
SongBirdJesusFreak 3 days ago
You speak of man made laws not God's laws. "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
Jeremiah1:5
baileyb229 3 days ago 2
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@baileyb229 says: "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, And before you were born I consecrated you; I have appointed you a prophet to the nations."
~~~~~~~~~~ Thast wonderful, now point out where it says abortion is a sin.
Sueezee2 3 days ago
@Sueezee2 "You shall not kill" - God
Hanisipie 2 days ago
@Hanisipie Unless you are god. Then I guess it would be OK to kill a bunch of first-born children.
j2nd3r 2 days ago
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@Hanisipie says: "You shall not kill" - God
~~~~~~~~~~~ Prove that means embryos and fetuses - Sue
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Hanisipie God is imaginary. And do you really think anyone doesn't know what the 10 commandments are? Like you think we forgot or something? It is not killing. If you want to live by that logic you best not kill a mosquito either.
splicedenergy 1 day ago
I had one pregnancy in my life as a married woman. I lost it because he/she was alive and growing in my fallopian tube. I felt the life and I knew that child, soul to soul You will never be pregnant so you have no clue what that experience is like. I lost my baby and could never get pregnant again. When I see girls kill their children they should not have made in the first place, i see red. Take your theories and talk to yourself with them.
rrmjvand 3 days ago
@rrmjvand if your against abortion..dont have one
its your body you dediceded not too..however let some one esle dedicide for themselve
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@rrmjvand says: I lost my baby and could never get pregnant again
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The LIES of the probirthers to get a point across are the most amazing phenomenon that I have ever seen. It needs psychological study!!
Sueezee2 3 days ago
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@rrmjvand says: I lost my baby and could never get pregnant again. When I see girls kill their children they should not have made in the first place, i see red.
~~~~~~~~~ So, youre pissed at women who abort because YOU cant have kids ( which is a LIE)??? What the hell is wrong with you people??
Sueezee2 3 days ago
You can't prove anything. Abortion is murder. And who the heck are you that we should listen to you? No thanks, pal.
rrmjvand 3 days ago
@rrmjvand Like all so-called pro-lifers you want to focus entirely on the embryo, with no thought to the woman it is literally growing from.
geezusispan 3 days ago
@geezusispan And you think those "doctors" really care for the woman? Some idiots have illegal clinics and made abortions without thinking in the mother, and makes the procedure and the woman could die for blood lost and nobody cares! Those people only cares for money!
chinatzuify 3 days ago
@rrmjvand says: Abortion is murder
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Then why arent 50 million on prison for the PUNISHEBALE CRIME OF MURDER??? OOps, seems I got ya there, huh? Answer the question, LIAR!!
Sueezee2 3 days ago
@Sueezee2 Because this type of murder was made legal by 7 non-elected judges. Because "people don't think" that abortion is murder (why do we always go by what people think???)
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
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@AubryRoyan says: Because this type of murder was made legal
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An ILLEGAL act...is not LEGAL.. LMFAO!!! God bless those who dont know their own ignorance.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: Because "people don't think" that abortion is murder
~~~~~~~~~ THINK its murder??? They KNOW its not murder. All educated people know there IS a defintion for murder. The only ones who THINK its murder are the uneducated probirthers who dont know words have defintions, and the ones who LIE, and thats all of you.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 "[Abortion is] the termination of a pregnancy after, accompanied by, resulting in, or closely followed by the DEATH of the embryo or fetus~~Webster's Medical Dictionary (search "Webster's Medical Dictionary" and type in "abortion" I can't post the link.)
You think you're educated? Where are your resources? And you're really going to say that all the people in America are educated. Think again! (If you were saying this, you'd probably say, "Oh wait, you can't think! *smile*")
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
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its all crap, people suffering of huge illness or comatose patient who can never survive without medical apparatus are not human then????...they should depend on medical intervention to live.
adiilah13 3 days ago
its all crap, people suffering of huge illness or comatose patient who can never survive without medical apparatus are not human then????...they should depend on medical intervention to live.
adiilah13 3 days ago
Dude, you are full of crap! A fetus that is growing inside it's mother's womb is still considered a human, whether fully developed or not. It's a child not a choice, so yes it is murder. The idea that a fetus isn't considered to be a child until it's outside of his/her mother's womb is bull****! Complete liberal crap! Murder is evil. Babies have the right to live!
genia232011 3 days ago
Can a severely handicapped person survive without someone to care for him? No, so shall we kill this person? Because this potential human is not "human" it's okay? Potential means possible or capability not realized; what else can humans POSSIBLY have? Maybe a rapist can use the excuse that he wanted to use his penis that way as it's HIS BODY, HIS CHOICE. Your arguments are absurd. I'd like to know how much research you did to come up with this. Btw, your word CANABAL is misspelled-it's CANNIBAL
1Sweetsexyflava 3 days ago
also what about premature babies who are put in incubators? Even though they're outside the womb,they're still incapable of life without medical attn; shall we kill those beings? The youngest surviving preemie is at 24 weeks. If a person is NOT as developed as the next-a baby, toddler, adolescent, teen, adult or one isn't capable of living on their own, i.e mentally retarded, autistic, cerebral palsy, shall we kill those we deem LESS than what is considered the norm? Who will judge that?
1Sweetsexyflava 3 days ago
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@1Sweetsexyflava Like all so-called pro-lifers you want to focus entirely on the embryo, with no thought to the woman it is literally growing from.
geezusispan 3 days ago
I've noticed that homosexuality and abortion are both deeply connected for people of both parties hate to dishonoring the very heterosexuality and gestation of which they came from. Satan hates Gods plan for the family design and many people are like chess pieces in satans control.
lowellkylewilliamson 3 days ago
So you have defined what a human being is? This opinion will be revisited again and tested at the end of your days when the sins of all mankind will be judged.
Eagle2012B 3 days ago
If you believe in judgement day, your statement on abortion is correct and you should follow it. If one doesn't believe in judgement day, it is poor judgement to expect people to follow it
CribNotes 3 days ago
@CribNotes i agree. it is perfectly lovely to take a personal religious stance on abortion. it is, however, not reasonable to expect people who do not share in your religious beliefs to fall in step
iwantwaffles007 3 days ago
@Eagle2012B what about those who don't subscribe to your religious beliefs? should people of other religions be held to YOUR moral standard? why?
iwantwaffles007 3 days ago
I'm respectfully against abortion (one of the few that isn't christian, which usually means arrogant opinion). I like your opinion on dependency, although people with special needs are also dependent on others and we do not abort them from life. I also agree that it is not a matter if suffering. But your video starts to skew from logic after the 3rd minute. You are trying to compare a decision someone makes to a failure of conception, which, like you said, the fetus cannot be conscious of.
0gluttony0 3 days ago
@0gluttony0 i understand where you are coming from but i think you missed the point of one part of the argument. when they say independent they mean capable of life outside the womb. it has nothing to do with being able to care for one's self and be an independent individual, it means that the fetus isn't human yet because it is incapable of surviving and doesn't support its own systems (it is essentially a parasite though that's kind of a crass comparison).
iwantwaffles007 3 days ago
@0gluttony0 pro choice activists don't, on the whole, support late term abortions because the baby is an independent being capable of life outside the womb. comparing early abortions to killing living people is illogical and downright silly
iwantwaffles007 3 days ago
I'm prolife, and I was just talking about the baby. But I'm not a prolifer who really only cares about saving the baby's life. Those people get backed into a corner with they're arguments. You didn't even bring up the emotional risks of abortion, or non-risks. I personally know women who have had abortions, and they were unable to tell anyone for almost their entire life because of how emotionally straining it was on them.
I hope this makes you realize the truth about abortion.
AubryRoyan 4 days ago
@AubryRoyan
The important point is if a woman has an embryo literally growing from her and she doesn't want it she can abort. That is the truth of abortion.
geezusispan 3 days ago
@AubryRoyan Every minute, at least one woman dies from complications related to pregnancy or childbirth – that means 529 000 women a year.Five direct complications account for more than 70% of maternal deaths: haemorrhage (25%), infection (15%), unsafe abortion (13%), eclampsia (very high blood pressure leading to seizures – 12%), and obstructed labour (8%). While these are the main, unavailable, inaccessible, unaffordable, or poor quality care is fundamentally responsible.
geezusispan 3 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: how emotionally straining it was on them.I hope this makes you realize the truth about abortion.
~~~~~~~~~ Heres you TRUTH!! Thats NOT because of abortion, thats because of weak, whimpy women with no deicsion making skills. Problems after an abortion are SELF induced! Recurrent and intrusive thoughts are a CHOICE for women! Guilt & its effects is not an indicator you have done something wrong, only that you have DECIDED to make it worng in your mind.
Sueezee2 3 days ago
@Sueezee2 Have you ever had an abortion? The women I know decided to make it RIGHT in their minds. Yet they still felt guilt. Recurrent and intrusive thoughts are no choice for women. A little child makes it right in her mind to steal a cookie, but she still feels guilt after she has done it. How many women have told absolutely no one about their abortion because they can't handle it? More than any of us would like to admit...
AubryRoyan 3 days ago
@AubryRoyan most women don;t tell people because of the stigma, not out of guilt which is, again, often induced by the stigma
iwantwaffles007 3 days ago
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@AubryRoyan says: Have you ever had an abortion?
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LOLOl, Poor Aubry, has no valid argument so goes for an attempted guilt trip via accusation of abortin? Sweetie, dont you know you cant make strong, intelligent, self assured women feel guilty about ANY well thought out decision they make? To get the results your dying for, you have to say that to weak, whimpy prolifers, w/ no self assuredness & no decision making skills. They will boohoo all day, you'll LOVE it!
Sueezee2 3 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: How many women have told absolutely no one about their abortion because they can't handle it?
~~~~~~~~~~~ prove thats why they didnt tell...(smile). Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response..
Sueezee2 3 days ago
@Sueezee2 Do you personally know a woman who has had an abortion and has finally told people about it? If you did, you wouldn't have made that comment. One woman, who is like my second mom, has had an abortion, and she told no one, not even her husband about it until she became a Christian and was convicted that she should tell her story.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan ..dont we all know you by another user name? (smile)
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 Excuse me? I know it's hard to prove who you are on the internet, but you'll probably be really humiliated when I tell you that I'm a TEENAGER and write on a prolife blog called We Can't Ignore (search it, you might learn something). And if you do go looking for it, leave us an awesome comment, visit the About Us page (so u know I'm actually who I say I am), and start spamming our email. That'll prove your point really well.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: but you'll probably be really humiliated when I tell you that I'm a TEENAGER
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ME? Humiliated? LOl, you dont know me well (or do you?) . if youre old enough to write... youre old enough to take when I dish out.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: write on a prolife blog called We Can't Ignore (search it,
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I do not read probirth propaganda.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 You haven't even looked at it. You don't really know what it is.
AubryRoyan 22 hours ago
@Sueezee2 Another woman I know personally had 3 abortions and told no one until she became a Christian, and only then her husband, and only about one. She was convicted to tell about all three, but only after going through a program with a Pregnancy Resource Center that was designed to help women overcome their grief and guilt.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan
Your personal anecdotes don't really matter. What does matter is women have a right to decide if and when to give birth. Legalized abortion is a good thing. Those centers that guilt trip women for abortions should be burned down...
geezusispan 2 days ago
@geezusispan I volunteer at a center that "guilt trips" women. I am also very close to many of the "guilt tripped" women who say it's the best thing that ever happened to them. Many centers do misuse (and that's a light word for it) women. And unfortunately, those centers get the most media. But believe me when I tell you that there are so many good CPC's who's main goal is to help women make the best choice for their life.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
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@AubryRoyan says: I volunteer at a center that "guilt trips" women.But believe me when I tell you that there are so many good CPC's who's main goal is to help women make the best choice for their life.
~~~~~~~~~ YOU, a probirther, volunteer in a center that promotes choices?? Who do you think youre talking to? Dumbasses?? LOL..Bye sweetie, I dont like deceitful people
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@geezusispan Obviously, they give the girls the numerous reasons why abortion is not the best option, but they will also help them choose between parenting and adoption, and give them the tools for both. It's a long-term relationship, the consultant keeps in touch with the client for at least a year. That is completely different from abortion clinics where the client gets an abortion and goes, many times never to be seen again.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan Abortion clinics are for women who have decided already to have an abortion. They are there for the procedure.
One year of "conciliation" isn't much help in raising a child to the age of 18.
geezusispan 2 days ago
@geezusispan Do marriage counselors counsel a marriage for 50 years? No, they give it a foundation to thrive on. Same thing with consultants. And after a year, most parents are really glad that they didn't abort.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan Women don't go to abortion clinics for counseling. They go there to have their pregnancy terminated.
geezusispan 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan
There are approx 40 million abortions every year, you know of 4 where the women felt remorse. Remorse is common, some people have remorse about not going to college or buying shoes that were too expensive. Abortion can be the best decision a woman ever made. It has to be judged a case by case.
geezusispan 2 days ago
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@AubryRoyan says: the client gets an abortion and goes, many times never to be seen again.
~~~~~~~~~ No one gets counceling after a face lift, either. So, whats your point?
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: Another woman I know personally had 3 abortions
~~~~~~~~~~ You know 3 women that told no one?????? hahahaha, and THAT means WHAT to you? Eagerly awaiting your intelligent response ( and laughing as I do)
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 I admit, I don't have a stat. But the thing is, you have given me nothing. Give me a stat and back it up with a website that someone more important than yourself trusts, and I'll believe you. The thing about the stats, though, is that if it's true that most women don't want to tell anyone about their abortion, if they are interviewed and asked if they have had an abortion, they will say no. And if they say yes, who wants to tell a guy on the phone that you struggle emotionally?
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
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@AubryRoyan says: you have given me nothing.
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I have given YOU nothing?? Why dont yOU respond to MY question. YOU SAID: How many women have told absolutely no one about their abortion because they can't handle it"?
~~~~~~~~~~~ I replied: prove thats why they didnt tell...
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 And why would that not be the reason? Do people keep a normal surgery hidden from the world? No, it's not something to be embarrassed about. Why are there so many women who can't talk about abortion (I know WAY more than three)? It makes total sense that it would be because they had one.... Now answer my question.
AubryRoyan 22 hours ago
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@AubryRoyan says: but only after going through a program with a Pregnancy Resource Center that was designed to help women overcome their grief and guilt.
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LOl, if weak, whimpy women who aborted cant talk abuot it, then they are just the nutcases that can be lead around by the nose of the employees of a "preg resource center". You know , the ones who have NO self esteem or critical thinking skills. I wonder why the dumbasses aborted in the fisrt place. ?? LOLOL
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 Your comments are insensitive and reflect the standard script of prochoicers. Do you ever research or think for yourself? Or do you actually have any personal experience to come from? I have real proof. Not skewed statistics. I personally know women (and know of many, many others) who fit my description. Prove to me that you know more women than I do that fit your description.
AubryRoyan 2 days ago
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@AubryRoyan says:do you actually have any personal experience to come from?
~~~~~~~~~ Ah, poor Aubry, dosent have anything to fight back with so he attempts a guilt trip??Sweetie, dont you know you cant make strong, intelligent, self assured women feel guilty about ANY well thought out decision they make? To get the results your dying for, you have to say that to weak, whimpy prolifers, w/ no self assuredness & no decision making skills. They will boohoo all day, you'll LOVE it.
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@AubryRoyan says: Prove to me that you know more women than I do that fit your description.
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WHAT?????? LMFAO...it was a STATISTIC, you dumbass...it was NOT the consensus of a few people that I know..hahahahah, are you kidding me??? You cant get much dumber than that honey!
Sueezee2 2 days ago
@Sueezee2 Okay, give me the stat. And tell me where you got it.
AubryRoyan 22 hours ago
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@AubryRoyan says: Okay, give me the stat.
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prove me wrong.
Sueezee2 22 hours ago
@AubryRoyan Hey, im done with you. Your childish ideas insult my intelligence...and youre a bore.
Sueezee2 22 hours ago
@Sueezee2 Wow, I was wondering when you'd give up. You sure it's not JUST because you think I'm uneducated, but also that you couldn't give me anything to back up your points? Am I a bore because I was going to make you actually WORK??? If you think you're so educated, actually be educated and back up your points. Then maybe people will actually listen to you...Oh, and it helps if you don't call people dumbasses...fyi.
AubryRoyan 21 hours ago
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Sueezee2 3 days ago