Stephen Hawking: Physics Leaves No Place for God

[gsxxxrk5]

we cannot predict how electricity will behave in certain circumstances and yet we believe we know exactly how the universe/ world was made.....I don't get it

[RomulanMastermind]

this guy is a nobody... thinking he knows everything

[RomulanMastermind]

@50in2020

are you sure about that, fucktards

[phasetr]

@50in2020 ... which means Man created God so he should be the God instead.

[99645md]

perhaps its more simple than we think. We talk about so many particles and elements that revolve around a "force" no one has denied that this force exist. What exactly is that FORCE that exists in all that exists?

[Txsray]

God has decided that there is no need for Stephen Hawking in the universe.

We'll see who survives.

[Sketch9816]

@Txsray God promised the end of all bad people, Odin promised the end of all frost giants. I don't see many frost giants walking around today.

[TrainingStream]

@Txsray You prob. cant even understand Hawkings writing's.

[Chidanandaji]

The biggest fairy tale is the Washington, pro-war, dribble being aired daily by televised newscasts. I got so tired of the Washington, pro-war, propaganda and daily newscasts which the television viewer completely believes. My blog is titled:  "Fabricating The Enemy, 9/11, and Rewritten History - Bill Woollam" Just Google search that. I refuse to partake of "the insanity of denial" which permeates the North American populace today.

[cleveland23jones]

I'm pretty sure god had a lot to do wit the universe... science should be apart of a religion in my opinion, im not really sure wat religion tho

[sherkhan17]

Did it ever occur to any of these 'geniuses' that God is the ultimate scientist ? No God, no creation, no human species

[Rabsputin]

@sherkhan17 it's funny this says your comment was posted 6 days ago.

you have zero evidence for god or that ANYTHING has ever been created. the laws of nature dictate that everything (all particles and photons in every part of the spectrum) in the universe is energy and energy can be neither created or destroyed, only transformed.

[xeroaxlvx]

This is just a tad hard to take "Mr.Butterworth" seriously because I want to chuckle each time he says his name.

[IloveJesusYesId0]

You can never "validate" Everything.

[Rabsputin]

@IloveJesusYesId0 given that the universe is finite i don't think it's impossible to validate everything, it's just extraordinarily unlikely that it'll ever happen.

[IloveJesusYesId0]

G<-black hole o<-singularity d <-tangent

[bellyzbad]

cant gob be a particle

[gooslimm]

How is it possible that we can explain that God doesn't exist theoretically but can't explain our own origins of the human race. Like where we came from? What is our purpose on Earth? Hell, we don't even know the true depths of our own mind and consciousness. We wager wars against eachother, we corrput minds, we create poverty but aside from all that we have time to question the existence of God.

[Rabsputin]

@gooslimm "How is it possible that we can explain that God doesn't exist theoretically but can't explain our own origins of the human race. Like where we came from?"

the theory* of evolution explains where we as a species came from.

"What is our purpose on Earth?"

why do we have to have a purpose? nobody has been able to answer this question for me yet.

* this does not mean it's a hunch, anybody claiming this is ignorant and lacks linguistic understanding or is attempting to discredit.

[11abraxas11]

Yes, science has shown we don't need a very modern and rather unsophisticated notion of god which medieval thinkers would have considered a mere idol. Read Karen Armstrong's "The Case For God" and no it is not a case for the god modern atheists don't believe in. I don't believe in him either. It is unfortunate that the long human experience of the great depths of consciousness might be dismissed along with the modern fundamentalist god.

[inspirediam]

It is all relative as to how one defines the concept of God.

[Nuwaupu999]

I know the world religions are all man made ..BUT we know everthing is a cause and effect..so my logical question would be what caused the "Big Bang" to be a big bang ??? if it ever was one hmmm

[GLICKTON]

@Nuwaupu999 Read up M theory it explains this

[Nuwaupu999]

@GLICKTON Thanks a lot will do ~, everything is a cause and effect I just want to know what caused the Big Bang .

[samuelstrafford]

@Nuwaupu999

'To know' implies that your belief is justifiable, our experience leads us to believe that everything is a cause and effect, however this is only an inductive inference, i.e. we only have finite experience.

In an infinite causal sequence a prime causer is unnecessary because 'a beginning' negates the whole concept of infinity.

Simply put, there is absolutely no reason to expect the existence of a prime causer which is itself un-caused.

[Rabsputin]

@Nuwaupu999 "what caused the "Big Bang" to be a big bang ?"

when we find the answer to this it'll be a scientific discovery, just as the big bang itself was. it will not be revealed to us unless we meet extraterrestrial life who themselves have already discovered the answer and can communicate it to us in a way we will understand, and even then it'll have been a scientific discovery when THEY discovered it.

[Tinsletooth]

why is there a war between the two?

[stonerj0e]

actually, jesus said "to those without faith, eat drink and be merry !"

God will NEVER forsake you . God forgives as far as the east is from the west .

[rds33b]

A scientist said to God, "God, we don't need you anymore. Science has finally figured out a way to create life out of nothing - in other words, we can now do what you did in the beginning."

God: Is that so? Explain.

Scientist: We can take dirt and form it into the likeness of you and breathe life into it, thus creating man."

God: show Me."

So the scientist bends down to the earth and starts to mold the soil into the shape of a man. "No, no, no..." interrupts God,

 "Get your own dirt."

[jda379]

@rds33b A real scientist doesn't have time to have arguments with imaginary friends. Only children and demented adults do so.

[KCrenshaw09]

All of your squabbling is meaningless. Fire will not extinguish fire. So shutup and go plant a tree. There's some human advancement for you.

[JesusSavesAtCitibank]

@billkropp So sorrry you chose to go through life in fear of an ancient hoax and fraud, Bill, but it's all make-believe. At age 47 it's about time to wake up and grow up.

[jda379]

@billkropp "GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED" I strongly disagree. I mock your god the same as I mock Zeus, Allah and Buddha. All you can do about that is threaten me with hell. All of the aforementioned are as fake as the tooth fairy. You delusional people are like flies buzzing around my ear. Typing in caps makes you even more vulnerable to being mocked.

[rds33b]

@jda379

Philippians 2:9-11 (New International Version) 9Therefore God exalted him to the highest place and gave him the name that is above every name, 10that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

-----that means you, too.

[jda379]

@rds33b Do those words give you comfort? Perhaps they give you a sense of entitlement over disbelievers like myself. Tell me, in your opinion, how will Christians (or your "God") force "every tongue" to confess Jesus as savior of mankind? Do you believe that part of the so-called "Judgment Day" God forces everyone to literally kneel down before Jesus? Just think about this concept for one moment. What do you think is accomplished by such claims? --- To strike fear in people like myself?

[frenchfrys12]

@rds33b Bow to what? My imagination?

[jda379]

@billkropp Get this through you head. Mankind created these gods, they did not create us. It is the simplest of all fallacies. Mankind does not need these imaginary beings to make sense of life anymore. For the last few hundred years we have had science to answer the important questions. The rest we assign to our imagination.

[RussMaxable]

@billkropp you've been brain washed.

[GLICKTON]

@billkropp GROW UP

[MacabreManifesto]

@billkropp What makes the Bible a basis in reality, not just religion? BTW answering in all capital letters doesn't validate your answer.

[christickles]

@billkropp "...BUT HE CANNOT MAKE YOU LOVE HIM..." Oh? He can't? Pretty pathetic for a supreme being.

[Rabsputin]

@billkropp your god has been mocked. your god is being mocked. your god will be mocked again.

stupid beliefs based in woo-woo are stupid and ignorant.

[allgoo19]

One of these days the truth will come out.

Religion is a mental disease!!

[allTRIPLE1]

MAN CREATED a GOD to worship in Many Images and Many RELIGIONS.

[JesusSavesAtCitibank]

@billkropp So do you actually believe that literally -- that your god has a head, face, arms, legs, skin, genitalia, etc.?

[TodaysThought]

@JesusSavesAtCitibank - Doesn't it just create confusion to further fragment the image of god into these body parts? How many parts or fragments make up an image? What if these parts don't really exist but are an illusion and created by our perception (worldview). The part is fundamental to the whole. So if GOD is order that the entire universe is in GOD image.

[JesusSavesAtCitibank]

@TodaysThought Well that's wholly incoherent. I know what the image of a human being (ie, "man") looks like. Now if we're told that we were made "in God's image", it's only logical and reasonable to ask what the believer of this literally thinks God's image to be. You only gave me some insane cockamamie tripe in that now the entire universe is in God's image. That's nothing but white noise.

I want to know what billkropp thinks about the statement which he posted.

[TodaysThought]

@JesusSavesAtCitibank - Well, in part, i was referring to Bohm's implicate order (/watch?v=pf5h7F8eU2M).

But lets look at is this way. What is your image of man? Is it an abstraction?

[JesusSavesAtCitibank]

@billkropp And just how is that gibberish suppose to describe the image of man?

You left me even crazier nonsense than TodaysThought. It truly amazes me how you cultists can even get by in the real world on a daily basis when a portion of your brain has been so fried on this ancient fantasy stuff that you cannot even recognize the completely incomprehensible psychobabble you spew. Anyway, your comment is a fine example of the terrible confusion that comes from the mind disorder of religion.

[bettydaw1970]

@JesusSavesAtCitibank everyday life isnt that complex.. you can get by just perfectly with a headful of wrong concepts :)

[luvdomus]

@billkropp Turn off your caps lock, you're not shouting on the street corner now.

[trdi]

@billkropp This makes me feel so superior. Just knowing there so many people out there who are completely retarded and I have beaten them in evolution. The evolution step before advanced human of 21st century are people like billkropp. Thanks, mate! And don't anyone convince you not to write in CAPITAL font, as this just proves how deep inside you don't really believe what you say, so you must give it fake credibility by CAPITALISING it.

[jda379]

@billkropp Continue to rant rhetoric from your ancient storybook. The people that you intend to convert do not fear those words. We look at you with pity as you flop mindlessly about in your demented perception of this world. Does your blind faith make you feel powerful over the rest of us?

[OccamsView]

The FACT is there's no god - where religious theorists choose to take it from there is guided entirely by their imagination and personal biases.

[TodaysThought]

@50in2020 - Who or what made man?

[BubbleGumNipples]

@TodaysThought

I made man. Prove me wrong.

[TodaysThought]

@BubbleGumNipples - Than who made you?

[mowingthefrontlawn]

There will always be room for God, because science only covers what it testable. Unfortunately, there are many questions science cannot even come close to answering and the existence of God is one of them.

[1987bugsy]

go to google images and search ''fibonacci in nature''

theres your clue that there is a designer, so many things in nature and space follow the Fibonacci Sequence

[jesuslessed]

You have a bunch of theists in a frenzy reacting to Mr. Hawkings theory about the realization that nature doesn't require a God. But of course they're in a frenzy, it would mean they (clergy) would all have to find real jobs!

[ebillyboi]

@50in2020

the light is spirit and before man.

just before you die

.you will ask

[ebillyboi]

the stupidity of man is to walk into death..........

seek the light for it is the only answer.............and the brilliance of science cannot equal...........for it is the spirit ..........within you

[truckcompany]

its such a cheap way to view a god. hes basically saying that because scientists cant know what happen before the big bang. that leaves room for god. How cheap is that! how cheap is that!

[AThagoras]

I can't stand to listen to Alister McGrath. He waffles on and on without actually saying anything.

[truckcompany]

@AThagoras

thinking about your comment. And yes you are totally right! I cant actually remember what he said after watching that video.

[ShadowArtist]

What if "God" is physics? The physics & quantum physics of the cosmos?

[BubbleGumNipples]

@ShadowArtist

Ok, say "god" is maths or physics. I know exactly what you mean... but so what, its just an arbitrarily label.

And that definition is incompatible with every religion I know of, so by using the label "god", you'd only confuse people.

I have no reason to think that a mathematical equations are also sentient and capable of telepathically telling people what they can and cant do with their genitals :P

[ShadowArtist]

@BubbleGumNipples I never said anything about sentience or telepathy. "God" possible being the physics (the natural forces and processes governing the Universe and all forms of matter and energy within it) is not incompatible with Taoism, Buddhism, Wicca, pantheism. There are many great books that explore the concept. BTW I'm not refering to "God" as a transendent anthropomorphized being talking to people or any of the monotheistic judeo-abramic conceptualizations of "God".

[BubbleGumNipples]

@ShadowArtist

Oops, your right sorry, I was referring to the concept of god in polytheistic/monotheistic or deistic religions.

Spinozas god or pantheism, While I don't disagree, I just don't see any point in trying to build a religion around it. Its like realizing that gravity is a governing force, and making it into a religion. Of course when people do, they'll usually attach a ton of mythology and other supernatural claims. Such as in Hinduism/ Taoism etc.

[ShadowArtist]

@BubbleGumNipples In my view a spiritual philosophy or outlook need not be religious per se. Mythology is often alegorical, where symbolism is often involved and not meant to be taken literally. The stories are expressions of different ideas and concepts, ethical and moral considerations (sometimes obsolete in current times), but often these symbols and alegories are mis-interpreted or twisted by those that want to use the mythological and the dogma to support their own hated and bigotry.

[ShadowArtist]

@BubbleGumNipples What's the "point" of the? Well, what's the point of alot of stories? To maybe learn something from it, or to inspire others, maybe find threads of wisdom. A spiritual activity can be a psychological excersises can facilitate the human need to feel a sense of "connection" to "something" greater than themselves. I see nothing wrong with that as long as a person's system of beliefs is not imposed or brow-beaten upon another or used as a reason to hurt others or themselves.

[BubbleGumNipples]

@ShadowArtist

Not "whats the point of stories" I understand the point of stories.

Whats the point referring to physics as "God"

All it does is confuse people and suggest anthropomorphism. Physics doesn't need allegorical stories, symbolism or mythology to explain it. Physics certainly doesn't suggest any kind of moral code. And you yourself pointed out that people will misinterpret those stories and twist them around.

But yes I agree with you that people are free to believe it if they choose.

[ShadowArtist]

@BubbleGumNipples when I say *what if* "god" is physics. I'm refering to "god" as a pantheistic sort of relative symbolic descriptor for all the natural physics and quantum physics processes of the universe. It's viewing that as a metaphor for physics, not as a anthropomorohization of anything. I for one see nothing wrong with such a pantheistic viewpoint. I see nothing wrong with spiritually respecting the inherent power intrinsic to nature, the universe that makes it all function.

[BubbleGumNipples]

@ShadowArtist

Fair enough.I think we both agree then.

Only that I personally don't use that redefinition of god because I feel it runs the risk of unnecessarily confusing people.

I'm similarly cautious of the word spiritual.

[allgoo19]

@ShadowArtist

"What if "God" is physics?.."

They can't be the same.

Physics can be corrected as the new evidences are discovered and it has to make an explantion when the contradictory evidence show.

Religion, you give blind belief no matter what evidence exists. Contradictory evidences can be left alone by pretending they don't exist.

Science doesn't have will of its own nor moral like religions do.

[ShadowArtist]

@allgoo19 when I say *what if* "god" is physics. I'm refering to "god" as a pantheistic sort of relative symbolic descriptor for all the natural physics and quantum physics processes of the universe. It's viewing that as a metaphor for physics, not as a anthropomorohization of anything. I for one see nothing wrong with such a pantheistic viewpoint. I see nothing wrong with spiritually respecting the inherent power intrinsic to nature/the universe that makes it all function.

[allgoo19]

@ShadowArtist

"when I say *what if* "god.."

Please make your point without using those big words. If you really understand the subject, you should be able to. Otherwise, you are one of those peple just copy and paste from elsewhere.

By the way, quatum physics is a part of physics. If you want to make any distinction, it should be theory of relativity vs. quantum mechanics and both are part of the physics.

[ShadowArtist]

@allgoo19 LMAO. Wow.

[allgoo19]

@ShadowArtist

"LMAO. Wow.."

That doesn't add anything to the argument.

It should be followed by "because".

No answer?

[ShadowArtist]

@allgoo19 I'm not going to bother. Go insult someone that cares.

[allgoo19]

@ShadowArtist

"LMAO. Wow.."

There are a few ways to avoid real argument without appearing dumb.

One is to say, "I understand it but hard to explain."

Another is to explain something by using words people rarely use, so that it makes the person you are talking to feel inferior, so he won't respond. When someone else asks, "But what does that mean?", you have no answer. You just keep explaning using the same words over and over because you have no real understanding of it.

True?

[ShadowArtist]

@allgoo19 I'm not going to bother to argue with you because you insult me by saying I used to many "big words". I reccommend that you read "The Tao of Physics". Have a nice day. Bye.

[metrx330]

which god are they talking about?

[TodaysThought]

Yea, what do you expect, he's confined to a chair. We must be sympathetic. You have to admit his spirit. String theory is a bunch of crap

[frenchfrys12]

@TodaysThought How so? Your "spirit" is a bunch of neurological pulses. String theory makes much more sense than the god bullshit.

[Turbine68]

Professor Butterworth

[thorspinky]

Man created gods. science is not needed to prove or disprove that, only psychology.

The question that needs to be asked is why man felt the need to create such an idea as a "god". Gods don't exist and never have.

[EC1984VA]

What we need is to never deny the fact that a creator can't be disproved, and therefore the religious should never be persecuted for their beliefs.

I'm an agnostic libertarian, and I say it's important that people are allowed to practice whatever religion they want, so long as their beliefs don't interfere with how others choose to live.

Hawking says no God is needed, and he may be right, but if people feel he's needed, then that's all the NEED that you need lol.

[northernvoxmedia]

@EC1984VA No. He said there is no need for God to explain existence. Nobody is saying that you can't if you don't want to. But this scientific theory, if true, is a strong argument againt the argument of Creation. Nobody's persecuting religion. There's a difference between persecution, and disproving.

[TheCaptainLulz]

of corse that theologian (read nonce) will say theres still room for god, his job security depends on it.

[Mahoivlich]

Macgrath is pampas as they come.

[machogun]

wow this is the kind of stuff they r lerning in europe on the NEWZ?!?!?!? WHAT R-TARDS.

EARTH TO EUROPE!!!! MICHAEL JACKSON JUST DIED!!!!

[TheCaptainLulz]

@machogun I sense sarcasm. I cant watch amarican newz (read infotainment), and I live in Canada.

[northernvoxmedia]

@machogun LOL

[HURUHRA]

Once again the arrogance of religion shines through. I would love to see any of those denying the ever increasing evidence of a scientific explanation for the existence of the universe admit that their adopted default position is so weak. Its only by the indulgence of sycophantic governments that they can get away with suggesting that if science cant prove otherwise, then magic man must have done it. How the almighty power of organised religion has developed from that lie.

[gary031183]

Oh GOD!!! McGrath is a turd! What a loser. The man at the end of the clip before it introduced McGrath said that "there is still space for a leap of faith" = AGNOSTICISM!!! Not Christianity. I find it to be intellectually dishonest to have McGrath on the show when his view has already been surpassed and scknowledged by the guy in the clip. lol.

They act as if they would have been unfair if they only had scientists on. Science is the only unbiased opinion anyway! GOODNESS! lol.

[revjimbob]

Who the fuck thought that showing a picture of Hawking with a boxing glove on a lever ( 2:48 ) was a good thing?

[DeletedDelusion]

Lots of room for a god = Jesus by default... ;)

[gary031183]

@DeletedDelusion lol. you r 2 funny. lol

[RyuDarragh]

@DeletedDelusion: That's the thinking of Believers and Creatards everywhere. Just because proposition A is false does not make all of the other propositions from B to Zed false. And just because a proporision A is false does NOT make ANY other proposition TRUE! This obvious fact is either unknown to them, or ignored like any other fact.

[KillaFundie44]

@DeletedDelusion

that my friend is god of the gaps are rather argument of ignorance. Congrats at failing at logic.

[bobster451]

The question is posed, "Can they prove it?"

I find it unusual that this same level applied to science by believers of god(s) is never asked when dealing with their belief of a deity or deities.

The science has much more proof than anything the religious can provide.

Terms like "faith" are used to justify belief yet they seem unable to muster up belief even when the evidence is so overwhelming, like with evolution.

Fortunately in the world of science god(s) don't matter.

[samfisherkiller]

I love science