Bf 109 G-2 Black 6

[kriegmeister3000]

Awesome :)

[MrJp990]

@1969captainron There aint that many ME-109's still in existence, but yes the ME-109 series of aircraft would do very well.

[skeligandrew]

Should of pulled out the crank and put allison in a wheelchair with it.

Im 14 and have no history in aviation but these machines are beautiful,I respect them alot and the pilots who flew them back in WW1 and 2.

Unfortunately in my mind,anything without a propeller is an ugly plane :3

[MrJp990]

@skeligandrew The only good jet engine aircraft in my opinion were the Messerschmidt ME262 and the Arado AR234... Just like you, I enjoy seeing these wonderful aircraft flying... Like today I just seen 3 B-17's, 1 P-51B and 2 F4-U corsairs

[skeligandrew]

@MrJp990 Ah, I want to go to Duxford Flying legends on 9th of July but I'd have to get to England some how.

I saw an acrobatic display in pitts special biplanes , I'm hooked ;o

[MrJp990]

@skeligandrew i didnt see them at duxford dude... i saw the planes fly over my house here in uniontown, pennsylvannia

[MrJp990]

whats up with the crank?

[FiveCentsPlease]

@MrJp990

Direct drive starters were heavy, so inertial flywheel start was common on both German and some Allied engines. (It could also be used for emergency backup starting.) The crank energizes a flywheel and a starter gear engages the engine. The Bosch starters on the German engines could be turned by hand (seen here) or electrically with external power.

[MrJp990]

@FiveCentsPlease were they common on the bf-109 e series and the g-6?

[FiveCentsPlease]

@MrJp990

The Bosch starters were used on the DB 601 and 605 motors. They were also used on the Jumo engines.

[BLACKSHACK16]

I,m lucky enough to have some great photo,s of her in primer when she made her first flight before having her paint scheme applied. With hindsight it might have been better to have got a pilot from the Battle of Britain Memorial Flight to fly her. i,m not an expert in flying but maybe she would have flown for a few more years with a more familiar pilot, who knows. Anyway its great to have those memories.

[BLACKSHACK16]

Firstly i must apologize for using capitals earlier on here, i,d just like to say that although its heartbreaking to see all the hard work destroyed on Black -6 i feel privilaged to have been at R.A.F. Benson when the last 3 years work was completed to bring her back to airworthiness. I was lucky enough to meet Russ Snadden many times while i was at Benson. I was a painter & finisher working in the same hanger where Black 6 was worked on and sprayed many parts in primer as and when required.

[Xenophoebus]

Does it it crash while landing?

[planejunky]

Charlie Brown without his trademark moustache!

[kirkconway]

These 109's were really unweildy on takeoff and landing,

really nervous;

[TheFlyingPineapple]

Shame it can't fly anymore.............

[zzzak666]

I'm impressed that you can start one up by hand,just wind up the spring and you have a starter and with magnetos there would be no need for any batteries as the generator would power lights and instruments,I don't know if this is common,just never seen it before.

[FiveCentsPlease]

@zzzak666

It's an inertial flywheel starter and it was used on some planes from Allies and Axis. Spin up a flywheel (by hand or electrically) and engage the engine. It saves weight since starters with enough power to turn big engines were very heavy during that time.

[MrJp990]

@FiveCentsPlease What allied planes used the inertial flywheel starter? I'm just asking because you said that Axis and Allied panes used them.

[deckarudo]

Une merveille ! Merci pour cette vidéo !

[mxkameraman]

@deckarudo :

Merci, bien qu'elle soit de piètre qualité, cela reste un document exceptionel. L'émission de Bernard Chabert nous montrait de bien belles choses...

[wlh1usa]

far out.........

[billyconnearly]

Schwarz Sechs was restored to it's original condition by a devoted team led by Russ Snadden. Unfortunately it was allowed to be flown by AVM John Allison (RAF) who's bottle went when the 109 vented some coolant - he panicked, force landed and inverted the 109 at Duxford! Useless twat!

[edj66]

@billyconnearly Seems you have an axe to grind with two unreasonable comments in 2 months to no one in particular. Were you in the plane? Are you some sort of expert? Personally involved? If you are then fine..although the language is unnecessary. If not, then your comments aren't really necessary are they.

[billyconnearly]

@edj66 If you think my comments are unreasonable read Russ Snadden's book! Also what "language" are you referring to?

[henrihilan]

Exellent comment ils font tourner les magnétos à la main. V8 power les gars!

C'était l'injection directe déjà?!!

[JamesEndsor]

The flickering kinda adds to the viewing experience!

[billyconnearly]

Sir John Allison was responsible for the forced landing of Black 6. The aircraft had vented some coolant (as it was designed to do) and Sir John panicked and landed the ME too fast - it leapt the M11and turned upside down in a field on the other side! The hood - which he had criticised, saved his miserable neck! It had taken 20 years of painstaking, dedicated work to restore it to flying condition and Sir John said "I am the last member of the RAF to bring down a Messerschmitt" what a twat!!

[pete2778]

Allison is a twat indeed. They shouldn't have used the starter handle to start the aircraft, they should have bludgeoned Allison to death with it. Doesn't he feel the tiniest shred of emabarrassment for wrecking the aircraft, with all of his hours in the air and all of his 'experience' does he really think that glibly joking about writing off over a decade of work by talented restorers makes him cool? Allison, men with far fewer hours did a better job than you and they were being shot at. TWAT!

[eoslensman]

@billyconnearly

Have you read the book about the restoration ?. A riveting read. The plane was better than new and I agree with the comments about the TW@T who killed it.

[billyconnearly]

@eoslensman I have indeed read the book - Russ Snaddon must have been a pain to work with but he did a real restoration! I think he must be borderline OCD!

[cloudbounce]

@billyconnearly. At least Sir John doesn't have to impersonate others to make a living. If you know the man, then i think you will know that this quote is an urban myth. When you have been in the cockpit of a ME109, with coolant venting, with a hunting prop and having been told that you are trailing smoke, then let's see how you fair.

[Jaliya48]

Gorgeous bird, a shame it is not flying anymore!

I must get the 1/72 version for my lil' air force...!

[JosephHallenbeck]

Yeah one of the best sights of the Me 109 i through Gyro MkII gunsight of a Spitfire :oD

But that's enough of joking.

Yeah That's Me 109 with DB 605A engine. The Spanish Me109 has Merlins and quite different shape of nose.

[160Sport]

You could try the Haynes Manual for the Bf109 - it has quite a good section on the engine with pictures of it dismantled and quite detailed accounts of starting and flying Black 6, which is the focus of the manual. Hope this helps!!

[Critter145]

The moment the engine turns over is one of my favorite sounds in the whole world.

[Brainiac83]

Thats not an original.

[mxkameraman]

Well, let me tell you that's an ORIGINAL. This plane was founded by the British RAF in North Africa in 1942 after it was abandoned by the germans.

[Jaliya48]

@mxkameraman It's a shame it isn't flying anymore, though.

[fokjock]

How more wrong could you be?-this aircraft was THE most original Me109 flying.

[waghorn41]

@Brainiac83

As original as from the factory. This was an F4 converted during production to G2 Tropical. We sourced genuine parts including basic nuts and bolts from all over the world. The first restoration took 19 years by small groups working in their own time without any official funding. Facilities were given grudgingly and were very basic; a corner in a dark unlit blister hanger.The engine, the original, when stripped down was estimated to have had only 7 hours(approx) use.

[MissyMicole23]

@Brainiac83 ITS THE REAL DEAL .As for aviation history your not qualified to comment.

[BLACKSHACK16]

@Brainiac83 SHE IS ORIGINAL, I WAS LUCKY ENOUGH TO WORK WITH THE GUYS WHO RESTORED HER AT RAF BENSON IN 1990 91

[pete2778]

@Brainiac83, Yes it is, look it up before you comment next time.

[spencnaz]

I saw this plane at Hendon, amazing how small it really is. No way I'd be able to fit in the cockpit as tall as I am.

[Xenophoebus]

Engine really in good condition

[apatheticempathy]

what a waste of a restored plane !

that last pilot should be shot !

[bogomir67]

Consider that it is a V12 engine driving an over 10ft prop via a gear.

After over 50years, this engine starts from a hand cranked flywheel!

Also, this is a great feature for field operations. Remember, most aflds back then where makeshift camps on some more or less straight meadows. You always find somebody to crank, but when your starter car breaks down - you are in trouble.

[Gasthauz]

bogomir;

glad to see your comment. I have posted questions on a couple of Bf109 films about the start procedure but no one has replied. So it actually is a hand cranked fly wheel? And then a clutch released by the pilot to engage the crank shaft? Any tips on where I could read more about this?

Thanks in advance!

[bogomir67]

Sorry I can't point you to a specific source on this engine.

The disengaged flywheel method was used in a number of airplanes back then. Especially with large engines, it was the only way to apply enough torque to get the cycle in the engine started. Some larger planes used an electric motor to bring the flywheel up tp rpm. Listen to a DC-3 or a Catalina start up. You can hear the motor/flywheel gear-noise quite obviously, just before the clutch was released an the first ignitions take place.

[FiveCentsPlease]

Reproductions of many of the original German engine manuals can be found or purchased with a little looking on the internet. There are also original documents of Allied evaluations from captured examples. I have one document on the BMW-801 and it's an interesting but technical read.

[Wolflarg]

My grandfather was in a luftwaffe unit as well bogomir67 he was in JG/52 he is still alive today in germany he i get to go there every year I also get to see his plane in the german war museum he is also one othe the aces of germany.

[barbenH]

i am a great fan of Jagdgeschwader 52 , home to the top three scoring Experten of the Luftwaffe, Erich Hartmann, Gerhard Barkhorn and Günther Rall.was based mainly on the Southern, Ukrainian and Central fronts in Soviet Russia from 19411944.10,000 aircraft shot down by 2 September 1944 .i am surprised a movie has not been made about them. what is your fathers name? if i may ask.you must be proud.

[barbenH]

i mean grandfather.... :o)

[9evilnine9]

Bad News if you are trying to scramble to the sky during an air raid, I saw a FW190 take several minutes to start,although they may not have been quite so temperamental back then when they were being flown regularly.

These restored show planes do quite a lot of sitting I suppose while during the war they probably enjoyed constant maintenance.

[richand26mhz]

it in the RAF Musuem Hendon

[apatheticempathy]

where and what happened to this plane after its accident ?

Is it scrapped ?

[frazz109]

Luftwaffe fighters need a WIND UP STARTER,,,,us &uk fighters can start with a generator,,,,,,,

[TauLord1218]

did they have to do that with all messerschmitt engines to get them started?

[bogomir67]

this is the original engine, right? Not a converted Merlin?

[mxkameraman]

Right, this is a Daimler-Benz. The plane is an original found in north africa during the WWII, it's not a Buchon from Spain with a Merlin engine.

[bogomir67]

There are only 2 originals flying in Germany today (afaik). The engine is a mother. It is inverted, meaning the crankshaft is on top and the cylinder heads are on the bottom. Since the propeller runs on an extra shaft connected to the motor with a gear, they could mount the main cannon through the prop nosecone. Incredioble that such a huge engine should start from a ditty flywheel doing 1rpm.

My grandfather was in the JG3, so I have a personal interest in this type of airplane.

[gaff2006]

Well they were cranking at 60-70rpm once the flywheels inertial resistance was lower, and the flywheel itself was probably turning at thousands of rpms (crank is no doubt geared)

More than enough torque to turn it over.

TauLord1218's question was a good one, I'm not sure all 109 models needed the flywheel to be cranked manually. This is a mid war 109 so maybe they never introduced an electric motor to drive the flywheel.

[wlh1usa]

@bogomir67 the merlin was not inverted so the exhaust was close to the top of the engine cover, the dbwas inverted and the exhaust was much lower

[pommie784]

this aircraft would of still been flying if a pilot who said he knew how to fly it didnt blow the engine in mid flight

[FiveCentsPlease]

No, the original plan was for Black 6 to fly for a limited time and then go to the museum. As it happens, the accident happened on the last flight. And the pilot didn't "blow" the engine, although he wasn't very familiar with the aircraft.

[kward1234]

i love the sound of the engine

[ktc8308]

Can Black 6 fly again?

[pitrik]

Yes, it CAN fly, but was permanently grounded (rightly so) after flipping over on landing and crushing the rudder.

[erwintommy]

Fantastic video! beautiful aircraft!

[lemonite1]

there were no alternators back then, therfore they needed to initially ignite the plugs via magnesium cartridge. you had to either shot the cartridge directly into a chamber, or ignite it through centrifugal force.

[mxkameraman]

It's some kind of centrifugal starter...

[wlh1usa]

@mxkameraman that had to be fun to crank , probably got the arms in good shape

[kennethHaugan]

Hi .. Can somebody explain me have the starter works?

[109Mechanik]

A/C uses an inertia starter. The flywheel in the starter is wound up to 1 RPM by one or two ground crew using an anlasskurbel or starting handle, the starter dog is reaced by placing the Kurbel through a cutout on the starboard cowling just behind the fuel dilution cover. Once at 1 RPM the Mechanics jump clear and the Pilot engages the starter coupling to turn the engine over through use of the starter handle in the cockpit, it is linked via a cable to an arm on the starter.

[terryjohn]

cheers for info

tj

[MattyGK166]

Simple. Tactical flexibility. No starter cart or potentially dangerous cartidge system. Seems like a good idea. Were they tempremental at all? I'd hate to think they could be tricky to start like my old lawnmower....;-)

[pete2778]

@109Mechanik, whilst your answer is correct in the main, I suspect that they had to spin the flywheel up to a little more than one rpm to turn the engine over!

[109Mechanik]

@pete2778 Should read the handle is wound at 1 rpm, flywheel is obviously geared, Horrido!

[pete2778]

@109Mechanik, one revolution per minute? it looks to me to be more like 100rpm, a bit more than one revolution per second of the handle. Just an observation, not trying to flame you! ;)

[SenorSpode]

I read about the crash of the plane in Duxford via Warbirds International magazine. It's good to see Sir John Allison was not hurt and that the plane wasn't a total loss! The pictures were heartbreaking, however.

[109acepilot]

Ian mason died ?

[mxkameraman]

Right.....But it's a pleasure to see him again & again !

[legebakkenb]

One of the best vids. Sound,-and wonderful takes of flight. This warbird is one of my favourites. Thank you so very very much!

Best regards from Norway

[jerrymail]

I love the sound of the engine!

[waghorn41]

Just found this and it brings back a lot of memories, I was one of the team that restored black 6. Also ,in the film is the late Ian Mason winding the start handle from the ground - sadly missed by the team.

[mxkameraman]

Wahoo !

I am very proud because what you've done is incredible, so many years and hours to restore this warbird, all my respect !

Unfortunately, I never saw Black 6 before the crash, but I've got a DVD called " Me 109, One summer, two messerschmitts " with an Ian Mason's interview, a great video !

Congratulations to your team !

[lallymason]

Ian is my Grandad. I can't wait to get the DVD with his interview on it.

[lallymason]

It's great to see him in the footage. And hear him shouting as well! Miss you Grandad x

[propfan2k]

Good illustration of an inertial starter. Too bad about the format issue. Where is this video from? A tv documentary? Or did you shoot this yourself?

[mxkameraman]

You're right, it comes from French Tv, in the 90's there was an airplane show called "Pégase" on channel 3 but as you know, in France, we use the Secam tv standard, typically french !!! So as I had not the hardware to modify to Pal Standard, I decided to shoot the Tv Set with my mini DV camera, then it was easier to use on PC. This explains the poor quality !

[eggtoc]

Nice plane.

[skot66]

saw her at Hendon ...amazing plane she is..amazing museum!

[mxkameraman]

Right, Black 6 is displayed at Hendon at the Royal Air Force Museum... What's a pity this crash !

[OmereLeCrabe]

tres bonne vidéo, mais le fait de dire que ce magnifique avion s'est crashé est triste, voire cruel, car un tel appareil, après avoir survécu tant de temps, méritait-il pareil destin?