Having read Watchmen three times I expected Moore to have a more concise philosophy, although "Every individual should make his own pace in the universe" is on the lines of what I expected. I thought Watchmen was a critique of socialism/Christianity/"good" values and that people who truly understand humans (Rorshach and the Comedian) are probably too few, too vulnerable and too lonely to save our species by themselves
@Mr11MUSICMAN no i meant you like watchmen one of his graphic novels so i was confused as to why you said it thats all. yeah your right he is a bit creepy but a genius ; )
What a friggin' mental case. This weirdo's religious beliefs are as screwed up as his comic books. Worshiping a snake, for cryin' out loud! No wonder his writing is so sick and depraved. Moore and all his degenerate followers have done almost as much to ruin American comics as have all the continuity-obsessed fanboys who won't support anything that's not part of some corporate super-hero "universe" (but that's another story)!
@Jokaanan Sorry, but you're the one who got "troll'd" if you actually believe Alan Moore is a good writer who has ever contributed anything of any edifying value to the comics field. Corrupting and perverting the industry with his sick fantasies isn't exactly what I'd call a worthwhile contribution.
@Jokaanan Rorschach is the only real hero in that entire book. But then, he's basically just a rip-off of the characters created and written by Steve Ditko, a TRUE talent who actually understands the difference between right and wrong.
@jmoney507 I'm not "hating on him" for his so-called "religious beliefs" (such as they are); I'm pointing out the OBVIOUS to an incredible number of people who have been duped by all the HYPE into believing that this WEIRDO has ever written a comic that's not just a reflection of his demented personality and that he shouldn't be lionized for foisting such a pile of outright CRAP on the comics-reading public!
@jmoney507 An example of what? The crap he's written? Just about everything he's ever done! I'm glad I'm still entitled to my opinion. The way the world's going, though, I don't know how much longer that'll last!
@JohnnyS001 If you cannot cite an example for why you feel this way, then I have no reason to listen to you. The point of WATCHMEN, for example, was to parody the superhero genre, and to use spoofs of specific characters to make a point. A bit too liberal for my taste, and the plot had issues, but other than that, I see no problem. Again, making generalizations without backing them up leaves me to doubt your opinion's credibility.
@jmoney507 But I don't think the point of WATCHMEN was to parody the superhero genre. It was to make the superhero genre seem more "realistic" and to get it to be taken more seriously by, frankly, grafting on a bunch of concepts and ideas that have no business being part of the superhero genre--like turning heroes into rapists, for example. HEROES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD AND MORALLY UPRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM HEROES. What part of that do you not understand?
@JohnnyS001 I understand what heroes are supposed to be, and Alan Moore has said in several interviews that his point was to parody the genre. The idea of the heroes being rapists was supposed to represent how sometimes the men and women who are supposed to be our role models end up being less than ideal.
You do not have to agree with me. As I have said, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. All that I asked was for you to give examples for why you felt the way you did.
@JohnnyS001 On this count, you're just demonstrably wrong. Watchmen is an exploration of the difficulties and contradictions inherent in the superhero genre. It is neither an attack on it or an attempt to make it realistic. Written in the context of the Cold War, it examines (among other things) the dangerous consequences of a world view that draws a clear line between "hero" and "villain" without allowing for human complexity and frailty. If that doesn't interest you, that's fine.
@danco81 I'm sorry I ever got into this debate now, but I don't think I'm wrong. How about that ending, where millions of people are murdered as a way of advancing "the greater good"? Don't you think that's immoral? 'Cause pal, if that's the only answer, then the cure is worse than the disease. There aren't that many "difficulties" with the superhero genre, except for people like Alan Moore who have EXTREMELY ambiguous morals--so I stand by my comments.
@JohnnyS001 I think you're misreading Watchmen. It's not meant to be a happy ending. Of course the sacrifice is immoral. Moore would be the first to agree. Indeed, the last image of the book, Rorschach's journal about to be discovered, tells us that all these twisted efforts to bring peace have been in vain. Thinking Moore favours annihilation because it happens in Watchmen is on a level with thinking Melville believed one should embark on a doomed whale hunt.
@danco81 Would he agree? I'm not so sure. Superheroes are supposed to be HEROES, not rapists, mass murderers, etc. Alan Moore's work is essentially about VILLAINS, not heroes, and it disgusts me that he seems to be trying to make excuses for their deplorable behavior--and that people try to glorify the work of a man who has corrupted the genre by calling bad good and good bad. WATCHMEN is a negative, depressing story which has had an EXCEPTIONALLY bad influence on the entire comics industry.
@danco81 I'm not sure why your comment was removed. It shouldn't have been. I'll respond to your email by saying simply that I feel Moore and others like him have attempted to graft concepts onto SUPERHERO comics (not all genres of comics) that simply do not belong. And in fact I think very highly of the literary and artistic potential of comics--including superhero comics, whose purpose is to present a character who is a BETTER MODEL of humanity, not the same as or worse than most others.
@danco81 cont'd... For a more thorough explanation of my view on this, please see the Steve Ditko portion of Ken Viola's 1987 film, THE MASTERS OF COMIC BOOK ART. Ditko says it much more succinctly and eloquently than I ever could.
@conceitarturo TRUE heroes are to be RESPECTED, not destroyed. Why does he want to destroy superheroes? Perhaps it's because, like Frank Miller, he can't believe in anyone who is more honorable or uncorrupted than himself. Please see my answer to danco81, above. The rejection of morally upright characters is a rejection of morality itself--usually by people who resent them because they themselves are so immoral.... Wow, how do I ever get myself into these arguments?!
@JohnnyS001 He is simply against giving your responsability to someone else. He wants to destroy them because he sees them as a power fantasy of uniformed men, which's equivalent in real life would be military, a really bad thing to which surrender your responsability. Moore probably would agree with you about the success of his concepts in superhero comis though, he regrets that all that resulted was superheros became deranged, so he wants nothing to do with superheros anymore.
@conceitarturo Personally, I never viewed superheroes as being similar to military men, except perhaps during World War 2. Superheroes are more akin to policemen--except they do the things that policemen are unable to do because policemen are often "handcuffed" by due process or political corruption. And I don't think it's a question of surrendering your responsibility; it's a question of "letting JUSTICE be done, though the heavens fall"!
@JohnnyS001 Really? your arguement is he dislikes what I like so he must be a bad person?. He would agree that the way comic writers followed up on watchmen is a bad result, he dislike this barrage of deranged superheroes as much as you do. He doesnt even want to touch superheroes anymore. You obviously have not read all of his work, he does have moral characters he just doesnt think the superhero conceit is a good vehicle for him to tell stories.
@conceitarturo Well, I'm glad he would agree with me on SOME things! I never said he didn't have any moral characters, just not many. Rorschach is the only true hero in WATCHMEN. And I'm not sure what you mean by "the superhero conceit." How is helping others and fighting for truth and justice a conceit?
@JohnnyS001 His work may not appeal to you, but he has inspired me to be a more moral person. You ask how you get into these arguements? well, you go to a video about Alan Moore and suggest that he must be immoral because you dont like his work.
@conceitarturo A lot of what I've seen of his work is fairly repugnant. Have the rapes in WATCHMEN and LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN inspired you to be a more moral person? Or was it LOST GIRLS?
@conceitarturo None of my answers to your remarks were personal insults. They were reasoned rebuttals against which you obviously have no defence, since you refuse to address them specifically. So if you don't want to "waste fingers or time" on me, that's fine--since you've clearly lost this debate. Have a nice day.
@JohnnyS001 Dude, you're suggesting I enjoy his works because of the morbid points. I'm not interested in an arguement with anybody, people in arguements are pulling every explanation to disprove the other guy, regardless of how they got to bend things, I dont think there's a commitment to honesty there. Lawyers are all about arguements, but do they ever believe anything they say? I'd rather not hang to a belief in such a dependant way. hell, Alan might do stuff I find immoral from all I know,
@conceitarturo (cont) But I would never suggest to know it from his work...of all things. I'm just saying that's now how I've used his work...and if it doesnt work for ya, fine. Just dont go around suggesting people who like the things you dislike or vice versa are bad people, bad place to take your paradigms....it goes back to the arguement in the video above.
@conceitarturo 1) I was asking a rhetorical question to get you to think, not accusing you of liking his stuff because of its negative aspects. In my opinion, anyone who writes something like LOST GIRLS, for example, is highly suspect. As Jesus said in Luke 6, "There is no sound tree that produces rotten fruit, nor a rotten tree that produces good fruit. Every tree can be told by its own fruit. (cont'd)
@conceitarturo 2) "People do not pick figs from thorns, nor gather grapes from brambles. Good people draw what is good from the store of goodness in their hearts; bad people draw what is bad from the store of badness." Alan Moore draws (or writes, actually) stuff like LOST GIRLS. I'll let YOU draw your own CONCLUSIONS from that...'cause I don't want to go on arguing about this forever, either. I think his work is WAY too negative, and I plan to continue avoiding it in the future. Ciao.
@Zen5012 Are you kidding? There's much more negative! And I think that's reflected in modern comics, unfortunately (not that I read too many of them, since I find them so off-putting). I think the world is getting better in only a very few areas; while it's getting worse in many (most?) others. My personal feeling is that our societies are deeply corrupt at the highest levels of business, politics and (sadly) most of the popular arts as well.
No, I'm not kidding. My point is, if there is so much more negative in the world then it makes sense for a thinking man's work to focus on that. You say his work is WAY too negative. Well, when that's what surrounds us then that's what needs to be focused on.
V for Vendetta addresses exactly the deep corruption you're talking about. If you really grasp the message, it's quite positive regarding what can be done in such a negative world.
@Zen5012 1) Well, okay, if you say so. I haven't read V FOR VENDETTA and I don't want to go on arguing about this forever, but I do think that anyone who would write something like LOST GIRLS has to be a bit of a weirdo, to say the least. I can only reiterate what I said earlier, which is that I don't agree with the modern trend of the morally corrupt superhero (which Moore helped create through WATCHMEN), who's really not a hero at all, but rather a villain in disguise.
@Zen5012 Being normal isn't boring for people with talent. I think, for example, that Jack Kirby was quite a decent, normal person, and his comics were never boring. Quite the opposite, in fact. Nor were his heroes ever corrupt or unheroic. Quite the opposite, in fact. Yes, reality is tough; but true heroes are tougher. That's what makes them heroes. And that is a point Alan Moore and his fans obviously don't get.
@JohnnyS001 I see you stick around and try to make your points, so maybe you genuinely want to learn what is up with people who like this guy you dont understand, as I told you I'm not interested in arguements, you're not gonna get me to read your Jack Kirby and I'm not trying to get you to read Moore, I'm just trying to show you that people who dont have "normal" ideas like yours are not inmediately worse than you. There are many ways of seeing the world and you seem afraid of different ideas.
@conceitarturo I responded to someone else who sent me a comment. I've said what I had to say. I'm not "afraid of different ideas." If you don't want to read Jack Kirby comics, I could say exactly the same thing about you. And if you don't like my views but don't want to argue, why do you keep doing it?
@JohnnyS001 I say that because you basically say if Moore doesnt do heros, he must be less moral than Kirby. Kirby is something you understand, Moore you dont. He is "weird" or different, so he is worse. That is where we get that you are afraid of different ideas. I believe you can have a different insight on superheros, maybe there is something interesting about them we cant understand, but if you start by judging Moore as worse, that hampers communication, because there's no respect for us.
@JohnnyS001 Now, an arguement is a discussion where you assume you have the truth, and you defend it from the other person. Being affected by the other person is a loss here, you are trying to make the other person shut up. Now, if you seek truth of the subject regardless of which mouth it came from, when the other person says something different from yours it shows a new side of truth, it is a pleasant surprise instead of a nuisance. Which is why I suggest we do that, so you dont become tired.
@JohnnyS001 I think you start with the assumption that there's gotta be somebody for you to cheer for in a story, which is not the point in Moore's work. I read Moore's work as a depiction of a different slice of life each time, and I know there's a lesson he's trying to tell trough his story and I have always found it so far, despite what you might think he's not doing it just to make you feel sick. to me watchmen was about why he divorces from heros.
@conceitarturo Generally speaking, there SHOULD be someone to cheer for in a story. He's called the PROTAGONIST. Or are hundreds of years of classic literature and all other forms of storytelling wrong, in your opinion?
@JohnnyS001 Again, I'm not saying anybody is wrong dude, this is getting boring. Sure, Moore is a bad writer because he doesnt have likeable protagonists, do you think I'm gonna dislike him because you said that? I didnt say anything about theory of writing, I'm not saying he writes the "right" way, just that I like it, and why. Why must you prove people who like stuff different from you wrong?
@JohnnyS001 Rorschach represents this view of using violence to repress the evil out of the bad guys. Ozymandias is a little smarter, he represents using violence to scare the evil out of the bad guys...but his scale is the highest and his evil is war. The idea that a little violence is ok if it breeds peace remains. This is what Manhattan destroys in the ending, he denies Ozymandias the oportunity of fancying himself "right", what you do is what you do, you dont get to rationalize.
@JohnnyS001 "But murdering millions of innocent people is not an acceptable solution. It's worse than the problem they're trying to solve." I believe in an interview Alan Moore stated he was raising both a moral and philosophical question when he wrote that. He said he wanted people to think about why it was right or wrong, and then take that knowledge and keep that kind of problem from happening. In any case, I have said before, you don't have to like it, but could you not attack others?
@JohnnyS001 Finally, you've seen that Moore has some ideas that you cant quite get behind in Lost Girls. is this the root of all your insecurity towards him? remember, the point here is not that what they do is right...he's trying to say something more abstract than that and no one character holds the entire message. I know this because I've always got something from his work, and he also says this is the reason he writes. He just speaks a language diferent from yours, but he tries to do good
@conceitarturo Since you didn't respond to this point the first time, and since the person who put this video here removed my comment (because they're afraid I'm right?), I'll say this again. Doing a book like LOST GIRLS, which borders on kiddie porn, is not just about "different ideas".
@JohnnyS001 You are not just stating an opinion--you are trying to start a fight. There's a difference. You didn't even respond to my last comment. But here's another point against your last argument towards me: just because you don't THINK Alan Moore was trying to parody the superhero genre doesn't mean it isn't so. The fact that Moore has said several times that he was trying to parody it kind of end's that debate. No one is asking you to like the book--you could, however, be more tactful.
@jmoney507 Just because you don't THINK I'm just stating an opinion doesn't mean it isn't so. Really, I'm not trying to start a fight. I don't like Alan Moore's work and I've stated my reasons why in many posts on this video. And I'm sorry, but tact has never been one of my strong suits. As far as me not responding to your last comment, well, that was probably such a long time ago that I'm amazed it took YOU this long to respond to ME! Please comment SOONER, and I'll do my best to reply.
@JohnnyS001 I actually commented within hours of your post, as soon as I saw it. And as far as whether I think you are stating an opinion, well, you seem to have such a defensive manner against others, as if everybody is against you. This may or may not be, but as for me I just have a different opinion than you do about this one particular book, and you seem to act as though only your interpretation is valid. That doesn't seem fair to me.
@jmoney507 Let's face it, most of the people sending me comments here ARE against me. I've yet to receive even one comment from anyone who AGREED with me. But that's okay, because they're all entitled to their opinions, just as I am to mine. And my interpretation is as valid to me as yours is to you.
@JohnnyS001 If you noticed, I was NEVER against you, and I ALWAYS said you were entitle to your opinion. My problem is how you express yourself. Do you realize how condescending you sound most of the time? Granted, I myself had a problem with the grey area morality in some of the book, but to me it helped me to grow in my thought and ability to debate things. If you could possibly express yourself without sounding like your interpretation is the only one, I think you could get along better here.
@jmoney507 You may be right, but what's the point of debating if you don't have strong opinions which you're willing to put across forcefully? Even if people don't agree with me totally, I think I've succeeded in getting their attention and maybe getting some of the Moore fanatics to see that the guy's not perfect. If not...oh well, I tried.
@JohnnyS001 It's one thing to want to get others' attention and express yourself strongly, but like I said, you sounded arrogant and condescending, like your opinion was the only one that mattered. That was my problem, and I became a little defensive because of it. That was all. It's ok that you don't care for Moore's work, that's why we have all kinds of art.
@JohnnyS001 One more comment, sorry :p. I wanted to tell you because someone reads Moore it doesnt mean he hates pure characters, I love Hayao Miyazaki's work....but I understand that's not how Moore rolls, he doesnt like to write like that so I dont look for that in his stuff. I have an older brother who needs someone to cheer for in a story, so he doesnt like Moore, that's fine he gets something else from stories. I dont think he's worse than I or vice versa.
@JohnnyS001 I can only enjoy parody superheros like The Tick, because I just dont buy the idea that a guy in spandex going around beating people up will make the world a better place. That idea is about good guys repressing the bad guys so the good guys can be happy, I believe any "bad" person is only a symptom of a sick society and the root causes that made this person sick is what should be changed, locking up the bad guys might give some satisfaction to the victims but it fixes nothing.
@conceitarturo The good guys are NOT "repressing the bad guys so the good guys can be happy". They are RESTRAINING EVIL to protect the innocent. Criminals SHOULD be locked up to prevent them from harming others, and in order for justice to be served. Otherwise we would have ANARCHY, where everyone could just do whatever they wanted to anyone else, without fear of any negative consequences. If YOU had ever been a victim of crime, I think you'd feel quite differently than you do.
@JohnnyS001 You're just rewording what I said and putting stuff in caps. The idea of instilling fear with a bad consequence IS repression...what are you even saying anymore? dont pull that self righteous use of the word "evil" or "justice" I dont believe in that stuff. Of course I've been a victim of a crime, I live in Colombia. This is more and more about you vs me, if you dont have anything good about superheros I should look up to see something new in them I dont care to respond anymore.
@conceitarturo All I can say in response to this is that I think you are so totally and obviously wrong here that it's hard to believe anyone could even hold a view such as yours. But since you do, I'm kind of glad you don't care to respond anymore...!
@JohnnyS001@JohnnyS001 You are way too quick to judge without understanding. Alan cetainly meant the sacrifice to be inmoral, because he's not making the good into bad and blurring things, what he attempts is to DESTROY SUPERHEROS. You see, he believes when that to have a leader or an idol, to follow them instead of your own judgement is something nobody should ever do, so what he tries to do is to get people to stop following stupid characters. He detests the "gritty" superheros. it's on YT
I was looking for some in-depth interviewage of the great Alan Moore. What I got was this antitheocratic propoganda bull shit. I'm a deist, but plz don't waste my time, next interview, Mr. Lee.
someguy said I was a budy of his or asked if I was so I looked this guy up and...well...this guy is freaking weird! who is this guy? and where is Northhampdened?
stewart lee and alan moore are the kind of people I can imagine appearing on bill hicks's idea for a television series "the counts of the netherworld" if he hadn't died before it could be developed
@natruto there is a difference between being against organized religion and accpting the fact that there is a higher spiritial power in this world. your comment is a great example of why people like moore and myself (who believe in god) refuse to conform to organized religion. it's full of people like you who insult anyone's opinion if it goes against your own view of what god and religion should be. moore's worship of that snake thing is just his way of believing in god in his own personal way.
I like the idea of each individual formulating his or her own unique and personal concept of spirituality or whatever. Organized religion just leads to irrational intolerance of others. And war. And terrorism. And angry youtube comments. And so on . . . .
@rmcdaniel423 not true...we all need to point fingers,it makes our lives easier, if we can just blame bad things on something...War,and killing,and violence is withing all and every human,some more others less, religion is just used as an excuse, if not religion, we would come up with something else...*end of rant*
I agree. I may be christian, but I think that everyone needs their own interpretations of spiriruality. What I see as the princibles of christianity should be different from someone elses. It's the same with any religion, and I should respect their views and then they respect mine. Toleration of everyone's view on spirituality.
Funny how Moore only began practicing Magick after fellow comic writer Grant Morrison started talking openly about his own beliefs. Morrison has a better grasp of the subject too not just worshipping based on the fact it was "Smug" and "Rock and roll". Once Grant was the student now he's unquestionably the master
This isn't all that surprising. Moore has stated before that at first his whole "i'm a magician! " act was done mostly as a joke so he can freak people out.
Rob Zombie copied Alan Moore's beard didnt he? That explains it. The genius comes from the almighty dwarven beard. ALL HAIL DWARVEN CHOMPSKI BEARDS!!!
Sheesh. I keep trying to read his stuff, but I swear Moore is like the messiah of all who would get beat up in middle school. Thus he is against confident sexy women who flirt, confident athletic men who are badass and don't need permission to kiss a woman, anyone who can fight or kill, anyone who knows they look good.... He is for anyone who can play the tuba, is gay, has bad hair, has a bad complexion, has frizzy hair, is socialist..... it gets old.
smart guy
TheDoomsdayperson 1 week ago
sounds like mason talk. WATCHMEN RULZ
Bongsolo123 1 week ago
Alan Moore looks like Oddball from Kelly's Heroes.
DrPetulant 2 weeks ago
Alan Moore is so lovely.
kylehlogan 1 month ago
Having read Watchmen three times I expected Moore to have a more concise philosophy, although "Every individual should make his own pace in the universe" is on the lines of what I expected. I thought Watchmen was a critique of socialism/Christianity/"good" values and that people who truly understand humans (Rorshach and the Comedian) are probably too few, too vulnerable and too lonely to save our species by themselves
deadshepherd666 1 month ago
Alan Moore is so fucking cool.
SethHesio 1 month ago
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etro87 1 month ago
who wants to see me watch some lesbian porn?
zosojb 2 months ago
@zosojb me?
BooJoMan 1 month ago
YO...GOD IS JUST HELPING THE CHINESSE OUT...LOL
buakawkaoklai 2 months ago
my two favourite people
yippeekayay1 3 months ago
he scares me
Ploiken 5 months ago
Two undeniable geniuses discussing things i hold dear. This is incredible!
seansalvador1 6 months ago 10
Alan Moore's timing is awesome
ElMufro 7 months ago 7
That's my dad.
astronaughtee 7 months ago in playlist stewart lee
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peoman2 7 months ago 2
Did I just see him again with Stewart
quizzard 8 months ago
@quizzard On BBC2? Yeah it was him.
gdogg6891 8 months ago
Stewart Lee has the most lovely voice.
stevenuuu1212 8 months ago
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You creepy masonic fuck.
Mr11MUSICMAN 10 months ago
@Mr11MUSICMAN look who's talking
jimbobhk2009 8 months ago
@jimbobhk2009 So I'm masonic?
LOL I was jk, but still he's creepy.
Mr11MUSICMAN 8 months ago
@Mr11MUSICMAN no i meant you like watchmen one of his graphic novels so i was confused as to why you said it thats all. yeah your right he is a bit creepy but a genius ; )
jimbobhk2009 8 months ago
@jimbobhk2009 Yeah, he is.
V For Vendetta and Watchmen are flawless graphic novels.
Mr11MUSICMAN 8 months ago
@Mr11MUSICMAN promethea? promethea.
neoniastarz 4 days ago
NLP is magic.
OldSmellyCrotch 11 months ago 2
Alan Moore is a genial. Is GOD! :)
Thanks for Watchmen.
widowmakermark 11 months ago
Funny that this guy is actually a huge fan of Silver Age DC and especially the classic Superman drwan by Curt Swan.
OropherThranduil 11 months ago
I could listen to 'Moore speak for days,but I could read his many great works & will for the rest of my life!
socillizt4life 11 months ago 2
hey alan, the adaption to v for vendetta was amazing. get your head out of your ass.
cspj12 1 year ago
i always thought he was scary-looking but now i think he's scary looking and a super nice guy :D
zombiebackrub 1 year ago
I think Alan Moore is Aberforth Dumbledore.
prettydoll 1 year ago
idol
SuperJinchuriki 1 year ago
What documentary is this segment taken from?
Looks interesting.
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hasanlolane 1 year ago
Given that there are a few billion Abrahamic monotheists in the world, why do people got to be hatin' on the one guy who worships a snake puppet?
It just doesn't seem fair.
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shellicreed 1 year ago
What a friggin' mental case. This weirdo's religious beliefs are as screwed up as his comic books. Worshiping a snake, for cryin' out loud! No wonder his writing is so sick and depraved. Moore and all his degenerate followers have done almost as much to ruin American comics as have all the continuity-obsessed fanboys who won't support anything that's not part of some corporate super-hero "universe" (but that's another story)!
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001
you obviously don't get it do you?
Maktfaktor 1 year ago 2
@Maktfaktor No, YOU obviously don't get it if you think this lunatic has ever written a decent comic book in his life.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 You got troll'd
Jokaanan 1 year ago
@Jokaanan Sorry, but you're the one who got "troll'd" if you actually believe Alan Moore is a good writer who has ever contributed anything of any edifying value to the comics field. Corrupting and perverting the industry with his sick fantasies isn't exactly what I'd call a worthwhile contribution.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Nope, I'd only be getting troll'd if I fed you... Oh wait, oops! BTW, you sound like Rorschach and it's really cute.
Jokaanan 1 year ago
@Jokaanan Rorschach is the only real hero in that entire book. But then, he's basically just a rip-off of the characters created and written by Steve Ditko, a TRUE talent who actually understands the difference between right and wrong.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 yeah! and we'll rot in hell 'cause of Moore's comics...!
DaRealPope 1 year ago
@DaRealPope YOU said it.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 He doesn't worship a snake. He worships a puppet of a snake.
phrenology888 1 year ago
@phrenology888 Wow...a PUPPET of a snake... Do I have to say more?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001
Durrr!!!
bewlaybrutha 1 year ago
@bewlaybrutha Huh?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Wow, hating on someone for religious beliefs? WHat do you believe?
jmoney507 1 year ago
@jmoney507 I'm not "hating on him" for his so-called "religious beliefs" (such as they are); I'm pointing out the OBVIOUS to an incredible number of people who have been duped by all the HYPE into believing that this WEIRDO has ever written a comic that's not just a reflection of his demented personality and that he shouldn't be lionized for foisting such a pile of outright CRAP on the comics-reading public!
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Can you cite an example for this? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, but the claim you make is not one I can see.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@jmoney507 An example of what? The crap he's written? Just about everything he's ever done! I'm glad I'm still entitled to my opinion. The way the world's going, though, I don't know how much longer that'll last!
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 If you cannot cite an example for why you feel this way, then I have no reason to listen to you. The point of WATCHMEN, for example, was to parody the superhero genre, and to use spoofs of specific characters to make a point. A bit too liberal for my taste, and the plot had issues, but other than that, I see no problem. Again, making generalizations without backing them up leaves me to doubt your opinion's credibility.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@jmoney507 But I don't think the point of WATCHMEN was to parody the superhero genre. It was to make the superhero genre seem more "realistic" and to get it to be taken more seriously by, frankly, grafting on a bunch of concepts and ideas that have no business being part of the superhero genre--like turning heroes into rapists, for example. HEROES ARE SUPPOSED TO BE GOOD AND MORALLY UPRIGHT. THAT'S WHAT MAKES THEM HEROES. What part of that do you not understand?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I understand what heroes are supposed to be, and Alan Moore has said in several interviews that his point was to parody the genre. The idea of the heroes being rapists was supposed to represent how sometimes the men and women who are supposed to be our role models end up being less than ideal.
You do not have to agree with me. As I have said, you are entitled to your opinion, as I am mine. All that I asked was for you to give examples for why you felt the way you did.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 On this count, you're just demonstrably wrong. Watchmen is an exploration of the difficulties and contradictions inherent in the superhero genre. It is neither an attack on it or an attempt to make it realistic. Written in the context of the Cold War, it examines (among other things) the dangerous consequences of a world view that draws a clear line between "hero" and "villain" without allowing for human complexity and frailty. If that doesn't interest you, that's fine.
danco81 1 year ago
@danco81 I'm sorry I ever got into this debate now, but I don't think I'm wrong. How about that ending, where millions of people are murdered as a way of advancing "the greater good"? Don't you think that's immoral? 'Cause pal, if that's the only answer, then the cure is worse than the disease. There aren't that many "difficulties" with the superhero genre, except for people like Alan Moore who have EXTREMELY ambiguous morals--so I stand by my comments.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I think you're misreading Watchmen. It's not meant to be a happy ending. Of course the sacrifice is immoral. Moore would be the first to agree. Indeed, the last image of the book, Rorschach's journal about to be discovered, tells us that all these twisted efforts to bring peace have been in vain. Thinking Moore favours annihilation because it happens in Watchmen is on a level with thinking Melville believed one should embark on a doomed whale hunt.
danco81 1 year ago
@danco81 Would he agree? I'm not so sure. Superheroes are supposed to be HEROES, not rapists, mass murderers, etc. Alan Moore's work is essentially about VILLAINS, not heroes, and it disgusts me that he seems to be trying to make excuses for their deplorable behavior--and that people try to glorify the work of a man who has corrupted the genre by calling bad good and good bad. WATCHMEN is a negative, depressing story which has had an EXCEPTIONALLY bad influence on the entire comics industry.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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danco81 1 year ago
@danco81 I'm not sure why your comment was removed. It shouldn't have been. I'll respond to your email by saying simply that I feel Moore and others like him have attempted to graft concepts onto SUPERHERO comics (not all genres of comics) that simply do not belong. And in fact I think very highly of the literary and artistic potential of comics--including superhero comics, whose purpose is to present a character who is a BETTER MODEL of humanity, not the same as or worse than most others.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@danco81 cont'd... For a more thorough explanation of my view on this, please see the Steve Ditko portion of Ken Viola's 1987 film, THE MASTERS OF COMIC BOOK ART. Ditko says it much more succinctly and eloquently than I ever could.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo TRUE heroes are to be RESPECTED, not destroyed. Why does he want to destroy superheroes? Perhaps it's because, like Frank Miller, he can't believe in anyone who is more honorable or uncorrupted than himself. Please see my answer to danco81, above. The rejection of morally upright characters is a rejection of morality itself--usually by people who resent them because they themselves are so immoral.... Wow, how do I ever get myself into these arguments?!
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
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@JohnnyS001 He is simply against giving your responsability to someone else. He wants to destroy them because he sees them as a power fantasy of uniformed men, which's equivalent in real life would be military, a really bad thing to which surrender your responsability. Moore probably would agree with you about the success of his concepts in superhero comis though, he regrets that all that resulted was superheros became deranged, so he wants nothing to do with superheros anymore.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo Personally, I never viewed superheroes as being similar to military men, except perhaps during World War 2. Superheroes are more akin to policemen--except they do the things that policemen are unable to do because policemen are often "handcuffed" by due process or political corruption. And I don't think it's a question of surrendering your responsibility; it's a question of "letting JUSTICE be done, though the heavens fall"!
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Really? your arguement is he dislikes what I like so he must be a bad person?. He would agree that the way comic writers followed up on watchmen is a bad result, he dislike this barrage of deranged superheroes as much as you do. He doesnt even want to touch superheroes anymore. You obviously have not read all of his work, he does have moral characters he just doesnt think the superhero conceit is a good vehicle for him to tell stories.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo Well, I'm glad he would agree with me on SOME things! I never said he didn't have any moral characters, just not many. Rorschach is the only true hero in WATCHMEN. And I'm not sure what you mean by "the superhero conceit." How is helping others and fighting for truth and justice a conceit?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 His work may not appeal to you, but he has inspired me to be a more moral person. You ask how you get into these arguements? well, you go to a video about Alan Moore and suggest that he must be immoral because you dont like his work.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo A lot of what I've seen of his work is fairly repugnant. Have the rapes in WATCHMEN and LEAGUE OF EXTRAORDINARY GENTLEMEN inspired you to be a more moral person? Or was it LOST GIRLS?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 now we're on personal insults, now I'm sure I dont have to waste fingers or time on you anymore, thanks for clearing that up! =D
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo None of my answers to your remarks were personal insults. They were reasoned rebuttals against which you obviously have no defence, since you refuse to address them specifically. So if you don't want to "waste fingers or time" on me, that's fine--since you've clearly lost this debate. Have a nice day.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Dude, you're suggesting I enjoy his works because of the morbid points. I'm not interested in an arguement with anybody, people in arguements are pulling every explanation to disprove the other guy, regardless of how they got to bend things, I dont think there's a commitment to honesty there. Lawyers are all about arguements, but do they ever believe anything they say? I'd rather not hang to a belief in such a dependant way. hell, Alan might do stuff I find immoral from all I know,
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo (cont) But I would never suggest to know it from his work...of all things. I'm just saying that's now how I've used his work...and if it doesnt work for ya, fine. Just dont go around suggesting people who like the things you dislike or vice versa are bad people, bad place to take your paradigms....it goes back to the arguement in the video above.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo 1) I was asking a rhetorical question to get you to think, not accusing you of liking his stuff because of its negative aspects. In my opinion, anyone who writes something like LOST GIRLS, for example, is highly suspect. As Jesus said in Luke 6, "There is no sound tree that produces rotten fruit, nor a rotten tree that produces good fruit. Every tree can be told by its own fruit. (cont'd)
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@conceitarturo 2) "People do not pick figs from thorns, nor gather grapes from brambles. Good people draw what is good from the store of goodness in their hearts; bad people draw what is bad from the store of badness." Alan Moore draws (or writes, actually) stuff like LOST GIRLS. I'll let YOU draw your own CONCLUSIONS from that...'cause I don't want to go on arguing about this forever, either. I think his work is WAY too negative, and I plan to continue avoiding it in the future. Ciao.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001
Just curious - would you say there's more negative or positive in the world around you?
Zen5012 1 year ago
@Zen5012 Are you kidding? There's much more negative! And I think that's reflected in modern comics, unfortunately (not that I read too many of them, since I find them so off-putting). I think the world is getting better in only a very few areas; while it's getting worse in many (most?) others. My personal feeling is that our societies are deeply corrupt at the highest levels of business, politics and (sadly) most of the popular arts as well.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001
No, I'm not kidding. My point is, if there is so much more negative in the world then it makes sense for a thinking man's work to focus on that. You say his work is WAY too negative. Well, when that's what surrounds us then that's what needs to be focused on.
V for Vendetta addresses exactly the deep corruption you're talking about. If you really grasp the message, it's quite positive regarding what can be done in such a negative world.
Zen5012 1 year ago
@Zen5012 1) Well, okay, if you say so. I haven't read V FOR VENDETTA and I don't want to go on arguing about this forever, but I do think that anyone who would write something like LOST GIRLS has to be a bit of a weirdo, to say the least. I can only reiterate what I said earlier, which is that I don't agree with the modern trend of the morally corrupt superhero (which Moore helped create through WATCHMEN), who's really not a hero at all, but rather a villain in disguise.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001
Well nobody said he wasn't a weirdo but, so what? Being "normal" is boring as shit.
And as far as the morally corrupt superhero - I'm not sure you really get the point to watchmen at all. Sometimes, reality is tough.
Zen5012 1 year ago
@Zen5012 Being normal isn't boring for people with talent. I think, for example, that Jack Kirby was quite a decent, normal person, and his comics were never boring. Quite the opposite, in fact. Nor were his heroes ever corrupt or unheroic. Quite the opposite, in fact. Yes, reality is tough; but true heroes are tougher. That's what makes them heroes. And that is a point Alan Moore and his fans obviously don't get.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I see you stick around and try to make your points, so maybe you genuinely want to learn what is up with people who like this guy you dont understand, as I told you I'm not interested in arguements, you're not gonna get me to read your Jack Kirby and I'm not trying to get you to read Moore, I'm just trying to show you that people who dont have "normal" ideas like yours are not inmediately worse than you. There are many ways of seeing the world and you seem afraid of different ideas.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo I responded to someone else who sent me a comment. I've said what I had to say. I'm not "afraid of different ideas." If you don't want to read Jack Kirby comics, I could say exactly the same thing about you. And if you don't like my views but don't want to argue, why do you keep doing it?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I say that because you basically say if Moore doesnt do heros, he must be less moral than Kirby. Kirby is something you understand, Moore you dont. He is "weird" or different, so he is worse. That is where we get that you are afraid of different ideas. I believe you can have a different insight on superheros, maybe there is something interesting about them we cant understand, but if you start by judging Moore as worse, that hampers communication, because there's no respect for us.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Now, an arguement is a discussion where you assume you have the truth, and you defend it from the other person. Being affected by the other person is a loss here, you are trying to make the other person shut up. Now, if you seek truth of the subject regardless of which mouth it came from, when the other person says something different from yours it shows a new side of truth, it is a pleasant surprise instead of a nuisance. Which is why I suggest we do that, so you dont become tired.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I think you start with the assumption that there's gotta be somebody for you to cheer for in a story, which is not the point in Moore's work. I read Moore's work as a depiction of a different slice of life each time, and I know there's a lesson he's trying to tell trough his story and I have always found it so far, despite what you might think he's not doing it just to make you feel sick. to me watchmen was about why he divorces from heros.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo Generally speaking, there SHOULD be someone to cheer for in a story. He's called the PROTAGONIST. Or are hundreds of years of classic literature and all other forms of storytelling wrong, in your opinion?
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Again, I'm not saying anybody is wrong dude, this is getting boring. Sure, Moore is a bad writer because he doesnt have likeable protagonists, do you think I'm gonna dislike him because you said that? I didnt say anything about theory of writing, I'm not saying he writes the "right" way, just that I like it, and why. Why must you prove people who like stuff different from you wrong?
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo But you were the one who asked me (!) and I gave you my answer. I'm telling you why I DON'T like it.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Rorschach represents this view of using violence to repress the evil out of the bad guys. Ozymandias is a little smarter, he represents using violence to scare the evil out of the bad guys...but his scale is the highest and his evil is war. The idea that a little violence is ok if it breeds peace remains. This is what Manhattan destroys in the ending, he denies Ozymandias the oportunity of fancying himself "right", what you do is what you do, you dont get to rationalize.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo But murdering millions of innocent people is not an acceptable solution. It's worse than the problem they're trying to solve.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 "But murdering millions of innocent people is not an acceptable solution. It's worse than the problem they're trying to solve." I believe in an interview Alan Moore stated he was raising both a moral and philosophical question when he wrote that. He said he wanted people to think about why it was right or wrong, and then take that knowledge and keep that kind of problem from happening. In any case, I have said before, you don't have to like it, but could you not attack others?
jmoney507 1 year ago
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JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 Finally, you've seen that Moore has some ideas that you cant quite get behind in Lost Girls. is this the root of all your insecurity towards him? remember, the point here is not that what they do is right...he's trying to say something more abstract than that and no one character holds the entire message. I know this because I've always got something from his work, and he also says this is the reason he writes. He just speaks a language diferent from yours, but he tries to do good
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo Since you didn't respond to this point the first time, and since the person who put this video here removed my comment (because they're afraid I'm right?), I'll say this again. Doing a book like LOST GIRLS, which borders on kiddie porn, is not just about "different ideas".
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 You are not just stating an opinion--you are trying to start a fight. There's a difference. You didn't even respond to my last comment. But here's another point against your last argument towards me: just because you don't THINK Alan Moore was trying to parody the superhero genre doesn't mean it isn't so. The fact that Moore has said several times that he was trying to parody it kind of end's that debate. No one is asking you to like the book--you could, however, be more tactful.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@jmoney507 Just because you don't THINK I'm just stating an opinion doesn't mean it isn't so. Really, I'm not trying to start a fight. I don't like Alan Moore's work and I've stated my reasons why in many posts on this video. And I'm sorry, but tact has never been one of my strong suits. As far as me not responding to your last comment, well, that was probably such a long time ago that I'm amazed it took YOU this long to respond to ME! Please comment SOONER, and I'll do my best to reply.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I actually commented within hours of your post, as soon as I saw it. And as far as whether I think you are stating an opinion, well, you seem to have such a defensive manner against others, as if everybody is against you. This may or may not be, but as for me I just have a different opinion than you do about this one particular book, and you seem to act as though only your interpretation is valid. That doesn't seem fair to me.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@jmoney507 Let's face it, most of the people sending me comments here ARE against me. I've yet to receive even one comment from anyone who AGREED with me. But that's okay, because they're all entitled to their opinions, just as I am to mine. And my interpretation is as valid to me as yours is to you.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 If you noticed, I was NEVER against you, and I ALWAYS said you were entitle to your opinion. My problem is how you express yourself. Do you realize how condescending you sound most of the time? Granted, I myself had a problem with the grey area morality in some of the book, but to me it helped me to grow in my thought and ability to debate things. If you could possibly express yourself without sounding like your interpretation is the only one, I think you could get along better here.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@jmoney507 You may be right, but what's the point of debating if you don't have strong opinions which you're willing to put across forcefully? Even if people don't agree with me totally, I think I've succeeded in getting their attention and maybe getting some of the Moore fanatics to see that the guy's not perfect. If not...oh well, I tried.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 It's one thing to want to get others' attention and express yourself strongly, but like I said, you sounded arrogant and condescending, like your opinion was the only one that mattered. That was my problem, and I became a little defensive because of it. That was all. It's ok that you don't care for Moore's work, that's why we have all kinds of art.
jmoney507 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 One more comment, sorry :p. I wanted to tell you because someone reads Moore it doesnt mean he hates pure characters, I love Hayao Miyazaki's work....but I understand that's not how Moore rolls, he doesnt like to write like that so I dont look for that in his stuff. I have an older brother who needs someone to cheer for in a story, so he doesnt like Moore, that's fine he gets something else from stories. I dont think he's worse than I or vice versa.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 I can only enjoy parody superheros like The Tick, because I just dont buy the idea that a guy in spandex going around beating people up will make the world a better place. That idea is about good guys repressing the bad guys so the good guys can be happy, I believe any "bad" person is only a symptom of a sick society and the root causes that made this person sick is what should be changed, locking up the bad guys might give some satisfaction to the victims but it fixes nothing.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo The good guys are NOT "repressing the bad guys so the good guys can be happy". They are RESTRAINING EVIL to protect the innocent. Criminals SHOULD be locked up to prevent them from harming others, and in order for justice to be served. Otherwise we would have ANARCHY, where everyone could just do whatever they wanted to anyone else, without fear of any negative consequences. If YOU had ever been a victim of crime, I think you'd feel quite differently than you do.
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 You're just rewording what I said and putting stuff in caps. The idea of instilling fear with a bad consequence IS repression...what are you even saying anymore? dont pull that self righteous use of the word "evil" or "justice" I dont believe in that stuff. Of course I've been a victim of a crime, I live in Colombia. This is more and more about you vs me, if you dont have anything good about superheros I should look up to see something new in them I dont care to respond anymore.
conceitarturo 1 year ago
@conceitarturo All I can say in response to this is that I think you are so totally and obviously wrong here that it's hard to believe anyone could even hold a view such as yours. But since you do, I'm kind of glad you don't care to respond anymore...!
JohnnyS001 1 year ago
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conceitarturo 1 year ago
@JohnnyS001 @JohnnyS001 You are way too quick to judge without understanding. Alan cetainly meant the sacrifice to be inmoral, because he's not making the good into bad and blurring things, what he attempts is to DESTROY SUPERHEROS. You see, he believes when that to have a leader or an idol, to follow them instead of your own judgement is something nobody should ever do, so what he tries to do is to get people to stop following stupid characters. He detests the "gritty" superheros. it's on YT
conceitarturo 1 year ago
I was looking for some in-depth interviewage of the great Alan Moore. What I got was this antitheocratic propoganda bull shit. I'm a deist, but plz don't waste my time, next interview, Mr. Lee.
Omatusano 1 year ago
@Omatusano
Wow. Change the channel, why don't ya!?!
jamesejudy3 1 year ago
someguy said I was a budy of his or asked if I was so I looked this guy up and...well...this guy is freaking weird! who is this guy? and where is Northhampdened?
InternetMasterMindX 1 year ago
stewart lee and alan moore are the kind of people I can imagine appearing on bill hicks's idea for a television series "the counts of the netherworld" if he hadn't died before it could be developed
murray1234567891011 1 year ago
When the guy thats interviewing him laughs he kinda looks like Oliver Stone lol.
ValhallaAwaitsU 1 year ago
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ignorant... hes against religion, yet hes religious...... what a hypocrite. yet a nother distorted mind... sad..
natruto 1 year ago
@natruto there is a difference between being against organized religion and accpting the fact that there is a higher spiritial power in this world. your comment is a great example of why people like moore and myself (who believe in god) refuse to conform to organized religion. it's full of people like you who insult anyone's opinion if it goes against your own view of what god and religion should be. moore's worship of that snake thing is just his way of believing in god in his own personal way.
slimithy12 1 year ago
@natruto are you even listening to what he's saying?? unbelievable.
TickingHand 1 year ago
Alan Moore should have played Gandalf. Or any Wise Bearded Old Man.
TriplePalindromous 1 year ago 3
I like the idea of each individual formulating his or her own unique and personal concept of spirituality or whatever. Organized religion just leads to irrational intolerance of others. And war. And terrorism. And angry youtube comments. And so on . . . .
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago 16
@rmcdaniel423 not true...we all need to point fingers,it makes our lives easier, if we can just blame bad things on something...War,and killing,and violence is withing all and every human,some more others less, religion is just used as an excuse, if not religion, we would come up with something else...*end of rant*
TheWitcherFanboy 1 year ago
@TheWitcherFanboy wrote "we all need to point fingers . . . "
*NEED* to point fingers? . . . or *WANT* to?
rmcdaniel423 1 year ago
@rmcdaniel423
I agree. I may be christian, but I think that everyone needs their own interpretations of spiriruality. What I see as the princibles of christianity should be different from someone elses. It's the same with any religion, and I should respect their views and then they respect mine. Toleration of everyone's view on spirituality.
gangman5 1 year ago
hooo fuck he have the same hairstyle as me
bardero23 1 year ago
This guys great. I wonder though if he is over rated. Im rereading From Hell right now.
THEHITPACK 1 year ago
I love how he calls Jesus "a man from Bethlehem who could make a loaf feed more people than it could reasonably be expected to." That's great.
CoralineWinter 1 year ago
If you like this, you've got read the interview he did with The Quietus. Man's a freaking genius.
TheQuietus[dot]com/articles/04603-alan-moore-interview-unearthing-2
Tropicalia 1 year ago
Alan Moore mentioning Paris Hiltons name.
This seems wrong.
jazzintheghetto 1 year ago
God his a fucking hippie
Sanaa2k 1 year ago 2
@Sanaa2k
With a touch of wiizard.
jazzintheghetto 1 year ago
'He looked so... smug'. Surely Moore is describing Lee?
pennydesouza 1 year ago
Funny how Moore only began practicing Magick after fellow comic writer Grant Morrison started talking openly about his own beliefs. Morrison has a better grasp of the subject too not just worshipping based on the fact it was "Smug" and "Rock and roll". Once Grant was the student now he's unquestionably the master
Grothraw 1 year ago
@Grothraw really I didn't know that
I thought it was other way round
so it's grant who's driving the bandwagon
natmanprime 1 year ago
@Grothraw
This isn't all that surprising. Moore has stated before that at first his whole "i'm a magician! " act was done mostly as a joke so he can freak people out.
JenxRodwell 1 year ago
I hope he knows his chinese zodiac is a snake
sneauxred 1 year ago
Alan Moore knows the score
gezblair 1 year ago 3
George Moronic Fuck Bush. Barack Moronic Fuck Obama. ...
No gods, no masters...
libertarianjury 1 year ago
@libertarianjury are you a left wing libertarian or a right wing libertarian?
imnevermakingavideo 1 year ago
@libertarianjury Good luck with that. I agree that both persons are servants of power and privilege.
Antiks72 1 year ago
I WATCHED this on TEXTp
0nemest0 1 year ago
Everything this guy does is philisophical...that...is...so...Awsome! :O
ModernPhilisophe 1 year ago
"If you film him from strange angles, you can make him look very sinister"
rofl, well said.
TheIrredeemable 1 year ago 38
i find it bloody hilarious hehe
Alan just loves taking the mickey out of everything.. even the universe
ooohhooooooo
RalphMarx 1 year ago
two worlds moore
BUZZ
CUT !!!
SNB222 1 year ago
jesus christ this is the guy who made my fave storys, what a freak ( for the believeing theres a God part, not the other stuff)
Revenchist6 1 year ago
@Revenchist6 your a fuckin idiot.
floormasterer 1 year ago
somebody needs a hug.
Revenchist6 1 year ago
He admits his "god" is a complete farce. its more of a commentary of how he thinks blindly worshipping anything is pretty ridiculous
sdc3536 1 year ago 5
ah i see, cool
Revenchist6 1 year ago
@sdc3536
Don't put words in other men's mouths.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
Rob Zombie copied Alan Moore's beard didnt he? That explains it. The genius comes from the almighty dwarven beard. ALL HAIL DWARVEN CHOMPSKI BEARDS!!!
Gjkl345 1 year ago 5
Sheesh. I keep trying to read his stuff, but I swear Moore is like the messiah of all who would get beat up in middle school. Thus he is against confident sexy women who flirt, confident athletic men who are badass and don't need permission to kiss a woman, anyone who can fight or kill, anyone who knows they look good.... He is for anyone who can play the tuba, is gay, has bad hair, has a bad complexion, has frizzy hair, is socialist..... it gets old.
lollipopfop 2 years ago
@lollipopfop
Not to worry, Dodgem Logic explains it all.
cha5 2 years ago
@cha5
I want dodgem logic, but my comic store refuses to get it for me.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
@Jcolinsol Well then I would
A. Drop that comicbook store like a bad habit and go to some other comicstore that will order it for you
B. Order it directly from the Diamond website
C. Go to Dodgemlogicdotcom and order it from their online store which also handles overseas orders.
Just about every comicshop I've been to that has a respectable Alan Moore section has some room set aside for a few copies of Dodgemlogic.
cha5 1 year ago
@cha5
Yeah, I'm probably going to have to go online for it. Seems like I can get the back issues via the publisher though.
Jcolinsol 1 year ago
Or for anybody who has a brain.....even though my hair isn't that good.
BLACKMAGICMETALMAN12 1 year ago 2
lemme guess your a shallow teen drama queen Who is too stupid to understand his work.
SuperPugman1 1 year ago 2
If you have children, I hope SIDS takes effect.
spandxslt 1 year ago
@spandxslt
U WILL BE FUCKED IN THE ASS BY CTHULHU!!!
(;,;)
DarkAntiU94 1 year ago 2
@lollipopfop
I know, and doesn't that just make him great and true.
cmwissy 1 year ago
@lollipopfop I like every kind of person you just mentioned.
mistabook 2 weeks ago
A gentleman and scholar. And a first rate artist. He is one of the most unique human beings living on the planet.
TheFaustianMan 2 years ago 3
You can't be "most unique". Uniqueness doesn't have gradations. Alan Moore would understand this. Consider yourself improved.
TobyDoggle 1 year ago
What do you mean you can't?
I just did.
Who says? You? Someone who told you? Time to invent your own words, and stop living by what some grammarian tells you.
You can make all kind of words. Try it. Don't get all cumjustled.
TheFaustianMan 1 year ago
i worship a bear with 10 human female breats on its back..........
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