Port Arthur Massacre 15 years Gun Reforms Work

[Parapon3ra]

Fuck gun control, a handful of statistically irrelevant incidents are no excuse for infringing the basic human rights (yes, self-defense is, or rather should be, a basic human right) of millions of people. Gun control is pure hysteria, and only benefits criminals and repressive governments.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@Parapon3ra what you say is hysteria. gun ownership is rising and no law abiding citizen with a valid reason for ownership is refused. the only thing missing is assault weapons capable of semi or automatic function.

your human rights are being infringed upon? what of other people in society? ask your mother or grandmother how they feel about gun control and ownership, they have a valid voice too. some fools wish to carry concealed weapons. you have a lot more to take into consideration yet.

[Parapon3ra]

@1AussieAvenger1 "the only thing missing is assault weapons capable of semi or automatic function"

Handguns can be just as deadly in spree killings (see for example Virginia Tech), so banning ARs and AR style semi-automatics is pointless and arbitrary. Hell, they even used the Port Arthur incident as an excuse to ban pump-action shotguns, even though Bryant didn't actually use such a weapon.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@Parapon3ra you just dont get it do you... but some feel inadequate without some gun or hot car to boost their insignificance and their ego... handguns here are regulated also.

[Parapon3ra]

@1AussieAvenger1 "your human rights are being infringed upon? what of other people in society?"

They could use guns to protect their human rights too.

"ask your mother or grandmother how they feel about gun control and ownership, they have a valid voice too"

Women, especially old women, tend to have an irrational fear of guns (and many other things). It's a biological thing.

"some fools wish to carry concealed weapons"

Some fools wish to be helpless when in public.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@Parapon3ra its obvious you're biased and dont see reality... firearms here are still freely available but regulated. a citizen with a valid reason and no criminal history can obtain a weapon easily. so you want an assault rifle or auto shottie? what for? so you think its ok to carry concealed weapons? again what for? self defence? sounds like you have no confidence in your govt, police, or fellow citizens, but thats your issue not mine. need a gun for protection?... sure you do.

[DaNtHeMaN919]

I also can't understand the irrational fear of an inanimate object that you gun control nuts seem to have. Do you also fear cars? Knives? Honestly guns and other objects have no ability to operate autonomously and as such are subject to the moral compass of the user and his/her actions. It was Howard's worst move and he should be ashamed for what he ushered in.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@DaNtHeMaN919 i understand the fixation 'gun nuts' have with their toys. who said im against firearms. im not but im all for regulation. if you are unlearned, and politically motivated as you seem then you're not the right person to be making the decision anyway.

yes responsibility of the user, and can you guarantee the responsibility of all gun owners? no. then why should one person die for your whims? one goose here wanted a concealed weapon. do you want your family exposed to that? cowboy

[DaNtHeMaN919]

Forgetting the main point, if only ONE of the innocent victims had a firearm for personal defense then he would've had his head blown off like the nutter he was. Gun control does not work, it merely robs the honest, innocent and good of the ability to protect themselves. I hate this nanny state country sometimes.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@DaNtHeMaN919 its the law. civilians are permitted 'equal force' as opposed to 'reasonable force' for security, to 'beyond reasonable force' for police and authorized govt.

your point however is invalid. if you could trust all citizens then it wouldn't be a problem, but we cant and history has shown humans cant be trusted. and thats why we have laws so its black and white with no grey areas. a crim could say he shot you in self defense and get off. you're 21 so you got a lot to learn

[DaNtHeMaN919]

@1AussieAvenger1 You're allowed reasonable force and, in some states, "extreme" force to remove unwanted people from your property/premises or to defend these. So if someone encroaches on these in such a way, with a firearm for instance, then the law is interpreted as saying we can respond but not in an equal (and definitely not reasonable) way. Innocent good guys lose, bad guys who need a hot lead injection win

[1AussieAvenger1]

@DaNtHeMaN919 its possible to use as a defence on your own property... ah but PA wasn't at home was it. your last statement was accurate, but do you really want those people to be able to own and access weapons of their choice without discrimination of good or bad? that is where regulation came in. like i said you're young and i hold nothing against you, but run what your saying past your grandmother and listen for a change. all society deserves the right to walk free without fear.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@DaNtHeMaN919 lets talk about desensitization of generations. how many shooter games do you play? at 21 you must have faves. its nothing for a person 7yrs - 15yrs old to have seen graphic murder images whether real or not these days. you may say 'so what'. consider what was once allowed or censored. is the way its going what you want for future generations including children you may have? swearing, sex, murder, deciet, lies, its all there. is your generation going to kill the world or fix it?

[1AussieAvenger1]

its known some casings were souveniered because some were returned. no one knows the true amount of shots fired. bryant was diagnosed and said he'd like to shoot people prior to PA. his father, Maurice, tried his best. his mother, Carleen, didn't and admits it.

no one was aware of bryants weapons apart from the sellers. the fed govt did take responsibility, forcing all states to comply with new gun reforms. Tas was so easy to buy auto weapons before that. you just needed money and its yours.

[1davidlister1]

@1AussieAvenger1

BS

Automatic weapons have been banned since 1960 (or thereabouts).

I'm sick of constantly hearing that bit of disinformation. It was repeatedly spouted by the media at the time and then by the disinformed public.

Who were rightly horrified to be told that anyone can go and buy a machine gun, no questions asked.

When, in reality, possession of an automatic weapon was completely illegeal and had been for DECADES.

Get it right, eh?

[1AussieAvenger1]

@1davidlister1 are you trying to be a joke?... sure make an ass out of yourself. so you know previous gun laws of various states of Australia? Auto weapons were available in Tas and Qld right up till the PA shootings. you claim to be American on your page so you would know all about the various problems with gun ownership in your own country. how many states allow ownership of auto weapons in the USA?

i thought you would be smarter for your age but your a goose... just like the kiddies. yep

[1davidlister1]

@1AussieAvenger1

No not a Yank. Don't believe everything you read online mate! ;)

And yes, fully automatic rifles were most certainly illegal in QLD at the time and were not used in The Port Arthur Massacre.

Seriously, why are you arguing the FACTS which I stated in my post ^^ above?

Fair enough if you are don't like private firearm ownership, we can agree to disagree.

However, running around with wild arguments and insults does not add to the credibility of your opinions.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@1davidlister1 if one isn't honest of their origin/country then who's credibility is at risk? CAR-15 SP1 (Colt AR-15 Sport 1 same as found at PA) has (since 1966) 4 selector mode, safe, auto, semi-auto, and burst (which standard is 3 but can be modified to 2 or 6 shots). this same model weapon was handed in during a Vic amnesty and re-sold in Tas where laws allowed it. thats proven fact.

im not against gun ownership at all, its growing, but all for safe regulation. justification before right.

[1AussieAvenger1]

@1davidlister1 and if you believe that there is no SKS / AK47 weapons or similar within Australian society you are sadly misinformed. gun reforms had begun to take effect in Australia due to Milperra, Hoddle St, Strathfield, and other weapons related incidents, but its only after PA that federal govt made it law over all states. i remember seeing M-16s and Armalite rifles available in Qld. i also remember how easy it was to catch a ferry to Tas from Vic and bring back anything. thats FACTS

[codebasher1]

29 cases found but fired 45-50+ rounds Where the hell did she learn too count .

. I am sick and tired of everytime some piece of shit drug dealer or fuckwit with a gun that they were never legally allowed to own kills someone and the innocent were worthless tripe like this every time.

Face it, Bryant was diagnosed with a mental illness BEFORE Port Arthur, so who failed in taking the weapons away from him, that's if he even was allowed to have them. When will the govt take responsibility?