Scientology. What I saw working on staff

[1alvar]

some churches or religions have been created to make money, and that is a fact that cannot be denied, my father became a victim of a money hungry priest, the first time i met this freeloader he used to behave like a business man , he stole money from the church to buy real state , estate, sorry, but life and destiny took care of this false preach and he ended up loosing everything he had,and without any remorse, he showed up at my father,s home begging for money to go back to his country,

[iamitchey]

@1alvar Gandhi use to say when ever he looked at all the injustice in the world one thought that use to console him was his conviction that Justice would always prevail in the end. It sounds like the preacher you mentioned got a taste of this.

[1alvar]

EL MUNDO ESTA LLENO DE GENTE INFLADA Y ARROGANTE, LOGRAN HACER DINERO, DE REPENTE Y DE LA NADA SALEN AMIGOS QUE NO SON CONOCIDOS Y SI ERES ARROGANTE Y ENGREIDO LES CREES TODO LO QUE TE DICEN,PERO EN UNA DESCUIDADA TE QUITAN HASTA LOS CALZONES Y TE DEJAN COMO EL PERRO DANDO VUELTAS Y VUELTAS QUERIENDO ALCANZAR SU COLA, ESA CLASE DE AMIGOS LOS HAY POR CARRETADAS, PONTE TRUCHA CON TU DINERO, NO VAYAS A TERMINAR DE BUEY LISTO PARA EL ARADO, MONEY TALKS BULLSHIT WALKS, COMPRENDE MI AMIGO,TRUUUUUUCHA

[AnonNumberZero]

Anonymous supports you Mitchey! Best of luck to you!

[vaLLarrr]

you're a real fool.

because some idiot girl "claimed" to have this "power" somehow "means" that Scientology "promises" these things?

a complete lie.

Scientology never promises any such thing.

*rollseyes*

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I don't know which version of Scientology you were introduced to, but when I first joined everyone was talking about OT powers, out of body experiences, and mind over matter experiences as though Scientology enabled people to attain these so gifts.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

there's only one "version" of Scientology.

and Scientology can't be responsible for what people are "talking about."

people once "talked about" the earth being flat, and Christians claimed to have seen witches.

that doesn't mean they did see them, or that it's Martin Luther's or the Pope's "fault" that they "talked about it."

Scientology promises no such thing as these "powers" you speak of, and just because you BOUGHT something is not Scientology's "fault" either.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr

I don't know how much exposure you have had to Scientology but I'm glad to see your on youtube watching and listening to some of the former members tell their stories.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

I have PLENTY of exposure to Scientology, more than you I have no doubt.

and I have stories of my own, and am well aware that Scientology doesn't always get it right.

what does.

nothing.

your "point" is ridiculous.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr What was my point that you find ridiculous?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

that you think because YOU had bad experiences in Scientology, that you think MOST people do, when the truth is exactly the OPPOSITE.

just because YOU are ridiculous for being a gullible fool who listened to "people's stories" is not Scientology's "fault."

not too bright, are you.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I may not be the smartest guy in the world but I'm no longer in a religion which requires payment for an illusion of spiritual advancement.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

oh good thing it's not an "illusion" of spiritual advancement, which I happen to know for a fact.

if you were brighter, maybe you would have realized that while there was still time.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr My life is much more meaningful and fulfilling now that I'm out of Scientology. I have had my share of problems and struggles like most people, but after I came to know for a fact there really is a God Scientology started to look like a philosophy of manipulation which keeps people from finding the simple answers that come from within. What have they taught you about God, faith, hope, love. prayer or forgiveness? I know the answer to that. Nothing, and yet they use the cross of Jesus

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

well good for you.

knock yourself out.

no problem.

have a nice life.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

and Scientology has taught me PLENTY about God, faith, hope, love, prayer and forgiveness.

as well as a great many OTHER things.

and the "cross" of Scientology happens to be an 8 pointed star, and is NOT simply a cross, and has nothing whatever to do with "Jesus."

as usual, you don't know what you're talking about.

what else is new.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Please tell me which Scientology books talk about the importance of seeking Gods will.

Can you show me where Hubbard talks about the importance of following a spiritual path in which we God is in charge, or the importance of seeking Gods will in all of our affairs?

Can you direct me to any of Hubbards quotes where he addresses the importance of seeking Gods forgiveness as well as learning to forgive others?

Jesus left a powerful message which Hubbard conveniently forgot to mention

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey oh the ethics book of course. god will is as much in charge of things as it is in Buddhism. so? now you're going to tell me Buddhism is not a religion, or that Buddha didn't preach love and forgiveness? and forgiving others? you mean like this? "The hardest task one can have is to continue to love his fellows despite all reasons he should not. And the true sign of sanity and greatness is to so continue." L. Ron Hubbard

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I have Scientologies Introduction to ethics book in front of me. Please show me where Hubbard address the principles of God that I mentioned?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

look up the 8th Dynamic.

just because you're too dense to understand what that is is really your problem, y'know?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

why can't "God" be the Buddhist conception of God?

who says YOUR conception is "right?"

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I'm not sure that everything I believe about my conception of God is correct, but I have witnessed that a good part of what Jesus taught has been true in my own life. Especially the points he made about letting go of worry, knowing that God will meet my needs as long as I'm not living outside of his will. From what I remember about Buddhism it has some similar beliefs as Christianity but I don't know enough about it to argue pro or con but I do know there is a God who assists me.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

oh, you mean what you think "Jesus" taught, assuming there even was such a person.

funny, I basically follow those words too, whether he actually said them or not, or even existed is irrelevant, since wisdom is wisdom anyway.

and God assists me too.

but Scientology is much MUCH more than that.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Scientology convinces its members that their philosophy and practices lead to enlightenment and freedom, and at this stage of your experiences I don't think I could convince you otherwise, but let me ask you a couple questions. If Scientology auditing was the panacea they claim how come they don't give it away for free?

If you came to me searching out answers about my beliefs or counseling I would be my pleasure to help at no charge.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr One of the greatest lessons I was taught after leaving Scientology is that God truly does take care of our needs as long as we aren't asking for something outside of his desire for us. I once believed Scientology embodied all the principles I needed for spiritual growth, but as I became more aware Gods assistance in my life it became more evident that Hubbard religion overlooked the most important principles and truths that enable men to rise above their character imperfections.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

where is it written that "God" has to "take care of all our needs," or that He is something sitting on a throne "up there?"

you?

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I never said God has to take care of all our needs, but Jesus did have some encouraging things about this.

Matthew 6:25-27 “Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is not life more important than food, and the body more important than clothes? Look at the birds of the air; they do not sow or reap or store away in barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not much more valuable than they?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

how do you know there even WAS a Jesus?

and why don't supermarkets give food away to African countries for free?

why don't all doctors treat all patients for free, especially when they're first starting out trying to repay their student loans?

why don't churches let the homeless live at their churches for free?

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Since Jesus isn't alive today we only have the historic evidence as recorded in the bible and the remaining art and artifacts. What makes him seem credible to me is the kind of wisdom he spoke in many of his sermons and the way his words effect me. I can't prove his existence to you any more than you can prove that Hubbards theory of past life engrams is correct.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

the fact that you are apparently too ignorant to realize that all of the wisdom Jesus was purported to have said was said by OTHERS EARLIER than Jesus was purported to have lived, such as in the Dead Sea Scrolls and elsewhere is not my problem.

furthermore, I have PERSONALLY recalled and observed past life engrams MANY MANY MANY times, and you never met Jesus ONCE.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr

You believe Scientology embodies the path to truth and enlightenment and I don't. I do believe man is a spiritual being with a greater potential for growth, but after working in a Scientology mission for a year I saw to many things that didn't make sense. I left Scientology in order to see what other religions had to offer. In my quest for truth I came to discover the wisdom of Jesus which seemed far more advanced than anything I learned in Scientology..

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

oh, I don't simply "believe" it.

I KNOW it, having observed it to work countless times MYSELF.

unlike YOU, of course.

and of course, you don't say what in the subject of Scientology didn't "make sense."

naturally.

and too bad for you, you don't even know if Jesus EXISTED or not, and the fact that all his "wisdom" was said by OTHERS first and EARLIER.

but hey, that's your business.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I like how Scientology goes after the corruption in mental health profession, and some of their study tech but I came to have a problem with their theology once I studied the wisdom of Jesus and saw the difference.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

oh you mean the wisdom that YOU THINK came from "Jesus," but you really haven't the faintest idea if it did?

and maybe didn't at ALL?

got it.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Yes I'm believing in something I can't see or prove so one could argue I might be caught up in a man made fairy tail. It's not as if I never questioned this possibility but I try reading some of the things Jesus said and see what kind of impression it leaves in you.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

that's right. you might be caught up in a man made fairy tale.

and I've read EVERYTHING Jesus is PURPORTED to have said at one time or another.

that is, if there actually WAS a Jesus, and someone ELSE didn't say it FIRST, and someone merely put those words in "Jesus'" MOUTH.

so.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr

The bottom line is that I can't prove any of my beliefs to you anymore than you can show me why I need to pay Scientology thousands of dollars to remove an engram they claim I received in a past life. When it comes to faith and religion most of us listen to our own hearts and do our best to discern what the truth is. After a year on staff in a Scientology mission I saw far to many contradictions to allow myself to remain with them, and my life is so much better now.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

that's right. you can't prove anything to me and vice versa.

but at least I have observed engrams MYSELF, so you have NOTHING to say about that, or whether Scientology works or not.

unlike YOU who HASN'T observed "Jesus Christ" YOURself.

have a nice life anyway.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I have never observed Jesus Christ, but I have experienced is the peace which came by following some of his principles. Sometimes this meant having to let go of my anger and judgments towards others, or simply realizing I need to give some things over to God that I'm powerless to resolve on my own. I have also observed a great many physical miracles where amazing things happen at perfectly timed intervals. Anyway I'm always willing to share my experiences if your curious.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

oh I understand that.

people experience "peace" from fairy tales all the TIME.

that's why people read them to their kids before bed.

and I don't doubt that you've had wonderful "experiences."

many people in other religions that CONTRADICT Christianity report similar experiences.

good for them and good for you.

and good for the people who obtain peace with fairy tales.

their business, and yours.

have a nice day.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

and unfortunately for your "point," "Jesus Christ," and his purported "principles" might be two entirely different things, since HE may never even have EXISTED at all, and someone ELSE wrote those "principles."

but hey, knock yourself out.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I think the main points of Christs teachings which rang true in my own life is the manner in which things generally seem to work out such as coming up with money to pay bills. It's not that bad crap never happens but percentage wise I've seen to a high a frequency rate of things working out to be a mere coincidence. Of course this doesn't prove a thing about Jesus but in my case it did validate what he said about God taking care of us and why we shouldn't waste time worrying.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

you would rather believe in a pleasant fairy tale because it comforts you, even though it keeps you trapped.

that's your business.

children like believing Santa Claus because it comforts them too.

you are no different.

personally, I would rather know the truth of something, even though it doesn't seem as comforting at FIRST, but in the end is MORE comforting and actually sets you free.

not to mention also makes you smarter, more aware and more powerful.

that's my business.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I could mention quite a few miracles I have experienced in my life but perhaps it wouldn't mean much if you haven't experienced similar events in your own life. Scientology followers might argue that there miracles were simply my own mind somehow manifesting them but I don't believe in this line of thinking. That was one of my main disagreements with Scientology, they seem to think everything that happens to us is our own doing, and they disregard Gods miracles.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Even Jesus never took credit for the miracles he performed. He knew the healing power which came through him as coming from God rather than anything he could create on his own. The main reason I point this out is to show the main difference in how Scientologist think in comparison to Christians. Scientology members often talk about having or developing supernatural powers you never hear it attributed to God.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

you mean IF Jesus actually existed.

and IF he actually performed those miracles.

and EVERYTHING in Scientology is attributed to "God," but that is for each individual in Scientology to find out for themselves.

what good is it to TELL someone something they have no experience of?

then they end up BLINDLY believing it, as YOU have, which does them no good at all.

Scientology lets people observe and know things for themselves, and DOESN'T want them to have blind faith, LIKE YOU.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr I don't think your comment about my "blind faith" is entirely correct. When it comes to Jesus it could be said I'm blindly believing in someone I have never seen, but because of my own life experiences seem to confirm his teachings to be true It's not entirely blind. You yourself also mentioned how God has assisted you in your life so it would seem you must have some understanding of what I'm saying. Scientology claims to have a life changing therapy shouldn't God be a part of it?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

you mean what YOU THINK are "his" teachings," when they could have been taught by someone ELSE, and Jesus never actually existed.

I am not talking about the "teachings," which I have no problem with.

nor do I have a problem with "God," who IS a part of it.

just not Jesus.

who's he, and how do you know he even existed.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Nine secular, non-Christian sources mention Jesus within the 150 years: Josephus, the Jewish historian; Tacitus, the Roman historian; Pliny the Younger, a politician of Rome; Phlegon, a freed slave who wrote histories; Lucian, the Greek satirist; Celsus, a Roman philosopher; and probably the historians Suetonius and Thallus, as well as the prisoner Mara Bar-Serapion. In all, at least forty-two authors, nine of them secular, mention Jesus within 150 years of his death. To be continued.

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

it is the EXISTENCE of Jesus Christ in which you have blind faith, not any "teachings."

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr In the public eye Scientology takes a neutral position concerning God and claims they allow people to believe what ever they want, but if there really is a God who helps us in our struggles and growth, doesn't that leave some serious questions about Scientology authenticity for not having this as a central theme in their theology?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

not at all.

Buddhism does exactly the same, and no one questions its "authenticity."

your opinion as to what should be a "central theme" in someone's theology is simply that.

your opinion, and not a fact.

your opinion is no more "right" than anyone else's.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr From my prospective we are surrounded in overwhelming evidence which points to there being a creator, and you admit God has assisted you in your life Since our creator went to all the trouble of making us don't you think he might have a message that should be a part of every religion and perhaps a unique purpose for your life?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

what does a creator have to do with "Jesus."

nothing.

and He DOES have a message, and speaks to each of us individually.

what's wrong with that.

nothing.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Nothing is wrong with that. This is my point. If God speaks to each of us individually than Scientology should not have been so silent concerning God and how he interacts in our lives.

Scientology promotes itself as a religion which leads mankind into spiritual wholeness and enlightenment and yet the don't feel it necessary to mention things such as prayer, trust in God, living by faith and seeking his will in all of our affairs. Don't you see something very wrong here?

[vaLLarrr]

@iamitchey

I disagree. why should Scientology comment on each individual's experience with God?

that is for THEM to comment on, not Scientology, since each of their experiences may be DIFFERENT.

and these things you mention are part of the CHRISTIAN faith.

they're NOT necessarily part of the Buddhist faith, for instance.

who is to say what YOU think is "necessary" is what is "right" for everyone?

you?

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Like many others when I joined Scientology is was because their lectures and books suggested they had all the answers to help me find my full potential and enlighten my spirit. They did such a good job of convincing the members they had all the answers some signed a Billion year contracts while others mortgaged their homes and took out loans to pay for courses and auditing. I will further answer your question in the next part of this thread.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr The reason Scientology didn't cover the principles of God is because they knew if people knew the truth they wouldn't need Scientology. They would realize that a majority of mankind's suffering is not so much from engrams as it is from our spiritual sins of not keeping Gods laws. I realize to you this is my opinion and you don't perceive the truth in what I am saying, but this is the conviction I came to after spending time exploring Scientology and Christianity.

[iamitchey]

@vaLLarrr Nine secular, non-Christian sources mention Jesus within the 150 years: Josephus, the Jewish historian; Tacitus, the Roman historian; Pliny the Younger, a politician of Rome; Phlegon, a freed slave who wrote histories; Lucian, the Greek satirist; Celsus, a Roman philosopher; and probably the historians Suetonius and Thallus, as well as the prisoner Mara Bar-Serapion. In all, at least forty-two authors, nine of them secular, mention Jesus within 150 years of his death.

[lonelyheroine]

@vaLLarrrr, A bit of LRH's beliefs: Operating Thetan levels 3, 4, 5, 6 and 7 are all to do with getting rid of "body thetans". These body thetans are the souls of dead space aliens murdered by Xenu, 75 million years ago.

Scientologists believe that 75 million years ago an evil galactic ruler, named Xenu, solved overpopulation by bringing trillions of people to Earth in DC-8 space planes, stacking them around volcanoes & nuking them. Then the souls of these dead space aliens were captured"

.

[lonelyheroine]

And it costs members hundred thousands of $ to find out how to "clear one's body and and learn all the wonderful things that being thetan-free will give you. I think I've made my point.

[sharkattacksteve]

@iamitchey Thanks for uploading this and I'm happy you got out. My sisters been in for like 30 years and so are her children as far as I know.

[roughcutone2]

Sorry, but you try way too hard in being convincing that you were on "staff", like that means anything.

and yes, I am agnostic

[Chameleonardodavinci]

That part about the cigarettes and cancer made me put my hands to my face and weep. I give up, the human race is going to the dogs.

[iamitchey]

@O8ZERVA Thankfully no.

[Themexicanguanorat]

People that must fall for this must be really lost...

I feel bad for them.

But then, some people will almost believe anything. It's just...sad.

[Themexicanguanorat]

I think anyone would a grasp of logic would realize scientology is bullcrap.

Okay, so this group of people who have only been around since what? the 80s? created by some sci fi writer have managed to find all this advance knowledge that have elluded scientists and doctors for years, yet they have access to stuff that magically cures people, and fixes all their personal problems simply and easily. 

[supermandan85]

Regarding the poor individuals that consider suicide, I am saddened to hear this news, and hope that you know you have potentially greater friends in strangers than in your "friends" in your religion. Please reach out for help even where you think it is doubtful you'll find any, in perfect strangers. You may be surprised. We'll be there for you. Reach out your hand and someone will hold on to it...

[theroob]

Anyone who tells you Sci are normal people who act like everyone else is probably a sci with no perspective on what normal behavior is

[theroob]

I worked for a Scientology owned and run company a few blocks from Flag for several years. While all of the scientologists working at the company were public scientologists (not on sci staff) my experiences with scientologists were very very similar to yours. -unverifiable claims of powers - chain smoking -past life nonsense -unreasonable proclamations that they will make things happen and much much weirder behavior nearly daily.

[jhouse0970]

I believe in Scientology because this guy is Dale Earnhardt Sr.

[pburto]

Scientologist: "I used to be a great pianist. I REMEMBER IT."

Joe Blow: "Do you remember how to play the piano?"

Scientologist: "Uh, No."

Joe Blow: "Why not?"

Scientologist: "SP! SP! SP!"

[thesunreport]

glad you kept hold of yourself through it all mate. hope you're doing well in your life now, ; )

[Fug118TheGreat]

I doubt you have ever staffed or even been inside an org.

[iamitchey]

@Fug118TheGreat

I worked for a Scientology mission.

What I say might seem hard to believed if your new to Scientology. I'm sure the new members are taught a highly polished version which seems quite reasonable in the initial sages.

[Fug118TheGreat]

@iamitchey

I have literally been in Scientology for as long as I've been alive. If you really WERE on staff how high up the bridge were you?

[fedgeno]

Belief is an extremely powerful thing. Disbelief is just as powerful. It doesn't work when you're competing with someone who has an opposite belief. You just go into a telepathic wresting match. That's why they don't do it in front of you like parlor tricks. I'm not a Scientologist or religious at all. This is just my experience.

[shoegooguru]

thanks!

[GloriousReturns]

I agree with you about scientology and "blab it, grab it", of course, the same can be said about many forms of fundamentalist Christianity. In the end, I think it just comes down to many people being ignorant, and insecure, and wanting the good fairy (God, L. Ron Hubbard, or whoever) to fix problems that they themselves refuse to take responsibility for. Your mileage may vary.

[LFraudHubbard]

Scientology is no match for the internetz

[2Roo7ted]

The power of belief, what the man's soul believes will rule his destiny, it's belief can create a fantasy world in the real world, and can prefrom magic simply by believing in magic, it is all an illusion, proformed so well you end up believing, and get drawn into fairy tale world, like kids playing imagionation. The power of belief can plunge a man into depression that suicide is the only way to escape the pain. You were lucky you were too poor to take lessons.

[Inszz]

"I decided I was going to win the lottery" haha that's priceless.. If only it were that easy!

[mattkingnz]

i enjoyed that video..i had to laugh coz i know exactly wat u mean ..its actually the scientologists that ruin scientology..i dont go to the org for that reason .. but the data itself i still find flawless

[iamitchey]

@mattkingnz

I would like to hear more on your comment about the data being flawless. Which parts? From what I experienced most of Scientology is Science fiction not real life stuff.

[Fug118TheGreat]

@iamitchey

Why did you join staff if you hated all of it?

[iamitchey]

@Fug118TheGreat In the initial stages I loved Scientology. It offered me the hope that I could better myself and an active social life as well. Not all of it was bad but in the later stages I did have some unpleasant experiences and ultimately concluded that the people who were suppose to be spiritually advanced were no different than non Scientologists.

They fought. They got angry, jealous, Many smoked. They had relationship problems. Over eating problems. Some drank. etc.

[seagullshame]

thanks for posting your stories,

[joyandian]

good on you for getting out

what made you want to get involved to begin with?

[iamitchey]

What attracted me to Scientology was my own unhappiness. I knew something was wrong with me, and from everything I was told about Scientology they were suppose to have all the answers to help me find my greatest potential.

[iownmyhamster]

@iamitchey

Happy your alive! =)

[desertgod]

so you were once in the cult?

I applaud you once for getting out and second thunderous applause for also having the courage to stand up, i give 5 stars for courage :)

[CameoCollections]

Another great video! WTG. The new mic does work great. Keep up the good work.

[pedrofcuk]

The parking spot one is quite common, so OTs can park their cars, haha lol! Clear is when you realise you never had a reactive mind to begin with. Hubbard admits Dianetics doesn't work, the vids on here, I'll try find the link, hmm, I can't sign in to Ex Scientologist Message Board, weird...

[michigananon]

Thanks for your insights.

Glad you made it out with your mind.

[butsnif]

yes we could be like parts of a greater being, would that make us all small gods?

[butsnif]

maybe we all have magic powers! without scientology!

[iamitchey]

The way I see it we are at best vehicles for Gods magic, but not even Jesus claimed to have power of his own.

[hellsingorg2]

im not a big god fan but yes. i agree. if there is a god, his goodness. ( spelling might b wrong sorry) comes out of us. thank you for this story. till then stay safe my friend.

[HoneyCallMeAnonymous]

thank you.

[wilmaohman]

i washed a dirty window, then it was clear.now i know how your brain becomes clear it gets washed.just like that window did.lol lmao

[Hammurabanon]

Awesome info...what a scam. I'm very glad you were able to successfully blow the cult.

[Nagneto]

Welcome back to the real world iamitchey.

May the truth set them free.

[Avery1now]

Thanks for this video.

[MARYBLEUZ]

great video--great stories from the inside!

It sounds like all are processed to lie! Maybe not willingly but they have to have some type of win in order to "move up the bridge" correct?

It sounds like their sense of reality is stripped away as the hypnosis (auditing) increases! Some are able to handle it and those who question it become almost psychotic thinking there is something wrong with them for questioning the tech. (is this correct?)

[iamitchey]

I'm not sure what criteria Scientology uses to determine when a member is ready for the next level of indoctrination, but I think your correct in that ones connection to reality becomes weaker over time. I would not say those of us to questioned Scientology assumed there was something wrong with us, but over time I learned to keep some of my doubts to my self, because once it was known I was doubting Scientology, it meant I would be sent to our ethics department, where they would fix me.

[garethac81]

"I used to be captain of a great ship!"

"I used to a great race car driver!"

"I used to be a great pianist!"

If there's one way to know that a reincarnation story is false, it's the use of the word "great". Oh, of course, everyone with a past life was someone of great importance, right? What a crock of shit.

[MissCandyDarling]

Yes, and you'll also get multiple people saying they were the same person. That is something ex-Scientologists have reported--auditing multiple people who said they had previously been Napoleon or Julius Caesar or whoever.

[jdtrickster4]

I used to be a big loser in my past life but now that I've found $cientology, it doesn't matter cause I've no life outside the kult. LoL

The moral of 'this' story is when you're IN or have BOUGHT INTO a kult's "think" -to use a '$ciLentology' term- you lose all sense of reality & common sense. Others would say, you're brainwashed or indoctrinated. I think it's a combination of all of the above & a matter of degree. But you're definitely under the influence & OTHER-DETERMINED<=another $cn term.

[chasenoface]

5/5 great vid!

[FreedomToResearch]

i have a theory maybe when a sci thinks they are exteriorizing maybe they are actually interiorizing. They are accessing their dreamy imagination where a lifetime of stored mental pictures and movies and events real and imagined. Then convinced to confuse reality with past life experiences . This seems a more plausible reality based conclusion, unless you can prove reincarnation.

[iamitchey]

I came to the same conclusion as you. It would seem as though ones dreamy imagination can become more real than reality it self, and if you study hypnosis, its easier to understand how delusional one can become. Ron Hubbard once said, "There is a worse condition than blindness. Seeing something that isn't there" As a hypnotist I suppose he would know.

[cloak616]

Thnx for relaying these stories man. How you likin Rusty's comments? Not paying attention is he?

Tell me something....the story about the woman who couldn't "see" how many fingers you were holding up. Did your revealing her inability to exteriorize invalidate her first exteriorization experience at all?

Because if it did, then Rusty is wrong. And if it didn't then Rusty should start wondering why the fuck not.

[nogodscanuck]

Thanks for the firsthand infor, priceless.

[hhubble]

Great Info Indy. Merry Christmas to you too. I hope change is coming in the new year, and one really big cult goes bye bye. I've been real good, hope Santa delivers hehe.

[darthspeaks]

When you close off a good group of people from reality you can really get them to do anything.

[pippigladstone]

wow! cool, thanks for telling me.

[Rustyforexman]

Im a scientologist. Can I say. I have heard a lot of stories similar to what this man is saying.

There is a naivity amongst SOME scientologists, where they believe they can achieve all these things with the tech - and they somehow get false data from other people.

L Ron Hubbard doesnt actually preach this stuff, a lot of scientologists just become naieve.

L Ron Hubbard always says you must take responsibility, and use KRC. Someone cant win the lottery, just by deciding! its stupid.

[doctorspinbin]

LRH does say stuff like that - like the EP of L12 is fully exterior with full perception. he also says in the R&D Series that you can cure bad eyesight by just deciding it. he also says in one of SHSBC Lectures that he left his body and went to the Van Allen Belt (radiation belt in earth's atmosphere) and to an implant station on Venus - these are his words, not naieve scientologists. so where do you think people get it from? they can't make shit like that up!

[iamitchey]

Rustyforexman, I'm glad to see your willing to look at the unfavorable youtube videos on Scientology. I think you will discover as I did, that Mr Hubbard does indeed makes claims which are right in line with everything I have said. Are you new to youtube?

[Rustyforexman]

no im not new to youtube Ive had to change accounts a few times cause of being attacked by members of anonymous.

Would you guys believe me, if I said I had experience going exterior in an auditing session before. Because I sure as hell did!

But I think what i was commenting on was the comment in the video that someone went out of their body and then fixed the car

I mean you cant take away experience from someone. What im talking about, is the fact that scientologists do like the idea.

[Rustyforexman]

of being told they are spirit with infinite power Which I think tends to lead to exageration.

But the thing is, you can never invalidate anyone on their experience.

Its like when I play golf, and do the sweetest shot on a Par 4, and somehow get a hole in one. I have never done it before in my whole golfing experience, and yet when I did it - there was absolutely no one around to experience it with me. And when i go tell someone about it they dont believe me!

Samething with scientology

[parrotnutz]

We have all had experiences like that! Ever since I was a small child, I`ve had experiences where I felt I was floating above my body and looking down on it; it doesn`t mean jack shit....

[iamitchey]

My lady friend was also sure she had gone exterior just like you, or she would not have attempted to prove it to me. Part of the problem of being hypnotized is it causes us to loose some of our critical thinking skills, where reality and fantasy are hard to distinguish, but even if you had left your body, it doesn't change the fact that Scientology for the most part a scam, and anyone who does an internet search on it can learn the truth, assuming they have the mental capacity to recognize it.

[anon8109]

Pure gold. Thanks for sharing!

[commanderinqueef]

I could listen to this stuff for hours.