I did several Throwdowns while posting Wing Tsun theory on there. Sirc ended up challenging me, I believe thinking a Chunner would never show up. I took the bait and did. I just put most of the Bullshido film on private status.
@DrTzeus Nice man! Im glad you showed that young punk what he needed to see. That he sucks and an older gentleman and wing chunger beat the crap out of him and embarassed him. I bet he is shamed man and stops talking crap to you. Its sad people are so hostile online. I am not big into WC but I know it has its effectiveness and I like some of the concepts all though not the chi sau sparring they do.
funny even more because the ropes tricked me earlier and messed up my timing. I had NEVER been into a ring before I arrived, so when we went into the ropes at 1:10 he sprung back at me, I was very surprised!!! I learn quick though......
After viewing this another time I'm starting to wonder about the advice shouted from the corners... EG telling DTT to punch from the guard position, telling him to go for a choke when he didn't have position. The rest of the time the advice seemed to just be "punch". I won't contest that since that's probably what you trained in though.
My cornerman was very excited and he does punch from every angle. The choke he referred to was to reach up and grab the head/neck with both hands and crank it back as hard as possible. I knew what he meant and it would be something to do in mortal combat, but not in sport.
@DrTzeus Well I guess I shouldn't be that quick to judge, as I don't have any experience competing. I'm not so sure you couldn't do this neck crank in sport though. Neck cranks can lead to submissions. We do them at my gym. Is this particular one lethal or something? (like the marine way of killing someone)
To do it I would have had to lean way forward and that would have set my leg up for a mean leg bar. I also coould have kicked at his face with my other leg but head kicks on a grounded fighter were against the rules. I just rested and caught my wind and waited to see what knee bar he would do, since knee bars are his claimed specialty.
My corner should have been yelling "freeing leg!!" to remind me to push away with my left leg against his back/hip.
i don't think he would've been able to turn around a guillotine or would've gotten the leg hold on you...but im no expert or mma fighter...it just looked like you had control at that point. from what i could tell (being no expert) locking that in would've saved you a bit of a workout for the rest of the fight. you were primed for it!. but hey you may be right..he might've gotten your leg. but it looked as if "oh **** he's gonna lock it in" was more predominant in his head.
Congratulations man, for a guy who does not do any hard sparring you totally dominated the stand up game, it shows your system is quite good.
I didn't expect you to do well since I know you don't train that hard, no offense. Imagine what someone who actually trains seriously in WT can achieve.
After Springer and Rudy I did not expect you to be the first TMA to school the bullshido punks lol
The one in the red shirt does Judo and MMA, which I think is BJJ. There is some joking about how he doesn't actually do "BJJ' even though he tried to win by submission with Arm bars and leg locks.
Good point, leg locks are forbidden in most BJJ schools until higher levels. I have a Machado BJJ book with one on the cover though, and about 22 inside....
He tried arm bars too though, which have been banned from some Judo tournies, so it really is a riddle...:-)
IMHO, the Gracies used Judo literature to improve the Jitsu they started with, and with in MMA now, ground work is just called BJJ, unless it's wrestling. So I just call that stuff BJJ.
Armbars banned from judo? If you mean a straight armbar, jujigatame, I find that very hard to believe. Some shoulder locks are banned from judo but not armbars. You might as well say boxing and wing chun are the same thing because they both punch.
Ya, I read that about arm bars in the lower level competition here in California.
Judo has three types of training: Striking which is only done as Kata, grappling, and throws. Regular Judo seems to be more "stand up" with throws and BJJ seems to be more "grounded" with "grappling". But they are the same thing, it just depends on how much and what you learn first....Gracie BJJ is EXACTLY Feldenkrais "Higher Judo: Ground Work", 1952.
Hey, I just thought of this the other day. Gracies took Judo in a different direction and didn't want to be limited by the sport of Judo. They created their own sport so they had to call it something different. If they had called it Brazilian Judo it would have created to many political issues with the sport of Judo itself.
It is all Judo after Kano........unless it is karate.
Judo was still sometimes called jiu jitsu at the time Maeda came to Brazil, and judo wasn't really known as a sport until the thirties. At that time judo had a stronger emphasis on groundwork than it does today. As far as I know there was never a conscious choice to split from judo.
Also I would be surprised if BJJ is "exactly" anything from 1952, even in the last few years BJJ at the highest levels has changed (X guard, half guard strategies) and judo changes all the time as well.
@mthai66 "Judo[5] was originally known as Kano Jiu-Jitsu or Kano Jiu-Do, and later as Kodokan Jiu-Do or simply Jiu-Do or Judo. In the early days, it was also still referred to generically simply as Jiu-Jitsu.[6]" Judo article on wikipedia.
The Kodokan was established but Judo could hardly be said to be "going in the direction of sport" at such an early stage. Maeda left Japan in 1904, Judo was not an olympic sport until 1964.
The basic BJJ I was taught as a beginner was exactly Feldenkrais "Higher Judo: Ground Work." However this was in the mid 1990's and just the beginner stuff.
There was a notion then that Gracie BJJ had stagnated being Masters of this subset of techniques, very effective, and that they were stalling out awarding Black Belts because they didn't have much else (nor did they need it!). Machados, and others progressed the art, as did MMA sports. It has gone much beyond "higher Judo" now.
Reading presentation and other comments probably I guess what happened...
I like very much your profile, above all the "If I want to read your opinion I will go to a forum like Bullshido" and immediatly I subscribed your channel!
thumbs up man good job. you could have really messed him up with some (illegal) strikes like you train for but you showed a lot of restraint and played the sport fighting game. and dominated him while you were at it.
thats bad ass man. These guys gotta get off your ass then, I think it's pretty clear your system works. Yes you do have the weight advantage but that shouldn't mean much if anything when your competing in a match you don't train for, and most of what you practice can't be applied. Anyone saying your system is garbage might as well be saying your opponent is even worse then garbage.
And on another note: man its awesome to see some E-thug martial artists and UFC heads get shut up!
Yes, and I do not do any hard contact sparring in practice. Mostly chi sau and some applications, and then play with my heavy bag, wooden dummy, and some weight training.
Well done. You beat a sports fighter at his own game, in a situation you don't train for, with rules that limit the techniques of your art. These more than balance out the weight advantage you had.
DTT lacked the leverage, from that position, to "blast his ribs" and when he DID have the leverage to "blast his ribs" at the 7:14 mark, he was shown to lack the skill, power and technique to do it.
At the 2:42 mark, he wasn't in a position to punch with power and he wasn't in a position to go for a submission. Look at their feet. DTT wasn't going to get his back and hold it.
at 2:42 I could have done a downward elbow to his lowest ribs, a very power full strike on a very weak target. We had some issues in the rules around the downward elbow strike, and I knew Sirc was competent in knee bars, so I was trying to focus on feeling where he was going instead of risking a foul.
I know what Cripple wanted, and in a real fight I might have tried to reach up and pull his head back HARD to get hold of his sides of his neck with a claw, but not in an MMA match.
You are disregarding Sirc's ability to have elbowed you in return. Your palm on his bicep wouldn't have negated a rear elbow strike, so the "i could have dropped an elbow" argument is negated. You weren't in position to do damage with that ruleset and you would have been in a push position had the ruleset been altered.
Yes, but to elbow he would have had to release his ankle hold. You read me wrong anyway, I didn't do an elbow because I needed to be focused on his ankle hold.
what do ya wieght out at PoeGlove....wouldn't want ya sniveling about that....I'm acually 194 on the nose now.....if your such an expert please try your nonsense with me or shut your pie hole. I evedently have to deal with this shit now, so I'm game. Wanna Dance or ya gonna just keep typing...???
And what will that prove, exactly? It's really pathetic how much he's patting himself on his back. There's plenty of people who are in the same state as you who are roughly the same size who would happily comply. If your man wants I'm sure someone else would do it. Seriously, he BARELY survived against someone 40lbs smaller.
According to the people there who overheard you talking to Sirc you claimed to have weighted 183lbs. So you're a liar now as well? According to the people there there was also a concession on Sirc's part to not crank any holds, right? You're lucky he let go of that kneebar or you wouldn't be walking for the next 2 years. You were rolling the wrong way.
video or it didn't happen. I never said the number 183, so you are full of it. I did tell his corner I weighed 173 that morning but had gotten as high as 185lbs in training. I agree Sirc was cool about the kneebars, and I was cool about not elbowing, as we agreed. I did have a weight advantage and I did have a close fight, but considering I was asked to remove a large part of what I do to follow the rules, while he got to do EXACTLY what he trains to do, I did fine.
@MrPoeglove the bottom line is he did survive punk.....you think you can beat either DTT or myself.....either chioce could end with you looking like Curc or worse depending which one of us ya fought....I often have to fight people 60lbs more than me....I don't loose to very often ( 10 losses in well over 150 ) do the math junior
Oh is that right? 150 fights? Only 10 losses? What are you doing here yelling at random internet strangers then? Why you should be out there making hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting professionally. You are ridiculous. I live in New York. You want to fly me out there, I'm all game.
why shouldn't I enjoy my victory? Did you read the insults and threats Sirc rallied at me for several months before this? and not only him, the vast majority of those clowns over at bullsido said I would chicken out, tap or lose in the first few seconds, etc....
Sirc said some of the rudest things possible and you call me pathetic for a few things I have said about how wrong he was.
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. You want me to come play with your mouth? He's only 10lbs lighter than you, how is that even comparable? Why not set him up with someone who is closer to his weight? It's incredibly clear that he would not survive at all. Take this to heart, he BARELY survived against someone who is 40lbs lighter than him. Barely.
If you mean someone my weight that trained as shitty as Sirc and who forgot to bring a mouth piece and wraps/tape because he is more into the theatrics and not the fight, then no. They told us no cutting elbows at the start, which I was cool with, but if he has my weight I would not have excepted that. It would have been a very different fight.
Who is to say because I would have done everything different against a bigger man. and 200 minus 178 is not 10 but 22.
Curc knew the weight difference when he made the choice to challenge.....his ego was the deciding factor that led to his defeat.Many think WT people are chumps just talking, now little curc may think twice before he lets his mouth write a check his body can't cash ;-)
Uh no. It wasn't ego. Clearly, your guy would not fair well against anybody remotely close to his weight class. Trying to move 40lbs is ridiculous. If they were 10lbs in weight closer, your man would've been destroyed. Have him try sparring someone close to his weight class. See how well he does. He barely survived someone 4 weight classes below him. Let that sink in.
So far as bullshido tells it, it's about 40lbs. That's about 20kg. I don't think that people are really seeing that the bigger guy barely survived a fight with someone much smaller than him.
as is usual with key board critics much is easy to say from the safety of the computer.....doing is a whole complete issue and given I was right there in the corner I am aware of much not caught by virtue of camera/body angles ;-)
@MrPoeglove Looks like you are full of your keyboard. I didn't weight 183 and Sirc no longer weighs 143. Look, I weighted only about 168lbs last September, and moved myself up to around 180.
He claims he put on 10 pounds for this fight. I don't know when he was lying about his weight and not, but assuming he didn't do it quick as bodyfat, That is good chunk of muscle and he should be very strong, so this lighter/weaker bullshit needs to be dropped.
so aside from the obvious info DTT posted at upper right, he used freeing arms to escape arm bar (last part Siu Nim Tao) frontal Gum Sau (part 4 Siu Nim Tao) against spin kick,classic rotate on back (EBMAS), front kick (all sets) Lan Sau to trap head in corner of ring, wisking arm strike as he seised guys left arm on mat to pull cross body. Using WT does not mean it will look like a movie guys, please know what you are talking about or try me on for size ;-). Be glad to help ya out...lol
If you're talking about the armbar attempt at 2:22ish, that looks like it's simply a matter of SIRC attempting a very poorly set up armbar. He doesn't have his right leg over DTT's head, so DTT just has to sit up. No real technique required.
To be fair, some of what DTT is doing elsewhere in the vid does look like WT though.
Boy, Doc, I am so relieved! I was sooooo worry that insurance claims to social health care will surge BIG time after your match. I am not here to say weather your crap....err....craft is WT or watered down, bastardized WC or whatever, thats not da point. The point is your kid still has a father! Pleaze! Pleaze dont risk your family life for such nonsense again. BTW, what happen to you hair? And when you were on the ground around 5:00, you looked so Bruno. Brah ha ha ha! Cheers! =)
absolute respect to the ebmas fighter if this is a fighter vs fighter match. but if its a style vs style, WT loses either way because none is displayed.
@dvisk do you train Wing Chun anyways? Yes, then please tell in which lineage. Otherwise how do you know what it should look like? I see some good Wing Chun here.
I don't have to read it....I was there ;-). Yes there mixing of techniques and as you have already stated some sloppiness, in your defense you have not spent years ounding and being pounded to get crisp under duress.....you did well and Curc ( chuckles ) has a really bad left side of the dome to address now ;-)
Testosterone's a bitch, but make-up sex makes it all worthwhile.
efflorescencer 3 weeks ago
Was this from the bullshido forums? where did this fight start on the internet or real life?
MaharlikaAWA 4 months ago
@MaharlikaAWA
I did several Throwdowns while posting Wing Tsun theory on there. Sirc ended up challenging me, I believe thinking a Chunner would never show up. I took the bait and did. I just put most of the Bullshido film on private status.
DrTzeus 4 months ago
@DrTzeus Nice man! Im glad you showed that young punk what he needed to see. That he sucks and an older gentleman and wing chunger beat the crap out of him and embarassed him. I bet he is shamed man and stops talking crap to you. Its sad people are so hostile online. I am not big into WC but I know it has its effectiveness and I like some of the concepts all though not the chi sau sparring they do.
MaharlikaAWA 4 months ago
8:46 Most underrated fight technique there is. Shove him in the ropes and beat on him.
billybones69420 11 months ago
@billybones69420
funny even more because the ropes tricked me earlier and messed up my timing. I had NEVER been into a ring before I arrived, so when we went into the ropes at 1:10 he sprung back at me, I was very surprised!!! I learn quick though......
DrTzeus 11 months ago
Woot!
bailewen 1 year ago
brave to take the challengge, should workout for your fitness , it just two round and you look lost your breath, anyway, salute.
tataksarella 1 year ago
@tataksarella
Thanks. I had a slight chest cold I was getting over.
DrTzeus 1 year ago
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shawandrew 1 year ago
After viewing this another time I'm starting to wonder about the advice shouted from the corners... EG telling DTT to punch from the guard position, telling him to go for a choke when he didn't have position. The rest of the time the advice seemed to just be "punch". I won't contest that since that's probably what you trained in though.
shawandrew 1 year ago
@shawandrew
My cornerman was very excited and he does punch from every angle. The choke he referred to was to reach up and grab the head/neck with both hands and crank it back as hard as possible. I knew what he meant and it would be something to do in mortal combat, but not in sport.
DrTzeus 1 year ago
@DrTzeus Well I guess I shouldn't be that quick to judge, as I don't have any experience competing. I'm not so sure you couldn't do this neck crank in sport though. Neck cranks can lead to submissions. We do them at my gym. Is this particular one lethal or something? (like the marine way of killing someone)
shawandrew 1 year ago
@shawandrew
To do it I would have had to lean way forward and that would have set my leg up for a mean leg bar. I also coould have kicked at his face with my other leg but head kicks on a grounded fighter were against the rules. I just rested and caught my wind and waited to see what knee bar he would do, since knee bars are his claimed specialty.
My corner should have been yelling "freeing leg!!" to remind me to push away with my left leg against his back/hip.
DrTzeus 1 year ago
@DrTzeus Thanks for the clarification.
shawandrew 1 year ago
i don't think he would've been able to turn around a guillotine or would've gotten the leg hold on you...but im no expert or mma fighter...it just looked like you had control at that point. from what i could tell (being no expert) locking that in would've saved you a bit of a workout for the rest of the fight. you were primed for it!. but hey you may be right..he might've gotten your leg. but it looked as if "oh **** he's gonna lock it in" was more predominant in his head.
prawdaeh 1 year ago
Anyone got weigh-in weights?
And wow Sirc needs some halp with everything he does.
weirdfanguy 1 year ago
@weirdfanguy
Sirc, 153 lbs, DTT 178 lbs
Sirc age 23, DTT age 39
DrTzeus 1 year ago
Nice to see a WT man stepping up and shutting them up. You did us all proud.
chainpuncher 1 year ago 2
Congratulations man, for a guy who does not do any hard sparring you totally dominated the stand up game, it shows your system is quite good.
I didn't expect you to do well since I know you don't train that hard, no offense. Imagine what someone who actually trains seriously in WT can achieve.
After Springer and Rudy I did not expect you to be the first TMA to school the bullshido punks lol
Kudos
redtortoise76 1 year ago
1/2 of bullshido wants to kill Sirc. I wouldn't take him as representitive of the site.
He's a douche.
mthai66 1 year ago
Good work. I can tell you showed restraint too.
pantselves 1 year ago
so which one of these guys does BJJ? I mean...
Tamales21 2 years ago
@Tamales21
The one in the red shirt does Judo and MMA, which I think is BJJ. There is some joking about how he doesn't actually do "BJJ' even though he tried to win by submission with Arm bars and leg locks.
I did a few months BJJ years ago as well.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
@DrTzeus Judo isn't BJJ, a lot of styles have some kind of submissions. BJJ is hardly known for leg locks.
50pushups 2 years ago
@50pushups
Good point, leg locks are forbidden in most BJJ schools until higher levels. I have a Machado BJJ book with one on the cover though, and about 22 inside....
He tried arm bars too though, which have been banned from some Judo tournies, so it really is a riddle...:-)
IMHO, the Gracies used Judo literature to improve the Jitsu they started with, and with in MMA now, ground work is just called BJJ, unless it's wrestling. So I just call that stuff BJJ.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
Armbars banned from judo? If you mean a straight armbar, jujigatame, I find that very hard to believe. Some shoulder locks are banned from judo but not armbars. You might as well say boxing and wing chun are the same thing because they both punch.
50pushups 2 years ago
@50pushups
It is called Chinese "boxing" isn't it?..:-)
Ya, I read that about arm bars in the lower level competition here in California.
Judo has three types of training: Striking which is only done as Kata, grappling, and throws. Regular Judo seems to be more "stand up" with throws and BJJ seems to be more "grounded" with "grappling". But they are the same thing, it just depends on how much and what you learn first....Gracie BJJ is EXACTLY Feldenkrais "Higher Judo: Ground Work", 1952.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
@50pushups
Hey, I just thought of this the other day. Gracies took Judo in a different direction and didn't want to be limited by the sport of Judo. They created their own sport so they had to call it something different. If they had called it Brazilian Judo it would have created to many political issues with the sport of Judo itself.
It is all Judo after Kano........unless it is karate.
DrTzeus 1 year ago
Judo was still sometimes called jiu jitsu at the time Maeda came to Brazil, and judo wasn't really known as a sport until the thirties. At that time judo had a stronger emphasis on groundwork than it does today. As far as I know there was never a conscious choice to split from judo.
Also I would be surprised if BJJ is "exactly" anything from 1952, even in the last few years BJJ at the highest levels has changed (X guard, half guard strategies) and judo changes all the time as well.
50pushups 1 year ago
This is false. Judo was already established, and Maeda was a member of the Kodokan.
mthai66 1 year ago
@mthai66 "Judo[5] was originally known as Kano Jiu-Jitsu or Kano Jiu-Do, and later as Kodokan Jiu-Do or simply Jiu-Do or Judo. In the early days, it was also still referred to generically simply as Jiu-Jitsu.[6]" Judo article on wikipedia.
The Kodokan was established but Judo could hardly be said to be "going in the direction of sport" at such an early stage. Maeda left Japan in 1904, Judo was not an olympic sport until 1964.
50pushups 1 year ago
Did I say anything about Judo?
What's next, a lecture about the Handa Dojo and the origin of Ne Waza?
Get lost.
mthai66 1 year ago
@mthai66 Yes you did say something about Judo. You seem upset?
50pushups 1 year ago
@mthai66 Yes, you did say something about Judo. You seem confused?
50pushups 1 year ago
@50pushups Ha! You're right :)
Again, what you're looking for is "Handa Dojo"
mthai66 1 year ago
@50pushups
The basic BJJ I was taught as a beginner was exactly Feldenkrais "Higher Judo: Ground Work." However this was in the mid 1990's and just the beginner stuff.
There was a notion then that Gracie BJJ had stagnated being Masters of this subset of techniques, very effective, and that they were stalling out awarding Black Belts because they didn't have much else (nor did they need it!). Machados, and others progressed the art, as did MMA sports. It has gone much beyond "higher Judo" now.
DrTzeus 1 year ago
@DrTzeus WELL DONE!
Reading presentation and other comments probably I guess what happened...
I like very much your profile, above all the "If I want to read your opinion I will go to a forum like Bullshido" and immediatly I subscribed your channel!
ParkFight 1 year ago
thumbs up man good job. you could have really messed him up with some (illegal) strikes like you train for but you showed a lot of restraint and played the sport fighting game. and dominated him while you were at it.
kwansao 2 years ago
Keep in mind not everyone at bullshido is a blood crazed UFC fan. There are many non-biased traditional martial artists there too.
What does this video prove beyond a doubt?
1)DTT is not a pussy
2)DTT can beat a guy smaller than him.
That's about it.
Congrats to DTT, looks like he did well. I wouldn't say he barley one.
mrjspeedy1000 2 years ago
um...that's right I spelled it "barley one" on purpose.
mrjspeedy1000 2 years ago
Funny...
respect from cologne / germany, sifu olli
TheKamehaus 2 years ago
thats bad ass man. These guys gotta get off your ass then, I think it's pretty clear your system works. Yes you do have the weight advantage but that shouldn't mean much if anything when your competing in a match you don't train for, and most of what you practice can't be applied. Anyone saying your system is garbage might as well be saying your opponent is even worse then garbage.
And on another note: man its awesome to see some E-thug martial artists and UFC heads get shut up!
YiannisTheDestroyer 2 years ago
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YiannisTheDestroyer 2 years ago
so this was your first time fighting in a ring or full contact like this? If that's the case then damn good job man!
YiannisTheDestroyer 2 years ago
@YiannisTheDestroyer
Yes, and I do not do any hard contact sparring in practice. Mostly chi sau and some applications, and then play with my heavy bag, wooden dummy, and some weight training.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
Well done. You beat a sports fighter at his own game, in a situation you don't train for, with rules that limit the techniques of your art. These more than balance out the weight advantage you had.
FragonDry 2 years ago
Why my last one didn't go through, I have no idea. But let me repost.
Cripple fag, stfu. It's easy to talk shit faggot, let's see your fight videos.
anthonyaksa 2 years ago
Apparently your confused...
l0rdsatan 2 years ago
blast his spine/ribs that was obviously exposed compress his carotic arteries at the sides of neck and put him to sleep
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
DTT lacked the leverage, from that position, to "blast his ribs" and when he DID have the leverage to "blast his ribs" at the 7:14 mark, he was shown to lack the skill, power and technique to do it.
At the 2:42 mark, he wasn't in a position to punch with power and he wasn't in a position to go for a submission. Look at their feet. DTT wasn't going to get his back and hold it.
And for the record, it is common carotiD artery.
aardvarksk 2 years ago
@aardvarksk
at 2:42 I could have done a downward elbow to his lowest ribs, a very power full strike on a very weak target. We had some issues in the rules around the downward elbow strike, and I knew Sirc was competent in knee bars, so I was trying to focus on feeling where he was going instead of risking a foul.
I know what Cripple wanted, and in a real fight I might have tried to reach up and pull his head back HARD to get hold of his sides of his neck with a claw, but not in an MMA match.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
@DrTzeus
You are disregarding Sirc's ability to have elbowed you in return. Your palm on his bicep wouldn't have negated a rear elbow strike, so the "i could have dropped an elbow" argument is negated. You weren't in position to do damage with that ruleset and you would have been in a push position had the ruleset been altered.
aardvarksk 2 years ago
Yes, but to elbow he would have had to release his ankle hold. You read me wrong anyway, I didn't do an elbow because I needed to be focused on his ankle hold.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
So you were the one telling DTT to choke Sirc out at 2:42? What technique would you use to choke someone from that position?
hairyho 2 years ago
yes....
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
Cripple35, were you DTT's corner?
hairyho 2 years ago
what do ya wieght out at PoeGlove....wouldn't want ya sniveling about that....I'm acually 194 on the nose now.....if your such an expert please try your nonsense with me or shut your pie hole. I evedently have to deal with this shit now, so I'm game. Wanna Dance or ya gonna just keep typing...???
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
let me clear then, if you think you can do better come fight me. Let your attempt speak for itself....end of discussion
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
And what will that prove, exactly? It's really pathetic how much he's patting himself on his back. There's plenty of people who are in the same state as you who are roughly the same size who would happily comply. If your man wants I'm sure someone else would do it. Seriously, he BARELY survived against someone 40lbs smaller.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
According to the people there who overheard you talking to Sirc you claimed to have weighted 183lbs. So you're a liar now as well? According to the people there there was also a concession on Sirc's part to not crank any holds, right? You're lucky he let go of that kneebar or you wouldn't be walking for the next 2 years. You were rolling the wrong way.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
video or it didn't happen. I never said the number 183, so you are full of it. I did tell his corner I weighed 173 that morning but had gotten as high as 185lbs in training. I agree Sirc was cool about the kneebars, and I was cool about not elbowing, as we agreed. I did have a weight advantage and I did have a close fight, but considering I was asked to remove a large part of what I do to follow the rules, while he got to do EXACTLY what he trains to do, I did fine.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove the bottom line is he did survive punk.....you think you can beat either DTT or myself.....either chioce could end with you looking like Curc or worse depending which one of us ya fought....I often have to fight people 60lbs more than me....I don't loose to very often ( 10 losses in well over 150 ) do the math junior
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
Oh is that right? 150 fights? Only 10 losses? What are you doing here yelling at random internet strangers then? Why you should be out there making hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting professionally. You are ridiculous. I live in New York. You want to fly me out there, I'm all game.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove I'm sure all those BullShido folks will sponsor it....give'm a shout. I don't fight for trophies or money
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
No, actually I doubt they would.
mrjspeedy1000 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
why shouldn't I enjoy my victory? Did you read the insults and threats Sirc rallied at me for several months before this? and not only him, the vast majority of those clowns over at bullsido said I would chicken out, tap or lose in the first few seconds, etc....
Sirc said some of the rudest things possible and you call me pathetic for a few things I have said about how wrong he was.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
I don't even know what that's supposed to mean. You want me to come play with your mouth? He's only 10lbs lighter than you, how is that even comparable? Why not set him up with someone who is closer to his weight? It's incredibly clear that he would not survive at all. Take this to heart, he BARELY survived against someone who is 40lbs lighter than him. Barely.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
If you mean someone my weight that trained as shitty as Sirc and who forgot to bring a mouth piece and wraps/tape because he is more into the theatrics and not the fight, then no. They told us no cutting elbows at the start, which I was cool with, but if he has my weight I would not have excepted that. It would have been a very different fight.
Who is to say because I would have done everything different against a bigger man. and 200 minus 178 is not 10 but 22.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
Curc knew the weight difference when he made the choice to challenge.....his ego was the deciding factor that led to his defeat.Many think WT people are chumps just talking, now little curc may think twice before he lets his mouth write a check his body can't cash ;-)
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
Uh no. It wasn't ego. Clearly, your guy would not fair well against anybody remotely close to his weight class. Trying to move 40lbs is ridiculous. If they were 10lbs in weight closer, your man would've been destroyed. Have him try sparring someone close to his weight class. See how well he does. He barely survived someone 4 weight classes below him. Let that sink in.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
it was 25 lbs not 40.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
What is the weight difference here, 15-20kg? Was skill really the deciding factor?
50pushups 2 years ago
So far as bullshido tells it, it's about 40lbs. That's about 20kg. I don't think that people are really seeing that the bigger guy barely survived a fight with someone much smaller than him.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
Sirc, 153 lbs, DTT 178 lbs
Sirc age 23, DTT age 39
so should I start complaining about the age class difference?
DrTzeus 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
again, it was around 25lbs, not 40.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove
again, you are such a liar, it was not 40lbs.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
as is usual with key board critics much is easy to say from the safety of the computer.....doing is a whole complete issue and given I was right there in the corner I am aware of much not caught by virtue of camera/body angles ;-)
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
Donde queda el Wingtzun donde esta los puños en cadena esto es un asco deberian darle verguenza mostrar esto como representante del wingtzun.
Andres8830 2 years ago
This looks like you barely survived a fight with a man 40lbs lighter than you.
MrPoeglove 2 years ago
@MrPoeglove Looks like you are full of your keyboard. I didn't weight 183 and Sirc no longer weighs 143. Look, I weighted only about 168lbs last September, and moved myself up to around 180.
He claims he put on 10 pounds for this fight. I don't know when he was lying about his weight and not, but assuming he didn't do it quick as bodyfat, That is good chunk of muscle and he should be very strong, so this lighter/weaker bullshit needs to be dropped.
or maybe he got fat.
DrTzeus 2 years ago
so aside from the obvious info DTT posted at upper right, he used freeing arms to escape arm bar (last part Siu Nim Tao) frontal Gum Sau (part 4 Siu Nim Tao) against spin kick,classic rotate on back (EBMAS), front kick (all sets) Lan Sau to trap head in corner of ring, wisking arm strike as he seised guys left arm on mat to pull cross body. Using WT does not mean it will look like a movie guys, please know what you are talking about or try me on for size ;-). Be glad to help ya out...lol
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
@CRIPPLE35
If you're talking about the armbar attempt at 2:22ish, that looks like it's simply a matter of SIRC attempting a very poorly set up armbar. He doesn't have his right leg over DTT's head, so DTT just has to sit up. No real technique required.
To be fair, some of what DTT is doing elsewhere in the vid does look like WT though.
heavymanners 2 years ago
Boy, Doc, I am so relieved! I was sooooo worry that insurance claims to social health care will surge BIG time after your match. I am not here to say weather your crap....err....craft is WT or watered down, bastardized WC or whatever, thats not da point. The point is your kid still has a father! Pleaze! Pleaze dont risk your family life for such nonsense again. BTW, what happen to you hair? And when you were on the ground around 5:00, you looked so Bruno. Brah ha ha ha! Cheers! =)
mofotox 2 years ago
@mofotox I did some growing up in the past years, why not you too?
redtortoise76 1 year ago
oh dear.
calisthenicsbl 2 years ago
absolute respect to the ebmas fighter if this is a fighter vs fighter match. but if its a style vs style, WT loses either way because none is displayed.
dvisk 2 years ago
@dvisk do you train Wing Chun anyways? Yes, then please tell in which lineage. Otherwise how do you know what it should look like? I see some good Wing Chun here.
jomushin7 10 months ago
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ebmasdan92 2 years ago
good work, underestimating martial artists end up with such face ...
i am proud of what you did as a EBMAS sihing
Ln1987 2 years ago
and where is the WT ? ....
Niceland 2 years ago
I don't have to read it....I was there ;-). Yes there mixing of techniques and as you have already stated some sloppiness, in your defense you have not spent years ounding and being pounded to get crisp under duress.....you did well and Curc ( chuckles ) has a really bad left side of the dome to address now ;-)
CRIPPLE35 2 years ago
was good,saw a lot of our taktics,not pure but good,i know how hard it is to use pure WT in stress,very brave bro.
germansifu 2 years ago
Please read more info over to the right before you post.
DrTzeus 2 years ago