@pootinhammer no ksc and kwa are the same company, ksc is for japan market and kwa is everyone else. which means ksc guns have to comply with the japanese laws - 1 joule max power, plastic slide. kwa higher fps, metal slide.
TM has been upgrading their internals so they can take grren-gas lately, and with some guarder internals the Five seven can take green, and the slide on the Five seven is polymer anyways so a metal slide would be unrealistic
soooo which one do you guys think i should get? Im a fan of both guns, but the thing im looking for is durability and replacement/upgrade availablility
listen sandman, my KWA USP standard flings a bb out to at least 170+ feet. mine is NS2 and standard, with no upgrades whatsoever. i'll make a video on it soon enough. TM are crap and ovepriced.
Crisp recoil, better gas efficiency, faster cyclic rate, superior hopup, larger mag for more gas which gives it almost zero cool down, better accuracy at long range....
I'd say TM still wins. Plastic doesn't mean anything except that it's plastic.
Yea, I'll be the first to say. Sorry, that's all bs there. KWA's NS2 system is FAR better than the old gas system. Much better gas efficiency in the KWA. The KWA actually has a faster cycle rate than the TM even though it's metal, but that's because it's metal allow which is light and they utilize the NS2 system well. The NS2 in my experience has much more range. The plastic means you waste a hell of a lot getting a metal kit and that it WILL break over time. Plastic=crap. TM is outdated.
Holds more gas. Even in comparison the the USP mags. I've fired two separate NS2 USPs on two separate occasions. Both of which, in the performance category, the only way to describe them is that both "burped" out bbs. It was a puny weak "pew" every time I pulled the trigger. Fresh propane, warmed up under the arm. "Burp, burp, blep, pew" The mag cooled down very quickly, and sure - it shot all the rounds. But you might as well have shot spit wads. I was instantly enlightened.
And, TM pistols are made to skirmish with. I've owned 2 KWA pistols (1 new ns2, 1 old) and 3 TM pistols, one of which is the five seveN. I can rapid fire empty my TM mag with no cooldown at all, lock the slide, reload bbs, and keep going for another mag and a half. the KWA Ns2 got frosty and did the "burp" crap after rapid fire. The old usp was worse, but the newest one was still horrendous. I'm not biased in my views, I'm telling you straight up. TM's plastic has held it's own for many years.
My TM M1911A1 is over 2 years old and has been my old workhorse from day 1. I have yet to break a part on it, and I've run it through it's paces pretty extensively. Including through OP Bulldog IV, where i literally set my primary down and ran building to building with nothing buy my TM. Even their single stack design can lock the slide back after a full mag. Maybe not rapid fire, but it can still be done. They're consistent, accurate, and better functioning. KWA only feels better in the hand.
KWA is better in every way. I own RDA. See acount for details. Every single thing you've said I can easily say is so not true. I live in Portland, OR and the NS2 system always works. Portland's not warm and not humid. GBB's worse nightmare. I have videos on my account. Every thing you've said I have videos to show otherwise. There is simply no argument that KWA absolutely destroys every other gbb company.
I've seen the vids. That doesn't shift my opinion in any way. I've been through Marui's old and newer pistols, and the same goes for KWA. Marui is the golden standard to which I now compare all GBB pistols, and I still have yet to be satisfied with my NS2 USP. I sold it off after a week of getting fed up with it. I live in Texas, where it's hot all the damn time. It's currently a very mild temperature, and even in this the KWA fails. In colder weather my TM was the only thing I could get working
Which sounds like either you don't know what you're doing or you simply got a lemon because there's no argument with anyone. KWA and KSC are simply the best in GBB. They absolutely destroy TM hands down. TM purists live in the past. Especially with AEGs. No TM is worth any money now a days.
Having been into serious airsofting for 8+ years, I can tell you that nobody will ever beat TM's hopup. Find a KWA gbb that will accurately outrange a TM on propane and I will bow down to you. I know exactly what I'm talking about, and I can tell you from first hand experience in numerous skirmishes and OPs that TM has saved my butt countless times with range and accuracy. Maybe you should get out into the airsoft community more? Owning a store doesn't make you the king of all things airsoft...
And how could I have gotten a lemon when both kwa pistols I own, and the two that two of my other friends own are all the same story? If it's any less than 100 degrees fahrenheit, they simply don't perform well. They cool down too fast and lose too much power as a result. Stick with your KWA marketing and overpriced pos pistols and i'll stick with TM, which has been my workhorse for years. Without whom many companies would not exist, as they are mostly clones of TM.
Overpriced? What the hell are you talking about? KWA pistols are cheap compared to TM's overpriced plastic. It is widely accepted that TM sucks compared to KWA. Talk to any one that has experience with both. Hell, I sell both and I tell people flat out don't buy TM they suck.
KWA gbb smgs? It's only widely accepted in your world. I noticed that in your reviews, the vast majority of the products reviewed is KWA, so I think that's very biased in their favor. And I AM one that has experienced both, and I AM telling you that KWA was disappointing in comparison to my TM five seveN. Outfit it with a firefly bucking and try to find one one pistol that will outrange it or outperform it in consistency and accuracy. You just can't. They're far better performers.
The vast majority of my reviews are not KWA. I sell every thing from JG to G&P to TM to Real Sword so it's not being biased. From a tech's point of view, the TM can't compete. Also, the KWA GBB SMGs are not close to being over priced. The Mac 11 is cheap and the MP7 is cheap considering it's 100% made of polymer and metal allow with a giant contract for the real H&K trademarks. Every one knows KWA is the leading brand in gbbs.
I sure see a whole lot more "KWA" tags in the titles of videos than anything else. Anyways, I'm not gonna kick start this back into the stupid circle again. It's pointless to convince anyone that thinks one way or another. Like I said before, keep your KWA pos paperweights, and I'll keep on trucking with my marui workhorse. If it's "known to everyone" then it must be news to me, because last I checked Marui was and still is the best stock gbb money can buy. Though I will say it's beaten by WA.
I have many more JG and CYMA reviews than KWA by far. It does not mean I say they are the best. TM purists amaze me. Times have changed. TM sucks. Nothing more to it
I have to agree with that, every TM I have shot has been easily outgunned by my brother's STOCK agm mp40 and outranged by my 5 year old crosman shotgun.
and of course on the topic of GBB pistols try co2 in a WE hicapa and then try co2 in a TM hicapa and see what happens. The WE will work awesomely and the TM will be a frag grenade. Simple durability differences, propane is also the same case as co2 with TM, but not as spectacular of an explosion.
And how many have you owned? How many have you done work with? My stock TM Mk23 could hop .2g bbs out to 180 feet, and it only fired at about 320 fps. It can handle any VSR bucking, and in conjunction with said bucking, extended the range even further to about 200 feet. Take KJW for example - They make full metal 100% copies of TM guns. They keep the TM internals and simply fit them with cheaper externals. My KJW 1911 handled co2 like a tank and still had the same marui accuracy.
and I have owned 5 competition ready custom built aegs and a variety of plinking guns. I have done work on about a dozen more aegs and bolt action rifles for friends.
the bb will make it to 180 feet miserably slow, and maximum range is in no way related to accurate range
If you'd like a bio on my airsoft experience, I'd be happy to share it via a PM, but you first have to accept my friend request since it comes up as 'locked'. I too have built and customized many airsoft guns in my time, and I still to this day feel that the TM is the most consistent and reliable GBB that I own or have ever owned. Max range, in my mind, is the max distance that one could reasonably hit a target >75% of the time. This happens to be at 180ft stock, and 200 or so with a VSR bucking
I still doubt the range, (considering most stock aegs are not very effective at that range) but TM is consisent due to the good Japanese QC. (I guess that would mostly appear in the GBBs, I am not remotely impressed by the aegs, even with one next to a $70 wellfire m4, and the WELL still runs after 4 years while the TM crapped out after only a couple)
And judging by your comparison of TM pistols to WE, AGM, and Crossman, I think it's safe to say there's no valid argument for you in the matter. Going on 6 years of airsofting, I own 3 TM pistols, 1 Tanaka SAA, 2 KJW, and 2 kwa usp pistols (1 old, 1 new). Out of the groups, the TM pistols outrange everything else, and they don't shoot nearly as hard as my KJW on co2. "every TM I have shot" doesn't mean much when you toss it in with AGM, Crossman, etc.
I think it means alot that a crosman and AGM can outrange and outperform TM, and for some reason you like to believe TM makes the highest performance airsoft guns on the market... I beg to differ. Try getting a .30g bb to 250 feet with enough accuracy to consistently make torso shets with a TM... not happening ever.
Even if it could deny the laws of physics and get a bb out past 250 feet, it would take long enough to get there for the target to shoot you, laugh, and take cover.
and down my AEG rant route I never have seen evidence that TM are good enough to handle a 12v high discharge battery and m150 spring on stock parts and still spit out 20 rps. In fact, I have only seen a broken gearbox shell from running the AEG stock and sub-par performance.
well obviously, but in the parts of the world that allow higher velocity, 260-280 fps, even with the magic hopup that apparently defies the laws of physics, does simply not have the performance to compete at anything other than the 1J limited CQB. The parts quality is so lacking that I find it laughable that a company hailed as the best quality and performance needs extensive and expensive upgrading to handle anything above stock power level and rate of fire.
I could take a chinese clone rifle and slap in a high power spring and say that it swamps the Marui, sure, because it probably would. But in the GBB department, in a world of inconsistent and overpriced gas hogs, TM shines through in my mind as snappy, high quality, consistent and accurately replicated. They were the among the pioneers before the clones stormed in, and will continue to serve alongside me in the numerous games I attend. All are field tested, and I feel that my opinion is
both valid and combat tested numerous times. I could go on and on about the matter of what is best in terms of what, but that wouldn't take this anywhere. You like whatever you want to, and I'll do the same. What works for me may not work for you. I like Tanaka gas sniper rifles over a KJW or a Marui VSR, but that's my opinion too. To each his own. And I leave it, again, at that.
To each his own sounds like a good way to end arguements, I will agree with that. (I for one prefer to use a JG with a strong spring, 12v, and accuracy upgrades as a long range rifle that hits hard from over 250 feet easily while others prefer a G&G or KWA, which I would certainly not use, but this proves the point of opinions)
I can't say I know many people who wouldn't like a Tanaka gas rifle anyway.
This video totally says otherwise. Since you simply cannot let the matter go, watch the video a second time. Keep the attitude, I don't care. TM pistols are the best skirmishing pistols I've ever handled. I leave this childish argument at that.
And where's your videos? I have actual proof. You have a video that states you are around 12-15 years old trying to brag about your father's car. Your argument doesn't stand up.
Check your inbox and accept the friend request so that I can send my bio. I'm not high and mighty or a hypocrite, and it's not an extremely impressive "resume" or anything. But it'll shine light on who I am and what I do. I own the Camaro in my video, and I'm definitely not 12 or 15. The car was a gift from my father for my acceptance into the United States Air Force Academy. Don't assume you know me.
I noticed that the marui had extremely lacking accuracy even at a mere 5 meters.
and it doesn't seem that you are leaving this arguement that you call "childish" just at that, I find that to be quite hipocritical for you to be acting so high and mighty and partaking in something you consider childish.
It was addressed to the other ongoing debate with an airsoft "retailer" that I felt handled the discussion in an immature fashion. This debate, however, seems far more respectful and contains many valid points. I have no problem continuing a debate that I feel will be beneficial to those who decide to read it. True, the bb will 'float' out to the 180 foot mark, but regardless I was still able to hit a 5 inch target with relative consistency. I have no doubts of hitting a man sized target as well
I use .28g bbs for the best accuracy, granted though, they sail in slow motion but they get there. .2g bbs zip the fastest, but not quite the farthest and are at the mercy of the wind. Range was obtained via a laser range finder, as I was also doubtful as to exactly how far my pistol would reach. Sure enough yes, it's at 60 meters or 180 feet.
Probably because of their lighter weights. What brand were you using? I've become particularly fond of bioval .27s, g&g bio .28s, and TSD .28s as well. All three are very consistent bbs, bioval being the most consistent of the three, but TSD has the most range.
G&G bio .25g and the others were not mine. I was suprised with the G&G since I find them to be extremely consistent in my AEGs, with the .28g yeilding considerably more consistent groupings than KSC perfect .30g.
The biovals lacking in range could be attributed to by their diameter being ~5.88mm while the TSD are in the low 5.9's which will let less gas leak around the bb and give greater velocity.
That, and the .1g weight difference add up the farther out the bb goes. The .27 dropped significantly shorter than the TSD .28, and im sure this is due to both the size and slight weight difference.
You do not need to try to defend Marui or its products. They speak for themselves, TM is sold in more countries on the planet than any other airsoft company in the western and eastern hemisphere, the stats speak for themselves. TM will always be an innovator and the standard to which everything else is compared. Adults understand stability and reliability, children want power for the least amount of money. It is admirable that you support TM, but trying to prove to others is a waste.
@kuribo1 Yeah, I see that now. It's hardly worth the effort and is a mere waste of time. I'm more than ecstatic about my FiveseveN and the way it performs.
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man u guys suck at shooting!
u coment people. all gas airsoft pistols can use greengas!!! its only the country ure in that tell u atht u cant use green gas. if ure gun is made of plastic, and comes from a good brand like marui, kjw, kvc etc. green gas is no problem!
it CANNOT use green gas/propane. Using it will result in parts breaking and possibly (not even kidding here) the gun exploding (namely, that part at the rear of the slide, a hammer on a normal pistol, the outside of the striker on a glock)
it will not explode.. thats just something the producers write to not have responsibility.. The slide can crack right in two and fly in your face from the blowback though.
nothing wrong with shooting paper plates. But as well all know, shooting beer is a waste of perfectly good beer. They started to use their heads. They can drink and then shoot.
does not have one. It has a double action trigger with a decocker instead. Remember, it is a military handgun, not a civi handgun. That is why it lacks a manual safety.
The USP without safety was designed for police use, where you cannot afford pulling your pistol out and detach the safety, at least thats what the guy on the local airbase MP told me. All our regular units here in Germany have the P8, a USP in 9mm with safety.
there both awsome guns but if i had to choose i would go for the match
nickslayer13 10 months ago
At first I thought they were fucking with me with that accent. but I cooperated with it
Matashi911 11 months ago
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devilsadvocate22289 11 months ago
Is the barrel Metal?
Maxrock9 1 year ago
hmm.. i expected that the KSC USP Match would have greater range and accuracy given it's longer barrel... =/
derekpua 1 year ago
are there any differences between the KSC USP match and the KWA KP45 Match? other than trademarks?
pootinhammer 1 year ago
@pootinhammer no
HGClark 1 year ago
@pootinhammer no ksc and kwa are the same company, ksc is for japan market and kwa is everyone else. which means ksc guns have to comply with the japanese laws - 1 joule max power, plastic slide. kwa higher fps, metal slide.
Kumizzie4100 6 months ago
Hey what would go better with my P90? A 5-7 or CZ75?
MANABORDEN98 1 year ago
5 Seven is more cooler than USP
tombestraider 1 year ago
I don't give a damn 'bout Lara, USP with silver slide was in HL2!
Yfr28 1 year ago 5
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cssnoob08 1 year ago
I'd go with the KSC because you can you green gas, and there isn't a reinforced slide for the five seven.
kittyman187 1 year ago
@kittyman187
TM has been upgrading their internals so they can take grren-gas lately, and with some guarder internals the Five seven can take green, and the slide on the Five seven is polymer anyways so a metal slide would be unrealistic
Alexscotthk 1 year ago
When you guys made this video, was it acting or did you guys piss each other off first before making the review.
tuck234 1 year ago
Listen HARD on em and then you think of Arnold Schwarzenegger XD
Stronghart90 1 year ago
soooo which one do you guys think i should get? Im a fan of both guns, but the thing im looking for is durability and replacement/upgrade availablility
JasonChan2008 1 year ago
@JasonChan2008 In that case go for the FiveSeven.
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91darksideshadow 1 year ago
i really dont like usp's but is the five seven good does it have a lot ofupgrades
limeheadrickey 2 years ago
1:49 FARTTTTTTTT :D
Tr1st0 2 years ago
black shirt + black gun = invisible gun
paddyspoint2 2 years ago 27
@paddyspoint2 no dude black shirt + black gun + black guy = invisible
AdRiiNaLinFingerboar 1 year ago
hahaha shut up bitch XD
caponetroop 2 years ago 21
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Overage2000 1 year ago
listen sandman, my KWA USP standard flings a bb out to at least 170+ feet. mine is NS2 and standard, with no upgrades whatsoever. i'll make a video on it soon enough. TM are crap and ovepriced.
jamestheshinobi64 2 years ago
Yea, I'm sorry, but the USP match is a hell of a lot better than TM's plastic gun
Jarek4 2 years ago
Crisp recoil, better gas efficiency, faster cyclic rate, superior hopup, larger mag for more gas which gives it almost zero cool down, better accuracy at long range....
I'd say TM still wins. Plastic doesn't mean anything except that it's plastic.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
Yea, I'll be the first to say. Sorry, that's all bs there. KWA's NS2 system is FAR better than the old gas system. Much better gas efficiency in the KWA. The KWA actually has a faster cycle rate than the TM even though it's metal, but that's because it's metal allow which is light and they utilize the NS2 system well. The NS2 in my experience has much more range. The plastic means you waste a hell of a lot getting a metal kit and that it WILL break over time. Plastic=crap. TM is outdated.
Jarek4 2 years ago 2
and oh yes. Larger mag capacity what in the world are you talking about? The USP match is huge compared to most mags.
Jarek4 2 years ago
Holds more gas. Even in comparison the the USP mags. I've fired two separate NS2 USPs on two separate occasions. Both of which, in the performance category, the only way to describe them is that both "burped" out bbs. It was a puny weak "pew" every time I pulled the trigger. Fresh propane, warmed up under the arm. "Burp, burp, blep, pew" The mag cooled down very quickly, and sure - it shot all the rounds. But you might as well have shot spit wads. I was instantly enlightened.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
And, TM pistols are made to skirmish with. I've owned 2 KWA pistols (1 new ns2, 1 old) and 3 TM pistols, one of which is the five seveN. I can rapid fire empty my TM mag with no cooldown at all, lock the slide, reload bbs, and keep going for another mag and a half. the KWA Ns2 got frosty and did the "burp" crap after rapid fire. The old usp was worse, but the newest one was still horrendous. I'm not biased in my views, I'm telling you straight up. TM's plastic has held it's own for many years.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
My TM M1911A1 is over 2 years old and has been my old workhorse from day 1. I have yet to break a part on it, and I've run it through it's paces pretty extensively. Including through OP Bulldog IV, where i literally set my primary down and ran building to building with nothing buy my TM. Even their single stack design can lock the slide back after a full mag. Maybe not rapid fire, but it can still be done. They're consistent, accurate, and better functioning. KWA only feels better in the hand.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
KWA is better in every way. I own RDA. See acount for details. Every single thing you've said I can easily say is so not true. I live in Portland, OR and the NS2 system always works. Portland's not warm and not humid. GBB's worse nightmare. I have videos on my account. Every thing you've said I have videos to show otherwise. There is simply no argument that KWA absolutely destroys every other gbb company.
Jarek4 2 years ago 2
I've seen the vids. That doesn't shift my opinion in any way. I've been through Marui's old and newer pistols, and the same goes for KWA. Marui is the golden standard to which I now compare all GBB pistols, and I still have yet to be satisfied with my NS2 USP. I sold it off after a week of getting fed up with it. I live in Texas, where it's hot all the damn time. It's currently a very mild temperature, and even in this the KWA fails. In colder weather my TM was the only thing I could get working
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
Which sounds like either you don't know what you're doing or you simply got a lemon because there's no argument with anyone. KWA and KSC are simply the best in GBB. They absolutely destroy TM hands down. TM purists live in the past. Especially with AEGs. No TM is worth any money now a days.
Jarek4 2 years ago
Having been into serious airsofting for 8+ years, I can tell you that nobody will ever beat TM's hopup. Find a KWA gbb that will accurately outrange a TM on propane and I will bow down to you. I know exactly what I'm talking about, and I can tell you from first hand experience in numerous skirmishes and OPs that TM has saved my butt countless times with range and accuracy. Maybe you should get out into the airsoft community more? Owning a store doesn't make you the king of all things airsoft...
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
And how could I have gotten a lemon when both kwa pistols I own, and the two that two of my other friends own are all the same story? If it's any less than 100 degrees fahrenheit, they simply don't perform well. They cool down too fast and lose too much power as a result. Stick with your KWA marketing and overpriced pos pistols and i'll stick with TM, which has been my workhorse for years. Without whom many companies would not exist, as they are mostly clones of TM.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
i am rly agree wif you
although i hv a ksc usp.45
but i still think TM is more accurate than the ksc all the time.
The advantage of the KSC is more relistic.
You can put you KSC G17 in to the BH CQC holster easily
but it's rly hard for you to put the TM G17 into the BH CQC holster, you need to modify the body of the pistol.
atomicatomu 2 years ago
how is it more realistic than the tm 5-7?
SuperFinnish 2 years ago
Overpriced? What the hell are you talking about? KWA pistols are cheap compared to TM's overpriced plastic. It is widely accepted that TM sucks compared to KWA. Talk to any one that has experience with both. Hell, I sell both and I tell people flat out don't buy TM they suck.
Jarek4 2 years ago 2
KWA gbb smgs? It's only widely accepted in your world. I noticed that in your reviews, the vast majority of the products reviewed is KWA, so I think that's very biased in their favor. And I AM one that has experienced both, and I AM telling you that KWA was disappointing in comparison to my TM five seveN. Outfit it with a firefly bucking and try to find one one pistol that will outrange it or outperform it in consistency and accuracy. You just can't. They're far better performers.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
The vast majority of my reviews are not KWA. I sell every thing from JG to G&P to TM to Real Sword so it's not being biased. From a tech's point of view, the TM can't compete. Also, the KWA GBB SMGs are not close to being over priced. The Mac 11 is cheap and the MP7 is cheap considering it's 100% made of polymer and metal allow with a giant contract for the real H&K trademarks. Every one knows KWA is the leading brand in gbbs.
Jarek4 2 years ago
I sure see a whole lot more "KWA" tags in the titles of videos than anything else. Anyways, I'm not gonna kick start this back into the stupid circle again. It's pointless to convince anyone that thinks one way or another. Like I said before, keep your KWA pos paperweights, and I'll keep on trucking with my marui workhorse. If it's "known to everyone" then it must be news to me, because last I checked Marui was and still is the best stock gbb money can buy. Though I will say it's beaten by WA.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
I have many more JG and CYMA reviews than KWA by far. It does not mean I say they are the best. TM purists amaze me. Times have changed. TM sucks. Nothing more to it
Jarek4 2 years ago
I have to agree with that, every TM I have shot has been easily outgunned by my brother's STOCK agm mp40 and outranged by my 5 year old crosman shotgun.
and of course on the topic of GBB pistols try co2 in a WE hicapa and then try co2 in a TM hicapa and see what happens. The WE will work awesomely and the TM will be a frag grenade. Simple durability differences, propane is also the same case as co2 with TM, but not as spectacular of an explosion.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
And how many have you owned? How many have you done work with? My stock TM Mk23 could hop .2g bbs out to 180 feet, and it only fired at about 320 fps. It can handle any VSR bucking, and in conjunction with said bucking, extended the range even further to about 200 feet. Take KJW for example - They make full metal 100% copies of TM guns. They keep the TM internals and simply fit them with cheaper externals. My KJW 1911 handled co2 like a tank and still had the same marui accuracy.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
and I have owned 5 competition ready custom built aegs and a variety of plinking guns. I have done work on about a dozen more aegs and bolt action rifles for friends.
the bb will make it to 180 feet miserably slow, and maximum range is in no way related to accurate range
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
If you'd like a bio on my airsoft experience, I'd be happy to share it via a PM, but you first have to accept my friend request since it comes up as 'locked'. I too have built and customized many airsoft guns in my time, and I still to this day feel that the TM is the most consistent and reliable GBB that I own or have ever owned. Max range, in my mind, is the max distance that one could reasonably hit a target >75% of the time. This happens to be at 180ft stock, and 200 or so with a VSR bucking
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
I still doubt the range, (considering most stock aegs are not very effective at that range) but TM is consisent due to the good Japanese QC. (I guess that would mostly appear in the GBBs, I am not remotely impressed by the aegs, even with one next to a $70 wellfire m4, and the WELL still runs after 4 years while the TM crapped out after only a couple)
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
And judging by your comparison of TM pistols to WE, AGM, and Crossman, I think it's safe to say there's no valid argument for you in the matter. Going on 6 years of airsofting, I own 3 TM pistols, 1 Tanaka SAA, 2 KJW, and 2 kwa usp pistols (1 old, 1 new). Out of the groups, the TM pistols outrange everything else, and they don't shoot nearly as hard as my KJW on co2. "every TM I have shot" doesn't mean much when you toss it in with AGM, Crossman, etc.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
I think it means alot that a crosman and AGM can outrange and outperform TM, and for some reason you like to believe TM makes the highest performance airsoft guns on the market... I beg to differ. Try getting a .30g bb to 250 feet with enough accuracy to consistently make torso shets with a TM... not happening ever.
Even if it could deny the laws of physics and get a bb out past 250 feet, it would take long enough to get there for the target to shoot you, laugh, and take cover.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
and down my AEG rant route I never have seen evidence that TM are good enough to handle a 12v high discharge battery and m150 spring on stock parts and still spit out 20 rps. In fact, I have only seen a broken gearbox shell from running the AEG stock and sub-par performance.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
Japan's 1 joule laws. Simple as that.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
well obviously, but in the parts of the world that allow higher velocity, 260-280 fps, even with the magic hopup that apparently defies the laws of physics, does simply not have the performance to compete at anything other than the 1J limited CQB. The parts quality is so lacking that I find it laughable that a company hailed as the best quality and performance needs extensive and expensive upgrading to handle anything above stock power level and rate of fire.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
I could take a chinese clone rifle and slap in a high power spring and say that it swamps the Marui, sure, because it probably would. But in the GBB department, in a world of inconsistent and overpriced gas hogs, TM shines through in my mind as snappy, high quality, consistent and accurately replicated. They were the among the pioneers before the clones stormed in, and will continue to serve alongside me in the numerous games I attend. All are field tested, and I feel that my opinion is
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
lots of clone GBBS are gonna just eat through gas, that's undeniable.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
both valid and combat tested numerous times. I could go on and on about the matter of what is best in terms of what, but that wouldn't take this anywhere. You like whatever you want to, and I'll do the same. What works for me may not work for you. I like Tanaka gas sniper rifles over a KJW or a Marui VSR, but that's my opinion too. To each his own. And I leave it, again, at that.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
To each his own sounds like a good way to end arguements, I will agree with that. (I for one prefer to use a JG with a strong spring, 12v, and accuracy upgrades as a long range rifle that hits hard from over 250 feet easily while others prefer a G&G or KWA, which I would certainly not use, but this proves the point of opinions)
I can't say I know many people who wouldn't like a Tanaka gas rifle anyway.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
This video totally says otherwise. Since you simply cannot let the matter go, watch the video a second time. Keep the attitude, I don't care. TM pistols are the best skirmishing pistols I've ever handled. I leave this childish argument at that.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
And where's your videos? I have actual proof. You have a video that states you are around 12-15 years old trying to brag about your father's car. Your argument doesn't stand up.
Jarek4 2 years ago
Check your inbox and accept the friend request so that I can send my bio. I'm not high and mighty or a hypocrite, and it's not an extremely impressive "resume" or anything. But it'll shine light on who I am and what I do. I own the Camaro in my video, and I'm definitely not 12 or 15. The car was a gift from my father for my acceptance into the United States Air Force Academy. Don't assume you know me.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
I noticed that the marui had extremely lacking accuracy even at a mere 5 meters.
and it doesn't seem that you are leaving this arguement that you call "childish" just at that, I find that to be quite hipocritical for you to be acting so high and mighty and partaking in something you consider childish.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
It was addressed to the other ongoing debate with an airsoft "retailer" that I felt handled the discussion in an immature fashion. This debate, however, seems far more respectful and contains many valid points. I have no problem continuing a debate that I feel will be beneficial to those who decide to read it. True, the bb will 'float' out to the 180 foot mark, but regardless I was still able to hit a 5 inch target with relative consistency. I have no doubts of hitting a man sized target as well
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
I'm still gonna have to see this first hand before I believe it, as I have not seen very good accuracy even with .25g from any maruis in real life.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
I use .28g bbs for the best accuracy, granted though, they sail in slow motion but they get there. .2g bbs zip the fastest, but not quite the farthest and are at the mercy of the wind. Range was obtained via a laser range finder, as I was also doubtful as to exactly how far my pistol would reach. Sure enough yes, it's at 60 meters or 180 feet.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
wow, that's quite good.
interesting. that definetly explains alot. .20 and .23 are super fail for accuracy and .25 still wasn't particulary good.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
Probably because of their lighter weights. What brand were you using? I've become particularly fond of bioval .27s, g&g bio .28s, and TSD .28s as well. All three are very consistent bbs, bioval being the most consistent of the three, but TSD has the most range.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
G&G bio .25g and the others were not mine. I was suprised with the G&G since I find them to be extremely consistent in my AEGs, with the .28g yeilding considerably more consistent groupings than KSC perfect .30g.
The biovals lacking in range could be attributed to by their diameter being ~5.88mm while the TSD are in the low 5.9's which will let less gas leak around the bb and give greater velocity.
DisguisedAirsofter 2 years ago
That, and the .1g weight difference add up the farther out the bb goes. The .27 dropped significantly shorter than the TSD .28, and im sure this is due to both the size and slight weight difference.
S4ndm4n7 2 years ago
@S4ndm4n7
You do not need to try to defend Marui or its products. They speak for themselves, TM is sold in more countries on the planet than any other airsoft company in the western and eastern hemisphere, the stats speak for themselves. TM will always be an innovator and the standard to which everything else is compared. Adults understand stability and reliability, children want power for the least amount of money. It is admirable that you support TM, but trying to prove to others is a waste.
kuribo1 1 year ago
@kuribo1 Yeah, I see that now. It's hardly worth the effort and is a mere waste of time. I'm more than ecstatic about my FiveseveN and the way it performs.
S4ndm4n7 1 year ago
Man Scar lost allot of weight since there first video's.
Great review guys
G4LBlackHawk 2 years ago 2
the KWA version is a bit more accurate.
TACairsoft 2 years ago
great. keep it up guys
extreemDHer 2 years ago
I just got the usp match the beast is loud
sluggerrat 2 years ago
I think the usp match is better i have one and its amazing better than a fiveseven
MaakuZA 2 years ago
@MaakuZA Have you shot the 5-7?
leonkennedy74 2 years ago
Yea my friend has one
MaakuZA 2 years ago
ich glaube ich hole mir die usp. nicht weil ich tomb raider fan bin sondern weil meine tm g17 kaputt ist und meine ksc g26c nicht genau ist.
waawaa1aut 2 years ago
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man u guys suck at shooting!
u coment people. all gas airsoft pistols can use greengas!!! its only the country ure in that tell u atht u cant use green gas. if ure gun is made of plastic, and comes from a good brand like marui, kjw, kvc etc. green gas is no problem!
General734 2 years ago
lmao your so stupid, some bolts wil break using green gas such as tm
breadm92 2 years ago
I've been thinking of getting the Five-seveN. Do you know if it can use propane stock?
1337a1rS0fT3r 2 years ago
it CANNOT use green gas/propane. Using it will result in parts breaking and possibly (not even kidding here) the gun exploding (namely, that part at the rear of the slide, a hammer on a normal pistol, the outside of the striker on a glock)
UBCSWraith 2 years ago
it will not explode.. thats just something the producers write to not have responsibility.. The slide can crack right in two and fly in your face from the blowback though.
skarpskyttar 2 years ago
Regarding the comment about the seam along the toph of the slide on the Five seveN, it also exists on the real steel.
Got a chance to compare my TM to the actual pistol and the TM is quite accurate with the exception of some of the trades.
The TM shoots great. I dont know who was shooting during the filming, but they need to keep practicing.
dinghao101 2 years ago
HALF LIFE 2!!!!
They use the silver slide USP match
littlemog92 2 years ago
No, I found it. It's only at foreign sites like Redwolf.
Unknownsoldier756 2 years ago
did he say that the TM 5-7 can take green gas at all?
Runner36D 2 years ago
german engineering XD but i prefer the five seven
Katana9990 2 years ago
The Five Seven was used in splinter cell double agent
HawaiianShooter 2 years ago
its used in all the splinter cells
xxmasterchiefofahlo 2 years ago
yep but i said double agent as an example
HawaiianShooter 2 years ago
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u need to adjust the usp match hop up its actually much more accurate
triynizzles 2 years ago
Where can I get the five seven?
Unknownsoldier756 2 years ago
shut up bitch
screwu321 2 years ago
nothing wrong with shooting paper plates. But as well all know, shooting beer is a waste of perfectly good beer. They started to use their heads. They can drink and then shoot.
JohnnyXYo2003 2 years ago 4
i would rather had he five seven
2wsx890 2 years ago
Wait wait wait!!!
You shoot paper plates now?
What happened to the beer cans, did they outlaw alcohol in Austria?
:P
Pzgraf 2 years ago
cmon this is europe how could they outlaw the preccouse nectar
HeatSroken777 2 years ago 2
Please, what is a french Subtitled is planned?
Thanks
sazersoft 2 years ago
kto powiedzial, ze oni są od testów :P
GothicMan133 2 years ago
Dziecinne zachowanie, brak okularów ochronnych podczas strzelania. I oni są od testów?
PATROLnt 2 years ago
LOL. I think it's pretty clear the USP was overhopping, which is why that paper plate test didn't turn out well. But still, nice review.
ResidentEman 2 years ago 2
ihr überbietet euch von video zu video hab ich langsam den eindruck :-)
soooo topp sahne was ihr hier wieder abgeliefert habt...was soll man dazu noch sagen??
macht bitte weiter bis zur unendlichkeit und noch viel weiter mit diesem zeux!!!!
aatv rulez!!!!
hundvonulster 2 years ago
i love their voices you guys rock . sweet vid
xplodingbunnys 2 years ago
you rule.
Mustang1204 2 years ago
love the reviews keep it up!
thebladesman 2 years ago
scaar must have been REALLY excited to see shadow
etc7 2 years ago
More like put your HEV suit and crowbar away
littlemog92 2 years ago
Thank you. I enjoy all of your reviews.
nixpoopypants 2 years ago
personally, i just believe you need a tokyo marui M1911A1 and your done. just maybe put a metal reciever.
luverboy30 2 years ago
echo 1 rebrands jg
and they have a second QC
but as far as i am concerned echo 1 nas some pretty sturdy original guns too.
DanXDM 2 years ago
cool, i like my sig sauer p226 (anyone know where the saftey is on the gun, i cant find it)
ProjectD13X 2 years ago
does not have one. It has a double action trigger with a decocker instead. Remember, it is a military handgun, not a civi handgun. That is why it lacks a manual safety.
DOOMCame 2 years ago
The USP without safety was designed for police use, where you cannot afford pulling your pistol out and detach the safety, at least thats what the guy on the local airbase MP told me. All our regular units here in Germany have the P8, a USP in 9mm with safety.
Mustang1204 2 years ago
Its called "heckler und Koch"
Xboxfreaky1994 2 years ago
English
DanXDM 2 years ago
the company is Hecklor and Kock
AirsoftFaction 2 years ago
" kock" you sir are retarded or its a very lame joke
xr3verendx 2 years ago
German
DanXDM 2 years ago
damn i cant find the 5-7 in stock
CircusAndVincent 2 years ago
this will be the next best seller, im searching for one too
Polenar 2 years ago
What gas does the TM FiveseveN use?
FGxRaptor 2 years ago
were in a recesion beer ain't cheap anymore!
JamaicanBoy41 2 years ago
its the same gun echo1 rebrands it from jg, gives you a 30 day warranty and ads 30 bucks to the price so buy the jg
jacobalicea1 2 years ago
my favourite Counter strike weapon, lol next time show me some Austrian women.
xMATTSTERx 2 years ago 2
Australian u mean Austria is near Italy and Switz.
DroPShoTShArPShOoTeR 2 years ago
correction never mind lol
DroPShoTShArPShOoTeR 2 years ago
now i want the usp match! it looks awsome!!!!!
JI332 2 years ago
if you look at the five-seven's trades closely, they actually said TM instead of FN. they have a pic of it close up on Redwolf Airsoft.
Cosmo1093 2 years ago
next you should review the ksc crowbar
fingersticks74 2 years ago
i wish they could compare the TM 5-7 to the marushin 5-7
metalchocobo410 2 years ago
we thought about doing that, but the Marushin 5-7 is out of production, thats why TM got a shot at the trademarks.
ScaarAT 2 years ago
Ohhh i see! would the marushin be good for skirmishes?
metalchocobo410 2 years ago
The marushin is a wall hanger.
dom1940 2 years ago
you guys rock. lols
averag3 2 years ago
I don't like the Match, and I don't like plastic pistols :\
WillSnipe4Tacos 2 years ago
Great video, i still can't see myself buying the match version the original USP is sexy and the 5-7 i have no problems with
BOBCAT024 2 years ago
Great vid; very funny.
AirsoftingCARNOCHAN 2 years ago
Nice video as always from you guys
BowlingWithGrenades 2 years ago
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nice review and 1st veiw and commet!
Extremedude360 2 years ago