As Christians our responsibility is to have an intimate closer relationship with God and Jesus. All this pointless arguing takes you away from doing that. Keep in mind that Satan pulled you here. Don't let him keep you here. Quit commenting. Go read your Bible. Pray for yourself first. Then the wicked.. I won't be back here
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THE UNIVERSE could not have been active eternally because of entropy (energy decay, even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY (Internet Article): Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. If universe is left to itself, all energy will become useless and the universe cannot sustain any activity. Even in an open system, there must first exist an energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order, such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
AMINO ACIDS CAN COME BY CHANCE BUT NOT PROTEINS: Find out why. Read my Pravda Internet article: NASA, FANTASY, AND SCIENCE. Most (not all) scientists believe we're here by chance. That doesn't make the belief a scientific fact. Scientists are human and they have personal motives influencing their various beliefs concerning origins. Mathematical probability shows that it is not rational nor scientific to believe that DNA and life came about by chance. Study the evidence yourself!
THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, origin of life, etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
life is like a 'choose your own adventure' book. we have a few options on wat to do but not all of them are right. that is my opinion, that i have formed over the 21 years i have been a Catholic.no-one has to agree, i just thought id put it out there :)
@ThePowerV3 i specifically said you dont have to agree, that doesnt mean insult what i believe. fyi in most choose your own adventure books, picking the wrong path normally means you die
@VeritasLuxMea100 because i believe in free will, what i think is right and what you think is right will most likely be different. but for me id say the basics: love everyone and respect myself.
The truth is that some people are made for the fire. It is sad but it is the same logic as some of the zebra get eaten by the lion so as to show the rest of them to stay away from the lion. The truth is you either believe or you dont. An atheist doesnt go to hell. They just cease to exist. Only those who choose evil go to hell. The only sad thing is that an atheist has had the breath of life within them all along, but have failed to give honor to where it came from.
@twowitnessesoftheson While I still think that you are being delusional with the idea of god, I have never heard an argument or belief about the afterlife like yours. Your belief is both refreshing and an interesting way that one can actually CHOOSE their afterlife. Kudos for thinking outside the box.
ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
SCIENCE SHOWS THE UNIVERSE could not have been active eternally because of entropy (energy decay, even in an open system). Einstein confirmed that space, matter, time had a beginning! That beginning had to be supernatural because natural laws have no ability to bring the universe into existence from nothing. The supernatural cannot be proved by science but science points to a supernatural intelligence for the origin and order of the universe ~ HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM (Article)
CREATIONISTS RIGHT ABOUT ENTROPY (Internet Article): Entropy occurs in both open and closed systems. In every transfer of energy some of the energy becomes useless. Given enough time, all of the energy becomes useless and the universe cannot be sustain any activity. Even in an open system, there must first exist an energy-converting, directing mechanism to develop order, such as when a seed becomes a tree. Spontaneous order from chaos is not possible, not to any significant degree.
EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! This Internet article describes how evolutionary scientists are disagreeing over all the "evidence" traditionally used to support macro-evolution. I have given over a dozen lectures, including before evolution science faculty and students, refuting macro-evolution. At the end I would answer questions and arguments from the audience. The science faculty was mostly silent. They knew enough science to understand what I was saying was true.
EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, etc., etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
@alxstef And again im not trying to be rude or anything, but how would being an athiest be better than being a christian. Because it seems like many athiests are so sesitive to the question of there "being a god" that they will verbally attack someone if he or she thinks so. Why?
Almost every athiest video ive seen on youtube is just an attack on christianity. Im not saying that i know everything about christianity cause i dont. And im not saying that i can refute all of the attacks youre putting on christianity cause i cant. But face it, your worldview is to disbelief beliefs...(Im not insulting, im making an observation) Its sounds kind of self-refuting if you ask me.
@HmclPride err.. that is kind of the defenition of atheism, you dont believe in a god because there is no reason to think such a thing exists.How is it self-refuting?
Funny thing is, athiests who educate themselves on christianity know better than this. The rest of the athiests are generally just sheep following their flock.
"does anything happen that isn't according to God's will?"
Uh, yes of course things happen that aren't according to God's will. It's called free will. Humans have the opportunity to use their free will in a capacity far greater than any other creation in the universe.
The caller was ill prepared for questioning and the hosts ill informed on the subject matter.
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This isn't Atheist logic. It is idiot logic. These people in this video devote so much of their time in making fun of Christians. What sad pathetic people.
This is the opinion of someone that doesn't feel the need to attach a label to himself to make sense of the world.
I came to this channel just to see where people's minds are and it's sad to see people following such dumb characters. There are great philosophers and historians you can be reading or listening to not these angry phonies. Knowledge is so easily attained but wisdom is totally lacking here.
@giovanone So, would you be willing to call in and tell them how they have it wrong? I listen to every show, mention on the next one that someone Qwerty on Youtube asked you to call in, so I know. I look forward to hearing the debate!
@qwerty42a000000 Since we're nearing election I think a great debate about our nation and it's Godly foundations is in order, don't you think? I think they have it wrong on science, politics, history and theology so pick one or we can cover them all.
Too bad it didn't end there and the old hag turned her lights on, nooooo, she kept arguing. It's just the rest of us who understand that this was a pointbreaker. He destroyed christianity right then and there.
What's with all this talk. The question is simple. Will you be grateful and submit or not? We are all servants, slaves, in servitude, workers, small cretures running around in the earth, you are not larger than life. You are just a slave, yes a slave, no more, made from flesh and bones, nothing sophisticated. You were given vision, hearing, a heart etc. You can't even cause yourselt to sleep. But rather it's a mercy from your Lord. There's no point putting on some make up fooling others. come on
my friend believes that ghosts exist. I asked him to prove it and he still hasn't... but i didn't kinda wish that they did.. it would be kinda cool to be a ghost than the just... die.
Hell is the grave, it's translation comes from the Greek, Hades. There is only death in the grave until resurrection nothing more, no ghosts, no sitting on white puffy clouds or purgatory, these are never mentioned in the Bible except for a parable told by Jesus to point out the incorrectness of such false teachings.
As for free will, it seems logical to me, either you choice to accept God's way or you don't, it's your choice, no one else. The result of not following is the second death.
That was dumb. You ever heard of free will? Our father gives praise and he disciplines. You can't do wrong and not be punished if you if you don't turn away from it lol. Not here on earth or in heaven.
@Christmasgoat Thats still free will. Your allowed to follow god and go to heaven. Or not and do as you please and not go to heaven. Yeah its a dick move, but you have freedom to choose
@Christmasgoat That doesent make it any less of a choice. If i tell you "Go read or you will never have any friends. It's probably a good idea to go read, but you dont have too. And just because i know waht your going to pick, that doesent make it any less of a choice for you. it just means i know what your your choice was.
The difference is that you're not my all-powerful creator. If you tell me, "You should probably go read, and I know what you're going to choose"--and you're the one who CREATED me, knowing in ADVANCE that I would choose that--then, no, I don't have free will.
Those who try to argue for both God's omniscience and free will always, ALWAYS exclude God's omnipotence from the equation. A fully omniscient, omnipotent God eliminates any potential for free will.
@brpierce I don't mean to leave that out, I understand he is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere.But there is a differience between knowing something and limiting something. I'm able to choose what i want to do, yes god will know about the choice i make before i make it, but that doesent mean i dident make the choice. Right now, i can either kill myself, or eat a sandwhich. He knows which i will pick, but the decision is mine.
Is the decision yours? Let me ask you this: did God know before He created you which choice you would make? Could He have chosen to create a different person instead?
If the answer to both of those questions is "Yes," then your choice was predetermined. The only decisions that mattered were made before you were born, when God chose to create a person who would make that particular choice.
@brpierce Yes, it is. Yes, he does. Of course he could have, hes all powerful. Just because he created me knowing ahead of time what im going to do, doesent make it any less of my choice. I'm still making the choice that makes me end up there. Now why he would bother making me in the first place knowing im going straight to hell is another discussion entierly. But its still the choices i picked, that drove me to go to hell, he just knows about them. Before they happen.
"But its still the choices i picked, that drove me to go to hell, he just knows about them. Before they happen."
Again, you're deliberately leaving out His omnipotence. An honest formulation would be "And He chose to create, out of all the possible humans He could have created, one who would make exactly those choices." He could have NOT created you; He could have created a you who would make different choices. He didn't.
@brpierce Aah, there we go, thanks. i dident take into consideration the fact that he could have not created me with the factors that would send me to hell. =D Also, just so you know im an Atheist. lol. I just dident understand this whole free will thing. ^^
Where is your choice in that? Once God says, "I will create Bob, a human who will choose not to worship me and will go to Hell," is there anything Bob can do to change that? Can Bob fool God? Can he surprise God? Can he do something God didn't expect?
Simply saying, "God can have complete control over my creation and still give me free choice" doesn't make it so. You can also say "It's possible to have a square circle"--but that doesn't make it logically possible.
Moreover, what Biblical basis do you have for this "God wants us to be able to freely decide between good and evil" stance? Where does the Bible say that? Last I checked, God specifically did NOT want us to know good from evil. He FORBADE us that knowledge, and...when we disobeyed...punished mankind for it.
Did He want Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of good and evil all along? Was He lying about that? Did He punish them for following His plan?
@Ecocide112 you sir have contradicted yourself twice in one paragraph on two separate subjects, that is a feat in itself. And you dont see how your circular reasoning is showing. And your basing all this on faith..... tsk tsk. I wouldnt base anything on faith let alone something so important as a religious belief *i have none of those btw*
@MrSumbody69 Where have i contradicted myself? And i do not see, so how bout you point it out to me? And thats good for you, neither would i, myself being an atheist. And anti-theist.
@MrSumbody69 Romans 9:21-23 which says,“…does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use? Everyone here has a purpose and is part of God's plan. Some great minds have denied God. I'm not so sure that those unsaved people won't be given another chance : In fact I believe they will. I'm a little rusty as to what verse's those are but will find them
I do believe those unsaved that make it thru the tribulation will have an opportunity to be saved. There are already Muslims saying that the he has returned.The prophecies are coming to pass. It's not just the Christians saying the end is near. Although I believe it will be the Christians of religion to be fooled by the ANti-Christ
Plus our leaders will say it's so. What will an atheist say the Mark of the Beast is. Folk Lore. @Brpierce It was the tree of knowledge - they knew they were naked
It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not just the "tree of knowledge." Check Genesis 2:9, Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5, and Genesis 3:22. Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden because, by gaining the knowledge of good and evil, they had become too much like God. Let's deal with what the Bible actually says.
@floridaboy22 Every Christian I come across tells me there's free will, but if we choose to exercise it and not follow the word of god, we are condemned to hell. It's either god or hell, so what free will is there?
@StupidMonkeh I don't mean to be smart but you answered your own question. We as humans "think" we are here to just do what we want. We're not here to party all the time, do drugs, be lazy, work a 9-5 spending our life chasing money, drinking, and watch football. We are superior here on this earth but there is someone above us and we do answer to him. Some say "well I live a good life and I don't do that stuff." Jesus served others and he came here for us. We are to be Christ like (Love and
Please my friends keep asking questions about Christianity and seeking what it's all about. Google a Church Of Christ in your local area and have someone there show you not just tell you what it means to be a Christian. From there decide if you dislike Christianity and that God really is all the names some have called him.
@floridaboy22 is that me you are talking to? if not apologies but if so... read my posts, the 'gift' of free will is an irrelevence and to deny that statement is to misunderstand what it means to be omnipotent
So, either everything in existence is, was and always will be in accordance to god's will and all choices and outcomes are predetermined, signifying a "Master Plan" and our "free will" is just a plastic bag full of dogshit. OR the universe (or at least our tiny insignificant speck of it) is in a constant state of flux and chaos (butterfly effect) due to the millions of "I changed my mind."'s that happen every second & god has no control over anything. Fuck religions, I choose Chaos! Whoop Whoop!
@kc6201 Ok a few things here, firstly the woman on the phone is not properly educated about the questions that a lot of Christians ask and also has not taken it upon herself to find just arguments against the questions she was asked. Here is my view: Firstly hell is the absence of God. It is like saying something created darkness, no darkness is just the absence of light. Secondly, God gives you a choice to follow Him, He loves you enough to give you that choice and will hold you too it.
Why are people willing to believe in gods and wacky conspiracy theory's without proof or substance and yet are unable to accept hard evidence, reason and logic.
As for christian morality, it works in the same way as training lab animals, reward v punishment, that isn't morality it's conditioning.
If you need a book to tell you how to behave in society then your ether a fool or a sociopath.
@blattt188 You're joking, right? I mean, you don't actually intend for anyone to take you seriously, I'm sure.. but do you instead want us to laugh??? Pretty poor joke, if you ask me.... lol...
@inputverifier I'm not much of a comedian. If I was I would be a mocking scoffing insincere atheist who sadistically enjoys sucking the morality out of society & watching the little kiddies suffer for it.
@blattt188 Not at all sure where you think "kiddies" are coming into this picture, but then again, I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not joking either. Please, seek help. Ignore those voices.
@blattt188 If you are indeed hearing voices, or even just having uncontrollable notions and/or urges to believe that the world is being taken over by an invisible force.. I say that those are warning signs... Doctor.. If you however are compelled to take "action," please do dial 9-1-1 and tell the operator what you have just told me, as well as how you are feeling. I'm sure that they won't send any more than a few units to take you to the nearest mental evaluation unit.
@blattt188 I wouldn't mention that you are so deluded about the most moronic conspiracy theories, simply doe to society and kiddies, however... They may just lock you up for good. ;-)
@blattt188 sucking religious morality out of society is a bad thing? so encouraging things like education and curiosity about the world we live in is a bad thing.. and sucking religious morality - like hatred and discrimination towards people for their skin color, sexual orientation, religious views etc out of society is harmful? are you joking?
You are being disingenuous, that is a fact. You may think Christianity, and yes that is the religion you are talking about, promotes the things you say, but it isn't so. Even if it did promote outright intolerance, it deserves a place in society as other religions do. Can't you be a bit more honest instead of pathetic? As if Christianity promotes racism, HA. You make me laugh. Maybe inherent to the system is monogamous marriage, but not racism haha.
I could care less about politics. Jesus himself never cared about the state, that was followers of his trying their best to please him. However, I will say, after an honest study of the founding father's position on church and state, is that they regarded the church as a very healthy thing for a flourishing representative democracy. The majority of the founders were without a doubt, Christian and fervently so.
@v01741r31 Jefferson often identified himself as a Deist indirectly when he denied the divinity of Jesus and the trinity, but still referenced a creator. It doesn't really matter though. Secularism is defined as the separation of church and state which means state laws will be based off civil liberties and not religious doctrine. A secularist can also be religious.
I don't look down on people for having mental illness.. It's JUST a medical condition.. Never the less, I do suggest that you call your doctor before your delusions take full control.
Atheism is really not any different. People are taught from birth to believe in one set of assumptions over another. I like how the South Park episode portrayed a supposed atheistic reason and science based utopia. Contrary to what you may believe, many parents transfer their Christianity to their children through their actions and self sacrifice, not through indoctrination. Just as the racists, you are also ignorant of other people.
It is impossible not to. I am not saying that people vehemently teach their children, There is NO GOD, but I'm saying that it is impossible to be entirely unbiased in the raising of your child's perspective on life. I might be wrong, for the sake of humility I will place hope for an agnostic or atheist raising their child to think critically on their own and trying as a parent to foster critical thinking in their child as much as they know how.
What I desperately want people to see, is that Christianity and religion as a whole is not incompatible with reason and science. Even evangelical Christianity would not be in total conflict if it were formulated correctly. I just wish people would understand their opposition more, Christians vs atheists. Both sides really honestly do have things to learn from one another, if only the barriers were dropped and people would let their fears go.
Ahh come on. That was a little too easy.Everything that happens is according to gods will?? How about free will? Evil deeds of men!? He just set up the easiest trap, and that stupid, stupid woman played right into it. BTW. I'm not religious.
2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." This verse clearly states that it is not God's will for anyone to go to hell. But, God is a just God, and those who reject him must be sent to hell.
@LPD31314 no loving HUMAN father would ever tell his children..."I created you and gave you a home...so you can worship me and ill allow you to stay here...or you can choose not to and I will burn you for all eternity...so if God is supposed to be the HIGHEST example of Love, compassion and forgiveness...worship me or go to hell IS NOT JUST and is not LOVING...maybe your just wrong and the Bible is just a collection of stories and the REAL GOD is way cooler than ole made up Jehovah
@Metamorphosis33 No loving human father would force his children to spend eternity with him if his children didn't want to. Many people reject God don't want to worship him, so why would he force them against their will to worship him for all of eternity? That is not loving. Since God is good, separation from God (hell) is torture. Ultimately, people choose to send themselves to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
@LPD31314 LMAO what a ridiculous attempt to try and circumnavigate the argument..."No loving human father would force his children to spend eternity with him if his children didn't want to."...lmao this is the logic serial abusers use...I never forced my children to do anything...I gave them their own choice...but if they dont choose my way I beat the shit out of them, or in this case the father tortures his children for eternity for not worshipping him...sorry that you live in this illusion
@LPD31314 and what happens to the people on the little polynesian island that has never heard of christianity and therefore cant reject jesus becuase they dont know of him, do they go to hell? and besides God being omnipotent he knows everyones future so why make the human in the first place if he knows that human will reject religion - he is making them do damn them to hell, sounds like a nice god. and free will doesnt matter - irrespective of free will god still knows the outcome,poor ideology
Your objection is against organized religion and all of the theology that comes with it. The Bible really says nothing of such matters, it is only implied by theologians jumping a massive logical gap in assumption. Kind of like Calvinists jumping the gap saying that instead of the elect being predestined to salvation, that the non elect are by contrast predestined to separation from the presence of God. Think for yourself, don't automatically jump to atheism/agnosticism.
@utrapzab Well the Bible says those who seek God will find Him. So if someone is seeking God truly wants to know Him I believe God will reveal himself to them via a vision or missionary. And God would create those who He knew would reject Him because God respects humans and shows them dignity by allowing them to make the decision to reject Him. Also, if God only creates those whom He knows will believe in Him, then He takes away free choice by only giving life to believers.
@LPD31314 "God respects humans and shows them dignity by allowing them to make the decision to reject Him." which he follows up with torturing them forever...some respect eh?
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"Well the Bible says those who seek God will find Him."
i believed when i was younger, i prayed, nothing happend...
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fact of the matter is there is no reason why anyone should believe in a god from any religion.
@LPD31314 so by that comment you agree that god creates non believers knowing that they will be non believers and thus condemning them to hell, despite being this supposed all loving god - and you dont see the hypocracy, you dont see the conflict in that - the giving of free will is a red herring, god already knows you are not going to believe so what is the point?the only logical answer is that god is NOT what you think he is
r all religious types deliberate in their misunderstanding of logic
@Ch35h1r3C47 a hypocracy is an organisation (wether it be government or church) that perpetuates hypocrisy, you dont see that your church or whatever brainwashing organisation has deluded you and filled you with ignorance
also, next time you want to pull me up on a spelling error, as you perceive, have another check, and then do another one. in fact you can apply that to your religion too instead of blindly embracing the myth
and really is that your best response, pretty lame
@utrapzab Turns out that IS a word, only in the urban dictionary though as every other reference seemed to be a spelling mistake, as far as I saw and incorrect for the sentence in which you used it, unless you were specifically calling god the "organisation/government" in this case, which i can concede. Also how did you perform an olympic worthy leap from my attempt at a spelling correction to an assumption that you know what my beliefs are?
@Ch35h1r3C47 'god' is most definately an organisation under many differing religious guises, its not an entity or a being, it is a way to control the uneducated masses through fear and to take money out of your pocket through guilt. so despite being correct i will let it go, on the internet we are hardly doing an english exam are we.
olympic leap? an assumption based on you defending the religion, no one with a decent education and understanding of proven scientific study would do this
@utrapzab No, the church is the organisation, god is the figurehead, that's like saying the president or the queen *is* the government, they aren't.
Yes it was an olympic leap, i didn't dispute your point or defend the blatantly absurd concepts of christianity. All I did was correct what seemed to me to be a syntax, if not in fact a spelling, error. Somehow from that one word correction you managed to construct a concept of me as some sort of church-going bible-believing nut.
Loved watching the whole conversation. This lady is so damn stupid.
7gamex 3 hours ago
that logic stuff is a real pain in the ass xD
kataevans 3 hours ago
As Christians our responsibility is to have an intimate closer relationship with God and Jesus. All this pointless arguing takes you away from doing that. Keep in mind that Satan pulled you here. Don't let him keep you here. Quit commenting. Go read your Bible. Pray for yourself first. Then the wicked.. I won't be back here
Rickenbacker53 16 hours ago
@Rickenbacker53 Prove Satan did. He is just as much fantasy as your god is.
Boomx2Brian 13 hours ago
0:37 for a smug wanker
elSargent93 1 day ago
@elSargent93 What?
RagdollRalph 1 day ago
@RagdollRalph look at him and tell me that's not a punchable face
elSargent93 19 hours ago
@elSargent93 you cant see the woman face.
kataevans 3 hours ago
@Mogley52 Stop spamming, most of your comments show a complete ignorance of the theory of evolution.
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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DAWKINS, HITCHENS, AND HAWKING REFUSE TO DEBATE with creationists who are SCIENTISTS, such as the scientists at The Institute for Creation Research. Dawkins and his friends only debate non-scientist creationists. Read articles by scientists supporting creation at The Institute for Creation Research site. Read analysis from creation scientists about the latest news concerning genetics, fossils, astronomy, etc. that you won't read in the main stream media. Visit Institute for Creation Research.
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NATURAL SELECTION IS NO BLIND WATCHMAKER because it can only "select" traits, not produce them. If a trait survives, that survival is called being "selected." Natural selection operates only once there is life and reproduction, not before, so it couldn't have been involved in life's origins. A partially-evolved cell (an oxymoron) would quickly disintegrate. It couldn't wait ("survive") millions of years for chance to complete it and then make it alive! Read: HOW FORENSIC SCIENCE REFUTES ATHEISM
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APES ARE QUITE COMFORTABLE IN HOW THEY WALK, just as humans are quite comfortable in how they walk. Even a slight change in the position of a muscle or bone, for either, would be excruciatingly painful and would not be an advantage for survival. There's no hard evidence that humans evolved from ape-like creatures anymore than there's hard evidence that apes evolved from four-legged-pawed dog-like creatures. Read Internet article: MISSING LINKS THAT NEVER WERE.
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GENETIC AND BIOLOGICAL SIMILARITIES are better explained due to a common Designer Who designed similar functions for similar purposes in the various forms of life. Genetic information can't happen by chance, so this is the best explanation. So-called junk DNA is not junk. These "non-coding" segments of DNA have recently been found to be vital in regulating gene expression (how, when, and where genes are expressed in the body). Read my Internet article WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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AMINO ACIDS CAN COME BY CHANCE BUT NOT PROTEINS: Find out why. Read my Pravda Internet article: NASA, FANTASY, AND SCIENCE. Most (not all) scientists believe we're here by chance. That doesn't make the belief a scientific fact. Scientists are human and they have personal motives influencing their various beliefs concerning origins. Mathematical probability shows that it is not rational nor scientific to believe that DNA and life came about by chance. Study the evidence yourself!
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THE SCIENCE SUPPORTING CREATION (Google this title to access the site). The site presents a collage of evidences from science supporting creation and refutes arguments by evolutionists (i.e. "flaws" in design of human eye, "junk" DNA, embryonic recapitulation, age of the earth, fossils, origin of life, etc.). Also, read my Internet article ANY LIFE ON MARS CAME FROM EARTH. In the Earth's past, powerful volcanic activity spewed life-containing dirt into space very possibly reaching Mars.
Mogley52 2 days ago
@Mogley52 you're fried.....
azmanabdula 1 day ago
haha, YOU ARE SO MESSED UP!
FockerTheLopper 2 days ago
This Matt guy actually agrees with her, proves her wrong, and he's the one who's messed up?
therealjammit 3 days ago
@therealjammit He's agreeing with her for the sake of argument .
monkey99712 3 days ago
life is like a 'choose your own adventure' book. we have a few options on wat to do but not all of them are right. that is my opinion, that i have formed over the 21 years i have been a Catholic.no-one has to agree, i just thought id put it out there :)
doddyz19 4 days ago
@doddyz19 I couldn't agree more! That's why I've chosen to write my own.
pilsung26 4 days ago
@doddyz19 in "choose your own adventure" books you dont get threatened with eternal torture for choosing the wrong path.
as for the catholic church...lol, what a crock of scumbags
ThePowerV3 4 days ago
@ThePowerV3 i specifically said you dont have to agree, that doesnt mean insult what i believe. fyi in most choose your own adventure books, picking the wrong path normally means you die
doddyz19 3 days ago
@doddyz19 Can I ask what criteria you're using to determine which options are "right" and which are not?
VeritasLuxMea100 3 days ago
@VeritasLuxMea100 because i believe in free will, what i think is right and what you think is right will most likely be different. but for me id say the basics: love everyone and respect myself.
doddyz19 3 days ago
The lion needs food he's hungry.
Muskudos 4 days ago
The truth is that some people are made for the fire. It is sad but it is the same logic as some of the zebra get eaten by the lion so as to show the rest of them to stay away from the lion. The truth is you either believe or you dont. An atheist doesnt go to hell. They just cease to exist. Only those who choose evil go to hell. The only sad thing is that an atheist has had the breath of life within them all along, but have failed to give honor to where it came from.
twowitnessesoftheson 4 days ago
@twowitnessesoftheson While I still think that you are being delusional with the idea of god, I have never heard an argument or belief about the afterlife like yours. Your belief is both refreshing and an interesting way that one can actually CHOOSE their afterlife. Kudos for thinking outside the box.
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ALTHOUGH I'M A CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIAN (Baptist), I no longer believe that the Bible teaches eternal torment or suffering. The Bible teaches eternal punishment, but it's not eternal torment. In my popular Internet article, TRADITIONAL DOCTRINE OF HELL EVOLVED FROM GREEK ROOTS, I explain how and why teaching of eternal torment entered early into Christianity and how Scriptures have been misinterpreted and taken out of context to support that teaching. ~Babu G. Ranganathan (B.A. theology/biology)
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EINSTEIN CONFIRMED that space and time are just as physical as matter. That's why space and time can be altered by gravity, and space produces particles. Einstein's equations show that the universe couldn’t be eternal. It had a beginning. Einstein believed, because of science, in the existence of God behind the origin and order of the universe. He didn't believe in a personal God like Christians do, but he did believe science pointed to the existence of an all powerful and intelligent Creator.
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NATURAL LIMITS TO EVOLUTION: Only evolution within "kinds" is genetically possible (i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.), but not evolution across "kinds" (i.e. from worm to human). How did species survive if their vital tissues, organs, reproductive systems were still evolving? Read my Pravda Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS! I discuss: Punctuated Equilibrium, "Junk DNA," genetics, mutations, natural selection, fossils, genetic and biological similarities between species.
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ALL REAL EVOLUTION ( i.e. varieties of dogs, cats, etc.) in nature is the expression, over time, of already existing genes. Evolution is possible only if there’s information (genes) directing it. Only variations of already existing genes are possible, which means only limited evolution and adaptations are possible. Nature has no ability to invent new genes via random mutations caused by random environmental forces. That’s evolutionary faith, not science. Read my article, WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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IMAGINE A FISH WITH PART FINS, part feet with the fins evolving (transitioning) into feet. What survival benefit would there be? The fish couldn't use its fins or its feet, and there are no fossils showing such a creature ever existed. They only exist on automobile bumper stickers! There are no true transitional forms, either living or fossilized. Evolutionists realize this fact! Read my Internet article: WAR AMONG EVOLUTIONISTS!
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EXPLAINING HOW AN AIRPLANE WORKS doesn't mean no one made the airplane. Explaining how life or the universe works doesn't mean there was no Maker behind them. Natural laws explain how the order in the universe works, but mere undirected natural laws can't explain the origin of that order. Once you have a complete, living cell then the genetic code/mechanisms exist to direct the formation of more cells, but how did the cell naturally originate when no directing code/mechanisms existed in nature?
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everything is God's will...and if He wills that the nincompoop bald man goes to hell, so be it !!
unbelievers dont deserve to be in heaven
infinitekey 5 days ago
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infinitekey 5 days ago
''yeah that logic stuff is a real pain in the ass'' XD
ryonafan 5 days ago
@strato1956 As i said dude im not trying to piss you off. But, if you say its so logical, do you want to explain to me some of your logic?
HmclPride 5 days ago
@alxstef And again im not trying to be rude or anything, but how would being an athiest be better than being a christian. Because it seems like many athiests are so sesitive to the question of there "being a god" that they will verbally attack someone if he or she thinks so. Why?
HmclPride 5 days ago
@alxstef It just sounds more like an opinion than a belief to me.
HmclPride 5 days ago
Almost every athiest video ive seen on youtube is just an attack on christianity. Im not saying that i know everything about christianity cause i dont. And im not saying that i can refute all of the attacks youre putting on christianity cause i cant. But face it, your worldview is to disbelief beliefs...(Im not insulting, im making an observation) Its sounds kind of self-refuting if you ask me.
HmclPride 5 days ago
@HmclPride why is it self refuting to disbelief beliefs that are not based on physical evidence until evidence is presented
bardiche1989 5 days ago
@HmclPride err.. that is kind of the defenition of atheism, you dont believe in a god because there is no reason to think such a thing exists.How is it self-refuting?
Alxstef 5 days ago
@HmclPride No it isn't. YOU are just bent on making it seem that way because you fail to see anything from a logical or rational viewpoint.
strato1956 5 days ago
Funny thing is, athiests who educate themselves on christianity know better than this. The rest of the athiests are generally just sheep following their flock.
datsun2401972 5 days ago
@datsun2401972 Atheists are sheep following the flock? I wonder what other group we could say that about.
skegpit 5 days ago
"does anything happen that isn't according to God's will?"
Uh, yes of course things happen that aren't according to God's will. It's called free will. Humans have the opportunity to use their free will in a capacity far greater than any other creation in the universe.
The caller was ill prepared for questioning and the hosts ill informed on the subject matter.
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"Uh, yes of course things happen that aren't according to God's will. It's called free will."
Two questions for you:
1. Can a human act in a way that God has not foreseen?
2. Does God have total control over His Creation, or does he allow it to occur randomly?
brpierce 5 days ago
@datsun2401972 So god give me free will, even if I want it or not ? :D
TheDuck1234 5 days ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! SOBSOBSOBSOB! HAHAHAHAHAHA! SOBSOBSOBSOB!
naqdensjam 6 days ago
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"It's a real pain in the ass isn't it?"
I love this guy.
Orthrus 6 days ago
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This isn't Atheist logic. It is idiot logic. These people in this video devote so much of their time in making fun of Christians. What sad pathetic people.
This is the opinion of someone that doesn't feel the need to attach a label to himself to make sense of the world.
blkcpdconure 6 days ago
@blkcpdconure call it any logic you want.. it's logic. It makes sense. That's really all that matters.
khazal12 6 days ago
I came to this channel just to see where people's minds are and it's sad to see people following such dumb characters. There are great philosophers and historians you can be reading or listening to not these angry phonies. Knowledge is so easily attained but wisdom is totally lacking here.
giovanone 6 days ago
@giovanone So, would you be willing to call in and tell them how they have it wrong? I listen to every show, mention on the next one that someone Qwerty on Youtube asked you to call in, so I know. I look forward to hearing the debate!
qwerty42a000000 6 days ago
@qwerty42a000000 Since we're nearing election I think a great debate about our nation and it's Godly foundations is in order, don't you think? I think they have it wrong on science, politics, history and theology so pick one or we can cover them all.
giovanone 6 days ago
hear that reaction every damn time!
fadechicobuarque1989 1 week ago
Too bad it didn't end there and the old hag turned her lights on, nooooo, she kept arguing. It's just the rest of us who understand that this was a pointbreaker. He destroyed christianity right then and there.
Pinkaugust 1 week ago
What's with all this talk. The question is simple. Will you be grateful and submit or not? We are all servants, slaves, in servitude, workers, small cretures running around in the earth, you are not larger than life. You are just a slave, yes a slave, no more, made from flesh and bones, nothing sophisticated. You were given vision, hearing, a heart etc. You can't even cause yourselt to sleep. But rather it's a mercy from your Lord. There's no point putting on some make up fooling others. come on
lastsaracen 1 week ago
my friend believes that ghosts exist. I asked him to prove it and he still hasn't... but i didn't kinda wish that they did.. it would be kinda cool to be a ghost than the just... die.
sniped101 1 week ago
"That IS so messed up" Hee hee hee hee hee hee hee...
manson48 1 week ago
"Is five plus five ten?" "Yes."
"Then five plus five plus five is fifteen."
"That is so messed up."
PACKyourSHITfolks420 1 week ago 32
yeah that ''math stuff'' is so messed up x)
ryonafan 5 days ago
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ryonafan 5 days ago
Hell is the grave, it's translation comes from the Greek, Hades. There is only death in the grave until resurrection nothing more, no ghosts, no sitting on white puffy clouds or purgatory, these are never mentioned in the Bible except for a parable told by Jesus to point out the incorrectness of such false teachings.
As for free will, it seems logical to me, either you choice to accept God's way or you don't, it's your choice, no one else. The result of not following is the second death.
Priesty77 1 week ago
That was dumb. You ever heard of free will? Our father gives praise and he disciplines. You can't do wrong and not be punished if you if you don't turn away from it lol. Not here on earth or in heaven.
floridaboy22 1 week ago
@floridaboy22 Yeah right..
"Here little dudes, here's some free will... but fuck y'all if ya use it..."
That is not free will, that is slavery.
Christmasgoat 1 week ago
@Christmasgoat Thats still free will. Your allowed to follow god and go to heaven. Or not and do as you please and not go to heaven. Yeah its a dick move, but you have freedom to choose
Ecocide112 1 week ago
@Ecocide112 "Love me, or go fuck yourself" is not a choice, since the outcome was pre-determined by the so called loving god!
Christmasgoat 6 days ago
@Christmasgoat loving your work right there!
utrapzab 6 days ago
@Christmasgoat That doesent make it any less of a choice. If i tell you "Go read or you will never have any friends. It's probably a good idea to go read, but you dont have too. And just because i know waht your going to pick, that doesent make it any less of a choice for you. it just means i know what your your choice was.
Ecocide112 6 days ago
@Ecocide112
The difference is that you're not my all-powerful creator. If you tell me, "You should probably go read, and I know what you're going to choose"--and you're the one who CREATED me, knowing in ADVANCE that I would choose that--then, no, I don't have free will.
Those who try to argue for both God's omniscience and free will always, ALWAYS exclude God's omnipotence from the equation. A fully omniscient, omnipotent God eliminates any potential for free will.
brpierce 5 days ago
@brpierce I don't mean to leave that out, I understand he is all powerful, all knowing, and everywhere.But there is a differience between knowing something and limiting something. I'm able to choose what i want to do, yes god will know about the choice i make before i make it, but that doesent mean i dident make the choice. Right now, i can either kill myself, or eat a sandwhich. He knows which i will pick, but the decision is mine.
Ecocide112 5 days ago
@Ecocide112
Is the decision yours? Let me ask you this: did God know before He created you which choice you would make? Could He have chosen to create a different person instead?
If the answer to both of those questions is "Yes," then your choice was predetermined. The only decisions that mattered were made before you were born, when God chose to create a person who would make that particular choice.
brpierce 3 days ago
@brpierce Yes, it is. Yes, he does. Of course he could have, hes all powerful. Just because he created me knowing ahead of time what im going to do, doesent make it any less of my choice. I'm still making the choice that makes me end up there. Now why he would bother making me in the first place knowing im going straight to hell is another discussion entierly. But its still the choices i picked, that drove me to go to hell, he just knows about them. Before they happen.
Ecocide112 3 days ago
@Ecocide112
"But its still the choices i picked, that drove me to go to hell, he just knows about them. Before they happen."
Again, you're deliberately leaving out His omnipotence. An honest formulation would be "And He chose to create, out of all the possible humans He could have created, one who would make exactly those choices." He could have NOT created you; He could have created a you who would make different choices. He didn't.
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brpierce 2 days ago
@brpierce Aah, there we go, thanks. i dident take into consideration the fact that he could have not created me with the factors that would send me to hell. =D Also, just so you know im an Atheist. lol. I just dident understand this whole free will thing. ^^
Ecocide112 2 days ago
@Ecocide112
Where is your choice in that? Once God says, "I will create Bob, a human who will choose not to worship me and will go to Hell," is there anything Bob can do to change that? Can Bob fool God? Can he surprise God? Can he do something God didn't expect?
Simply saying, "God can have complete control over my creation and still give me free choice" doesn't make it so. You can also say "It's possible to have a square circle"--but that doesn't make it logically possible.
brpierce 2 days ago
@Ecocide112
Moreover, what Biblical basis do you have for this "God wants us to be able to freely decide between good and evil" stance? Where does the Bible say that? Last I checked, God specifically did NOT want us to know good from evil. He FORBADE us that knowledge, and...when we disobeyed...punished mankind for it.
Did He want Adam and Eve to eat the fruit of good and evil all along? Was He lying about that? Did He punish them for following His plan?
brpierce 2 days ago
@Ecocide112 you sir have contradicted yourself twice in one paragraph on two separate subjects, that is a feat in itself. And you dont see how your circular reasoning is showing. And your basing all this on faith..... tsk tsk. I wouldnt base anything on faith let alone something so important as a religious belief *i have none of those btw*
MrSumbody69 2 days ago
@MrSumbody69 Where have i contradicted myself? And i do not see, so how bout you point it out to me? And thats good for you, neither would i, myself being an atheist. And anti-theist.
Ecocide112 2 days ago
@MrSumbody69 Romans 9:21-23 which says,“…does not the potter have a right over the clay, to make from the same lump one vessel for honorable use, and another for common use? Everyone here has a purpose and is part of God's plan. Some great minds have denied God. I'm not so sure that those unsaved people won't be given another chance : In fact I believe they will. I'm a little rusty as to what verse's those are but will find them
Rickenbacker53 1 day ago
I do believe those unsaved that make it thru the tribulation will have an opportunity to be saved. There are already Muslims saying that the he has returned.The prophecies are coming to pass. It's not just the Christians saying the end is near. Although I believe it will be the Christians of religion to be fooled by the ANti-Christ
Plus our leaders will say it's so. What will an atheist say the Mark of the Beast is. Folk Lore. @Brpierce It was the tree of knowledge - they knew they were naked
Rickenbacker53 1 day ago
@Rickenbacker53
It was the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, not just the "tree of knowledge." Check Genesis 2:9, Genesis 2:17, Genesis 3:5, and Genesis 3:22. Adam and Eve were cast out of the garden because, by gaining the knowledge of good and evil, they had become too much like God. Let's deal with what the Bible actually says.
brpierce 19 hours ago
@floridaboy22 Every Christian I come across tells me there's free will, but if we choose to exercise it and not follow the word of god, we are condemned to hell. It's either god or hell, so what free will is there?
StupidMonkeh 1 week ago 8
@StupidMonkeh I don't mean to be smart but you answered your own question. We as humans "think" we are here to just do what we want. We're not here to party all the time, do drugs, be lazy, work a 9-5 spending our life chasing money, drinking, and watch football. We are superior here on this earth but there is someone above us and we do answer to him. Some say "well I live a good life and I don't do that stuff." Jesus served others and he came here for us. We are to be Christ like (Love and
floridaboy22 1 week ago
@floridaboy22 (Love and serve)
Please my friends keep asking questions about Christianity and seeking what it's all about. Google a Church Of Christ in your local area and have someone there show you not just tell you what it means to be a Christian. From there decide if you dislike Christianity and that God really is all the names some have called him.
floridaboy22 1 week ago
@floridaboy22 is that me you are talking to? if not apologies but if so... read my posts, the 'gift' of free will is an irrelevence and to deny that statement is to misunderstand what it means to be omnipotent
utrapzab 1 week ago
@utrapzab Apology excepted
floridaboy22 1 week ago
So, either everything in existence is, was and always will be in accordance to god's will and all choices and outcomes are predetermined, signifying a "Master Plan" and our "free will" is just a plastic bag full of dogshit. OR the universe (or at least our tiny insignificant speck of it) is in a constant state of flux and chaos (butterfly effect) due to the millions of "I changed my mind."'s that happen every second & god has no control over anything. Fuck religions, I choose Chaos! Whoop Whoop!
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
step 1 : lay logic trap
step 2: wait for replies
step 3:....
step 4 : trololol 0:35
cr4yv3n 1 week ago
@cr4yv3n step 5: profit?
Ch35h1r3C47 1 week ago
Christianity destroyed in 38 seconds.
kc6201 1 week ago 45
@kc6201 not really
koofyboy 1 week ago
@kc6201 Ok a few things here, firstly the woman on the phone is not properly educated about the questions that a lot of Christians ask and also has not taken it upon herself to find just arguments against the questions she was asked. Here is my view: Firstly hell is the absence of God. It is like saying something created darkness, no darkness is just the absence of light. Secondly, God gives you a choice to follow Him, He loves you enough to give you that choice and will hold you too it.
TheKmank1 1 week ago
Yeah... That tickles me.
FrankLightheart 1 week ago
Why are people willing to believe in gods and wacky conspiracy theory's without proof or substance and yet are unable to accept hard evidence, reason and logic.
As for christian morality, it works in the same way as training lab animals, reward v punishment, that isn't morality it's conditioning.
If you need a book to tell you how to behave in society then your ether a fool or a sociopath.
AndyCielecki 1 week ago
THE ATHEIST EXPERIENCE: Illuminati's greatest anti-morality brainwashing tool since Hollywood itself.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 you are an idiot my good sir
elibby071214 1 week ago 12
@elibby071214 okay maybe not the greatest. but Christ-haters seem to love this dusty old show.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 You're joking, right? I mean, you don't actually intend for anyone to take you seriously, I'm sure.. but do you instead want us to laugh??? Pretty poor joke, if you ask me.... lol...
inputverifier 1 week ago
@inputverifier I'm not much of a comedian. If I was I would be a mocking scoffing insincere atheist who sadistically enjoys sucking the morality out of society & watching the little kiddies suffer for it.
blattt188 1 week ago
@blattt188 Sorry, but you've completely lost me. I do still recommend that doctor's visit however.... Please, get help.. I beg you.
inputverifier 1 week ago
@blattt188 Not at all sure where you think "kiddies" are coming into this picture, but then again, I'm not a psychiatrist. I'm not joking either. Please, seek help. Ignore those voices.
inputverifier 1 week ago
@blattt188 If you are indeed hearing voices, or even just having uncontrollable notions and/or urges to believe that the world is being taken over by an invisible force.. I say that those are warning signs... Doctor.. If you however are compelled to take "action," please do dial 9-1-1 and tell the operator what you have just told me, as well as how you are feeling. I'm sure that they won't send any more than a few units to take you to the nearest mental evaluation unit.
inputverifier 1 week ago
@blattt188 I wouldn't mention that you are so deluded about the most moronic conspiracy theories, simply doe to society and kiddies, however... They may just lock you up for good. ;-)
inputverifier 1 week ago
@blattt188 sucking religious morality out of society is a bad thing? so encouraging things like education and curiosity about the world we live in is a bad thing.. and sucking religious morality - like hatred and discrimination towards people for their skin color, sexual orientation, religious views etc out of society is harmful? are you joking?
inconsp1cuous1515 1 week ago
@inconsp1cuous1515
You are being disingenuous, that is a fact. You may think Christianity, and yes that is the religion you are talking about, promotes the things you say, but it isn't so. Even if it did promote outright intolerance, it deserves a place in society as other religions do. Can't you be a bit more honest instead of pathetic? As if Christianity promotes racism, HA. You make me laugh. Maybe inherent to the system is monogamous marriage, but not racism haha.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@v01741r31 "Even if it did promote outright intolerance, it deserves a place in society as other religions do."
perhaps society, but definitely not politics.
inconsp1cuous1515 1 week ago
@inconsp1cuous1515
I could care less about politics. Jesus himself never cared about the state, that was followers of his trying their best to please him. However, I will say, after an honest study of the founding father's position on church and state, is that they regarded the church as a very healthy thing for a flourishing representative democracy. The majority of the founders were without a doubt, Christian and fervently so.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@v01741r31 ya tha whole seperation of church and state thing really shows they wanted religion to be a huge factor
MrMojoRisin53 1 week ago
@MrMojoRisin53
On the surface you would appear to be right. The funny thing is, the majority of Christians themselves agree with the separation of church and state.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@v01741r31 says you with nothing to support that claim..i fervently disagree..look no further than santorum and gingrich
MrMojoRisin53 1 week ago
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GeneraIRex 1 week ago
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@MrMojoRisin53 And by god neither of those people will win the election. The most genuine and most consistent candidate is Ron Paul.
GeneraIRex 1 week ago
@v01741r31 Most of the founding fathers were actually Deists, but above all they were secularists.
JamesHLanier 1 week ago
@JamesHLanier
A few of the prominent ones were deists like Franklin. Jefferson was a liberal Christian and not even a deist. Adams was a unitarian.
Depends how you define secularists.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@v01741r31 Jefferson often identified himself as a Deist indirectly when he denied the divinity of Jesus and the trinity, but still referenced a creator. It doesn't really matter though. Secularism is defined as the separation of church and state which means state laws will be based off civil liberties and not religious doctrine. A secularist can also be religious.
JamesHLanier 1 week ago
@blattt188 P.S.
I don't look down on people for having mental illness.. It's JUST a medical condition.. Never the less, I do suggest that you call your doctor before your delusions take full control.
inputverifier 1 week ago
@blattt188 im pretty sure religion is by far the greatest brainwashing tool known to man since..ever
MrMojoRisin53 1 week ago
@MrMojoRisin53
Atheism is really not any different. People are taught from birth to believe in one set of assumptions over another. I like how the South Park episode portrayed a supposed atheistic reason and science based utopia. Contrary to what you may believe, many parents transfer their Christianity to their children through their actions and self sacrifice, not through indoctrination. Just as the racists, you are also ignorant of other people.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@v01741r31 "Atheism is really not any different. People are taught from birth to believe in one set of assumptions over another."
I don't know a single atheist out there who has taught their children to not believe in a god. Do you?
qRaynep 1 week ago
@qRaynep
It is impossible not to. I am not saying that people vehemently teach their children, There is NO GOD, but I'm saying that it is impossible to be entirely unbiased in the raising of your child's perspective on life. I might be wrong, for the sake of humility I will place hope for an agnostic or atheist raising their child to think critically on their own and trying as a parent to foster critical thinking in their child as much as they know how.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@qRaynep
What I desperately want people to see, is that Christianity and religion as a whole is not incompatible with reason and science. Even evangelical Christianity would not be in total conflict if it were formulated correctly. I just wish people would understand their opposition more, Christians vs atheists. Both sides really honestly do have things to learn from one another, if only the barriers were dropped and people would let their fears go.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@qRaynep there are most definately athiests who teach their children athiesm. I know of one father of two for a fact.
datsun2401972 5 days ago
@blattt188 RELIGION: The greatest hoax man has ever pulled on himself
Metamorphosis33 1 week ago
Ahh come on. That was a little too easy.Everything that happens is according to gods will?? How about free will? Evil deeds of men!? He just set up the easiest trap, and that stupid, stupid woman played right into it. BTW. I'm not religious.
BadACL 1 week ago
@BadACL
If all of life goes according to god's plan then you don't have free will.
leftovers0 1 week ago
2 Peter 3:9 - "The Lord is not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance." This verse clearly states that it is not God's will for anyone to go to hell. But, God is a just God, and those who reject him must be sent to hell.
LPD31314 1 week ago
@LPD31314 no loving HUMAN father would ever tell his children..."I created you and gave you a home...so you can worship me and ill allow you to stay here...or you can choose not to and I will burn you for all eternity...so if God is supposed to be the HIGHEST example of Love, compassion and forgiveness...worship me or go to hell IS NOT JUST and is not LOVING...maybe your just wrong and the Bible is just a collection of stories and the REAL GOD is way cooler than ole made up Jehovah
Metamorphosis33 1 week ago
@Metamorphosis33 No loving human father would force his children to spend eternity with him if his children didn't want to. Many people reject God don't want to worship him, so why would he force them against their will to worship him for all of eternity? That is not loving. Since God is good, separation from God (hell) is torture. Ultimately, people choose to send themselves to hell by rejecting Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior.
LPD31314 1 week ago
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@LPD31314 LMAO what a ridiculous attempt to try and circumnavigate the argument..."No loving human father would force his children to spend eternity with him if his children didn't want to."...lmao this is the logic serial abusers use...I never forced my children to do anything...I gave them their own choice...but if they dont choose my way I beat the shit out of them, or in this case the father tortures his children for eternity for not worshipping him...sorry that you live in this illusion
Metamorphosis33 1 week ago
@LPD31314 and what happens to the people on the little polynesian island that has never heard of christianity and therefore cant reject jesus becuase they dont know of him, do they go to hell? and besides God being omnipotent he knows everyones future so why make the human in the first place if he knows that human will reject religion - he is making them do damn them to hell, sounds like a nice god. and free will doesnt matter - irrespective of free will god still knows the outcome,poor ideology
utrapzab 1 week ago
@utrapzab
Your objection is against organized religion and all of the theology that comes with it. The Bible really says nothing of such matters, it is only implied by theologians jumping a massive logical gap in assumption. Kind of like Calvinists jumping the gap saying that instead of the elect being predestined to salvation, that the non elect are by contrast predestined to separation from the presence of God. Think for yourself, don't automatically jump to atheism/agnosticism.
v01741r31 1 week ago
@utrapzab Well the Bible says those who seek God will find Him. So if someone is seeking God truly wants to know Him I believe God will reveal himself to them via a vision or missionary. And God would create those who He knew would reject Him because God respects humans and shows them dignity by allowing them to make the decision to reject Him. Also, if God only creates those whom He knows will believe in Him, then He takes away free choice by only giving life to believers.
LPD31314 1 week ago
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@LPD31314 "God respects humans and shows them dignity by allowing them to make the decision to reject Him." which he follows up with torturing them forever...some respect eh?
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"Well the Bible says those who seek God will find Him."
i believed when i was younger, i prayed, nothing happend...
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fact of the matter is there is no reason why anyone should believe in a god from any religion.
DemoraX 1 week ago
@LPD31314 so by that comment you agree that god creates non believers knowing that they will be non believers and thus condemning them to hell, despite being this supposed all loving god - and you dont see the hypocracy, you dont see the conflict in that - the giving of free will is a red herring, god already knows you are not going to believe so what is the point?the only logical answer is that god is NOT what you think he is
r all religious types deliberate in their misunderstanding of logic
utrapzab 1 week ago
@utrapzab *hypocrisy.
Ch35h1r3C47 1 week ago
@Ch35h1r3C47 a hypocracy is an organisation (wether it be government or church) that perpetuates hypocrisy, you dont see that your church or whatever brainwashing organisation has deluded you and filled you with ignorance
also, next time you want to pull me up on a spelling error, as you perceive, have another check, and then do another one. in fact you can apply that to your religion too instead of blindly embracing the myth
and really is that your best response, pretty lame
utrapzab 1 week ago
@utrapzab Turns out that IS a word, only in the urban dictionary though as every other reference seemed to be a spelling mistake, as far as I saw and incorrect for the sentence in which you used it, unless you were specifically calling god the "organisation/government" in this case, which i can concede. Also how did you perform an olympic worthy leap from my attempt at a spelling correction to an assumption that you know what my beliefs are?
Ch35h1r3C47 1 week ago
@Ch35h1r3C47 'god' is most definately an organisation under many differing religious guises, its not an entity or a being, it is a way to control the uneducated masses through fear and to take money out of your pocket through guilt. so despite being correct i will let it go, on the internet we are hardly doing an english exam are we.
olympic leap? an assumption based on you defending the religion, no one with a decent education and understanding of proven scientific study would do this
utrapzab 1 week ago
@utrapzab No, the church is the organisation, god is the figurehead, that's like saying the president or the queen *is* the government, they aren't.
Yes it was an olympic leap, i didn't dispute your point or defend the blatantly absurd concepts of christianity. All I did was correct what seemed to me to be a syntax, if not in fact a spelling, error. Somehow from that one word correction you managed to construct a concept of me as some sort of church-going bible-believing nut.
Ch35h1r3C47 1 week ago
@Ch35h1r3C47 i take it you are not infact religious then?
utrapzab 1 week ago