Weapon Demonstration: Family Business

[thewapow]

5.1 damage per pellet, pellet count 10.

5.1 x 10 = 74-76... valve logic

[StephenBa91]

@thewapow Max ramp-up: 7.65/pellet. Base damage is at a specific distance. Damage per pellet varies based on how close the target is. It's not just based on how many pellets hit.

[diegopabst]

bai bai gentherius's comments

[diegopabst]

@gentherius Look even more closely, it's there.

[utubepoopable]

they should make a shotgun for the heavy that has 50% less clip size but makes you run 10% faster while its out so heavys will use the shotgun more

[TheHman314]

I feel like the engie would benefit from this weapon, too.

[yohiunknown]

YOU! YES YOU! YOU ARE DEAD! *shoots cardboard soldier"

[TheLastDarkVanguard]

could work for all other Shottie-Weilding classes (not counting Scout however)

[DNAntti]

Medic could use this. its not op isnt it?

[buck7271]

well, it IS in fact better than the stock shotgun...but that's not saying much

[pikminprime02]

Please give this to pyro too Valve!

[XxAlex010]

Best shotgun in tf2 so stop bitching

[DrSlowking]

I wanted this for engie but we got the new laser gun so....

[TheTitto]

Oh hey Family Business. Listen.... I'm sorry for shelving you for so long. Do you mind if I use you again? ....I understand why you're mad, the sandvich was just nerfed and it's almost useless now. Want to go out and kill like out times? ....Great! You're the only secondary a Heavy needs now.

[6000NoobTube]

@TheTitto I had one, but it ended up in a Crossbow somewhere.

[GrandmaTuffits]

This + K.G.B: Kill an enemy with gloves first, then kill many with this shotgun.

[Kugawattan]

This has suddently become one of the best secondary weapons for the Heavy after the Sandvich nerf.

[GrounderTheRobot]

REAL MEN PUMPS ENTIRE SHOTGUN

[6thhokagephil]

plus side-10% clip

down side-not the sandvich.

[Emmiliagreen]

@6thhokagephil

Not anymore

[6thhokagephil]

@Emmiliagreen Yeah without the instant health with alt click, the family business isn't a bad choice for a secondary anymore.

[Thedeoradude]

because it's that fucking hard to create a goddamn vertex group eh valve?

[Seedotguy]

For some reason, I like this weapon's taunt better than the stock shotgun's,even though it's the same taunt. I guess it just looks cooler spinning than the shotgun does?

[YousufOuf2000]

i want a sharp dresser more than this gun

[TheSilverwings909]

i love my strange family business <3

[cloud314231]

the animations could use some work

[MystyrNile]

@cloud314231 What's wrong with them?

[cloud314231]

@MystyrNile He doesn't cock the shotgun at all for one.

and he spits out shotgun shells.

sorry look again.

[MystyrNile]

@cloud314231 Ah, I see.

[AandBbrothers]

@cloud314231 just get a fix.

[404namenotfound1]

@cloud314231 Tell that to the loch n load...

[cloud314231]

@404namenotfound1 at least it has moving parts...

as opposed to this.

Besides I think the Demoman just has really bad depth perception when reloading that weapon.

[CombineHgrunt]

@cloud314231 Community weapons in a nutshell

[TheIprefer]

This was my first TF2 weapon i found in the drop :)

[jeanpeup]

Best than the Shotgun for FFA

But still prefer Sandwich by far

[JSasRays]

useless gun is useless

[cloftus4]

@JSasRays

So which gun is the useless gun? the winger? definitely not this one, the family buisness is awesome

[JSasRays]

@cloftus4 its extremely weak, stock shotgun is way better. 2 extra shells is nothing...

[cloftus4]

@JSasRays

2 extra shells is awesome, it lets you keep up the pressure on enemies like scouts, and it helps make up for missed shots

[SonGOKUSSJ6]

@JSasRays Go get yourself some crits from KGB when you kill someone with it and then let the crit rape with Family Business BEGINS!

[juakinote]

got a strange family business from a crate...too bad i barely play heavy and when i do i barely use the shotgun

[MidnightMascott]

@juakinote Can I have it?

[juakinote]

@MidnightMascott sure...add me on steam and ill trade it when it becomes tradable tomorrow jan 24 im juakinote on steam

[ZombieMonkey7]

It's like valve knew nobody would give a shit about this weapon and didn't put any effort into it

[cloftus4]

@ZombieMonkey7

I use it though

[TwilightKun4]

still does over 70 damage at close range and 50 ad med range

way better then stock shotgun, but Sandvich still overshadows everything else

[SuperNESmanJr]

This should be for every class that uses the Shot Gun. Because all there is a larger clip size and reduced damage. There's no special ability like the Reserve Shooter or Frontier Justice. so Valve next update make the Family Business for everyone.

[partyxday]

@SuperNESmanJr It's probably because it's part of an Item set.

[SuperNESmanJr]

@partyxday Valve made the Reserve Shooter for Pyro and that is from a Soldier item set! :l

[cloftus4]

@SuperNESmanJr

They only gave pyro the reserve shooter because of how it complimented his abilities

[SuperNESmanJr]

@cloftus4 True so why not make the Family Business for Soldier, Pyro and Engineer. it's only a Shot Gun with a bigger clip and reduced damage no special abilities.

[cloftus4]

@SuperNESmanJr

The soldier is too much of an american patriot and justice lover to use a mobster shotgun, the engineer is too.... texan and smart to have it suit him, and the pyro...... well, he's the pyro

[SuperNESmanJr]

@cloftus4 you got a really good point there. so that just leaves the Pyro.. okay.. so the Pyro will get it.. right?

[cloftus4]

@SuperNESmanJr

Valve's not giving it to anyone else, but if they did.... I dunno what would keep the pyro from using it.

[SuperNESmanJr]

@cloftus4 Sad Violin: well i failed.. all of my hopes and dreams are gone... AAHH!!!

[Godfather91290]

@SuperNESmanJr This. 100% agree. It can easily be used by other classes! I'd DEFINITELY use it with Engineer to defend nests, finish off people easier with Pyro, and it balances the Soldier's other RL's that have less rockets per clip!

[SuperNESmanJr]

@Godfather91290 Exactly! what i don't get is that other people don't want it for Soldier Pyro and Engineer.

[MerosesY2K]

@SuperNESmanJr The only thing is that it is in a set with the tomislav.

[SuperNESmanJr]

@MerosesY2K The Reserve Shooter was giving to Pyro, and that was from a set for Soldier with the Liberty Launcher and Market Gardener. If the weapon was in a set that had a bonus then it cannot be for another class.

[MerosesY2K]

@SuperNESmanJr ah alright i see, it has no set effects. Alright then, your arguement is valid :P

[SuperNESmanJr]

@MerosesY2K Thank you for understanding.

[Michaeldragon800]

@SuperNESmanJr I agree this weapon should be used for any class that uses the shotgun, Though i feel this is underpowered since it does less damage and all it can offer to make up for it is 2 more shots per clip and that's it. This weapon should be buffed by giving it a faster reload.

[SuperNESmanJr]

@Michaeldragon800 Yes the damage loss is a problem but that wouldn't matter for Soldier and Pyro. Look at the Winger for example, it good for finishing off people, and when you use it with the Soda Popper it deadly. So what i'm saying is even though it's weak it would be a good finisher for Soldier if you're using a Liberty Launcher or Black Box, and for Pyro it's good for finishing people of at medium range. Although it would be bad agains other Pyros because it takes 1 extra shot to kill them.

[SoldierNo257]

@SuperNESmanJr But how is the Scout going to have the family business? he uses a scattergun.

[SuperNESmanJr]

@SoldierNo257 your last sentence answered your own question.

[SoldierNo257]

@SuperNESmanJr :o! -looks back at my question-

Oooohh...that slaps me on the head...

[privatepessleneck]

@SuperNESmanJr then it could be a REEL "family business"

[jordinyc]

TF2 WIKI, Y U NO SIDE BY SIDE COMPARISON?

[BestWT1]

who wants to trade cloak and dagger?

[jordan3802]

underpowered crap

[cloftus4]

@jordan3802

It's not underpowered

[jordan3802]

@cloftus4 why inset it?

[Emalcode]

I RECENTLY NOTICED... Where the fuck is the muzzle flash?

[TheFishBowl300]

they atleast could of shown a comparison with the regular shotgun.

[NerfMaster000]

Wait a minute! 0:14 Did that ammount of ammo left says 3????

[kokosnootful]

The lower damage doesnt really make this less useful, it's a nice weapon.

[InsaneNutjob]

Heavy eats shotgun shells for breakfast.

[joseaca]

it would be nice if the engineer could also use this

[SuperNESmanJr]

@joseaca you read my mind. i had the same idea

[Atauxa]

I think the weapon is supposed to pump like that because it maybe semi-auto, therefore not needing to be pumped

[cloftus4]

@Atauxa

They made it pump like that on purpose, some guy made a fix for it, and when he pulled back the trigger, there was a big black blob-thing under it, so he had to get rid of that AND make it pump, and fix the shells, and give it muzzle flash

[drfiree]

it's just family business.

[6000NoobTube]

I check damage dealt and ammunition, how much it heals, drawbacks, or how much it protects before choosing a good class weapon combination. I believe the Brass Beast, Sandvich, and the Fists for Heavy. Tell me what is your favorite.

[SegaMario]

Anyone want a fix for this weapon?

/watch?v=M4elhofz1AU

You're welcome. :)

[Nascarfan090]

SMALL GUN FOR HEAVY?

[GreenJakeNG]

YO YES YO YO AR DED :D

[edbo10]

Family Business users rejoice! Some guy at gamebanana released a fix for the FB, it fixes ALL the problems shown in the video - heavy no longer spits out shells and no longer pumps the whole gun!

[jordan3802]

more shells less damage.... GIVE ME MORE SANDWICHES

[HydroMonsoon]

...well, at least it looks cool...like an AK-47 and a shotgun put in a blender.

[Ryusuta]

Family Business fun - compare this to the Shotgun demonstration video:

Against the Pyro, the Family Business took one extra shot. Neither had to reload.

Against the Soldier it took one extra shot. Both had to reload before the final shot.

Against the Medic, it took THREE extra shots. The Shotgun reloaded on the 5th shot, the Family Business reloaded on the 7th shot.

The Family Business ALWAYS took more shots to kill, and NEVER saw the benefit of the extra clip size. great weapon, Valve!

[Emalcode]

@Ryusuta It can actually save you if the enemy was touched by a teammate =)

[Ryusuta]

@Emalcode Maybe if that happened three or four times in a row, with no chance to reload in between. Otherwise, the Shotgun would be able to handle the same situations, and better.

[MistrEgg]

Shit weapon that's bugged to all hell. The fact that valve can officially released such a bugged piece of shit and then never fix it just indicated how little they care about anything except their precious store.

[oiramldx]

This would be perfect for pyro.

[luizmw2]

@oiramldx why?

[raylegend33]

@luizmw2 Because pyro needs to be pampered with a weapon from the soldiers Uber set, why not give the pyro one from the heavies as well?

[SovietPlatypus]

Thats like the most useless shotgun in the game.

Wouldnt be as shitty if they gave it like aditional fire rate or less bullet spread or something else. But really a bigger magazine is just very useless compared to the normal shotgun ,I mean really the heavy doesnt even use the shotgun that much and when he does its certainly not an issue to reload the 6 shell magazine of the default one.

[privatepessleneck]

@SovietPlatypus i could be useful if you are trying to move somewhere and you can have yourself slowdown to prep your minigun, i think the mobster set for the heavy works best with other unlocks, like this would be perfect for the brass beast users that have a slow spinup time and move speed,

[SovietPlatypus]

@privatepessleneck My point's toward the normal shotgun

The normal shotgun does better and serves the same purpose :l

[privatepessleneck]

@SovietPlatypus :L well...if you have kgbs.....and get a kill with the kgbs.....you have a large clip to shoot at foes with family buesneis.

[vivhero]

@SovietPlatypus

The problem is that it is on a class that doesn't need it. Engineer, Pyro, they could use it much more effectively. Not so much with Heavy, unless you run Natasha,

[jasonz777z]

I just love how the entire gun gets pumped in order to chamber a new shell :P

[MickehDaHuskeh]

*KAPOW*

*heavy rubs the gun*

*heavy pukes shell*

Good job Valve. xD

[Thedeoradude]

>import into any modeling program with the shotgun's skeleton SMD

>select verts on pump

>assign to shotgun rig

HOLY FUCK. WAS THAT EVER HARD.

[noobersier]

their all dead heavy....

[REDspy51]

HEAVY Y U STEAL THIS FROM ENGINEER??

[luizmw2]

did anyone notice there is no muzzle when firing?

[jokemasterslifer]

@luizmw2

It's there.. half of the time.. But when it does show up, it comes out of the middle of the shotgun.. VALVE, Y U SO LAZY

[luizmw2]

family business heavy and bazaar bargain sniper should be good friends.

they should spit much bullets together...

[CaptnMorshu]

@luizmw2 made my day

[ihqWow]

Its pretty useless. You can ofcourse use KGB and use crits with Family Business, But its better if you use Tomislav instead of Family Business.

[plymouthdodgewrecks]

@ihqWow Tomislav's primary. Family Business is secondary. You can use them both.

[Lemonukeable]

@ihqWow Tomislav's damage seems to be kinda... finicky (spelling?) tho, due to the slower firing speed.

Still, I see your point, but it works well with other weapons because those have spin up times.

[drago433]

time making this weapon: 1 day

[luizmw2]

@drago433 i wish it used:

scrap metal

reserve shooter

[weezing22arbok]

Dat is sum SRS BSNS.

[Michaeldragon800]

The Family Business Shotgun Sucks. Aside from some animation flaws of this weapon This thing does less damage then the regular shotgun and the only thing it makes up for it lets you carry 2 extra shells per clip and thats it. Really why would i need a weaker shotgun that carrys 2 extra shells? This weapon would've worked better if it did the Opposite which should do 15%+ damage with 2/3 less shells to carry per clip.

[DWSimmy]

Engineer could use this.

[ode4951]

@DWSimmy nope.avi

[DWSimmy]

@ode4951 Why not?

[ode4951]

@DWSimmy frontier justige

[luizmw2]

@ode4951 "justige"?

[Lunarvx22]

Why would anybody take shotgun over sandvich? I play Heavy primarily, and I'd like to think that I'm very good with him. I'm never in a situation where I think "Gee, I wish I had my shotgun to use instead of my minigun."

[LawAbidingScout]

@Lunarvx22 well if you are ever faced by a sniper, its a better idea to combat him with the shotgun instead of revving up the mini gun, making you an easy headshot.

[SuperBobOmb64]

@Lunarvx22 Dude, I use my Shotgun all the time. Nobody really expects it, and I can destroy everybody with it.

It's also useful if you like to not be a medic buddy and go solo.

[The1AndOnlyMike]

It's not an amazing weapon, but it has proven to be more useful than the standard Shotgun in terms of being able to fire 2 extra times.

[Maxflay3r]

Yep... clipping reload animation.. shell ejection fail... but...wait... whats that?

*gasp*

HE ACTUALLY PUTS SHELLS INTO SHOTGUN!

[DWSimmy]

Brenden120 is wrong, he does pump the shotgun when it fires. If you look right after it moves back, he moves the slide back and you hear the clicking sound from the slide

[SADXhacker]

Valve didn't even make the weapon, man. Go bug whoever the hell did for not adding the proper parts.

[oopsIdidasuper]

@SADXhacker The people that make weapons for the game are only allowed to give valve the model, it's up to valve to animate it.

[cloftus4]

Finally, heavy gets a secondary that isn't food

[ShadowAssassin887]

The rare endangered shotgun heavy.

[MobilePissCannon]

The main purpose of this weapon is probably for disrupting snipers while they try to get the drop on you and/or your medic. The bigger clip means fewer reloads while you're blasting shell after shell in their direction.

[ChocolateNinjaStar]

Should have 9 shells instead of 8, or have the damage penalty reduced to 10%.

[CombineHgrunt]

Another weapon which makes the user spit out bullets...

[ahmad2117]

did anyone else realise that he puts the new shells behind the gun when he reloads

[pigsrockmyak47]

this was supposed to be fully automatic in th concept art , etc -.-

[iusethelancer1]

@pigsrockmyak47 Pretty meaningless, considering all weapons are fully automatic.

If by that you mean a higher firing speed, then the firecap for the shotgun is fast enough already

If you mean that he shouldn't cock the gun, he technically doesn't, as valve got lazy with the animations.

[UberFlippy]

A SECONDARY HEAVY ITEM THAT ISN'T FOOD?! UNHEARD OF!

[joseaca]

@UberFlippy OBJECTION!

the heavy is spitting shells, therefore he clearly was eating the shotgun ammo

[privatepessleneck]

@UberFlippy maybe its like a food item because heavy spits out spent shotgun shells...

[NobodyRoxasXIIII]

Heavy's Special Gun HSG Lol

[Specterish]

Would anybody recommend this? I'm considering using it but I'm not sure about ditching my Sandvich ;_;

[shunfglol]

@Specterish Keep the sandvich, an instant health pack is better than a shotgun

[WiiWillRockU2]

@shunfglol When running away with low health the full speed of the heavy is useful you can also just pelt shells at your enemy and having 8 is great if your upclose. Instead of waiting for your mini gun to spin up you can still do damage and possibly kill your target as your getting away to a dispenser or med kit. Remember there was a time when we HAD to use the stock mini gun, shotgun and fists ;). The Black Market set makes the heavy more "Speedy".

[utubepoopable]

give one of the best shotguns to a class that doesn't need it when hes got the tomislav!

[EntireTeamIsSpies]

THE HEAVY.

HE WILL SPIT BOOLET AT YOU.

[Titan990]

really now, complaining about animations? Comments like those make me lose faith

[pokefreakbror]

@Titan990 i found an animation fix on TF2 emporium :3

[dk64bestfan]

This could be for all the classes that have a shotgun

(soldier, pyro, heavy, engineer)

[bbsancler]

@dk64bestfan

Sure, american soldier needs a mafia shotgun. You are just another dumb "original" idea maker and ur ideas will never make it to the game.

[WhatsItToYa9]

@bbsancler Haters gonna hate.

And to be quite honest, Heavy doesn't need a Shotgun, so this is pretty useless as it is. Sandvich and co. are vastly superior, as they focus on giving the tanking Heavy more ways to stay alive.

[JamesMovingTarget]

I get this weapon 30 min ago and I AWASOME ! Big Magazine Rules, I give a crap about the damage penalty.

[privatepessleneck]

@IBringDoom well it promotes soldiers to light missile off at point blank range and they hardly get hurt but i get max damage

[TheMoonKitsune]

Add this to the Lazy Valve Collection.

Broken animations, broken viewmodel, and the shells come out of Heavy's mouth.

Keep up the good work, Valve.

[luizmw2]

@TheMoonKitsune at least he loads shells on the shotgun when reloading!

[LTmahkiller]

cool shells coming out of heavsys face

[BigGreen204]

This turned me into a shotgun hoovy :D

[privatepessleneck]

@IBringDoom oh, right,

[Skilledcheese]

They should give it 20% faster switch and 15% reload time

[RAAM855]

only heavy would be manly enough to spit shotgun shells.

[JCSStudios1264]

the graphic animations...

MINE EYES HURT

[leejustin96]

so.... shotgun shells come out of the heavy's face when you use this weapon?

I want this.

[privatepessleneck]

i don't like how weapons lose half their damage in only 10 feet, weapons in real life don't really do that, it annoys me :L

[Sparky6115]

I was hoping they would do a damage comparison to the default shotgun. :/

[supersonicbros23]

Looks like Heavy is spitting out the shotgun shells.

[Brenden120]

anyone else notice that he does not pump the shotgun, he just moves it?

VALVE stop being lazy with animations

[ChinsGaming]

@Brenden120 He does pump it, it is just a very quick movement, look closely and you will see he pump the shotgun. :)