Shes a TRAITOR to her country. If Vietnam veterans have to live with Vietnam, let her live with the fact shes was a (TRAITOR) to ever fighting man that served in country . They don't call her Hanoi Jane for nothing...When she was on that anti air craft gun on her visit . she stated, is this where you shoot down the Air Pirates ? >>American Pilots..you be the judge ...
Ms. Fonda now knows and understands that she was naive and misdirected in her views of that era, and she has repeatedly publicly apologized. Most people make a lot of mistakes in their twenties. She says she is following the teachings of Jesus Christ now. But those who refuse to forgive her do themselves—not her—a grave disservice. Hatred sucks.
she cared more about communism than she did about the troops "I think that one of the only ways that we are goin to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars ... History will judge them severely."
that i'd fuck her up. if i saw her right now explain that statment
yeah the bitch did eventualy apologize to the the veterans 16 years later
she was filming "Stanley and Iris" on location in a number of New England towns. The production efforts on the movie was being severely disrupted by protesting Vietnam veterans
she apologized to continue filming with out disruption to her movie. It was not a real apology judging by the context, her previouse statements. and the timing.
That, she made this movie to express how seriously committed to the troops who suffered and continue from suffering from PTSD brought on by the Vietnam War?
@outinsider she cared more about communism than she did about the troops "I think that one of the only ways that we are goin to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars ... History will judge them severely."
I am verry curious as to your ability to explain that statment away, while still deffending the contention that she isn't a traitor. Please Enlighten Me
If you are going to condemn anybody, learn how to spell the word "traitors" correctly. Secondly, if you are going to condemn anybody, condemn Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy for getting us involved in a war that should not have not have been fought. It is a shame that the troops suffered so much for a war that should have not been fought.
And I suppose blank absolute judgment rather than exploring actual facts and making an informed opinion is more credible than an actual intelligent debate.
@outinsider blank absolute judgement my ass i seen the pictures of her with the enemy viet cong soldiers i seen her speak about her bleeding heart self rightouse traiterous opinion. how is she not a traiter playing bud budy with not just the enemy (like the women and children that would be okay) BUT the FUCKING soldiers.....
..exactly, blank absolute judgment. If you knew of the circumstance, it was indirectly staged and a picture and video was taken. Secondly, she went there to highlight the injustice of the Vietnam War on the innocent Vietnamese. Thirdly, all she did was humanize this "enemy" which just so happened to have profound respect for America and Americans. At the time of that picture and video, she had just seen them perform Death Of A Salesman. It's all in her autobiography.
@outinsider listen the suffering sucatash soldiers in the pow camp gave her thinly roled peice of paper with the names of who was a live and some other shit and she fucking like a bitch went and told on them. and gave the letter back. if that isnt traiterous i realy do not know the meaning of the word; and think about how they were tortoured.
Them being tortured was not at all due to that visit with them. When she did visit them, she gave them letters from their families, with the assurance that when she returned to the States, she would tell their families how they were, which she did. She had nothing to do with them being tortured. What you just said is chock full of misinformation. Read her autobiography, its all described there.
@outinsider She fucking told The New York Times "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starvd. These were not men who had been brainwashed." "I think that one of the only ways that we are goin to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars ... History will judge them severely."
Even if Jane Fonda gave a great performance in this movie, I feel like it was a little hypocritical of her to be in a movie about the pain of Vietmam veterans. After all, she certainly didn't demonstrate much sympathy toward the vets or the soldiers when she stood toe to toe with Ho Chi Min. It's one thing not to believe in the war, but it's something else to betray everyone by making friends with the enemy.
Did you know that she started her antiwar activism with Vietnam Veterans for Peace in the late 60s, early 70s? Are they hypocritical for being against a war they fought in? Vietnam was not a legitimate war, and Fonda and the other antiwar activists were on the right side of history, but she made an unregrettable mistake with the photo and the video, but it is not like she intended to look like she was spitting on the troops. She wasn't the only one either-Quakers did too.
@outinsider No, the veterans certainly weren't hypocritical for protesting against a war they'd fought in. I agree that it wasn't a legitimate war, but She still should've known better than to have made that mistake. Even if she didn't mean for it to look like she was spitting on the troops, that's exactly the way it did look and the way she made many of the soldiers and vets feel. She may not have been the only one, but the Quakers didn't then star in a movie like this.
@outinsider I've seen various parts and sections of this movie, but I haven't seen it all the way through. But the basic plot is a hospital volunteer falling in love with a patient that's disabled from being in Vietnam, right? If that's the basic story line, then it is a movie that's stressing sympathy and respect for the vets and soldiers. I just don't feel that it made sense for Jane Fonda to star in a movie like this after what she did.
Well, considering that that storyline was generally her idea that she was trying to make into a movie since the early seventies, not to mention the fact that the story is based on the true story of Ron Kovic( Born on the Fourth of July), who she met in her activism in those years, and who befriended Fonda as well. Considering those facts, it makes perfect sense for her to be casted in that movie.
It might help you to see this movie and to read her autobiography, "My Life So Far," where she bluntly explains what she did in Vietnam and how that photo and video affected her activism.
@outinsider Yes, I'd like to see this movie and maybe I should read her autobiography before judging her. I guess you can say that I do have a predisposition to her because my mom really hated her for what she did. When you say "photo and video" do you mean the ones of her standing with HoChi Min?
I mean the photo of her sitting down on a shooter gun laughing and looking up to the sky, and the video of her doing that that got her in "trouble" in the first place. You'll read in her book that that was completely unintended.
love the movie but the reality from a story from my cousin who was a GREEN BERET WAS WAY WAY WORSE THEN ANYONE CAN IMAGINE PEAC TO UU MICHAEL MY COUSIN N MUCH LOVE ANGEL
I first saw this movie on TV around 1980 and not again until I rented it in 1998, but I never forgot the impact that it left and the level of craft that it contains. Powerful yet subtle. Hal Ashby''s finest film and he made several.
I think both Jane and Jon Voight gave great performances and deserved Oscars for this movie. It was moving and truthful about Vets returning injured or worse and not having anyone to turn to. I applaud their performances and the director of this film.
I think Jane Fonda deserved her Oscar for this as equally as she did for Klute. I think Coming Home was an important movie and communicates with us even today about war and what it does to people.
@outinsider agreed. completely. even if she seems a little awkward in the first half of the film, no other actress could've brought so much personal depth to sally's politicization than jane fonda, whose own growth social awareness from her vadim to hayden days really mirrors sally's own change. she's incredibly moving.
I think she is awkward is the first half of the film is because her character is your typical Army wife- just there and supporting of her husband, until she meets Luke at the VA hospital and literally becomes a compromise- wanting peace and the truth to come out about the government's views of Vietnam while supporting the troops for which her husband belongs to. She is incredibly moving. My favorite scene is when she wants to write a piece about the conditions of the VA hospitals.
@outinsider haha yeah, i totally agree, though by awkward i meant that it was very odd seeing jane fonda, such a staunch and secularized political activist, playing this docile whitebread housewife in the first half of the film. she seemed a little stiff and almost self-important in that skin. in the second half, though, when sally becomes radicalized, fonda just blows me the fuck away. totally deserving of the award.
I agree. One of my favorite scenes of hers is when she is presenting her article about conditions at the VA hospitals to her friends at the Army club and they totally disregard her.
As much as Fonda richly deserved the Best Actress Oscar for "Klurte" in 1971, she didn't deserve the same honor for this film. I recently saw it on one of the HBO channels and I found it to be very oudated and trite. Her performance is beige. The Oscar should have gone to Ingrid Bergman ("Autumn Sonata") or Jill Clayburg ("An Unmarrried Woman").
so many people still hate jane fonda for what she did to the POWs in hanoi. But the message here is a good one. In the 1960s we evolved to a state where we realized we didint automatically have to fight in a war just because the governemnt told us to.
First of all.....as disjointed as Vietnam was...they would NOT give Dern a decoration for shooting himself..and it would NOT be a BRONZE STAR placed on the WRONG side of his Uniform. AND dern...playng a marine would NOT call it a "Medal" when he would KNOW it's a decoration! And YES a "Psyche" case as the carradine character would NOT be allowed to ROAM about different wards!
@bambarn5678 ---good points. But nearly all movies involve either intentional or unintentional inaccuracies orerrors, mainly to make the fils more entertaining.
thank you thank you thank you for uploading this. this is my absolute favorite scene in the film and certainly fonda's best in coming home...she is astonishing to watch. it's amazing.
Most of the things I'm reading about her here about Vietnam are lies and gossip perpetrated by her detractors. The reality is much more mundane.
savvysearch 4 weeks ago
Jane Fonda can rot in hell for all I care. What she did in Hanoi is unforgivable.
JustLookin0811 1 month ago
she's not a traitor. she just spoke her mind.
she was phenomenal in this film and deserved this Oscar, her and Jon Voight both.
PianoMan1191 1 month ago
Shes a TRAITOR to her country. If Vietnam veterans have to live with Vietnam, let her live with the fact shes was a (TRAITOR) to ever fighting man that served in country . They don't call her Hanoi Jane for nothing...When she was on that anti air craft gun on her visit . she stated, is this where you shoot down the Air Pirates ? >>American Pilots..you be the judge ...
cymbali 1 month ago
Ms. Fonda now knows and understands that she was naive and misdirected in her views of that era, and she has repeatedly publicly apologized. Most people make a lot of mistakes in their twenties. She says she is following the teachings of Jesus Christ now. But those who refuse to forgive her do themselves—not her—a grave disservice. Hatred sucks.
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she cared more about communism than she did about the troops "I think that one of the only ways that we are goin to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars ... History will judge them severely."
that i'd fuck her up. if i saw her right now explain that statment
woods8870 2 months ago
yeah the bitch did eventualy apologize to the the veterans 16 years later
she was filming "Stanley and Iris" on location in a number of New England towns. The production efforts on the movie was being severely disrupted by protesting Vietnam veterans
she apologized to continue filming with out disruption to her movie. It was not a real apology judging by the context, her previouse statements. and the timing.
woods8870 2 months ago
@woods8870
fucking convenient , eh?
fucking bitch
hope she sees her grave before me so I can piss on hers
s6u6r6f6 2 months ago
In 1975, that fucking whore went to Moscow, thanking them "for sending assistance which the Soviet people are sending to Vietnam"
That Whore Cared More About Ideology COMUNISM More Than The Troops,
woods8870 2 months ago
@woods8870
Right, well, did you know she started protesting the Vietnam War after actually talking to Vietnam Veterans who were against the war?
outinsider 2 months ago
@woods8870
That, she made this movie to express how seriously committed to the troops who suffered and continue from suffering from PTSD brought on by the Vietnam War?
outinsider 2 months ago
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@outinsider she cared more about communism than she did about the troops "I think that one of the only ways that we are goin to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars ... History will judge them severely."
I am verry curious as to your ability to explain that statment away, while still deffending the contention that she isn't a traitor. Please Enlighten Me
woods8870 2 months ago
@outinsider bullshit
s6u6r6f6 2 months ago
@s6u6r6f6
Believe what you want, you misinformed miscreant.
outinsider 2 months ago
@woods8870
If you are going to condemn anybody, learn how to spell the word "traitors" correctly. Secondly, if you are going to condemn anybody, condemn Nixon, Johnson, and Kennedy for getting us involved in a war that should not have not have been fought. It is a shame that the troops suffered so much for a war that should have not been fought.
outinsider 2 months ago
@outinsider i agree with you about nixon and all that shit. but she was a traitorous bitch.
oh yeah and a person who cant argue the substance of the arguement grasps at the staw of spelling errors to regain some kind of creadibility
woods8870 2 months ago
@woods8870
And I suppose blank absolute judgment rather than exploring actual facts and making an informed opinion is more credible than an actual intelligent debate.
outinsider 2 months ago
@outinsider blank absolute judgement my ass i seen the pictures of her with the enemy viet cong soldiers i seen her speak about her bleeding heart self rightouse traiterous opinion. how is she not a traiter playing bud budy with not just the enemy (like the women and children that would be okay) BUT the FUCKING soldiers.....
woods8870 2 months ago
@woods8870
..exactly, blank absolute judgment. If you knew of the circumstance, it was indirectly staged and a picture and video was taken. Secondly, she went there to highlight the injustice of the Vietnam War on the innocent Vietnamese. Thirdly, all she did was humanize this "enemy" which just so happened to have profound respect for America and Americans. At the time of that picture and video, she had just seen them perform Death Of A Salesman. It's all in her autobiography.
outinsider 2 months ago
@outinsider listen the suffering sucatash soldiers in the pow camp gave her thinly roled peice of paper with the names of who was a live and some other shit and she fucking like a bitch went and told on them. and gave the letter back. if that isnt traiterous i realy do not know the meaning of the word; and think about how they were tortoured.
woods8870 2 months ago
@woods8870
Them being tortured was not at all due to that visit with them. When she did visit them, she gave them letters from their families, with the assurance that when she returned to the States, she would tell their families how they were, which she did. She had nothing to do with them being tortured. What you just said is chock full of misinformation. Read her autobiography, its all described there.
outinsider 2 months ago
@outinsider She fucking told The New York Times "These were not men who had been tortured. These were not men who had been starvd. These were not men who had been brainwashed." "I think that one of the only ways that we are goin to redeem ourselves as a country for what we have done there is not to hail the POWs as heroes, because they are hypocrites and liars ... History will judge them severely."
woods8870 2 months ago
@woods8870
Oh I see, you are one of those.
outinsider 2 months ago
horny bastard. get ur own wife, u legless freak
sliat1981 4 months ago
he's way too hot for that skank
howe5529 4 months ago
Jane Fondue...
6tonho12 5 months ago
boring movie but you do get to see jane fondas ass she was 40 she still looked good
MrBillcale 7 months ago
This is one of my all time favorites..The acting was great.Music was good. This film is so deep and touching to me.
lumbeegirl8 8 months ago
Even if Jane Fonda gave a great performance in this movie, I feel like it was a little hypocritical of her to be in a movie about the pain of Vietmam veterans. After all, she certainly didn't demonstrate much sympathy toward the vets or the soldiers when she stood toe to toe with Ho Chi Min. It's one thing not to believe in the war, but it's something else to betray everyone by making friends with the enemy.
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful
Did you know that she started her antiwar activism with Vietnam Veterans for Peace in the late 60s, early 70s? Are they hypocritical for being against a war they fought in? Vietnam was not a legitimate war, and Fonda and the other antiwar activists were on the right side of history, but she made an unregrettable mistake with the photo and the video, but it is not like she intended to look like she was spitting on the troops. She wasn't the only one either-Quakers did too.
outinsider 9 months ago
@outinsider No, the veterans certainly weren't hypocritical for protesting against a war they'd fought in. I agree that it wasn't a legitimate war, but She still should've known better than to have made that mistake. Even if she didn't mean for it to look like she was spitting on the troops, that's exactly the way it did look and the way she made many of the soldiers and vets feel. She may not have been the only one, but the Quakers didn't then star in a movie like this.
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful
Question: Have you even seen this movie? Also, had she not made that "mistake," would the war still have ended?
outinsider 9 months ago
@outinsider I've seen various parts and sections of this movie, but I haven't seen it all the way through. But the basic plot is a hospital volunteer falling in love with a patient that's disabled from being in Vietnam, right? If that's the basic story line, then it is a movie that's stressing sympathy and respect for the vets and soldiers. I just don't feel that it made sense for Jane Fonda to star in a movie like this after what she did.
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful
Well, considering that that storyline was generally her idea that she was trying to make into a movie since the early seventies, not to mention the fact that the story is based on the true story of Ron Kovic( Born on the Fourth of July), who she met in her activism in those years, and who befriended Fonda as well. Considering those facts, it makes perfect sense for her to be casted in that movie.
outinsider 9 months ago
@outinsider I suppose.
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful
It might help you to see this movie and to read her autobiography, "My Life So Far," where she bluntly explains what she did in Vietnam and how that photo and video affected her activism.
outinsider 9 months ago
@outinsider Yes, I'd like to see this movie and maybe I should read her autobiography before judging her. I guess you can say that I do have a predisposition to her because my mom really hated her for what she did. When you say "photo and video" do you mean the ones of her standing with HoChi Min?
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful
I mean the photo of her sitting down on a shooter gun laughing and looking up to the sky, and the video of her doing that that got her in "trouble" in the first place. You'll read in her book that that was completely unintended.
outinsider 9 months ago
@outinsider Oh, I figured that that's what you were talking about, but I wasn't sure. Didn't she formally apologize for doing that at some time?
stitchesful 9 months ago
@stitchesful
Read the book, she "formally" addressed the matter countless of times.
outinsider 9 months ago
love the movie but the reality from a story from my cousin who was a GREEN BERET WAS WAY WAY WORSE THEN ANYONE CAN IMAGINE PEAC TO UU MICHAEL MY COUSIN N MUCH LOVE ANGEL
shakerazz46 10 months ago
Jon Voight is such a brilliant actor.
KellyGreen5555 1 year ago
@KellyGreen5555 He certainly was brilliant. Too bad he's become a raving conservatard in his old age.
Seasass 1 year ago
she didnt voight did
SUNMAYDEN518 1 year ago
@SUNMAYDEN518 Both won!
Slowlondon 1 year ago
@SUNMAYDEN518 Jane did win an Oscar for this, Her second......
goolagong68 1 year ago
What is name of song at the end of this section ? The Musicians names ?
Aqene1000 1 year ago
@Aqene1000
tim buckley sings Once I was
best voice ever.
edumota 1 year ago
Did Jon Voight have an affair with Jane Fonda in real life? He had an affair with someone in this movie per his daughter and I'm wondering who it is?
krunlove 1 year ago
@krunlove What are you talking about?
KellyGreen5555 1 year ago
She won an Oscar for this?!
listentome94 1 year ago 2
@listentome94 YES
Slowlondon 1 year ago 3
@listentome94
how stupid are u?
My5819 8 months ago
@listentome94
UHM ABSOLUTELY
PianoMan1191 1 month ago
Awesome acting!! I remember seeing this in a theater back in '78. The ending just tore me up.
bigal838 1 year ago
Too bad this clip ends right as the Janis song 'Call On Me' starts is playing in the background. Fantastic movie and soundtrack.
PearlGirl1943 1 year ago 2
I first saw this movie on TV around 1980 and not again until I rented it in 1998, but I never forgot the impact that it left and the level of craft that it contains. Powerful yet subtle. Hal Ashby''s finest film and he made several.
industrialsun 1 year ago
Jane is an amazing actress.
teta809 1 year ago
I think both Jane and Jon Voight gave great performances and deserved Oscars for this movie. It was moving and truthful about Vets returning injured or worse and not having anyone to turn to. I applaud their performances and the director of this film.
lukeloveslauraalways 1 year ago 3
I think Jane Fonda deserved her Oscar for this as equally as she did for Klute. I think Coming Home was an important movie and communicates with us even today about war and what it does to people.
outinsider 1 year ago 5
@outinsider agreed. completely. even if she seems a little awkward in the first half of the film, no other actress could've brought so much personal depth to sally's politicization than jane fonda, whose own growth social awareness from her vadim to hayden days really mirrors sally's own change. she's incredibly moving.
ooks 1 year ago
@ooks
I think she is awkward is the first half of the film is because her character is your typical Army wife- just there and supporting of her husband, until she meets Luke at the VA hospital and literally becomes a compromise- wanting peace and the truth to come out about the government's views of Vietnam while supporting the troops for which her husband belongs to. She is incredibly moving. My favorite scene is when she wants to write a piece about the conditions of the VA hospitals.
outinsider 1 year ago
@outinsider haha yeah, i totally agree, though by awkward i meant that it was very odd seeing jane fonda, such a staunch and secularized political activist, playing this docile whitebread housewife in the first half of the film. she seemed a little stiff and almost self-important in that skin. in the second half, though, when sally becomes radicalized, fonda just blows me the fuck away. totally deserving of the award.
ooks 1 year ago
@ooks
I agree. One of my favorite scenes of hers is when she is presenting her article about conditions at the VA hospitals to her friends at the Army club and they totally disregard her.
outinsider 1 year ago
As much as Fonda richly deserved the Best Actress Oscar for "Klurte" in 1971, she didn't deserve the same honor for this film. I recently saw it on one of the HBO channels and I found it to be very oudated and trite. Her performance is beige. The Oscar should have gone to Ingrid Bergman ("Autumn Sonata") or Jill Clayburg ("An Unmarrried Woman").
jkfromcincty 1 year ago
anyone know what the name of the Joplin tune is at the end of this scene?
loyaldude10 1 year ago
@loyaldude10 "Call On Me"
DrPratfall 1 year ago
so many people still hate jane fonda for what she did to the POWs in hanoi. But the message here is a good one. In the 1960s we evolved to a state where we realized we didint automatically have to fight in a war just because the governemnt told us to.
swastikausa 1 year ago
Flaws are plenty in this great movie.
First of all.....as disjointed as Vietnam was...they would NOT give Dern a decoration for shooting himself..and it would NOT be a BRONZE STAR placed on the WRONG side of his Uniform. AND dern...playng a marine would NOT call it a "Medal" when he would KNOW it's a decoration! And YES a "Psyche" case as the carradine character would NOT be allowed to ROAM about different wards!
bambarn5678 1 year ago
@bambarn5678 ---good points. But nearly all movies involve either intentional or unintentional inaccuracies orerrors, mainly to make the fils more entertaining.
loyaldude10 1 year ago
Great Movie YES! But Some of the dialogue was MORE 1977 than 67-68.
Bruce Dern and Penelope Milford,COMPLETELY Steal the Film.
Reality:The Robert Carradine character,would NOT be permitted at a VA Hospital,as
a Psychiatric patient...to roam around various wards.
bugsmoran100 1 year ago
thank you thank you thank you for uploading this. this is my absolute favorite scene in the film and certainly fonda's best in coming home...she is astonishing to watch. it's amazing.
ooks 1 year ago