I see nothing wrong with the way the officers acted. That was fair. They saw you had a firearm, they asked if they were allowed in the building, the owners said no, they asked you to secure it or leave. That's fair.
Some one with a cell called in a complaint so you get cops and then the questions. It may even be the one with the gun that called in the complaint to try get the cops in trouble.
@samten10a One of the troopers was already sitting in the parking lot when I went into the restaurant. He waited 15 minutes before getting his two other friends there as well. The one who approached me was not the one who harassed me.
My concern over this issue is that you guys are doing this to get a reaction from police. Regardless if it's the State or local officers, they're morally required to do something. You can't expect them to sit there and watch someone walk into a crowded restaurant with a gun and do nothing. The next thing you'll see is a person walk into a public place and not get contacted because the open carry guys are trying to prove a point and get some media attention.
I cant find if they are required to post a sign. actualyl maybe the `owner` isnt even on teh premise. It`s reasonable that if thats teh case, then whoever is at teh register is `in charge` of making that decision.neither the officer or carryguy did anything wrong here. turning this into a harrasment/wrongfull seizure situation is off base and doesnt help the cause. the protest calling for the LEO firing or discipline is way too far given what happens in this video.
Businesses are not required to post a sign, but they can post one and they can ask you to leave if there is no sign up. If there was a sign posted, I would have never walked into the restaurant to begin with. There was no call to the police, but the officers took it upon themselves to intervene in making the decision for the business.
If there is a sign, I'm not going to patronize their business. As for the law, if you are not willing to leave, then you can be arrested for trespassing.
in that case 2 questions: 1. Is the it the RIGHT serpa holster? 2. How much gap between the size belt slots on the holster and your belt.
Only asking because I have virtually an identical setup (M&P45 fullsize and blackhawk serpa) and it doesn't make a peep. Though i can only carry at the range and private locations so have limited time with it. (Tx resident)
so can i carry my glock openly in milwaukee? i saw you guys went to the state patrol hq open carrying, i would have come if i'd known...some guy got piced up for open carry in menards like 2 years ago
You can carry in Milwaukee County, but beware of the school zones as that is illegal. Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has filed suit in federal court to strike down the WI GFSZ. So hopefully sometime in the future we can carry in more locations for our protection.
thats awesome!!!! i was totally unaware WI was an open-carry state...i am told, however, that in the city of milw., ed flinn has directed mpd, to put anyone open carrying on the ground, take there weapon,, and run a check on him/her...is this legal!!!??? i want to be a member of your Wisconsin Carry, Inc...how do i go about it-thanks and great job-you are a true American
Flynn said that publicly, but internal documents said to not interfere with law abiding people. If you want to join Wisconsin Carry, go to their site and sign up. As for any other get-togethers, watch the OCDO WI section.
I`m really dissapointed sir. I spent today wanting to get invovled in open carry awareness and volunteer to help getting concealed in WI. if this is how these carry groups react with LEO then forget it. I`ll have to find a more mature group to do it with.Like it or not, this is a change from the norm in WI. Its going to take patience and some getting used to from all parties.
I have got to say. There was nothing rude about the officers actions or attitud ein my opinion. He didnt harrass you. He asked if the PRIVATE business allowed firearms. they said NO. You were respectfully asked to leave. wich you did.Also respectfully this is EXACTLY how this interaction should have gone. unless something happens off camera im not aware of. sounds to me like the officers last words to you were " Have a good day. "
How could this possibly have gone any better for either of you?
Nothing like a cop with an attitude. This little prick thought he was something special. Love the way he walked away and then turned and stood with is arms crossed. Obviously he's never learned anything about body language. Spent 37 years in law enforcement and guys like this should be fired. PUBLIC SERVANT is a term they are not familiar with. They are jerks, power hungry buttheads.
i too and from sussex and this did not help our name at all. after seeing this video i was a bit upset. the officer did nothing wrong he simply asked if it was ok to have a gun in the restaurant. The owner did not seem to have ever thought of whether or not he would allow guns in the store. i do think the police out hear over due stuff all the time but this was not a big deal at least not enough to go on the .news. cops did the right thing
The owner said it was not allowed...you said I know that...ok so WTF leave then! I'm also from that area and pro gun..quit doing this shit and giving us a bad name! The officer did nothing wrong. You also hid the camera so you were trying to start something...fucking idiot
@SgtSchroeder26 I have been in there many times before and nothing has been said to me and no police were called and have never been called on me before. The owner originally said she did not know, meaning they have no policy one way or another. A week later, we (Wisconsin Carry and many of those who support people who can legally carry), ate at that restaurant. Guess what? No police were called. Seems to be perfectly legal to carry there.
@SgtSchroeder26 You fucken idiot COP! You have cameras rolling, along with live audio recording everything you and others say in order to use it against anyone, including those who you start shit with, yet somehow manage to lose those video tapes when you violate someone's civil rights, as has happened numerous times! The reason why people carry cameras around with them is to protect themselves from vicious and false allegations from bad cops, of where there are many! PoliceCrimes . com !!
@SgtSchroeder26 i think he was testing to see what tthe cop would do not to smart. i am a flat lander i come up to WI and open carry i dont have a cam running.,but i have never had a problem . maybe it's the way i dress and i am with my wife and kids i dont know .. how meny times have you had a problem . how did this cop know about the gun. he came in there to eat ?? let me know pleace
@nhornar15 How do you test something that is legal to do?
Oh, and on that day, I was wearing clean blue jeans, with a white sweater, a clean coat (but that was hung on the back of my seat), shaven, short hair cut (.5"). I am a law abiding citizen (100% clean record). There was nothing that would even show a probable cause to even question me.
What business is it of the cop if a legal citizen has a gun? Can you say brown shirts?
The lady said "I don't know" when the cop asked if they allow guns and still made the dude take ti the car? I'm glad I live in Texas, but even Texans can't open carry.
Morons in charge make for a very bad state of affairs
I thought the trooper was very professional, and I was impressed to see that the other 2 officers didn't get involved. Shows that it wasn't an issue for the trooper, just the guy who set up the scene....
This cop was a jerk. The cop should have had zero interaction with this man UNLESS the store owner complained. This is harassment and the cop should be reprimanded for it. The other two cops didn't get involved because they knew better.
And for those of you saying that he didn't run him to check for warrants, or anything. How do you know that? Were you sitting there with the trooper watching his every move. They do more for the safety of people than people realize and then they come under attack. I for one would rather have someone question someone carrying a gun and make sure that intentions were good rather than have a tragedy occur.
They did run my plate and came back clean (of course). The had to reason to question me as I have no committed a crime, was not committing a crime, nor was about to commit a crime.
It would do you well to study the State and Federal laws you live under. Whether you like it or not, that officer had no legal basis to approach the customer. You cannot detain an individual without "reasonable, articulable suspicion" that a specific crime is being committed. That's the law. Run for office and you can try to change it.
If there is no "reasonable, articulable suspicion" that a specific crime is being committed, an individual cannot be lawfully detained.
If he is not being detained for questioning, he has NO OBLIGATION what so ever to even respond to the officer.
When the officer says to him, "Owner says they don't allow guns in here", if he responds, "Am I being detained?", and the officer says no, he is advised to say, "Thanks, but I'm not interested in talking to you".
I don't think Aaron knows what he is talking about. If he is carrying a firearm which is in plain sight, and refuses to leave a business who doesn't want him in it, he can be arrested for trespassing.
I was never told to leave by the owner. The owners never called the police, they just happened to be there the same time I was. If I was asked to leave, I would leave and never buy anything from them again, and I would tell others to not support their business.
yea..and if it was someone with bad intentions and they see the cop coming what then? You can tell his intentions were good by the way he didn't start shooting people.
@sickofgameplayers They ran my plates and everything came back clean and yet they still decided to enter the restaurant to question the owner if OC was okay in their restaurant to which she originally replied as, "I don't know." He continued to ask her and of course with most Chinese people, you don't question the police. Of course, if I were a criminal, wouldn't I be carrying concealed rather than obeying the law on transporting my firearm and carrying it?
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Looks to me like you intentionally went in there with the intent to video the troopers or to see what kind of reaction you could elicit.
He clearly asked if they allowed guns on private citizens. They said no. He also stated that if they allowed guns then you would be allowed in there because of your 2nd ammendment rights.
With the way society is today, I would be leery if I was sitting in a restaurant and saw someone walk in with a gun. Especially with all the shootings recently.
@OpenCarryWIguy i hate to say this but unless you asked them if they where ok with it they might not come out and say there not ok with it. immmm just sayin. some ppl are intimidated by guns and ppl also stereotype ppl that have guns as ppl who are violent in nature. so they might not be ok with it there just afraid to interact.
I have yet to have a negative encounter with anyone, except this LEO. Most people don't care. Actually, let me clarify, most people don't notice you carrying.
If you ever see me around town, come and say hi. I don't bite....usually. :P
This is true considering i don't think i can say in my 17 years i have ever seen a person with a gun or at least like you said i haven't noticed. You did however help me with my Current events article for school. lol. ironically we are studding the amendments right now.
If somebody came in crazily shooting up the place, you'd be just fine with a law abiding citizen carrying because he would end the rampage BEFORE you were all shot dead (assuming those cops didn't show up for lunch). An armed society becomes a polite society when criminals aren't the only ones with guns.
@OpenCarryWIguy i live in sussex i would like to meet you. maybe i will run into you sometime. i also seem to have the same interests. scanners (have one) skywarn (am a trained sever weather spotter) and a ham radio operator.
Further, the trooper did not ask his name, run him for warrants, search him or his vehicle (not that he should have). Which just further shows this trooper wanted to make a statement to this oc'er that he's got his eye on him. Essentially that if this oc'er wanted to play the 2A 'game', that's fine but it wasn't going to happen without a challenge. Personally, I would have been embarrassed to have been called out like that, which I think is the minimum the trooper was trying to achieve.
And I fully expect sooner or later to have a LEO interaction (not looking forward to it frankly) which is precisely want I want evidence in my favor that I was not doing anything wrong. But for sake of argument, let's assume this oc'er was hoping to make waves with the troopers. According to the video, he did NOTHING overt to warrant LEO interaction. He didn't wave the handgun, he wasn't acting nervously or suspiciously. He was in fact eating, in a restaurant, like everyone else was doing.
I would also add that this oc'er has been accused on some forums of setting up these troopers because he had a camera. I also carry a camera when I oc to protect myself. I also have not oc'd at places because I felt like it was too likely to make a stink, and I'm never looking for trouble. Some have state that because oc is relatively new in WI, you have to expect LEO interaction at least at first. That's also EXACTLY why I carry a camera. It is new. (cont)...
I strongly oppose the possession, open, and concealed carry of firearms. However, it is a constitutional right and these officers had no business even approaching a law-abiding citizen eating his lunch. That man carrying a firearm is just as legal (or illegal for that matter) as people picketing outside their employer, a journalist publishing an article, or my right to go to church in Sunday. It's complete bullshit and I agree that the cop was asking a loaded question of the employee.
It would be nice, if just once! Cops would read the "oath of office" they took when they signed on. Cops have guns for personal protection! (not to protect us) Why do they think we need to be sitting ducks for the 3-10 minutes it takes for them to arrive on seine? Cops fill out murder, rape and robbery reports (after the fact) more often than they ever will... fill out reports stating how they (ever) stopped (any) crime in progress...
I'm so glad I live in Utah...OC or lose all your rights!
And I don't know if you read the link in the sidebar but this oc'er had 3 Sheriff's deputies show up at his house later that night to question him about possibly impersonating an officer. I don't know if you're from Wisconsin but very recently we've had developments in the open carry area politically speaking, which continues.
Sorry, miscommunique on my part. My last three posts were basically addressing ericy005 and his ilk, I was just wondering if he had a feel for what was going on in this State.
He could have just as easily walked in and said to the owner, do you allow red-haired people in here? Why pick out the oc'er? Because he had a personal agenda to harass the oc'er who was simply minding his business and enjoying his meal. Clearly the other two troopers aren't concerned- they go directly to get their food. And I can quite easily say thank you as well, but in an fu sort of way as he did.
I'll grant you that he could have been way more of an a-hole than he was, but so what.
@ExitRomeo I agree with you that these cops had an agenda to fulfill. However, the two cops--According to the Waukesha County Freeman--who were at the buffet getting food were there for that reason: to get food. They were State Troopers who met there for lunch and just happened to see this guy with a gun.
I agree fully the other two troopers were there to eat and also appeared mostly unconcerned about the oc'er. I read on one forum a poster claiming to be a LEO that the trooper was probably fearful of the oc'er especially considering the coffee shop shooting in Seattle(?). The video would dispute that as two troopers appear unfazed by the oc'er and the 1 trooper making the fuss even turns his back to the man-with-gun. Neither of which is likely to happen if you're in fear of your life.
@ericy005- Come on buddy. This patrolman had every intention to engage the oc'er, despite no complaints being made by anyone, Almost as an after-thought it bothered to stop and ask if they allowed guns in the restaurant(he practically fed the answer he wanted to the owner). It's clear to me no matter the answer he got he was going to engage the oc'er. And then he stands there with his arms folded. Was that a friendly gesture? Why did he single out the oc'er anyway, is the biggest point?
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The trooper was nothing but polite. You are massive fail. Stop trying to paint police in an unpopular light. If that was the worst of your trouble you had a good day.
If they don't allow guns then the LEOs should also go somewhere else to eat. Unless the restraunt manager asked the cop to remove the law abiding gun carrying citizen the cop should go about his own business. Also think the restraunt should post no guns allowed sign if they infact do prohibit them.
As I said in the video, I have been in there several times with no problems and there are no signs for or against legally armed citizens in their business.
Personally I am not a fan of open carry. But this cop was just looking for trouble. If the restruant owners ask the cop to remove the OCer, then fine. Otherwise the cop needs to mind his own buisness.
You can tell he is really pumped up to deny your 2A right. Watch his pace as he moves around the restaurant. He barely gets an answer from the lady behind the counter before he scrambles over to you. Bumping into chairs, arms crossed. He is layin down the law
Seriously...the cop was asking an employee a question of a person that did not speak English and kept asking the person till he got the answer he wanted...either way it didn't sound like they had a policy on guns...either way.
I like how the young whipper snapper is all up in your face and the other two seasoned officers just want to fill their faces.
I've said it before, I'll take seasoned officers over young ones any day, Generally, the seasoned officers know what life is about and are past the point of wanting to play cops and robbers. They just want to do their jobs and go home.
No, one was sitting in the parking lot when I pulled up and put my XD45 in my holster. He was waiting for his friends (two other LEOs) for a good 15 minutes before the third one (in the video) approached me). The camera was in plain view (Flip Ultra HD).
On a second viewing, he really was an ass. I'm just relating it to my past experiences where 10 seconds into the video I would have already been spread eagled on the ground :)
Cop was a dick. If they don't have a sign or say anything to you then fuck it. They allow guns lol
erichaywood7 2 months ago
I see nothing wrong with the way the officers acted. That was fair. They saw you had a firearm, they asked if they were allowed in the building, the owners said no, they asked you to secure it or leave. That's fair.
atomicwave 5 months ago
South Carolin has it codified in law that a sign must be posted at ever public entrance and must conform to a certain set of regulations
mckerob 11 months ago
So if he doesn't allow guns in his private business shouldn't the LEOs be forced to leave too? Sorry could not resist.
TheGrayman1234 1 year ago 3
Its funny how the other two officers go straight to the food bar, while the other guy was just standing there. haha
99firedudepwns 1 year ago
Some one with a cell called in a complaint so you get cops and then the questions. It may even be the one with the gun that called in the complaint to try get the cops in trouble.
samten10a 1 year ago
@samten10a One of the troopers was already sitting in the parking lot when I went into the restaurant. He waited 15 minutes before getting his two other friends there as well. The one who approached me was not the one who harassed me.
OpenCarryWIguy 8 months ago
Why did the cop bother asking if guns were allowed or not, when there wasn't even a complaint filed? Duh! Jerk cop!
platefullofbacon 1 year ago 4
keep up the good work! open carry is legal and must be exercised!
please open carry in green bay sometime. we need more open carry picnics and must make people aware of us!
wisconsindrunkard 1 year ago
My concern over this issue is that you guys are doing this to get a reaction from police. Regardless if it's the State or local officers, they're morally required to do something. You can't expect them to sit there and watch someone walk into a crowded restaurant with a gun and do nothing. The next thing you'll see is a person walk into a public place and not get contacted because the open carry guys are trying to prove a point and get some media attention.
wsp617 1 year ago
@wsp617 Please read JB Van Hollen's memo. OC is not enough reason for an officer to stop someone.
OpenCarryWIguy 1 year ago
I cant find if they are required to post a sign. actualyl maybe the `owner` isnt even on teh premise. It`s reasonable that if thats teh case, then whoever is at teh register is `in charge` of making that decision.neither the officer or carryguy did anything wrong here. turning this into a harrasment/wrongfull seizure situation is off base and doesnt help the cause. the protest calling for the LEO firing or discipline is way too far given what happens in this video.
dasgreco 2 years ago
Businesses are not required to post a sign, but they can post one and they can ask you to leave if there is no sign up. If there was a sign posted, I would have never walked into the restaurant to begin with. There was no call to the police, but the officers took it upon themselves to intervene in making the decision for the business.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
Is the business not required to indicate at the entrance that firearms are not allowed?
NoFnNamesLeft 2 years ago
If there is a sign, I'm not going to patronize their business. As for the law, if you are not willing to leave, then you can be arrested for trespassing.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
Another peaceful situation that gets hairy when the po po shows up and gets into the middle of something that's not their business.
NoFnNamesLeft 2 years ago
That's a whole lot of rattle, you walkin around with an AR or something?
Choncer 2 years ago
XD45 in a Blackhawk Serpa holster.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
in that case 2 questions: 1. Is the it the RIGHT serpa holster? 2. How much gap between the size belt slots on the holster and your belt.
Only asking because I have virtually an identical setup (M&P45 fullsize and blackhawk serpa) and it doesn't make a peep. Though i can only carry at the range and private locations so have limited time with it. (Tx resident)
Choncer 2 years ago
Yes, it is the right holster for my firearm. You were hearing my keys jingle at the end of the video.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
so can i carry my glock openly in milwaukee? i saw you guys went to the state patrol hq open carrying, i would have come if i'd known...some guy got piced up for open carry in menards like 2 years ago
GlockShooter83 2 years ago
You can carry in Milwaukee County, but beware of the school zones as that is illegal. Wisconsin Carry, Inc. has filed suit in federal court to strike down the WI GFSZ. So hopefully sometime in the future we can carry in more locations for our protection.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
thats awesome!!!! i was totally unaware WI was an open-carry state...i am told, however, that in the city of milw., ed flinn has directed mpd, to put anyone open carrying on the ground, take there weapon,, and run a check on him/her...is this legal!!!??? i want to be a member of your Wisconsin Carry, Inc...how do i go about it-thanks and great job-you are a true American
GlockShooter83 2 years ago
Flynn said that publicly, but internal documents said to not interfere with law abiding people. If you want to join Wisconsin Carry, go to their site and sign up. As for any other get-togethers, watch the OCDO WI section.
OpenCarryWIguy 1 year ago
I`m really dissapointed sir. I spent today wanting to get invovled in open carry awareness and volunteer to help getting concealed in WI. if this is how these carry groups react with LEO then forget it. I`ll have to find a more mature group to do it with.Like it or not, this is a change from the norm in WI. Its going to take patience and some getting used to from all parties.
dasgreco 2 years ago
I have got to say. There was nothing rude about the officers actions or attitud ein my opinion. He didnt harrass you. He asked if the PRIVATE business allowed firearms. they said NO. You were respectfully asked to leave. wich you did.Also respectfully this is EXACTLY how this interaction should have gone. unless something happens off camera im not aware of. sounds to me like the officers last words to you were " Have a good day. "
How could this possibly have gone any better for either of you?
dasgreco 2 years ago
It's not the officer's business to ask people to leave unless he owns the restaurant or the owners tell him a customer is refusing to leave.
aaronrun 2 years ago
Nothing like a cop with an attitude. This little prick thought he was something special. Love the way he walked away and then turned and stood with is arms crossed. Obviously he's never learned anything about body language. Spent 37 years in law enforcement and guys like this should be fired. PUBLIC SERVANT is a term they are not familiar with. They are jerks, power hungry buttheads.
neisdsucks 2 years ago
i too and from sussex and this did not help our name at all. after seeing this video i was a bit upset. the officer did nothing wrong he simply asked if it was ok to have a gun in the restaurant. The owner did not seem to have ever thought of whether or not he would allow guns in the store. i do think the police out hear over due stuff all the time but this was not a big deal at least not enough to go on the .news. cops did the right thing
kc9hyr2 2 years ago
The owner said it was not allowed...you said I know that...ok so WTF leave then! I'm also from that area and pro gun..quit doing this shit and giving us a bad name! The officer did nothing wrong. You also hid the camera so you were trying to start something...fucking idiot
SgtSchroeder26 2 years ago
@SgtSchroeder26 I have been in there many times before and nothing has been said to me and no police were called and have never been called on me before. The owner originally said she did not know, meaning they have no policy one way or another. A week later, we (Wisconsin Carry and many of those who support people who can legally carry), ate at that restaurant. Guess what? No police were called. Seems to be perfectly legal to carry there.
OpenCarryWIguy 1 year ago
@SgtSchroeder26 You fucken idiot COP! You have cameras rolling, along with live audio recording everything you and others say in order to use it against anyone, including those who you start shit with, yet somehow manage to lose those video tapes when you violate someone's civil rights, as has happened numerous times! The reason why people carry cameras around with them is to protect themselves from vicious and false allegations from bad cops, of where there are many! PoliceCrimes . com !!
platefullofbacon 1 year ago
@SgtSchroeder26 i think he was testing to see what tthe cop would do not to smart. i am a flat lander i come up to WI and open carry i dont have a cam running.,but i have never had a problem . maybe it's the way i dress and i am with my wife and kids i dont know .. how meny times have you had a problem . how did this cop know about the gun. he came in there to eat ?? let me know pleace
nhornar15 1 year ago
@nhornar15 How do you test something that is legal to do?
Oh, and on that day, I was wearing clean blue jeans, with a white sweater, a clean coat (but that was hung on the back of my seat), shaven, short hair cut (.5"). I am a law abiding citizen (100% clean record). There was nothing that would even show a probable cause to even question me.
OpenCarryWIguy 1 year ago
What business is it of the cop if a legal citizen has a gun? Can you say brown shirts?
The lady said "I don't know" when the cop asked if they allow guns and still made the dude take ti the car? I'm glad I live in Texas, but even Texans can't open carry.
Morons in charge make for a very bad state of affairs
2658flyfish 2 years ago
I thought the trooper was very professional, and I was impressed to see that the other 2 officers didn't get involved. Shows that it wasn't an issue for the trooper, just the guy who set up the scene....
Angelap313 2 years ago
This cop was a jerk. The cop should have had zero interaction with this man UNLESS the store owner complained. This is harassment and the cop should be reprimanded for it. The other two cops didn't get involved because they knew better.
rodeocowboy1 2 years ago
@Angelap313 What law had I broken to get this treatment?
OpenCarryWIguy 1 year ago 2
Im so sorry but I'm by washington Blvd 3rd District Milwaukee.
It wouldnt have went that cleanly if you were a black man
christianprogrammer 2 years ago
And for those of you saying that he didn't run him to check for warrants, or anything. How do you know that? Were you sitting there with the trooper watching his every move. They do more for the safety of people than people realize and then they come under attack. I for one would rather have someone question someone carrying a gun and make sure that intentions were good rather than have a tragedy occur.
sickofgameplayers 2 years ago 3
They did run my plate and came back clean (of course). The had to reason to question me as I have no committed a crime, was not committing a crime, nor was about to commit a crime.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
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BatmanX101 2 years ago
It would do you well to study the State and Federal laws you live under. Whether you like it or not, that officer had no legal basis to approach the customer. You cannot detain an individual without "reasonable, articulable suspicion" that a specific crime is being committed. That's the law. Run for office and you can try to change it.
aaronrun 2 years ago
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timsuha 2 years ago
If there is no "reasonable, articulable suspicion" that a specific crime is being committed, an individual cannot be lawfully detained.
If he is not being detained for questioning, he has NO OBLIGATION what so ever to even respond to the officer.
When the officer says to him, "Owner says they don't allow guns in here", if he responds, "Am I being detained?", and the officer says no, he is advised to say, "Thanks, but I'm not interested in talking to you".
aaronrun 2 years ago
I don't think Aaron knows what he is talking about. If he is carrying a firearm which is in plain sight, and refuses to leave a business who doesn't want him in it, he can be arrested for trespassing.
GsXrLuV 2 years ago 2
At what point in the video do the owners ask him to leave? I'm still not seeing it.
aaronrun 2 years ago
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timsuha 2 years ago
I was never told to leave by the owner. The owners never called the police, they just happened to be there the same time I was. If I was asked to leave, I would leave and never buy anything from them again, and I would tell others to not support their business.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
No one knows who shot those officers because he hasn't been caught. I'm sure he was open carrying and wasn't a felon...
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
yea..and if it was someone with bad intentions and they see the cop coming what then? You can tell his intentions were good by the way he didn't start shooting people.
hibraisil 2 years ago
@sickofgameplayers They ran my plates and everything came back clean and yet they still decided to enter the restaurant to question the owner if OC was okay in their restaurant to which she originally replied as, "I don't know." He continued to ask her and of course with most Chinese people, you don't question the police. Of course, if I were a criminal, wouldn't I be carrying concealed rather than obeying the law on transporting my firearm and carrying it?
OpenCarryWIguy 1 year ago
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Looks to me like you intentionally went in there with the intent to video the troopers or to see what kind of reaction you could elicit.
He clearly asked if they allowed guns on private citizens. They said no. He also stated that if they allowed guns then you would be allowed in there because of your 2nd ammendment rights.
With the way society is today, I would be leery if I was sitting in a restaurant and saw someone walk in with a gun. Especially with all the shootings recently.
sickofgameplayers 2 years ago
There were 4 other customers in sitting to the table next to me and they were complete fine with it.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
@OpenCarryWIguy i hate to say this but unless you asked them if they where ok with it they might not come out and say there not ok with it. immmm just sayin. some ppl are intimidated by guns and ppl also stereotype ppl that have guns as ppl who are violent in nature. so they might not be ok with it there just afraid to interact.
kc9hyr2 2 years ago
I have yet to have a negative encounter with anyone, except this LEO. Most people don't care. Actually, let me clarify, most people don't notice you carrying.
If you ever see me around town, come and say hi. I don't bite....usually. :P
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
This is true considering i don't think i can say in my 17 years i have ever seen a person with a gun or at least like you said i haven't noticed. You did however help me with my Current events article for school. lol. ironically we are studding the amendments right now.
kc9hyr2 2 years ago
If somebody came in crazily shooting up the place, you'd be just fine with a law abiding citizen carrying because he would end the rampage BEFORE you were all shot dead (assuming those cops didn't show up for lunch). An armed society becomes a polite society when criminals aren't the only ones with guns.
rodeocowboy1 2 years ago
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BatmanX101 2 years ago
Negative. There are no disorderly conduct tickets in WI for merely OCing (JB Van Hollen memo last year).
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
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BatmanX101 2 years ago
Yes, considering I want to get into Skywarn and storm spotting, my car isn't all that different from many of them.
And what facts am I leaving out? That I'm legally carrying, not a felon, a perfectly law abiding citizen? I guess we won't confuse the facts here.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
@OpenCarryWIguy i live in sussex i would like to meet you. maybe i will run into you sometime. i also seem to have the same interests. scanners (have one) skywarn (am a trained sever weather spotter) and a ham radio operator.
kc9hyr2 2 years ago
Further, the trooper did not ask his name, run him for warrants, search him or his vehicle (not that he should have). Which just further shows this trooper wanted to make a statement to this oc'er that he's got his eye on him. Essentially that if this oc'er wanted to play the 2A 'game', that's fine but it wasn't going to happen without a challenge. Personally, I would have been embarrassed to have been called out like that, which I think is the minimum the trooper was trying to achieve.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
And I fully expect sooner or later to have a LEO interaction (not looking forward to it frankly) which is precisely want I want evidence in my favor that I was not doing anything wrong. But for sake of argument, let's assume this oc'er was hoping to make waves with the troopers. According to the video, he did NOTHING overt to warrant LEO interaction. He didn't wave the handgun, he wasn't acting nervously or suspiciously. He was in fact eating, in a restaurant, like everyone else was doing.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
I would also add that this oc'er has been accused on some forums of setting up these troopers because he had a camera. I also carry a camera when I oc to protect myself. I also have not oc'd at places because I felt like it was too likely to make a stink, and I'm never looking for trouble. Some have state that because oc is relatively new in WI, you have to expect LEO interaction at least at first. That's also EXACTLY why I carry a camera. It is new. (cont)...
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
I strongly oppose the possession, open, and concealed carry of firearms. However, it is a constitutional right and these officers had no business even approaching a law-abiding citizen eating his lunch. That man carrying a firearm is just as legal (or illegal for that matter) as people picketing outside their employer, a journalist publishing an article, or my right to go to church in Sunday. It's complete bullshit and I agree that the cop was asking a loaded question of the employee.
tbird13936 2 years ago
It would be nice, if just once! Cops would read the "oath of office" they took when they signed on. Cops have guns for personal protection! (not to protect us) Why do they think we need to be sitting ducks for the 3-10 minutes it takes for them to arrive on seine? Cops fill out murder, rape and robbery reports (after the fact) more often than they ever will... fill out reports stating how they (ever) stopped (any) crime in progress...
I'm so glad I live in Utah...OC or lose all your rights!
10thmt87 2 years ago
And I don't know if you read the link in the sidebar but this oc'er had 3 Sheriff's deputies show up at his house later that night to question him about possibly impersonating an officer. I don't know if you're from Wisconsin but very recently we've had developments in the open carry area politically speaking, which continues.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
@ExitRomeo
Yes, I am from WI.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
Sorry, miscommunique on my part. My last three posts were basically addressing ericy005 and his ilk, I was just wondering if he had a feel for what was going on in this State.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
He could have just as easily walked in and said to the owner, do you allow red-haired people in here? Why pick out the oc'er? Because he had a personal agenda to harass the oc'er who was simply minding his business and enjoying his meal. Clearly the other two troopers aren't concerned- they go directly to get their food. And I can quite easily say thank you as well, but in an fu sort of way as he did.
I'll grant you that he could have been way more of an a-hole than he was, but so what.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
@ExitRomeo I agree with you that these cops had an agenda to fulfill. However, the two cops--According to the Waukesha County Freeman--who were at the buffet getting food were there for that reason: to get food. They were State Troopers who met there for lunch and just happened to see this guy with a gun.
tbird13936 2 years ago
I agree fully the other two troopers were there to eat and also appeared mostly unconcerned about the oc'er. I read on one forum a poster claiming to be a LEO that the trooper was probably fearful of the oc'er especially considering the coffee shop shooting in Seattle(?). The video would dispute that as two troopers appear unfazed by the oc'er and the 1 trooper making the fuss even turns his back to the man-with-gun. Neither of which is likely to happen if you're in fear of your life.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
@ericy005- Come on buddy. This patrolman had every intention to engage the oc'er, despite no complaints being made by anyone, Almost as an after-thought it bothered to stop and ask if they allowed guns in the restaurant(he practically fed the answer he wanted to the owner). It's clear to me no matter the answer he got he was going to engage the oc'er. And then he stands there with his arms folded. Was that a friendly gesture? Why did he single out the oc'er anyway, is the biggest point?
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
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The trooper was nothing but polite. You are massive fail. Stop trying to paint police in an unpopular light. If that was the worst of your trouble you had a good day.
ericy005 2 years ago
If they don't allow guns then the LEOs should also go somewhere else to eat. Unless the restraunt manager asked the cop to remove the law abiding gun carrying citizen the cop should go about his own business. Also think the restraunt should post no guns allowed sign if they infact do prohibit them.
trckrchris 2 years ago
@trckrchris
As I said in the video, I have been in there several times with no problems and there are no signs for or against legally armed citizens in their business.
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
The cop was stirrng up trouble where there was none file a complaint
johnmaylivesv 2 years ago 7
@johnmaylivesv no i think he wanted to hang his ass real good look at it real good. that cop was pissed a littel i think
nhornar15 1 year ago
Personally I am not a fan of open carry. But this cop was just looking for trouble. If the restruant owners ask the cop to remove the OCer, then fine. Otherwise the cop needs to mind his own buisness.
maddyfishes 2 years ago 5
Nothing else better to do but make waves, obviously.
pringelsfan007 2 years ago 2
You can tell he is really pumped up to deny your 2A right. Watch his pace as he moves around the restaurant. He barely gets an answer from the lady behind the counter before he scrambles over to you. Bumping into chairs, arms crossed. He is layin down the law
aaronrun 2 years ago
No more MSG for this cop!
Seriously...the cop was asking an employee a question of a person that did not speak English and kept asking the person till he got the answer he wanted...either way it didn't sound like they had a policy on guns...either way.
10thmt87 2 years ago
LEO creating a conflict where one need not exist....
rmodel65 2 years ago 12
I like how the young whipper snapper is all up in your face and the other two seasoned officers just want to fill their faces.
I've said it before, I'll take seasoned officers over young ones any day, Generally, the seasoned officers know what life is about and are past the point of wanting to play cops and robbers. They just want to do their jobs and go home.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago 2
No, one was sitting in the parking lot when I pulled up and put my XD45 in my holster. He was waiting for his friends (two other LEOs) for a good 15 minutes before the third one (in the video) approached me). The camera was in plain view (Flip Ultra HD).
OpenCarryWIguy 2 years ago
On a second viewing, he really was an ass. I'm just relating it to my past experiences where 10 seconds into the video I would have already been spread eagled on the ground :)
What kind of camera do you use?
ExitRomeo 2 years ago
Nice job, but I hate that you even had to be bothered by it to begin with. He seemed fairly decent for a LEO after initially telling you to get out.
So I missed it. Did they get called on you or did they notice you with it?
Also, did he see you had a camera or was it hidden? They always get nicer when you have a camera.
ExitRomeo 2 years ago