Every guy being named who is "better" than Rob Ray are all over 6'4 and wiegh over 235....Rob Ray never had a boring fight and ko'd lots of dudes he never took steroids as did guys like twist and almost always gave up 4 or more inches and 15 to 20 lbs. Yet feared nobody He truely was an amazing fighter and and even better person off the ice Rob Ray will never be surpassed in buffalo sabres history
vial made the classic mistake when ray loses it cause someone usually is getting him off balance with the left while throwing with the right, you NEVER just want to let the dogs fly with the razor point in case this vid or the bonvie vid
so its grimsons fault that he was born tall? Being tall doesn't always give you an advantage, you have shit for leverage when you're tall. The whole point of a fight is using your advantages better than the other guy uses his. And to say that grimson is overrated makes you sound like more of a dumbass. Go take a punch from grimson and see if you are still standing. If anything, domi is a piece of shit, that guy jumped people before they even dropped their gloves. little man symdrome
Kocur never KO'd Ray but he more than schooled him in 2 of the 3 fights they had. That being said Ray was still a very dangerous fighter for any opponent but he certainly was not a top 5 in any year he fought and that's not a shot at the guy. Ray played in the late 80's and through the 90's where heavyweights reigned supreme and he did well. He had some huge wins, a laundry list ok clear TKO's but he also ate his fair share of punches.
IMHO the 5 most fearsome fighters of the last 30 years, 1)Derek Boogaard 2)Joey Kocur 3) Tony Twist 4) Rob Ray 5) Dave Brown 5) Stu Grimson Boogey (look at his KO/Broken Face count since he came into the league, it rivals JK's) Kocur (flat out scary once he started swingin, guys would rather have fought Probie than him) Twist (Argue he was juiced, but he was scary in the line up) Ray (Pistons for hands) Grim/Brown (When they snapped, look out!Power,speed and bloodlust! GULP!)
He could never be ranked higher than Probert, McSorley, McKenzie, Twist or Grimson and they played over the same span. Players did not fear Ray like they feared the others I mentioned. McSorley did not have the KO's as Ray did but fighters knew when they took on 33 they were in for a War. Nobody knew what Marty was going to do that's why he was feared. Nobody feared Domi either but he had many more wins then Ray did and against the cream of the crop.
"BUT RAY HAD A MUCH LONGER CAREER OF BEING A TOUGH GUY" ya and do u know why?? cause kocur's right hand was always messed up and he had to get surgery to repair it. his knuckles were so deformed that doctors told him if he kept fighting the way he did his hand and knuckles would NEVER heal. that's why in the later part of joey's career he threw more with the left than the right. for example, in the 80's he always had over 200 pim's, then in the 90's his most pim' was 131 a season. far less
yeah Kocur had a better knock out punch and was more feared than Ray but he was also boring to watch...most Kocur fights = clutching + grabbing, then an uppercut or two by Kocur knocking his opponent down. I like Kocur but he was a sleepy guy to watch, Probert was by far more exciting and a better fighter at that
Ray may not have had the KO punch like Kocur but he molested a lot of guys (Bonvie, Kyte, Vial, Odgers, etc) and even when they made Ray tie down his jersey he still kicked ass!
shows how stupid you are, and you said it, "he was the only nutcase to fight him 3 times",,, exactly,,, he did NOT HAVE MORE KNOCKOUTS THAN KOCUR, HE WAS TOUGH, BUT NOT ON KOCURS LEVEL, STOP BEIN A HOMER AND START BEING A REALIST, OK,,, I KNOW ITS FUN TO CHEER UR HOMETOWN BOYS, BUT AT LEAST GIVE CREDIT TO THOSE THAT EARN IT,, IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT RAY WAS TOUGHER THAN KOCUR, IT IS A FACT THAT KOCUR WAS ARGUABLY THE BEST PUNCHER EVER IN HOCKEY,, "KO"
NO SHIT, RAY STILL TOUGHER THAN ANY GUY IN THE LEAGUE. I KNOW KOCUR WAS A BETTER KNOCKOUT,BUT RAY HAD A MUCH LONGER CAREER OF BEING A TOUGH GUY. IF KOCUR HAD THE HARDEST KNOCKOUT AND THE MOST FEARED, AND RAY FOUGHT HIM 3X. THAT MAKES RAY A TOUGH SON OF A BITCH, AND KOCUR NEVER KO'ed RAY.
I can't believe Rays not considered to be one of the true greats when it came to fighting. Of course he lost some, I mean your going to when you fought as much as he did.And like other's said, he wasn't that big of a guy and fought almost anyone who would throw down. But honestly, has there been another hockey player who KO'd as many guys as Ray did? He had the gift for hitting guys just right and knock them on there fanny.
Ray won and lost..... BUT he was only considered a HEAVYWEIGHT because he backed down from NO ONE!!!!! He has to be one of the smallest heavyweights around and I do watch a bit of boxing!!!
and the whole glove throwing thing...that was for the fans..his job was to fight for the team...he didnt throw the gloves hoping for them to affect..he did it for the fans, ray was a class act, heart and soul for the sabres, and god damn it he would fight anyone at anytime, not when the time is right..but anytime! dont bring up brashear ever again because if you want to talk about an overrated fighter..its brashear, watch him get rocked by ray
did it for the fans???? lmfao! Show me another fighter anywhere on youtube where a guy waits and throws his gloves at his opponents face. You call that a class act? You are a fucking tool. Face it. You wanna suck Rob Ray's cock....admit it! lmao You are so pathetic Haney. You keep saying that so and so did roids, with no proof. Just shut your cock washer and get back in the closet, gimp!
You keep bringing up cock, whats your deal "Gimp" haha aka tony twist's small balls from roids....TWIST DID ROIDS! Even his fans know that moron... Ray was an enforcer for his team, Ray has done alot of shit for buffalo (heart and souler) alot of community services for the public, if you ever met the guy in person you would have a better understanding of ray...Show me Twist commitments besides steroids...
Are you retarded? You don't know about Twist's community service? He spent a week in intensive care back in 1999 when he was struck shortly after completing a 1,500 mile charity bike run you moron! it was called the Iron Horse 99' tour. Look it up, fucknut!
and as far as kocur goes...i respect kocur and domi. Ray won and lost against domi, kocur never stayed on his feet long enough for ray to drop him...and as far as brashear goes, ray whooped his ass BEFORE HE WAS ON ROIDS....and laraque is 4 inches and about 45 pounds heavier then ray...ray was out of his prime, laraque was goin into his...so stop your bullshit
No he didn't whip Brashears ass ever. He was getting killed when he got his shirt off finally and landed 1 good punch after he ate about 20! Ken Belanger kicked Ray's ass, and show me where Donald Brashear tested positive for steroids. Never happened, but thanks for playing dipshit!
lmao half of the people he fought? Get off the fucking crack pipe dipshit! Ray was an overrated bitch. The toughest guys in the league were in the old Norris division where Probert, Baumgartner, Kocur, Twist and Domi resided. Ray LOST to every legitimate heavyweight. Look at what happens when he fights Kocur, Brashear and Laraque. Season's beatings dipshit!
Ok moron, ray never got the shit kicked out of him...NEVER you never see him knocked out even when twist broke his orbital bone... however you see him KNOCKING THE FUCK out of other players,
and as far as kocur goes...i respect kocur and domi. Ray won and lost against domi, kocur never stayed on his feet long enough for ray to drop him...and as far as brashear goes, ray whooped his ass BEFORE HE WAS ON ROIDS....and laraque is 4 inches and about 45 pounds heavier then ray...ray was out of his prime, laraque was goin into his...so stop your bullshit
Dude you think because kocur lands on top he "beat" rays ass...Beating someones ass is what happened in this video...Domi Beat ray..but ray also beat domi's ass...o and about 4 years ago brashear tested positive for roids....but apparently you look up to those faggits who cant fight and has to use roids
lmao he NEVER tested positive for Steroids. Look it up dipshit! If he did you'd be able to google the story! It doesn't exist because some loser like you made it up because Brashear beat up some pussy like Rob Ray!
Brashear Gained 30 pounds during one summer..they said he had some back acne problems(from steroids)..even the best natural body builders said its nearly impossible to gain that much muscle in a span of 5 months....And how the fuck is ray a pussy? HOW? YOU MAKE NO SENSE HE FOUGHT EVERYONE! ANYONE NO MATTER HOW BIG! look at him against stu grimson(6inchs taller,30lbs heavier) then him..ray splits his face open!
He fought kocur 3 times! who else does that? Ray knew kocur has the hardest punch but guess what...Ray still fought him not once, twice, but 3 times! even brashear didnt know what to do with kocur besides hug him..just like any other fight he's in
You claimed Brashear tested positive...which is lie number 1. You said Ray punched harder than Kocur....which you are now admitting is lie number 2. Just admit Ray was overrated and get it over with because you've been proven wrong. Kocur was tougher, end of discussion.
Watch his fight from 98-99 with Oliwa. Ray got his ass kicked in NJ and was playing the back end of a home in home series. He held onto his gloves and tried to throw them in oliwas face and land a sucker shot, but failed. He was a dirty fighter that looked for any advantage he could get. He also suckered Ken Belanger in the back of the head, giving him a concussion. Belanger beat that bitche's ass for that 1.
Dude, face it, you keep on bringing up new fighters to talk about because the more you watch ray the more you realize he;s a good fighter so you look for more excuses. Against Oliwa once again he didnt get his "ass Beat" you are used to watching brashear fight...aka "hug" oppenent and fall to the ground...Oliwa has roughly 6 inchs and 30 pounds on ray...but ray hung with him
When is the "alleged season he put on 30 pounds over the summer? I'd like to know, because when he came up with montreal, he was already into bodybuilding! He was 6'2 225 his rookie season! He is now listed at 230lbs! Where the fuck did you learn math? He NEVER gained 30 pounds in his entire career! Nice try though jackass!
"Rob ray got beat more often then not? Check out the compilation...he doesnt knock 1 person out he knocks half of the people he faught out "
You think they're going to put Rob Ray getting beat in a Rob Ray compilation? That's like saying Patrick Roy had a 1.000 Save % throughout his career after watching a Pat Roy save compilation.
irlnd32 you obviously arent familiar with rob ray...he was one of the biggest bad asses to ever drop the gloves...he won most of the fights he ever got into.
Vial is nails man, kinda feel bad for him he was worn out from being the only Heavy Ottawa had there for a while... Troy Mallette or Troy Murray (one of the two)were there for a stint but Vial had to drop em night in & night out.. dont blame him for losing this one at all. Rayzor is nails 2.
Every guy being named who is "better" than Rob Ray are all over 6'4 and wiegh over 235....Rob Ray never had a boring fight and ko'd lots of dudes he never took steroids as did guys like twist and almost always gave up 4 or more inches and 15 to 20 lbs. Yet feared nobody He truely was an amazing fighter and and even better person off the ice Rob Ray will never be surpassed in buffalo sabres history
iamstupid32 2 weeks ago
vial made the classic mistake when ray loses it cause someone usually is getting him off balance with the left while throwing with the right, you NEVER just want to let the dogs fly with the razor point in case this vid or the bonvie vid
myPAINisSELFchosen85 6 months ago
rob ray was a beast
TheChubbs24 6 months ago
so its grimsons fault that he was born tall? Being tall doesn't always give you an advantage, you have shit for leverage when you're tall. The whole point of a fight is using your advantages better than the other guy uses his. And to say that grimson is overrated makes you sound like more of a dumbass. Go take a punch from grimson and see if you are still standing. If anything, domi is a piece of shit, that guy jumped people before they even dropped their gloves. little man symdrome
TommyCage0736 11 months ago
I was at this game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jblgti146 1 year ago
not putting Probert or Larry Playfair on there is criminal. Both guys flat out mashed just about anyone they faced
driverdad71 2 years ago
Kocur never KO'd Ray but he more than schooled him in 2 of the 3 fights they had. That being said Ray was still a very dangerous fighter for any opponent but he certainly was not a top 5 in any year he fought and that's not a shot at the guy. Ray played in the late 80's and through the 90's where heavyweights reigned supreme and he did well. He had some huge wins, a laundry list ok clear TKO's but he also ate his fair share of punches.
jerkywolf33 2 years ago 2
reked71 2 years ago
He could never be ranked higher than Probert, McSorley, McKenzie, Twist or Grimson and they played over the same span. Players did not fear Ray like they feared the others I mentioned. McSorley did not have the KO's as Ray did but fighters knew when they took on 33 they were in for a War. Nobody knew what Marty was going to do that's why he was feared. Nobody feared Domi either but he had many more wins then Ray did and against the cream of the crop.
jerkywolf33 2 years ago
Vial got freakin' owned in this fight.
farrienzo 2 years ago
take a seat
csoccer95 2 years ago 2
"BUT RAY HAD A MUCH LONGER CAREER OF BEING A TOUGH GUY" ya and do u know why?? cause kocur's right hand was always messed up and he had to get surgery to repair it. his knuckles were so deformed that doctors told him if he kept fighting the way he did his hand and knuckles would NEVER heal. that's why in the later part of joey's career he threw more with the left than the right. for example, in the 80's he always had over 200 pim's, then in the 90's his most pim' was 131 a season. far less
supercoop0125 2 years ago
dam roys a beasts!!!!
billsfan95 3 years ago
I miss the Golden Age of the Sabres' version of the Hanson Brothers.
PTWTMinistries 3 years ago 2
YOU STILL GOT PETERS.Lord help the sabres.PSALM 37:24
HISServant68 3 years ago
yeah Kocur had a better knock out punch and was more feared than Ray but he was also boring to watch...most Kocur fights = clutching + grabbing, then an uppercut or two by Kocur knocking his opponent down. I like Kocur but he was a sleepy guy to watch, Probert was by far more exciting and a better fighter at that
Ray may not have had the KO punch like Kocur but he molested a lot of guys (Bonvie, Kyte, Vial, Odgers, etc) and even when they made Ray tie down his jersey he still kicked ass!
satanichandpuppet 3 years ago
Why argue ?? Great fight !! K.O.
imtheman9900 3 years ago
best fight ever
donnz123456789 3 years ago
ray was the same ht and wgt as joe kocur. kocur beat him every fight. ray did have a power punch but nowhere close to kocur's
mikarik 3 years ago
Kocur was overrated, he may have had a harder punch, but ray was the only nutcase to fight him 3 times. Kocur never had the knockouts that ray had.
Haney520 3 years ago 2
ur a dumbass,, kocur was over-rated????????
shows how stupid you are, and you said it, "he was the only nutcase to fight him 3 times",,, exactly,,, he did NOT HAVE MORE KNOCKOUTS THAN KOCUR, HE WAS TOUGH, BUT NOT ON KOCURS LEVEL, STOP BEIN A HOMER AND START BEING A REALIST, OK,,, I KNOW ITS FUN TO CHEER UR HOMETOWN BOYS, BUT AT LEAST GIVE CREDIT TO THOSE THAT EARN IT,, IT IS YOUR OPINION THAT RAY WAS TOUGHER THAN KOCUR, IT IS A FACT THAT KOCUR WAS ARGUABLY THE BEST PUNCHER EVER IN HOCKEY,, "KO"
deebodeez2 3 years ago
NO SHIT, RAY STILL TOUGHER THAN ANY GUY IN THE LEAGUE. I KNOW KOCUR WAS A BETTER KNOCKOUT,BUT RAY HAD A MUCH LONGER CAREER OF BEING A TOUGH GUY. IF KOCUR HAD THE HARDEST KNOCKOUT AND THE MOST FEARED, AND RAY FOUGHT HIM 3X. THAT MAKES RAY A TOUGH SON OF A BITCH, AND KOCUR NEVER KO'ed RAY.
Haney520 3 years ago
This was toward the end of Vial's career, no?
Hiei2k7 3 years ago
best fight at the nhl ever
raGe27576 3 years ago
Really surprised that Rob Ray won a fight without his jersey popping off.
shamshim 3 years ago
we need fights like these again in the nhl
fiddyplyr9223 3 years ago
OTTAWA SUCKS!!!!!!
sabresscarygood 3 years ago
I can't believe Rays not considered to be one of the true greats when it came to fighting. Of course he lost some, I mean your going to when you fought as much as he did.And like other's said, he wasn't that big of a guy and fought almost anyone who would throw down. But honestly, has there been another hockey player who KO'd as many guys as Ray did? He had the gift for hitting guys just right and knock them on there fanny.
robman3325 4 years ago
because he was a middle weight fighter, he never won against legit tough guys in the nhl,
deebodeez2 3 years ago
Are you serious, he used to kill legit tough guys, Dave brown, Brashear, domi to name a few
Haney520 3 years ago
I LOVE RAY
harynots 4 years ago
hah ring on tyson
elkeevono 4 years ago
Waxed!!
prestonite 4 years ago
Ray won and lost..... BUT he was only considered a HEAVYWEIGHT because he backed down from NO ONE!!!!! He has to be one of the smallest heavyweights around and I do watch a bit of boxing!!!
DaveEngine33 4 years ago 5
yea hes only 6 foot
elkeevono 4 years ago
and the whole glove throwing thing...that was for the fans..his job was to fight for the team...he didnt throw the gloves hoping for them to affect..he did it for the fans, ray was a class act, heart and soul for the sabres, and god damn it he would fight anyone at anytime, not when the time is right..but anytime! dont bring up brashear ever again because if you want to talk about an overrated fighter..its brashear, watch him get rocked by ray
Haney520 4 years ago
did it for the fans???? lmfao! Show me another fighter anywhere on youtube where a guy waits and throws his gloves at his opponents face. You call that a class act? You are a fucking tool. Face it. You wanna suck Rob Ray's cock....admit it! lmao You are so pathetic Haney. You keep saying that so and so did roids, with no proof. Just shut your cock washer and get back in the closet, gimp!
boston4877 4 years ago
You keep bringing up cock, whats your deal "Gimp" haha aka tony twist's small balls from roids....TWIST DID ROIDS! Even his fans know that moron... Ray was an enforcer for his team, Ray has done alot of shit for buffalo (heart and souler) alot of community services for the public, if you ever met the guy in person you would have a better understanding of ray...Show me Twist commitments besides steroids...
Haney520 4 years ago
Are you retarded? You don't know about Twist's community service? He spent a week in intensive care back in 1999 when he was struck shortly after completing a 1,500 mile charity bike run you moron! it was called the Iron Horse 99' tour. Look it up, fucknut!
boston4877 4 years ago
I bet those steroids helped him out!
Haney520 4 years ago
and as far as kocur goes...i respect kocur and domi. Ray won and lost against domi, kocur never stayed on his feet long enough for ray to drop him...and as far as brashear goes, ray whooped his ass BEFORE HE WAS ON ROIDS....and laraque is 4 inches and about 45 pounds heavier then ray...ray was out of his prime, laraque was goin into his...so stop your bullshit
Haney520 4 years ago
No he didn't whip Brashears ass ever. He was getting killed when he got his shirt off finally and landed 1 good punch after he ate about 20! Ken Belanger kicked Ray's ass, and show me where Donald Brashear tested positive for steroids. Never happened, but thanks for playing dipshit!
boston4877 4 years ago
Damn, I remember these two fighting every game it seemed.
chrisneillovescock 4 years ago
the boogy man. the boogy man.
elkeevono 4 years ago
The Boogeyman, Bobby Boughner.
jasonkusmierski 4 years ago
What a fight i seen that shit live on t.v
sooner70 4 years ago
Rob ray? I think I remember Adam Graves beating him purple. He might as well celebrate cause he got beat more often than not.
irlnd32 4 years ago
Rob ray got beat more often then not? Check out the compilation...he doesnt knock 1 person out he knocks half of the people he faught out
Haney520 4 years ago
lmao half of the people he fought? Get off the fucking crack pipe dipshit! Ray was an overrated bitch. The toughest guys in the league were in the old Norris division where Probert, Baumgartner, Kocur, Twist and Domi resided. Ray LOST to every legitimate heavyweight. Look at what happens when he fights Kocur, Brashear and Laraque. Season's beatings dipshit!
boston4877 4 years ago
Ok moron, ray never got the shit kicked out of him...NEVER you never see him knocked out even when twist broke his orbital bone... however you see him KNOCKING THE FUCK out of other players,
Haney520 4 years ago
and as far as kocur goes...i respect kocur and domi. Ray won and lost against domi, kocur never stayed on his feet long enough for ray to drop him...and as far as brashear goes, ray whooped his ass BEFORE HE WAS ON ROIDS....and laraque is 4 inches and about 45 pounds heavier then ray...ray was out of his prime, laraque was goin into his...so stop your bullshit
Haney520 4 years ago
Twist beat that pussy's ass, and Kocur beat him everytime. Domi kicked his ass too.
boston4877 4 years ago
Dude you think because kocur lands on top he "beat" rays ass...Beating someones ass is what happened in this video...Domi Beat ray..but ray also beat domi's ass...o and about 4 years ago brashear tested positive for roids....but apparently you look up to those faggits who cant fight and has to use roids
Haney520 4 years ago
lmao he NEVER tested positive for Steroids. Look it up dipshit! If he did you'd be able to google the story! It doesn't exist because some loser like you made it up because Brashear beat up some pussy like Rob Ray!
boston4877 4 years ago
Brashear Gained 30 pounds during one summer..they said he had some back acne problems(from steroids)..even the best natural body builders said its nearly impossible to gain that much muscle in a span of 5 months....And how the fuck is ray a pussy? HOW? YOU MAKE NO SENSE HE FOUGHT EVERYONE! ANYONE NO MATTER HOW BIG! look at him against stu grimson(6inchs taller,30lbs heavier) then him..ray splits his face open!
Haney520 4 years ago
He fought kocur 3 times! who else does that? Ray knew kocur has the hardest punch but guess what...Ray still fought him not once, twice, but 3 times! even brashear didnt know what to do with kocur besides hug him..just like any other fight he's in
Haney520 4 years ago
You claimed Brashear tested positive...which is lie number 1. You said Ray punched harder than Kocur....which you are now admitting is lie number 2. Just admit Ray was overrated and get it over with because you've been proven wrong. Kocur was tougher, end of discussion.
boston4877 4 years ago
Watch his fight from 98-99 with Oliwa. Ray got his ass kicked in NJ and was playing the back end of a home in home series. He held onto his gloves and tried to throw them in oliwas face and land a sucker shot, but failed. He was a dirty fighter that looked for any advantage he could get. He also suckered Ken Belanger in the back of the head, giving him a concussion. Belanger beat that bitche's ass for that 1.
boston4877 4 years ago
Dude, face it, you keep on bringing up new fighters to talk about because the more you watch ray the more you realize he;s a good fighter so you look for more excuses. Against Oliwa once again he didnt get his "ass Beat" you are used to watching brashear fight...aka "hug" oppenent and fall to the ground...Oliwa has roughly 6 inchs and 30 pounds on ray...but ray hung with him
Haney520 4 years ago
When is the "alleged season he put on 30 pounds over the summer? I'd like to know, because when he came up with montreal, he was already into bodybuilding! He was 6'2 225 his rookie season! He is now listed at 230lbs! Where the fuck did you learn math? He NEVER gained 30 pounds in his entire career! Nice try though jackass!
boston4877 4 years ago
"Rob ray got beat more often then not? Check out the compilation...he doesnt knock 1 person out he knocks half of the people he faught out "
You think they're going to put Rob Ray getting beat in a Rob Ray compilation? That's like saying Patrick Roy had a 1.000 Save % throughout his career after watching a Pat Roy save compilation.
gun4hire 4 years ago
No shit...but my statement is still true asswhipe
Haney520 4 years ago
Rob ray had an awesome winning percentage in fights. He was a god.
Limper31 4 years ago
irlnd32 you obviously arent familiar with rob ray...he was one of the biggest bad asses to ever drop the gloves...he won most of the fights he ever got into.
tokabul 4 years ago
I Love how everyone knew a fight would happen haha
MyVideosAreTheBestt 5 years ago
Vial is nails man, kinda feel bad for him he was worn out from being the only Heavy Ottawa had there for a while... Troy Mallette or Troy Murray (one of the two)were there for a stint but Vial had to drop em night in & night out.. dont blame him for losing this one at all. Rayzor is nails 2.
canada1993 5 years ago
Bill Huard was nails as well and Ottawa shiped him away to Dallas I think... Huard was a good toughy like Vial or anyone else.
canada1993 5 years ago
sweet
UltraDeMontreal 5 years ago
HAHAHA BRING ON TYSON!!!! AMAZING
wwtc 5 years ago
haha amen to that rick jeanerett kicks ass! lol so does ray lol
vinsanity78 5 years ago
Who does Ray think he is Muhammad Ali.
Islesowndisleague 5 years ago
Nah... he thinks he's Joe Frazier.
trumpetman0608 4 years ago
Nah...hes better then muhammad ali
Haney520 4 years ago
Nice vid, how can I add this to my page?
tlfd1185 5 years ago
I'm not sure...
NymanMarcelo 5 years ago