After V1 hand left pilot takes his hand off the power lever. Comon procedure on the Saab 340. The CTOT system automatically keeps constant torq value as set when System is engaged at takeoff roll. CTOT system is switched off when setting climb power above 1000 feet AGL
I am fully aware of CTOT and Saab 340 takeoff procedures. My point is that machines and computers can and do breakdown. At critical moments of flight it as ALWAYS best to have at least one hand on the throttles, regardless of what is written in some flight manual somewhere...
@TheCurtisLeMay Yes but, some companies apply different policies about rejected take offs. Some of them consider the captain as the only one responsible for reducing PL's during the take off run and it is the captain who hold his hand on power levers until V1 is achieved. In this case it is not possible to know if the captain had his hand on the PL's
@TheCurtisLeMay Airbusts? hehe... Estonian Air fly 2 737-300,2 737-500,2 Bombardier CRJ900,and two Saab 340A... the Saab 340A is a Swedish aircraft :D
@TheCurtisLeMay Haha, another side of the sea our national airline Finnair flies almost all Airbus fleet, they have few embraer and few 757´s though. And like said Saab 340 is made by swedish Saab not by Airbus. I love Airbus aircrafts anyways.
I do not like to take my hand of the throttle during takeoff, personally. In fact, when the FAA does checkrides on commuters I know for a fact that the P/F always has a hand on the throttles - during the entire flight - during the checkride...
If one loses an engine during the takeoff roll and takeoff, don't folks want to have a hand already on the throttles??
@TheCurtisLeMay I have only completed private pilot courses, but I always have a hand on the throttle because the C172 throttles tends to slide out about a quarter inch on takeoff. I am surprised he took off with two hands on the yoke, we are taught to fly with one hand on the yoke and one on the throttle, like the P/F at 3:15
You are right. It's definitely safer to keep one hand on the throttles at takeoff. Keep doing it, no matter what some other pilot tells you. I promise you'll never fail a check ride either that way ;)
@dondycluck I was thinking that exact thing. Planes don't have a revers =S. Was that just for the video? or is it a practical thing for every prop liner flight
@dondycluck I think it's ok with a turboprop plane. I would never do it on a jet, but simply reversing the blade angle doesn't seem to harm the engines.
@F14EddieWong Ok, it's just that now we are instructed NEVER to do that. It might come from the fact that the engines now are high by-pass with a smaller ground clearance. But I know that using reversers for push back aswell as doing a static take off improves the risk of FOI.
Great video. I'm sure these guys are going to be great on top of the market for developing cockpit DVDs. However, I'd like to make a comment on the first take off you see in this video. As far as I know, the PNF should say, 'positive rate...gear up' only when he sees a positive climb in both VSI and altimeter. But if you look closer to the first officer's VSI and altimeter, it shows a reading a lot later. I know these guys are experienced but I believe it's good airmanship to apply the basics.
@neevin2009 Nowadays it's PM not PNF, but he was bit too fast - although you have to consider that right side instruments are pneumatical and those are some seconds behind the airplane and left side instruments (which are not pneumatical).
@pilotmel99 Both captain and first officer have what you call barometric or pressure instruments and these are the anemometers, altimeters, artificial horizons, vertical speed indicator. The data is collected by the pitot and static tubes. So both the captain's and the first officer's have a delay in their readings.
@neevin2009 In Instrument meteorological conditions you would have been right. But the pilot monitoring confirmed the positive rate of climb visually.
I'm flying with Estonian from 16 to 19 march! :D
PhilipDK5800 3 weeks ago
one day i want to fly with Estonian air flight! looks very nice to me, and safe!
cuckos95 1 month ago
Magnifique points de vues. Sa donne vraiment envie de voler.
airBBtest 2 months ago
After V1 hand left pilot takes his hand off the power lever. Comon procedure on the Saab 340. The CTOT system automatically keeps constant torq value as set when System is engaged at takeoff roll. CTOT system is switched off when setting climb power above 1000 feet AGL
flygsaab 3 months ago
@flygsaab
Hi!
I am fully aware of CTOT and Saab 340 takeoff procedures. My point is that machines and computers can and do breakdown. At critical moments of flight it as ALWAYS best to have at least one hand on the throttles, regardless of what is written in some flight manual somewhere...
TheCurtisLeMay 2 months ago
@TheCurtisLeMay Yes but, some companies apply different policies about rejected take offs. Some of them consider the captain as the only one responsible for reducing PL's during the take off run and it is the captain who hold his hand on power levers until V1 is achieved. In this case it is not possible to know if the captain had his hand on the PL's
rumor2509 1 month ago
Super video, but why does Eesti fly damn airbusts??
TheCurtisLeMay 4 months ago
@TheCurtisLeMay Airbusts? hehe... Estonian Air fly 2 737-300,2 737-500,2 Bombardier CRJ900,and two Saab 340A... the Saab 340A is a Swedish aircraft :D
ollo1982 4 months ago
@TheCurtisLeMay Haha, another side of the sea our national airline Finnair flies almost all Airbus fleet, they have few embraer and few 757´s though. And like said Saab 340 is made by swedish Saab not by Airbus. I love Airbus aircrafts anyways.
Pvjinflight 3 months ago
OMG the Reverser...
TripleDK90 4 months ago
The F/O was P/F in the first takeoff.
I do not like to take my hand of the throttle during takeoff, personally. In fact, when the FAA does checkrides on commuters I know for a fact that the P/F always has a hand on the throttles - during the entire flight - during the checkride...
If one loses an engine during the takeoff roll and takeoff, don't folks want to have a hand already on the throttles??
Just asking...
TheCurtisLeMay 5 months ago
@TheCurtisLeMay I have only completed private pilot courses, but I always have a hand on the throttle because the C172 throttles tends to slide out about a quarter inch on takeoff. I am surprised he took off with two hands on the yoke, we are taught to fly with one hand on the yoke and one on the throttle, like the P/F at 3:15
chairliftsrcool 5 months ago in playlist More videos from VikingAviationPhoto
@chairliftsrcool
You are right. It's definitely safer to keep one hand on the throttles at takeoff. Keep doing it, no matter what some other pilot tells you. I promise you'll never fail a check ride either that way ;)
(I flew Saab 340's for quite a while...)
TheCurtisLeMay 4 months ago
4:04 Ouch...
pilotnicco 5 months ago
<3
i love it
nelson12367 7 months ago
<3
nelson12367 7 months ago
At 5:24...what the Hell...Is he Using The Reversers To give his airplane a pushback
dondycluck 8 months ago 9
@dondycluck I was thinking that exact thing. Planes don't have a revers =S. Was that just for the video? or is it a practical thing for every prop liner flight
SalvageMuzikk 8 months ago
@SalvageMuzikk & @dondycluck Yes, the use of powerbacks are cool. This is a regular thing and not specially for the camera.
VikingAviationPhoto 7 months ago
@dondycluck yeah! :D
MultiPushback 7 months ago
@dondycluck Nothing unusual about that, its standard thing to do with some aircrafts.
Pvjinflight 7 months ago
@dondycluck some aircraft can do that... Macdonald Douglas DC-9 does it tt :D
ollo1982 4 months ago
@ollo1982 Oh ok thanks bud
dondycluck 4 months ago
@dondycluck Np mate! :D btw,the 727,C17 etc does this to... It is called Powerback :D Forgot that in last message...
ollo1982 4 months ago
@dondycluck Turboprops use their engines for so called powerback
CMRLV 4 months ago
@CMRLV Oh Oh thanks for the help bud,I appreciate it
dondycluck 4 months ago
@dondycluck
It is common procedure.
Bartholomeus2 4 months ago
@dondycluck 4:53 "Power Pushback approved"
camarogod93 3 months ago
looks so pretty cool stuff!!
chaddiekemp 2 months ago
@dondycluck I think it's ok with a turboprop plane. I would never do it on a jet, but simply reversing the blade angle doesn't seem to harm the engines.
Aruchan16 1 month ago
@Aruchan16 Northwest did so with their DC-9s.
F14EddieWong 1 month ago
@F14EddieWong Ok, it's just that now we are instructed NEVER to do that. It might come from the fact that the engines now are high by-pass with a smaller ground clearance. But I know that using reversers for push back aswell as doing a static take off improves the risk of FOI.
Aruchan16 1 month ago
@dondycluck no problem for a turboprop. saves money not using a pushbag-tug. Pretty usual in the US with Jetplanes
bumzuaheisl01 3 weeks ago
@dondycluck
Yeah. That's normal. Small planes do it usin' the reversers, but bigger planes like boeing 747s doesn't use reversers.
RnnBeatz 1 week ago
It's cool and my favorite!
I was this flying!
:-)
Suursaadik 9 months ago
Great video. I'm sure these guys are going to be great on top of the market for developing cockpit DVDs. However, I'd like to make a comment on the first take off you see in this video. As far as I know, the PNF should say, 'positive rate...gear up' only when he sees a positive climb in both VSI and altimeter. But if you look closer to the first officer's VSI and altimeter, it shows a reading a lot later. I know these guys are experienced but I believe it's good airmanship to apply the basics.
neevin2009 9 months ago in playlist Авиация
@neevin2009 Nowadays it's PM not PNF, but he was bit too fast - although you have to consider that right side instruments are pneumatical and those are some seconds behind the airplane and left side instruments (which are not pneumatical).
pilotmel99 9 months ago
@pilotmel99 Great information, thanks for that...I should have done some research before I commented that way. Anyway thanks.
neevin2009 9 months ago
@pilotmel99 Both captain and first officer have what you call barometric or pressure instruments and these are the anemometers, altimeters, artificial horizons, vertical speed indicator. The data is collected by the pitot and static tubes. So both the captain's and the first officer's have a delay in their readings.
raphy1123 8 months ago
@neevin2009 In Instrument meteorological conditions you would have been right. But the pilot monitoring confirmed the positive rate of climb visually.
raphy1123 8 months ago
Awesome ! I love it !!
Slaterator 10 months ago
Looks great. Just ordered. Great to see some regional airplanes!
EightCharlieFox 10 months ago 4