also 'Jesus said, if you can accept it Elijah has come and they have done as they pleased with him (John the baptist) what did you expect to see a reed swayed by the wind or a man dressed in fine clothes).......................
We have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.
This is from Fresh Fire Ministries. Very sad, Todd's international exposure means many people will be affected, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. By the grace of God we'll move forward and continue to see people saved, healed and restored.
There we go.. "Todd B said..." -- Always quoting Todd B first and then a little Jesus for cover.. I think I'll go have some of that illicit apple pie I bought at the store this afternoon..
What I'm saying, as a Baptist/NON-CESSATIONIST, spirit-filled believer, is.. that I recommend avoiding anything to do with IHOP, FRESHFIRE, GODTV, BOBJONES ET AL.. These people advocate things that are way beyond anything in the bible.. Do not let this into your church.. RE: the healings in your church.. Wonderful.. One of the nicest things that can happen is people relaxing in faith and God healing pain..
they all say look at the fruit.and we show the fruit..and then they deny seeing it..same old story..the world (even some beleivers) are blind..preach on bro ~shalom
Amen! its the signs & wonders that tell people that Jesus is Lord, and that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. I am healed of Varicose Veins. Awesome God I serve praise be unto you.
yes we were there from the 3rd-5th july, man! it was just awesome, the worship & praise was just incredible, its real I mean real.. the people are so hungry for the move of God in their lives, lives are transformed daily, healed, delivered.. this is the Gospel in action. My husband & I are no more the same , we went there to soak, to get the annointing and transform our city, church & lives.... God is using me in different ways and moving thru both of us its unbelievable.
We have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness....Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
REPENT TO THE TRUE CHRIST and accept His ONLY revelation the HOLY BIBLE OR YOU WILL FACE THE BLACKNESS OF DARKNESS FOREVER.
Anyone who could get crowds of 5000 men and the crowds to line the streets of Jerusalem 1st Century AD was certainly some kind of 'star' in that time. Even royalty wanted to see him. All the main leaders in his culture knew of him. And the main religious people thought he was a false prophet and were afraid that he challenged the status quo.
It is bringing glory to God except where Christians refuse to accept the miracles as from the Holy Spirit and attribute them to satan. satan is doing an amazing job getting people to focus on Jesus - which is what is happening in our Church and on those I know who have been to Lakeland.
This is not of God. God never contradict himself. Todd B said God told him to set aside Jesus for awhile and preach about these 4 angels one being Emma. Satan can preform miracles as well. Truth move of God brings glory to God and not to self. This is demonic and people need to run from it and rebuke it.
Absolutely. There are teenagers in the worship team (from 13 to 19) - although not all of them every week as there are rotas. The youngest regular attender is 11. Come and get the fire - and healing if you need it - and take the anointing/fresh oil back to where you come from. Be great to see you. There's a good google maps link to Lamplugh House (Thursdays) and Scarborough Library (Sundays).
With all these cameras rolling, let's see Todd Bentley go to where someone has just died, and let us see him command in the name of Jesus the dead person to get up.
Let's see him in the name of Jesus command the blind to see and those with missing limbs for the limbs to grow back.
Even in the gospels the enemies of Jesus and the disciples couldn't deny that miracles were happening because they were present when many of them happened.
Can you honestly tell me that Todd's actions in this video are in alignment to how the Bible says a man of God should be?
If you believe that Todd's actions are in alignment to what the Bible says, then can you show me 1 case in the Bible where God uses a person to heal others by using violence?
Are the actions of any man all in alignment with God's word? Smith Wigglesworth was another man who could appear to be 'violent'. God delights in using people that man would reject as too weird or not religious enough. Can you show me in the Bible where we should run Sunday mornings in the way we do? Not every element of practical ministry/church life is listed in the Bible. Haven't watched the video yet though...
Yes. Jesus is God and he certainly uses violence in the Bible. Jesus healed many people and we have no idea of the actual way he did it, so he may have been 'strong' in some as well as spitting at them. Some of the demons may have made the situation look violent. (Luke 4:40-41) He was violent in the healing of the temple. Personally I'm not really into this Todd this and Todd that, I just wanted to see Jesus glorified and I love seeing people's lives turned round by the grace of God.
I think you are sincere when you say that you want to see Jesus glorified and people's lives turned around.
The mistake I see you making however is that you rely more on your own insight, instead of what the Bible says about how Jesus is glorified. Your own insight tells you that what Todd is doing looks right.
Jesus will never go against his word. Todd Bentley does go against God's word.
Jesus nor anyone else in the Bible, ever used violence to heal anyone. Don't push this truth aside.
Looks like the answer is `NO` (as there is no bible verse quoted). Steps to avoid a biblical answer (1)Muddy the waters of the question (2) increase the scope to say not all is in the bible (3) include BUCKET LOADS of subjective human experience (4) misquote bible verse (5 and my favourite) Say "we are not allowed to judge". TUD-AH!
Seems entirely valid to me to say that not every example of Christian practice is in the bible. The bible sets a principle not the exact practice. So therefore we should look at the fruit of the actions, since the fruit is evidence of whether the person is attached to the true vine or not. John 15:1-2
1/11. Always bearing in mind that I don't question miracles, you, God, your testimony or integrity etc., this is not personal and motives or beliefs are irrelevant to my question.
Having said that, you do ask some questions about proof and do not seem to understand what proof is. Proof (and the presentation of it) is the same in this case as it is in any natural or scientific event because healings, however resolved, have an entirely natural and testable outcome.
3/11. The point here anyway, is that with all the effort they put in to trying to convince people, it seems bizarre that the only (or most powerful) evidence is the medical report which, even without mentioning anything supernatural, totally implies it. If we build evidence on testimony, there's millions. If on proof, any independent observer would wonder if miracles happen at all today.
2/11. Pentecostals go out of their way to try to voluntarily present proof, rather than ask people to just trust them or accept it by faith. They try to use the person's testimony, ask if the pain has stopped, ask them to do something they could not do before, ask for witnesses, say what they recall a doctor saying, hold up reports, x-rays etc. There's a huge form of peer pressure when testifying too after a previous dramatic claim, to not lower the tone or make God look weak.
11/11. I found it very embarrassing to continue conversations because I could see how this story got out of hand and am baffled as to how, time and time again, Christians don't understand (or choose not to understand) what proof is when it concerns healings. So, without questioning you, God, healings or anything, I'm just politely asking if you will present proof of a supernatural healing that cannot occur naturally.
10/11. I have 2 doctors reports from a prominent healing evangelist in the US who kindly sent them to me recently. Both started out as claims of miraculous healings. Just because I received SOMETHING medical doesn't mean that I have received proof or that I am now the guilty party for questioning it. In fact the reports suggested entirely natural (and actually particularly slow and incomplete) recovery with continued concerns.
9/11. What I have clearly asked if you will provide, is proof of a supernatural healing that has no possible natural explanation. Many doctors (and everyday people) can't explain lots of things, but they do not usually suggest a supernatural explanation. I don't want to debate any issue in this and am happy to accept that there may be good responses to it, so please stick to my question, this was just to answer your question about acceptable proof.
8/11. From my experience as a Pentecostal for over 20 years and having attended hundreds of healing events around the worlds, I can testify that exaggeration and a serious lack of investigation and recall to healings that have been heard of, with the view to glorify God has an ironic justification.
7/11. Doctors often talk about 'miraculous' healings, especially to kids to make them feel good. They don't mean it literally as the media don't mean it literally when they talk about miracle escapes, but it has to be said that the religious do tend to lap up any mention of the word if the person concerned happens to be a Christian as it encourages the congregation and lifts God up in their eyes whether God has intervened or not.
6/11. When it is presented, it also very much depends upon what is being presented. If I obtained the x-ray of my broken arm before and after, showing a clear healing, this is evidence of a healing. But if the period between them is more than a few days/weeks, it is likely to be a natural recovery healing. It does not discount a supernatural healing just as a very fast recovery coinciding with prayer does not mean it is supernatural either.
4/11. I find it amazing that this is not realized or investigated, as Christians are as bright and academic as anyone else and understand critical thinking in other areas. Would God want us to stop or suspend reason when it comes to certain topics? If so, why? Remember we're talking about an entirely natural, testable outcome -- a healing. Oh. Yes, watching a lot of Todd Bentley on youtube btw.
3/11. The point here anyway, is that with all the effort they put in to trying to convince people, it seems bizarre that the only (or most powerful) evidence is the medical report which, even without mentioning anything supernatural, totally implies it. If we build evidence on testimony, there's millions. If on proof, any independent observer would wonder if miracles happen at all today.
2/11. Pentecostals go out of their way to try to voluntarily present proof, rather than ask people to just trust them or accept it by faith. They try to use the person's testimony, ask if the pain has stopped, ask them to do something they could not do before, ask for witnesses, say what they recall a doctor saying, hold up reports, x-rays etc. There's a huge form of peer pressure when testifying too after a previous dramatic claim, to not lower the tone or make God look weak.
An X-ray is an X-ray. The evidence would be what the X-Rays showed, when and of whom. You cannot send something that shows nothing supernatural. An X-Ray of a snapped femur on 3rd May and the same person/angle/bone on 4th May without a scar and no chance of manipulation is evidence of a supernatural healing as this cannot happen naturally. This is not strict enough for science and for good reason if we value strict tests before confirmation of major events) but is good enough for me right now.
I suppose the problem can be that with many healings someone can turnround and say, 'well it just happened to improve at that point'. For example: pain disappearing. A lot of supernatural healing that I've seen and experienced appears to be like rapid natural healing. I think there was some xray evidence offered from Lakeland - but even so it's not easy for it to be clear on the resolution of YouTube. Did you watch the CBN vid under my favourites? Still just testimony I suppose.
E.g. Confirmed medical report with before/after details that is not possible naturally and is not open to fraud.
Any words you offer are testimony. Whilst this is evidence, all well and good and not disputed by me, I'm ONLY asking if you have proof of any healing which you can present. If you don't, that's fine and proves nothing about healings -- true or fake. I'm just asking if you have proof to offer for ANY healing. I am not the best communicator, but I can't be any clearer, sorry
I have numerous X-rays, photos, videos, letters, doctor's reports and written testimonies from various sources. Despite this, I have no proof of any healings. Nothing even close. Sadly, the people who sent them have often stopped communicating or got angry, personal or similar because I did not see any evidence or proof. This is not because I was biased, it was because the evidence presented was pretty much worthless and no evidence of a healing whatsoever.
But if you have X-rays etc and Doctor's reports how is that not proof? For the guy's arm that was healed I could try and get the Doctor's report for the condition before and the condition after of his healing. Is that acceptable evidence?
E.g. Confirmed medical report with before/after details that is not possible naturally and is not open to fraud.
Any words you offer are testimony. Whilst this is evidence, all well and good and not disputed by me, I'm ONLY asking if you have proof of any healing which you can present. If you don't, that's fine and proves nothing about healings -- true or fake. I'm just asking if you have proof to offer for ANY healing. I am not the best communicator, but I can't be any clearer, sorry.
There are testimonies from very respected people on UFOs, ghosts, talking to the dead, the god of all religions, spiritualist healings etc. some with photos/video to support their claims. This is a form of evidence, which is fine, as is an emotional plea and people can make of them what they will.
I am not asking or currently interested in any of this or what anyone believes.
Police hear conflicting testimony from several eye witnesses who have no axe to grind. Not interested. Have you proof?
Some comments of mine not posting now for some reason. I have e-Mailed you but await reply. My qustion remains simple and the same - Can you provide proof of a supernatural healing. You say yes and asked what kind. I've done this and await proof. If you can't, just correct yourself and I'll move on. I'm not asking for proof that is only in the spiritual realm, like a conversion experience, I'm asking for something tangiable which natural means can fully reveal.
Well, a message to you and anyone else in the world, US/UK or wherever. My question does not relate to or challenge tesimony, healings or the existence of God or miracles now or ever. PLEASE bear this in mind and save yourselves a lot of time. My question is simply this (as before). Do you have any proof of a supernatural healing that you will provide? You may have seen hundreds of dramatic things and I don't challenge this. OK? Just, have you any proof of one.
As before please make it clear what proof you require. Is for example the kind of evidence presented in the Lakeland Video listed in my favourites section on my page any good?
I'm really worried at your responses. Who said i don't believe you? I have absolutely no qualms or questions about whether miracles happen now, then or at any time to you, me or anyone. This is not a question of believing anyone or not and I've clearly (I thought in detail) explained what this is and isn't about. I just have a non confrontational, non argumentative question, do you have proof that you will provide? This has no bearing on what has or has not happened. Your responses are typical.
Some comments of mine not posting now for some reason. I have e-Mailed you but await reply. My qustion remains simple and the same - Can you provide proof of a supernatural healing. You say yes and asked what kind. I've done this and await proof. If you can't, just correct yourself and I'll move on. I'm not asking for proof that is only in the spiritual realm, like a conversion experience, I'm asking for something tangiable which natural means can fully reveal.
I don't appear to have received your email. I cannot put my wife's scans up here since they are still at The Royal Marsden Hospital. Maybe they'll give us copies next time we go. It's a shame you cannot believe me in my accounts of my wife's healing and what I saw happen last Sunday to the man's arm. It wasn't filmed so I can't put that up.
I have E-Mailed you a comprehensive text. I am fully aware of what you believe and can relate to it only too well, but why do you keep referring to what ios irrelevant to the question? You again testify about what you say someone said. I just want to know if you can provide proof. You say sopmeone said something or maybe they wrote somethiong. Great. Can you provide the details. Why are you avoiding this simple question, it's not religious.
I haven't received your text yet. I'm not trying to bring up anything irrelevant - everything I've mentioned is relevant to me. The comment from the Doctor was in agreement with what you had said about hospitals not being against supernatural healing it wasn't offered as proof. Just in agreement. That my wife is alive and well is the only evidence I can offer, alongside the original diagnosis and the unsuccessful operations she endured, before she was healed.
It is not irrelevant to use the Bible. I believe many things from the Bible that I don't have evidence for and healing is one of them. Most evidence for healing will be in the form of a person telling you 'well I was like this and now I am like this.' Not all of them are lying.
btw, just seen a recent comment saying that if you can't use God's word we're on a non starter. This isn't religious. What you or I believe is irrelevent to my Q. I've said you can quote as much scripture as you like, but it has nothing to do with my question which is purely tangiable. Just asking if there is proof of something tangiable available (like the boiling point of water for example). Theology only enters after the result.
I disagree. That's the same argument many atheists use to demonstrate that there is no God. As a Christian my belief in God is firstly based on God's Word. My belief about who God is: loving, kind, full of grace, Saviour, Redeemer, Healer comes from God's Word. I'm not looking to first to proof outside the Bible before I'll believe anything about the character of God. If I don't believe God is a Saviour I won't look to him 4 Salvation, if I don't think he heals I won't look to him for healing
Many believers have the conception that hospitals and non believers have an avertion to healings or anything supernatural. That they will somehow conspire, reject or ignore them. This is wholly without foundation. A healing (by definition) has clear evidence. If there is so much ambiguity to it, it is usually a good sign that there is probably a very nartural explanation. Testimony isn't proof in this or pseudosciences. Proof or tests count. My Q is purely natural. Any proof?
Great, you have proof. So that we don't go down the road of trivialities, do you have acceptable proof of a supernatural healing. If you want examples of acceptability, let me know. Classic outcome here from my investigations is that ambiguity, requester owness, confidentiality, exageration, not compliance and feelings (of feeling healed) at the time are main players. Names/contact details of people will help, like your own examples? I'll post results here if you like, confidentially.
Yes what would you find acceptable? I agree with all your 'classic outcomes' btw! I'm not putting my wife's email here, but if you email me I will send it to you.
Sorry I'm not making myself clear. With regard to my question/challenge, it doesn't matter if I'm a Satanist or a Pentecostal. It doesn't matter what I or anyone believes. It doesn't matter what the Bible says and it does not matter who I am.
So many folk are testifying, adding people who can verify x and y. They are choosing to use verification, but won't provide the one think that would save all the time, proof...
I don't understand however if you are a Christian how you can say the Bible doesn't matter. What proof do you offer for the whole of the Christian faith then? Surely Faith based on something other than the word is faith built upon the sand?
And finally, (if it isn't clear already) accusations about lack of faith, scepticality, if we'd have been there, people just don't understand, faith can't be proven, God doesn't need to prove stuff etc. is totally unrelated. Feel free to draw what conclusion or motives you choose in others, but these vids are clearly trying to verify ("as so and so will testify etc.) healings. I'm just politely asking, "When all the talking's done, have you proof?"
It's OK that you believe in God and think He's awesome, that you believe in miracles and healings for today and that they are taking place in the Florida revival meetings with Todd Bentley. I am not arguing with or disputing this, so don't discuss, debate, argue, condemn anything like this. I'm just challenging you over whether a single proof for any unambiguous healing can be presented. That's all. Just proof or a polite 'No I can't' is fine. Not interested in excuses/reasons, just a yes/no.
On you own page you have story about the visit of an alien to make people think afresh about the story of Christ at Easter. But isn't all the Easter story based on what people said that has been written down? At some point you do have to listen to what people say and not dismiss healings as ambiguous. I thought my simple answer concerning 2 healings I had witnessed were about as simple as you could get in the space of a YouTube comment. If you're writing here, words are what you'll get in reply
You can evangelise all you choose, quote scripture until you are blue in the face, tell people they are spiritually blind, of the devil, missing the obvious and tell stories about how your family has been raised from the dead, amputated limbs grown back etc. I don't debate this with you, only that (for whatever reason) there is simply no proof, so only address this non religious issue please. With Rev Bentley's claims, it should be easy.
I can't verify the miracles in Lakeland I'm not there, but I find it hard to believe everyone interviewed who has been healed is lying. I guess you'll have to go and see for yourself and talk to people there. That's why the examples I used were ones I had personally witnessed but you're right if you can't believe what any Christian has to say about healing then you'll never find proof on YouTube! Believing that God heals today is no more ridiculous than believing in the Resurrection of Jesus.
If I'm not allowed to quote God's Word and at least use that as some basis of belief then we really are on a complete non-starter since my whole trust in Jesus Christ is based on the Word of God as revealed in the Bible!
I am not judging you, don't judge me. You may be surprised as to what I believe or have experienced. But this has NOTHING to do with my claim, don't change subjects. Have you proof or not? I challenge you. There is NOTHING you can SAY that will add anything to your case, only proof. Christians will have no problem presenting such if it is true. Purely practical please, not a religious challenge. Proof or stay silent on this challenge.
If there's nothing I can say then what's the point in making a text comment on YouTube? The format requires me to reply with more text in another comment. I didn't change the subject I gave you two personal examples of healing one witnessed by the Royal Marsden and another by a GP. In this context I can do nothing else for you.
Repentance is an essential part of salvation, but it does not have to be the only message. When Jesus called the first disciples he said, Come follow me.' Then he went around Galilee preaching the Good News and healing every sickness and disease. Matthew makes no specific reference to repentance at this point. Jesus healed many without asking for repentance first - he demonstrated the Kingdom.
I would be very happy to explain to you what is really happening and it isn't supernatural at all.
Rather than waste a lot of people's time, why don't you present proof of any single healing miracle that has happened anywhere in the world over the past 10 years. I hope that you would agree that if you or others can't, say in the next week, your claims are pretty weak. I'm not knocking you, but I am challenging you with a wake-up call to reality.
Perhaps your username 'Scepticchristian' says it all! I am a believing Christian and believe the Bible when it says that believers shall lay hands on the sick and they shall get well. My wife had a scan which clearly showed the cancer in her body. Then she was prayed for at our (Kingdom Faith) healing conference. The next scan soon after this, conducted to help decide treatment, showed the cancer had completely gone. The Royal Marsden said we don't know how but you are cured.
I prayed with a guy that had intense pain in his arm this Sunday at Church. His doctor told me after that he had damaged it several months ago when he had been left hanging by that one arm. He was unable to move the arm far above his waist. As I prayed his face was astonished, 'the pain's gone', he said, 'things like this don't happen to me.' As we prayed he regained full movement in his arm, he kept moving it up and down quickly because he was so astonished that he could do it.
"Watch out for false prophets.* They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.* Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
That's basically what it says on this website, this quote is from Matt 7. The fruit? People healed, faith in Jesus restored, an enthusiasiam for the Word, a desire to walk in righteousness and holiness, people getting saved, backsliders returning. Sounds good to me! That's the effect that this outpouring is having in our church.
The Fire is still burning in Scarborough UK and Thwing with Kingdom Faith Yorkshire. It's transferable, it was imparted directly to us by James Maloney at our Strong Tower Conference recently. Dr James is a Fresh Fire Ministries Conference speaker who works with Todd Bentley. Want to come and get some? Check out the more info on the right.
To those watching this heretic do not be deceived he is trying to lead you into false gospels, false miracles and the fires of hell. View my playlists to see how scam miracles and seduction is done upon people by men like this.
The Power of God is revealed through the Son Jesus Christ and His words the Holy Bible. Return to the sound doctrines of the Bible or be lost with unrepentant heretics like this man.
Jesus also revealed the Power of God by healing the sick. Jesus also told us that we would do greater works that these. I am sorry your belief in God is small and can not allow for miracles. The Bible teaches and show a powerful, miracle working God.
I am sorry that you feel that this man is being heretical. I am a person who is usually skeptical about so-called moves of God. And have been proved right by the Spirit. However, I feel a strong leading from the Holy Spirit that this 'outpouring' is legitimate. The Church has been suffering so much, especially w/ fear 'cause of wolves in sheep's clothing, persecution, and back-sliders. I believe God is wrapping His love around the sheep, & will show His fear to those who desire Him.
"Isn't it possible, with all the dubious 'anointings' and angels and manifestations associated with Bentley's ministry, that what we are really seeing is a giant 'counterfeit' revival? Isn't it possible that if it the revival continues to grow at the present rate, that it may literally become one of the great delusions of the Last Days a great deception that has the power to actually deceive, if possible, the very elect?" Taken from revivalschool dot comm
Isn't it possible that what we are seeing is God at work? Isn't possible that God might actually be healing people? Isn't it possible that God doesn't want people to die of cancer? Isn't it possible that the religious are once again missing Jesus at work just as the religious missed that Jesus was the Messiah in the first century because their view of who the Messiah would be was too small?
To what then can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children in the market place calling out to each other: 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sand a dirge for you and you did not cry.' For John the Baptist came neither eating and drinking wine and you say, 'He has a demon'. The Son of Man cam eating and drinking and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard...a friend of sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by all her children.Lk7.31
Hello, The lakeland revival is not of God, I dont know how much you have watched of it, but there is no scriptural basis for the things that Todd Bentley is doing. I also know some things about the people that he is associated with and do not consider them genuine but rather false. If its not in the scripture, we should beware.
This is not a true statement. I have watched a lot of the revival and what he says comes directly from Scripture. God is doing a mighty work through this ministry. We have to stop criticizing what we don't understand and seek God for his wisdom (Prov. 3:5-6). God is doing a mighty work just as in Jesus' day, through this revival. Todd Bentley is a willing vessel, he is not pointing to himself, but solely to JESUS CHRIST. He takes no credit, but gives all to JESUS. God is using him.
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jdquarg 2 years ago
also 'Jesus said, if you can accept it Elijah has come and they have done as they pleased with him (John the baptist) what did you expect to see a reed swayed by the wind or a man dressed in fine clothes).......................
omadon7 2 years ago
Thanks Pauldjay85. Please feel free to subscribe to Light2North :-)
Light2North 2 years ago
God bless you Paul Abel and Kingdom Faith, the whole Kingdom Faith ministry has been a massive blessing in my life. Thank you, every blessing
Pauldjay85 2 years ago
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Pauldjay85 2 years ago
ever seen god heal an amputated leg huh? GOD IS IMAGINARY!!
ivantovich 3 years ago
I've seen a leg healed that was booked into be amputated and a friend of mine has seen an arm regrow from the shoulder
Light2North 3 years ago
Show me a video of an arm regrowing....come on.....faith is one thing, stupidly believing a human can heal an amputation is ignorance !
champdds 2 years ago
We have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.
LargeMarge82 3 years ago
This is from Fresh Fire Ministries. Very sad, Todd's international exposure means many people will be affected, but let him who is without sin cast the first stone. By the grace of God we'll move forward and continue to see people saved, healed and restored.
Light2North 3 years ago
There we go.. "Todd B said..." -- Always quoting Todd B first and then a little Jesus for cover.. I think I'll go have some of that illicit apple pie I bought at the store this afternoon..
guapobear 3 years ago
Not sure what you're commenting on here?
Light2North 3 years ago
What I'm saying, as a Baptist/NON-CESSATIONIST, spirit-filled believer, is.. that I recommend avoiding anything to do with IHOP, FRESHFIRE, GODTV, BOBJONES ET AL.. These people advocate things that are way beyond anything in the bible.. Do not let this into your church.. RE: the healings in your church.. Wonderful.. One of the nicest things that can happen is people relaxing in faith and God healing pain..
guapobear 3 years ago
Amen!!!!
People wake up and start reading your Bible again.
Throw away all other books and just read your Bible, if you're bornagain, the Holy Spirit will help you reading the Bilbe.
jemimahmercy 3 years ago
they all say look at the fruit.and we show the fruit..and then they deny seeing it..same old story..the world (even some beleivers) are blind..preach on bro ~shalom
beloitrose 3 years ago
Amen! its the signs & wonders that tell people that Jesus is Lord, and that He is the God of Abraham, Isaac & Jacob. I am healed of Varicose Veins. Awesome God I serve praise be unto you.
Ihavegotsome 3 years ago
Great to hear you've been healed. Have you been to Lakeland?
Light2North 3 years ago
yes we were there from the 3rd-5th july, man! it was just awesome, the worship & praise was just incredible, its real I mean real.. the people are so hungry for the move of God in their lives, lives are transformed daily, healed, delivered.. this is the Gospel in action. My husband & I are no more the same , we went there to soak, to get the annointing and transform our city, church & lives.... God is using me in different ways and moving thru both of us its unbelievable.
Ihavegotsome 3 years ago
Praise God that's awesome
Light2North 3 years ago
We have discovered new information revealing that Todd Bentley has entered into an unhealthy relationship on an emotional level with a female member of his staff. In light of this new information and in consultation with his leaders and advisors, Todd Bentley has agreed to step down from his position on the Board of Directors and to refrain from all public ministry for a season to receive counsel in his personal life.
LargeMarge82 3 years ago
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness....Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.
REPENT TO THE TRUE CHRIST and accept His ONLY revelation the HOLY BIBLE OR YOU WILL FACE THE BLACKNESS OF DARKNESS FOREVER.
maxtube22 3 years ago
Took a look at your page - how do you help the suffering and abused?
Light2North 3 years ago
Jesus was a simple person in a simple life. He was not a superstar on TV shows. God bless!
godequaljesus 3 years ago
Anyone who could get crowds of 5000 men and the crowds to line the streets of Jerusalem 1st Century AD was certainly some kind of 'star' in that time. Even royalty wanted to see him. All the main leaders in his culture knew of him. And the main religious people thought he was a false prophet and were afraid that he challenged the status quo.
Light2North 3 years ago
He is the GOD. :)
godequaljesus 3 years ago
He is the GOD. :)
godequaljesus 3 years ago
Yes, Jesus is God and I live in Christ and he lives in Me.
Light2North 3 years ago
It is bringing glory to God except where Christians refuse to accept the miracles as from the Holy Spirit and attribute them to satan. satan is doing an amazing job getting people to focus on Jesus - which is what is happening in our Church and on those I know who have been to Lakeland.
Light2North 3 years ago
It is hard therefore to see something which is igniting people's passion for Jesus as something of a work of satan.
Light2North 3 years ago
This is not of God. God never contradict himself. Todd B said God told him to set aside Jesus for awhile and preach about these 4 angels one being Emma. Satan can preform miracles as well. Truth move of God brings glory to God and not to self. This is demonic and people need to run from it and rebuke it.
JesusFishMinistries 3 years ago
Are teenagers allowed to come??. Because I might actually come with my friends..
Kymberlyxxx 3 years ago
Absolutely. There are teenagers in the worship team (from 13 to 19) - although not all of them every week as there are rotas. The youngest regular attender is 11. Come and get the fire - and healing if you need it - and take the anointing/fresh oil back to where you come from. Be great to see you. There's a good google maps link to Lamplugh House (Thursdays) and Scarborough Library (Sundays).
Light2North 3 years ago
The problem is that talk only goes but so far.
With all these cameras rolling, let's see Todd Bentley go to where someone has just died, and let us see him command in the name of Jesus the dead person to get up.
Let's see him in the name of Jesus command the blind to see and those with missing limbs for the limbs to grow back.
Even in the gospels the enemies of Jesus and the disciples couldn't deny that miracles were happening because they were present when many of them happened.
exilewith444 3 years ago
Even better try doing it yourself!
Light2North 3 years ago
Watch the video called:
"The Violent Word of God"
Can you honestly tell me that Todd's actions in this video are in alignment to how the Bible says a man of God should be?
If you believe that Todd's actions are in alignment to what the Bible says, then can you show me 1 case in the Bible where God uses a person to heal others by using violence?
exilewith444 3 years ago
Are the actions of any man all in alignment with God's word? Smith Wigglesworth was another man who could appear to be 'violent'. God delights in using people that man would reject as too weird or not religious enough. Can you show me in the Bible where we should run Sunday mornings in the way we do? Not every element of practical ministry/church life is listed in the Bible. Haven't watched the video yet though...
Light2North 3 years ago
Have you watched the video yet?
exilewith444 3 years ago
Yes. Jesus is God and he certainly uses violence in the Bible. Jesus healed many people and we have no idea of the actual way he did it, so he may have been 'strong' in some as well as spitting at them. Some of the demons may have made the situation look violent. (Luke 4:40-41) He was violent in the healing of the temple. Personally I'm not really into this Todd this and Todd that, I just wanted to see Jesus glorified and I love seeing people's lives turned round by the grace of God.
Light2North 3 years ago
I think you are sincere when you say that you want to see Jesus glorified and people's lives turned around.
The mistake I see you making however is that you rely more on your own insight, instead of what the Bible says about how Jesus is glorified. Your own insight tells you that what Todd is doing looks right.
Jesus will never go against his word. Todd Bentley does go against God's word.
Jesus nor anyone else in the Bible, ever used violence to heal anyone. Don't push this truth aside.
exilewith444 3 years ago
Did you watch the video yet?
exilewith444 3 years ago
Looks like the answer is `NO` (as there is no bible verse quoted). Steps to avoid a biblical answer (1)Muddy the waters of the question (2) increase the scope to say not all is in the bible (3) include BUCKET LOADS of subjective human experience (4) misquote bible verse (5 and my favourite) Say "we are not allowed to judge". TUD-AH!
mumpty 3 years ago
Seems entirely valid to me to say that not every example of Christian practice is in the bible. The bible sets a principle not the exact practice. So therefore we should look at the fruit of the actions, since the fruit is evidence of whether the person is attached to the true vine or not. John 15:1-2
Light2North 3 years ago
1/11. Always bearing in mind that I don't question miracles, you, God, your testimony or integrity etc., this is not personal and motives or beliefs are irrelevant to my question.
Having said that, you do ask some questions about proof and do not seem to understand what proof is. Proof (and the presentation of it) is the same in this case as it is in any natural or scientific event because healings, however resolved, have an entirely natural and testable outcome.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
3/11. The point here anyway, is that with all the effort they put in to trying to convince people, it seems bizarre that the only (or most powerful) evidence is the medical report which, even without mentioning anything supernatural, totally implies it. If we build evidence on testimony, there's millions. If on proof, any independent observer would wonder if miracles happen at all today.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
2/11. Pentecostals go out of their way to try to voluntarily present proof, rather than ask people to just trust them or accept it by faith. They try to use the person's testimony, ask if the pain has stopped, ask them to do something they could not do before, ask for witnesses, say what they recall a doctor saying, hold up reports, x-rays etc. There's a huge form of peer pressure when testifying too after a previous dramatic claim, to not lower the tone or make God look weak.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
11/11. I found it very embarrassing to continue conversations because I could see how this story got out of hand and am baffled as to how, time and time again, Christians don't understand (or choose not to understand) what proof is when it concerns healings. So, without questioning you, God, healings or anything, I'm just politely asking if you will present proof of a supernatural healing that cannot occur naturally.
Many thanks.
SC
scepticchristian 3 years ago
10/11. I have 2 doctors reports from a prominent healing evangelist in the US who kindly sent them to me recently. Both started out as claims of miraculous healings. Just because I received SOMETHING medical doesn't mean that I have received proof or that I am now the guilty party for questioning it. In fact the reports suggested entirely natural (and actually particularly slow and incomplete) recovery with continued concerns.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
9/11. What I have clearly asked if you will provide, is proof of a supernatural healing that has no possible natural explanation. Many doctors (and everyday people) can't explain lots of things, but they do not usually suggest a supernatural explanation. I don't want to debate any issue in this and am happy to accept that there may be good responses to it, so please stick to my question, this was just to answer your question about acceptable proof.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
8/11. From my experience as a Pentecostal for over 20 years and having attended hundreds of healing events around the worlds, I can testify that exaggeration and a serious lack of investigation and recall to healings that have been heard of, with the view to glorify God has an ironic justification.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
7/11. Doctors often talk about 'miraculous' healings, especially to kids to make them feel good. They don't mean it literally as the media don't mean it literally when they talk about miracle escapes, but it has to be said that the religious do tend to lap up any mention of the word if the person concerned happens to be a Christian as it encourages the congregation and lifts God up in their eyes whether God has intervened or not.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
6/11. When it is presented, it also very much depends upon what is being presented. If I obtained the x-ray of my broken arm before and after, showing a clear healing, this is evidence of a healing. But if the period between them is more than a few days/weeks, it is likely to be a natural recovery healing. It does not discount a supernatural healing just as a very fast recovery coinciding with prayer does not mean it is supernatural either.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
4/11. I find it amazing that this is not realized or investigated, as Christians are as bright and academic as anyone else and understand critical thinking in other areas. Would God want us to stop or suspend reason when it comes to certain topics? If so, why? Remember we're talking about an entirely natural, testable outcome -- a healing. Oh. Yes, watching a lot of Todd Bentley on youtube btw.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
3/11. The point here anyway, is that with all the effort they put in to trying to convince people, it seems bizarre that the only (or most powerful) evidence is the medical report which, even without mentioning anything supernatural, totally implies it. If we build evidence on testimony, there's millions. If on proof, any independent observer would wonder if miracles happen at all today.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
2/11. Pentecostals go out of their way to try to voluntarily present proof, rather than ask people to just trust them or accept it by faith. They try to use the person's testimony, ask if the pain has stopped, ask them to do something they could not do before, ask for witnesses, say what they recall a doctor saying, hold up reports, x-rays etc. There's a huge form of peer pressure when testifying too after a previous dramatic claim, to not lower the tone or make God look weak.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
An X-ray is an X-ray. The evidence would be what the X-Rays showed, when and of whom. You cannot send something that shows nothing supernatural. An X-Ray of a snapped femur on 3rd May and the same person/angle/bone on 4th May without a scar and no chance of manipulation is evidence of a supernatural healing as this cannot happen naturally. This is not strict enough for science and for good reason if we value strict tests before confirmation of major events) but is good enough for me right now.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I suppose the problem can be that with many healings someone can turnround and say, 'well it just happened to improve at that point'. For example: pain disappearing. A lot of supernatural healing that I've seen and experienced appears to be like rapid natural healing. I think there was some xray evidence offered from Lakeland - but even so it's not easy for it to be clear on the resolution of YouTube. Did you watch the CBN vid under my favourites? Still just testimony I suppose.
Light2North 3 years ago
Proof.
E.g. Confirmed medical report with before/after details that is not possible naturally and is not open to fraud.
Any words you offer are testimony. Whilst this is evidence, all well and good and not disputed by me, I'm ONLY asking if you have proof of any healing which you can present. If you don't, that's fine and proves nothing about healings -- true or fake. I'm just asking if you have proof to offer for ANY healing. I am not the best communicator, but I can't be any clearer, sorry
scepticchristian 3 years ago
So if I had the before scan showing my wife's cancer and the after scan showing no cancer would that be acceptable evidence?
Light2North 3 years ago
I have numerous X-rays, photos, videos, letters, doctor's reports and written testimonies from various sources. Despite this, I have no proof of any healings. Nothing even close. Sadly, the people who sent them have often stopped communicating or got angry, personal or similar because I did not see any evidence or proof. This is not because I was biased, it was because the evidence presented was pretty much worthless and no evidence of a healing whatsoever.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
But if you have X-rays etc and Doctor's reports how is that not proof? For the guy's arm that was healed I could try and get the Doctor's report for the condition before and the condition after of his healing. Is that acceptable evidence?
Light2North 3 years ago
Proof.
E.g. Confirmed medical report with before/after details that is not possible naturally and is not open to fraud.
Any words you offer are testimony. Whilst this is evidence, all well and good and not disputed by me, I'm ONLY asking if you have proof of any healing which you can present. If you don't, that's fine and proves nothing about healings -- true or fake. I'm just asking if you have proof to offer for ANY healing. I am not the best communicator, but I can't be any clearer, sorry.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
There are testimonies from very respected people on UFOs, ghosts, talking to the dead, the god of all religions, spiritualist healings etc. some with photos/video to support their claims. This is a form of evidence, which is fine, as is an emotional plea and people can make of them what they will.
I am not asking or currently interested in any of this or what anyone believes.
Police hear conflicting testimony from several eye witnesses who have no axe to grind. Not interested. Have you proof?
scepticchristian 3 years ago
Some comments of mine not posting now for some reason. I have e-Mailed you but await reply. My qustion remains simple and the same - Can you provide proof of a supernatural healing. You say yes and asked what kind. I've done this and await proof. If you can't, just correct yourself and I'll move on. I'm not asking for proof that is only in the spiritual realm, like a conversion experience, I'm asking for something tangiable which natural means can fully reveal.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I'm sorry I'm not clear on what kind of proof you require - may something you've written hasn't got through.
Light2North 3 years ago
Well, a message to you and anyone else in the world, US/UK or wherever. My question does not relate to or challenge tesimony, healings or the existence of God or miracles now or ever. PLEASE bear this in mind and save yourselves a lot of time. My question is simply this (as before). Do you have any proof of a supernatural healing that you will provide? You may have seen hundreds of dramatic things and I don't challenge this. OK? Just, have you any proof of one.
Thanks
scepticchristian 3 years ago
As before please make it clear what proof you require. Is for example the kind of evidence presented in the Lakeland Video listed in my favourites section on my page any good?
Light2North 3 years ago
I'm really worried at your responses. Who said i don't believe you? I have absolutely no qualms or questions about whether miracles happen now, then or at any time to you, me or anyone. This is not a question of believing anyone or not and I've clearly (I thought in detail) explained what this is and isn't about. I just have a non confrontational, non argumentative question, do you have proof that you will provide? This has no bearing on what has or has not happened. Your responses are typical.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
You'll have to state it again I'm afraid, I'm totally confused as to where you are coming from.
Light2North 3 years ago
Some comments of mine not posting now for some reason. I have e-Mailed you but await reply. My qustion remains simple and the same - Can you provide proof of a supernatural healing. You say yes and asked what kind. I've done this and await proof. If you can't, just correct yourself and I'll move on. I'm not asking for proof that is only in the spiritual realm, like a conversion experience, I'm asking for something tangiable which natural means can fully reveal.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I don't appear to have received your email. I cannot put my wife's scans up here since they are still at The Royal Marsden Hospital. Maybe they'll give us copies next time we go. It's a shame you cannot believe me in my accounts of my wife's healing and what I saw happen last Sunday to the man's arm. It wasn't filmed so I can't put that up.
Light2North 3 years ago
Dear Light2North.
I have E-Mailed you a comprehensive text. I am fully aware of what you believe and can relate to it only too well, but why do you keep referring to what ios irrelevant to the question? You again testify about what you say someone said. I just want to know if you can provide proof. You say sopmeone said something or maybe they wrote somethiong. Great. Can you provide the details. Why are you avoiding this simple question, it's not religious.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I haven't received your text yet. I'm not trying to bring up anything irrelevant - everything I've mentioned is relevant to me. The comment from the Doctor was in agreement with what you had said about hospitals not being against supernatural healing it wasn't offered as proof. Just in agreement. That my wife is alive and well is the only evidence I can offer, alongside the original diagnosis and the unsuccessful operations she endured, before she was healed.
Light2North 3 years ago
It is not irrelevant to use the Bible. I believe many things from the Bible that I don't have evidence for and healing is one of them. Most evidence for healing will be in the form of a person telling you 'well I was like this and now I am like this.' Not all of them are lying.
Light2North 3 years ago
Hi.
Have sent you a message.
btw, just seen a recent comment saying that if you can't use God's word we're on a non starter. This isn't religious. What you or I believe is irrelevent to my Q. I've said you can quote as much scripture as you like, but it has nothing to do with my question which is purely tangiable. Just asking if there is proof of something tangiable available (like the boiling point of water for example). Theology only enters after the result.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I disagree. That's the same argument many atheists use to demonstrate that there is no God. As a Christian my belief in God is firstly based on God's Word. My belief about who God is: loving, kind, full of grace, Saviour, Redeemer, Healer comes from God's Word. I'm not looking to first to proof outside the Bible before I'll believe anything about the character of God. If I don't believe God is a Saviour I won't look to him 4 Salvation, if I don't think he heals I won't look to him for healing
Light2North 3 years ago
Many believers have the conception that hospitals and non believers have an avertion to healings or anything supernatural. That they will somehow conspire, reject or ignore them. This is wholly without foundation. A healing (by definition) has clear evidence. If there is so much ambiguity to it, it is usually a good sign that there is probably a very nartural explanation. Testimony isn't proof in this or pseudosciences. Proof or tests count. My Q is purely natural. Any proof?
scepticchristian 3 years ago
In my wife's case the doctor said, 'I don't know how, but you're cured'. She was just happy for us.
Light2North 3 years ago
Great, you have proof. So that we don't go down the road of trivialities, do you have acceptable proof of a supernatural healing. If you want examples of acceptability, let me know. Classic outcome here from my investigations is that ambiguity, requester owness, confidentiality, exageration, not compliance and feelings (of feeling healed) at the time are main players. Names/contact details of people will help, like your own examples? I'll post results here if you like, confidentially.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
Yes what would you find acceptable? I agree with all your 'classic outcomes' btw! I'm not putting my wife's email here, but if you email me I will send it to you.
Light2North 3 years ago
Hi Light2North.
Sorry I'm not making myself clear. With regard to my question/challenge, it doesn't matter if I'm a Satanist or a Pentecostal. It doesn't matter what I or anyone believes. It doesn't matter what the Bible says and it does not matter who I am.
So many folk are testifying, adding people who can verify x and y. They are choosing to use verification, but won't provide the one think that would save all the time, proof...
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I don't understand however if you are a Christian how you can say the Bible doesn't matter. What proof do you offer for the whole of the Christian faith then? Surely Faith based on something other than the word is faith built upon the sand?
Light2North 3 years ago
And finally, (if it isn't clear already) accusations about lack of faith, scepticality, if we'd have been there, people just don't understand, faith can't be proven, God doesn't need to prove stuff etc. is totally unrelated. Feel free to draw what conclusion or motives you choose in others, but these vids are clearly trying to verify ("as so and so will testify etc.) healings. I'm just politely asking, "When all the talking's done, have you proof?"
Thanks. Hope this is clear.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
Yes I have proof
Light2North 3 years ago
It's OK that you believe in God and think He's awesome, that you believe in miracles and healings for today and that they are taking place in the Florida revival meetings with Todd Bentley. I am not arguing with or disputing this, so don't discuss, debate, argue, condemn anything like this. I'm just challenging you over whether a single proof for any unambiguous healing can be presented. That's all. Just proof or a polite 'No I can't' is fine. Not interested in excuses/reasons, just a yes/no.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
Yes
Light2North 3 years ago
On you own page you have story about the visit of an alien to make people think afresh about the story of Christ at Easter. But isn't all the Easter story based on what people said that has been written down? At some point you do have to listen to what people say and not dismiss healings as ambiguous. I thought my simple answer concerning 2 healings I had witnessed were about as simple as you could get in the space of a YouTube comment. If you're writing here, words are what you'll get in reply
Light2North 3 years ago
You can evangelise all you choose, quote scripture until you are blue in the face, tell people they are spiritually blind, of the devil, missing the obvious and tell stories about how your family has been raised from the dead, amputated limbs grown back etc. I don't debate this with you, only that (for whatever reason) there is simply no proof, so only address this non religious issue please. With Rev Bentley's claims, it should be easy.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
I can't verify the miracles in Lakeland I'm not there, but I find it hard to believe everyone interviewed who has been healed is lying. I guess you'll have to go and see for yourself and talk to people there. That's why the examples I used were ones I had personally witnessed but you're right if you can't believe what any Christian has to say about healing then you'll never find proof on YouTube! Believing that God heals today is no more ridiculous than believing in the Resurrection of Jesus.
Light2North 3 years ago
If I'm not allowed to quote God's Word and at least use that as some basis of belief then we really are on a complete non-starter since my whole trust in Jesus Christ is based on the Word of God as revealed in the Bible!
Light2North 3 years ago
I am not judging you, don't judge me. You may be surprised as to what I believe or have experienced. But this has NOTHING to do with my claim, don't change subjects. Have you proof or not? I challenge you. There is NOTHING you can SAY that will add anything to your case, only proof. Christians will have no problem presenting such if it is true. Purely practical please, not a religious challenge. Proof or stay silent on this challenge.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
If there's nothing I can say then what's the point in making a text comment on YouTube? The format requires me to reply with more text in another comment. I didn't change the subject I gave you two personal examples of healing one witnessed by the Royal Marsden and another by a GP. In this context I can do nothing else for you.
Light2North 3 years ago
We have an AWESOME GOD ..
GodOfElijah 3 years ago
That's right!
Light2North 3 years ago
Repentance is an essential part of salvation, but it does not have to be the only message. When Jesus called the first disciples he said, Come follow me.' Then he went around Galilee preaching the Good News and healing every sickness and disease. Matthew makes no specific reference to repentance at this point. Jesus healed many without asking for repentance first - he demonstrated the Kingdom.
Light2North 3 years ago
Hi Paul/Light2North.
I would be very happy to explain to you what is really happening and it isn't supernatural at all.
Rather than waste a lot of people's time, why don't you present proof of any single healing miracle that has happened anywhere in the world over the past 10 years. I hope that you would agree that if you or others can't, say in the next week, your claims are pretty weak. I'm not knocking you, but I am challenging you with a wake-up call to reality.
Cheers.
scepticchristian 3 years ago
Perhaps your username 'Scepticchristian' says it all! I am a believing Christian and believe the Bible when it says that believers shall lay hands on the sick and they shall get well. My wife had a scan which clearly showed the cancer in her body. Then she was prayed for at our (Kingdom Faith) healing conference. The next scan soon after this, conducted to help decide treatment, showed the cancer had completely gone. The Royal Marsden said we don't know how but you are cured.
Light2North 3 years ago
I prayed with a guy that had intense pain in his arm this Sunday at Church. His doctor told me after that he had damaged it several months ago when he had been left hanging by that one arm. He was unable to move the arm far above his waist. As I prayed his face was astonished, 'the pain's gone', he said, 'things like this don't happen to me.' As we prayed he regained full movement in his arm, he kept moving it up and down quickly because he was so astonished that he could do it.
Light2North 3 years ago
I can't speak about the UK end, but as for Florida,see the New Christian UK website cautionary warning about Lakeland
alldonebyear 3 years ago
"Watch out for false prophets.* They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them.* Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Light2North 3 years ago
That's basically what it says on this website, this quote is from Matt 7. The fruit? People healed, faith in Jesus restored, an enthusiasiam for the Word, a desire to walk in righteousness and holiness, people getting saved, backsliders returning. Sounds good to me! That's the effect that this outpouring is having in our church.
Light2North 3 years ago
The Fire is still burning in Scarborough UK and Thwing with Kingdom Faith Yorkshire. It's transferable, it was imparted directly to us by James Maloney at our Strong Tower Conference recently. Dr James is a Fresh Fire Ministries Conference speaker who works with Todd Bentley. Want to come and get some? Check out the more info on the right.
Light2North 3 years ago
To those watching this heretic do not be deceived he is trying to lead you into false gospels, false miracles and the fires of hell. View my playlists to see how scam miracles and seduction is done upon people by men like this.
The Power of God is revealed through the Son Jesus Christ and His words the Holy Bible. Return to the sound doctrines of the Bible or be lost with unrepentant heretics like this man.
maxtube22 3 years ago
So are you saying that anyone who prays for people to be healed is a heretic and that all miracles are false?
Light2North 3 years ago
Jesus also revealed the Power of God by healing the sick. Jesus also told us that we would do greater works that these. I am sorry your belief in God is small and can not allow for miracles. The Bible teaches and show a powerful, miracle working God.
scottae316 3 years ago
That's right scottae316.
Light2North 3 years ago
I am sorry that you feel that this man is being heretical. I am a person who is usually skeptical about so-called moves of God. And have been proved right by the Spirit. However, I feel a strong leading from the Holy Spirit that this 'outpouring' is legitimate. The Church has been suffering so much, especially w/ fear 'cause of wolves in sheep's clothing, persecution, and back-sliders. I believe God is wrapping His love around the sheep, & will show His fear to those who desire Him.
ManassehPoetry 3 years ago
"Isn't it possible, with all the dubious 'anointings' and angels and manifestations associated with Bentley's ministry, that what we are really seeing is a giant 'counterfeit' revival? Isn't it possible that if it the revival continues to grow at the present rate, that it may literally become one of the great delusions of the Last Days a great deception that has the power to actually deceive, if possible, the very elect?" Taken from revivalschool dot comm
iUploaded 3 years ago
Isn't it possible that what we are seeing is God at work? Isn't possible that God might actually be healing people? Isn't it possible that God doesn't want people to die of cancer? Isn't it possible that the religious are once again missing Jesus at work just as the religious missed that Jesus was the Messiah in the first century because their view of who the Messiah would be was too small?
Light2North 3 years ago
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iUploaded 3 years ago
To what then can I compare the people of this generation? What are they like? They are like children in the market place calling out to each other: 'We played the flute for you, and you did not dance; we sand a dirge for you and you did not cry.' For John the Baptist came neither eating and drinking wine and you say, 'He has a demon'. The Son of Man cam eating and drinking and you say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard...a friend of sinners.' But wisdom is proved right by all her children.Lk7.31
Light2North 3 years ago
Hello, The lakeland revival is not of God, I dont know how much you have watched of it, but there is no scriptural basis for the things that Todd Bentley is doing. I also know some things about the people that he is associated with and do not consider them genuine but rather false. If its not in the scripture, we should beware.
awillis35 3 years ago
This is not a true statement. I have watched a lot of the revival and what he says comes directly from Scripture. God is doing a mighty work through this ministry. We have to stop criticizing what we don't understand and seek God for his wisdom (Prov. 3:5-6). God is doing a mighty work just as in Jesus' day, through this revival. Todd Bentley is a willing vessel, he is not pointing to himself, but solely to JESUS CHRIST. He takes no credit, but gives all to JESUS. God is using him.
ManassehPoetry 3 years ago