-Sigh- People are going to believe what they want. I mean, I could walk up to a birther and demand proof that they were born here. They could show me a birth record and get testimony from all of their family and their friends who were there, but it doesn't prove anything. I could claim they paid all of them to lie and that they "know a guy" who got them the fake certificate. Just like with the Judgement Day thing, no matter how much proof you give, some people just won't take it.
@hamstergirl591 I'll believe he's not a muslim and wasn't born in Kenya if he can come up with all the info you mentioned but of course he can't so that makes you having said so above a idiot, get a grip, show me the proof you are talking about stupid !!!!
@owchywawa I keep seeing that claim, but I've never seen any substantiation for it. How would anyone know what Obama or his administration paid a lawyer or lawyers, for a trial that (remember this) has never occurred?
Also, according to Hawaiian officials, Hawaii simply does not give out copies of the original certificate, even to citizens who request it. They ONLY issue a Certificate of Live Birth. And they confirmed that the original document corroborates the information on Obama's COLB.
@owchywawa That shows about $1.2M paid to the firm by the Obama/Biden campaign, but there's no way to prove if any of that was birth certificate related.
What other option does Obama have?
He's shown the legal document that the state issued to him. HI does not issue the original document to *anyone*. He isn't hiding it. He only has the COLB, and he's shown it. The state (including the Republican governor at the time) attested to the COLB's validity several times. No other legal option exists.
@mattccurtis They showed the letter from the lawyer, so we know at least some of the money went towards it.
I agree in that Obama shouldn't have to show more than the COLB. However, if you're claiming that Obama couldn't get a copy of the original if he wanted to, that doesn't make sense. He wouldn't have to fight in court against people trying to get his birth certificate if it was impossible to get. Besides, this isn't only about his birth records. We've been trying to get school records too.
@owchywawa According to a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody." So I guess that's one reason the cases are being dismissed. Plus the COLB is legal proof of birth and citizenship, therefore the lawsuits are frivolous and lack standing. I don't know about the school records, though I'd guess those cases simply lack standing.
This isn't the "full version" of the original interview, it is a separate later interview. The first interview it is clear that Obama's grandmother says she was present in Kenya when Obama was born and in this second interview she 'slips up' and says initially the same thing. Obviously there is some background discussion on the tape and then she changes her story. Obama is a traitor and a dirty lier.
@buckeyeoysters RE: "This isn't the "full version" of the original interview". I went to your site to see the "full version" and only saw an edited version of 5:10. If you can guide me to the full version, please do and it must be longer then the above 10:00 full version. I like to base my arguments on facts and would be embarrassed if they weren't.
@buckeyeoysters umm no quit lying cause you birthers clearly didn t want to play the entire interview and then when you got exposed you make up a new lie sorry
I'm surprised that the "birthers" even when listening to this full version and still can't accept the fact that President Obama is a US citizen. There was a Misinterpretation between the translator and street preacher Ron McRae on the telephone interview. NOTE: This made the news yesterday. Just Google this to see what I'm talking about: liberal conservative brain
She blew it. She admits to having been present when he was born in Kenya and then after someone kicks her in the ass she says "Errrr.... I mean No, I as not present when he was born and he was born in Kenya!"
@TwinMountain The problem is that that part is very unclear. She (maybe) says she was "present" but present where? She says she was present, i.e. *here* in Kenya, while Barack was born *there* in Hawaii "where his father was learning."
@SupremekaiD5 Really? So why is he hiding any and all evidence that he's American born if he has something? Go ahead. Demonstrate to me/us that he Is American born. Do it. Show us what you've got. His Grandmother said she was present at her birth, then got kicked in the ass and said "No! I mean he was born in Hawaii." The guy's a fraud.
@TwinMountain what is he hiding exactly nothing he showed what needed to be shown you guys just continue shouting and screaming about it. Really where is the video of them kicking his grandmother i want to see it but I doubt it you guys just started saying that because you got caught lying yea first you played half of the interview to make the claim then when you got caught and were forced to play the whole interview then you started making your sorry claim.
@TwinMountain you should of had no problem playing the whole interview but you and berg thought you could get away with it. Plus when obama became senator and went and visited kenya his same grandmother said that the first time obama had come to kenya was to come see the grave of his father. Sorry you birthers cant continue lying trying to put words in the mouth of an old lady that cant speak english for you own agenda.
@SupremekaiD5 I heard the whole interview. She begins by saying she was PRESENT at his birth, and she'd never been to Hawaii. Then in the 2nd clip, somebody clearly tips her off and she's says "No! No! I mean he was born in Hawaii!" Bt this is just one of so many pieces of evidence that the guy is a liar and a fraud. How many times do you have to hear Michelle say his home country is Kenya before you light bulb goes off? Obama WILL get caught for this fraud eventually.
@TwinMountain UMM no she never said she was present at his birth she said she was present at the birth of obama senior because thats who she thought they were talking about and what evidence do you have that she was tipped off you cant see anything so sorry nice try next time you birthers will go and do i live taped interview and actually see her and a better interviewer especially sinc he was preassuming the questions plus the grandmother already said the 1st time to see his dads grave
@SupremekaiD5 Hah! She thought they were asking if she was present at the birth of her own son? Guy? Admit it. We've got this fraud a thousand different ways. He's Kenyan born. Can't produce a birth certificate OR WHY WOULDN'T HE? His wife says his home country is Kenya TWICE on video. He traveled to Pakistan when he was 20 and when they didn't allow American passports in. He's a fraud!
@TwinMountain yes she was present at the birth of obama senior umm maybe you didnt know she is obama's step grandmother who raised his father, obamas grandfather had 3 wives thats why she was present at obama sr's birth and plus all your thousands of ways have been debunked thousands of times it doesent matter how many times his wife called kenya his home coutry that proves nothing and she was reffering to his ancestry land sorry and there was no travel ban to pakistan for americans.
@SupremekaiD5 Google this "Abercrombie Admits There Are No Obama Birth Records In Hawaii" He is doing THE SAME thing Obama's grandmother did. Now that he said it, he's saying "Uh! I mean. Uh! I misspoke!" How do you respond to this? How about democrat Tim Adams? How about ALL of it?
@TwinMountain oh please that story which wasnt even true Abercrombie never even said that there was no bc even tim adams who had no acess to the birth records sorry um birthers why cant they do proper interviews instead of preasuming questions or trying to put words in peoples mouth why are they so desperate. You truley want us to believe your conspiracy theory that an 18 year old pregnant white woman flew halfway across the world to give birth cause she new her baby would be president.
@SupremekaiD5 So the bottom line with you is that you have NO argument. You just deny all evidence that he was not born in Hawaii OR America and never question why he has spent big bucks fighting having to show us his birth certificate. You really have NOTHING to contribute, do you?
@TwinMountain the argument is the evidence against him has been proven false but for you and the birthers you are desperatley willing to except anything that claims he he wasnt born in the usa so you have no argument whatsoever. What is he fighting he's the president you have no argument you just keep bringing up debunked claims.
@SupremekaiD5 As soon as we see THE ORIGANAL it will be over. A stamp and check for $10 closes this forever. THAT EASY bt he refuses. I LOVE the CONN Social Security number he has. Its great. Hey that progressive democratic GOV who said this would be put to rest SAYS HE CANNOT find. SAYS IT IS WRITTEN DOWN THOU. On a cocktail napkin? hahahahahahahaha Hey Gov CROMBIE BAT where is it? Obama even took it off his web site because he was had
@PatriotWatchUSA all the proof has been shown he's an american. This was put to rest long ago yet you birthers just wont shut up show the bc please so you can whine more
@SupremekaiD5 Prove to me he is AMERICAN. Nobody knows him. NO DOCTOR NO FRIENDS. Conn Social Security number. JSUT SHOW THE ORIGANAL BIRTH RECORD SIGNED BY DOC $10.00. I will send it to him. TRANSPARENCY hahahahahaha fool
@TwinMountain his wife lol she was reffering to his ancestry land so once again your wrong linda lee called china bruce lee's home coutry even though bruce lee was born in the usa sorry so turn off your light bulb
@TwinMountain you birthers fail to bring up evidence of his mom traveling there and in this interview mcrae never talks about his mother.But hey you birthers were forced to play the whole interview at first you guys were only playing it up tpo the part where you assume she says obama was born in kenya then stop it there.If it werent for the courts forcingberg to play her correcting the statement
MANY top experts on documents and digital images state the digital image of the alleged 2007 computer generated Certification of Live Birth (COLB) first posted on the political web site, DailyKos, on July 12, 2008, which was later published on Obama's own "Fight-the-Smears" web site, and then later on FakeCheck, and the alleged underlying document later pictured on these internet sites is a forgery.
@9nunyabiz9 Yes it's a forgery as has no more evidence than a footprint of bigfoot. It's an image put up, verified" by 2 hacks at Factcheck. Unfortunately Zero's birth record was amended in 2006 as admitted by Hawaii DOH. No such amendment is stated on his online "proof" which he won't present in any of 70 + court proceedings over his eligibility.
No hospital in Honolulu has yet to confirm that Ohblowme was born there. One would think that given that Ohblowme is the first African-American President elected in the U.S., that his birth in any hospital would be an historic event. One would also expect the birth hospital to be boasting about the birth there and naming the wing of the hospital after him.
18JULY2010 - (WHAT A COMPLETE FAILURE! LOL!)The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16.
The president earns an Approval Index rating of -28 among men and -6 among women.
The Roberts court has now quietly accepted information concerning discrepancies in Obama's history that raise serious questions about his eligibility for the office of President. The charge goes far beyond the birth certificate issue. This information involves possible fraudulent use of a Social Security number in Connecticut, while Obama was a high school student in Hawaii. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. (The Supreme Court CAN assume primary jurisdiction in D.C. corruption cases.)
Obama AND Holder are definitely going to prison! Obama has even identified Chief Justice John Roberts as his number one enemy, that is, apart from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And it is no accident that the one swing-vote on the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy, stated recently that he has no intention of retiring until 'Obama is gone.'
The Roberts Court has signaled, in a very subtle manner, of course, that it intends to address the issues about which Obama critics have been screaming to high heaven. A ruling against Obama on any one of these important issues could potentially cripple the Administration.
A whistle-blower who resigned from the DOJ is now charging Holder with the deliberate refusal to pursue cases against Blacks, particularly those who are involved in radical hate-groups, such as the New Black Panthers, who have been caught on tape calling for the murder of white people and their babies. Holder should be LYNCHED from the highest tree, that cock sucking Marxist devil!
The biggest biggie that SHALL send the entire house of cards tumbling in a free-fall is the latest revelation concerning the Obama-Holder Department of Justice and its refusal to pursue the New Black Panther Party. The group is caught on tape committing felonies by attempting to intimidate Caucasian voters into staying away from the polls. Obama and Holder are anti American, anti white Marxist TRAITORS and treasonous bastards!
In addition, the Court will eventually be forced to rule on the dreadful decision of the Obama DOJ to sue the state of Arizona. That, too, could send the Obama doctrine of open borders to an early grave, given that the Administration refuses to enforce federal law on illegal aliens. FUCK THE TRAITORS CALLED OBAMA and HOLDER UP THE ASS WITH WHITE HOT STEEL!
MANY cases involving criminal activity, conflicts of interest, and pay-for-play cronyism should land many Administration officials, if not the President himself, in hot water with the Supreme Court. Frankly, nothing comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of the Obama Administration, not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate the Obama Administration.
busymartin - The Supreme Court HAS defined "natural born Citizen", but you lie and lie and lie and twist and turn to make it SEEM as if they haven't. You and Ohblowme are BOTH fucking trashy scum.
There are two necessary parts to being a "natural born Citizen" of the USA and thus constitutionally eligible to be the President and Commander of the military. One is being born in the USA. This first part is necessary but not sufficient. The 2nd and very important part is that you MUST be born of parents who are BOTH citizens of the USA when the child is born. Obama has NEITHER parts of these two necessary attributes. Obama is a Usurper and must be removed from office NOW!
@busymartian CAUGHT!!! NOT TRUE! You lie and lie and lie. You're following the standard "mediamatters"/George Soros script, which is composed of nothing but well known lies! XXXX You are FINISHED, I'll out your sorry, lying ass until your fingers bleed!
@busymartian NOTHING that you've said is factual! You're scripted and you're SOOO fucking obvious! ALL you paid liars say the same old bullshit over and over and over!
@busymartian YOU are undoubtedly the biggest liar and retarded fool on YouTube. Do you REALLY think that ANYONE believes your feeble minded nonsense? ANYONE? Nigaho, you are INSANE!
The Minister of Lands in Kenya, James Orengo, on 25 March 2010 during Kenyan National Assembly debate on their new Constitution, declares on the record that Obama "was born here in Kenya" and is not a "native American"!
Another Kenyan Minister, Dr. Bonny Khalwale, stated on the record on 14 April 2010 in the Kenyan National Assembly that Obama should repatriate himself to Kenya.
Since Mr. Orengo has no reason to know where President Obama was born (assuming he is correctly interpreted as saying Obama was born in Kenya), his remark carries no evidentiary weight. The Minister of Lands oversees property and deeds in Kenya, not birth registration.
@busymartian ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARLIAMENT of the REPUBLIC OF KENYA HAVE ACCESS TO ALL KENYAN GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS. You can't bullshit people, you just THINK you can, fool.
Under current law, a born "Citizen of the United States" is one granted that status under the 14th Amendment or Congressional Act (e.g. Title 8 Section 1401), (cont'd)
...both of which consider either (1) being born on United States soil or (2) being born to at least one United States citizen parent sufficient conditions for being granted the status of a born "Citizen of the United States." Never in our history has the United States Supreme Court or the Congress ever required that one needs to satisfy both of these conditions in order to be a “citizen of the United States.” But as to a “natural born Citizen,” we have a different story.
IF (which is VERY DOUBTFUL) Obama was born in Hawaii, he would fall under the Framers’ "citizen of the United States" status as later defined by the Fourteenth Amendment. But being a born "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment in 1961 is not sufficient to establish eligibility under Article II which requires that Obama be a "natural born Citizen."
....for it was never amended by any constitutional amendment, including the Fourteenth Amendment, or changed by any Act of Congress or any decision of the United States Supreme Court, including United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In fact, the United States Supreme Court has to this day used the term “natural born Citizen” only to describe a person born in the country to two U.S. Citizen parents.
Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, or Principles of the Laws of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns, bk. 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (original French in 1758 and first English in 1759): Vattel clearly distinguished between “citizens” (“citoyens” in French) and “naturals” (“naturels” in French). His title for Section 212 is “Des citoyens et naturels” (“Of citizens and naturals” which the English translators called "Of the citizens and natives"). (cont'd)
....He therefore saw that there is a difference between the two types of citizens. He then explained that difference: “The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country of parentS (TWO) who are citizenS (BOTH)”. In the 1797 English edition, the translator replaced the word “indigenes” with (cont'd)
...with “natural-born citizens.” Hence, it read: “The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Hence, while the definition of a natural born citizen never changed in Vattel’s texts, the term to express it was changed from “indigenes” to “natural-born citizens.”
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875): “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the (cont'd)
....framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parentS (TWO) who were its citizenS (BOTH) became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts,(cont'd)
FACT : "Mama Sara" changed her story AFTER someone in the background coached her! Blowbama was born in Mombasa, and even if he hadn't been, he STILL IS NOT a "natural born Citizen", the Supreme Court has never wavered from ONE definition, to wit : "TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS + BORN ON U.S. SOIL (or it's equivalent) = A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289, Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245, Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S.162 167-68, ETC!
@busymartian The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814), Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830), Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36, 21 L.Ed. 394, 16 Wall. 36 (1872), Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875), Ex parte Reynolds, 20 F.Cas. 582, 5 Dill. 394, No. 11,719 (C.C.W.D.Ark 1879), Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890). READ THE CASES and WEEP, YOU PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
@busymartian ...but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is NOT necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parentS (TWO) within the jurisdiction (U.S.soil), are themselves citizens.” Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. Minor did not cite Vattel but as can be seen the Court’s definition of a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” are taken directly out of Vattel’s Section 212.
Sure it says parents, but it does not specify that this is the exclusive case, meaning it doesn't say it doesn't apply to two parents.
In Mustata v. DOJ, "Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States."
@busymartian The ONLY possible way the children could be "natural born Citizens" is if BOTH PARENTS were U.S. Citizens at the time the children were born. BTW, "Mustata" is NOT a Romanian name, it is a Gypsy name. I own two homes in Romania and a winery in Moldova. You're just another illiterate Obamawhoring liar. "TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS + BORN ON U.S. SOIL = NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". No other formula has EVER been recognized by the Supreme Court, the term itself is OVER 2,000 years old!
In Nwankpa v. Kissinger, "The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States."
@busymartian AGAIN : The ONLY way the third child became a "natural born Citizen" was because BOTH PARENTS HAS BECOME NATURALIZED U.S. CITIZENS + SHE WAS BORN ON U.S. SOIL, moron! Which law schools did YOU attend? My wife attended Harvard and Babeş-Bolyai University, thus earning two J.D. degrees, I attended Emory, where earned both a J.D. and a MD. specializing in diagnostic radiology.
@busymartian Under the law, Obama is ABSOLUTELY NOT A "natural born Citizen" and only gullible and illiterate fools believe otherwise! (Since when did Georgia Tech offer correspondence degrees in Human Biology and Nuclear Physics? When did Emory start offering correspondence degrees in law AND medicine? NEVER, you broke ass, uneducated, Obamawhoring pathological liar!)
You didn't attend those schools, Orly. Just another one of your lies. And just as Judge Land told you before, "Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."
If two parent citizens were such a big deal, Chester A. Arthur wouldn't have been President, Bobby Jindal wouldn't even be considered as a Presidential candidate, and Congress would have said something long ago on the subject of Obama's candidacy.
@busymartian MANY cases involving criminal activity, conflicts of interest, and pay-for-play cronyism could potentially land many Administration officials, if not the President himself, in hot water with the Court. Frankly, nothing comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of this Administration, not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate this Administration.
Oh that! Yeah, that's been a part of politics forever. The only thing about this new one with the Dems, is that they didn't do it correctly. You don't offer someone a job that pays NOTHING! What were they thinking? That's just dumb!
@busymartian You're out of facts AGAIN? ROTFLOL! United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
But it doesn't say that it's exclusive does it? It doesn't exclude one parent.
In Nyman v. Erickson, "She was born in a state of the United States, and whether her parents were naturalized or not, under the Constitution she is a natural-born citizen of the United States entitled to the benefits of all the laws of the United States and of the state. "
@busymartian It FULLY EXCLUDES one parent, BOTH PARENTS MUST BE U.S. Citizens to confer "natural born Citizen" status upon a child, moron. Obama II's old drunk, legless from a DWI in which he KILLED two innocent persons dad was BRITISH, he was NEVER a U.S. Citizen, therefore Obama II is AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED.
Nobody agues that Barack Obama Sr. was never a US citizen. Everyone knows that. But his citizenship does not affect someone else's citizenship that was born on US soil unless he was a diplomat.
@busymartian AGAIN : Obama I was British, it does not matter that the marriage was not legal, Obama II CANNOT POSSIBLY BE A "natural born Citizen" because his sorry alcoholic dad was BRITISH. AGAIN : YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO APPLY DIPLOMATIC RULES WHERE THEY ARE NOT RELEVANT or APPLICABLE. Ignorance of the law such as yours just ASTOUNDS me! PLUS, you repeat the same old worn out lies over and over and over and over, which does not make them true.
So since Obama's words trump the British Nationality Act of 1948, you can't use it as a reference.
There's a difference between swearing allegiance to a country and a country offering dual citizenship. Kenyan policy can' affect the rights of an American citizen.
And what does Obama II's drinking problem have to do with his son?
@busymartian One more time : Obama I was BRITISH, therefore there is NO WAY that BOTH his parents were U.S. Citizens, thus Obama II CANNOT BE A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN", you retarded fuck! "Swearing allegiance" has NOTHING TO DO WITH A NEWBORN'S BIRTH STATUS. Let me know when you hear a newborn swear ANYTHING. You are SOOO confused and fucked up in the head! I could hold a flashlight to the back of your head and your eyes would glow like headlights!
@busymartian United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parentS (TWO) who were its citizenS (BOTH), became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Vattel's "Law of Nations" is the ONLY legal definition.
So Vattel's definition of "Natural Born Citizen" in the Law of Nations was what our Founding Fathers was referring to in the Constitution?
The problem is that you start with a plural (children) and continue with two more plurals (parents) and (citizens). Your assumption is that it only applies to the singular (child) applies with those last two plurals and not singulars.
@busymartian The simple fact is that a person is either a "natural born Citizen" at birth by virtue of two Supreme Court affirmed factors, or the child can NEVER become a "natural born Citizen". The two requirements are : (A) Both parents MUST BE U.S. Citizens when the child is born. (B) The child MUST be born on United States soil (or its equivalent). Failure to meet both of these requirements disqualifies a child from EVER attaining "natural born Citizen" status.
@busymartian Excuse me, but how ancient is the term "natural born Citizen", mister attorney wannabe? When was the term FIRST written and defined? Give me the year and the ORIGINAL AUTHOR of the term.
@busymartian Simply put, the term ''natural born Citizen'' has been so common and so well defined for so long that attorneys laugh at fools like you who know nothing whatsoever about the term,.
The reason you curse and throw viscious insults so freely is because you hate Barack Obama and you know you're wrong.
Look up "House Congressional Record June 14th 1967" the case tried to be made that George Romney couldn't be President. The evidence presented shows quite clear that an American born in America to an American mother IS a Natural Born Citizen and enjoys all of its rights, not just some. This includes English and Natural law.
@busymartian The reason that you continue to post lie after lie is that you are (A) Mentally ill. (B) Just plain stupid. (C) You are a cheap Obamawhore who cannot comprehend LAW. (D) Your mother raised a fucking moron.
And you continue to throw baseless insults and profanity. I must be a real threat to you. Facts are like kryptonite when you're faced with having to admit we have a Black President.
The fact is, there are two kinds of citizens: born and naturalized. Naturalized citizens can't be President. Born citizens can.
Maybe you can work the "Obama was born in Kenya" rumor to further your cause. The NBC angle just ain't cutting it.
@busymartian ....so chose and a naturalized citizen can be a “citizen of the United States” but cannot be a “natural born Citizen.” Hence, the Amendment only defined the Framers' "citizen of the United States," which status created doubts throughout our history but did not define the Framers’ "natural born Citizen" which never created any doubts as to its meaning and therefore needed no clarification through any constitutional amendment.
@busymartian ALL YOU DO IS LIE and LIE and LIE. The Supreme Court HAS ruled on the definition of "natural born Citizen" in SEVERAL CASES. You're nothing but a fucking pathological liar, and/or retarded, your posts PROVE your stupidity beyond any and all reasonable doubt. You could not defend against a parking ticket in a court of law, HELL, you could fuck up a wet dream, you gay ass lying moron.
@busymartian ...by either birth or naturalization in the United States and being “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” the equal status of a "citizen of the United States." The amendment makes no mention of a “natural born Citizen” and surely would not by implication equate a “citizen of the United States” with a “natural born Citizen” since the Framers in Article II were careful to make a distinction between the two types of citizens and we must give meaning to the words the Framers (cont'd)
@busymartian ...United States” at the time the Constitution was adopted in 1787. Hence, to be eligible to be President, he must be a “natural born Citizen.” But if Obama was born in Hawaii which we know was to a non-U.S. citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, he would be a born "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment but not a "natural born Citizen" under Article II. So even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he would not be eligible to be President under Article II.
@busymartian ....but NEVER as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is NOT necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.” Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. The Court’s definition of a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” are taken directly out of Vattel’s Section 212.
The judge in Minor v Happersett was not expressing doubts about the definition of “natural born citizen” but most precisely about who were citizens at birth prior to the 14th Amendment.
@busymartian ....were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parentS (TWO, PLURAL) who were its citizenS (BOTH, PLURAL) became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, (cont'd)
@busymartian United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parentsS (TWO) who were its citizenS (BOTH), became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
@busymartian When words are PLURAL and I add (TWO) and (BOTH) it is so that fools like you will not misinterpret the ruling of the court, IT WAS NOT "PERSONAL ASSUMPTIONS", YOU FUCKING RETARDED LIAR!
@busymartian ....they allowed persons who were "citizens of the United States" to be President, provided that they had that status as of the time the Constitution was adopted which we know was 1787. If a child did not have that status at that time, the Framers required that a would-be President be a "natural born Citizen." There is no denying from a simple reading of its text that the Fourteenth Amendment only grants to individuals, who can acquire (cont'd)
@busymartian (EXCUSE ME, BUT THE LAW APPLIES EQUALLY TO ALL RACES, YOU MOUTH FULL OF STEAMING BULLSHIT FOOL!) : Even if Blownama were born in the United States, at most he is a Fourteenth Amendment born "citizen of the United States" but not an Article II "natural born Citizen." At the time the Framers adopted the Constitution, (cont'd)
@busymartian IF, indeed, Obama was born in Hawaii, he would fall under the Framers’ "citizen of the United States" status as later defined by the Fourteenth Amendment. But being a born "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment in 1961 is not sufficient to establish eligibility under Article II which now requires that Obama be a "natural born Citizen." There is also no denying that being born in 1961, Obama was not a “citizen of the (cont'd)
You're trying to float the notion there are three categories of citizenship. But there are only two: Natural Born and Naturalized.
Black’s Law Dictionary defines “native” as “a natural-born subject or citizen by birth; one who owes his domicile or citizenship to the fact of his birth within the country referred to.”
@busymartian ...but NEVER as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is NOT necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.” Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. The Court’s definition of a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” are taken directly out of Vattel’s Section 212.
Have you ever read "Law of Nations?" The first edition to contain the words "Natural Born Citizen" (the matter at hand) didn't come out until ten years AFTER the Constitution was written.
And if you've read LON, you'd know De Vattel is flexible about citizenship for situations outside the parents, birth place and law all coinciding.
LON is not a codification of international law, or a dictionary of legal terms. It is a book about natural law and how it applies to governments.
@busymartian (Clarification of the ruling by stating "TWO, PLURAL", and "BOTH, PLURAL" have been added for the edification of illiterate liars such as "busymartian", who cannot seem to grasp that PLURAL always means "more than one") : Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875): “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution (cont'd)
@busymartian The words "parents" and "citizens" end in the letter "s", thus showing that the court CLEARLY meant that they were PLURAL, as in (TWO) and (BOTH), simple clarifications which were added so that you would not attempt to lie your way around the terms. Those are NOT "personal assumptions", they are simple English, you extremely illiterate and simple minded fool. BTW, The more you post, it becomes very clear that you do not have even one small clue about anything and YOU ARE A LIAR.
It's an extensive and scholarly treatment of the history and the cases related to the term “natural born citizen”. It was written in the context of a possible candidacy of Governor George Romney (born in Mexico) for president.
It clearly illustrates that someone born in the US is a Natural Born Citizen.
I'm referring to a1967 essay entitled “Natural Born Citizen,” by the Hon. Pinckney G. McElwee of the Bar of the District of Columbia, was entered into the Congressional Record.
@9nunyabiz9 The Hon. Pinckney G. McElwee of the Bar of the District of Columbia didn't write a recipe. He addressed the issue of "Natural Born Citizen's" meaning. It was never specifically defined by the Supreme Court.
Minor v Happersett didn't exclude a citizen being born to one citizen parent. Otherwise, it would use the word exclude or something to that fashion.
@busymartian The simple act of being born in the USA is NOT LEGALLY SUFFICIENT to QUALIFY A PERSON AS A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". Being born here to ONE U.S. Citizen parent or TWO ALIEN parents makes a person a "born Citizen of the USA". ONLY A PERSON BORN ON U.S. SOIL TO TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS IS A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". I AM LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW, YOU ARE A VERY OBVIOUS LIAR. EITHER STOP EXPRESSING LEGAL OPINIONS HERE, OR EXPECT TO BE PROSECUTED, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT "ADVICE" IS FREE.
In the case of Lynch v Clarke (N. Y.) 1 Sandf. Ch. 583 Assistant Vice Chancellor Sandford said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the limits and allegiance of the United States whatever the situation of his parents was a natural born citizen and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession In re Look Tin Sing (U. S.) 21 Fed. 905, 909.
Please tell me who exactly I'm advising. If you want to prosecute me, bring it on, baby!
@busymartian I added no "spin", I simply CLARIFIED the FACT that the Supreme Court stated PLURAL in the case of parentage AND Citizenship are REQUIREMENTS, NOT options. JUST DAMN! You make a brass door knob look intelligent!
@busymartian Don't worry, one person from one of Reverend Wright's videos is in jail in Georgia for practicing law without a license right now, and because he's from out of state, he will not be allowed to post bond! My brother is the prosecutor, PUNK!
@busymartian When you cite cases and make assertions concerning laws, you ARE practicing law without a license. My brother is the chief district attorney here and he WILL burn your ass for "playing lawyer", moron.
The term natural born citizen of the United States means all persons born in the allegiance of the United States. United States v Rhodes (U. S.) 27 Fed. Cas. 785, 789. The natural born subjects of a monarch comprise all persons born in the allegiance of the King United States v Rhodes (U. S.) 27 Fed. Cas. 785, 789.
Tell me how Chester A. Arthur became President with only one citizen parent at his birth.
@busymartian When the United States Marshals arrive to transport your insane ass to Georgia, you'd better "man up" and be ready to sit there for at least a year awaiting trial, you mentally fucked up liar.
@busymartian When the United States Marshals arrive to transport your insane ass to Georgia, you'd better "man up" and be ready to sit there for at least a year awaiting trial, you mentally fucked up liar.
@busymartian The cases that you continue to cite are ERRONEOUS, IRRELEVANT, and INFERIOR TO ALL UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RULINGS. You are truly insane!
@busymartian The Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, Peter N.R.O. Ogego, confirmed on November 6, 2008, during a radio interview with Detroit radio talk-show hosts Mike Clark, Trudi Daniels, and Marc Fellhauer on WRIF's "Mike In the Morning," that "President-Elect Obama" was born in Kenya and that his birth place was already a "well-known" attraction.
This is clearly a misinterpretation, since the “well-known attraction” is the village of Kogello, not the Coast Hospital in Mombasa. The Ambassador’s assistant, the next day, said that the Ambassador was misunderstood, and that the Ambassador had no way of knowing where Obama was born. This theme will re-occur I suspect. The testimony of someone who has no reason to know something carries no weight.
@busymartian So the more than twenty five members of The Parliament of The Republic of Kenya who have stated that "Ohblowme was born here" are liars? Nice try, moron.
If people don't believe that Obama is a muslim born in Kenya those people are hard headed with voter remorse, more likely just plan stupid !
dhorton4465 3 weeks ago
Fucking hell cant hear shit
wtfzwrong 9 months ago
-Sigh- People are going to believe what they want. I mean, I could walk up to a birther and demand proof that they were born here. They could show me a birth record and get testimony from all of their family and their friends who were there, but it doesn't prove anything. I could claim they paid all of them to lie and that they "know a guy" who got them the fake certificate. Just like with the Judgement Day thing, no matter how much proof you give, some people just won't take it.
hamstergirl591 9 months ago
@hamstergirl591 I'll believe he's not a muslim and wasn't born in Kenya if he can come up with all the info you mentioned but of course he can't so that makes you having said so above a idiot, get a grip, show me the proof you are talking about stupid !!!!
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obama is a muslim
obama is anti-american
obama is the worst president ever
FuckMeBlind69 10 months ago
@FuckMeBlind69 Yes. He's also an extra-terrestrial, communist gay woman. Don't leave anything out!
mattccurtis 10 months ago
What do you think about the claim that 2 million dollars were spent to keep people from seeing his birth certificate and school records etc.
owchywawa 10 months ago
@owchywawa I keep seeing that claim, but I've never seen any substantiation for it. How would anyone know what Obama or his administration paid a lawyer or lawyers, for a trial that (remember this) has never occurred?
Also, according to Hawaiian officials, Hawaii simply does not give out copies of the original certificate, even to citizens who request it. They ONLY issue a Certificate of Live Birth. And they confirmed that the original document corroborates the information on Obama's COLB.
mattccurtis 10 months ago
@mattccurtis This is the only source I know of (not to say I looked very hard):
wnd(dot)com/?pageId=95772
I think he was born in Hawaii, I just wonder why he hasn't released any of his records.
owchywawa 10 months ago
@owchywawa That shows about $1.2M paid to the firm by the Obama/Biden campaign, but there's no way to prove if any of that was birth certificate related.
What other option does Obama have?
He's shown the legal document that the state issued to him. HI does not issue the original document to *anyone*. He isn't hiding it. He only has the COLB, and he's shown it. The state (including the Republican governor at the time) attested to the COLB's validity several times. No other legal option exists.
mattccurtis 10 months ago
@mattccurtis They showed the letter from the lawyer, so we know at least some of the money went towards it.
I agree in that Obama shouldn't have to show more than the COLB. However, if you're claiming that Obama couldn't get a copy of the original if he wanted to, that doesn't make sense. He wouldn't have to fight in court against people trying to get his birth certificate if it was impossible to get. Besides, this isn't only about his birth records. We've been trying to get school records too.
owchywawa 10 months ago
@owchywawa According to a spokesman for the Hawaii attorney general's office, "It's a Department of Health record and it can't be released to anybody." So I guess that's one reason the cases are being dismissed. Plus the COLB is legal proof of birth and citizenship, therefore the lawsuits are frivolous and lack standing. I don't know about the school records, though I'd guess those cases simply lack standing.
mattccurtis 10 months ago
This isn't the "full version" of the original interview, it is a separate later interview. The first interview it is clear that Obama's grandmother says she was present in Kenya when Obama was born and in this second interview she 'slips up' and says initially the same thing. Obviously there is some background discussion on the tape and then she changes her story. Obama is a traitor and a dirty lier.
buckeyeoysters 10 months ago
@buckeyeoysters RE: "This isn't the "full version" of the original interview". I went to your site to see the "full version" and only saw an edited version of 5:10. If you can guide me to the full version, please do and it must be longer then the above 10:00 full version. I like to base my arguments on facts and would be embarrassed if they weren't.
mikekadas 10 months ago 2
@buckeyeoysters umm no quit lying cause you birthers clearly didn t want to play the entire interview and then when you got exposed you make up a new lie sorry
SupremekaiD5 10 months ago
I'm surprised that the "birthers" even when listening to this full version and still can't accept the fact that President Obama is a US citizen. There was a Misinterpretation between the translator and street preacher Ron McRae on the telephone interview. NOTE: This made the news yesterday. Just Google this to see what I'm talking about: liberal conservative brain
mikekadas 10 months ago 2
She blew it. She admits to having been present when he was born in Kenya and then after someone kicks her in the ass she says "Errrr.... I mean No, I as not present when he was born and he was born in Kenya!"
TwinMountain 1 year ago
@TwinMountain The problem is that that part is very unclear. She (maybe) says she was "present" but present where? She says she was present, i.e. *here* in Kenya, while Barack was born *there* in Hawaii "where his father was learning."
mattccurtis 1 year ago
@TwinMountain wow your wrong you just like philip berg are desperate so you will say anything to defend your claim
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 Really? So why is he hiding any and all evidence that he's American born if he has something? Go ahead. Demonstrate to me/us that he Is American born. Do it. Show us what you've got. His Grandmother said she was present at her birth, then got kicked in the ass and said "No! I mean he was born in Hawaii." The guy's a fraud.
TwinMountain 1 year ago
@TwinMountain what is he hiding exactly nothing he showed what needed to be shown you guys just continue shouting and screaming about it. Really where is the video of them kicking his grandmother i want to see it but I doubt it you guys just started saying that because you got caught lying yea first you played half of the interview to make the claim then when you got caught and were forced to play the whole interview then you started making your sorry claim.
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@TwinMountain you should of had no problem playing the whole interview but you and berg thought you could get away with it. Plus when obama became senator and went and visited kenya his same grandmother said that the first time obama had come to kenya was to come see the grave of his father. Sorry you birthers cant continue lying trying to put words in the mouth of an old lady that cant speak english for you own agenda.
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 I heard the whole interview. She begins by saying she was PRESENT at his birth, and she'd never been to Hawaii. Then in the 2nd clip, somebody clearly tips her off and she's says "No! No! I mean he was born in Hawaii!" Bt this is just one of so many pieces of evidence that the guy is a liar and a fraud. How many times do you have to hear Michelle say his home country is Kenya before you light bulb goes off? Obama WILL get caught for this fraud eventually.
TwinMountain 1 year ago
@TwinMountain UMM no she never said she was present at his birth she said she was present at the birth of obama senior because thats who she thought they were talking about and what evidence do you have that she was tipped off you cant see anything so sorry nice try next time you birthers will go and do i live taped interview and actually see her and a better interviewer especially sinc he was preassuming the questions plus the grandmother already said the 1st time to see his dads grave
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 Hah! She thought they were asking if she was present at the birth of her own son? Guy? Admit it. We've got this fraud a thousand different ways. He's Kenyan born. Can't produce a birth certificate OR WHY WOULDN'T HE? His wife says his home country is Kenya TWICE on video. He traveled to Pakistan when he was 20 and when they didn't allow American passports in. He's a fraud!
TwinMountain 1 year ago
@TwinMountain yes she was present at the birth of obama senior umm maybe you didnt know she is obama's step grandmother who raised his father, obamas grandfather had 3 wives thats why she was present at obama sr's birth and plus all your thousands of ways have been debunked thousands of times it doesent matter how many times his wife called kenya his home coutry that proves nothing and she was reffering to his ancestry land sorry and there was no travel ban to pakistan for americans.
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@TwinMountain and he produced a bc which has already been confirmed by the state of hawaii so sorry you fail again.
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 Google this "Abercrombie Admits There Are No Obama Birth Records In Hawaii" He is doing THE SAME thing Obama's grandmother did. Now that he said it, he's saying "Uh! I mean. Uh! I misspoke!" How do you respond to this? How about democrat Tim Adams? How about ALL of it?
TwinMountain 1 year ago
@TwinMountain oh please that story which wasnt even true Abercrombie never even said that there was no bc even tim adams who had no acess to the birth records sorry um birthers why cant they do proper interviews instead of preasuming questions or trying to put words in peoples mouth why are they so desperate. You truley want us to believe your conspiracy theory that an 18 year old pregnant white woman flew halfway across the world to give birth cause she new her baby would be president.
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 So the bottom line with you is that you have NO argument. You just deny all evidence that he was not born in Hawaii OR America and never question why he has spent big bucks fighting having to show us his birth certificate. You really have NOTHING to contribute, do you?
TwinMountain 1 year ago
@TwinMountain the argument is the evidence against him has been proven false but for you and the birthers you are desperatley willing to except anything that claims he he wasnt born in the usa so you have no argument whatsoever. What is he fighting he's the president you have no argument you just keep bringing up debunked claims.
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 As soon as we see THE ORIGANAL it will be over. A stamp and check for $10 closes this forever. THAT EASY bt he refuses. I LOVE the CONN Social Security number he has. Its great. Hey that progressive democratic GOV who said this would be put to rest SAYS HE CANNOT find. SAYS IT IS WRITTEN DOWN THOU. On a cocktail napkin? hahahahahahahaha Hey Gov CROMBIE BAT where is it? Obama even took it off his web site because he was had
PatriotWatchUSA 1 year ago
@PatriotWatchUSA all the proof has been shown he's an american. This was put to rest long ago yet you birthers just wont shut up show the bc please so you can whine more
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
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@SupremekaiD5 NO proof has been shown. IT WAS A FAKE> GO DO YOUR HOMEWORK. DEATH PENALTY
PatriotWatchUSA 1 year ago
@TwinMountain prove to me he was born in kenya when did ann dunham travel,what airline,hospital when did she leave .hmmm
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@SupremekaiD5 Prove to me he is AMERICAN. Nobody knows him. NO DOCTOR NO FRIENDS. Conn Social Security number. JSUT SHOW THE ORIGANAL BIRTH RECORD SIGNED BY DOC $10.00. I will send it to him. TRANSPARENCY hahahahahaha fool
PatriotWatchUSA 1 year ago
@TwinMountain his wife lol she was reffering to his ancestry land so once again your wrong linda lee called china bruce lee's home coutry even though bruce lee was born in the usa sorry so turn off your light bulb
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
@TwinMountain you birthers fail to bring up evidence of his mom traveling there and in this interview mcrae never talks about his mother.But hey you birthers were forced to play the whole interview at first you guys were only playing it up tpo the part where you assume she says obama was born in kenya then stop it there.If it werent for the courts forcingberg to play her correcting the statement
SupremekaiD5 1 year ago
When will all of you birthers just stop? Really now, you have had your 15 minutes.
amsquare 1 year ago
MANY top experts on documents and digital images state the digital image of the alleged 2007 computer generated Certification of Live Birth (COLB) first posted on the political web site, DailyKos, on July 12, 2008, which was later published on Obama's own "Fight-the-Smears" web site, and then later on FakeCheck, and the alleged underlying document later pictured on these internet sites is a forgery.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9 "Many top experts" ... like Orly Taitz?
mattccurtis 1 year ago 2
@9nunyabiz9 Yes it's a forgery as has no more evidence than a footprint of bigfoot. It's an image put up, verified" by 2 hacks at Factcheck. Unfortunately Zero's birth record was amended in 2006 as admitted by Hawaii DOH. No such amendment is stated on his online "proof" which he won't present in any of 70 + court proceedings over his eligibility.
MsPaulRevere 1 year ago
Obama’s application to the Franciscus Assisi Primary School in Indonesia states he was an Indonesian citizen'
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
No hospital in Honolulu has yet to confirm that Ohblowme was born there. One would think that given that Ohblowme is the first African-American President elected in the U.S., that his birth in any hospital would be an historic event. One would also expect the birth hospital to be boasting about the birth there and naming the wing of the hospital after him.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
I can only imagine what your wife's face looks like when you don't get your way. Or is she already dead?
busymartian 1 year ago
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18JULY2010 - (WHAT A COMPLETE FAILURE! LOL!)The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Sunday shows that 27% of the nation's voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-three percent (43%) Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating of -16.
The president earns an Approval Index rating of -28 among men and -6 among women.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
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The Roberts court has now quietly accepted information concerning discrepancies in Obama's history that raise serious questions about his eligibility for the office of President. The charge goes far beyond the birth certificate issue. This information involves possible fraudulent use of a Social Security number in Connecticut, while Obama was a high school student in Hawaii. And that is only the tip of the iceberg. (The Supreme Court CAN assume primary jurisdiction in D.C. corruption cases.)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
Obama AND Holder are definitely going to prison! Obama has even identified Chief Justice John Roberts as his number one enemy, that is, apart from Fox News and Rush Limbaugh. And it is no accident that the one swing-vote on the court, Justice Anthony Kennedy, stated recently that he has no intention of retiring until 'Obama is gone.'
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
Apparently, the Court has had enough.
The Roberts Court has signaled, in a very subtle manner, of course, that it intends to address the issues about which Obama critics have been screaming to high heaven. A ruling against Obama on any one of these important issues could potentially cripple the Administration.
Such a thing would be long overdue.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
A whistle-blower who resigned from the DOJ is now charging Holder with the deliberate refusal to pursue cases against Blacks, particularly those who are involved in radical hate-groups, such as the New Black Panthers, who have been caught on tape calling for the murder of white people and their babies. Holder should be LYNCHED from the highest tree, that cock sucking Marxist devil!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
The biggest biggie that SHALL send the entire house of cards tumbling in a free-fall is the latest revelation concerning the Obama-Holder Department of Justice and its refusal to pursue the New Black Panther Party. The group is caught on tape committing felonies by attempting to intimidate Caucasian voters into staying away from the polls. Obama and Holder are anti American, anti white Marxist TRAITORS and treasonous bastards!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
In addition, the Court will eventually be forced to rule on the dreadful decision of the Obama DOJ to sue the state of Arizona. That, too, could send the Obama doctrine of open borders to an early grave, given that the Administration refuses to enforce federal law on illegal aliens. FUCK THE TRAITORS CALLED OBAMA and HOLDER UP THE ASS WITH WHITE HOT STEEL!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
So this has nothing to do with qualification and all to do with your personal dislike for President Obama.
You have a right to your own opinion. You don't have a right to your own facts.
busymartian 1 year ago
MANY cases involving criminal activity, conflicts of interest, and pay-for-play cronyism should land many Administration officials, if not the President himself, in hot water with the Supreme Court. Frankly, nothing comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of the Obama Administration, not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate the Obama Administration.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
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busymartin - The Supreme Court HAS defined "natural born Citizen", but you lie and lie and lie and twist and turn to make it SEEM as if they haven't. You and Ohblowme are BOTH fucking trashy scum.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
There are two necessary parts to being a "natural born Citizen" of the USA and thus constitutionally eligible to be the President and Commander of the military. One is being born in the USA. This first part is necessary but not sufficient. The 2nd and very important part is that you MUST be born of parents who are BOTH citizens of the USA when the child is born. Obama has NEITHER parts of these two necessary attributes. Obama is a Usurper and must be removed from office NOW!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
You can vote him out in 2012.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian CAUGHT!!! NOT TRUE! You lie and lie and lie. You're following the standard "mediamatters"/George Soros script, which is composed of nothing but well known lies! XXXX You are FINISHED, I'll out your sorry, lying ass until your fingers bleed!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
How did I lie?
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian NOTHING that you've said is factual! You're scripted and you're SOOO fucking obvious! ALL you paid liars say the same old bullshit over and over and over!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
You keep posting PRATTs (points refuted a thousand times). Same Birther bullshit.
When is your brother going to come and spank me?
busymartian 1 year ago
Not ONE witness with any personal information has come forward to confirm Ohblowme was born in Honolulu - NOT ONE.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
If you're referring to medical personnel, it would be a violation of Federal law under HIPAA to do so.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian YOU are undoubtedly the biggest liar and retarded fool on YouTube. Do you REALLY think that ANYONE believes your feeble minded nonsense? ANYONE? Nigaho, you are INSANE!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
The Minister of Lands in Kenya, James Orengo, on 25 March 2010 during Kenyan National Assembly debate on their new Constitution, declares on the record that Obama "was born here in Kenya" and is not a "native American"!
Another Kenyan Minister, Dr. Bonny Khalwale, stated on the record on 14 April 2010 in the Kenyan National Assembly that Obama should repatriate himself to Kenya.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Since Mr. Orengo has no reason to know where President Obama was born (assuming he is correctly interpreted as saying Obama was born in Kenya), his remark carries no evidentiary weight. The Minister of Lands oversees property and deeds in Kenya, not birth registration.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian Mister James Orengo is a CABINET LEVEL MINISTER, therefore he has FULL ACCESS TO ALL BIRTH DOCUMENTS FOR KENYANS, STUPID!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Actually, in Kenya birth records are open to the public. Which means anyone can get a copy of anyone else's birth certificate.
So the question is, why haven't we seen a real one yet?
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian ALL MEMBERS OF THE PARLIAMENT of the REPUBLIC OF KENYA HAVE ACCESS TO ALL KENYAN GOVERNMENT DOCUMENTS. You can't bullshit people, you just THINK you can, fool.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
Under current law, a born "Citizen of the United States" is one granted that status under the 14th Amendment or Congressional Act (e.g. Title 8 Section 1401), (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
...both of which consider either (1) being born on United States soil or (2) being born to at least one United States citizen parent sufficient conditions for being granted the status of a born "Citizen of the United States." Never in our history has the United States Supreme Court or the Congress ever required that one needs to satisfy both of these conditions in order to be a “citizen of the United States.” But as to a “natural born Citizen,” we have a different story.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
IF (which is VERY DOUBTFUL) Obama was born in Hawaii, he would fall under the Framers’ "citizen of the United States" status as later defined by the Fourteenth Amendment. But being a born "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment in 1961 is not sufficient to establish eligibility under Article II which requires that Obama be a "natural born Citizen."
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
The natural law and "Law of Nations" definition of a “natural born Citizen” is still the law of the land today, (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
....for it was never amended by any constitutional amendment, including the Fourteenth Amendment, or changed by any Act of Congress or any decision of the United States Supreme Court, including United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898). In fact, the United States Supreme Court has to this day used the term “natural born Citizen” only to describe a person born in the country to two U.S. Citizen parents.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9 Wrong! Dude, if you're going to cite case law, you need to read the rulings first.
Go back and read the Wong Kim Ark decision and tell WHERE Justice Gray said that one needed to be born to two citizen parents.
DoubleTalkingJive 9 months ago
Emer de Vattel, The Law of Nations, or Principles of the Laws of Nature, Applied to the Conduct and Affairs of Nations and Sovereigns, bk. 1, c. 19, sec. 212 (original French in 1758 and first English in 1759): Vattel clearly distinguished between “citizens” (“citoyens” in French) and “naturals” (“naturels” in French). His title for Section 212 is “Des citoyens et naturels” (“Of citizens and naturals” which the English translators called "Of the citizens and natives"). (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
....He therefore saw that there is a difference between the two types of citizens. He then explained that difference: “The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or indigenes, are those born in the country of parentS (TWO) who are citizenS (BOTH)”. In the 1797 English edition, the translator replaced the word “indigenes” with (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
...with “natural-born citizens.” Hence, it read: “The citizens are the members of the civil society: bound to this society by certain duties, and subject to its authority, they equally participate in its advantages. The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.” Hence, while the definition of a natural born citizen never changed in Vattel’s texts, the term to express it was changed from “indigenes” to “natural-born citizens.”
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875): “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
....framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parentS (TWO) who were its citizenS (BOTH) became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or NATURAL BORN CITIZEN, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts,(cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
FACT : "Mama Sara" changed her story AFTER someone in the background coached her! Blowbama was born in Mombasa, and even if he hadn't been, he STILL IS NOT a "natural born Citizen", the Supreme Court has never wavered from ONE definition, to wit : "TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS + BORN ON U.S. SOIL (or it's equivalent) = A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289, Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245, Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393, Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S.162 167-68, ETC!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
No. That's not a fact. That's your excuse why she would say he was born in the US.
Mustata v. US Dept. of Justice, 179 F.3d 1017
DeTomaso v. McGinnis, 970 F2d 211
Diaz-Salazar v. INS, 700 F.2d 1156
Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F. Supp. 122
Liacakos v. Kennedy, 195 F. Supp. 630
Nyman v. Erickson, 170 P. 546
State ex rel. Carroll v. Sup. Ct. of Washington, 193 P. 226
(all these cases say two parents are not necessary to be a Natural Born Citizen)
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian The Venus, 12 U.S. (8 Cranch) 253, 289 (1814), Shanks v. Dupont, 28 U.S. 242, 245 (1830), Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), Slaughter-House Cases, 83 U.S. 36, 21 L.Ed. 394, 16 Wall. 36 (1872), Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875), Ex parte Reynolds, 20 F.Cas. 582, 5 Dill. 394, No. 11,719 (C.C.W.D.Ark 1879), Elk v. Wilkins, 112 U.S. 94 (1884), United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890). READ THE CASES and WEEP, YOU PATHOLOGICAL LIAR!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian ...but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is NOT necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parentS (TWO) within the jurisdiction (U.S.soil), are themselves citizens.” Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. Minor did not cite Vattel but as can be seen the Court’s definition of a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” are taken directly out of Vattel’s Section 212.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Sure it says parents, but it does not specify that this is the exclusive case, meaning it doesn't say it doesn't apply to two parents.
In Mustata v. DOJ, "Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States."
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian The ONLY possible way the children could be "natural born Citizens" is if BOTH PARENTS were U.S. Citizens at the time the children were born. BTW, "Mustata" is NOT a Romanian name, it is a Gypsy name. I own two homes in Romania and a winery in Moldova. You're just another illiterate Obamawhoring liar. "TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS + BORN ON U.S. SOIL = NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". No other formula has EVER been recognized by the Supreme Court, the term itself is OVER 2,000 years old!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Hey, are you Orly Taitz?
In Nwankpa v. Kissinger, "The Plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States."
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian AGAIN : The ONLY way the third child became a "natural born Citizen" was because BOTH PARENTS HAS BECOME NATURALIZED U.S. CITIZENS + SHE WAS BORN ON U.S. SOIL, moron! Which law schools did YOU attend? My wife attended Harvard and Babeş-Bolyai University, thus earning two J.D. degrees, I attended Emory, where earned both a J.D. and a MD. specializing in diagnostic radiology.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
No. You attended a correspondence law school. That's why you know so little about law.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian AGAIN : What law schools did YOU attend, mister pathological lying Obamawhore?
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian Under the law, Obama is ABSOLUTELY NOT A "natural born Citizen" and only gullible and illiterate fools believe otherwise! (Since when did Georgia Tech offer correspondence degrees in Human Biology and Nuclear Physics? When did Emory start offering correspondence degrees in law AND medicine? NEVER, you broke ass, uneducated, Obamawhoring pathological liar!)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
You didn't attend those schools, Orly. Just another one of your lies. And just as Judge Land told you before, "Unlike in Alice in Wonderland, simply saying something is so does not make it so."
If two parent citizens were such a big deal, Chester A. Arthur wouldn't have been President, Bobby Jindal wouldn't even be considered as a Presidential candidate, and Congress would have said something long ago on the subject of Obama's candidacy.
Remember "Operation Chaos?"
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian MANY cases involving criminal activity, conflicts of interest, and pay-for-play cronyism could potentially land many Administration officials, if not the President himself, in hot water with the Court. Frankly, nothing comes close to comparing with the rampant corruption of this Administration, not even during the Nixon years. Nixon and the Watergate conspirators look like choirboys compared to the jokers that populate this Administration.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Oh that! Yeah, that's been a part of politics forever. The only thing about this new one with the Dems, is that they didn't do it correctly. You don't offer someone a job that pays NOTHING! What were they thinking? That's just dumb!
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian You're out of facts AGAIN? ROTFLOL! United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
But it doesn't say that it's exclusive does it? It doesn't exclude one parent.
In Nyman v. Erickson, "She was born in a state of the United States, and whether her parents were naturalized or not, under the Constitution she is a natural-born citizen of the United States entitled to the benefits of all the laws of the United States and of the state. "
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian It FULLY EXCLUDES one parent, BOTH PARENTS MUST BE U.S. Citizens to confer "natural born Citizen" status upon a child, moron. Obama II's old drunk, legless from a DWI in which he KILLED two innocent persons dad was BRITISH, he was NEVER a U.S. Citizen, therefore Obama II is AUTOMATICALLY DISQUALIFIED.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Nobody agues that Barack Obama Sr. was never a US citizen. Everyone knows that. But his citizenship does not affect someone else's citizenship that was born on US soil unless he was a diplomat.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian That is BULLSHIT. Where in the HELL did you pick up such a fucking blatant lie?!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian "Diplomat" is IRRELEVANT in this case, your reading comprehension is "0".
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian AGAIN : Obama I was British, it does not matter that the marriage was not legal, Obama II CANNOT POSSIBLY BE A "natural born Citizen" because his sorry alcoholic dad was BRITISH. AGAIN : YOU ARE ATTEMPTING TO APPLY DIPLOMATIC RULES WHERE THEY ARE NOT RELEVANT or APPLICABLE. Ignorance of the law such as yours just ASTOUNDS me! PLUS, you repeat the same old worn out lies over and over and over and over, which does not make them true.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
So since Obama's words trump the British Nationality Act of 1948, you can't use it as a reference.
There's a difference between swearing allegiance to a country and a country offering dual citizenship. Kenyan policy can' affect the rights of an American citizen.
And what does Obama II's drinking problem have to do with his son?
You're a hate filled woman, Orly.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian One more time : Obama I was BRITISH, therefore there is NO WAY that BOTH his parents were U.S. Citizens, thus Obama II CANNOT BE A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN", you retarded fuck! "Swearing allegiance" has NOTHING TO DO WITH A NEWBORN'S BIRTH STATUS. Let me know when you hear a newborn swear ANYTHING. You are SOOO confused and fucked up in the head! I could hold a flashlight to the back of your head and your eyes would glow like headlights!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parentS (TWO) who were its citizenS (BOTH), became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.” Vattel's "Law of Nations" is the ONLY legal definition.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
So Vattel's definition of "Natural Born Citizen" in the Law of Nations was what our Founding Fathers was referring to in the Constitution?
The problem is that you start with a plural (children) and continue with two more plurals (parents) and (citizens). Your assumption is that it only applies to the singular (child) applies with those last two plurals and not singulars.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian The simple fact is that a person is either a "natural born Citizen" at birth by virtue of two Supreme Court affirmed factors, or the child can NEVER become a "natural born Citizen". The two requirements are : (A) Both parents MUST BE U.S. Citizens when the child is born. (B) The child MUST be born on United States soil (or its equivalent). Failure to meet both of these requirements disqualifies a child from EVER attaining "natural born Citizen" status.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
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@9nunyabiz9
What is your source for your qualification list?
And were our Founding Fathers referring to Vattel's definition of "Natural Born Citizen" in the Law of Nations when they wrote the Constitution?
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian Excuse me, but how ancient is the term "natural born Citizen", mister attorney wannabe? When was the term FIRST written and defined? Give me the year and the ORIGINAL AUTHOR of the term.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian Simply put, the term ''natural born Citizen'' has been so common and so well defined for so long that attorneys laugh at fools like you who know nothing whatsoever about the term,.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Then how did Chester A Arthur get into office without the word boo?
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian Your ass is stomped bloody, so on and on and on and on and on you go with you ignorant, irrelevant, and out of context bullshit.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
The reason you curse and throw viscious insults so freely is because you hate Barack Obama and you know you're wrong.
Look up "House Congressional Record June 14th 1967" the case tried to be made that George Romney couldn't be President. The evidence presented shows quite clear that an American born in America to an American mother IS a Natural Born Citizen and enjoys all of its rights, not just some. This includes English and Natural law.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian The reason that you continue to post lie after lie is that you are (A) Mentally ill. (B) Just plain stupid. (C) You are a cheap Obamawhore who cannot comprehend LAW. (D) Your mother raised a fucking moron.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
And you continue to throw baseless insults and profanity. I must be a real threat to you. Facts are like kryptonite when you're faced with having to admit we have a Black President.
The fact is, there are two kinds of citizens: born and naturalized. Naturalized citizens can't be President. Born citizens can.
Maybe you can work the "Obama was born in Kenya" rumor to further your cause. The NBC angle just ain't cutting it.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian ....so chose and a naturalized citizen can be a “citizen of the United States” but cannot be a “natural born Citizen.” Hence, the Amendment only defined the Framers' "citizen of the United States," which status created doubts throughout our history but did not define the Framers’ "natural born Citizen" which never created any doubts as to its meaning and therefore needed no clarification through any constitutional amendment.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian The Supreme Court is THE RULING AUTHORITY, FOOL! The Legislative Branch CANNOT OVERRIDE a Supreme Court DECISION.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
The Supreme Court hasn't ruled on NBC specifically.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian ALL YOU DO IS LIE and LIE and LIE. The Supreme Court HAS ruled on the definition of "natural born Citizen" in SEVERAL CASES. You're nothing but a fucking pathological liar, and/or retarded, your posts PROVE your stupidity beyond any and all reasonable doubt. You could not defend against a parking ticket in a court of law, HELL, you could fuck up a wet dream, you gay ass lying moron.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
The Supreme Court has mentioned and referenced "Natural Born Citizen." However, they've never specifically ruled on its definition.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian AGAIN : MINOR v HAPPERSETT very clearly defines the necessary qualifications. YOU ARE NOT A LAWYER, YOU ARE MERELY A TRASHY ASS LIAR.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian ...by either birth or naturalization in the United States and being “subject to the jurisdiction thereof,” the equal status of a "citizen of the United States." The amendment makes no mention of a “natural born Citizen” and surely would not by implication equate a “citizen of the United States” with a “natural born Citizen” since the Framers in Article II were careful to make a distinction between the two types of citizens and we must give meaning to the words the Framers (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian ...United States” at the time the Constitution was adopted in 1787. Hence, to be eligible to be President, he must be a “natural born Citizen.” But if Obama was born in Hawaii which we know was to a non-U.S. citizen father and U.S. citizen mother, he would be a born "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment but not a "natural born Citizen" under Article II. So even if Obama was born in Hawaii, he would not be eligible to be President under Article II.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian ....but NEVER as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is NOT necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.” Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. The Court’s definition of a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” are taken directly out of Vattel’s Section 212.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
The judge in Minor v Happersett was not expressing doubts about the definition of “natural born citizen” but most precisely about who were citizens at birth prior to the 14th Amendment.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian YOU ARE A GOD DAMNED LIAR. "MINOR v HAPPERSETT" VERY CLEARLY DEFINES "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN", YOU ILLITERATE, LYING BULLSHIITER.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian ....were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parentS (TWO, PLURAL) who were its citizenS (BOTH, PLURAL) became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian You are undoubtedly THE most illiterate Obamasucker on YouTube.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian United States v. Ward, 42 F.320 (C.C.S.D.Cal. 1890) (same definition and cites Vattel); “At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children, born in a country of parentsS (TWO) who were its citizenS (BOTH), became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or NATURAL BORN CITIZENS, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
You added (TWO) and (BOTH). These are personal assumptions.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian When words are PLURAL and I add (TWO) and (BOTH) it is so that fools like you will not misinterpret the ruling of the court, IT WAS NOT "PERSONAL ASSUMPTIONS", YOU FUCKING RETARDED LIAR!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Misinterpret the Court? You are not the Court.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian ....they allowed persons who were "citizens of the United States" to be President, provided that they had that status as of the time the Constitution was adopted which we know was 1787. If a child did not have that status at that time, the Framers required that a would-be President be a "natural born Citizen." There is no denying from a simple reading of its text that the Fourteenth Amendment only grants to individuals, who can acquire (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian (EXCUSE ME, BUT THE LAW APPLIES EQUALLY TO ALL RACES, YOU MOUTH FULL OF STEAMING BULLSHIT FOOL!) : Even if Blownama were born in the United States, at most he is a Fourteenth Amendment born "citizen of the United States" but not an Article II "natural born Citizen." At the time the Framers adopted the Constitution, (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian IF, indeed, Obama was born in Hawaii, he would fall under the Framers’ "citizen of the United States" status as later defined by the Fourteenth Amendment. But being a born "citizen of the United States" under the Fourteenth Amendment in 1961 is not sufficient to establish eligibility under Article II which now requires that Obama be a "natural born Citizen." There is also no denying that being born in 1961, Obama was not a “citizen of the (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
You're trying to float the notion there are three categories of citizenship. But there are only two: Natural Born and Naturalized.
Black’s Law Dictionary defines “native” as “a natural-born subject or citizen by birth; one who owes his domicile or citizenship to the fact of his birth within the country referred to.”
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian ...but NEVER as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is NOT necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.” Id., 169 U.S. at 679-80. The Court’s definition of a “citizen” and a “natural born Citizen” are taken directly out of Vattel’s Section 212.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Have you ever read "Law of Nations?" The first edition to contain the words "Natural Born Citizen" (the matter at hand) didn't come out until ten years AFTER the Constitution was written.
And if you've read LON, you'd know De Vattel is flexible about citizenship for situations outside the parents, birth place and law all coinciding.
LON is not a codification of international law, or a dictionary of legal terms. It is a book about natural law and how it applies to governments.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian (Clarification of the ruling by stating "TWO, PLURAL", and "BOTH, PLURAL" have been added for the edification of illiterate liars such as "busymartian", who cannot seem to grasp that PLURAL always means "more than one") : Minor v. Happersett, 88 U.S. 162, 167-68 (1875): “The Constitution does not in words say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution (cont'd)
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian The words "parents" and "citizens" end in the letter "s", thus showing that the court CLEARLY meant that they were PLURAL, as in (TWO) and (BOTH), simple clarifications which were added so that you would not attempt to lie your way around the terms. Those are NOT "personal assumptions", they are simple English, you extremely illiterate and simple minded fool. BTW, The more you post, it becomes very clear that you do not have even one small clue about anything and YOU ARE A LIAR.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
It's an extensive and scholarly treatment of the history and the cases related to the term “natural born citizen”. It was written in the context of a possible candidacy of Governor George Romney (born in Mexico) for president.
It clearly illustrates that someone born in the US is a Natural Born Citizen.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian
I'm referring to a1967 essay entitled “Natural Born Citizen,” by the Hon. Pinckney G. McElwee of the Bar of the District of Columbia, was entered into the Congressional Record.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian The "Congressional Record" also contains recipes, does that mean that those recipes are now laws? YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
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@9nunyabiz9 The Hon. Pinckney G. McElwee of the Bar of the District of Columbia didn't write a recipe. He addressed the issue of "Natural Born Citizen's" meaning. It was never specifically defined by the Supreme Court.
Minor v Happersett didn't exclude a citizen being born to one citizen parent. Otherwise, it would use the word exclude or something to that fashion.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian The simple act of being born in the USA is NOT LEGALLY SUFFICIENT to QUALIFY A PERSON AS A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". Being born here to ONE U.S. Citizen parent or TWO ALIEN parents makes a person a "born Citizen of the USA". ONLY A PERSON BORN ON U.S. SOIL TO TWO U.S. CITIZEN PARENTS IS A "NATURAL BORN CITIZEN". I AM LICENSED TO PRACTICE LAW, YOU ARE A VERY OBVIOUS LIAR. EITHER STOP EXPRESSING LEGAL OPINIONS HERE, OR EXPECT TO BE PROSECUTED, IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT "ADVICE" IS FREE.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
In the case of Lynch v Clarke (N. Y.) 1 Sandf. Ch. 583 Assistant Vice Chancellor Sandford said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the limits and allegiance of the United States whatever the situation of his parents was a natural born citizen and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession In re Look Tin Sing (U. S.) 21 Fed. 905, 909.
Please tell me who exactly I'm advising. If you want to prosecute me, bring it on, baby!
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian I've whipped your ass with Supreme Court decisions and you come back with an inferior court's ruling? You ARE retarded!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
You added your own spin to a Supreme Court case that didn't rule out Obama's situation.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian I added no "spin", I simply CLARIFIED the FACT that the Supreme Court stated PLURAL in the case of parentage AND Citizenship are REQUIREMENTS, NOT options. JUST DAMN! You make a brass door knob look intelligent!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian Don't worry, one person from one of Reverend Wright's videos is in jail in Georgia for practicing law without a license right now, and because he's from out of state, he will not be allowed to post bond! My brother is the prosecutor, PUNK!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Having a different viewpoint is not practicing law. Tell your brother to prosecute me for practicing my freedom of speech. You will never silence me.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian When you cite cases and make assertions concerning laws, you ARE practicing law without a license. My brother is the chief district attorney here and he WILL burn your ass for "playing lawyer", moron.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
I'll be waiting for your brother's call.
busymartian 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
The term natural born citizen of the United States means all persons born in the allegiance of the United States. United States v Rhodes (U. S.) 27 Fed. Cas. 785, 789. The natural born subjects of a monarch comprise all persons born in the allegiance of the King United States v Rhodes (U. S.) 27 Fed. Cas. 785, 789.
Tell me how Chester A. Arthur became President with only one citizen parent at his birth.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian When the United States Marshals arrive to transport your insane ass to Georgia, you'd better "man up" and be ready to sit there for at least a year awaiting trial, you mentally fucked up liar.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
Having a political discussion is perfectly legal.
busymartian 1 year ago
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@busymartian When the United States Marshals arrive to transport your insane ass to Georgia, you'd better "man up" and be ready to sit there for at least a year awaiting trial, you mentally fucked up liar.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian The cases that you continue to cite are ERRONEOUS, IRRELEVANT, and INFERIOR TO ALL UNITED STATES SUPREME COURT RULINGS. You are truly insane!
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@busymartian The Kenyan Ambassador to the United States, Peter N.R.O. Ogego, confirmed on November 6, 2008, during a radio interview with Detroit radio talk-show hosts Mike Clark, Trudi Daniels, and Marc Fellhauer on WRIF's "Mike In the Morning," that "President-Elect Obama" was born in Kenya and that his birth place was already a "well-known" attraction.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
This is clearly a misinterpretation, since the “well-known attraction” is the village of Kogello, not the Coast Hospital in Mombasa. The Ambassador’s assistant, the next day, said that the Ambassador was misunderstood, and that the Ambassador had no way of knowing where Obama was born. This theme will re-occur I suspect. The testimony of someone who has no reason to know something carries no weight.
busymartian 1 year ago
@busymartian So the more than twenty five members of The Parliament of The Republic of Kenya who have stated that "Ohblowme was born here" are liars? Nice try, moron.
9nunyabiz9 1 year ago
@9nunyabiz9
His Dad was born there, and guess what his name was? The testimony of 25 people who have no reason to know something carries no weight either.
busymartian 1 year ago