on Richard Dawkins in the Middle East, Palestine

[halflifeproductionz]

the violence in mexico over drugs is much worse than this religious nonsense in israel/palestine.

[Mikey684]

There was not only an uproar internationally but within Israel itself, furious about the incident. Israeli parliament was aghast at the carnage that took place and actually dismissed Ariel Sharon from his post not for committing the massacre but for not having his troops take action to defend the enemy he had just defeated.

[valiantknight69]

well, the Geneva convention (that Israel signed and ratified) says that Occupiers (i.e Israel) are responsible for civillians' safety (not any militant enemy).

As for the "uproar" that arose...

- Israeli Parliament found Sharon RESPONSIBLE and DID NOTHING to punish him (left him in Parliament to later become PM)

- the Phallange leader (who also went on protected by the Israelis) agreed to testify against Sharon 20 years later, and was mysteriously car-bombed days later

[Mikey684]

There were many people who wanted him dead for an array of reasons. Once he came public about his role, he became a target for revenge throughout the country. Not to say Israel may not have had it's reasons for wanting him dead but there's many other candidates as well and there was no evidence as to who did it, so speculation isn't a viable enough means to point the blame directly at Israel.

Again, you spread hateful propaganda under the guise of reason

[Mikey684]

Ariel Sharon was removed from his post of Defense minister and nearly served jail time so I dont see how that's not a punishment.

And Elie Hobeika, the Phallange leader was a guerilla warlord for the Labanese Christian Milita.

[valiantknight69]

When a government finds someone responsbile for a warcrime in which 2000+ ppl died, I don't really consider keeping a cushy seat in Parliament punishment...

Second, you're right about who Hobeikia was. He was also Sharon's closest ally in Lebanon. And in 1983, Israel directed all intl. blame towards Hobeika, clearing up any ambiguities about his involvement. The Arabs always knew of his part in the massacre. The fact is, Sharon gained the most benefit from his death. AND THIS ISN'T PROPAGANDA

[Mikey684]

Saying that Ariel Sharon committed a mass slaughter as you do in the video as a reason for why the Muslims were mad, and if I hadnt called you out on it you would have let that skewed fabrication be, IS PROPAGANDA

Insinuating that Hobeikia was certainly killed by Israel and that they signed the geneva convention is propaganda.

Deleting posts where I counter your deception is...

It's contortion of the truth in order to sway others towards your own biases. That is by definition propaganda

[Mikey684]

Self denial of it only makes you feel better, it doesnt change the truth

[Mikey684]

Ariel Sharon stood idle, not wanting to fight any longer and that is why he was discharged. Had he fought he would have had to hold back hordes of blood thirsty Lebanese Christians seeking justified revenge. It's fools like yourself that perpetuate the unnecessary hatred.

[freddyscot]

sorry I dont agree with you re. Dawkins. How ever I think that any one who studys the history of Palestine in the last 100 years cannot fail to side with the Palestinians, they have been shockingly treated by all concerned. They must feel powerless and unable to get justice for their people, deserted even by their fellow Arabs.

I actually feel they have been quite restrained. However this does not detract from the fact, that ALL religions are positive forces for evil.

[freddyscot]

Jews know that they are right

Muslims know that they are right

Buddists know that they are right

Christians ect ect ect Hindu's ect ect

What a load of crap ALL religions are

[valiantknight69]

i know how unbelievably difficult it is to separate the topic of religion from Dawkins, but this is not about religious content. this is about his political bias and inaccuracy that came as a sidenote to his bigger picture

[greycloud24]

i don't think dawkins really cares about any specific details. the point is that religious dogma gets people to do things they would not otherwise do. islam has a religious dogma so islam is dangerous. all religious dogma is dangerous.

[bou182]

This guy missed the point completely! Its not about who's right or wrong in Jerusalem. What Dawkins is trying to say is that all of this is caused by their dogmatic religions!! I get the feeling this guy is in favour of the muslims.

[dechha1981]

He's also got another docuimentary series where he debunks all kinds of messy thinking, mostly "Alturnative Medicine".

[dechha1981]

I think the main message of Dawkin's documentaries as well as "The God Delusion" that Religion IN GENERAL is evil. It is eroneous to assume an Atheist is necesarily taking sides when criticizing a paticular religion, just as it is eroneious to assume a cop is picking on a criminal because he's black, when in fact that same cop also arrests white and Asian criminals who commit the same crimes.

[Reseda1994]

I see your point 100% and your right on most of your views and opinions. Science is the best thing that could've happened for humanity. It tells all types of things like why the sky is blue. It isn't some sort of myth but it's the sun-rays bouncing of the water back into the sky. You wouldn't imagine how many people don't know that. I would like to converse with you on other matters. Love, Peace, and Hairgrease!!!!!

[greycloud24]

as light passes through ozone (3 bound atoms of oxygen) it refracts the light to the color of blue. the ocean is blue because of the color of the sky, not vice versa.

[Reseda1994]

So when the sun goes down the sky remains blue? So when the moonlight hits the ocean the sky still remains blue?

[greycloud24]

if white light passes through ozone the light becomes blue. so when the moonlight passes through the sky it does become blue. unfortunately we do not see it as blue because the light is so pale that it strikes our rods and not our cones and our vision becomes black and white. please study on how your vision works with rods and cones to understand why this occurs.

[Reseda1994]

I will and get back to ya.

[jhca78]

Who cares? Jewish religious nuttiness doesn't excuse Muslim religious nuttiness. Most Muslims have become idolaters, worshiping rocks, buildings, and each other.

[biosid]

Sorry, bro. You are missing Dawkins real point. His point is that all this bloodshed and hate occurs because different groups of people are caught up in different brands of ancient nonsense.

[humhum26]

good job bro.

[AnasAttia]

I agree