i posted on another vid about the same thing. i have never seen a litter of them before, however all boxers have a 13% chance to be deaf or blind but that changes from bloodlines. a white boxer is any boxer with over 1/3 their bodies white, AKC does not consider them standard however, the correlation of white to brown or black has nothing to do with their chances of being deaf. they are not albinos and do not lack pigment. we have bread boxers for over 45 yrs never had a deaf or blind.
its due to the Danes i think that many associate the white with deafness and blindness. that and that AKC only now allows you to register litters with whites but still do not allow them in shows. they are allowed in agility training but, their reasoning is that they are not standard. until recently many mainstream breeders would actually kill whites so they could register the litters it is an appalling practice.
The puppies are adorable. I don't agree with breeding a white boxer. If your not breeding to better the breed then your breeding for a buck. Adoption and rescue people.
White Boxers are great pets...but from a breeding standpoint your not supose to breed them even though one of the first boxers bred was from an all white bulldog.
AKC recognizes only brindle or fawn with no more than 1/3 white markings. I Love all boxers <3 I just cant stand it when people say they are rare :/ They happen . I hada friend who bred 2 brindles and ended up with 2 moslty white and 1 completely white boxers.
thanks for not freezing the bunch , which most breeders use to do secretly and lie about only having two puppies come out ,just like mr. craby patty is saying in the backround,"we gotta keep this a big secret!". There so cute,those squeezable freezables!.Are any deaf?.It happens,but they learn sign very well!Keep the tails on!
thanks for not freezing the bunch , which most breeder use to do secretly and lie about only having two puppies come out ,just like mr. craby patty is saying in the backround,"we gotta keep this a big secret!".
when white boxerz get older they get cute black sun spots i luv my puppy (4 yrs so puppy to me) chico hes is sooo good and the most playful dog evr white boxerz are the cutest to me and cute video
when white boxerz get older they get cute black sun spots i luv my puppy (4 yrs so puppy to me) chico hes is sooo good and the most playful dog evr white boxerz are the cutest to me i cant believe in the older days they were killed :(
I hope to God you didn't breed a white boxer to get all of these white puppies. The chances of these puppies being deaf and blind is so high it's not even funny, that is just cruel. This is severely frowned upon, as well as well-known information to anyone I have ever spoken to.
Our fawn had a white which most everyone wanted, we kept her for ourselves, Sugar is now 10 months old, docked, and and clipped and has perfect vision and is not deaf. Oh by the way, last time I checked the history of breading is based off of what people want in an animal wether it be white, fawn, brindle, short, tall, you name it. White boxers are here to stay. So do us a favor and discontinue your ignorance (washington).
@pgirl900 they are so cute our fella is about 6 now and he is not deaf , does have hypothyroidism though, but he is on medication for that and it doesn't stop him from doing anything, its hard to keep him looking clean!
All white dogs can have deafness or blindness.White boxer can be as good as any other type of boxer.You can register them with akc too.I own a female,and she had a litter with 4 white one,Only one had any problems,he deaf.And he sold for 600.00 dollars.That was more than the flashy fawns.There are people out there that want them bad!!!!
Cute is cute, but don't breed inferior dogs just to satisfy someone's desires. It'd be pretty shitty to be born for looks when you can't even function normally. It's selfish and it shouldn't even be happening.
i've read that deafness is between 12-18% rate. I have a 4.5 y/o ALL white boxer w/ a black nose. Perfectly healthy w/ perfect vision and hearing. BUT, i wouldn't breed him (he's nuetered anyway) becuase it's truely a defect that makes them white. It's a double recessive gene that gives them the lack of pigment in their hair. I love my boxer and have 2 other brindles too and i don't care what the AKC says but it's true you shouldn't breed them, your fucking up b/c other ppl think they're cute!
Please Ignore the whole"dog Hitler gene/color nonsense"posted here and don't get brainwashed. White Boxers are beautiful and are no different than any Boxer. As more time goes by, there are more and more facts that are discovered about amazing white Boxers. Many stories about white boxers have been declared just that, stories. Urban legend if you will. Bottom line is that all dogs are amazing beings.
@06praline can someone enlighten me with some knowledge about this whole white boxer thing cuz some girls was like theres no such thing as white boxers etc. whats the urban legend?
ps- it's a 2% chance of deafness in ALBINO boxers. White colored boxers have the same chance of deafness as any other colored boxers. Get an education before you go spouting off your mouth.
My BELOVED white boxer was the only one in a wonderful litter of beautiful pure bred pups. It is shameful, SHAMEFUL for bdelfine or anyone else to assume we don't love our dogs or care about their good breeding. Shame on you to only care about a "breed" and not the lives of beautiful, loveable, perfect animals- no matter what the color. It's embarrassing to even read your posts.
Hey i have 2 boxer dogs 1 white and 1 red brindal and the white one is as mad as a hater! good luck controlling them!!! they are loverly. dont worry what people say i think white boxers are the best. they act like a boxer should and my white dog has not had any thing wrong with her so they dont always get ill. XX
all of you shut the fuck up...by just having a pure bred you are enabling the degeneration of breeds..the more and more you brred the smaller and smaller the boxer gene pool get...leave this breeder alone you bunch of hyprocrites!
How many of these puppies are in "forever" homes, how many are already dead or surrendered to shelters????? It's 4 o'clock, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PUPPIES ARE???????? AND THAT DISGUSTING LIP SUCKING NOISE YOU MAKE! HOW MUCH MONEY DID THAT LITTER BRING YOU?????? YOU ARE GROSS!
my response is that every one of them are in forever homes...We had one litter because our family and friends all wanted a white boxer...I have both parents, dad is deaf...and two puppies were born deaf...now let me tell you that I have 3 white boxers and 2 are deaf....We had one of the healthiest litters ever seen...deafness is nothing to shy away from they are wonderful...loved and our boxers are companions not show dogs! you my friend are an idiot
It's OBVIOUS that people like you are ONLY trying to LINE YOUR POCKETS WITH CASH! If you cared about the breed, you'd study up on it..........do you show your dogs? If not........You're a BACKYARD BREEDER OR A PUPPY MILL, BOTH EQUALLY HEINOUS!
You can "register" and "breed" white Boxers with the AKC, but RESPONSIBLE Boxer Breeders breed to improve the breed, not up the percentage of defects, with a current 18% chance of DEAFNESS in WHITE BOXERS you are WEAKENING the breed..........ugh......breeding is supposed ot be done to STRENGTHEN THE BREED. Backyard breeders, (those who breed white boxers) are MORONS!
Just keep weakening the breed and sending more to rescues like mine.........backyard breeders like you will continue to fill kill shelters. Yes, they are loveable, but they are not a dog that should be bred.........you ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BREED TO STRENGTHEN THE BREED, NOT MAKE IT WEAK AND DEAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET REAL AND READ UP ON THE SUBJECT...........
All of you need to get your facts straight - White boxers SHOULD NOT be bred because they have a higher chance of deafness. Breeding white boxers is VERY irresponsible.
i do have my facts straight they can breed may not be reconized by akc but they only have 18% more chance but if purebreed thats lower ive been breeding boxers for 15yrs fawn brindle and white (not albino)
Very cute puppies. I don't understand how you got an entire litter of white ones though, as stated above, white boxers should not be bred as they have a tendency to be deaf, I think it's 18% of white boxers, it weakens the breed.
if you breed a white bitch with a white male the litter will be entirely white.......deafness in white boxers is anywhere up to 25%,i personally prefer the White Boxer as i believe it to be the purest Boxer going back to when it was first bred,it was WHITE...Breeders who euthanise white boxer pups at birth do so out of greed because they cannot sell them at same price as brindle/red due to misconceptions about the "pureness" of them..,they are the real deal and brindle/red and brown are hybrids.
this is a myth of the AKC they are not prone to be deaf or suseptible to health problems.. the reason they are white is a ressessive gene like blonde hair they are exactly the same as all other boxers! The flash brindle or fawn is necessary to have this white gene no amount of non-breeding agreements will prevent an all white boxer sorry to break it to ya....
Many, if not most of us boxer lovers don't care if the AKC won't register our white boxers. Being registered doesn't make them a better dog or make us love them more. That said, what freakin cute pups. I adopted my first white boxer when she was 3.5, so I never got to experience her puppiness (my previous boxers boys were all flashy fawn and lived long healthy , happy lives). Thank you for sharing your pups. I could almost smell their puppy breath.
white boxer are nice but akc is going to stop registering them in the next 5 or 10 yrs because they are getting to much white in the breed to show.BUT they are cute
I have a white boxer and I LOVE her. Don't let people make you think you should not breed them, they are perfectly healthy as long as they are not albino. They are precious!!
Are you an idiot? Read up on breeding dogs, you backyard breeding mentality people make me sick. You should only breed a dog, (the reason for showing), to improve the breed. White Boxers are cute and loveable, but not genetically desirable for breeding......get an educations!
i got a white boxer
BooMandBoNe 3 months ago
i posted on another vid about the same thing. i have never seen a litter of them before, however all boxers have a 13% chance to be deaf or blind but that changes from bloodlines. a white boxer is any boxer with over 1/3 their bodies white, AKC does not consider them standard however, the correlation of white to brown or black has nothing to do with their chances of being deaf. they are not albinos and do not lack pigment. we have bread boxers for over 45 yrs never had a deaf or blind.
gourley197 4 months ago
its due to the Danes i think that many associate the white with deafness and blindness. that and that AKC only now allows you to register litters with whites but still do not allow them in shows. they are allowed in agility training but, their reasoning is that they are not standard. until recently many mainstream breeders would actually kill whites so they could register the litters it is an appalling practice.
gourley197 4 months ago
We also have a white boxer he is 7 yrs old..not deaf...not blind... AMAZING, LOVING pet.... greatest dog we have ever had
jimandtiff 6 months ago
We have two white boxers, they are beautiful dogs! No extra health problems as people mistakenly believe!
ourboxergirls 6 months ago
is that blood on the ground?
LDA519599 6 months ago
@LDA519599 No, it took a pee and then stepped in it.
frypod18 2 months ago
first boxer created was a whiye one, fact! just the breeders that don't like them.
tombraider78 7 months ago
What the fuck are you doing with your lips constantly?
conmancleall0 7 months ago
Spongebob?
TheMostExtremeStuff 9 months ago
So sweet!!!! My white boxer is 5 yrs old now. They're the cutest puppies ever!
tiffanymaloney1 9 months ago
i'd have to keep all of them
joplin49b 9 months ago
Adorable, fat, happy pups! Love 'em.
jablonskimary 10 months ago
The puppies are adorable. I don't agree with breeding a white boxer. If your not breeding to better the breed then your breeding for a buck. Adoption and rescue people.
ElderWillowMoon 10 months ago
the different health issues of a white boxer puppy is a myth
they're health issues are exactly the same as fawns or brindles.
Devin93H 10 months ago
How did you get all white ones?
emanubano 11 months ago
cyuuuuuute
kristahardwire 11 months ago
The only thing cuter than a boxer puppy, is a white boxer puppy!!! Cuteness overload!!!
AingealDubh 1 year ago
I would LOVE a puppy from one of your litters!!
Where are you located and how much do you ask for your puppies?
MorgansMommy112011 1 year ago
White Boxers are great pets...but from a breeding standpoint your not supose to breed them even though one of the first boxers bred was from an all white bulldog.
AKC recognizes only brindle or fawn with no more than 1/3 white markings. I Love all boxers <3 I just cant stand it when people say they are rare :/ They happen . I hada friend who bred 2 brindles and ended up with 2 moslty white and 1 completely white boxers.
hoizixbabe 1 year ago
I have my second white boxer the first was not deaf, but this one is , sssssssssssoooooo sweet.
oldred11 1 year ago
wtf is that noise
AtecStarz2 1 year ago 3
thanks for not freezing the bunch , which most breeders use to do secretly and lie about only having two puppies come out ,just like mr. craby patty is saying in the backround,"we gotta keep this a big secret!". There so cute,those squeezable freezables!.Are any deaf?.It happens,but they learn sign very well!Keep the tails on!
luvumo2day 1 year ago
thanks for not freezing the bunch , which most breeder use to do secretly and lie about only having two puppies come out ,just like mr. craby patty is saying in the backround,"we gotta keep this a big secret!".
luvumo2day 1 year ago
SPONGEBOB!
herbienbrian 1 year ago
when white boxerz get older they get cute black sun spots i luv my puppy (4 yrs so puppy to me) chico hes is sooo good and the most playful dog evr white boxerz are the cutest to me and cute video
runningirl9521 1 year ago
when white boxerz get older they get cute black sun spots i luv my puppy (4 yrs so puppy to me) chico hes is sooo good and the most playful dog evr white boxerz are the cutest to me i cant believe in the older days they were killed :(
runningirl9521 1 year ago
i want one omg i have a brown boxer but i would love to have a white one please send me a message if u are seling them or if you know who does thanks
realla323 1 year ago
soooo cute we had three in our last 2 litters but they were all deaf. Can these one hear?
wygocks 1 year ago
I hope to God you didn't breed a white boxer to get all of these white puppies. The chances of these puppies being deaf and blind is so high it's not even funny, that is just cruel. This is severely frowned upon, as well as well-known information to anyone I have ever spoken to.
ISUBoxer 1 year ago
Our fawn had a white which most everyone wanted, we kept her for ourselves, Sugar is now 10 months old, docked, and and clipped and has perfect vision and is not deaf. Oh by the way, last time I checked the history of breading is based off of what people want in an animal wether it be white, fawn, brindle, short, tall, you name it. White boxers are here to stay. So do us a favor and discontinue your ignorance (washington).
manning2g09 1 year ago
i love how they r watching spongebob :)
BlaCkRoSe10100 1 year ago
aaaaw! they can bareley walk this is an awesome litter i must say!
MJshannonargent 1 year ago
che teneri!!! sembra quello che c'è sotto casa che dolci !! :( lo voglio uno!!!
roby46thedoctor 1 year ago
gorgeous i have a white boxer ,such a lovely pet
pocketsofsweets 1 year ago 9
@pocketsofsweets yes white boxers are great i have a male 5months
joplin49b 1 year ago
@pocketsofsweets We are getting a white boxer puppy in 2 months - Yay!!!
pgirl900 1 year ago
@pgirl900 they are so cute our fella is about 6 now and he is not deaf , does have hypothyroidism though, but he is on medication for that and it doesn't stop him from doing anything, its hard to keep him looking clean!
pocketsofsweets 1 year ago
@pocketsofsweets mine is seven and is partially deaf!
Izzyluvsdogs 1 year ago
@pocketsofsweets me too!
Izzyluvsdogs 1 year ago
i love your pups ive had 2 white boxers (sisters) n we had a litter 2 white in the bunch 1 deaf. how many of your were deaf? sounds like none of em
JamConch5 1 year ago
@JamConch5 both my whities are deaf
PsychoOfGrime 1 year ago
All white dogs can have deafness or blindness.White boxer can be as good as any other type of boxer.You can register them with akc too.I own a female,and she had a litter with 4 white one,Only one had any problems,he deaf.And he sold for 600.00 dollars.That was more than the flashy fawns.There are people out there that want them bad!!!!
johnboyninteen65 2 years ago 2
Cute is cute, but don't breed inferior dogs just to satisfy someone's desires. It'd be pretty shitty to be born for looks when you can't even function normally. It's selfish and it shouldn't even be happening.
JorshWarshington 2 years ago
@JorshWarshington guess we should get rid of the majority of canines on Earth then right?
manning2g09 1 year ago
I love how some are all white with just the brown patch over their eye. Too cute!
DawnysDoggies 2 years ago
i've read that deafness is between 12-18% rate. I have a 4.5 y/o ALL white boxer w/ a black nose. Perfectly healthy w/ perfect vision and hearing. BUT, i wouldn't breed him (he's nuetered anyway) becuase it's truely a defect that makes them white. It's a double recessive gene that gives them the lack of pigment in their hair. I love my boxer and have 2 other brindles too and i don't care what the AKC says but it's true you shouldn't breed them, your fucking up b/c other ppl think they're cute!
ljshoreslokal 2 years ago
omg i want one, they are sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo cute!!!
kirstenandstuart 2 years ago
Please Ignore the whole"dog Hitler gene/color nonsense"posted here and don't get brainwashed. White Boxers are beautiful and are no different than any Boxer. As more time goes by, there are more and more facts that are discovered about amazing white Boxers. Many stories about white boxers have been declared just that, stories. Urban legend if you will. Bottom line is that all dogs are amazing beings.
06praline 2 years ago 16
@06praline thankyou i have a white boxer and she is so sweet!
Izzyluvsdogs 1 year ago
@06praline We have 2 of them and they have such personalities!!! They will be getting their own breed soon. They are such sweet dogs
emanubano 11 months ago
@emanubano Have you ever had sex with them?
kimmois1 11 months ago
@06praline can someone enlighten me with some knowledge about this whole white boxer thing cuz some girls was like theres no such thing as white boxers etc. whats the urban legend?
818Kushism 5 months ago
ps- it's a 2% chance of deafness in ALBINO boxers. White colored boxers have the same chance of deafness as any other colored boxers. Get an education before you go spouting off your mouth.
shancorp 2 years ago
My BELOVED white boxer was the only one in a wonderful litter of beautiful pure bred pups. It is shameful, SHAMEFUL for bdelfine or anyone else to assume we don't love our dogs or care about their good breeding. Shame on you to only care about a "breed" and not the lives of beautiful, loveable, perfect animals- no matter what the color. It's embarrassing to even read your posts.
shancorp 2 years ago
Hey i have 2 boxer dogs 1 white and 1 red brindal and the white one is as mad as a hater! good luck controlling them!!! they are loverly. dont worry what people say i think white boxers are the best. they act like a boxer should and my white dog has not had any thing wrong with her so they dont always get ill. XX
jfogj 2 years ago
all of you shut the fuck up...by just having a pure bred you are enabling the degeneration of breeds..the more and more you brred the smaller and smaller the boxer gene pool get...leave this breeder alone you bunch of hyprocrites!
blackestsecrets 2 years ago
whit boxer are prone to sickness . what are you doing this?? cant be breading white boxers!!!
ENS350z 2 years ago
How many of these puppies are in "forever" homes, how many are already dead or surrendered to shelters????? It's 4 o'clock, DO YOU KNOW WHERE YOUR PUPPIES ARE???????? AND THAT DISGUSTING LIP SUCKING NOISE YOU MAKE! HOW MUCH MONEY DID THAT LITTER BRING YOU?????? YOU ARE GROSS!
bdelfine 2 years ago
Shut the fuck up, your like a fucking parrot. You just say the same shit over and over.
Skep155 2 years ago
my response is that every one of them are in forever homes...We had one litter because our family and friends all wanted a white boxer...I have both parents, dad is deaf...and two puppies were born deaf...now let me tell you that I have 3 white boxers and 2 are deaf....We had one of the healthiest litters ever seen...deafness is nothing to shy away from they are wonderful...loved and our boxers are companions not show dogs! you my friend are an idiot
iluv3soccer 2 years ago
I know where everyone of them are thank you I get pictures all the time and we do many play dates! kisses
iluv3soccer 2 years ago
It's OBVIOUS that people like you are ONLY trying to LINE YOUR POCKETS WITH CASH! If you cared about the breed, you'd study up on it..........do you show your dogs? If not........You're a BACKYARD BREEDER OR A PUPPY MILL, BOTH EQUALLY HEINOUS!
bdelfine 2 years ago
loosen up
quickhitter1990 2 years ago
You can "register" and "breed" white Boxers with the AKC, but RESPONSIBLE Boxer Breeders breed to improve the breed, not up the percentage of defects, with a current 18% chance of DEAFNESS in WHITE BOXERS you are WEAKENING the breed..........ugh......breeding is supposed ot be done to STRENGTHEN THE BREED. Backyard breeders, (those who breed white boxers) are MORONS!
bdelfine 2 years ago
Just keep weakening the breed and sending more to rescues like mine.........backyard breeders like you will continue to fill kill shelters. Yes, they are loveable, but they are not a dog that should be bred.........you ARE ONLY SUPPOSED TO BREED TO STRENGTHEN THE BREED, NOT MAKE IT WEAK AND DEAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GET REAL AND READ UP ON THE SUBJECT...........
bdelfine 2 years ago
cute vid but PLEASE STOP WITH THE KISSEY NOISES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
XxXBlAmECaNaDaXxX 2 years ago
thats total bullshit they can be breed they have only slighty more promblems than fawn or brindle
freakcs 2 years ago
All of you need to get your facts straight - White boxers SHOULD NOT be bred because they have a higher chance of deafness. Breeding white boxers is VERY irresponsible.
ehayes21 2 years ago 2
i do have my facts straight they can breed may not be reconized by akc but they only have 18% more chance but if purebreed thats lower ive been breeding boxers for 15yrs fawn brindle and white (not albino)
freakcs 2 years ago
Very cute puppies. I don't understand how you got an entire litter of white ones though, as stated above, white boxers should not be bred as they have a tendency to be deaf, I think it's 18% of white boxers, it weakens the breed.
bdelfine 2 years ago
if you breed a white bitch with a white male the litter will be entirely white.......deafness in white boxers is anywhere up to 25%,i personally prefer the White Boxer as i believe it to be the purest Boxer going back to when it was first bred,it was WHITE...Breeders who euthanise white boxer pups at birth do so out of greed because they cannot sell them at same price as brindle/red due to misconceptions about the "pureness" of them..,they are the real deal and brindle/red and brown are hybrids.
danchang71 2 years ago
amen to that they also say white boxers have a shorter life span mine is nearly 13
LAITH316 2 years ago
It's nice to see that you could breed them but the AKC will not registar them will they?
slmjacklin 2 years ago
i assume AKC means american kennel club if so i couldent tell you but i know the british kennel club u can register white boxers
LAITH316 2 years ago
its 18%
freakcs 2 years ago 2
this is a myth of the AKC they are not prone to be deaf or suseptible to health problems.. the reason they are white is a ressessive gene like blonde hair they are exactly the same as all other boxers! The flash brindle or fawn is necessary to have this white gene no amount of non-breeding agreements will prevent an all white boxer sorry to break it to ya....
slmjacklin 2 years ago
porkxer
porking boxer
they squealing
TheDawg412 3 years ago
they're fat lol
taytay9966 3 years ago
Look at their lil fat paws! I am a proud dad of a white boxer!
cpsmithies 3 years ago
cute puppies and i love the spongebob episode when they almost kil the health inspector lol
hunterc05 3 years ago
Many, if not most of us boxer lovers don't care if the AKC won't register our white boxers. Being registered doesn't make them a better dog or make us love them more. That said, what freakin cute pups. I adopted my first white boxer when she was 3.5, so I never got to experience her puppiness (my previous boxers boys were all flashy fawn and lived long healthy , happy lives). Thank you for sharing your pups. I could almost smell their puppy breath.
jestdi 3 years ago
omg! they are so cute!
jbrocksfan11 3 years ago
white boxer are nice but akc is going to stop registering them in the next 5 or 10 yrs because they are getting to much white in the breed to show.BUT they are cute
jaypee1965 3 years ago
The AKC is a Nazi Regime and non-breeding agreements don't work! White boxers are the product of Brindle and fawn parents
slmjacklin 2 years ago
I have a white boxer and I LOVE her. Don't let people make you think you should not breed them, they are perfectly healthy as long as they are not albino. They are precious!!
shancorp 3 years ago
Are you an idiot? Read up on breeding dogs, you backyard breeding mentality people make me sick. You should only breed a dog, (the reason for showing), to improve the breed. White Boxers are cute and loveable, but not genetically desirable for breeding......get an educations!
bdelfine 2 years ago
cute
GabbyGoku 3 years ago
very cute.
FYI, white boxers should NOT be bred.
xlovemyboxerx 3 years ago 2
BEAUTIFUL, I have brindle male and white female which were planning on breeding once theyre about 1.5 years old.
usnclaros 3 years ago
thanx for posting. I love white boxers. they look great! The mom was probably white, if not both the parents.
4000angels 3 years ago
WOW that is a lot of white puppies! Are any of them deaf? What color was the sire?
zdre84 3 years ago 2
the mother was white i bet
JLF97 3 years ago
nope white boxers cannot be breed!
slmjacklin 2 years ago
my white boxer mated with another white boxer so get your facts right
LAITH316 2 years ago
Any BOXER can mate, but it is TOTALLY IRRESPONSIBLE to WEAKEN the breed by breeding a WHITE BOXER!!!
bdelfine 2 years ago
You're right, a responsible DOG OWNER, let alone BOXER LOVER, would NEVER breed a WHITE BOXER!
bdelfine 2 years ago
Where they all white? thats craziness. and is that ones name diesel. my boyfriend named his that! i just got a boxer puppy to.:D luv um.
overallsBgone 3 years ago