Ju-jitsu is a Japanese system. It's development over the ceturies may have had some Chinese and Okinawan influence, but history has shown that Ju-Jitsu has existed in Japan for a long time and is a 'homegrown' system of martial art..
MMA is only around because of the different martial arts styles, mixed martial arts! it has nothing to do with a sharing of knowledge its an amalgamation of techniques. martial arts is a way of life, thats why there are different styles it like countries have different regional accents in the language sense, MA is no different. all in all MMA wouldnt exist if it wasnt for different styles
1.40 he fell all by himself and then that guy hold the arm of that guy on the ground. I really dont know what it is. I didnt look as some kind of armbar / lock to me. But hey, I dont believe in styles...maybe thats my problem that I can not see what he s doing.
This "Kungfu grappling" techniques look like aikido to me, but more dependent on eye gouging (the guy in red shirt is falling backward because his face is being grabbed, and the natural reaction will be to lean backward) instead of wrist locks.
Is this really efficient in real fights? I doubt you can justify to the cops for gouging someone's eyes out :D
@MJin03 Minute 1:39. Not exactly eye gouging, he smacked the bones of his arm at the eye level of the guy in red shirt, natural reaction will be to protect your eyes. It looks like eye gouging when i saw the vid ages ago, but most of his takedown are mostly by grabbing the target's neck. My mistake.
well this is a bit similar but there's a lot more wicked moves that I saw in China when they actually banging those thugs, I saw that guy sit on the other's knee and bent it before a take down... well I am not saying this isnt great but I guess they have less to concern in china..lol.
@dimitrilevampire hey i watched the vid yea its quite good, actaully its pretty the same only more indepth haha, still thx for sharing it bro. Also if your opponent is bigger than you, especailly his arsm,legs etc , it would be harder for the qinna practitioner to do the techniques on him, though some moves ihve seen are not really practical. peace
@taipei0791 Yeah, I agree. Especially when standing up, it's easier for big people to gain leverage advantage over smaller people to overpower or just move away. It's far easier when working on the ground because you can use positioning to gain and hold the leverage advantage.
Reply to Wayotheforesthhand It's sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. Islam, or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia is right beside the middle East.. It's better to keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege of or about. Sign RedWuShuDragon.
Reply to Wayotheforesthhand It sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. Islam or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia right beside the middle East.. It's better keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege off or about. Sigh RedWuShuDragon.
login76...LAWL...and yes...yes...it's great they know this. To be able to subdue is twenty steps ahead of "He made a threatening gesture, SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!' Please pardon my all caps... ^.^
Not the most impressive chin na demo I've seen in Taiwan but enough to subdue the average person. How often to cops have to arrest submision fighters? When I first came to Taiwan many years ago I read in the newspaper of an olympic Tae Kwan Do bronze medalist who got in a fight over a traffic incident. The guy took his eye out with a screwdriver......
brake bones, tear flesh, bite piece of meat off the enemy , cause blunt trauma to the face, lock his joints, brake fingers. there are no rules just kill the guy before he kills you. for self defence just hurt him so bad he stays down and make him pay for the disrespect. sorry but that is the only way.
@cybernako088 yes true but i think the police need a few locks and grappling techniques as most will not strike a police man but may push and shove a bit and resist!
@cybernako088 I know, but biting and eye gouging are a little too extreme for me.
Ass I see it joint locks and strikes and headbutts are ok for hybrid sports (MMA, pankration)
Small joint manipulation for valetudo
and for self defence i'd go as far as completing the purpose of joint locks (breaking limbs and bones), groin strikes and eye picking, but never gouging or biting.
Maybe it's because i wouldn't want it to be done to me (neither groin strikes, but wouldn't care THAT much).
It would be better to find a good instructor to train with but if none are available you might just break done and buy a video from century, BB magazine or paladin. What i do is them from goldstarvideo that saves me a bunch of money and selection is great
yep, life's not pink, this techs are good, but we must understand that is a mechanical study about our anatomy and his weaknesses, its obvious that in real situations we are not up to do it so clean and swift, whenever you grab someones arm or wrist, well, "el vato se va a poner loco" he is not going to cooperate and at the end, if you want to try all of you aikido, chin na or jujitsu repertory, well, you might want to use one or two punches i the face or a kick in the nuts,
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It's funny that mysteryass is raising the very complaint that this video addresses. This is not a simple one-move breakdown, and I really don't have a problem with that approach, because you have to start somewhere. This video shows some ways to adapt different techniques to resistance on the part of the arrestee, but you need a little knowledge to recognize that.
You are right, but you have to remember that a police don't have (as long a he can) to fight against the criminal, he is supossed to keep him, so that is his main goal.
And about the emotions, the police officers are trained people who are use to deal with anger guys and react always as calm as they can to control the situation, otherwise they could not work properly.
sorry but most Taiwanese police officer are usless.... Not all of them ... MOST of them ...
I live in taipei and holly shit they are some of the biggest bunch of loser cops i seen. They need some training .. no joke ... they need some western police training... maybe some Americans/Canadian police help ...
The jist of his discussion is that when capturing and taking a criminal away, they typically will not go without a fight. However, officers are to avoid getting into a brawl, thus they use the least amount of force necessary to get the subject into a position of disadvantage. These Qin Na techniques come from Ba Gua fist. I'm amazed that these techniques are combined with weapons retention. Western law enforcement usually has these two things separated under defensive tactics.
Federal law enforcement agencies (Secret Service, Marshals, ATF, etc.) in the USA. Several agencies from South America attend their academies, too. For basic training, they're actually all located in the same training center for the one I listed.
At 30 seconds, he is talking about how at close range, an assailant can do all sorts of damage, and I think he's talking about time issues. "not enough time for this," "not enoug time for that" being a cop, no doubt his speech is all about "efficiency."
I don't understand Chinese, but, I think I know what he was talking about those first two minutes. He was saying, that joint locking was not practical, or he felt it was not practical against a struggling opponent, because it is a person's natural instinct to break free of a grasp, thus if you waste your time looking for a lock, you end up with a standing wrestling match, the Taiwanese cop said, that it is in fact more efficient, to use the momentum of the struggle to unbalance them.
every other grappling school teach the LAPD, but have you seen the LAPD in action trying to takedown an assailant? In many cases it is hysterical. These techniques may work for cops on this vid, and thats what its for, it wouldnt work against trained fighters in the cage, but those guys are hardly a measuring stick for real combat as it relates to a cops job. These guys here arent trying to produce fighters, but police officers.
For clarification, these techniques are being taught to police purely for minimum-force submissions. The teacher remarks repeatedly that they should refrain from striking their opponents, even if only to open up grappling opportunities. The main thrust of the teaching in this clip is not any particular technique being demonstrated but rather the utility of lateral instead of forward or backward footwork in creating gaps in your opponent's guard.
yeah qin na includes any style of martial arts that locks joints or uses human body mechanics for leverage control ie almost every style of asian martial art. Except Muay Thai, you really have to go to Muay Boran for anything outside glove training
i think the problem with martial arts is the labelling of styles, for example there are many different types of boxers, they dont go round saying i practice this or that style of boxing, martial artists should unite and share there knowledge, like they are doing in mma, iknow mmm is a sport but they have the right attitude with regards to learning from each other. whatever art u practice we have 2 arms and 2 legs, so make use of them in the most proficient way. good instructor=good style.
@singhakabuttar The problem is that many have created organizations around their "style" and they use tradition and lineage to censor ppl. For example in some systems u have to study for more than 15 yrs b4 u are qualified to teach. So owning ur own school or achieving a high rank in their system is unlikely unless u began training as a child. For this reason many ppl leave and form new organizations, yet they in turn put the same type of restrictions on others in their "new system"!.
@singhakabuttar The styles are a little too different for that. That's like saying that you shouldn't name musical genres. Yeah, it's all music but Black Metal is way too different from Dubstep to not be labeled that way. You're right, there is something to be learned from every style but there are differences that almost require you to use one over the other. Do you toss your opponent or do you bring them down with you? Do you step before you kick or not?Do you overwhelm or do you counter?
@singhakabuttar Boxers do label their substyles. There are outfighters, infighters, boxer-punchers, sluggers, swarmers, defensive wizards, pressure fighters, counterpunchers. They just don't freak out about their differences.
i been teaching escrima mixed w wing chun mixed w thai box since 98 difernt people do better w thaibox than escima or wing chun just fits thier body type .But I agree w Bruce Lee its the person not the style.
I havnt been teaching since 98 but ive been studying since 98. Im under Lee Kwong Ming - "Johnny Lee" of My Jhong Law Horn. I find having a good teacher allows a student to push themselves extremely hard in the direction they need to go. But there again, the teacher would be a person. lol. So ultimately on some level it comes down to a person. I dont feel a student could possibly be good without some sort of an instructor. Maybe a good fighter, sure... maybe got lucky, but a martial artist? nah
answering myself always look for the best art and instructor u can! one of my teachers said u do a technique a thousnd times .but if its wrong its just a thousand times wrong
Of course martial art can suck balls. Martial art is a collection of training methods. If some martial art constantly produces weak fighters, it sucks. That's all there is to it.
Coming from an idiot, it doesn't offend me it the least ;-) However, what does surprise me is why idiots like youself are offended by the simple fact that if any "martial arts" is known for constantly producing weak fighters, it sucks hairy balls. Truisms such as these should be self-evident to anybody with IQ of 10 and more.
Martial arts styles produce fighters the same way styles of education produce students, exercise protocols produce athletes and your mother produces whinny little faggots.
Martial art is nothing more than a collection of training methods at a point in time -otherwise the term has no meaning. If by applying said methods on students you get lousy fighters, the martial art sucks and should be changed or abandoned.
Now do everybody a favor, shut up and go stand in the corner, sissy boy.
Anyhow, I think some of it relies on the person being overconfidant and therefore weak... also, some people (not all mind you) don't train in their off time. They use class time as practice time, when that should be the time to learn something new. *shrug*
It also depends on your instructor, to a point. Where if they hold some things back, so you never know as much or more than they do.... probably not the best teacher.
I believe what Sense is saying is that the point of material arts is not to produce fighters but discipline in its students. If your learning any type of material arts to learn how to fight you've totally missed the point and watch too much ufc.
Wow. What a very nice demonstration of "sticky hands" being used in Chin Na. Personally, I'm an old Aikidoka, so this isn't my style. But I'm impressed with this video clip and I only wish I'd been able to understand the spoken Chinese explanation word for word.
hey hey hey bros there aint no reason to bite each other's head off...these are supreme arts and art is not bound by any religion or geography for that sake....anyone can learn it but the keaword is devotion n respect ...
so for the sake of the art and for the sake of who is performing n who is not, lets just keep peace n appreciate the art n the video....
chinese and taiwan MMA fighters will be anyone in UFC!
UFC fighters would be nothing without the asian fighters.Asians bring innovations into MMA.Look Tokoro,Imanari!And soon the chinese MMA fighters from art of war...
Good police do train in different fighting styles and its this is not unreasonable. A lot of cops employ joint locks to get people into handcuffs very quickly because when your arm feels like its going to pop off you stop fighting. They also use it to end fights quickly.
Good defense video. For all those comments from Chinese people about Taiwan not being independent, no need to be upset. Chinese people do not accept democracy due to decades of propaganda. The phrase "washing of the brain" was developed by the Chinese government. Enough said.
So if there are 120 million muslims in america, they should claim independence from the state? Fuck you and your shit logic. And BTW, Islam is a religion, not a nationality.
you fucking ass hall this people has a nationality and it is not chinese,islam is a relligion and more strong than nationality thats why we care about our brothers
what the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in china? what does Islam have to do with chin na? this is martial arts not your geo political religious debate.
@wayoftheforesthand well since the chin na used here comes from the internal arts and many internal arts were developed by muslims..... i mean you could see a relevance, but these are techniques shown for self defence, not historical crap besides that. in this case, i agree with you 100 %.
@rAFiCoRe umm no they weren`t internal arts are Taoist in origin or at least Taji qaun and bagau zang i don`t know about xingyi so much but it`s not Muslim in origin though there is a style practiced by Muslims also chin na i think predates the internal styles as it`s considered an essential part of any fighting system
@yamiyomizuki tan tui and baji are considered internal, and muslim. but you are right most internal styles come from taoist origins, and most kung fu styles have a chin na section, still there is not a huge gap between islam and kung fu /chin na, which i wanted to point out. might not have been the best use of words. ;)
. If know one told you I will. It sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. eithen good teacher. Islam or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia right beside the middle East.. It's better keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege off or about. Sigh RedWuShuDragon.
@C6739053 clearly you dont understand the context for my comment. Islam and muslims do have a rich history in the martial arts, but making comments about how much better islam is the other religions on a chin na video like like going to a video about islam and talking about how chin na is better then shuai chiao. This is martial arts not whos religion is better. so read the conversation and make a good comment or keep your trap shut.
. If know one told you I will. It sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. eithen good teacher. Islam or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia right beside the middle East.. It's better keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege off or about. Sign RedWuShuDragon.
Yes, you care for your brothers alright, and nobody else. You'd cry your eyes out when a muslim is killed, but rejoice when non-muslims share the same fate. Total lack of empathy towards your fellow men. And your inability to distinguish religion and state is why there is no peace in the world. This is why you people demand your own country everywhere you set your foot on. You can never live in peace with others. This "us and them" mentality is evidently too strong among you.
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Taiwan is not a country,Taiwan is a part of China,If Taiwan continues to think it's a country,it will be further isolated and then Taiwan eventually becomes a country which means countryside.
Yes,almost every single mainlander thinks Taiwan is not a country,Taiwan is a part of China,which means republic of China.Besiders,Taiwan's leader Ma yingjiu also thinks so.
resistance, resistance, resistance. thats great, but until you actually have the technique down full resistance training is pointless. if you cant do the technique right you cant do it on a resisting person or none resisting person. a lot of these cops in like Taiwan have been doing kung fu since they were like 4. these are not joe bob who decided he wanted to do tough man 6 months ago. these guys are well trained and seasoned fighters most of the time before joining the force.
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Why am I not surprised to find a credulous, dipshit, retarded, fantasy prone idiot like wayofthegayshitforestfarie here? Where is your proof that most Taiwanese police applicants are "well trained seasoned fighters" before joining the force you loser? This video is the most pathetic BULLSHIT I've seen so far. Grow the fuck up and live in the real world; "chin na" is just more stupification and mystification for the peasant mind.
??? chin na is joint locks... whast so mystical about joint locks? bjj, jj, and judo all use them. not sure what the hell you are talking about it being mystical other then you have a hard time with it because its chinese so that must mean its crouching tiger hidden dragon... plus all you do is curse and call ppl and styles name. my proof is easily found if you look it up. i know you want me to show it to you because your to stupid to figure it out yourself.
We all get it that you don't believe in Chinese martial arts and you think it is some type of gimmick but I invite you ... no I challenge you to go find a sifu of wing chun or any other good style of kung fu like xingyiquan or even eagle claw kung fu and tell them that chi na does not work and you want them to prove to you that it does. Please get back to me with your results. I really would like to see how that works out for you... LOL
Same why one knocks out any LARPing orientophile loser; smash him in the grill. Sorry but assholes like these are always very scarce when it comes time for real fighting.
I am sure if you went to Taiwan and "smash him in the grill" the police officer would be more then happy to show you his abilities. yes yes call me names like larp and asshole, and your normally 3 to 4 names say something like I just punch him and his weak ass wouldnt get up, and keep looking like the larp to everyone including the mma guys.
is there a pressure point move where i can make my oppenent shit himself cuz this guy wont stop fuckin with me and i just wanna make him shit himself so he'll leave me alone
No there is not. However, assuming he already needed to go a nice shot to the chin followed quickly by a shot to under the rib cage could genuinely cause him to shit himself. ^.^
There is actually, at least according to theory,but your way seems a good route to go as well! :-) I'd go for the nose or temple with a phoenix eye or knuckle fist be4 the chin though. Maybe a nice direct front kick to the balls or stomach too. Bully's deserve it.
yes there is, my sensei gave me a primer of how to use this technique. it deals with having to hit certain pressure points that activate the abdominal region. my sensei has even successfully used it when he was sparring
if you hit him in his ileocaecal valve for at least 10 seconds itll open up the large intestine and the poop inside will start flowing. put your thumb in your belly button and make your index finger stretch straight down toward the ground. rotate your finger about 45 degrees to the right and thats approximately where it is. just punch in that vicinity enough times and itll loosen up and he'll have to poop
Do some research on pressure points along the "center line." Reason why I say this is because when facing an opponent the part of ones body that will absorb the most damage/impact is the center line. Preferably use a straight attack because the shortest distance from point A to B is a straight line. It is the hardest to defend against for that reason. You should be able to find some valuable stuff with that info. Good luck with the bully.
isn't chin na great? it only requires thousands of repetitions over many years, surgical precision, nuclear clock-like timing, eagle vision, near-suprehuman reflexes.... I mean, its so simple! It can work in a fight after only 6 months of training!
Pardon my sarcasm and cynicism; the more chinese martial arts I see, the more I understand Bruce Lee's frustration and anger.
That's not how it works. Half the techniques will never have an opportunity to be used in a fight, but the flow and the ability to "feel" is extremely useful. In addition, understanding body mechanics is also useful. I have defeated many college wrestlers with chin na alone and after only a year training at the time.
I think this was really just a demonstration. No need to call them out on whether they train with resistance or not because the purpose of a demonstration is to show off the techniques.
Can you apply bjj resistance style drills with stand-up grappling? GUessing the best bet would be to try and work this stuff with resistance from key positions i.e. the clinch..
The best drills I've seen are called stickhands from the stand-up position. You and your opponent lock rists and practice the moves back and forth, while constantly moving. Christian Harfouche uses this methon in his Full Body Boxing DVD's. Works really well.
The guy has a very strong southern Taiwanese accent. The point of the introductional video is to show some simple chin na techniques in situations here police officers are prohibited from actively hitting or hurting the suspect, as well when suspects reach for the officer's gun.
Chin na means 'lock hold', meaning to lock one's tendons, joints, as well as force on pressure points. doesn't look spectacular but with mastery (not to mention grip strength) can be very effective to subdue and lock, esp people with weak pain-tolerance. Chin na is not meant to be a technique for fighting but rather to subdue and defend. Of course there are variations (other styles) that have many chin na moves in order to lock or break and then strike.
I have work with violent, psychotic, drugged out criminals for 10 years (think bouncer at a crackhouse). Chin Na works if you know how to fight with it. I've seen guys that got tasered 3 times and just got more pissed and one of these locks actually dropped the guy. Fighting someone in your weight class with set rules is not a street fight. Someone 6'5 and 300lbs that thinks you're looking at him funny and has been up for 6 days on meth is a street fight. FTW.
Having taken BJJ and Judo, it looks like they're just doing very very weak judo throws coupled with terrible submission locks. On top of the fact that that is a very complient uke, especially in that last take down. None of this looks practical at all.
I've trained in some Chin-na, and it's actually very different that "throws" It's joint manipulation, coupled with pressure points Your body drops by itself because you don't want to get a broken bone.
i learned judo then i moved on to aikido and chin na and im going to learn brazilian ju-jitsu soon. whoever knows judo or jujitsu msg me or add me to friends
I'm a Judo player since I was 8yrs old.I started training at the age of 23.I won several local competitions and was supposed to go international, but never did because of my studying.
I learned a little bit of Chin Na from Dr. Yang Jwing Ming. It seemed to be similar to my Japanese Jujitsu training. I left Chin Na because Jujitsu went to the ground more and I love ground fighting. No offense to those who like "standing grappling". I just love the ground's realm a little too much to get deep into Chin Na. Try finding some Dr. Yang Jwing Ming books on Chin Na, they're decent.
99% would not be unable to escape from Chin Na? I'm that 1% of the Taiwanese that know how to throw a takedown and ground and pound their asses.
Warkiam 4 weeks ago
Nice!
vicious321 1 month ago
28 people got caught by a taiwan policeman
MrEvilslashy 1 month ago 2
@MrEvilslashy haha original!
demejiuk 1 week ago
@demejiuk IKR everyone does that. The funny thing is that they're always the top comment I c!
MrEvilslashy 6 days ago
@MrEvilslashy i wasnt being sarcastic i thought it was funny.
demejiuk 4 days ago
@demejiuk ah that's the best thing I've heard all day! :3
MrEvilslashy 2 days ago
too bad i don't speak chinese
redpunk 3 months ago
Incredible!! next time someone attacks me by holding their arm out and letting me grab it..I will know exactly what to do!
oneminuteworkout 5 months ago
Ju-jitsu is a Japanese system. It's development over the ceturies may have had some Chinese and Okinawan influence, but history has shown that Ju-Jitsu has existed in Japan for a long time and is a 'homegrown' system of martial art..
kempocourt 6 months ago
MMA is only around because of the different martial arts styles, mixed martial arts! it has nothing to do with a sharing of knowledge its an amalgamation of techniques. martial arts is a way of life, thats why there are different styles it like countries have different regional accents in the language sense, MA is no different. all in all MMA wouldnt exist if it wasnt for different styles
jackhannaway 8 months ago
1.40 he fell all by himself and then that guy hold the arm of that guy on the ground. I really dont know what it is. I didnt look as some kind of armbar / lock to me. But hey, I dont believe in styles...maybe thats my problem that I can not see what he s doing.
minasz 9 months ago
This teqnique is so great the named there country after it..
Ben1987X 11 months ago
Truely, this will barley work on him if he actualy tried to defend him self it would work
SoulRipBabe 11 months ago
Argh, I can't speak chinese... what's a pity...
This "Kungfu grappling" techniques look like aikido to me, but more dependent on eye gouging (the guy in red shirt is falling backward because his face is being grabbed, and the natural reaction will be to lean backward) instead of wrist locks.
Is this really efficient in real fights? I doubt you can justify to the cops for gouging someone's eyes out :D
whartanto2 11 months ago
@whartanto2 i dont see the eye gouging....
MJin03 8 months ago
@MJin03 Minute 1:39. Not exactly eye gouging, he smacked the bones of his arm at the eye level of the guy in red shirt, natural reaction will be to protect your eyes. It looks like eye gouging when i saw the vid ages ago, but most of his takedown are mostly by grabbing the target's neck. My mistake.
whartanto2 3 months ago
You can see here that martial arts originated from the Shaolin Temple! Many of the chin na used here is from the wing chun style!
mangekyoCRikiT 1 year ago
Well taiwan people should see how the China police do their chin na in Tai chi....lol
it's so much more brutal than this..they practically break your joints before they hold u down...
dimitrilevampire 1 year ago
@dimitrilevampire any video to see what u just said? thx
MechPhantom 4 months ago
@MechPhantom watch?v=TFeL8kY-uos
well this is a bit similar but there's a lot more wicked moves that I saw in China when they actually banging those thugs, I saw that guy sit on the other's knee and bent it before a take down... well I am not saying this isnt great but I guess they have less to concern in china..lol.
dimitrilevampire 3 months ago
@dimitrilevampire cool story, ok thx for sharing the vid man, ill take a look and then ill reply back to you =) ee you
MechPhantom 3 months ago
@dimitrilevampire hey i watched the vid yea its quite good, actaully its pretty the same only more indepth haha, still thx for sharing it bro. Also if your opponent is bigger than you, especailly his arsm,legs etc , it would be harder for the qinna practitioner to do the techniques on him, though some moves ihve seen are not really practical. peace
MechPhantom 3 months ago
very effective................
roppokai1 1 year ago
From my experience, joint locks do not always work. Try it against a big, strong and determined opponent and see what happens.
taipei0791 1 year ago
@taipei0791 Yeah, I agree. Especially when standing up, it's easier for big people to gain leverage advantage over smaller people to overpower or just move away. It's far easier when working on the ground because you can use positioning to gain and hold the leverage advantage.
jeffdoeskungfu 1 year ago
>口< 好想學好想學喔!!自學可以嗎 沒又人要借我摔= =
fdfdjjjj123 1 year ago
Im so confused! D:
I cant speak Chinese!
TVDITB 1 year ago
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Reply to Wayotheforesthhand It's sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. Islam, or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia is right beside the middle East.. It's better to keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege of or about. Sign RedWuShuDragon.
C6739053 1 year ago
Reply to Wayotheforesthhand It sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. Islam or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia right beside the middle East.. It's better keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege off or about. Sigh RedWuShuDragon.
C6739053 1 year ago
login76...LAWL...and yes...yes...it's great they know this. To be able to subdue is twenty steps ahead of "He made a threatening gesture, SHOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!!!!!!!!!' Please pardon my all caps... ^.^
Jucudeno 1 year ago
Outstanding!
AD49938 1 year ago
great
jcneutrinos 1 year ago
Not the most impressive chin na demo I've seen in Taiwan but enough to subdue the average person. How often to cops have to arrest submision fighters? When I first came to Taiwan many years ago I read in the newspaper of an olympic Tae Kwan Do bronze medalist who got in a fight over a traffic incident. The guy took his eye out with a screwdriver......
zaitaiwan 1 year ago
brake bones, tear flesh, bite piece of meat off the enemy , cause blunt trauma to the face, lock his joints, brake fingers. there are no rules just kill the guy before he kills you. for self defence just hurt him so bad he stays down and make him pay for the disrespect. sorry but that is the only way.
cybernako088 1 year ago 8
@cybernako088 yes true but i think the police need a few locks and grappling techniques as most will not strike a police man but may push and shove a bit and resist!
TheZhongzheng 1 year ago
@cybernako088
Then you will be simply jailed ((
but I liked the point ))
darkgreensoldier666 1 year ago
@cybernako088 but not for the Police...they are very limited as to how they can respond legally.
This is a very basic class. They say so near the end.
physicalcult 1 year ago
@cybernako088 I know, but biting and eye gouging are a little too extreme for me.
Ass I see it joint locks and strikes and headbutts are ok for hybrid sports (MMA, pankration)
Small joint manipulation for valetudo
and for self defence i'd go as far as completing the purpose of joint locks (breaking limbs and bones), groin strikes and eye picking, but never gouging or biting.
Maybe it's because i wouldn't want it to be done to me (neither groin strikes, but wouldn't care THAT much).
AlexLococo 1 month ago
It would be better to find a good instructor to train with but if none are available you might just break done and buy a video from century, BB magazine or paladin. What i do is them from goldstarvideo that saves me a bunch of money and selection is great
chloebear2006 2 years ago
I suggestions on Chin na videos or where to get them. I know videos can be expensive
BusterBoy5555 2 years ago
cool .. xie xie
xiaolaoshu520 2 years ago
yep, life's not pink, this techs are good, but we must understand that is a mechanical study about our anatomy and his weaknesses, its obvious that in real situations we are not up to do it so clean and swift, whenever you grab someones arm or wrist, well, "el vato se va a poner loco" he is not going to cooperate and at the end, if you want to try all of you aikido, chin na or jujitsu repertory, well, you might want to use one or two punches i the face or a kick in the nuts,
ikterion 2 years ago
excellent point
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universetechnique 2 years ago
It's funny that mysteryass is raising the very complaint that this video addresses. This is not a simple one-move breakdown, and I really don't have a problem with that approach, because you have to start somewhere. This video shows some ways to adapt different techniques to resistance on the part of the arrestee, but you need a little knowledge to recognize that.
siulumlion 2 years ago
He said the objective is to capture the other guys without harmming him and himself.
Dont compare this to TV MMA sport ring
pangyf25250 2 years ago
he's really using that stance, nice.
southwestwingchun 2 years ago
The trainning is good, but the situation in the street is very diferent that academy.
because the street has adrenaline, fear, hungry, fast and other emotions that every one have.
if somebody take my hand, i push him at the face.
Some tecnics can be used, other not.
My sifu said, or broke my bones, or broke her bones, but something must be broke ( in real combat or fight)
mystorias 2 years ago
You are right, but you have to remember that a police don't have (as long a he can) to fight against the criminal, he is supossed to keep him, so that is his main goal.
And about the emotions, the police officers are trained people who are use to deal with anger guys and react always as calm as they can to control the situation, otherwise they could not work properly.
fatmelonn 2 years ago
sorry but most Taiwanese police officer are usless.... Not all of them ... MOST of them ...
I live in taipei and holly shit they are some of the biggest bunch of loser cops i seen. They need some training .. no joke ... they need some western police training... maybe some Americans/Canadian police help ...
SushiWarriorTW 2 years ago
Interesting. It's a something betwin Aikido and Pushing hands.
philoposos 2 years ago
right...
keep in mind this is older...
way older
eLISILLO 2 years ago
The jist of his discussion is that when capturing and taking a criminal away, they typically will not go without a fight. However, officers are to avoid getting into a brawl, thus they use the least amount of force necessary to get the subject into a position of disadvantage. These Qin Na techniques come from Ba Gua fist. I'm amazed that these techniques are combined with weapons retention. Western law enforcement usually has these two things separated under defensive tactics.
xinheng 2 years ago
Hi Xinheng, which 'Western' law enforcement are you talking about? Just curious.
Chongmolangma 2 years ago
Federal law enforcement agencies (Secret Service, Marshals, ATF, etc.) in the USA. Several agencies from South America attend their academies, too. For basic training, they're actually all located in the same training center for the one I listed.
xinheng 2 years ago
Thank you.
Chongmolangma 2 years ago
A lot of the stuff he's talking about is "the other guy is trying to kill you, no time, no time, no time this, no time that."
pillsburydoughboy47 2 years ago
that's pretty good instruction, if I could gather all that just from his hand movement and demonstration.
now I'm just guessing as to what was said; any actual Chinese speakers are welcome to correct me!
pillsburydoughboy47 2 years ago
At 30 seconds, he is talking about how at close range, an assailant can do all sorts of damage, and I think he's talking about time issues. "not enough time for this," "not enoug time for that" being a cop, no doubt his speech is all about "efficiency."
pillsburydoughboy47 2 years ago
I don't understand Chinese, but, I think I know what he was talking about those first two minutes. He was saying, that joint locking was not practical, or he felt it was not practical against a struggling opponent, because it is a person's natural instinct to break free of a grasp, thus if you waste your time looking for a lock, you end up with a standing wrestling match, the Taiwanese cop said, that it is in fact more efficient, to use the momentum of the struggle to unbalance them.
pillsburydoughboy47 2 years ago
every other grappling school teach the LAPD, but have you seen the LAPD in action trying to takedown an assailant? In many cases it is hysterical. These techniques may work for cops on this vid, and thats what its for, it wouldnt work against trained fighters in the cage, but those guys are hardly a measuring stick for real combat as it relates to a cops job. These guys here arent trying to produce fighters, but police officers.
shifudan 2 years ago
A lot of talk and very little action, produces BULLSHIT.
salishaw 2 years ago
For clarification, these techniques are being taught to police purely for minimum-force submissions. The teacher remarks repeatedly that they should refrain from striking their opponents, even if only to open up grappling opportunities. The main thrust of the teaching in this clip is not any particular technique being demonstrated but rather the utility of lateral instead of forward or backward footwork in creating gaps in your opponent's guard.
Any fighter should find the utility self-evident
Torscha 2 years ago 4
This guy knows his stuff. I wonder if he has done any Bagua, his applications have a definite Bagua flavour.
XuZhangWang 2 years ago
boxing baby yeh!
yamato316 2 years ago
Escrima is the best all your kung fu is no match for a weapon warrior becuase their art has evolved like human nature
n ive personally tried it against boxers mu thai n kung fu people who have done it 5years plus
lol
its lovely but no doubt i love chinese culture n most of their martial arts
khan64 2 years ago
chin-na rocks
soogoonu 2 years ago
I like the way they use chi sau,I often thought that chin na would make a nice addition to my wing chun.
ajb7876 3 years ago 2
chin na is practised among all kinds of martial arts. chin na isn't a style
it's the name given to certain applications.
wing chun does have chin na applied into it, but not alot
AznSketchKid 3 years ago 2
yeah qin na includes any style of martial arts that locks joints or uses human body mechanics for leverage control ie almost every style of asian martial art. Except Muay Thai, you really have to go to Muay Boran for anything outside glove training
chushinryoku 3 years ago 2
i think the problem with martial arts is the labelling of styles, for example there are many different types of boxers, they dont go round saying i practice this or that style of boxing, martial artists should unite and share there knowledge, like they are doing in mma, iknow mmm is a sport but they have the right attitude with regards to learning from each other. whatever art u practice we have 2 arms and 2 legs, so make use of them in the most proficient way. good instructor=good style.
singhakabuttar 3 years ago 19
@singhakabuttar The problem is that many have created organizations around their "style" and they use tradition and lineage to censor ppl. For example in some systems u have to study for more than 15 yrs b4 u are qualified to teach. So owning ur own school or achieving a high rank in their system is unlikely unless u began training as a child. For this reason many ppl leave and form new organizations, yet they in turn put the same type of restrictions on others in their "new system"!.
osensei2987 1 year ago
@osensei2987 what kind of restriction?
singhakabuttar 1 year ago
@singhakabuttar
that's one of the most intelligent comments i've seen on youtube in a while
jungleng 1 year ago
@singhakabuttar The styles are a little too different for that. That's like saying that you shouldn't name musical genres. Yeah, it's all music but Black Metal is way too different from Dubstep to not be labeled that way. You're right, there is something to be learned from every style but there are differences that almost require you to use one over the other. Do you toss your opponent or do you bring them down with you? Do you step before you kick or not?Do you overwhelm or do you counter?
AkatsukiPR0 11 months ago
@AkatsukiPR0 so true man so true there's a place for every style it depends on your circumstance and preference
bobogazungaaa 11 months ago
@singhakabuttar Boxers do label their substyles. There are outfighters, infighters, boxer-punchers, sluggers, swarmers, defensive wizards, pressure fighters, counterpunchers. They just don't freak out about their differences.
ooogooman 11 months ago
@ooogooman u dont actually teach someone how to be a slugger in boxing
AintDoneYet123 8 months ago
@AintDoneYet123 Tell that to the Mexicans, who have made a national specialty of producing superlative sluggers.
ooogooman 8 months ago
@ooogooman those are ninjas
89arnburg 7 months ago
@singhakabuttar its impossible to learn all the martial arts in one place though
nigahigalova34 7 months ago
My sifu uses this alonside wing chun and various other martail arts once taught the taiwanese police also.
smokinthepot 3 years ago
haha I ve done wing chung for 5 years and it s the biggest rubbish i ve ever seen
bisaf11 2 years ago
Rubbish ?, wing chun is practically the only kungfu art that doesn't "suck ballz"
JacobSijsma 2 years ago
thats not true.. it just depends on which instructor you get and what lineage of kung fu. but more importantly the instructor.
redsamuraidragon 2 years ago
i been teaching escrima mixed w wing chun mixed w thai box since 98 difernt people do better w thaibox than escima or wing chun just fits thier body type .But I agree w Bruce Lee its the person not the style.
dirtbagmofo 2 years ago
I havnt been teaching since 98 but ive been studying since 98. Im under Lee Kwong Ming - "Johnny Lee" of My Jhong Law Horn. I find having a good teacher allows a student to push themselves extremely hard in the direction they need to go. But there again, the teacher would be a person. lol. So ultimately on some level it comes down to a person. I dont feel a student could possibly be good without some sort of an instructor. Maybe a good fighter, sure... maybe got lucky, but a martial artist? nah
redsamuraidragon 2 years ago
I quoted master lee out of context .He of course was refering to people who have years of instuction first. then its the person
dirtbagmofo 2 years ago
just like some people play a sport just a little better than others. from tennis to archery
dirtbagmofo 2 years ago
answering myself always look for the best art and instructor u can! one of my teachers said u do a technique a thousnd times .but if its wrong its just a thousand times wrong
dirtbagmofo 2 years ago
you dont want to do wing chun
shadowcar88 2 years ago
wrong! its only the person who can suck balls, not the martial art. it's pretty ignorant to say that.
southwestwingchun 2 years ago
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Of course martial art can suck balls. Martial art is a collection of training methods. If some martial art constantly produces weak fighters, it sucks. That's all there is to it.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
You're an idiot; that's all there is to it.
TheSenseofTouch 2 years ago
Coming from an idiot, it doesn't offend me it the least ;-) However, what does surprise me is why idiots like youself are offended by the simple fact that if any "martial arts" is known for constantly producing weak fighters, it sucks hairy balls. Truisms such as these should be self-evident to anybody with IQ of 10 and more.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
You're an idiot because you actually think that martial arts produce fighters. You're an idiot, that's all there is to it.
TheSenseofTouch 2 years ago
Martial arts styles produce fighters the same way styles of education produce students, exercise protocols produce athletes and your mother produces whinny little faggots.
Martial art is nothing more than a collection of training methods at a point in time -otherwise the term has no meaning. If by applying said methods on students you get lousy fighters, the martial art sucks and should be changed or abandoned.
Now do everybody a favor, shut up and go stand in the corner, sissy boy.
CarNikolaj 2 years ago
Hah, good times.
Anyhow, I think some of it relies on the person being overconfidant and therefore weak... also, some people (not all mind you) don't train in their off time. They use class time as practice time, when that should be the time to learn something new. *shrug*
It also depends on your instructor, to a point. Where if they hold some things back, so you never know as much or more than they do.... probably not the best teacher.
Just IMHO
meshunderlay 2 years ago
I believe what Sense is saying is that the point of material arts is not to produce fighters but discipline in its students. If your learning any type of material arts to learn how to fight you've totally missed the point and watch too much ufc.
flyMTL 2 years ago
Wow. What a very nice demonstration of "sticky hands" being used in Chin Na. Personally, I'm an old Aikidoka, so this isn't my style. But I'm impressed with this video clip and I only wish I'd been able to understand the spoken Chinese explanation word for word.
gedanate 3 years ago
this is the predecessor to Aikido. Aikido and Jiujutsu have their roots in Chin Na or Qin Na, which came from China and was introduced into Japan.
thewhoopimen 2 years ago
Good Police Defence Techniek
cheungwanfai 3 years ago
hey hey hey bros there aint no reason to bite each other's head off...these are supreme arts and art is not bound by any religion or geography for that sake....anyone can learn it but the keaword is devotion n respect ...
so for the sake of the art and for the sake of who is performing n who is not, lets just keep peace n appreciate the art n the video....
RIGHT MATES..
kichhimushona 3 years ago 2
chinese and taiwan MMA fighters will be anyone in UFC!
UFC fighters would be nothing without the asian fighters.Asians bring innovations into MMA.Look Tokoro,Imanari!And soon the chinese MMA fighters from art of war...
Rackets1 3 years ago
Good police do train in different fighting styles and its this is not unreasonable. A lot of cops employ joint locks to get people into handcuffs very quickly because when your arm feels like its going to pop off you stop fighting. They also use it to end fights quickly.
Kallentide 3 years ago 2
hey I'm taiwanese! Well... taiwanese American
mcbearcat 3 years ago
You are chinese american.
fuckyoucibaikia 3 years ago
Good defense video. For all those comments from Chinese people about Taiwan not being independent, no need to be upset. Chinese people do not accept democracy due to decades of propaganda. The phrase "washing of the brain" was developed by the Chinese government. Enough said.
Destroyingevil 3 years ago 2
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fuck you ass hall what about Sinkyang with 120milion muslem ,what about the Tebet...etc, is every thing damn chineis?
emado4ever 3 years ago
So if there are 120 million muslims in america, they should claim independence from the state? Fuck you and your shit logic. And BTW, Islam is a religion, not a nationality.
fuckyoucibaikia 3 years ago
you fucking ass hall this people has a nationality and it is not chinese,islam is a relligion and more strong than nationality thats why we care about our brothers
emado4ever 3 years ago
what the hell does that have to do with the price of tea in china? what does Islam have to do with chin na? this is martial arts not your geo political religious debate.
wayoftheforesthand 3 years ago 23
@wayoftheforesthand well since the chin na used here comes from the internal arts and many internal arts were developed by muslims..... i mean you could see a relevance, but these are techniques shown for self defence, not historical crap besides that. in this case, i agree with you 100 %.
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
@rAFiCoRe umm no they weren`t internal arts are Taoist in origin or at least Taji qaun and bagau zang i don`t know about xingyi so much but it`s not Muslim in origin though there is a style practiced by Muslims also chin na i think predates the internal styles as it`s considered an essential part of any fighting system
yamiyomizuki 1 year ago
@yamiyomizuki tan tui and baji are considered internal, and muslim. but you are right most internal styles come from taoist origins, and most kung fu styles have a chin na section, still there is not a huge gap between islam and kung fu /chin na, which i wanted to point out. might not have been the best use of words. ;)
rAFiCoRe 1 year ago
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C6739053 1 year ago
. If know one told you I will. It sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. eithen good teacher. Islam or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia right beside the middle East.. It's better keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege off or about. Sigh RedWuShuDragon.
C6739053 1 year ago
@C6739053 clearly you dont understand the context for my comment. Islam and muslims do have a rich history in the martial arts, but making comments about how much better islam is the other religions on a chin na video like like going to a video about islam and talking about how chin na is better then shuai chiao. This is martial arts not whos religion is better. so read the conversation and make a good comment or keep your trap shut.
wayoftheforesthand 1 year ago
. If know one told you I will. It sounds like you need to do your H.W. Or just ask your Gov. eithen good teacher. Islam or muslim are deep routed in the Martial Art world. Asia right beside the middle East.. It's better keep quit than to remove dout about basic to subject you have no knowlege off or about. Sign RedWuShuDragon.
C6739053 1 year ago
@C6739053 what the hell has religion got to do with martial arts?
singhakabuttar 1 year ago
Yes, you care for your brothers alright, and nobody else. You'd cry your eyes out when a muslim is killed, but rejoice when non-muslims share the same fate. Total lack of empathy towards your fellow men. And your inability to distinguish religion and state is why there is no peace in the world. This is why you people demand your own country everywhere you set your foot on. You can never live in peace with others. This "us and them" mentality is evidently too strong among you.
fuckyoucibaikia 3 years ago
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Taiwan is not a country,Taiwan is a part of China,If Taiwan continues to think it's a country,it will be further isolated and then Taiwan eventually becomes a country which means countryside.
xiejiaren 3 years ago
you mean like the majority of mainland ?
TsangBokyan 3 years ago
Yes,almost every single mainlander thinks Taiwan is not a country,Taiwan is a part of China,which means republic of China.Besiders,Taiwan's leader Ma yingjiu also thinks so.
xiejiaren 3 years ago
are you allowed to watch youtube in China's mainland? Perhaps you should be careful. your chinese gestapo has it's eyes everywhere.
Not like in Taiwan^^
Mudjin 3 years ago 2
resistance, resistance, resistance. thats great, but until you actually have the technique down full resistance training is pointless. if you cant do the technique right you cant do it on a resisting person or none resisting person. a lot of these cops in like Taiwan have been doing kung fu since they were like 4. these are not joe bob who decided he wanted to do tough man 6 months ago. these guys are well trained and seasoned fighters most of the time before joining the force.
wayoftheforesthand 3 years ago
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Why am I not surprised to find a credulous, dipshit, retarded, fantasy prone idiot like wayofthegayshitforestfarie here? Where is your proof that most Taiwanese police applicants are "well trained seasoned fighters" before joining the force you loser? This video is the most pathetic BULLSHIT I've seen so far. Grow the fuck up and live in the real world; "chin na" is just more stupification and mystification for the peasant mind.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
??? chin na is joint locks... whast so mystical about joint locks? bjj, jj, and judo all use them. not sure what the hell you are talking about it being mystical other then you have a hard time with it because its chinese so that must mean its crouching tiger hidden dragon... plus all you do is curse and call ppl and styles name. my proof is easily found if you look it up. i know you want me to show it to you because your to stupid to figure it out yourself.
wayoftheforesthand 3 years ago 6
We all get it that you don't believe in Chinese martial arts and you think it is some type of gimmick but I invite you ... no I challenge you to go find a sifu of wing chun or any other good style of kung fu like xingyiquan or even eagle claw kung fu and tell them that chi na does not work and you want them to prove to you that it does. Please get back to me with your results. I really would like to see how that works out for you... LOL
MartialArtistGuy1981 3 years ago 3
Provide the name of the "sifu of wing chun" who accepts challenges.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
Go fight one and post it up how you knock a chin na guy out.LOL NOT!
shengchenfan 3 years ago 2
Same why one knocks out any LARPing orientophile loser; smash him in the grill. Sorry but assholes like these are always very scarce when it comes time for real fighting.
Blndrfist 3 years ago
I am sure if you went to Taiwan and "smash him in the grill" the police officer would be more then happy to show you his abilities. yes yes call me names like larp and asshole, and your normally 3 to 4 names say something like I just punch him and his weak ass wouldnt get up, and keep looking like the larp to everyone including the mma guys.
wayoftheforesthand 3 years ago
Haha! "Stupification and mystification for the peasant mind" ? You say some funny things! LOL
Tangren02 3 years ago
Great stuff. Although to me it seems that this isn't chin na so much as chin na integrated with throws and "finishing".
HessOnChess 3 years ago
Dang, then may not knock you out but thats some cool moves. Great for cops.
tganzrussell 3 years ago
I don't think they have "submission fighting" in Taiwan. But hey, chin na basically IS submission fighting.
T850CSM101a1676 3 years ago
i would love to see a guy use chin na on someone who was punching him in the face the ultimate pressure point at straight kick to the testiclez
slong111 3 years ago
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you ppl are noob ecpiclly ufmd no1 uses ching na in colleg fight that can kill people you probably saw it in some movie before
naruto9452 3 years ago
is there a pressure point move where i can make my oppenent shit himself cuz this guy wont stop fuckin with me and i just wanna make him shit himself so he'll leave me alone
Blackstarkid07 4 years ago 5
No there is not. However, assuming he already needed to go a nice shot to the chin followed quickly by a shot to under the rib cage could genuinely cause him to shit himself. ^.^
KrausePupil 4 years ago
There is actually, at least according to theory,but your way seems a good route to go as well! :-) I'd go for the nose or temple with a phoenix eye or knuckle fist be4 the chin though. Maybe a nice direct front kick to the balls or stomach too. Bully's deserve it.
UFMD1 3 years ago
yes there is, my sensei gave me a primer of how to use this technique. it deals with having to hit certain pressure points that activate the abdominal region. my sensei has even successfully used it when he was sparring
bobthereaper 3 years ago
I choked a guy out once until he shit and pissed himself.
kirokyukan 3 years ago
if you hit him in his ileocaecal valve for at least 10 seconds itll open up the large intestine and the poop inside will start flowing. put your thumb in your belly button and make your index finger stretch straight down toward the ground. rotate your finger about 45 degrees to the right and thats approximately where it is. just punch in that vicinity enough times and itll loosen up and he'll have to poop
poopmaster20x 3 years ago
just kick him in the balls
atrisk1 3 years ago
well as a police officer you cant strike as freely as a civilian defending himself. thats where subduing techniques come in.
you cant go around kicking ppl in the balls for a traffic violation.
login76 3 years ago 13
@login76 true that !
195WTF 1 year ago
as a professional (policeman/security) you cant do that. and thats the use of such techniques. this is not for street fight nor NHB fights.
login76 3 years ago 2
shit u beat me to it
slong111 3 years ago
Do some research on pressure points along the "center line." Reason why I say this is because when facing an opponent the part of ones body that will absorb the most damage/impact is the center line. Preferably use a straight attack because the shortest distance from point A to B is a straight line. It is the hardest to defend against for that reason. You should be able to find some valuable stuff with that info. Good luck with the bully.
Jud0ch0p 3 years ago
isn't chin na great? it only requires thousands of repetitions over many years, surgical precision, nuclear clock-like timing, eagle vision, near-suprehuman reflexes.... I mean, its so simple! It can work in a fight after only 6 months of training!
Pardon my sarcasm and cynicism; the more chinese martial arts I see, the more I understand Bruce Lee's frustration and anger.
stardingo747 4 years ago
shure...why have a 7 course meal that stretches for hours when you could grab a burger on the run?
:-)
Bloop71 4 years ago
Because the 7 course meal will keep you in better shape as oppossed to that burger.
Jud0ch0p 3 years ago 2
That's not how it works. Half the techniques will never have an opportunity to be used in a fight, but the flow and the ability to "feel" is extremely useful. In addition, understanding body mechanics is also useful. I have defeated many college wrestlers with chin na alone and after only a year training at the time.
UFMD1 3 years ago 3
I think this was really just a demonstration. No need to call them out on whether they train with resistance or not because the purpose of a demonstration is to show off the techniques.
CRDFightClub 4 years ago 5
Can you apply bjj resistance style drills with stand-up grappling? GUessing the best bet would be to try and work this stuff with resistance from key positions i.e. the clinch..
deadlypalms 4 years ago
The best drills I've seen are called stickhands from the stand-up position. You and your opponent lock rists and practice the moves back and forth, while constantly moving. Christian Harfouche uses this methon in his Full Body Boxing DVD's. Works really well.
lanemccall 4 years ago
LOL READING THE LAST HUNDRED COMMENTS, EVERYONE SEEMS TO BE A MARTIAL ARTS MASTER HERE ON YOUTUBE. it's insane. :)
iMPERiOUS 4 years ago 10
The guy has a very strong southern Taiwanese accent. The point of the introductional video is to show some simple chin na techniques in situations here police officers are prohibited from actively hitting or hurting the suspect, as well when suspects reach for the officer's gun.
Corpwell 4 years ago
almost forgot;
Chin na means 'lock hold', meaning to lock one's tendons, joints, as well as force on pressure points. doesn't look spectacular but with mastery (not to mention grip strength) can be very effective to subdue and lock, esp people with weak pain-tolerance. Chin na is not meant to be a technique for fighting but rather to subdue and defend. Of course there are variations (other styles) that have many chin na moves in order to lock or break and then strike.
Corpwell 4 years ago
I wish I knew Mandarian.
snakethemack 4 years ago
I have work with violent, psychotic, drugged out criminals for 10 years (think bouncer at a crackhouse). Chin Na works if you know how to fight with it. I've seen guys that got tasered 3 times and just got more pissed and one of these locks actually dropped the guy. Fighting someone in your weight class with set rules is not a street fight. Someone 6'5 and 300lbs that thinks you're looking at him funny and has been up for 6 days on meth is a street fight. FTW.
bozobarnum 4 years ago 5
Looked effective.
2sunjinbin 4 years ago
Having taken BJJ and Judo, it looks like they're just doing very very weak judo throws coupled with terrible submission locks. On top of the fact that that is a very complient uke, especially in that last take down. None of this looks practical at all.
SlingerXL 4 years ago
I've trained in some Chin-na, and it's actually very different that "throws" It's joint manipulation, coupled with pressure points Your body drops by itself because you don't want to get a broken bone.
lanemccall 4 years ago
Reminds me of aikido and judo, his gun retention techniques look very similar to the principles in jujitsu
AikidoBob 4 years ago
This stuff does look practactle but it all depends on how these guys train. This was just a demonstration id like to see some one spar with this.
forth1102 4 years ago
I wished I woulda learned..... Taiwanese
anthoneycrunch 4 years ago
you can always tell novices when they post. You dont run before you learn to walk my friend.
kotegashi2 4 years ago 2
i learned judo then i moved on to aikido and chin na and im going to learn brazilian ju-jitsu soon. whoever knows judo or jujitsu msg me or add me to friends
won38 4 years ago
I'm a Judo player since I was 8yrs old.I started training at the age of 23.I won several local competitions and was supposed to go international, but never did because of my studying.
kimoegy 4 years ago
I learned a little bit of Chin Na from Dr. Yang Jwing Ming. It seemed to be similar to my Japanese Jujitsu training. I left Chin Na because Jujitsu went to the ground more and I love ground fighting. No offense to those who like "standing grappling". I just love the ground's realm a little too much to get deep into Chin Na. Try finding some Dr. Yang Jwing Ming books on Chin Na, they're decent.
TheRealDrache 4 years ago
chin na seemd alot like jujitsu because jujitsu came from chin na
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