StarCraft 2 - [T] Cloaked Banshees - Strategy

[MrTerminader]

10 Supply Depot

12 Barracks

14 Refinery

16 Orbital Command

20 Factory (at 100 vespene)

20 Refinery

24 Starport / Tech Lab on Factory (swap when done)

27 supply depot

28 Research Cloak / build first banshee

[TheSimonprevost]

this guy lost because he was a noob and didnt scout sufficiently:P

[pjd2003]

whats the build order to this

[hooplah1983]

"bare axe"

[potshed]

lol so many times i beat people and they're like "you suck, i'm better than you"....like alright i guess that's why you just lost douchebag. then they just hide their shit all over the map like little babies

[stevechen4444]

WTF??!!? my screen is green. i cant watch any videos. i can only hear the audio. HELP!!

[KainSlash]

@stevechen4444 Laptop? Turn on the better graphics mode.

[urs4ever86]

Kentucky Fried Panda?

[debateSlayer]

a handful of marines and a scan and this strategy goes down the pooper

[JLXOutlaw]

I LOVE THE OVERVIEW!

[Fbrizioxdd]

kung-force

[sandman366]

Build tech lab onthe Barracks while you make Factory, lift barracks, build starport so it starts with a techlab. :P

[watinowonder56724]

should you put a reactor on the barracks?

[AdicoGames]

@watinowonder56724 it work for a fake 2 barrack, you build 2 barrack fast when he scout he will se you only have 2 barracks soo you biuld 2 reactors this will make your 2 barrack in a 4 barrack. you will need get 1 gas to biuld the reactors. and done 4 marines per 1 min

waht you cand do whit banshees is make the first tech-lab for cloak and the place a reactor in the factory. you build an other port and change the factory for the new port and done... 3 cloak banshees in 5-7 mins

[MagmaPC]

weak. Not even Gold league material. Save that strat for silver league players

[marcarmstrong88]

@MagmaPC i was posted about a year ago though

[KillerRadar]

lol butthurt terran player

[juM8otube]

i dont get that what the fuck was his opponent thinking going in TvT for early marauders? Normally this wont work since in TvT people will usually go for mass marine / tank comp which means that once banshees arrive opponent has 10-30 marines which is way too much for cloaked banshees when scans are used in right way..

In this particular video losing player seems to be absolutely newb, just watch how he scanned when marines wasnt even at the range...

[patrickh92able]

i tried this strat and it made me shit my pants

[0asian1nvasion0]

how exactly can you counter the invisible banshees? im a real noobie.

[56nano]

@0asian1nvasion0

raven observer overseer and any air unit :D their dead

[1337Wunderbaum]

@0asian1nvasion0 Spore crawler, Cannon, Missile turret has the effect 2 scan evrything in it`s area. But u need 2 have them cover your whole base so that the banshes cant do dmg to your base while your detection is out ranged. OR make oversrr, raven observer and follow them :)

[LOLitsabunny]

I am a rank 5 bronze. And I approve of this message.

[thegreatninjaman]

Turrets at mineral line, makes the player who used banshees waste all that gas

[str8uplethal25]

Rofl gg scrub! You arent good!

[Savci008]

Strategy. HAHAHAHA

AHAHAHA

HAHAHA

[some1iknow1]

why didnt he just counter with the marines and marauders? that would have distracted him long enough to get some turrets and vikings up

[Peaceout332]

@some1iknow1 Marauders cannot attack attack flying units, and the Banshee was cloaked so the Marines couldn't attack.

[some1iknow1]

@Peaceout332 no, i meant attack his base...he could of done some serious damage to his base with marines and marauders to make him bring his banshee back to his base

[Gloir]

@some1iknow1 the other guy still has a blob of marines, before he wouldve been @ the enemy base there would be some new banshees w8ing for him and some more marines, there was nothing he couldve done

[Nasherize]

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[UnforgivableMen]

So what's the highest league? Diamond or Master? 

[zuki6]

@UnforgivableMen Masters

[The18thGuy]

I tried this,but how do we deal with it when there is a missile turret?

[osufitchi]

@The18thGuy then stop doing it and try to adapt to going siege tank/viking

also take ur natural expo, you'll have a lot of minerals

[joe812rox]

@The18thGuy either work around it, and harass expansions/buildings not near the missile turret, or switch to, as osufitchi said, siege tanks/viking

[TheSecretCobra]

It's also very effective in TVZ and TVP, I am so Paranoid I always build 4 spores or more around my main base in ZVT. Just played a complete asshole who tried to bunker rush me, failed and then salvaged the bunkers and went for the next cheese (Clock-Banshhes). This is why Terran is 2 OP. And then he BMd me after 1 won. Fucking Butt-Hurt Terrans.

[ATGhostMode]

gg scrub lol, got beat by a scrub, what does that make him?

[thatdudeoverthere456]

dude i tried this strat. bout 3 times, and if it wasnt for you, i wouldn't even be in diamond league. thanks for all ur tactics man. i owe you :)

[kevin122344]

kung fu panda?

[MrRobotor]

this is my best strategy against zerg. hydras take forever to mutate from larva and need lair which takes forever. terran early game is very op against air marines are the very first unit to build which targets air. good luck jumping for a while little zergling!!!

[1point61803]

Yeah, mass marauder plus wall off using 3 supply depots, barracks, and no bunker is gonna work in TvT... Blue could have won using any other timed push, like mass marine.

I honestly think Red was thinking he was playing against Toss... didn't scout either and got concussive before anything.

Personally, I favor 2 port banshee because you can do it in the same time it takes to do 1 port... Just takes a bit longer to expo. But this game was during beta, so Diamonds then are Golds now.

[TheArbiter10]

lol... 'scrub' the official word of gaming ten year olds everywhere :P but in all fairness, this tactic is pretty frustrating. easily countered by placing tons of cannons/turrets everywhere around the edge of your base though

[yugilynn]

oh Americans and their smack talk.

[ccugarte]

The commentator sounds like butthead!

[Soul2Dance4U]

You do a real good job explaining. Keep up the good work.

[99yo]

Just did this strategy.. my opponent pissed in is pants and rage quitted.

[GuruGaming98]

Also its the red terran players fault all the way. What he didn't do was scout the base. If he scouted then he would have been ready and would have built more marines.

[GuruGaming98]

Terran vs Zerg this stradegy doesn'r really work that well. If the zerg player macros up really quick then theres no point of the bansheses and ur screwed.

[Rendeld16]

@GuruGaming98 I think thats why they say to use it TvT. TvZ would be terrible, a single muta would take them all out, muta+overlord

[warlockskz]

@Rendeld16 BTW a zerg player will never be able to get detection + muta out in 7 minute or in this video 7:45 minute. Oh and in SC2 overlord are no longer detector, you have to morph them into Overseer. A zerg player will need to make spore and queens. Since it takes 1.5 queens to take down a banshee or 1 spore to take down 2 banshee. Given the fact if the terran player don't micro the banshee around and attack outside of the spore range, destroying the drones. Make at least 2-3 spore!

[TakkunenWarcraft]

@warlockskz you can make a lair after a spawning pool, so you'll have an overseer easily in time when scouted, not to forget you can get mutas out in 7:30ish. REgardless of that aswell a spores detection range is greater than it's firing range so if you had 2 queens and a spore in a good position you can take out a banshee still.

[tinyt31391]

kungfu panda derp

[imaDINOrawr00]

he had a bay up he should just build a anti air tower or 2 lol.

[cherngbutter]

Red should have kept his marines there before dropping the scan!

[number63441]

NERD RAGE!

[dimmuborgir82]

i almost fell out my chair by the nerd rage lol

[luckycandy101]

a turret would of been splendid ;)

[SpartanOfAiur]

make vikings dummy

if ure as good as producinng units keep in mind ya gotta have at least 2 scvs qued up and 1 barrcks w/ 2 marines ALWAYS qued up after that move to the tch y want if you do this expansion and technology will be easy as well as having a decent army with a specialized technology unit that you want ( tech = expensive units like ghosts and thors anshees)

[AQWNIGHTSTALKER75]

ok how can you counter this...

[vincent78433]

can you feedback a orbital command??

nerdrage lol :D

[vincent78433]

can you feedback a orbital command??

[russiankgbagent9]

@vincent78433 no, but you can emp it

[MrNarutofreak100]

What dont you touch on o-o ?

[Jib1337]

seriously guys, all you have to do to nullify ANY strategy is SCOUT EFFECTIVELY. if you walk into his base and see 2 refineries early on, he's going cloaked banshees. if he's doing that, GO KILL HIM, because he put all his resources in cloak and structures that he can't have any units. pump out marines, queens or stalkers and go rape his base.

[anomolis]

rofl it is so true. banshee rush is such cheese. worse than 6 pool imo

[XanaX93]

This has been my usual strategy since I was placed as 20th in the Bronze League, after Marine-Marauder rush stopped working. And I'd say if you don't really know what strategy to use, I really recommend this! It rarely ends up losing. Thanks for the video, this helps me to make my strategy even better :)

[Antimidate]

You do not know how annoying this is to defend as Protoss.

[vincent78433]

@Antimidate just get a phoenix and banshee it's that simpel yet i always find this tactic so annoying to defend as well butt just as annoying as fast muta's though

[LordFr0sty]

@lygophile the reason he doesn't create the tech lab on the barracks is because he needs his barracks to continue to pump out units to defend his base and he doesn't have any intention on building any units from the factory at this point

[lygophile]

why not build the tech lab on the barracks?

[Jib1337]

@lygophile because then he couldn't make marines, and tech labs are fast enough that you don't need to get them early. you could start the tech lab when the starport was 50% done and get it in time.

[fatburger27]

holyyy shitt man. The first time i did this it went really well. Thanks so much! keep up the great work bro.

[Meldivh]

Cool strategy!

[Zmapes89]

Did somebody say Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker?

[Loganpalmateer]

kung-fu panda?

[mage8390]

WASSUUPP

I love these videos. General early strategies like these REALLY help my game.

[SKTroop979]

why didnt u seal off your base?

[love516music]

Kung Fu Panda...

[Zappzarrap]

Thank you @pmtl3000 and @zbindenz - Will try that...Unfortunately I´m still a noob, but I´m improving - everyone had to start once, eh?

[pmtl3000]

@Zappzarrap There's a a strategy vid made by Force which shows a good strategy against fast teching (which is this case) where you'd mass marines early on. It's called the 4 Barracks strategy I think.

[Edy5656]

you don't have the step by step under the info like you usually do, i usually find that very helpful :S

[Zappzarrap]

How do I counter this strategy? Suffered from it a few times now :(

Great vids btw Force ;)

[zbindenz]

@Zappzarrap a couple of things you can do. if you scout and notice he might be going for banchees you can either get a fast raven with some marines or just drop some turrets down to stop his production of the banchee and force him to switch his tech. a great thing you can do is if you make him switch his tech try and guess what hes going for and counter that before he even makes it himself.

[BusterXXXL]

@zbindenz A fast raven needs as long as a fast banshee to produce, so this only works, when you went hightech fast air yourself.

Missile turrets are the other obvious solution to spot cloaked harrassers near your base.

You will need an engineering bay to build them, but its only 125 minerals, build time 35 and if you go bioball, you will want to have it anyway to upgrade your troops. Only requisite is CC.

[cutiepe2ce]

@Zappzarrap if u wanna counter this stragety,one barrack with reactor spawning marines. Two Starports with Tech lab,Raven out first. From there,pump out banshee

[kevwuT]

Hey Force, quick question about adapting this build. I'm in diamond at the moment and used this in a TvT game but the opponent didn't make mules and used all the energy on scans, so he had a raven and vikings when I made my banshee. What should I switch it up to after? He attacked me with a small bio ball and 3-4 tanks and wiped me without a problem.

[russellk0431]

@kevwuT This is strange, since he hasn't been using mules throughout the game and he doesn't have the economic advantage over you. To have those sort of units out to match your fast banshees, is odd, because it would take a powerful economy. If he had a raven AND vikings plus a pretty sturdy ground force by the time you got your banshee, then your doing something wrong. Oh and be sure to scout! Remember if you had seen this coming, you would have ditched the banshees in favor of something else.

[kevwuT]

@russellk0431 I saw it coming, but by then was unsure what to go for. My first banshee got killed by his viking and I didn't assume he would go raven so I finished the second along with cloak. After that I definitely did not have enough to stop his 3-4 tanks and marine push.

[BusterXXXL]

@kevwuT Maybe hold your first banshee back until cloak is done? If you start researching stealth at the same time you start to build your first banshee, their shouldnt be much of a timing difference anyway, and two cloaked banshees can do much more damage than one, before he can move his marines to stop your harrass.

[JTMarlin8]

What's the best counter to this strategy if your opponent is doing it? Missile turret + Marines or Vikings + Ravens?

[LulzRoyce]

kfpanda? kentucky fried panda? lol

[Shadytree4]

hmm not bad 5 mins and some change i normally have 2 starports and have banshees pumping non stop between 6 mins and some change.

[TheOptimusjb]

so do you keep on spawning marines

[skrapmaja]

Plz dont show both teams! It would help if i saw what the player seing so i know how i can do when i se the same thing in a match!!

I love your strategies otherwise!!! :D

[Vampyreq]

Why not tech lab the barracks since in this video it's much closer to the starport than the factory. Every second counts right?

[sevende7]

@Vampyreq

You're gonna want to leave your barracks open to pump marines w/ excess minerals. The reason why the factory is used is that you for sure aren't going to be using it until after your first banshee begins building.

[SaintAvalon]

Awesome post, and the sense of humor really helps making the replay watching good, as well as the info to help create a good play style. Good movies :)

[levlobotomy]

KFPandA: "k f p anda" lol..how about "k f panda" or "kentucky friend panda" ? :P

[SwissDonutFactory]

@levlobotomy u know the f of kfc is for fried not friend... fail?

[levlobotomy]

@SwissDonutFactory orly? i'm sure most people saw it was a typo, or didn't even notice in the first place. so yeah, have a nice one mate!

[GrimSoul66]

@levlobotomy Or in firench it's PFK not KFC.

[Anderso9]

@levlobotomy " Its finger Ling Ling good!!!"........oh the simpsons

[AZNPR1D31]

@levlobotomy what about kung fu panda? xD

[IdieinBh]

@levlobotomy That's illegal.

[maxsagibgareev]

how many scv's to fully saturate a mineral? thx

[BrianTakesValium]

@maxsagibgareev well 3, but you stop gaining after 2

[WikitronNinja]

I never realized the trick with moving building to already built tech labs. Thumbs up for stealth tactics. Anthother thumbs up for being on of the best guides arounds.

[bilingualjc]

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[Caiddenn]

The funny thing is that he had an engineering bay... any smart player would have started a missile turret in the mineral line the instant he saw your first banshee. You can target the SCV, but he could also start building multiple turrets forcing you to retreat.

[LulzRoyce]

@Caiddenn

He's totally right. Anyone with a brain would start pumping 2 or 3 turrets at once. Plus I can spot the cloaked units and I run all my marines right under it before i scan to give me the most time to shoot it down before it flies out of range. You were playing against a scrub lol as he said himself

[codygautreau]

This doesn't look insanely effective considering he didn't wall in =\

Any push against blue's base would've dominated him

[DevlinEdora]

@codygautreau Walling in against other terran players isn't all that effective, since they have the same range as you. Sometimes they're actually able to get shots on your buildings and you can't return fire.

[uclaisthebest123]

@codygautreau That's very true, which is why when I use this strategy I get 2-3 bunkers full of marines near my choke to fend off a counter attack as soon as he realizes he's screwed against the cloaked banshees. In this situation he could have pushed out and turned this into a base race, which he probably would have won considering how many more units he had.

[SCIrishBear]

Banshee is my favorite unit in SC2, I've been using it in anyway I can, and started getting it asap to find out it can really slow down someones economy.

[n8makar]

this won me a game tonight. guy had no clue at all. thanks for your work. big help to newbies like myself.

[downscreen129103]

lol, i don't even think that guy scouted at all. It's his own fault for not seeing what his opponent what doing.

[Traynor106]

Could the terran player not of just air lifted buildings? then you couldnt attack them

[Spetsnaz1220]

@Traynor106 what could he do if he airlifted? he wouldnt be able to get rescources and the guy could just vikings

[MrRomple]

@Traynor106 @Traynor106 Well then they have no production and no economy while you're constantly pumping out more units. And then all you need is 1 viking to run around destroying them all.

Most likely they'll try pushing out marines and building missile turrets. Someone I played last night tried to do this. And he did try lifting his buildings and moving. But he had 0 SCVs left, no army, and I had 5 banshees with a bunch of marines and some siege tanks sitting at his entrance. It's just late

[daikirai1]

loool at the rage

[Toshibasan]

he didn't get turrets cause infact most people don't get turrets until later, he wasn't planning on turtling it...

but yes, he should have got one in this TvT cause of the fear of a cheese banshee

[thedudedylan]

one suggestion would it be possible for you to post the build orders of these strats on your site.

[iamtheoneneo]

haha gg scrub you arent good? lmao hes the proper scrubb there! he had a bloody lab but failed to build turrents? oh dear................

[Delianswift]

@iamtheoneneo

... did you mean engineering bay?

[fanaticsim]

Is that red terran allergic to getting a bunch of turrets? He has the money.

[thehill2240]

I really think terran is a little overpowered when it comes to detecting cloaked units compared to the other races.

[AJOPDX]

I kinda agree with you, Terran have scanner sweep, ravens, and missiles, and I can't remember right now, but doesn't the sensor tower do it too?

[BlancoStudios2002]

@AJOPDX No it doesn't

[Delianswift]

@AJOPDX

Pretty sure sensor tower isn't a detector.

[JimmyyoJimmy]

@Delianswift

Sensor Tower and Raven are both detectors

[AJOPDX]

@Delianswift sorry, it does show unit location, but it doesn't reveal things like dark templar or ghosts for you to attack.

[Lollercoasterism]

@thehill2240 Agreed

[IIskateE18II]

kfpanda= kung fu panda

[thedudedylan]

if you keep supplying use wth quality vids like this then i will keep the donations coming. i want to see this channel do good.

quality work man

[zlaw777]

whats the best way to know if your mineral line is fully saturated?

[SpankyDmonkey2]

@zlaw777 I don't remember where I read this, but I read that if you have 16 workers on your mineral line, than it is completely saturated. Any more will be wasting workers. Btw this doesn't count for mules, if you get 16 workers and a mule, it will still give extra resources.

[Lestat13TheVampire]

@SpankyDmonkey2 16 is when diminishing returns kick in, idiot, don't respond when you're just going to mess other people up.

[xMizuKun]

@Lestat13TheVampire i hate you. you made me remember economics from high school... D:

[SpankyDmonkey2]

@Lestat13TheVampire Well, I'm sorry for being slightly off, my tiny brain sometimes malfunctions. What happened Lestat? Woke up on the wrong side of the coffin? Jeeze dude all you had to say I was wrong, not call me a idiot. I hope your not a teacher, cause you would be one hell of a teacher.

[RsKWonder]

@zlaw777 You Know it's over Saturated When Scv's Probes Or Drones Constantly Move around looking for an open Mineral patch cause you can only have 2 per patch because they time perfectly when one is minning and one is returning to the CC NExus Or Hatchert

[pepe2c]

hmmm best to make a wall 2 prevent early scout and counter? =P