Third Party fails, Obama wins!

[Otterlover21]

Ron Paul is who I supported as well!

Yes, rediculed, unwanted saviour!

But yes, with any candidate, you have to do your homework. Glad to hear there are voters who actually do their research!

[Thorbie]

Furthermore, Ron Paul is not an example of a 3rd party movement. He ran as a Republican this time and only got 1.6% of the Republican delegates. When he ran as a 3rd party in 1988 he got about 430,000 votes nationally. Ross Perot who ran in 1992 and 1996 as an independent won almost 20,000,000 and 8,000,000 respectively. You have no idea what you're talking about. You just like to sound like you do. Please refrain from talking about things you know nothing about. People see though you.

[MrDeppness]

When Ron Paul ran as a Republican last year, he was in reality serving the interest of Libertarians, which is liberty. That's essentially 3rd party's message, now isn't it? The reason is because he would never have made the debates without first going to the arena with all the power - the two party system. I know what I am talking about so you better take notes. And please refrain from passing insults on my video or I will have you banished to Greenland.

[Thorbie]

libertarians are also members of the Republican Party. Libertarians can be members of any party or even be declined to state. Liberty doesn't have to be a 3rd party message. No party owns the rights to a platform. Ron Paul ran as a major party candidate. Regardless, I simply pointed out that he did terribly compared to successful third party runs, such as Ross Perot. You don't know what you're talking about. Stop acting like you do. Please please please take a PoliSci class for gods sake

[MrDeppness]

Liberty you would hope doesn't have to be a third party message, but right now IT IS. Name one politician in either major party who has even whispered that word in 30 yrs. Ross Perot did better because he bought his way in, but at least he made himself known. He had self-confidence and a loud voice and believe me, 3rd party really needs that right now.

[Thorbie]

Ron Paul is a Republican. Most people who call for smaller government are Republicans. True that no party has been that friendly to liberty since Reagan, but you voted for Obama. You didn't even vote for the ideal you claim to value. Why didn't you vote LP then? At the same time you laud Ron Paul, while voting against the values he stands for. You seem to be someone who likes to jump on the bandwagon of anything gaining in popularity, and act like you know what you're talking about.

[MrDeppness]

I swear you are as dense as they come. Do you not PAY ATTENTION to anything I say? Ron Paul is the ONLY Republican or Third party candidate that earned my vote. The ONLY one! Baldwin and Barr were pathetic lame ass religious hicks. I am not throwing my vote away on someone who didn't work for it. It's called principle. Look it up!

As for band wagon, you think Ron Paul was the hot ticket? He was barely getting press AT ALL and I stuck by him to the end. Just shut it before you get hurt. OWNED.

[Thorbie]

Look you apparently lack any knowledge of how the two party system works. The system as of now is designed to make 3rd parties fail. The two major parties constitute many ideologies, while 3rd parties tend to be more about ideological purity. The media doesn't cover 3rd parties, because people aren't interested in them, because they are so small. That's the same reason they aren't invited to debates. In many cases they can't even get on the ballot unless they fill out enough signatures.

[MrDeppness]

I understand this but what I am doing is cutting to the root of the problem in effort to see 3rd party become relevant. You can keep making excusing all day long, but you're not the one actually forcing accountability from 3rd party to make a difference. I am. So apparently you have no idea how common sense and elections work.

[Thorbie]

Look if you think the best way to help 3rd parties is to punish them for not being as big or as popular as the two major parties, you're going to hurt them more. If you truly value the policies of a 3rd party and you want them to win, you should support them by voting for their candidates, making campaign donations and volunteering. If you think they should come to you, while you sit on your ass, they're not going to be helped much. If you don't care about 3rd parties, the just stop this bs.

[MrDeppness]

I do support 3rd party in many ways but I am also bringing in the reality check people like you are too afraid to accept. I will offer my patronage, but in the end of the day if I don't sense strong, dependable LEADERSHIP, I won't vote. What matters more than the principles one runs on is the character of that person. After all, when it comes down to it we are electing the man, not his campaign rhetoric. Dwell on that for a good minute.

[Thorbie]

I'm not even a 3rd party voter. I just think your words and actions lack logic. What you request is too high a demand for a 3rd party to meet. What your asking for is either someone with $4 billion to run a 3rd party campaign or a 3rd party to pile up debt running 2+ years ahead of an election just to impress you enough with their desire to win, and not with their values. It's retarded. If you agreed with Ron Paul you wouldn't have voted for Obama. Just stop pretending (in general).

[MrDeppness]

Unless the candidate has a long open service history, I do not know their values, only their RHETORIC. What Bob Barr or Chuck Baldwin say means very little to me. They all say what you want to hear. I want to KNOW who they are by KNOWING what they have been. If they are a new guy they have an extra big job ahead of them not just selling the message, but proving their worth. It's very cheap to get the word out early and start getting serious. It's called INTERNET, not traveling. OWNED again bub.

[spykerlol]

lol just let them talk dont talk so much

[moviewizmelonie]

i can see RIGHT through you. you're like zac efron, for example. you have what's called 'fake-confidence'. stupid people, like these dumbass youtube fans you have, won't see it. they're not perceptive enough. but me and everyone i know would clearly see it. you have a weak ego, and it's sad to see what you've created. either drop the shallow 'mrdeppness' bullshit, or no one IMPORTANT is going to take you serious. but sadly youve already shown some your true colors, which can't be undone. lol

[MrDeppness]

Well, just look at you -- full of miscalculations, false judgments, ignorant insinuations, biased insults and protestations of absurdity. You must be some work. Before harassing me or my "fans" try pulling your ugly head out of your tight ass. My wit or ego cannot be matched by you or any of your bored, hypocritical like-minded friends. There's nothing fake or insincere about me. I know you must get your kicks by finding someone online to bother, but try something else instead, like blinking.

[moviewizmelonie]

you think that someday in some interview you're gonna say "oh, well i never really 'wanted' to be an actor, even though i am.. it just kinda happened"

but guess what, you geek? you won't EVER be taken seriously, just for the fact that you attempted to be someone you're not. people hate phonies. that's absolutely what you are - a phony. LOL@ your little resume on your myspace. trust me, you won't get past those little 150$ jobs you've done by playing a 'partygoer' on CSI. pfffffftt.

[MrDeppness]

First of all moron, people DO like phonies. Look at all the names in pop culture and tell me what is real about them. Secondly, I'm not an actor and never said I was. I'm a Polymath. Look it up Lester Green. Third, I am as REAL as they come. Sad you can't tell the difference. Forth, when I want a third-rate opinion like yours, I'll take a deep look into a toilet bowl. And last but not least, the dollar sign goes BEFORE the amount, not after.

You lose! Good day sir!

[xartificex]

I really love and admire your level head approach to discussing politics and you views, Your reasoning ability is refreshing

[MrDeppness]

And so it your comment. Thank you.

[bradwjensen]

I voted for Chuck Baldwin even though I now feel I should have wrote-in Ron Paul..

Obama has absolutely no answer to any of our problems, without making the problems worse or creating large new problems.

[MrDeppness]

Obama has SOME answers but he can only be guessing on most of them. I agree that we need to listen to what Ron Paul says and that's to understand what is causing all these financial and global problems and to take a completely new course of undoing it rather than trying to borrow or bail our way out of it with printed paper money.

[lovelordi13]

omg... you looks ile a Johnny Depp sooo much! I love you! ^^

[MrDeppness]

Thank you, but you might want to pay attention to what I say too silly. ;)

[KailenNAudrey]

GOOOOOOOD Point

[thinkrevolution]

Obama wins, fascism wins.. America loses.

[MrDeppness]

Actually you are mistaken. George W Bush was the power-craving fascist. The first thing Obama wants to do is correct the policies Bush created that break the constitution and promote openness of govt so WE THE PEOPLE can be sure our govt is working for US. DO YOUR RESEARCH!

[thinkrevolution]

No, actually I'm not "mistaken". Quit reading the propaganda crap on BarackObama. com and do the research for yourself.

Obama = more wars, more tyranny, more warrantless spying, wiretapping, more 'Patriot' Acts, more interventionism, more government control, more government bureaucracy, and the list goes on.

I sure hope you remove the wool from your eyes when all of this starts happening. Obama has already appointment is connected with zionist terrorism and also with Freddie Mac!

[MrDeppness]

First of all, I don't study from websites very much. I study their accomplishments by legit sources then listen to them speak and decide from there.

Secondly, Obama wants to end Iraq war and hike up Afghanistan. That's where bin Laden went. Bush despite more war than we've ever seen from a Pres left work to be done.

Third, Obama has met with many important people/groups and will continue. It's his job now as Pres-Elect. He's got a serious job to do. Get used to it. Just keep him accountable.

[Fighting31st]

What Obama says he wants do do, and his actual agenda are both very different.

[MrDeppness]

Don't be a pessimist. All we have right now is hope. Let's move along with that and hold him and his Administration accountable every step of the way.

[Aesonseth]

The things u say aren't sayable with any confidence.. Obama = more wars? How would you know? Has he declared war on anyone? no. Obama hasn't done anything yet.

[MrDeppness]

Exactly. Bush left a wealth of work to be done with the bin Laden family. He let them go and diverted attention into Iraq and now we have to end that war and play catch-up. It's a disgrace.

[chromedreamz]

i disagree with 20-30% for good 3rd party- that would take Billions like Ross Perot- Even Ron Paul would only get 6-8% max i guess-he is still obscure to many-sheep-would have been nice to have Paul-If he ran,He would have sent a huge precedant-Their are TPTB, and they are an unknown what part they play, along with Pauls person isues

But no doubt agree none of these 3rd party candidates deserve crap- they are so unknown and have no idea what they are doing now that I think about it

[MrDeppness]

Absolutely. That's my complaint precisely. America needs the leader of a movement. Ron Paul was that leader and when he gave up, the heart of that movement died. Without the proper representation, the revolution will keep shrinking and shrinking. They need to get serious and really do something that will matter. They need to come together, win the confidence of men and do this.

[thinkrevolution]

Ron Paul didn't "give up". Would you shut the hell up about that crap? YOU are the one who gave up by choosing to leave the liberty movement and start supporting a complete big-government socialist!! Get ready for more bailouts of the corrupt banks who fund and control Lord Obama!!

[MrDeppness]

Ron Paul ended his Republican campaign and refused to run as Libertarian saying he did that before and it was a joke, nobody listens or votes for them. Then what does he he do? Instead of putting all the momentum of his Revolutionary Rep Campaign into the Lib ticket, he waits until just weeks before the election to endorse an even rarer candidate and in even more obscure party that didn't even make ballots in most states. Essentially RP threw away 2-5 million votes to give Baldwin 185000. AGHH!!

[RIHeron76]

Here's the thing, there are enough people voting for Obama. Baldwin only came in so late, because he was supporting R. Paul. The reason you don't hear from the third parties is because of the biased system set in place by the Dems/Rep.

[MrDeppness]

Here's the thing. No. That kind of thinking will get McCain elected and end our country. There's no excuse. Third party deliberately chose to wait until last minute. If Ron Paul wasn't going to run as Libertarian he should have endorsed someone immediately after quitting instead of waiting until right before the election. Really I am upset that Ron Paul didn't do that otherwise run himself. Libertarians need real direction, goals and leadership like I mentioned in my last comment. Read it.

[chromedreamz]

Agree Baldwin, Barr did little to get exposure-and Baldwin should have advertised more his endoresoemt of him from paul, but again he was too late-and Barr same-I never would have know then unless I was Libertarian,and they are too few to begin with.Nadar running on the past-Nadar got 3mil+ votes in 2000- that is more than these conbined will get

Now if R Paul ran-that would be an interesting number- too bad

His "write in votes will hurt 3rd party votes too.I dont 100% disagree with your point

[MrDeppness]

So surely you understand that if third party ran their campaign with the confidence and attitude of Obama and all worked together they might be getting somewhere. But they are fighting for 6% when there could be 1 candidate for 15 or 20% instead. Really disappointing on so many levels. I hope Paul, Nader, Baldwin and Barr watch this video and read the comments. Maybe they'll learn for next time and not let me down. They have a lot to learn if they wish to be relevant.

[chromedreamz]

to reiterate what I said- U say 3rd party needs 30% to prove to you- well how can they when the arent allowed in debates. Perot (3rd party) got 19%- and thats why Clinton Beat Bush1- now you wonder why theirs no 3rd party gettin double digit votes, That was the last time (wonder why) no debates, nO media, no votes- too many sheep- too many fuckin NEOCONS

[MrDeppness]

I honestly think if third party makes a convincing case, starts their campaign early, sets huge goals and goes out like a conqueror to achieve them, the prospects will be significantly greater. But they talk with such wimpy voices and come off as winers or radicals. They need to take courses on leadership, study Dale Carnegie and get some lead in their spines. Winners thunder forth to victory. As long as their small-minded attitude continues their small accomplishments will follow as always.

[chromedreamz]

Im a libertarian- watchin those debates is the same old song and dance- plus, those neocons blackballed 3rd party from debates,(remember Perot'stole" Bush1), so thngs changed, so it aint easy to get recognized, specially with help from the media (govt)

once jan 20 - washington as ussual

to each their own however, this is principle to me, not about stealing votes, this is the end my friend

as far as Obama, Hitler also United people, and Obama is anti Gun, ouch

But still unsure of him,untested

[thinkrevolution]

If you're voting for Barack Obama you are NOT a true libertarian. Because that would mean you are voting against literally everything that you're supposed to stand for.

So, NO THANKS!! I will NOT support evil.

I'm not trying to pick a winning candidate. I'm voting my principles and I will NOT vote for tyranny! Sorry.

[MrDeppness]

There's more to cause than ideology my stubborn friend. I'm a Libertarian by virtue of not suffering to include myself in both major parties, but that doesn't mean I can't support a candidate in one of those parties if they offer me a convincing platform and work hard. Libertarians are in disarray right now. They have no message, no face and no name. They haven't taken my vote seriously and therefore I cannot vote for them. It takes more than limited govt to sway me. I demand STRONG leadership.

[Thorbie]

"It takes more than limited govt to sway me. I demand STRONG leadership"

Lol...libertarian fail

I think you mixed up libertarian with statist right there. You are not a friend to freedom then. Doesn't matter who you support or what party you belong to. If you say limited government isn't what you want and "strong leadership" is, then you sir are no libertarian.

[MrDeppness]

First of all you, are misquoting me so be careful on your quotes.

Secondly, I never said I didn't want limited govt. I do. But I also want STRONG leadership. Baldwin is a spineless coward. Kucinich has the heart of a lion. Believe me that makes all the difference. Principles mean nothing in the heat of the moment. Only courage and bombastic tenacity will hold you true to fight till the end. So don't give me crap about having STRONG leadership. Two words for you my friend: George Washington.

[Thorbie]

Kucinich??? lol. Wow you really don't know what a libertarian is do you? Kucinich is more for big government than Obama is. George Washington was for freedom though. That's a bad example. It would be like if you said you'd support FDR over Calvin Cooldige, because FDR seems like a stronger leader than the hands off Coolidge. Basically you'd prefer a strong leader over liberty. If you'd consider a socialsit like Kucinich at all, then that proves it. Btw, I'm not your friend, guy

[MrDeppness]

Yes Kucinich because like I said before the man has integrity and courage. Last June he stood on the floor for 5 hrs pronouncing his then written 35 Articles of Impeachment against George W Bush. Also h's been making noise about home owners losing homes, Wall St and AIG bonuses, the Iraq War. He's not a Libertarian but he has more character. You have to look beyond verbatim and see people for their humanity. With liberty a strong leader is not needed, but a weak leader will risk even liberty.

[MrDeppness]

P.S. Ron Paul himself considered Kucinich as his running mate in 2008 and vice-versa.

P.P.S. I never asked you to be my friend. ;)

[Thorbie]

Look I just think you're an ignorant idiot in the vein of a will ferrell movie character. You're asking a third party to step it up to get out their message to you, like they have any money to get such exposure or support. Most third parties "jump in" in the election year, because they have no money. You seem to think that 3rd parties are lazy or something. To ask a candidate to run 2+ years ahead of an election is the most retarded thing anyone's ever said, let alone a 3rd party candidate.

[MrDeppness]

You're right. Solid marketing and a strong campaign is something out of a Will Ferrel movie. After all, running two years ahead of the election is what Barack Obama did and we don't want third party to have the kind of results he did in November. Much better to jump in at the end and get 1% of the vote again, then disappear back into the lamp for another 3 years and 10 months. Then when the time comes, a-rub-a-da lamp, make your three wishes, and back he goes into his itty-bitty living space.

[Thorbie]

My point is they don't "jump in" at the last second. It's a combination of you not caring to look them up and third parties having a lack of money. Obama could make a third party's entire campaign budget in a weekend of a donations. To ask that a third party to start spending what little money they have 2+ years before an election is insane. You apparently think they just don't want it enough or something, or the only non lazy parties are the Dems and the GOP.

[MrDeppness]

The problem is they lack leadership, mass appeal and a strong connection in their message to the public. The best I have seen is Ron Paul's presidential campaign. We need to do that again times 10 if we want any kind of significant influence at all. We need to reach the average person on all levels. We can do this. We need to be smarter.

[Gwendolynisalive]

I think Ron Pual is a great man! I would of loved to see him get farther... but the media pretty much controls who gets farthest. =/

as far as Obama, I don't know about the man. He has spent over a half billion dollars on his campaign so far- the most money ever spent on an election, sounds typical and wasteful. He has wanted to be president for a whopping two years. He also supports partial birth abortion (when scissors are jammed into a babies brain) he sure is charismatic though.

[MrDeppness]

What does your comment have to do with the Economy, Foreign Policy, Tax cuts, Energy Independence or Healthcare? These are the real issues we all should be talking about here. I'm telling you, Obama has answers. I have been voraciously studying his speeches and policies for months now. No doubt about it, the man is ready to lead. My standards are high and he wouldn't pass them unless he was the best of the best, or at least second best of the best! ;)

[Gwendolynisalive]

different voters, have different concerns. :)

My family owns a small business that will actually get higher taxes, the US business tax rate is already the 2nd highest in the world at 39.25%

and partial birth abortion is a HUGE issue for me. I believe in the value of human life; I do realize this is not a popular viewpoint. But when over a million abortions happen every year, and 99% of those are for convenience, something is wrong.

[Gwendolynisalive]

The media says Obama will win though, so I guess we will see if he really can walk on water soon.

It's just a tough election overall though....everyone is jaded, no one trusts politicians...and why would they?

Tuesday will be fun though! It's so great that everyone got so passionate about this election... maybe I was just younger, but this one has seemed more intense.

Regardless of our different viewpoints, I think you're great. :)

oh yeah and sorry for writing HUGE comments =/

[niher1]

I already voted absentee for Barr. I didn't have any of the same criteria as Mr. Depness. I simply voted based solely on principal.Principal is the main reason that I always vote Libertarian. In fact I was a life long Libertarian until the Paulbots made me switch to Republican. Don't get me wrong, I love Ron Paul, but he dropped out, so I had to vote for Barr.

[MrDeppness]

I vote principle as well and a man who doesn't do his work and jumps in last minute to me lacks the principle of being respectable and trustworthy. I want a man I can depend on all the time, not just last minute when the final decision needs to be made. Besides did you know Barr voted FOR the Iraq war AND the Patriot Act?

[niher1]

He didn't really jump right in. He's been running for quite awhile, but all of our attention was on Ron Paul before that. He had been running, but did not get the nomination until the Libertarians had their convention over the summer. Yes he did vote for these and has expressed concern and regret over these decisions.I am not the type of person that holds a grudge and I also believe in redemption. If Bush had expressed regret and admitted that he had made a huge amount of errors after 9/11, I wo

[cookiesonsteve]

HEY I live in the U.S. and I'm thinking the same thing. That if another terrorist attack was to occur, what is he going to do?

[MrDeppness]

Go after them and not waste lives, time and money invading the wrong country like Bush and McCain did these past 6 yrs. That's why Obama plans to go after bin Laden in the hills of Pakistan and Afghanistan and end the pointless war in Iraq. Ron Paul said it and now Barack Obama is going to do it!

[cookiesonsteve]

I understand your POV but like you said, Ron Paul DID go up against everyone and tried to fight for our freedom but the media will only display those who will bring them ratings. I am quite disappointed, as we ALL are, but we are going to be even more disappointed if Obama becomes elected. I agree that he "does his work" and is a great charmer as I found myself brainwashed by his infomercial on the 29th. I'm voting 3rd party. My vote will not be wasted because I vote for freedom and liberty.

[MrDeppness]

If RP chose to jump on the Libertarian ticket I'd vote for him because he put up a real fight and earned my confidence. But the fact is he dropped out and endorsed some no-name hill billy church guy. Sorry, not happening. I'm not throwing my voice away over him. I'm not going to the front lines of a losing battle. That's not bravery, it's stupidity. If you want to be smart about it, get on 3rd party's case to get serious for next time. Besides, Obama isn't a charmer. He has redemptive policies.

[cookiesonsteve]

His policies and rhetoric sound really appealing, but on paper they really don't work. On top of that he is a liar and he and

Biden both voted for a tax increase on anyone making over 42,000 per year in the senate while running on the promise to lower our taxes. It is easy to be taken in by flowery promises. Millions of Russians believed in Lenin. Look at where it got them.

[13percentDEPP]

Woo Obama!! Haha, how smart did that just sound, compared to you whole intellectual speech...

You know, your voice would be absolutelly perfect for talk radio. Calming, charming, and you're very deep.......

[MrDeppness]

Yes but normally radio talk show hosts have big obnoxious voices, and that's sooooo not me! =P

[13percentDEPP]

Oh, i don't listen that much. Um, well maybe you could be one of those 'book on tape' dudes. I'm listening to Dracula and the guy's voice is low and charming, as i said your voice is. (^_^) Also, he uses an accent. You're pretty good at that! XD

[capitalistinside]

You pose a remarkably disregarded argument and it's unfortunate for us that people have not raised it as you have.However,Ron Paul admittedly stepped into the race unorganized as well and became suddenly inflamed in glory by his message(people caught on as they should have).He says he didn't even plan for it!And yet you still were 100% behind him.Obama and Paul have opposing views and records;I don't see your logic in jumping to Obama.Why did you choose him?Nader has better views than Obama.

[MrDeppness]

I strongly agree. This is something that should be spoken about in every 3rd party meeting, convention, debate and forum on the net. If they ran their campaigns like a normal campaign they would have a chance, but what do they do? They jump in last minute and bat their eyelids at us. Give me a break. I am not going to throw a rope for a man that willingly jumped off a cliff. Please pass this video around. Also, look into Obama's youtube vids, namely his Blueprints to get a better idea. Thanks!

[cookiesonsteve]

You just said it. They get more publicity over the net that the most utilized source, the television. Have you seen where they put 3rd party debates? They sit them in chairs with no podiums and by the sound of it, the room must be no larger than my living room. How is that Fair and Balanced? If Obama does win, and further destroys the country, it will make way for a strong 3rd party candidate ;) As WE THE PEOPLE ARE JUST GETTING STARTED!

[MrDeppness]

Well, either way we should awaken Americans about the Federal Reserve, non-interventionist foreign policy, sound money, free markets and all the things RP talked about but I'm not too worried about Obama and the economy. He has great ideas and a viable plan to get there. He's really well put together and responsible. McCain is the disaster we must prevent here.

[SouthHamptonLady]

And I tend to agree. The strong people in Governments all over not just here believe McCann would do a better job. I was told and I do not know how true this is because I have just not been following it like I should that if Senator Obama applied to be an FBI agent he couldn't because of his past associations yet he can be the President of the United States. Is this true? I do not miss politics. Yes, I do not miss it at all.

Fi

[MrDeppness]

I would not worry. There's a lot of fear mongering going on about Obama because he is something very unfamiliar to the establishment. The majority of the entire world prefers Obama to McCain by a landslide and the reason is simply that Obama is not quick to war. He wants to solve problems and win allies, not create enemies and perpetual war. Obama wants America to be the leader again. Check my description for links. Thanks!