I LOVE him, I use his methods with my Rottweilers! and my dogs are gentle giants because of it! Im the Pack leader in my home! and I can do anything with my dogs!
he talks total nonsense. anybody who knows anything about animal behavior can only be horrified by what he does to dogs. watch the show with the volume turned down and look at the dogs. they're having a miserable time. he has taken dog training back 30 years. Even Barbara woodhouse treated dogs better, and that's really saying something. He just says what people want to hear. God help the dogs!
you are just another of those owners out there who treat a dog the same way you would treat a 3 years old kid. Like we are supposed to sit there with the dog and have a conversation to tell them not to do this or that right?
It's fascinating to hear Cesar talk in-depth about his approach to dog training. He sees dogs from the inside-out and respects their basic nature, not turning them into 4-legged human children, but working with their canine way of being in the world. And his love for dogs is obvious. Great clip.
stooge my point that im trying to get across is cesar does not abuse the dogs. im not saying he is even close to being a great trainer, he just correcting behaviour of dogs who have been poorly trained in the past. his methods are not abusive in the slightest. save your animal abuse complaints for true cases of abuse. just so you can see what abuse is i have a few clips for you:
there is such thing as bully breed... its not a term as this breed bullies other, it means they come from bulldog.... like boxer, pitbulls, american bulldog...
No there are power breeds but in no way shape or form are they naturally "bullies" A small dog could be a bully. I have plenty of pits and rots that wouldnt hurt a fly, but thats because thier trainers had given them plenty of rules and social behaviour.
Just cause black people are physically stronger then other cultures, doesnt mean they are all using thier strength to hurt others.
ur not getting it... its not bully as in this dog is a bully... it just means breeds of dog originating from bulldogs... there is such a thing as bully breeds... but it doesnt mean they are bullying people or dogs around. and rottweilers are not bully breeds.... but pibull, amstaff, american bully, american bulldog, boxers... they are bully breeds...
dont apologize, its all good. rottweilers come from italian mastiffs. rottweilers are the 9th smartest breed in the world... they are a combination of big strength and high intelligence... at the same time they are considered to be calm indoors... its important that u get puppy classes and obedience classes for that rott... rottweilers are prone to being territorial and then dog aggressive but as a young puppy u can eliminate it. good luck.
"Just cause black people are physically stronger then other cultures, doesnt mean they are all using thier strength to hurt others."--ChilenoPiscean22
You get to hear from all kinds of stupid people on youtube.
I do have an issue with a very specific faction within the dog "training" community who have targeted Cesar (along with anyone else) who is not part of their "clicker clique". I do take issue with these same APDT members who are involved in a very organized smear crusade of lies, letter writing campaigns, petitions, and emotional manipulation in order to sell their beliefs for a buck rather than put the needs of the dog and owner, first.
I think Cesar has already PROVED that he IS capable of training dogs.....your just jealous that you don't have the big bucks in your hand. But he worked his ass. Did you?
What he has proven is that if you hit them hard enough and often enough, you will drive it into a state of learned helplessness. But we knew that long ago.
Cesar Millan is a criminal and a shifty, snake oil salesman, selling quick fixes to a largely ignorant audience. He has one simple solution to all problems: HIT IT! His brutal approach appeals to the lazy dog owner who is not interested in communicating with the animal but is more interested in "dominating" it with brutal force.
Excuse me......how do you know? Did he hit the dogs? He worked his ass off and he loves dogs. It's so obvious. And here you come making some fucking comment. What a bitch. Serilously..get a LIFE. Cesar worked for this. I'm guessing you must be some poor homo who wants some money but can't seem to get it. Fuck you.
Well I think Cesar is awesome. I like the fact that he treats dogs as dogs not as human replicas. So all those that think that he is brutal are usually those that buy little dresses for their dogs and oppress their nature. Now that is brutal.
you don't know what hitting is. your obviously a spoiled brat if you think that what he does is hitting. you should have gone to school when they had the strap and you'd find out what hitting is
im sure youve got better credentials than cesar you fat shit. its easy to criticize someone from behind the keyboard with a fucking twinky in you mouth. your probably one who thinks their dogs are well trained but everyone else sees how out of control they are. and i see your comments about him 'hitting' dogs. he doesn't hit dogs open your fucking eyes. tapping is not hitting. maybe you should show a little self discipline with stuffing your face before you try working on dogs
You inbred dime bag whore, Cesar has no credentials unless you consider sneaking illegally into a country a credential. I would suggest you read up on biology, but it is obvious that a shit feasting moron like you can barely read which is why you rely so much on TV.
Millan hits dogs so they shut down and then he can claim macho victory over the poor animal.
i guarantee i have a higher education than you and I have definitely more familiar than you are in the area of biology. my degree is biology and biochemistry so if you think you're a smart cookie and you know everything dreaming. its funny how you initiated this shit slinging back and forth when my original comment had nothing to do with you. please note that dogs aren't computers they don't shut down. good day
deedledum, "shut down" is common tern for what is more correctly called learned helplessness. You can take your fake biology credentials somewhere else dummy because you should have learned this in psy 101.
stooge, psy isn't a biochem prereq dumbass. don't hate cesar just cause he done something useful with his life unlike you. if your so fucking smart with dogs maybe you should make your own show and see if you can do better. i guarentee you wouldn't be able to help any of the dogs cesar deals with every day. GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU FAT PIECE OF SHIT DONT PRETEND TO KNOW STUFF ABOUT DOG TRAINING
You're a fucking moron deedledum, the only thing Cesar is doing is fooling morons like you into thinking that abuse equals leadership. While I applaud his skills at scamming braindead assholes it don't mean shit in the real life. YOU FUCKER and LIAR. USE PUBMED. ALL OF HIS THEORIES HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED.
stooge are you kidding? pubmed is for biochemical and medical journals, not some pseudoscience BS about debunking theories. if you're going to make stuff up put a little effort into making it believable. these training measures have been around since dogs became domesticated. all of the sudden in the last 20 years they think they can do it better and the old ways are considered abuse. come on lets be serious...
Fuckerdeedledum, you don't know how to use pubmed. Try it and you'll find plenty of abstract on dominance, learning theory, wolves, and if you are lucky you can ask you teatcher to see if he can get you access to other databases.
That's the way progress work you fucker. Just as cars are safer and more fuel efficient. Training methods have also progressed and gotten better.
Jimmyfucksdogs, you can't debunk theories that have worked since dogs were domesticated. the real problem here is fudgepackers like you try to treat dogs like humans and consider any dog touching to be abuse. try using some clicker technique or crate technique to calm a violent dog and the only thing you will get is an arm full of stitches. This show is about training dogs who have been poorly trained or are violent, not about training puppies or other well natured dogs.
Deedlefuck, theories are debunked all the time when empirical evidence contradicting the theory is found. Such is the case with most of Milan's views. Voprophagiacs like you have been swallowing Millan's shit for so long, all you can do is vomit up the same shit when challenged on your ideas. C/T'ing aggressive dogs is not only easy it is effective. A 90lb granny can do it w/o wrestling the animal for dominance.
This coming from a fat ass who sits at his computer all day.
Why not actually leave your house and witness first hand, agressive dogs in action and then tell me how one could control it without becoming dominate.
Tapping is not hitting you peice of shit, and how ignorant and hateful too say that just because he's mexcian, means he illgally came to the country. It really shows how ignorant and prejudice you are.
If there was an unstable, agressive human walking around threating to kill anyone that gets near him, what would you do? would you kindly ask him to stop attacking people? would you shower him with love and affection? Good luck trying to help, you need to be asertive with those indidvuals.
He did come illegally into the US, you vapid jerk. It's just the fact, it fuckers like you always playing the race card that ruin things for when there is real racism.
Victoria Stillwell : There are courses now that you can do in Britain, but they are all very new and there's no real accreditation. You need to become a dog trainer, anyone can set themselves up as a dog trainer. I learnt by reading, going to seminars, seeing how other behaviourists worked, studying hard, taking a course in California. But mostly I learnt working with the dogs in the rescue shelters because it doesn't matter how much you study the real learning comes from the dogs themselves.
I love cesar, he has changed mine and my dogs' lives for the better, my husband and I have seen his live show, it was amazing. I can't believe someone could say hes cruel to animals, this is what they would do in the wild. animals crave leadership without it they are lost.
I forgot to tell everone about what to do after you beat the dog to death with your "leadership". First I fuck it so I can get laid, then I like to cook it and make some good Machaca... yum yum dog machaca.
Remember don't throw away that dead dog, you ca fuck it and eat it just - Tell them Starwarssucks says it is OK!
This is the book to read in you are interested in animal abuse, torture, sexism and losing IQ points. With Millan's beating methods you too can have your dog cowering in the corner afraid to walk in front of you or bark. It's a foolproof way to kill a dog's spirit so you can always feel dominant and superior.
I love his methods because they are quick to the chase (depending on the issue). But his overall leadership tips are easy to understand. I saw this video ("My Smart Puppy") and I'll admit, it did help a little... like 20% effective, but its was harder to understand and the puppies on the video weren't even calm-submissive, and the trainers kept exciting their energy and made hem hyper. I like Cesar's way, it's a lot easier once you understand it.
There's always someone somewhere who will disagree with whatefver anybody else does, it's human nature or they are just psychos who like causing trouble - Cesar rules in my book!
I just have to say that I am a dog trainer/dog behaviourist and have been using methods similar to those of Cesar for many years. I believe he is truly amazing at what he does and there are no camera tricks. My method has worked on countless dogs with serious or simply annoying behaviours and the results stick when we leave if the owners are willing to reinforce. Cesar rocks!!
I was home schooled, and I would've loved to have gone to some where like that with my home school group(I,m 24 yrs. old, this is one of my parents login names.) .
It's pretty obvious you're just an immature, lonely kid. Sorry kid but I think you need to get out more and work on your socializing skillz. You're not even worth my time.
Prometheans. you seem smart...well read even...but you must be single...and not real social...and maybe the person in the room thats been there done that hu??? Millian is brilliant and your a hater....???? am I close??
Positive Reinforcement training doesn't work for all dogs as a dog trainer myself I have had cases where I wish I had Cesar's talent ( and yes he has RAW talent) He does not hit or kick he give a light tap to have the dog re-focus. I have a pit bull myself and positive reinforcement training did not work. I love that he is an advocate for dogs and NEVER says to put them down.
You are poor trainer if PR is not working for you. This is your failure and not a problem with these techniques. He uses kicks, blows, strikes, intimidation to get the behavior he wants. This is not whispering.
Prometheans - all of your rambling comments ignore the following two facts: 1. Cesar's methods do work, and not his TV show but the testimonials that arise from his TV show are evidence of that. 2. PR has not and will not work for THESE dogs because they are not being TRAINED they are being REHABILITATED. PR is the correct way to train dogs. Cesar is not training good behavior, he's removing unwanted behavior.
Millan's methods do not work, or at least they stop working once the beatings and the threats stop. Majority of the dogs shown have zero education and none could do basic obedience. PR can work in any situation, and by replacing and training with an incompatible behaviour you stop the unwanted one. Teach down, dog can't jump. Sit can't attack. Heel can't run away. Carry ball, can't carry rocks.
OK. Forget the TV show. You, or any of the cry babies here AGAIN explain to me how a guy that knows nothing, does things the wrong way, has old school phylosophy could have all 40 different breeds live together day in and day out. Any of the "Experts" lol, can chime in at any time w/a great explanation on how it has nothing nothing to do w/Cesar. And the show has episodes of Cesar not getting results? No results would equal no show. Moron
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Dickwad. The reason the end of report ahve ended in euthanasia, no change, getting worse is because the owner are not willing to strangle the dog or threaten it as he does. Like I said, punitive methods only appear to work as long as he is there making the threat. Once the jerking stops the situation reverts to normal.
So you cant answer the question? Whats the answer know it all? You know shit. This is so funny. All the "Real" trainers, Know it Alls, and "Experts" are all talking crap about Cesar and at the same time watching him .Giving him ratings and making him lots of money. I like the show and think he makes sense. YOU dont have to. Let me know when you show or book is available. LOL LOL. Keep watching Cesar in the mean time. Your a Tool. But Cesars bank account thanks you.
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Man you are stupid. It is not only me who is saying his explanations are wrong and his techniques outdated. It is everyone, you'd be hard pressed to find people that still adhere to this dominance hypothesis. From the science journals to the field trainers, every pro knows that Millan is off the wall. People who have studied dogs and not just live on a farm with granpa, know he is wrong.
I'm stupid? Your the know it all that cant answer a simple question. I'm not asking "everyone" that knows he's wrong. I'm asking you for the third time. I had seven dogs at one time that could be together With supervision. But, tell me how he manages all those dogs together. Show me how smart you are.
You have zero proof that Cesar Millan's methods stop walking once he walks out of the house. Furthermore, you demonstrate that you are completely clueless about the point of the show -- Cesar doesn't give dogs obedience training. It's never been a part of the program. As always, you have scattered book knowledge and vague theory, but are completely clueless about whether your facts relate to the situation at hand.
PrometheansFire, you have got to be kidding, you must be blind when you watched them. Cesar is an expert in field of Dog Psychology. Which is awsome along with Dog Training and responsible owners. You don't know anything about dogs. You are just stirring things up because ya think its fun. Well the laugh is on you LOL
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You'd have to be stupid to consider this guy an expert. He uses the wrong terminology, his ideas have been disproven and abandoned. It is like he took a trip back to the early 60's for his knowledge about dogs.
You are the real "Expert" right? Where's your show? A tap w/his foot would be considered a kick. If you were in first grade and didnt know the difference. And a jerk is just that, A quick jerk to redirect the dogs attention. He is not intimidating, he's being the leader. Which is what the owners of the doge didnt do in the first place. Where's your pack of 30+ dogs, w/aggressive breeds and submissive breeds all living together?
Read it again dumb ass. I didn't say he was or wasn't an expert. Then I asked where your show was. Who gives him the title of Expert? Me or You. I think he knows what he is doing. You don't have to. He knows more then both of im sure. They didn't give him a show because he doesnt know what he's doing. And it pisses you off. Thats the best part.
The reason he has is show is the same reason that exists for all TV: Ratings.
A fucktard like you is impressed by his methods, other modern trainers are not. Millan IS likable no doubt and his intentions are not malicious. Problems is living in a farm with grandad and being a barber to dogs is not enough to qualify him as an expert.
Like I said before, could you yourself have up to 40 dogs of all different breeds living together every day? And do you think it could be done by someone that has no idea what they doing? I don't think so. Forget about likable w/Cesar; Does he get results? Yes he does. The funniest thing is that the jealous people here are crying about how bad he is. But their watching him. Doing what? Giving him ratings. LOL.
Cesare does not get results. What he does is blame the owner for everything. It is the easiest out in the world. If the "rehab" failed it is the owners fault. The truth is that it is his methods that are not up to par. Any idiot can threaten and punish dogs until they do what he wants. This is not whispering, it is training by the whip. Once the punishments stops the dog reverts. If you are happy beating your dog for the rest of its life the Millan is the guy for you.
Show me some links. You can't say "everyone" and "science journals to the field trainers" without backing it up. What pros? What science journals? I'm trying to follow your argument, but there is no substance.
Fox, M. W. 1971a. Ontogeny of socio-infantile and socio-sexual signals in canids. Z. Tierpsychol. 28:185-210.
Fox, M. W. 1971b. Socio-ecological implications of individual differences in wolf litters: a developmental and evolutionary perspective. Behaviour, 41:298-313.
Fox, M. W., and Andrews, R. V. 1973. Physiological and biochemical correlates of individual differences in behavior of wolf cubs. Behaviour, 46:129-140.
I may have missed your point in there somehwere, but the first of your cited sources doesn't debunk Millan's credibility. He writes "The degree to which these arguments apply to other species no doubt varies considerably and is beyond the scope of this article." only if we were training wolves does this article bear relevance.
Since these are your sources, I'm not even going to explain why I'm not going to consider your second source at all.
Since Millan presents his training based on dogs as wolves theory, then the study of wolves these article are entirely relevant to the discussion. They clearly show that Millan doesn't now anything about wolves or dogs.
It doesn't matter what Millan think dogs are like. For your argument to be valid *you* have to believe that wolves are dogs. If you don't believe that's true, your point is lost.
Additionally, you have completely discredited yourself by saying "Millan doesn't now anything about wolves or dogs." When clearly, and irrefutably, he does, as evidenced by the samples contained on Youtube.
Wrong. Millan repeats the dogs as wolves mantra ad nauseum. The evidence shows that they are fare different. He bases his rehab on trying to act like an 'alpha' that only exists in his mind.
This is why people are so stupid, they get their information from a 30 second clip, rather than reading a 400 page book.
I've watched Cesar Millan's, show and have never heard him say anything about dogs being wolves.The only thing I've heard him say, are dogs are pack animals and need to be treated as such. Obviously you never watched his show.
Ok, since you can't follow logical arguement, let me spell it out:
Me "For your argument to be valid *you* have to believe that wolves are dogs. If you don't believe that's true, your point is lost."
you "The evidence shows that they are fare different."
Clearly and obviously, Millan knows a lot about dogs, no matter how he frames his information. I did read every word of your sources and they are irrelevant. Try again.
Dogs may not be wolves, but they are related. There are similarities between the two. Wolves need each other for survival and relationships. Dogs need each other for socialization and companionship.
It doesn't look like he's yanking the dogs to me - it looks like when a dog is pulling he suddenly lets his end of the leash go suddenly slack and while saying a loud PSSHHTT!. Then he moves quickly on, the dog's focus on the distraction having been disrupted.
One doesn't have to take his advice 100 per cent - I think dogs like to stop and sniff and gather "information" - I let mine indulge in that at times.
cesar milan is the number 1 in the world for dog psychology, it is well known in the d.p world, whoever has bad comments please watch a series of dog whisperer and then judge. he gets results, and has never advised a dog to be put down ( because he doesnt need to)
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Cesar's idea of building self-esteem is to punish the dog, usually by hitting or jerking. The guy needs to read a few books or attend a few seminars by people who know what they are doing.
I've NEVER seen Cesar hit a dog. I have seen him jerk dogs by the leash, but it's always been just to redirect the dog's focus. I have a 100lb dog aggressive pit bull so I know how difficult it is to get one off alert.
I've seen him pick small dogs up and put them on the ground on their backs but he doesn't hurt them. I've never seen Cesar hurt a dog.
You need to read a few books and watch more. He NEVER hits a dog. Even organizations against his methods agree. But these same organizations are the ones who recommend putting down to sleep many dogs when they can't "fix" them. That's when Cesar shows up, "fix" them and they get all bitchy because they weren't able to. In some cases the dogs go to a bunch of "modern trainers" for a bunch of months. They only want money to say after "kill it".
You need to read a few books and watch more. He NEVER hits a dog. Even organizations against his methods agree. But these same organizations are the ones who recommend putting down to sleep many dogs when they can't "fix" them. That's when Cesar shows up, "fix" them and they get all bitchy because they weren't able to. In some cases the dogs go to a bunch of "modern trainers" for a bunch of months. They only want money to say after "kill it".
All I can say is that his method on dealing with a leash aggressive dog sure worked with mine - he says not to get upset when your dog goes ballistic at seeing another dog on leash, just stay calm and assertive and don't let your dog feel your anxiety. This morning when we saw another dog on leash coming toward us, my dog stated going crazy as usual, leaping and lunging - I stayed calm, kept on going and he immediately stopped after one half-hearted lunge. I couldn't believe it.
positive reinforcement is great, but, its meant for puppies and small behaviour problems, a more dominent appproach is needed when the problem is due to lack of domenince in the home by the human, cesar is awsome and a huge mentor to me:)
people that criticise his work cant deny the fact that caesar got his ways.Youll probably say ooh but he only fixes the problem in short terms. you dont know sh*t! What makes you think hes not giving tips to the owner after what you see on the show.And for thedogmom, please get your shit right, you say that you use positive reinforcements,well if you are paying attention to his techniques,he does use those basic techniques... So please stop acting like a jealous *****.
Cesar has the right techniques. I have 6 dogs but I mainly used the positive reinforcer. Sometimes it doesnt work so I have to be stern with my dogs. I think that most dog problems come from people trying to humanize their dogs. Dont get me wrong my dogs are part of my family but they know their place.
I am a professional in the field for over 15 yrs. I am in a veterinary practice. Cesar is dead on as far as seeing dogs (and people) for how they are. There are other tools and methods that can be utilized in his techniques, but overall his philosophy is correct.
Thedogmom....please, for the sake of everyone....we all know that you hate, and are likely jealous of "The Dog Whisperer." Quit pretending that you know what the hell you are talking about, and stop spreading your nonsense....
I've been studying dog behavior and training and consulting in behavior issues for over 12 years. I own a dog day care, boarding and training facility.
What are you credentials? Have you even tried to study or investigate other styles, or do you just believe everything you watch on TV reality shows?
I've thrown the BS flag on your credential claims several times already...but hey, if making those claims is your bag....it is the internet after all....and, like it or not, I have credentials (I don't make claims here, because I'm sure as hell not going to try and prove them to anyone in cyber land). Maybe you should just ignore me and continue with your blatant lies...reasonable people see them for what they are anyways...
Not likely. Look at the body language of the dogs he works with. Or the dogs on the cover of his book. Those are not happy dogs. They may be calm submissive, but they are not happy. Yes, you can train dogs with force and intimidation. But you can also train a dog just as well using positive reinforcement, and still have the dog like you.
hay i just wanted to let everyone know that the dog whisperer is going to be on the ghost whisperer on the 30th. i think its going to be quite different seeing him in this tpy of setting
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Dominance theory has been discredited?? Are you kidding me?? Ever studied wolves in the wild? They dominate!! Ever studdied any carnivores? Dominance IS number one..Good lord..do you ever think before you speak??
Thedogmom's is just a malcontent who disagrees with his methods, and therefore makes false claims to attempt to discredit CM. She claims to be a "professional dog trainer/behavior counselor," and then makes flagrantly false statements. Odds are great that she is the exact type of mindless dog owner that CM is constantly attempting to train. Unlike them, she won't admit her horrible shortcomings with shaping he pet's behaviors. Does she ever think before she speaks? No intelligently...
Give me a break....first of all, BS on your stepfather claim. Provide proof and I'll believe accordingly. Secondly, the real issue is that the world is amazingly, flabbergastingly filled with people who are just too damn stupid to own a dog. Folks who show up with all these bite marks, etc. should instantly be tagged with "too dumb to own dogs" flag, and be banned from future ownership of dogs.
I have to say, I do agree with this. Some people, sadly, should just not be allowed to own dogs. Human being can be very selfish and all about the benefits owning a dog brings them, but what about the dogs' needs? If you're not willing to let a dog be a dog, and assume a position of leader the dog understands, so it TOO can have a happy life, then please DO NOT GET A DOG!
First of all, spell and grammar check. Second, wolves in the wild are not always fighting for dominance...there is an alpha pair that stay that way; animals know nothing of ambition. Third, animals are animals, no matter what human society they are in, or what anthropomorphism we impose upon them. Fourth, Cesar's show blatantly states not to try his techniques without consulting a professional. Fifth, physically subduing a dog and being calm assertive "pack leader" are two different things.
No, I am a professional who has actually studied dog psychology, instead of just calling myself one, like Cesar. He does some good stuff, but his methods make those dogs more dangerous in the long run, because he makes people believe they are "fixed".
You sound like you are trying to humanize dogs. If you are that knowledgeable about dog psychology the maybe you should have your own show. It has not been proven Cesar's dogs will turn aggressive in the long run. Humane treatment and humanizing a dog are two different things.
Studies are being done right now on aggressive behavior and force based training. I know Cesar clothes himself in the language of "whispering" but he just used the same old force based stuff and calls it something new. Anyway, the links are being studied.
no they don't god you no shit about dog i have study dog for a long 20 yearstime to and can tell you this man no what he is doing so shut up you idiot 20 years and i have never seen anything this god you are what make dog bad in the long run thedogmom
humans have always projected their own form of society on the animal kingdom. You can go back to the greeks, where their philosophy was projected onto how they saw the natural world, you can go to Algonquin indians who existed in "clans" and therefore said beavers did the same, and today, in our hierarchical society, people project "dominance" onto nature. There is not a wolf hierarchy. There are arbitrary agressive behaviors which assure the survival of the pack.
Yo, Moroncope, human terms CAN be used to describe animal behavior! Ever hear of a "Queen Bee?" Do you think it is a coincidence that all the other bees serve a giant fat one? Hierarchy exists. Is it a coincidence that in wolf packs, there is one and only one who eats first? What, is he the luckiest wolf in the world?! No, he is the pack leader at the top of the hierarchy.
I LOVE him, I use his methods with my Rottweilers! and my dogs are gentle giants because of it! Im the Pack leader in my home! and I can do anything with my dogs!
Agelesslegend23 1 year ago
5:23 my dad does that to lol
MrManuelibarra 1 year ago
LEGEND, simple.
Skateir 1 year ago
these people are so lucky..I'd love to go to his dog psychology center and learn from him
MulattoMetalhead 1 year ago 2
HE'S SO COOL! I wanna meet him :'(
Incubus941 1 year ago
Fascinating!--The Great American Dollhouse Museum
TheDollhouseMuseum 1 year ago
Great post. Not that I would expect anything else but he is 100% consistent with his methodology.
Lifewhisperer 2 years ago
ceaser needs to come to the uk to educate people over here....
TAKAN407 2 years ago 2
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Why, don't you guys know how to kick dogs?
AboutDogTraining3 2 years ago
@AboutDogTraining3 your a fuckin loser quit with the jealousy loooooser
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badabingrockford, shit for brains! That's just the type of reasoned argument I'd expect for a Milan douchebag follower.
AboutDogTraining3 2 years ago
@AboutDogTraining3 do you actually go post shit at every Cesar Millan video you see ?
Tobolococo 4 months ago
lucky people!!!! i really want to meet Cesar
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he talks total nonsense. anybody who knows anything about animal behavior can only be horrified by what he does to dogs. watch the show with the volume turned down and look at the dogs. they're having a miserable time. he has taken dog training back 30 years. Even Barbara woodhouse treated dogs better, and that's really saying something. He just says what people want to hear. God help the dogs!
msbreeden 2 years ago
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eat a dick ms. breeden :) raise your right hand up and smack yourself.
To0tThatThangUp 2 years ago
Dear Ms.Breeden,
you are just another of those owners out there who treat a dog the same way you would treat a 3 years old kid. Like we are supposed to sit there with the dog and have a conversation to tell them not to do this or that right?
IceKake2 2 years ago
exactly perfectly said
badabingrockford 2 years ago
Cesar is my hero!!!
lukedakicker05 2 years ago
great video, i need to make a trek out there.
Tito74 2 years ago
gay or not he's still delicious!
deadlydudley42 2 years ago
he's married isn't he?
nothairywoman 2 years ago
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he always seems abit gay to me.
timHYPERLITE 2 years ago
ok...
FatalBlueFlame 2 years ago
Wat a great guy he is. Thanks for posting mate - very informative :-)
Dazvat1 2 years ago
this is cool to see Cesar outside of the tv show thanks for posting . just too bad the audio wasn't better
phillaneseventhirty 2 years ago
I am the #1 fan of Cesar Milan fyi. ;-)
girlonlaptop 3 years ago
I LOVE Cesar Millan...:)
Sugga1980 3 years ago
why did the big thin dog was outside the circle?
rvjafh 3 years ago
because he approached the circle with excitement. Excitement doesnt mean fun for dogs, it means they are getting a little crazy I think!
tyniehawk 2 years ago
It's fascinating to hear Cesar talk in-depth about his approach to dog training. He sees dogs from the inside-out and respects their basic nature, not turning them into 4-legged human children, but working with their canine way of being in the world. And his love for dogs is obvious. Great clip.
caraphyllis 3 years ago 2
@caraphyllis great comment!!
DreamComeTrueK9 11 months ago
Excuse me...Well,I wish Cesar would work with more PITBULLS,ROCS,CHOWS;and ECT.
MR.gwinnett
mrGwinnett 3 years ago
Yes, Cesar should work with crocs.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
I don't think being calm-assertive would work with reptilians. Lol.
lasamee2566 3 years ago
agreed... but reptilians arent social animals tho lol... at least i think.
DoggRazor 3 years ago
You're right. I saw it in "Cheech and Chong's Next Movie"
ShotsloppyD 3 years ago
... he works mostly with pits and rotts...
DoggRazor 3 years ago
I've seen two episodes...One with his pit and the other one,I believe it was a Pintcher...
I just said he needs to do it more often,so people could C that pits are not bad dogs.
MR.Gwinnett
mrGwinnett 3 years ago
right-o... im just letting you know he says it all the time and shows us through his pack of mostly pits that they are not bad...
DoggRazor 3 years ago
stooge my point that im trying to get across is cesar does not abuse the dogs. im not saying he is even close to being a great trainer, he just correcting behaviour of dogs who have been poorly trained in the past. his methods are not abusive in the slightest. save your animal abuse complaints for true cases of abuse. just so you can see what abuse is i have a few clips for you:
watch?v=lo0kBOqEWBM&feature=related
watch?v=2ravXb7zhFI
ps. i hope you're vegetarian
deemfingtee 3 years ago
I like Cesar too,I just feel like he should work with more Bully breeds.
MR.Gwinnett county
mrGwinnett 3 years ago
There is no such thing as bully breeds, owners make thier dogs bullies or agressive.
Its like saying, all coloured humans are bullys, which is obviously not true.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago
there is such thing as bully breed... its not a term as this breed bullies other, it means they come from bulldog.... like boxer, pitbulls, american bulldog...
DoggRazor 3 years ago
No there are power breeds but in no way shape or form are they naturally "bullies" A small dog could be a bully. I have plenty of pits and rots that wouldnt hurt a fly, but thats because thier trainers had given them plenty of rules and social behaviour.
Just cause black people are physically stronger then other cultures, doesnt mean they are all using thier strength to hurt others.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago
ur not getting it... its not bully as in this dog is a bully... it just means breeds of dog originating from bulldogs... there is such a thing as bully breeds... but it doesnt mean they are bullying people or dogs around. and rottweilers are not bully breeds.... but pibull, amstaff, american bully, american bulldog, boxers... they are bully breeds...
DoggRazor 3 years ago 2
Yes im sorry my friend, I mis-understood.
Accept my apoloizies.
Mind telling me the breed of orgin of rottweilers?
My sister just got a 2 month old rott and they are adorable.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago
dont apologize, its all good. rottweilers come from italian mastiffs. rottweilers are the 9th smartest breed in the world... they are a combination of big strength and high intelligence... at the same time they are considered to be calm indoors... its important that u get puppy classes and obedience classes for that rott... rottweilers are prone to being territorial and then dog aggressive but as a young puppy u can eliminate it. good luck.
DoggRazor 3 years ago
"Just cause black people are physically stronger then other cultures, doesnt mean they are all using thier strength to hurt others."--ChilenoPiscean22
You get to hear from all kinds of stupid people on youtube.
NVBKMal 3 years ago 6
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And we hear from unedcuated idiots like yourself.
It proven that africains have stronger genes because they were enslaved for more then 200 years you fucking idiot.
And white slave masters have been stated to say that they have breed certain slaves together with certain genes to produce a certain type of slave.
Again your stupid unedcuated comments show your real ignorance. Here's an idea, go read a few history books.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago
"Stronger genes"? Not only are you a bigot but you are also an idiot. You know nothing of genetics and even less about history.
BTW racist sshhole, the word GENE wasn't used intil 1909. Tell that to your slave masters.
NVBKMal 3 years ago
I do have an issue with a very specific faction within the dog "training" community who have targeted Cesar (along with anyone else) who is not part of their "clicker clique". I do take issue with these same APDT members who are involved in a very organized smear crusade of lies, letter writing campaigns, petitions, and emotional manipulation in order to sell their beliefs for a buck rather than put the needs of the dog and owner, first.
starwarssuck 3 years ago
I think Cesar has already PROVED that he IS capable of training dogs.....your just jealous that you don't have the big bucks in your hand. But he worked his ass. Did you?
chowchowmoose 3 years ago
What he has proven is that if you hit them hard enough and often enough, you will drive it into a state of learned helplessness. But we knew that long ago.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
Homophobic idiots like you usually end up getting caught in homosexual trysts with hookers or picking up cops in washrooms.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
Cesar Millan is a criminal and a shifty, snake oil salesman, selling quick fixes to a largely ignorant audience. He has one simple solution to all problems: HIT IT! His brutal approach appeals to the lazy dog owner who is not interested in communicating with the animal but is more interested in "dominating" it with brutal force.
JLD
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
Excuse me......how do you know? Did he hit the dogs? He worked his ass off and he loves dogs. It's so obvious. And here you come making some fucking comment. What a bitch. Serilously..get a LIFE. Cesar worked for this. I'm guessing you must be some poor homo who wants some money but can't seem to get it. Fuck you.
chowchowmoose 3 years ago 3
Well I think Cesar is awesome. I like the fact that he treats dogs as dogs not as human replicas. So all those that think that he is brutal are usually those that buy little dresses for their dogs and oppress their nature. Now that is brutal.
yazyh 3 years ago
you don't know what hitting is. your obviously a spoiled brat if you think that what he does is hitting. you should have gone to school when they had the strap and you'd find out what hitting is
deemfingtee 3 years ago
you are obviously blind, and a little diaper soiling moron.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
im sure youve got better credentials than cesar you fat shit. its easy to criticize someone from behind the keyboard with a fucking twinky in you mouth. your probably one who thinks their dogs are well trained but everyone else sees how out of control they are. and i see your comments about him 'hitting' dogs. he doesn't hit dogs open your fucking eyes. tapping is not hitting. maybe you should show a little self discipline with stuffing your face before you try working on dogs
deemfingtee 3 years ago
You inbred dime bag whore, Cesar has no credentials unless you consider sneaking illegally into a country a credential. I would suggest you read up on biology, but it is obvious that a shit feasting moron like you can barely read which is why you rely so much on TV.
Millan hits dogs so they shut down and then he can claim macho victory over the poor animal.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
i guarantee i have a higher education than you and I have definitely more familiar than you are in the area of biology. my degree is biology and biochemistry so if you think you're a smart cookie and you know everything dreaming. its funny how you initiated this shit slinging back and forth when my original comment had nothing to do with you. please note that dogs aren't computers they don't shut down. good day
deemfingtee 3 years ago
deedledum, "shut down" is common tern for what is more correctly called learned helplessness. You can take your fake biology credentials somewhere else dummy because you should have learned this in psy 101.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
stooge, psy isn't a biochem prereq dumbass. don't hate cesar just cause he done something useful with his life unlike you. if your so fucking smart with dogs maybe you should make your own show and see if you can do better. i guarentee you wouldn't be able to help any of the dogs cesar deals with every day. GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU FAT PIECE OF SHIT DONT PRETEND TO KNOW STUFF ABOUT DOG TRAINING
deemfingtee 3 years ago
You're a fucking moron deedledum, the only thing Cesar is doing is fooling morons like you into thinking that abuse equals leadership. While I applaud his skills at scamming braindead assholes it don't mean shit in the real life. YOU FUCKER and LIAR. USE PUBMED. ALL OF HIS THEORIES HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
stooge are you kidding? pubmed is for biochemical and medical journals, not some pseudoscience BS about debunking theories. if you're going to make stuff up put a little effort into making it believable. these training measures have been around since dogs became domesticated. all of the sudden in the last 20 years they think they can do it better and the old ways are considered abuse. come on lets be serious...
deemfingtee 3 years ago
Fuckerdeedledum, you don't know how to use pubmed. Try it and you'll find plenty of abstract on dominance, learning theory, wolves, and if you are lucky you can ask you teatcher to see if he can get you access to other databases.
That's the way progress work you fucker. Just as cars are safer and more fuel efficient. Training methods have also progressed and gotten better.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
Jimmyfucksdogs, you can't debunk theories that have worked since dogs were domesticated. the real problem here is fudgepackers like you try to treat dogs like humans and consider any dog touching to be abuse. try using some clicker technique or crate technique to calm a violent dog and the only thing you will get is an arm full of stitches. This show is about training dogs who have been poorly trained or are violent, not about training puppies or other well natured dogs.
deemfingtee 3 years ago
Deedlefuck, theories are debunked all the time when empirical evidence contradicting the theory is found. Such is the case with most of Milan's views. Voprophagiacs like you have been swallowing Millan's shit for so long, all you can do is vomit up the same shit when challenged on your ideas. C/T'ing aggressive dogs is not only easy it is effective. A 90lb granny can do it w/o wrestling the animal for dominance.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
This coming from a fat ass who sits at his computer all day.
Why not actually leave your house and witness first hand, agressive dogs in action and then tell me how one could control it without becoming dominate.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago
I have to say I'm surprised you can type at all With your head up your ass.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
Well Im glad you agree you need more excerise and experience before you talk about such topics.
Think before you post.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago
Tapping is not hitting you peice of shit, and how ignorant and hateful too say that just because he's mexcian, means he illgally came to the country. It really shows how ignorant and prejudice you are.
If there was an unstable, agressive human walking around threating to kill anyone that gets near him, what would you do? would you kindly ask him to stop attacking people? would you shower him with love and affection? Good luck trying to help, you need to be asertive with those indidvuals.
ChilenoPiscean22 3 years ago 2
He did come illegally into the US, you vapid jerk. It's just the fact, it fuckers like you always playing the race card that ruin things for when there is real racism.
jiimmylovesdogs 3 years ago
Victoria Stillwell : There are courses now that you can do in Britain, but they are all very new and there's no real accreditation. You need to become a dog trainer, anyone can set themselves up as a dog trainer. I learnt by reading, going to seminars, seeing how other behaviourists worked, studying hard, taking a course in California. But mostly I learnt working with the dogs in the rescue shelters because it doesn't matter how much you study the real learning comes from the dogs themselves.
starwarssuck 3 years ago
I love cesar, he has changed mine and my dogs' lives for the better, my husband and I have seen his live show, it was amazing. I can't believe someone could say hes cruel to animals, this is what they would do in the wild. animals crave leadership without it they are lost.
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I forgot to tell everone about what to do after you beat the dog to death with your "leadership". First I fuck it so I can get laid, then I like to cook it and make some good Machaca... yum yum dog machaca.
Remember don't throw away that dead dog, you ca fuck it and eat it just - Tell them Starwarssucks says it is OK!
starswarsuck 3 years ago
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This is the book to read in you are interested in animal abuse, torture, sexism and losing IQ points. With Millan's beating methods you too can have your dog cowering in the corner afraid to walk in front of you or bark. It's a foolproof way to kill a dog's spirit so you can always feel dominant and superior.
jimmylovesdog 3 years ago
I love his methods because they are quick to the chase (depending on the issue). But his overall leadership tips are easy to understand. I saw this video ("My Smart Puppy") and I'll admit, it did help a little... like 20% effective, but its was harder to understand and the puppies on the video weren't even calm-submissive, and the trainers kept exciting their energy and made hem hyper. I like Cesar's way, it's a lot easier once you understand it.
draggamusic 3 years ago
There's always someone somewhere who will disagree with whatefver anybody else does, it's human nature or they are just psychos who like causing trouble - Cesar rules in my book!
S76N79 3 years ago 9
I just have to say that I am a dog trainer/dog behaviourist and have been using methods similar to those of Cesar for many years. I believe he is truly amazing at what he does and there are no camera tricks. My method has worked on countless dogs with serious or simply annoying behaviours and the results stick when we leave if the owners are willing to reinforce. Cesar rocks!!
trainsk9s 3 years ago 4
how much does it cost to go to his center?
sm0kingwuzcool 4 years ago
cesar is a genius
Ton3l2d2 4 years ago 19
True Dat!!!
MOOSHOOPORKCHICKEN 4 years ago 5
exellent video!!
thank's for the post!
starwarssuck 4 years ago 2
I was home schooled, and I would've loved to have gone to some where like that with my home school group(I,m 24 yrs. old, this is one of my parents login names.) .
jcb92750 4 years ago
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Maryman you don't know shit. Millan is a moron, and you are a bigger moron for being such a slavish supplicant.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
It's pretty obvious you're just an immature, lonely kid. Sorry kid but I think you need to get out more and work on your socializing skillz. You're not even worth my time.
Luv4Pitts 4 years ago 2
I agree he does.
jcb92750 4 years ago
That Pomeranianfirefly think he's a badass behind his keyboard...so typical for lonely pimpled-face, insecure, bratz.
Luv4Pitts 4 years ago 2
Prometheans. you seem smart...well read even...but you must be single...and not real social...and maybe the person in the room thats been there done that hu??? Millian is brilliant and your a hater....???? am I close??
maryman67 4 years ago
Peterson, R. O. 1977. Wolf ecology and prey relationships on Isle Royale. U.S. National Park Service Sci. Monogr. Ser. 11, Washington, D.C.
Peterson, R. O., Woolington, J. D., and Bailey, T. N. 1984. Wolves of the Kenai Peninsula, Alaska. Wildl. Monogr. No. 88.
Rabb, G. B., Woolpy, J. H., and Ginsburg, B. E. 1967. Social relationships in a group of captive wolves. Am. Zool. 7:305-311.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
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too much time in the wildness? and you feel very lonely,
.....and you want your own show, I'm right?
starwarssuck 4 years ago
What the hell is you PrometheansFire? You please shut up and find something more interisting to do.
rafaelafm 4 years ago
You losers....great show....What more you want?
Yurmajestie 4 years ago
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Yes mikey, you are stupid. Your "question" is dishonest. It has has several assumptions which are have not been proven.
Tell me mikey, have you stopped molesting children? Like your question, mine also has unproven assumptions.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
Positive Reinforcement training doesn't work for all dogs as a dog trainer myself I have had cases where I wish I had Cesar's talent ( and yes he has RAW talent) He does not hit or kick he give a light tap to have the dog re-focus. I have a pit bull myself and positive reinforcement training did not work. I love that he is an advocate for dogs and NEVER says to put them down.
Inuyasha0226 4 years ago
You are poor trainer if PR is not working for you. This is your failure and not a problem with these techniques. He uses kicks, blows, strikes, intimidation to get the behavior he wants. This is not whispering.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
Prometheans - all of your rambling comments ignore the following two facts: 1. Cesar's methods do work, and not his TV show but the testimonials that arise from his TV show are evidence of that. 2. PR has not and will not work for THESE dogs because they are not being TRAINED they are being REHABILITATED. PR is the correct way to train dogs. Cesar is not training good behavior, he's removing unwanted behavior.
krike234 4 years ago
Millan's methods do not work, or at least they stop working once the beatings and the threats stop. Majority of the dogs shown have zero education and none could do basic obedience. PR can work in any situation, and by replacing and training with an incompatible behaviour you stop the unwanted one. Teach down, dog can't jump. Sit can't attack. Heel can't run away. Carry ball, can't carry rocks.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
OK. Forget the TV show. You, or any of the cry babies here AGAIN explain to me how a guy that knows nothing, does things the wrong way, has old school phylosophy could have all 40 different breeds live together day in and day out. Any of the "Experts" lol, can chime in at any time w/a great explanation on how it has nothing nothing to do w/Cesar. And the show has episodes of Cesar not getting results? No results would equal no show. Moron
mikeybbdrummin 4 years ago 2
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Dickwad. The reason the end of report ahve ended in euthanasia, no change, getting worse is because the owner are not willing to strangle the dog or threaten it as he does. Like I said, punitive methods only appear to work as long as he is there making the threat. Once the jerking stops the situation reverts to normal.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
So you cant answer the question? Whats the answer know it all? You know shit. This is so funny. All the "Real" trainers, Know it Alls, and "Experts" are all talking crap about Cesar and at the same time watching him .Giving him ratings and making him lots of money. I like the show and think he makes sense. YOU dont have to. Let me know when you show or book is available. LOL LOL. Keep watching Cesar in the mean time. Your a Tool. But Cesars bank account thanks you.
mikeybbdrummin 4 years ago 3
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Man you are stupid. It is not only me who is saying his explanations are wrong and his techniques outdated. It is everyone, you'd be hard pressed to find people that still adhere to this dominance hypothesis. From the science journals to the field trainers, every pro knows that Millan is off the wall. People who have studied dogs and not just live on a farm with granpa, know he is wrong.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
I'm stupid? Your the know it all that cant answer a simple question. I'm not asking "everyone" that knows he's wrong. I'm asking you for the third time. I had seven dogs at one time that could be together With supervision. But, tell me how he manages all those dogs together. Show me how smart you are.
mikeybbdrummin 4 years ago 2
They are self regulating. You have virtually nothing to do with it.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
Link please.
tribalpeanut 4 years ago
You have zero proof that Cesar Millan's methods stop walking once he walks out of the house. Furthermore, you demonstrate that you are completely clueless about the point of the show -- Cesar doesn't give dogs obedience training. It's never been a part of the program. As always, you have scattered book knowledge and vague theory, but are completely clueless about whether your facts relate to the situation at hand.
ZettaiBaka 4 years ago 3
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yOU DON'T SAID? IN ANOTHER POST:
CESAR BLAMES THE OWNERS FOR THEY FAILURE TO
BE THE PACK LEADERS.
NOW YOU BLAMES THE TRAINER FOR "FAILURE" WHIT "YOUR" TECHNIQUES.
YOU ARE A MOROOOOOOOOOOON!!
starwarssuck 4 years ago
he dont abusing dogs !! so stfu
berishajrb 4 years ago
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I've seen all his episodes, and I stand by the fact that he hits, kicks, frightens, jerks, and generally abuses dogs in his quest to be 'dominant'
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
PrometheansFire, you have got to be kidding, you must be blind when you watched them. Cesar is an expert in field of Dog Psychology. Which is awsome along with Dog Training and responsible owners. You don't know anything about dogs. You are just stirring things up because ya think its fun. Well the laugh is on you LOL
vickiswihart 4 years ago
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You'd have to be stupid to consider this guy an expert. He uses the wrong terminology, his ideas have been disproven and abandoned. It is like he took a trip back to the early 60's for his knowledge about dogs.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
You are the real "Expert" right? Where's your show? A tap w/his foot would be considered a kick. If you were in first grade and didnt know the difference. And a jerk is just that, A quick jerk to redirect the dogs attention. He is not intimidating, he's being the leader. Which is what the owners of the doge didnt do in the first place. Where's your pack of 30+ dogs, w/aggressive breeds and submissive breeds all living together?
mikeybbdrummin 4 years ago
What a stupid question. TV has nothing to do with expertise. You must be a major fucktard to believe everyone you see on TV is an expert.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
Read it again dumb ass. I didn't say he was or wasn't an expert. Then I asked where your show was. Who gives him the title of Expert? Me or You. I think he knows what he is doing. You don't have to. He knows more then both of im sure. They didn't give him a show because he doesnt know what he's doing. And it pisses you off. Thats the best part.
mikeybbdrummin 4 years ago
The reason he has is show is the same reason that exists for all TV: Ratings.
A fucktard like you is impressed by his methods, other modern trainers are not. Millan IS likable no doubt and his intentions are not malicious. Problems is living in a farm with grandad and being a barber to dogs is not enough to qualify him as an expert.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
Like I said before, could you yourself have up to 40 dogs of all different breeds living together every day? And do you think it could be done by someone that has no idea what they doing? I don't think so. Forget about likable w/Cesar; Does he get results? Yes he does. The funniest thing is that the jealous people here are crying about how bad he is. But their watching him. Doing what? Giving him ratings. LOL.
mikeybbdrummin 4 years ago
Cesare does not get results. What he does is blame the owner for everything. It is the easiest out in the world. If the "rehab" failed it is the owners fault. The truth is that it is his methods that are not up to par. Any idiot can threaten and punish dogs until they do what he wants. This is not whispering, it is training by the whip. Once the punishments stops the dog reverts. If you are happy beating your dog for the rest of its life the Millan is the guy for you.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
PrometheansFire,
Show me some links. You can't say "everyone" and "science journals to the field trainers" without backing it up. What pros? What science journals? I'm trying to follow your argument, but there is no substance.
tribalpeanut 4 years ago
Fox, M. W. 1971a. Ontogeny of socio-infantile and socio-sexual signals in canids. Z. Tierpsychol. 28:185-210.
Fox, M. W. 1971b. Socio-ecological implications of individual differences in wolf litters: a developmental and evolutionary perspective. Behaviour, 41:298-313.
Fox, M. W., and Andrews, R. V. 1973. Physiological and biochemical correlates of individual differences in behavior of wolf cubs. Behaviour, 46:129-140.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
I may have missed your point in there somehwere, but the first of your cited sources doesn't debunk Millan's credibility. He writes "The degree to which these arguments apply to other species no doubt varies considerably and is beyond the scope of this article." only if we were training wolves does this article bear relevance.
Since these are your sources, I'm not even going to explain why I'm not going to consider your second source at all.
tribalpeanut 4 years ago
Since Millan presents his training based on dogs as wolves theory, then the study of wolves these article are entirely relevant to the discussion. They clearly show that Millan doesn't now anything about wolves or dogs.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
It doesn't matter what Millan think dogs are like. For your argument to be valid *you* have to believe that wolves are dogs. If you don't believe that's true, your point is lost.
Additionally, you have completely discredited yourself by saying "Millan doesn't now anything about wolves or dogs." When clearly, and irrefutably, he does, as evidenced by the samples contained on Youtube.
tribalpeanut 4 years ago
Wrong. Millan repeats the dogs as wolves mantra ad nauseum. The evidence shows that they are fare different. He bases his rehab on trying to act like an 'alpha' that only exists in his mind.
This is why people are so stupid, they get their information from a 30 second clip, rather than reading a 400 page book.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
I've watched Cesar Millan's, show and have never heard him say anything about dogs being wolves.The only thing I've heard him say, are dogs are pack animals and need to be treated as such. Obviously you never watched his show.
jcb92750 4 years ago
Ok, since you can't follow logical arguement, let me spell it out:
Me "For your argument to be valid *you* have to believe that wolves are dogs. If you don't believe that's true, your point is lost."
you "The evidence shows that they are fare different."
Clearly and obviously, Millan knows a lot about dogs, no matter how he frames his information. I did read every word of your sources and they are irrelevant. Try again.
tribalpeanut 4 years ago
Dogs may not be wolves, but they are related. There are similarities between the two. Wolves need each other for survival and relationships. Dogs need each other for socialization and companionship.
jcb92750 4 years ago
humans tamed wolves into dogs.... and made most of them unstable
colorheartedgirl 4 years ago
It doesn't look like he's yanking the dogs to me - it looks like when a dog is pulling he suddenly lets his end of the leash go suddenly slack and while saying a loud PSSHHTT!. Then he moves quickly on, the dog's focus on the distraction having been disrupted.
One doesn't have to take his advice 100 per cent - I think dogs like to stop and sniff and gather "information" - I let mine indulge in that at times.
theophano 4 years ago
WOW! How amazing to see Cesar with his pack and these school children! Thank you for sharing the video
bikerrockchick 4 years ago 3
cesar milan is the number 1 in the world for dog psychology, it is well known in the d.p world, whoever has bad comments please watch a series of dog whisperer and then judge. he gets results, and has never advised a dog to be put down ( because he doesnt need to)
jrtaof 4 years ago 6
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Cesar's idea of building self-esteem is to punish the dog, usually by hitting or jerking. The guy needs to read a few books or attend a few seminars by people who know what they are doing.
PrometheansFire 4 years ago
I've NEVER seen Cesar hit a dog. I have seen him jerk dogs by the leash, but it's always been just to redirect the dog's focus. I have a 100lb dog aggressive pit bull so I know how difficult it is to get one off alert.
I've seen him pick small dogs up and put them on the ground on their backs but he doesn't hurt them. I've never seen Cesar hurt a dog.
solarcat1 4 years ago 6
You need to read a few books and watch more. He NEVER hits a dog. Even organizations against his methods agree. But these same organizations are the ones who recommend putting down to sleep many dogs when they can't "fix" them. That's when Cesar shows up, "fix" them and they get all bitchy because they weren't able to. In some cases the dogs go to a bunch of "modern trainers" for a bunch of months. They only want money to say after "kill it".
lucyu2 4 years ago
You need to read a few books and watch more. He NEVER hits a dog. Even organizations against his methods agree. But these same organizations are the ones who recommend putting down to sleep many dogs when they can't "fix" them. That's when Cesar shows up, "fix" them and they get all bitchy because they weren't able to. In some cases the dogs go to a bunch of "modern trainers" for a bunch of months. They only want money to say after "kill it".
lucyu2 4 years ago 2
All I can say is that his method on dealing with a leash aggressive dog sure worked with mine - he says not to get upset when your dog goes ballistic at seeing another dog on leash, just stay calm and assertive and don't let your dog feel your anxiety. This morning when we saw another dog on leash coming toward us, my dog stated going crazy as usual, leaping and lunging - I stayed calm, kept on going and he immediately stopped after one half-hearted lunge. I couldn't believe it.
theophano 4 years ago 2
I wish mine was that easy. He will not stop until I physically restrain him, and a 100lb pit bull is very hard to restrain.
solarcat1 4 years ago
It's great that the kids got to experience that. I would love to visit his canine rehab center.
squishypumpkincat 4 years ago 3
LOVE cesar!
PonyoOnACliff 4 years ago
cesar is the best! he understands dogs like nobody.
texas0011 4 years ago
positive reinforcement is great, but, its meant for puppies and small behaviour problems, a more dominent appproach is needed when the problem is due to lack of domenince in the home by the human, cesar is awsome and a huge mentor to me:)
m420swed 4 years ago 3
people that criticise his work cant deny the fact that caesar got his ways.Youll probably say ooh but he only fixes the problem in short terms. you dont know sh*t! What makes you think hes not giving tips to the owner after what you see on the show.And for thedogmom, please get your shit right, you say that you use positive reinforcements,well if you are paying attention to his techniques,he does use those basic techniques... So please stop acting like a jealous *****.
incredibulls 4 years ago 2
Cesars awsome
Nicochara 4 years ago
Cesar has the right techniques. I have 6 dogs but I mainly used the positive reinforcer. Sometimes it doesnt work so I have to be stern with my dogs. I think that most dog problems come from people trying to humanize their dogs. Dont get me wrong my dogs are part of my family but they know their place.
ChelseaZa 4 years ago
I am a professional in the field for over 15 yrs. I am in a veterinary practice. Cesar is dead on as far as seeing dogs (and people) for how they are. There are other tools and methods that can be utilized in his techniques, but overall his philosophy is correct.
miscusi16 4 years ago 4
hes the man
bocher222 4 years ago
Thedogmom....please, for the sake of everyone....we all know that you hate, and are likely jealous of "The Dog Whisperer." Quit pretending that you know what the hell you are talking about, and stop spreading your nonsense....
dog1dog2 4 years ago
I've been studying dog behavior and training and consulting in behavior issues for over 12 years. I own a dog day care, boarding and training facility.
What are you credentials? Have you even tried to study or investigate other styles, or do you just believe everything you watch on TV reality shows?
Thedogmom 4 years ago
I've thrown the BS flag on your credential claims several times already...but hey, if making those claims is your bag....it is the internet after all....and, like it or not, I have credentials (I don't make claims here, because I'm sure as hell not going to try and prove them to anyone in cyber land). Maybe you should just ignore me and continue with your blatant lies...reasonable people see them for what they are anyways...
dog1dog2 4 years ago
cesar is the best thing that has happen to humans and doggs.
hecks305 4 years ago
Not likely. Look at the body language of the dogs he works with. Or the dogs on the cover of his book. Those are not happy dogs. They may be calm submissive, but they are not happy. Yes, you can train dogs with force and intimidation. But you can also train a dog just as well using positive reinforcement, and still have the dog like you.
Thedogmom 4 years ago
Nicely done! This must have been a very fun day trip for everyone. I'm sooo envious!
onekinkstar 4 years ago
Heh, Myroncope said "poop."
lol
mdooley83 4 years ago
Looks like an absolute awsome experience.
arcadiareptiles 4 years ago
hay i just wanted to let everyone know that the dog whisperer is going to be on the ghost whisperer on the 30th. i think its going to be quite different seeing him in this tpy of setting
GHOST WHISPERER, which stars Jennifer Love Hewitt, David Conrad and
Camryn Manheim, is broadcast Fridays (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS
Television Network.
GHOST WHISPERER is broadcast Fridays (8:00-9:00 PM, ET/PT) on the CBS Television Network.
butler1227 4 years ago
It's nothing special, it's good, but nothing special.
I didn't like it much.
Liked it, but not much. ;)
sparkleellie 4 years ago
Dominance theory has been discredited?? Are you kidding me?? Ever studied wolves in the wild? They dominate!! Ever studdied any carnivores? Dominance IS number one..Good lord..do you ever think before you speak??
angelface831983 4 years ago
Thedogmom's is just a malcontent who disagrees with his methods, and therefore makes false claims to attempt to discredit CM. She claims to be a "professional dog trainer/behavior counselor," and then makes flagrantly false statements. Odds are great that she is the exact type of mindless dog owner that CM is constantly attempting to train. Unlike them, she won't admit her horrible shortcomings with shaping he pet's behaviors. Does she ever think before she speaks? No intelligently...
dog1dog2 4 years ago
"dog1dog2" I agree with your comment regarding statements posted by "Thedogmom" especially because she kept going on and on . . .
onekinkstar 4 years ago
Well she isnt 100% correct, but she got some good points based on FACTS.
CM only does quick rehab and that is DANGEROUS.
My stepfather is one of the best Dog trainers/rehabilitator in Europe.
Dominance works, okay, but only for a short time!
The dog WILL try to CHALLENGE YOU.
And learning Dominance techniques to amateurs??? Thats insane!
Thanks to him my stepfather gets students with BITE MARKS all over their arms/faces...
Legoklas 4 years ago
Give me a break....first of all, BS on your stepfather claim. Provide proof and I'll believe accordingly. Secondly, the real issue is that the world is amazingly, flabbergastingly filled with people who are just too damn stupid to own a dog. Folks who show up with all these bite marks, etc. should instantly be tagged with "too dumb to own dogs" flag, and be banned from future ownership of dogs.
dog1dog2 4 years ago 2
I have to say, I do agree with this. Some people, sadly, should just not be allowed to own dogs. Human being can be very selfish and all about the benefits owning a dog brings them, but what about the dogs' needs? If you're not willing to let a dog be a dog, and assume a position of leader the dog understands, so it TOO can have a happy life, then please DO NOT GET A DOG!
Ladyd2k 4 years ago 2
I agree totally
Toolshed76 4 years ago
First of all, spell and grammar check. Second, wolves in the wild are not always fighting for dominance...there is an alpha pair that stay that way; animals know nothing of ambition. Third, animals are animals, no matter what human society they are in, or what anthropomorphism we impose upon them. Fourth, Cesar's show blatantly states not to try his techniques without consulting a professional. Fifth, physically subduing a dog and being calm assertive "pack leader" are two different things.
MariAnKenobi 4 years ago
No, I am a professional who has actually studied dog psychology, instead of just calling myself one, like Cesar. He does some good stuff, but his methods make those dogs more dangerous in the long run, because he makes people believe they are "fixed".
Thedogmom 4 years ago
You sound like you are trying to humanize dogs. If you are that knowledgeable about dog psychology the maybe you should have your own show. It has not been proven Cesar's dogs will turn aggressive in the long run. Humane treatment and humanizing a dog are two different things.
elpatriotaLX 4 years ago 3
Studies are being done right now on aggressive behavior and force based training. I know Cesar clothes himself in the language of "whispering" but he just used the same old force based stuff and calls it something new. Anyway, the links are being studied.
Thedogmom 4 years ago
I don't see any force at all in Cesars techniques.
Toolshed76 4 years ago
no they don't god you no shit about dog i have study dog for a long 20 yearstime to and can tell you this man no what he is doing so shut up you idiot 20 years and i have never seen anything this god you are what make dog bad in the long run thedogmom
hewie143 4 years ago
humans have always projected their own form of society on the animal kingdom. You can go back to the greeks, where their philosophy was projected onto how they saw the natural world, you can go to Algonquin indians who existed in "clans" and therefore said beavers did the same, and today, in our hierarchical society, people project "dominance" onto nature. There is not a wolf hierarchy. There are arbitrary agressive behaviors which assure the survival of the pack.
myroncope 4 years ago
Yo, Moroncope, human terms CAN be used to describe animal behavior! Ever hear of a "Queen Bee?" Do you think it is a coincidence that all the other bees serve a giant fat one? Hierarchy exists. Is it a coincidence that in wolf packs, there is one and only one who eats first? What, is he the luckiest wolf in the world?! No, he is the pack leader at the top of the hierarchy.
EazyEVM 4 years ago