You were correct that the Romans scattered us. History supports what you read in the Bible. Africans were sold in the Trans Atlantic slave trade. They cast lots, and men and women were sold as bondmen and bondwomen and their children were taken. (Deut 28:15-68) There were latter days and end times. We're in end times. 8th verse-the Sabeans are Sheba's people- Ethiopians. Read it with knowledge of trans-atl st and you'll start seeing the truth.
@lafathis Joel 3 has nothing to do with African slaves. Joel 3 concerns judging the nations AFTER restoring the Jews to their nation..which the world will divide their land, and ultimately send many Jews into another exile as recorded in Zechariah 14 and Luke 21 (falsely interpreted as AD 70). The only people fulfilling these prophecies are those people we have been calling Jews for over 3000 years...not Africans. The Western Nations (Greeks) and the Arabs are warring against Israel even now.
Joel 3 has been often overlooked...but it is very important. It corresponds to Zechariah 14 and Luke 21, where the Gentiles will trample Jerusalem, and send many Jews into exile, until the Messiah returns, who will deliver National Israel as is written in Romans 11. Also, those prophecies reveal the true intentions of the so-called "Peace-Plan"...the intent is to dissolve the Jewish state to appease the Arabs who controls the Oil reserves...We are certainly in the Last Days no doubt.
Wrong Jews are chosen to suffer, they are beneath you and I. They don't even believe in a heaven or hell they believe that when they die they just don't exist. Tell the truth you babbling Brit.
@ashia4life313 Sorry I don't understand this comment - I will give the benefit of the doubt that it is not as anti-Semitic as it sounds. I also don't believe that we go to heaven or hell when we die. 'Babbling Brit' - that's a new one!
@jeremypearce1 Dude how can I a Shia be anti-Semitic ? You see you don't have a clue we and cannot be anti-Semitic because we come from the same place. As for not believing in heaven or hell well that's your peoblem and a big one because if you don't chose then the choice has already been made, yes that means your going to hell. Then you belive but of course it will be to late.
Jackson, do you have a comprehension problem? The Heavenly father said many times and the Stenograghers confirmed they took down his words. Far from being confusing The bible has one theme running through all 66 books written by 44 men over 2,000 years. Show me one contadiction, I can show you many eminent men such as Sir Issac Newton who spent two thirds of his time studying the Bible where he discovered diffusion of light and gravity. Max Plank Quantum Mechanics, Yahwehnews dot comm
If god was in charge of the world, why cant he keep things in control so that way all this death and destruction and evil wont come to pass. . Why should my family or I have to suffer because of some power hungry wold politicians and bankers.
@phoenixrigingal The Bible teaches that we live in a cursed world precisely because of the evil in man. The good news is that He is in fact in control and one day we will all find that out.
buddy this is all about 70 ac and the dividing about the land is happening today, israels borders acording to the torah is much bigger than israels land today. King davids empire has been divided. We owned much of lebanon syria jordan and even some of iraq now its all been divided. as the torah says "i shall extend your land to the river euphrates which is in iraq
Here's a prophecy for you! God, who is omniscient, promised a Messiah to his chosen people despite the fact that he knew beforehand that Jews would reject him. Does this make the least bit of sense?
Also, what about Jesus's prophecy that he would return soon, within "this generation", So much for "prophecy".
@smb12321 In fact God promised Abraham that through his 'seed' Messiah, ALL nations would be blessed. It is specifically through the Jewish rejection of Jesus we non-Jews all have hope as we read in Romans 11, where we also find out that they will come back to him when Jesus returns.
'This generation' can be seen as a 'coming' of Jesus in AD70 and/or the generation that sees the sign of the fig tree - the budding of the Jewish state on 1948.
@jeremypearce1 I repeat, it makes zero sense for a god to send a Messiah to his chosen people knowing beforehand they would reject him. What's the point of the promise? The Ediomites were early Jewish followers that rejected the pagan idea of a man-god, virgin birth, miracles, etc
Read church history. The only thing all followers agreed was the eminent return of Jesus as preached by him, the disciples & Paul. None of this "tree is Israel" nonsense or Jews will return "later".
@jeremypearce1 This makes absolutely zero sense. Why in the world would god choose a people, promise a Messiah then send one he knew beforehand they'd reject? Why would a just and good god subject his chosen people to centuries of slaughter and persecution by Christians?
No matter how you rearrange verses, dates or "interpretations" (Jews must wait 1000's of years to believe?) it won't wash. I doubt prophecy because Christians can't even agree on their meaning.
@smb12321 : You obviously do not understand what you are reading, if you really do read the bible. When Yeshua said (paraphrased) "Some standing here will not taste death before seeing the Kingdom of God coming in His glory" was referring to those there who would see Him after His resurrection. Often times bible prophecy has two meanings. One for the current time and one for a time in the future. If you want to understand any subject you must study it thoroughly and not just a little here/there
@ljackso The idea that prophecy has two meanings is (sorry) absurd. It never did in the Old Testament. Prophecies were for the CURRENT generation. Who cares what happens hundreds of years from now?
Studying Christian origins (something few have done), the various fighting groups agreed on only one thing - Jesus' eminent return. Again, why would a god select a people, promise a Savior & send someone he knew beforehand they'd reject? No amount of "logic" can explain that gaping hole.
@smb123211 : I cannot give you a lesson in Theology but if you will study the Bible you will find that prophecy oftentimes does have two fulfillment's. One at the time the prophecy is given and another at a future time. Peace.
@ljackso Not only can you not give me a lesson, you can't even give me an answer to the question I asked. LOL In the real world, we call applying a random verse to some event that can possibly be stretched to make the slightest agreement "after the fact".
The Bible is full of wrong prophecy. Adam would die if he ate the fruit (lived 900 years). God would cast out all non-Jews (several times- wrong), David's kingdom would last forever (400 yrs), Jesus says the world will end soon, etc
@smb123211 : From your comments it is obvious that you have not studied the Word of God and have no understanding. That can be resolved if you just prayerfully read the Bible. I do not want to see you, or anyone, end up in Hell. I will just give you one example of your misunderstanding: 1. Adam did die, spiritually, the moment he ate the fruit. Because God had intended for him to live forever it took 900 years for him to physically die. Seek God while there is still time! Maranatha!
@ljackso Why is it that when folks have no answer for a simple question about god, it's ALWAYS 0you're dumb/don't understand or god works in mysterious ways or ya just gotta pray? I don't think for a second you believe folks thousands of years ago lived 900 yrs or that the sun stopped in the sky.
We pick & choose, conveniently ignoring Bible teachings that earthquakes, storms & illness are supernatural events. No one with an atom of sense thinks the sun stopped in the sky or animals talked.
@smb123211 : You seem to think you have all the answers but I beg to differ. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. An old song that says it all. Look around, the universe and all the stars and planets didn't just "happen". Look at all the various life forms, from viruses to mankind. Even ONE simple life form "coming" into existence is a very long shot, much less all that we see. There are LAWS in physics, math, thermodynamics etc. Where did these Laws come from? Who was the Law Giver?
@ljackso Why is it that when I point out the obvious (Christians do not believe some absurdities in the Bible (sun stopped, animals talk, sickness is from God or Satan and not germs) do I get this. As one wag said, it's not a crime to be dumb but why do they have to advertise it? (lol) The ignorance of biology, physics & cosmology is so obvious it's boring.
Better stick to yapping about prophecy on the side of the road that asking where everything came from? Where did god come from? lol
@ljackso why do you assume that physics, math, thermodynamics were given by anyone? you are begging the question. Why couldn't those laws have always existed?
@hempartist420 : Ever hear of "cause and affect"? Nothing comes from nothing. How did the universe come into existence? Even scientist know the universe had a beginning. There are "Laws" so there must be a Law Giver.
@ljackso no, we know that the universe is expanding, who said that the universe came into existence? all it did was expand, for all we know the universe could have always existed.
also if you are to make up this premise that there are laws there must be a law giver(out of thin air), then I can claim that this law giver must have had a law giver creator, who created the law giver?
@hempartist420: You need to read up on your science. Many scientist are beginning to admit that the universe had a designer. ALL agree that it had a beginning!
@ljackso lol, is that really your argument? belief in god is decreasing both in the overall population, and especially the scientific community. No credible scientist has claimed that there is a "designer"
also, the word "designer" could mean absolutely anything you want, you have to define your terms and then provide the evidence that shows this to be the case.
@hempartist420 : You are making yourself look foolish. You need to do some research. My degree is in Biology and I attend regional and national meetings with other scientist at least twice a year. What is your degree in? Perhaps we could meet and discuss this further.
@ljackso lol, no one needs a degree to know you're full of shit, who cares? you're avoiding the subject matter, like every other religious nut I've ever discussed this with. If you can't deal with the issue directly, and without fallacies, I'm going to have to assume that you don't have an answer.
@hempartist420 : You stated that "No credible scientist has claimed that there is a "designer" but that is entirely false. Either you do not know what you are talking about or you are a lair. Either way I have met many scientist who believe in God. It is clear from your post that you do not have a degree but insist that you "know" there is no God. One day you will be a believer because you will kneel before Him. I strongly suggest you get to know Him before that day and accept His mercy.
"I have met many scientist who believe in God. It is clear from your post that you do not have a degree but insist that you "know" there is no God."
don't put words in my mouth, you asshole... when did I say that I know there is no god? I didn't. I said CREDIBLE scientists, it doesn't matter how many "scientists" think there is a god, it doesn't make it true, if you have evidence of a god, please present your evidence.
ever had an honest debate in your life? guess not..
@hempartist420 You ask for evidence yet regardless of how much evidence one may present you will still deny because you refuse to believe. A great quote I heard goes like this: "You can lead an Atheist to evidence but you can't make him think". I guess to you the only credible scientist are the one who agree with you. I am telling you the truth because I do not want you to go to Hell. Believe in God and accept His mercy or perish. Choose wisely my friend.
@ljackso in other words, you don't have any evidence, you just want to say that you have evidence I won't understand because you have a super-brain that only theists can possess. The biggest cop-out I've ever heard.
And then you threaten me with hell, and then I know what you're going to say "I didn't threaten you with hell, god did", you theists are as predictable as they come... absolutely pathetic
@hempartist420 : No I am not threatening you with Hell and neither is God. We both are warning you that YOU are threatening yourself with Hell. It is your choice and yours alone. As for evidence it is all around you. Tell me how did the universe come into existence? If life just "evolved" how did it know it needed to reproduce so as not to perish? It had never experienced life or death before? Where did the "Laws" if science come from? Who was the "Law" giver? Where is YOUR proof there is no GOD
@ljackso no, god has never warned me of hell, the only reason I've ever heard of hell is because someone told me that I was going to hell, and I've yet to find a reason to believe you nutcases.
then you ask me "who was the "law" giver?" you're begging the question, logical fallacy
and just because you can't explain something about evolution or the universe, doesn't mean you can just fill in the gaps of your knowledge with any fairy tale you want... namely christianity...
@hempartist420 : The Bible is the Word of God and in it we are all warned of Hell, a place prepared for Satan and his angels. Mankind only goes there is he/she rejects the love and forgiveness of God through Yeshua (Jesus). It is a free gift. How can believing and trusting in God cost you anything? It gives meaning to life, it give hope. We have been given free will and each of us can choose to believe as we desire. As a biologist I see the fingerprint of God everywhere. Good luck and God bless.
I've never understood this INCREDIBLE arrogance of some christians, even as an indoctrinated child in the buckle of the bible belt I had to disregard the concept that god had authored that jumbled pile of scribblings you call the bible.
people wrote the bible, 2000 year old, mindless, unenlightened goat herders wrote this book, so by what authority do you claim this to be the divinely inspired authorship of any celestial being?
@hempartist420 : I have told you the truth, what you do with it is up to you. There is arrogance here but it is not with me. I am finished with this conversation. Have a good life and may God open your eyes.
@hempartist420 : I do care that is why I told you the truth. I look around me and see all the wonders of the universe and by faith I believe there is a God. You look around at all the wonders of the universe and by faith believe it all just happened. We both are relying on our respective "faith". I can live with my choice and you must live with yours. I wish you no evil. May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have mercy on you. Peace.
@ljackso I don't know what gave you the severe misapprehension that I have "faith" that things "just happened", that's ridiculous and uncouth, especially when I take much care to investigate what I don't understand, and try, using reason, to figure out the world around me and change my perspective as new evidence arises . Where as you presume an outcome and construct evidence to affirm your preconceived notions about the nature of the universe and admit to not be willing to change your mind...
Is a man preaching out of his car as trustworthy as a man selling suits out of his car? Just wondering. I am not sure how much of this guys statements I believe.
@ljackso I was on my way to work! I am not asking you to believe me personally - just trying to draw attention to some amazing things in the Bible, which we can certainly trust.
@jeremypearce1 : Sorry, it just looked strange to see someone preaching from their car. Maybe I need to be more open minded. I believe the Bible to be the ONLY true and complete work of God. I take what any man says with a grain of salt and check everything against the word of God. Peace.
The "Jews" have been scattered through the world for thousands of years. It should be no surprise that since God is calling the "Jews" back to their land that there will be "Jews" who are from Europe, Russia, Africa, Asia, America and many other countries. Let God decide who is a Jew and let us just support Israel and her people. Maranatha!
Jacob was a MAN ! whose name was changed to israel you cannot be a jew unless you are a direct descendants of him. In numbers i think 1:18 it tells you father determines the bloodline. Todays jews never call themselves israelites, they call themselves israelis, or jewish. Ish is a suffix meaning doubt. If something is greenish it is not really green it is kind of green. So todays jews (Khazars) are telling you they are not the real jews.
Joel 3 about selling a man for wine is about the arabs and africans selling the hebrew israelites into trans atlantic slave trade. When were todays jews sold ?
The jews in israel now are converts from 740 a.d. when king bulan of khazaria converted the nation during the papal crusades they are descendants of japeth. The israel in joel 3 are the black american people in part. The israelites are black americans.
When U understand zechariah 9:5 U can appreciate zechariah's pinpoint use of irony to 'seal' this prophecy!
The LORD YAH of israel is extolled (we know this because capital letters R used to spell lord) for the bounty of slaves. (true istael)
We know this prophecy was not meant for the ancients because none of israels ancient enslavers knew of the 'LORD' of hosts. This is merely the story of esau and jacob repeating it's self throough the ages.
@jeremypearce1 When referring to "My people Israel" are we talking about current day Jews living in "Israel" who are actually Europeans and Russians?
Why not the people who have been living in the land continuously for at least a thousand years and who genetic studies have proven their connection to the land and to the ancient Jews,the Palestinians?
@lexmlo I have to say I have heard so many theories on this thread about who the Jews are actually supposed to be! Most seem to think that it is the African people who are the real Jews.
A thousand years is not enough by the way, the Jews left 2,000 years ago in AD70, before which they had been there for around 1,000 years.
It is true that many came to Israel from Europe and Russia after 1948 but these were and are from Jewish communities in those countries.
@lexmlo There is indeed a Biblical connection between the Jews and Arabs/Palestinians - we can go right back to Genesis and look at Jacob/Esau and Isaac/Ishmael to see where this "ancient hostility" came from...
@lexmlo i think "my people of Israel" refers to anyone living in the land weather they are palestinian or jew... because 50 percent of israelis are in fact not from europe or russia many of the jews also came from the middle east, ethiopia, India, Yemen, Saudi Arabia.
And they have cast lots for my people and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. That sounds like the prophet was talking about the black people of the americas to me. I know of no jewish people who can claim that prophecy.
@akaroyalljelly What I was trying to say is that this is a prophecy of what will happen in Israel in the future... although in fact Jews have been taken captive many times in their history...
John 4:22-24: ... "for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
Christ cursed the Fig Tree(Literal Israel) and said no fruit will grow on them ever again.Galatians:The children of the flesh are not the children of the promise. If you are Christs than are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
The Bible is not a religious book, it is a book of a peoples heritage ! Read study & show yourself approved! If you understand we are in these ladder days.One would have to ask one self , who were his people that were tooken from the land ? Scattered to 4 corners of the earth. Cast his people for lots, What does this mean? Then read DEU; 28:15 to 68 and understand the curses.Then look around you and see which nation of people this could be.The Truth Was Sitting In Our Eyes The Whole Time.
@delf124 The Jewish people mean nothing more in god`s eyes, as the people of Zimbuabue. To claim otherwise, is the claim that god is racist. All this Torah and Bible nonsense is at the source of all the trouble in the Middle-East.
@jeremypearce1 I think your right about Joel 3 being relevent to the tribulation period and the time before that. I think Joel 3:7 "See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done", makes it clear that it is not the Jews that are scattered in the tribulation period it will be God punishing the nations for their sins against Israel and the Jews. Ezekiel 38-39 Daniel 8, 11 provides context for Joel 3.
@lizazoon All one needs to predict the future accurately is advanced knowledge concerning time travel. Scientiests are already working on methodologies to accomplish this.
@lizazoon well... there are some good examples of Bible prophecy already fulfilled. You might want to Google "the evidence you decide" and explore the top listed site ...
@oANWARoo Yes I am a real person and I did go to school. I have studied the history of Israel for over 40 years. Not sure about the stupid people comment.
What exactly is your point - perhaps it might be interesting after all?
@jeremypearce1 : Wll sir/lady if you studied the bible for 40 years, you must be able to tell me; Is there something wrong with the Jews, or is there something wrong with Isaiah`s prophecy about the coming of the Messiah. The jews are very versed in the scripture, yet after 2.000 years of studying the scriptures, they still don`t think , they crucufied the Messiah.
i'm happy to hear god is in control of the world. consider how messy it would be if he weren't. will xtians never cease to get these wondrous revelations from their divine holy writ inspired by a loving god? of course not, because this nonsense is proof.
@wp4866 Perhaps you have good reasons for your scepticism. For myself I do believe in a loving God who is in control and a Bible that 'proves' this to me. I sincerely hope the day does not come when you realise too late that in fact this is not 'nonsense' after all.
@jeremypearce1 we all think we have good reasons, right? you think a belief is a proof. this is good reasoning to you. do you think god's people, who were told to go and kill the infants and sucklings, thought they had very good reasons to obey. mormons have good reasons, as do muslims, scientologists, and on and on. i have to wonder at the reasoning of xtians on this very webpage who tell me i'm going to hell and they are glad of it. i despise your cult of hate and fear.
@wp4866 Hell is simply 'Sheol' the covered place or grave. We are all going there, Christian or not.
"Hate and fear" - Has that really been your experience?
God is love and true Christianity is a religion of love. I am sorry if I have in any way not reflected that. But love is not necessarily tolerance.
Christianity frees us from all fear including the greatest fear, death, through Jesus, and we hope for resurrection when Jesus returns - which imminent event my comment in fact referred to.
@jeremypearce1 -- which imminent event my comment in fact referred to. -- This event has been imminent for the last 2.000 years. When are people finally going to trash all these silly horoscopes(not prophecies)
@jeremypearce1 sheol makes sense to me. hate and fear from many in your group, yes, but absolutely not all. no, god is not love; that will not wash at all. having your indoctrinated servants murder others for your doctrines is not loving, it is psychotic. of course your belief frees you from fear of death. you bought into the believe or burn option and you chose the safe path. i would have also, it's a real no-brainer. you should be very happy to be one of the chosen few.
You get a life Landulf you loser! Bagging people on the internet because they have faith...yet u believe one idiots opinion who says gods a delusion...um yeh we are the morons lol...goodluck in the afterlife mate u will need it. But as long as u look cool on here hey? Great video Jeremy i loved it!
God is no respecter of persons. There are TWO Israels mentioned in scripture. Israel of the FLESH and Israel of the SPIRIT. (Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me) "Israel of the flesh" are the literal descendants of Abraham and are no more a "chosen" people than an Irishman."Israel of the spirit" are the ones that this prophecy in Joel pertains to.( See Gal 3:29) Stop looking at the middle east for spiritual answers. I know these prophecies well and you are way off. :0)
@carp1844 OK, let's go with that... so, Joel 3:2 gathering all nations to valley of Jehoshaphat (where is that?) to plead with them for 'Christians' whom they scattered (when?) and parted their land (what land?). v4 'Tyre and Sidon' - where do they fit in to the Christian story? v6 When and how did/will 'Christians' be 'sold to the Greeks' (who are they?) to be removed far from their border (what border?).. you've got to help me out here because I'm not getting it........
look at you, i know you really believe what you're saying without any sort of ulterior motive.. thats whats so sad.
"Israel" is NOT a Nation State. It is Gods People. The Jews are NOT Gods Chosen. How can you call yourself a Christian when you cant hear the words of Jesus in the New Testament? Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and gave us a New Covenant inwhich the Gentiles can also be Gods Chosen if they obey his commandments.
@nfusionlabs of course that is true. However, let's ask the apostle Paul "Did God reject His people?" Romans 11:1 .. ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.. v25-26 Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved..
Jews speak about a cruel massacre of the Jews in the Holy-land in the end of time, also Muslims mention this war in their books (Koran & Sunah), could you find this prophecy in the Christian bible?
@TheHizbAllah IF it does indeed apply to the end times then Zech 13:8-9 is one. Read also chapter 14
In the whole land," declares the Lord, ttwo-thirds will be struck down and yet one-third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'
Being in the car is really cool. IT shows me you are in the U.K. because you are on the proper side of the car. It has a nice natural green background, and most of all, shows natural lighting.
Has anyone ever thought about the possibility that the "Three Days" that Christ was supposed to be in Hell before His Ascension, may last 3000 years. 1000 years for each one of GOD'S days?
@ChatDEau69 Well, Jesus IS still here with us through the Spirit of course! It can be hell at times but you know, with him at our side it's not that bad really... maybe you disagree?
Thanks for that... I was on my way to work in the car. At the time I used to stop in a church carpark every day for a bit of time to read the Bible and pray. May look a bit strange I guess, but for me it was a great way to grow spiritually and I would recommend something similar to anyone who is out there seeking God. In fact, search for 'seeking God' and you will find another video I made in the car all about that.
Get a life, you morons......Read Richard Dawkings "The God delusion". If I make a prophecy today about Spain - well maybe in 2500 years I might get right....
I have a life thanks. This is one of those arguments that sounds right when you first hear it.. In fact Nostradamus, psychics and the like work on this principle - you can tell because of the numerous failed prophecies and the often obscure terms used. Actually read the Bible and you should find a whole different story. These are not just random single prophecies but specific repeating scenarios with multiple interacting parts - maybe Dawkins should do some of his famous probability sums on it.!
A very helpful insight into the places mentioned in this prophecy, modern day place names tend to obscure the truth of Scripture until we really look into the subject. Thank you, H.
Bless you. Thanks. The messiah came and they didnt even know it and going to be even harder for them to see whats about to happen now. So when the temple is here.. and someone comes along POOF just like its written they will be so ready to FOLLOW. Blind and cant even see. Its like GOD cant talk to them. JUST ASK. He does not change.
god sounds like a narrow minded xenophobe. or maybe this bile wasnt written by god?
oh wait it was written by an ancient jewish mystic. thats why you doomsday lunatics are so messed up reading the bletherings of some crazed rabbi from the ancient world thinking words from god. god did not write the bible, its not a holy book and dosent make demons shrivel up and die like you think, its full of nonsense! if you want to know gods mind read about jesus life dont second guess the future
It's not "replacement theology". The Church is simply a "continuation" of the "Seed of the Woman". This seed is spiritual, not literal. But Matthew 21:43 makes it very clear that the "kingdom" was taken from the national state of Israel, and given over to the Gentiles. Many of the prophecies written in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joel, Ezekiel, etc. were conditional prophecies, or conditional types of unconditional antitypes. The promises to Israel will now be fulfilled spiritually in the New Earth.
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
hannahhr, notice "and so all Israel will be saved"...in Greek: "In this manner all Israel will be saved", meaning "This is HOW All Israel will be saved"..... the subject is the good Olive Tree. This Olive Tree represents Jesus Christ, which in essence is the Church, as that is what Jesus came to build through His 12 apostles. The "fullness" of the gentiles must come "IN" (be joined to the Olive Tree) FIRST before it consists of the "all Israel" that will be saved. Jacob = crookedness.
6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
7 The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you.
8 You will again obey the LORD and follow all his commands I am giving you today.
9 Then the LORD your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb,
Paul is not referring to National Israel. He's referring to the spiritual seed of Abraham. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." (PROMISES MADE TO ISRAEL) (Gal 3:29). Now compare with Romans 9:7, that only those "IN ISAAC" shall their seed be called", and we know Israel came only through Isaac's line. (cont.)..
4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. 6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
God bless you friend, but you are wasting your time with Lysimachus. Just pray for him that God will open his spiritual eyes and ears. Sha-alu Shalom Yirushalayim. Maranatha!
Now Hannahr77, are you ready for the blockbuster? Don't read the following unless you've read my previous 2 comment posts:
Paul tells the Galatians, who are Gentiles:
"Now we, brethren, AS ISAAC was, ARE THE CHILDREN OF PRIMISE" (Gal 4:27)
Also notice that Paul is comparing the two covenants, Ishmael and Isaac. This proves that the seed is only spiritual, & that the "Jerusalem which NOW IS" (4:25) is "CAST OUT" (4:30), & now we only focus on the "free Jerusalem which is above" (4:26)
When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come upon you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you
So hannahr77, it is my pleading with you that you choose to see these precious truths I'm sharing with you. I'm more familiar with Dispensational Futurism than you will ever know, a culmination of 15 years of researched couples with my father's 30 years of ministerial research. The whole system of Dispensationalism (Futurism coupled Israel and the Church as 2 distinct groups and not one body) stems all the way back to Jesuit Theology and Hermeticism. You'd be blown away.
,the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The LORD will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your fathers,
10 if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Are the Jews back in the land and this where said even before they entered the land?
Once again, you do not perceive or graps types vs. antitypes. The conditions were already laid. Duet 30 was a condition in type form which will not be fulfilled in antitype form to Spiritual Israel. Israel today consists of Jews as inviduals and Gentiles. Not present-day warn-torn Jerusalem. They will NEVER accept the Messiah as a nation, only Jews as individuals. National Israel rejected Christ, and Jesus said "your house is LEFT unto you DESOLATE". Matthew 23:38
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
Did Paul lie? Does he say that all ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED? He says don't be ignorant which you are
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
wiil Israel se JESUS CHRIST again YES, When HE returns where do you think HE will return 2, N.Y. London, Paris? NO my friend it will Jerusalem on the mount Olive
hannahr, Jesus will come again, for all faithful Jews, including the the disciples, but He is not coming again for Old Jerusalem. Zecheriah 14 is not talking about the Second Coming. It's talking about the 3rd Coming at the END of the 1000 years, when all the saints return with Christ at the end of the 1000. The New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven. Christ's feet create a massive plain on the Mount of Olives for the NEW JERUSALEM FROM HEAVEN TO REST!!! This is ANTITYPICAL!
Exactly, so how does verse 39 prove that Israel will be saved after the house is "left desolate"? It proves nothing. Zero. Zilch. You act that just because they say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" somehow implies that this saves Israel. Christ aleady said the fig tree, which was a national symbol of Israel, would bear "no more fruit forever" (Matthew 21;19). And yes, don't try to argue that the fig tree does not represent Israel, because it most certainly does.
Jesus already said that the fig tree will bear no more fruit "for ever". You clearly want to destroy the scriptures and make it say something else. The fig tree in Matthew 21 was national Israel. The fig tree in Matthew 24 represents Spiritual Israel. :) Matthew 24 is talking about the WHOLE WORLD. Read the context. Jesus cannot contradict himself. If He says the fig tree will bear no more fruit forever, it means just that "FOR EVER". He's talking about Apostate National Israel.
Restoration of Israel 1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD : 2 "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you. 3 The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD."
Jeremiah 30:1-3 was fulfilled. After the captivity of Babylon in 589 B.C., 70 years later, Israel was restored for it's grand, last and Second Chance, the 70 weeks, from 457 B.C. at the decree of Artaxerxes to build and restore Jerusalem to 34 A.D. at the Stonong of Stephen, when the gospel went forth to the Gentiles. That was their last act. The 1260 days/years of Papal Supremacy and Antichrist rule began after that, beginning in 538 to 1798.
This is how you fail to ascertain the conditions to Israel:
Exodus 19:5 - "IF ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, THEN ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people." (Duet 30 is based on the condition that they will obey his voice)
Now go to Jeremiah 17 and read verses 20-27. Notice the conditions laid. Had israel remained faithful, and hallowed the Sabbath, then Jerusalem would have remained FOR EVER! But did they? Nope. The city was burned.
In Exodus, Jeremiah, and several other prophecies, the "conditions" were already laid. The words "IF" and "THEN" are very significant, although you choose to ignore them. Instead, you act as if Israel's rejection bears no eternal consequences. God gave Israel a second chance during the 70 weeks (and that 70th week was fulfilled in 34 A.D., it is not future). The conditions were not met, and Jesus explained in Matt 21:43 that Israel was now given over to another nation... (cont.)
Matthew 23:39 does not say anything about Israel being saved. To say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" does not mean Israel is saved. Rather, it is too late for Israel, but they will acknowledge that He is the Christ, for now they have no choice but to accept. They had their chance to accept though. Jesus even told the High Priest Caiaphus: "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" (Matt 26:64)
"Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 31
10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.'
hannah, I've done my part to show you the scriptures. If it is your choice to continuously manipulate scriptures, and constantly apply conditional prophecies and make them unconditional, even in the face of a nation who rejected the Messiah, then keep on doing so. It is u who wants to reward people for their sins. But mark my words. Israel as a nation will never be saved. Only Jews as individuals along with the rest of the Church. This I promise you. U will be looking to the Middle East in vain.
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
And I'm NOT Zionist. Both Doug Batchelor & Steve Wohlberg are Jews too, & both of these men are on a campaign writing books against Zionism. Read Steve Wohlberg's "Exploding the israel Deception", & Doug Batchelor's "Spiritual Israel". Just the fact that it says "until the fullness of the gentiles come in", PROVES that the "Israel" here being spoken of INCLUDES Gentiles! So therefore, the Church and Israel are ONE AND THE SAME! :) That is how All Israel will be saved!
Wow, so I am a liar now? I don't even need to defend myself because you know very well what the scripture says of falsely accusing your brother. You don't even know me, and yet you call me a liar. So sad.
What you also fail to recognize is that the Apostles recognized the prophecies of Jeremiah, Joel and Ezekiel as fulfilled in the Church! Even Paul recognize the Israelites as "OUR FATHERS" when speaking to the Church! (1 Cor 10:1-4) Eph 2:19,20 also makes it plain that WE (the Church!) are "fellowcitizens...of the Household of God!" And what is the "house of God"? Israel! The New Covenant was MADE to the House of Israel! Jesus called the Church the "Little Flock" (Luke 12:32). :)
Compare Joel 2:28-32 with Acts 2:16-21. These scriptures unambiguously declare that the prophets foresaw the Church. In the context of the Church, Peter declares in Acts 3:24: Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise FORETOLD OF THESE DAYS. Acts 15:14-17 is a quotation from Amos 9:11, 12.
taking out of the Gentiles a people for his name, agreed with the words of the prophets." Interestingly, the phrase "a people for his name", was used for Israel (Is 43:7) Deut 7:6; 14: 2; 28: 9, 10). Acts 15:14,15 is in perfect correlation with 1Pet 2:9,10 & Ex 19:5,6. These words prove that the Church, founded by Jesus & His twelve apostles, is the CONTINUATION of Israel; the Church is the new Husbandmen over the kingdom of God on earth (the vineyard).
If any 1 has manipulated scriptures it's you, ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED AS A NATION, when YESHUA comes back they will repent as written in Zechariah 14, and then all of Israel will be saved, you say that YESHUA will come again for the faithful Jews and the disciples what disciples might that be?
Psalm 14:7 7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
I've already pointed out. Israel will be saved. I agree 100%. But this "Israel" you are referring to has NOTHING to do with the warn-torn down Old Jerusalem in the Middle East, which the Lord has "cast out" according to Galiatians 4. This Israel that comes out of Spiritual Mount Zion is Spiritual Israel, realized in the Church. Even more yet, it will come out of Adventism.
Wow.. I haven't been around for a while and here is this really interesting debate going on.... I am with both of you on this. Yes lys the christian church is spiritual Israel but an honest reading of all of Romans 11 shows that Gentiles are, "grafted in" to natural Israel and yes hannah God "has not cast away His people" Romans 11:1. Christadelphians are distinctive I think in being Christians but also officially firm believers in the hope of (natural) Israel and the promises to the fathers.
romans 11 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account;
; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Here we go again. *rolls eyes*. U r determined to read Rom11 with Dispensational predilections, a fog in your glasses. The "mystery" in v25 is not saying the "national State of Israel" will be "grafted back in again". That's not the mystery. V20 says "that I might be grafted in". This is in reference to being grafted into the Olive Tree, which is Christ. Christ does not have 2 trees. V21 says "God spared NOT the natural branches". These natural branches represent Israel as a state.
This "grafting in again" has to do with an individaul basis, not a national basis. Once you grasp this concept, the true Israel of God will be understood. Israel is made up of "Jews and Gentiles", not a genetic seed. Paul uses himself (an individual) as an example of what this "re-grafting in" is all about, by stating in Rom11:1 - "For I ALSO am an Israelite." In other words, God has not cast away repentent Jews. But to say they will be saved separate from the Church is absurd rationale.
And the final nail to the coffin is the fact that biologists and scientists have proven that the Jews in Palestine today do NOT have a genetic linage stemming back to Abraham. The Jews today have lost their pure Jewish blood. They are not really Jews at all, but Khazars, which were a Turkish-like race that came route via the North Caspian Sea! There is a book called "Lost Israelite Identity: The Hebrew Ancestory Of The Celtic Races" by Yair Dividy, and "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jensen.
Hmm some 1 should had told Hitler this maybe 6 mil ppl would had been spared the horrible death camps, you really are to much now my ppl are not Jews really now. So according to you theres no Jews left in this world so now tell me what ppl will JESUS CHRIST save in Zec 12, and what abt Reve. 7
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
now tell me who are those 144.000, if not Jews? You are mocking GOD, by saying that HE doesn't know HIS ppl
I am 1/4th Jew. My mother is 1/2 Jew. The prominent speakers who preach the same things I have shown you (such as Doug Batchelor and Steve Wohlberg) are full blooded Jew. It's what we understand as "Jew" today. But that's okay. But even these men acknowledge that the Jews of today are so thoroughly mixed, that it is impossible to trace them to a direct line to Abraham. Hitler was actually listening to what the Jesuits were telling him to do. Let me explain in the next comment.
Hitler is inexcusable with what he did. But let's face reality. After 70 A.D., most of the Jews fled north. The nation of Israel was not re-instated until 1948. Between 70 A.D. & 1948 is about 1900 years of inter-marrying. The Jews fled north in 70AD and intermarried with the Caucasian & Turkish traces during this period of 1900 years. Although recognized as "Jew", they were very mixed. This is evidenced by the fact that there are some very Dark Jews, and also some very Blonde ones.
The Jesuits were the ones who developed the Illumanati. The Illumaniti came as a result of a Jesuit school that created them. the Illumaniti created the grand "Zionist" conspiracy. It is found in Albert Pike's blue-print for the 3 World Wars to bring about the New World Order. Part of the Zionist Jesuit Illumaniti conspiracy was to create a "psuedo-state" of Israel, which was the whole purpose for World War II. To create a reason to bring the Jews back to Israel. ... (cont.)
The whole "Dispensational" platform is the foundation to hold up the Zionist scheme. Why did the Jesuit Illumaniti want WW2? It was a game-plan to have an excuse to bring back so called "Jews" back to Palestine. The Catholic Jesuits hate the Muslims. They are a thorn in their flesh, interrupting their New World Order Plans. But there needs to be an excuse to go to war with Islam, right? How do we do that? Create a Straw-Man-State of Israel to IRRITATE the Muslem World....(cont.)
You were correct that the Romans scattered us. History supports what you read in the Bible. Africans were sold in the Trans Atlantic slave trade. They cast lots, and men and women were sold as bondmen and bondwomen and their children were taken. (Deut 28:15-68) There were latter days and end times. We're in end times. 8th verse-the Sabeans are Sheba's people- Ethiopians. Read it with knowledge of trans-atl st and you'll start seeing the truth.
lafathis 2 months ago
@lafathis Joel 3 has nothing to do with African slaves. Joel 3 concerns judging the nations AFTER restoring the Jews to their nation..which the world will divide their land, and ultimately send many Jews into another exile as recorded in Zechariah 14 and Luke 21 (falsely interpreted as AD 70). The only people fulfilling these prophecies are those people we have been calling Jews for over 3000 years...not Africans. The Western Nations (Greeks) and the Arabs are warring against Israel even now.
sugarhitman 2 months ago
Joel 3 has been often overlooked...but it is very important. It corresponds to Zechariah 14 and Luke 21, where the Gentiles will trample Jerusalem, and send many Jews into exile, until the Messiah returns, who will deliver National Israel as is written in Romans 11. Also, those prophecies reveal the true intentions of the so-called "Peace-Plan"...the intent is to dissolve the Jewish state to appease the Arabs who controls the Oil reserves...We are certainly in the Last Days no doubt.
sugarhitman 2 months ago
Wrong Jews are chosen to suffer, they are beneath you and I. They don't even believe in a heaven or hell they believe that when they die they just don't exist. Tell the truth you babbling Brit.
ashia4life313 3 months ago
@ashia4life313 Sorry I don't understand this comment - I will give the benefit of the doubt that it is not as anti-Semitic as it sounds. I also don't believe that we go to heaven or hell when we die. 'Babbling Brit' - that's a new one!
jeremypearce1 3 months ago
@jeremypearce1 Dude how can I a Shia be anti-Semitic ? You see you don't have a clue we and cannot be anti-Semitic because we come from the same place. As for not believing in heaven or hell well that's your peoblem and a big one because if you don't chose then the choice has already been made, yes that means your going to hell. Then you belive but of course it will be to late.
ashia4life313 2 months ago
Jackson, do you have a comprehension problem? The Heavenly father said many times and the Stenograghers confirmed they took down his words. Far from being confusing The bible has one theme running through all 66 books written by 44 men over 2,000 years. Show me one contadiction, I can show you many eminent men such as Sir Issac Newton who spent two thirds of his time studying the Bible where he discovered diffusion of light and gravity. Max Plank Quantum Mechanics, Yahwehnews dot comm
tendele7 3 months ago
If god was in charge of the world, why cant he keep things in control so that way all this death and destruction and evil wont come to pass. . Why should my family or I have to suffer because of some power hungry wold politicians and bankers.
phoenixrigingal 4 months ago
@phoenixrigingal The Bible teaches that we live in a cursed world precisely because of the evil in man. The good news is that He is in fact in control and one day we will all find that out.
jeremypearce1 3 months ago
buddy this is all about 70 ac and the dividing about the land is happening today, israels borders acording to the torah is much bigger than israels land today. King davids empire has been divided. We owned much of lebanon syria jordan and even some of iraq now its all been divided. as the torah says "i shall extend your land to the river euphrates which is in iraq
georgearigeorge 5 months ago
Here's a prophecy for you! God, who is omniscient, promised a Messiah to his chosen people despite the fact that he knew beforehand that Jews would reject him. Does this make the least bit of sense?
Also, what about Jesus's prophecy that he would return soon, within "this generation", So much for "prophecy".
smb12321 5 months ago
@smb12321 In fact God promised Abraham that through his 'seed' Messiah, ALL nations would be blessed. It is specifically through the Jewish rejection of Jesus we non-Jews all have hope as we read in Romans 11, where we also find out that they will come back to him when Jesus returns.
'This generation' can be seen as a 'coming' of Jesus in AD70 and/or the generation that sees the sign of the fig tree - the budding of the Jewish state on 1948.
jeremypearce1 5 months ago
@jeremypearce1 I repeat, it makes zero sense for a god to send a Messiah to his chosen people knowing beforehand they would reject him. What's the point of the promise? The Ediomites were early Jewish followers that rejected the pagan idea of a man-god, virgin birth, miracles, etc
Read church history. The only thing all followers agreed was the eminent return of Jesus as preached by him, the disciples & Paul. None of this "tree is Israel" nonsense or Jews will return "later".
smb123211 5 months ago
@jeremypearce1 This makes absolutely zero sense. Why in the world would god choose a people, promise a Messiah then send one he knew beforehand they'd reject? Why would a just and good god subject his chosen people to centuries of slaughter and persecution by Christians?
No matter how you rearrange verses, dates or "interpretations" (Jews must wait 1000's of years to believe?) it won't wash. I doubt prophecy because Christians can't even agree on their meaning.
smb123211 5 months ago
@smb12321 : You obviously do not understand what you are reading, if you really do read the bible. When Yeshua said (paraphrased) "Some standing here will not taste death before seeing the Kingdom of God coming in His glory" was referring to those there who would see Him after His resurrection. Often times bible prophecy has two meanings. One for the current time and one for a time in the future. If you want to understand any subject you must study it thoroughly and not just a little here/there
ljackso 5 months ago
@ljackso The idea that prophecy has two meanings is (sorry) absurd. It never did in the Old Testament. Prophecies were for the CURRENT generation. Who cares what happens hundreds of years from now?
Studying Christian origins (something few have done), the various fighting groups agreed on only one thing - Jesus' eminent return. Again, why would a god select a people, promise a Savior & send someone he knew beforehand they'd reject? No amount of "logic" can explain that gaping hole.
smb123211 5 months ago
@smb123211 : I cannot give you a lesson in Theology but if you will study the Bible you will find that prophecy oftentimes does have two fulfillment's. One at the time the prophecy is given and another at a future time. Peace.
ljackso 5 months ago
@ljackso Not only can you not give me a lesson, you can't even give me an answer to the question I asked. LOL In the real world, we call applying a random verse to some event that can possibly be stretched to make the slightest agreement "after the fact".
The Bible is full of wrong prophecy. Adam would die if he ate the fruit (lived 900 years). God would cast out all non-Jews (several times- wrong), David's kingdom would last forever (400 yrs), Jesus says the world will end soon, etc
smb123211 5 months ago
@smb123211 : From your comments it is obvious that you have not studied the Word of God and have no understanding. That can be resolved if you just prayerfully read the Bible. I do not want to see you, or anyone, end up in Hell. I will just give you one example of your misunderstanding: 1. Adam did die, spiritually, the moment he ate the fruit. Because God had intended for him to live forever it took 900 years for him to physically die. Seek God while there is still time! Maranatha!
ljackso 5 months ago
@ljackso Why is it that when folks have no answer for a simple question about god, it's ALWAYS 0you're dumb/don't understand or god works in mysterious ways or ya just gotta pray? I don't think for a second you believe folks thousands of years ago lived 900 yrs or that the sun stopped in the sky.
We pick & choose, conveniently ignoring Bible teachings that earthquakes, storms & illness are supernatural events. No one with an atom of sense thinks the sun stopped in the sky or animals talked.
smb123211 5 months ago
@smb123211 : You seem to think you have all the answers but I beg to differ. Nothing from nothing leaves nothing. An old song that says it all. Look around, the universe and all the stars and planets didn't just "happen". Look at all the various life forms, from viruses to mankind. Even ONE simple life form "coming" into existence is a very long shot, much less all that we see. There are LAWS in physics, math, thermodynamics etc. Where did these Laws come from? Who was the Law Giver?
ljackso 5 months ago
@ljackso Why is it that when I point out the obvious (Christians do not believe some absurdities in the Bible (sun stopped, animals talk, sickness is from God or Satan and not germs) do I get this. As one wag said, it's not a crime to be dumb but why do they have to advertise it? (lol) The ignorance of biology, physics & cosmology is so obvious it's boring.
Better stick to yapping about prophecy on the side of the road that asking where everything came from? Where did god come from? lol
smb123211 5 months ago
@ljackso why do you assume that physics, math, thermodynamics were given by anyone? you are begging the question. Why couldn't those laws have always existed?
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : Ever hear of "cause and affect"? Nothing comes from nothing. How did the universe come into existence? Even scientist know the universe had a beginning. There are "Laws" so there must be a Law Giver.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso no, we know that the universe is expanding, who said that the universe came into existence? all it did was expand, for all we know the universe could have always existed.
also if you are to make up this premise that there are laws there must be a law giver(out of thin air), then I can claim that this law giver must have had a law giver creator, who created the law giver?
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420: You need to read up on your science. Many scientist are beginning to admit that the universe had a designer. ALL agree that it had a beginning!
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso lol, is that really your argument? belief in god is decreasing both in the overall population, and especially the scientific community. No credible scientist has claimed that there is a "designer"
also, the word "designer" could mean absolutely anything you want, you have to define your terms and then provide the evidence that shows this to be the case.
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : You are making yourself look foolish. You need to do some research. My degree is in Biology and I attend regional and national meetings with other scientist at least twice a year. What is your degree in? Perhaps we could meet and discuss this further.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso lol, no one needs a degree to know you're full of shit, who cares? you're avoiding the subject matter, like every other religious nut I've ever discussed this with. If you can't deal with the issue directly, and without fallacies, I'm going to have to assume that you don't have an answer.
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : You stated that "No credible scientist has claimed that there is a "designer" but that is entirely false. Either you do not know what you are talking about or you are a lair. Either way I have met many scientist who believe in God. It is clear from your post that you do not have a degree but insist that you "know" there is no God. One day you will be a believer because you will kneel before Him. I strongly suggest you get to know Him before that day and accept His mercy.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso continued...
"I have met many scientist who believe in God. It is clear from your post that you do not have a degree but insist that you "know" there is no God."
don't put words in my mouth, you asshole... when did I say that I know there is no god? I didn't. I said CREDIBLE scientists, it doesn't matter how many "scientists" think there is a god, it doesn't make it true, if you have evidence of a god, please present your evidence.
ever had an honest debate in your life? guess not..
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 You ask for evidence yet regardless of how much evidence one may present you will still deny because you refuse to believe. A great quote I heard goes like this: "You can lead an Atheist to evidence but you can't make him think". I guess to you the only credible scientist are the one who agree with you. I am telling you the truth because I do not want you to go to Hell. Believe in God and accept His mercy or perish. Choose wisely my friend.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso in other words, you don't have any evidence, you just want to say that you have evidence I won't understand because you have a super-brain that only theists can possess. The biggest cop-out I've ever heard.
And then you threaten me with hell, and then I know what you're going to say "I didn't threaten you with hell, god did", you theists are as predictable as they come... absolutely pathetic
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : No I am not threatening you with Hell and neither is God. We both are warning you that YOU are threatening yourself with Hell. It is your choice and yours alone. As for evidence it is all around you. Tell me how did the universe come into existence? If life just "evolved" how did it know it needed to reproduce so as not to perish? It had never experienced life or death before? Where did the "Laws" if science come from? Who was the "Law" giver? Where is YOUR proof there is no GOD
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso no, god has never warned me of hell, the only reason I've ever heard of hell is because someone told me that I was going to hell, and I've yet to find a reason to believe you nutcases.
then you ask me "who was the "law" giver?" you're begging the question, logical fallacy
and just because you can't explain something about evolution or the universe, doesn't mean you can just fill in the gaps of your knowledge with any fairy tale you want... namely christianity...
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : The Bible is the Word of God and in it we are all warned of Hell, a place prepared for Satan and his angels. Mankind only goes there is he/she rejects the love and forgiveness of God through Yeshua (Jesus). It is a free gift. How can believing and trusting in God cost you anything? It gives meaning to life, it give hope. We have been given free will and each of us can choose to believe as we desire. As a biologist I see the fingerprint of God everywhere. Good luck and God bless.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso "The Bible is the Word of God"
I've never understood this INCREDIBLE arrogance of some christians, even as an indoctrinated child in the buckle of the bible belt I had to disregard the concept that god had authored that jumbled pile of scribblings you call the bible.
people wrote the bible, 2000 year old, mindless, unenlightened goat herders wrote this book, so by what authority do you claim this to be the divinely inspired authorship of any celestial being?
complete RUBBISH...
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : I have told you the truth, what you do with it is up to you. There is arrogance here but it is not with me. I am finished with this conversation. Have a good life and may God open your eyes.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso well you can believe what you want to believe, excuse me for thinking that you actually cared if what you believed was true...
hempartist420 4 months ago
@hempartist420 : I do care that is why I told you the truth. I look around me and see all the wonders of the universe and by faith I believe there is a God. You look around at all the wonders of the universe and by faith believe it all just happened. We both are relying on our respective "faith". I can live with my choice and you must live with yours. I wish you no evil. May the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob have mercy on you. Peace.
ljackso 4 months ago
@ljackso I don't know what gave you the severe misapprehension that I have "faith" that things "just happened", that's ridiculous and uncouth, especially when I take much care to investigate what I don't understand, and try, using reason, to figure out the world around me and change my perspective as new evidence arises . Where as you presume an outcome and construct evidence to affirm your preconceived notions about the nature of the universe and admit to not be willing to change your mind...
hempartist420 3 months ago
Is a man preaching out of his car as trustworthy as a man selling suits out of his car? Just wondering. I am not sure how much of this guys statements I believe.
ljackso 6 months ago
@ljackso I was on my way to work! I am not asking you to believe me personally - just trying to draw attention to some amazing things in the Bible, which we can certainly trust.
Thanks for the comment anyway..
jeremypearce1 5 months ago
@jeremypearce1 : Sorry, it just looked strange to see someone preaching from their car. Maybe I need to be more open minded. I believe the Bible to be the ONLY true and complete work of God. I take what any man says with a grain of salt and check everything against the word of God. Peace.
ljackso 5 months ago
The "Jews" have been scattered through the world for thousands of years. It should be no surprise that since God is calling the "Jews" back to their land that there will be "Jews" who are from Europe, Russia, Africa, Asia, America and many other countries. Let God decide who is a Jew and let us just support Israel and her people. Maranatha!
ljackso 6 months ago
Jacob was a MAN ! whose name was changed to israel you cannot be a jew unless you are a direct descendants of him. In numbers i think 1:18 it tells you father determines the bloodline. Todays jews never call themselves israelites, they call themselves israelis, or jewish. Ish is a suffix meaning doubt. If something is greenish it is not really green it is kind of green. So todays jews (Khazars) are telling you they are not the real jews.
brianduanemurdock 7 months ago
Joel 3 about selling a man for wine is about the arabs and africans selling the hebrew israelites into trans atlantic slave trade. When were todays jews sold ?
brianduanemurdock 7 months ago
@brianduanemurdock Well I heard this about Joel 3 applying to the slave trade so many times on this thread I'm almost starting to believe it myself!
Today's Jews have indeed not yet been 'sold' - my point in this video is that this must therefore be in the future..
jeremypearce1 5 months ago
The jews in israel now are converts from 740 a.d. when king bulan of khazaria converted the nation during the papal crusades they are descendants of japeth. The israel in joel 3 are the black american people in part. The israelites are black americans.
brianduanemurdock 7 months ago
11th MARCH 2010 - Japanese Govt FM condemns Israel over settlements & Jerusalem status
Exactly 1 Year Later
11th MARCH 2011 – Japan hit by apocalyptic Earthquake & Tsunami with ensuing nuclear & economic crises.
THE BIBLE says about ISRAEL :
I will bless them that bless thee ( ISRAEL ) & CURSE HIM that CURSETH THEE & in thee shall all families of the earth be blessed - GEN 12v3
CURSED BE every one that CURSETH THEE (ISRAEL) - GEN 27v29
go to >> wvvw.beyondcomingworldcrisis com
BeyondCWC 7 months ago
This guy is out of his mind thew palestinians haven't been living there continually his covenant is w/ the jews not the arabs GET A LIFE!!!!
pooh44100 8 months ago
Yeah it's probably the end...most Christians believe that is possible. The funny thing is most non Christians believe that is possible as well...
cchanderson 9 months ago
Great post. Thanks.
Tazz77 1 year ago
***blessed be the LORD; for I am rich;***
When U understand zechariah 9:5 U can appreciate zechariah's pinpoint use of irony to 'seal' this prophecy!
The LORD YAH of israel is extolled (we know this because capital letters R used to spell lord) for the bounty of slaves. (true istael)
We know this prophecy was not meant for the ancients because none of israels ancient enslavers knew of the 'LORD' of hosts. This is merely the story of esau and jacob repeating it's self throough the ages.
akaroyalljelly 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 When referring to "My people Israel" are we talking about current day Jews living in "Israel" who are actually Europeans and Russians?
Why not the people who have been living in the land continuously for at least a thousand years and who genetic studies have proven their connection to the land and to the ancient Jews,the Palestinians?
Just a though,hope you'll reply
lexmlo 1 year ago
@lexmlo I have to say I have heard so many theories on this thread about who the Jews are actually supposed to be! Most seem to think that it is the African people who are the real Jews.
A thousand years is not enough by the way, the Jews left 2,000 years ago in AD70, before which they had been there for around 1,000 years.
It is true that many came to Israel from Europe and Russia after 1948 but these were and are from Jewish communities in those countries.
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@lexmlo There is indeed a Biblical connection between the Jews and Arabs/Palestinians - we can go right back to Genesis and look at Jacob/Esau and Isaac/Ishmael to see where this "ancient hostility" came from...
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@lexmlo i think "my people of Israel" refers to anyone living in the land weather they are palestinian or jew... because 50 percent of israelis are in fact not from europe or russia many of the jews also came from the middle east, ethiopia, India, Yemen, Saudi Arabia.
1turner22 1 year ago
@lexmlo Judah is the Jews proper. The other tribes are scattered in many nations. Ireland, Russia, England and even Japan.
johnknoefler 6 months ago
And they have cast lots for my people and have given a boy for an harlot, and sold a girl for wine, that they might drink. That sounds like the prophet was talking about the black people of the americas to me. I know of no jewish people who can claim that prophecy.
akaroyalljelly 1 year ago
@akaroyalljelly What I was trying to say is that this is a prophecy of what will happen in Israel in the future... although in fact Jews have been taken captive many times in their history...
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
Very interesting, congratulations!
Jamtns 1 year ago
John 4:22-24: ... "for salvation is of the Jews. But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
cornerstone111 1 year ago
Christ cursed the Fig Tree(Literal Israel) and said no fruit will grow on them ever again.Galatians:The children of the flesh are not the children of the promise. If you are Christs than are you Abraham's seed and heirs according to the promise.
cornerstone111 1 year ago
The Bible is not a religious book, it is a book of a peoples heritage ! Read study & show yourself approved! If you understand we are in these ladder days.One would have to ask one self , who were his people that were tooken from the land ? Scattered to 4 corners of the earth. Cast his people for lots, What does this mean? Then read DEU; 28:15 to 68 and understand the curses.Then look around you and see which nation of people this could be.The Truth Was Sitting In Our Eyes The Whole Time.
delf124 1 year ago
@delf124 The Jewish people mean nothing more in god`s eyes, as the people of Zimbuabue. To claim otherwise, is the claim that god is racist. All this Torah and Bible nonsense is at the source of all the trouble in the Middle-East.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon Did you read & understand what Yahuwah is saying? What can't you understand? Are you really saying prophecy is a lie?
delf124 1 year ago
@delf124 That`s exactly what I am saying. It`s bullshit.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon Thats why you would'nt, but your ignorance wont stop anything.All this happening is just the earth changing. RIGHT
delf124 1 year ago
@lizazoon so now ur just rufusing the truth... o well i tried
aell0111 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 I think your right about Joel 3 being relevent to the tribulation period and the time before that. I think Joel 3:7 "See, I am going to rouse them out of the places to which you sold them, and I will return on your own heads what you have done", makes it clear that it is not the Jews that are scattered in the tribulation period it will be God punishing the nations for their sins against Israel and the Jews. Ezekiel 38-39 Daniel 8, 11 provides context for Joel 3.
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit All prophecy, biblical or other is nonsense. Nobody can predict the future accurately.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon All one needs to predict the future accurately is advanced knowledge concerning time travel. Scientiests are already working on methodologies to accomplish this.
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@lizazoon well... there are some good examples of Bible prophecy already fulfilled. You might want to Google "the evidence you decide" and explore the top listed site ...
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 > No sir/lady they are not fulfilled, because NONE has EXACT IRREFUTABLE data. Your horoscope is fulfilled every day.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon type in in utube search "Who Created God? Where Did God Come From? Proof of God" and watch the one by LetsTalkChrist
aell0111 1 year ago
@aell0111 Bible prophecy, like any other prophecy is utter nonsense.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon but did u watch the video?
aell0111 1 year ago
@aell0111: I do not need to watch that video. I know history and I know what`s in the bible. The video is bullshit.
lizazoon 1 year ago
@lizazoon
God already predicted it...accurately.
Tazz77 1 year ago
IS THIS GUY FOR REAL
did he go 2 school????
do he not know the 5000 years history of ISERAL ???????
man world is ful of stupid people
oANWARoo 1 year ago
@oANWARoo Yes I am a real person and I did go to school. I have studied the history of Israel for over 40 years. Not sure about the stupid people comment.
What exactly is your point - perhaps it might be interesting after all?
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 : Wll sir/lady if you studied the bible for 40 years, you must be able to tell me; Is there something wrong with the Jews, or is there something wrong with Isaiah`s prophecy about the coming of the Messiah. The jews are very versed in the scripture, yet after 2.000 years of studying the scriptures, they still don`t think , they crucufied the Messiah.
lizazoon 1 year ago
i'm happy to hear god is in control of the world. consider how messy it would be if he weren't. will xtians never cease to get these wondrous revelations from their divine holy writ inspired by a loving god? of course not, because this nonsense is proof.
wp4866 1 year ago
@wp4866 Perhaps you have good reasons for your scepticism. For myself I do believe in a loving God who is in control and a Bible that 'proves' this to me. I sincerely hope the day does not come when you realise too late that in fact this is not 'nonsense' after all.
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 we all think we have good reasons, right? you think a belief is a proof. this is good reasoning to you. do you think god's people, who were told to go and kill the infants and sucklings, thought they had very good reasons to obey. mormons have good reasons, as do muslims, scientologists, and on and on. i have to wonder at the reasoning of xtians on this very webpage who tell me i'm going to hell and they are glad of it. i despise your cult of hate and fear.
wp4866 1 year ago
@wp4866 Hell is simply 'Sheol' the covered place or grave. We are all going there, Christian or not.
"Hate and fear" - Has that really been your experience?
God is love and true Christianity is a religion of love. I am sorry if I have in any way not reflected that. But love is not necessarily tolerance.
Christianity frees us from all fear including the greatest fear, death, through Jesus, and we hope for resurrection when Jesus returns - which imminent event my comment in fact referred to.
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 -- which imminent event my comment in fact referred to. -- This event has been imminent for the last 2.000 years. When are people finally going to trash all these silly horoscopes(not prophecies)
lizazoon 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1 sheol makes sense to me. hate and fear from many in your group, yes, but absolutely not all. no, god is not love; that will not wash at all. having your indoctrinated servants murder others for your doctrines is not loving, it is psychotic. of course your belief frees you from fear of death. you bought into the believe or burn option and you chose the safe path. i would have also, it's a real no-brainer. you should be very happy to be one of the chosen few.
wp4866 1 year ago
Interesting so you think that Joel 3 refers to some deportation event for the jews out of israel in tribulation or pre tribulation period.
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit That seems to me be the message here - what do you think?
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
(1Thessalonians 5:21) Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
(Isaiah 8:20) To the Law = and to the testimony! = If = they do NOT speak according TO this Word, = it is because NO light = is in them.
(Luke 16:31) And he said to him, If they = do NOT = hear Moses and the Prophets, = they will NOT = be persuaded, = even though one rose from the dead.
ROGER459 1 year ago
@ROGER459 Thanks for the comment - great quotes!
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
What kinda car is that?
andrewprofit 1 year ago
@andrewprofit Vauxhall Vectra...
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
You get a life Landulf you loser! Bagging people on the internet because they have faith...yet u believe one idiots opinion who says gods a delusion...um yeh we are the morons lol...goodluck in the afterlife mate u will need it. But as long as u look cool on here hey? Great video Jeremy i loved it!
mavaism 1 year ago
God is no respecter of persons. There are TWO Israels mentioned in scripture. Israel of the FLESH and Israel of the SPIRIT. (Look it up for yourself if you don't believe me) "Israel of the flesh" are the literal descendants of Abraham and are no more a "chosen" people than an Irishman."Israel of the spirit" are the ones that this prophecy in Joel pertains to.( See Gal 3:29) Stop looking at the middle east for spiritual answers. I know these prophecies well and you are way off. :0)
carp1844 1 year ago
@carp1844 OK, let's go with that... so, Joel 3:2 gathering all nations to valley of Jehoshaphat (where is that?) to plead with them for 'Christians' whom they scattered (when?) and parted their land (what land?). v4 'Tyre and Sidon' - where do they fit in to the Christian story? v6 When and how did/will 'Christians' be 'sold to the Greeks' (who are they?) to be removed far from their border (what border?).. you've got to help me out here because I'm not getting it........
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
look at you, i know you really believe what you're saying without any sort of ulterior motive.. thats whats so sad.
"Israel" is NOT a Nation State. It is Gods People. The Jews are NOT Gods Chosen. How can you call yourself a Christian when you cant hear the words of Jesus in the New Testament? Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and gave us a New Covenant inwhich the Gentiles can also be Gods Chosen if they obey his commandments.
You've been fooled.
nfusionlabs 1 year ago
@nfusionlabs of course that is true. However, let's ask the apostle Paul "Did God reject His people?" Romans 11:1 .. ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew.. v25-26 Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved..
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
Thanks !!!!!!!!
sulomor 1 year ago
Jews speak about a cruel massacre of the Jews in the Holy-land in the end of time, also Muslims mention this war in their books (Koran & Sunah), could you find this prophecy in the Christian bible?
Thnx
TheHizbAllah 1 year ago
@TheHizbAllah IF it does indeed apply to the end times then Zech 13:8-9 is one. Read also chapter 14
In the whole land," declares the Lord, ttwo-thirds will be struck down and yet one-third will be left in it. This third I will bring into the fire; I will refine them like silver and test them like gold. They will call on my name and I will answer them; I will say, 'They are my people,' and they will say, 'The LORD is our God.'
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
Being in the car is really cool. IT shows me you are in the U.K. because you are on the proper side of the car. It has a nice natural green background, and most of all, shows natural lighting.
mgmorrell 1 year ago
Has anyone ever thought about the possibility that the "Three Days" that Christ was supposed to be in Hell before His Ascension, may last 3000 years. 1000 years for each one of GOD'S days?
Is He still here in Hell with us?
Think about that.
Peace
ChatDEau69 2 years ago
@ChatDEau69 Well, Jesus IS still here with us through the Spirit of course! It can be hell at times but you know, with him at our side it's not that bad really... maybe you disagree?
jeremypearce1 1 year ago
@jeremypearce1; Surely Goodness and Mercy shall follow me in all the days of my life, and I will dwell in the House of the Lord forever!
Peace Brother.
ChatDEau69 1 year ago
A lot of truth here but why are you in a CAR??? It distracts from your message. Anyway God bless.
Personally I fear for America as our President seems bent on turning his back on Israel. That is a BIG mistake. Maranatha!
ljackso 2 years ago
Thanks for that... I was on my way to work in the car. At the time I used to stop in a church carpark every day for a bit of time to read the Bible and pray. May look a bit strange I guess, but for me it was a great way to grow spiritually and I would recommend something similar to anyone who is out there seeking God. In fact, search for 'seeking God' and you will find another video I made in the car all about that.
jeremypearce1 2 years ago
Get a life, you morons......Read Richard Dawkings "The God delusion". If I make a prophecy today about Spain - well maybe in 2500 years I might get right....
landulf88 2 years ago
I have a life thanks. This is one of those arguments that sounds right when you first hear it.. In fact Nostradamus, psychics and the like work on this principle - you can tell because of the numerous failed prophecies and the often obscure terms used. Actually read the Bible and you should find a whole different story. These are not just random single prophecies but specific repeating scenarios with multiple interacting parts - maybe Dawkins should do some of his famous probability sums on it.!
jeremypearce1 2 years ago
A very helpful insight into the places mentioned in this prophecy, modern day place names tend to obscure the truth of Scripture until we really look into the subject. Thank you, H.
g00dtojulie 2 years ago
Bless you. Thanks. The messiah came and they didnt even know it and going to be even harder for them to see whats about to happen now. So when the temple is here.. and someone comes along POOF just like its written they will be so ready to FOLLOW. Blind and cant even see. Its like GOD cant talk to them. JUST ASK. He does not change.
Dosblade 2 years ago
god sounds like a narrow minded xenophobe. or maybe this bile wasnt written by god?
oh wait it was written by an ancient jewish mystic. thats why you doomsday lunatics are so messed up reading the bletherings of some crazed rabbi from the ancient world thinking words from god. god did not write the bible, its not a holy book and dosent make demons shrivel up and die like you think, its full of nonsense! if you want to know gods mind read about jesus life dont second guess the future
lucasleivia 2 years ago
This regathering of Israel is simply referring to the Church, Spiritual Israel.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Replacement theology
Why do you think Israel is back?
hannahr77 2 years ago
It's not "replacement theology". The Church is simply a "continuation" of the "Seed of the Woman". This seed is spiritual, not literal. But Matthew 21:43 makes it very clear that the "kingdom" was taken from the national state of Israel, and given over to the Gentiles. Many of the prophecies written in Isaiah, Jeremiah, Joel, Ezekiel, etc. were conditional prophecies, or conditional types of unconditional antitypes. The promises to Israel will now be fulfilled spiritually in the New Earth.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Romans 11
All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob.
27 And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
hannahr77 2 years ago
hannahhr, notice "and so all Israel will be saved"...in Greek: "In this manner all Israel will be saved", meaning "This is HOW All Israel will be saved"..... the subject is the good Olive Tree. This Olive Tree represents Jesus Christ, which in essence is the Church, as that is what Jesus came to build through His 12 apostles. The "fullness" of the gentiles must come "IN" (be joined to the Olive Tree) FIRST before it consists of the "all Israel" that will be saved. Jacob = crookedness.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Deuteronomy 30
6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
7 The LORD your God will put all these curses on your enemies who hate and persecute you.
8 You will again obey the LORD and follow all his commands I am giving you today.
9 Then the LORD your God will make you most prosperous in all the work of your hands and in the fruit of your womb,
hannahr77 2 years ago
Paul is not referring to National Israel. He's referring to the spiritual seed of Abraham. "There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are ALL ONE in Christ Jesus. And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs ACCORDING TO THE PROMISE." (PROMISES MADE TO ISRAEL) (Gal 3:29). Now compare with Romans 9:7, that only those "IN ISAAC" shall their seed be called", and we know Israel came only through Isaac's line. (cont.)..
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
4 Even if you have been banished to the most distant land under the heavens, from there the LORD your God will gather you and bring you back. 5 He will bring you to the land that belonged to your fathers, and you will take possession of it. He will make you more prosperous and numerous than your fathers. 6 The LORD your God will circumcise your hearts and the hearts of your descendants, so that you may love him with all your heart and with all your soul, and live.
hannahr77 2 years ago
God bless you friend, but you are wasting your time with Lysimachus. Just pray for him that God will open his spiritual eyes and ears. Sha-alu Shalom Yirushalayim. Maranatha!
ljackso 2 years ago
@ljackso,
Check your Inbox.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
Now Hannahr77, are you ready for the blockbuster? Don't read the following unless you've read my previous 2 comment posts:
Paul tells the Galatians, who are Gentiles:
"Now we, brethren, AS ISAAC was, ARE THE CHILDREN OF PRIMISE" (Gal 4:27)
Also notice that Paul is comparing the two covenants, Ishmael and Isaac. This proves that the seed is only spiritual, & that the "Jerusalem which NOW IS" (4:25) is "CAST OUT" (4:30), & now we only focus on the "free Jerusalem which is above" (4:26)
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Deuteronomy 30
When all these blessings and curses I have set before you come upon you and you take them to heart wherever the LORD your God disperses you among the nations, 2 and when you and your children return to the LORD your God and obey him with all your heart and with all your soul according to everything I command you today, 3 then the LORD your God will restore your fortunes and have compassion on you and gather you again from all the nations where he scattered you
hannahr77 2 years ago
So hannahr77, it is my pleading with you that you choose to see these precious truths I'm sharing with you. I'm more familiar with Dispensational Futurism than you will ever know, a culmination of 15 years of researched couples with my father's 30 years of ministerial research. The whole system of Dispensationalism (Futurism coupled Israel and the Church as 2 distinct groups and not one body) stems all the way back to Jesuit Theology and Hermeticism. You'd be blown away.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lye
acts 1
7 He said to them: "It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority
9 After he said this, he was taken up before their very eyes, and a cloud hid him from their sight.
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
hannahr77 2 years ago
Pride cometh before a fall.
ljackso 2 years ago
Deute 30
,the young of your livestock and the crops of your land. The LORD will again delight in you and make you prosperous, just as he delighted in your fathers,
10 if you obey the LORD your God and keep his commands and decrees that are written in this Book of the Law and turn to the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul.
Are the Jews back in the land and this where said even before they entered the land?
hannahr77 2 years ago
Hannahr77,
Once again, you do not perceive or graps types vs. antitypes. The conditions were already laid. Duet 30 was a condition in type form which will not be fulfilled in antitype form to Spiritual Israel. Israel today consists of Jews as inviduals and Gentiles. Not present-day warn-torn Jerusalem. They will NEVER accept the Messiah as a nation, only Jews as individuals. National Israel rejected Christ, and Jesus said "your house is LEFT unto you DESOLATE". Matthew 23:38
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26 And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27 And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
Did Paul lie? Does he say that all ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED? He says don't be ignorant which you are
hannahr77 2 years ago
lys
Acts 1
10 They were looking intently up into the sky as he was going, when suddenly two men dressed in white stood beside them.
11 "Men of Galilee," they said, "why do you stand here looking into the sky? This same Jesus, who has been taken from you into heaven, will come back in the same way you have seen him go into heaven."
wiil Israel se JESUS CHRIST again YES, When HE returns where do you think HE will return 2, N.Y. London, Paris? NO my friend it will Jerusalem on the mount Olive
hannahr77 2 years ago
hannahr, Jesus will come again, for all faithful Jews, including the the disciples, but He is not coming again for Old Jerusalem. Zecheriah 14 is not talking about the Second Coming. It's talking about the 3rd Coming at the END of the 1000 years, when all the saints return with Christ at the end of the 1000. The New Jerusalem comes down out of heaven. Christ's feet create a massive plain on the Mount of Olives for the NEW JERUSALEM FROM HEAVEN TO REST!!! This is ANTITYPICAL!
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
your lying my dear friend, and yes every knee will bow, which means jews also
hannahr77 2 years ago
Exactly, so how does verse 39 prove that Israel will be saved after the house is "left desolate"? It proves nothing. Zero. Zilch. You act that just because they say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" somehow implies that this saves Israel. Christ aleady said the fig tree, which was a national symbol of Israel, would bear "no more fruit forever" (Matthew 21;19). And yes, don't try to argue that the fig tree does not represent Israel, because it most certainly does.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Matthew 24
32 "Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near.
33 Even so, when you see all these things, you know that if is near, right at the door.
Of course the fig tree does represent Israel and it also will bear fruit again
hannahr77 2 years ago
Jesus already said that the fig tree will bear no more fruit "for ever". You clearly want to destroy the scriptures and make it say something else. The fig tree in Matthew 21 was national Israel. The fig tree in Matthew 24 represents Spiritual Israel. :) Matthew 24 is talking about the WHOLE WORLD. Read the context. Jesus cannot contradict himself. If He says the fig tree will bear no more fruit forever, it means just that "FOR EVER". He's talking about Apostate National Israel.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Jeremiah 30
Restoration of Israel 1 This is the word that came to Jeremiah from the LORD : 2 "This is what the LORD, the God of Israel, says: 'Write in a book all the words I have spoken to you. 3 The days are coming,' declares the LORD, 'when I will bring my people Israel and Judah back from captivity and restore them to the land I gave their forefathers to possess,' says the LORD."
hannahr77 2 years ago
hannahr77,
Jeremiah 30:1-3 was fulfilled. After the captivity of Babylon in 589 B.C., 70 years later, Israel was restored for it's grand, last and Second Chance, the 70 weeks, from 457 B.C. at the decree of Artaxerxes to build and restore Jerusalem to 34 A.D. at the Stonong of Stephen, when the gospel went forth to the Gentiles. That was their last act. The 1260 days/years of Papal Supremacy and Antichrist rule began after that, beginning in 538 to 1798.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
Thinking themselves wise they became fools.
ljackso 2 years ago
hannahr77,
This is how you fail to ascertain the conditions to Israel:
Exodus 19:5 - "IF ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, THEN ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people." (Duet 30 is based on the condition that they will obey his voice)
Now go to Jeremiah 17 and read verses 20-27. Notice the conditions laid. Had israel remained faithful, and hallowed the Sabbath, then Jerusalem would have remained FOR EVER! But did they? Nope. The city was burned.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Matthew 23
38 Look, your house is left to you desolate. (you forgot v. 39)
39 For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord"
Will they se JESUS CHRIST again, YES, because 1 day they will say baruch haba b'SHEM ADONAI,
Psalm 118
26 Blessed is he who comes in the name of the LORD..
Acts 1
6 So when they met together, they asked him, "Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?"
hannahr77 2 years ago
Hannahr,
In Exodus, Jeremiah, and several other prophecies, the "conditions" were already laid. The words "IF" and "THEN" are very significant, although you choose to ignore them. Instead, you act as if Israel's rejection bears no eternal consequences. God gave Israel a second chance during the 70 weeks (and that 70th week was fulfilled in 34 A.D., it is not future). The conditions were not met, and Jesus explained in Matt 21:43 that Israel was now given over to another nation... (cont.)
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
Matthew 23:39 does not say anything about Israel being saved. To say "Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord" does not mean Israel is saved. Rather, it is too late for Israel, but they will acknowledge that He is the Christ, for now they have no choice but to accept. They had their chance to accept though. Jesus even told the High Priest Caiaphus: "Hereafter shall ye see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven" (Matt 26:64)
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
37 This is what the LORD says:
"Only if the heavens above can be measured and the foundations of the earth below be searched out will I reject all the descendants of Israel because of all they have done," declares the LORD.
Jeremiah 31
10 "Hear the word of the LORD, O nations; proclaim it in distant coastlands: 'He who scattered Israel will gather them and will watch over his flock like a shepherd.'
hannahr77 2 years ago
hannah, I've done my part to show you the scriptures. If it is your choice to continuously manipulate scriptures, and constantly apply conditional prophecies and make them unconditional, even in the face of a nation who rejected the Messiah, then keep on doing so. It is u who wants to reward people for their sins. But mark my words. Israel as a nation will never be saved. Only Jews as individuals along with the rest of the Church. This I promise you. U will be looking to the Middle East in vain.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Does the scripture say that
All Israel Will Be Saved
25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."
I AM A JEW AND ALSO A ZIONIST
hannahr77 2 years ago
Yes, I am Jew also. ;)
And I'm NOT Zionist. Both Doug Batchelor & Steve Wohlberg are Jews too, & both of these men are on a campaign writing books against Zionism. Read Steve Wohlberg's "Exploding the israel Deception", & Doug Batchelor's "Spiritual Israel". Just the fact that it says "until the fullness of the gentiles come in", PROVES that the "Israel" here being spoken of INCLUDES Gentiles! So therefore, the Church and Israel are ONE AND THE SAME! :) That is how All Israel will be saved!
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Yes, I am Jew also. ;)
I don't think so, and this is a lie
"Christ's feet create a massive plain on the Mount of Olives for the NEW JERUSALEM FROM HEAVEN TO REST!!! This is ANTITYPICAL! "
hannahr77 2 years ago
hannah,
Wow, so I am a liar now? I don't even need to defend myself because you know very well what the scripture says of falsely accusing your brother. You don't even know me, and yet you call me a liar. So sad.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
What you also fail to recognize is that the Apostles recognized the prophecies of Jeremiah, Joel and Ezekiel as fulfilled in the Church! Even Paul recognize the Israelites as "OUR FATHERS" when speaking to the Church! (1 Cor 10:1-4) Eph 2:19,20 also makes it plain that WE (the Church!) are "fellowcitizens...of the Household of God!" And what is the "house of God"? Israel! The New Covenant was MADE to the House of Israel! Jesus called the Church the "Little Flock" (Luke 12:32). :)
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
Compare Joel 2:28-32 with Acts 2:16-21. These scriptures unambiguously declare that the prophets foresaw the Church. In the context of the Church, Peter declares in Acts 3:24: Yea, and all the prophets from Samuel and those that follow after, as many as have spoken, have likewise FORETOLD OF THESE DAYS. Acts 15:14-17 is a quotation from Amos 9:11, 12.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
In Acts 15:14,15, James states that, "God
taking out of the Gentiles a people for his name, agreed with the words of the prophets." Interestingly, the phrase "a people for his name", was used for Israel (Is 43:7) Deut 7:6; 14: 2; 28: 9, 10). Acts 15:14,15 is in perfect correlation with 1Pet 2:9,10 & Ex 19:5,6. These words prove that the Church, founded by Jesus & His twelve apostles, is the CONTINUATION of Israel; the Church is the new Husbandmen over the kingdom of God on earth (the vineyard).
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
lys
If any 1 has manipulated scriptures it's you, ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED AS A NATION, when YESHUA comes back they will repent as written in Zechariah 14, and then all of Israel will be saved, you say that YESHUA will come again for the faithful Jews and the disciples what disciples might that be?
Psalm 14:7 7 Oh, that salvation for Israel would come out of Zion! When the LORD restores the fortunes of his people, let Jacob rejoice and Israel be glad!
hannahr77 2 years ago
hannah,
I've already pointed out. Israel will be saved. I agree 100%. But this "Israel" you are referring to has NOTHING to do with the warn-torn down Old Jerusalem in the Middle East, which the Lord has "cast out" according to Galiatians 4. This Israel that comes out of Spiritual Mount Zion is Spiritual Israel, realized in the Church. Even more yet, it will come out of Adventism.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
Wow.. I haven't been around for a while and here is this really interesting debate going on.... I am with both of you on this. Yes lys the christian church is spiritual Israel but an honest reading of all of Romans 11 shows that Gentiles are, "grafted in" to natural Israel and yes hannah God "has not cast away His people" Romans 11:1. Christadelphians are distinctive I think in being Christians but also officially firm believers in the hope of (natural) Israel and the promises to the fathers.
jeremypearce1 2 years ago
ly
rom 11
romans 11 25 I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in.
26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:
"The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. 27And this is my covenant with them
when I take away their sins."
28As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account;
con
hannahr77 2 years ago
rom 11
; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs,
29 for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable.
30 Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now[h] receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you.
32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
hannahr77 2 years ago
@hannahr
Here we go again. *rolls eyes*. U r determined to read Rom11 with Dispensational predilections, a fog in your glasses. The "mystery" in v25 is not saying the "national State of Israel" will be "grafted back in again". That's not the mystery. V20 says "that I might be grafted in". This is in reference to being grafted into the Olive Tree, which is Christ. Christ does not have 2 trees. V21 says "God spared NOT the natural branches". These natural branches represent Israel as a state.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
This "grafting in again" has to do with an individaul basis, not a national basis. Once you grasp this concept, the true Israel of God will be understood. Israel is made up of "Jews and Gentiles", not a genetic seed. Paul uses himself (an individual) as an example of what this "re-grafting in" is all about, by stating in Rom11:1 - "For I ALSO am an Israelite." In other words, God has not cast away repentent Jews. But to say they will be saved separate from the Church is absurd rationale.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
@hannah
And the final nail to the coffin is the fact that biologists and scientists have proven that the Jews in Palestine today do NOT have a genetic linage stemming back to Abraham. The Jews today have lost their pure Jewish blood. They are not really Jews at all, but Khazars, which were a Turkish-like race that came route via the North Caspian Sea! There is a book called "Lost Israelite Identity: The Hebrew Ancestory Of The Celtic Races" by Yair Dividy, and "The Palestine Plot" by B. Jensen.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
lys
Hmm some 1 should had told Hitler this maybe 6 mil ppl would had been spared the horrible death camps, you really are to much now my ppl are not Jews really now. So according to you theres no Jews left in this world so now tell me what ppl will JESUS CHRIST save in Zec 12, and what abt Reve. 7
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.
now tell me who are those 144.000, if not Jews? You are mocking GOD, by saying that HE doesn't know HIS ppl
hannahr77 2 years ago
@hannahr,
I am 1/4th Jew. My mother is 1/2 Jew. The prominent speakers who preach the same things I have shown you (such as Doug Batchelor and Steve Wohlberg) are full blooded Jew. It's what we understand as "Jew" today. But that's okay. But even these men acknowledge that the Jews of today are so thoroughly mixed, that it is impossible to trace them to a direct line to Abraham. Hitler was actually listening to what the Jesuits were telling him to do. Let me explain in the next comment.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
Hitler is inexcusable with what he did. But let's face reality. After 70 A.D., most of the Jews fled north. The nation of Israel was not re-instated until 1948. Between 70 A.D. & 1948 is about 1900 years of inter-marrying. The Jews fled north in 70AD and intermarried with the Caucasian & Turkish traces during this period of 1900 years. Although recognized as "Jew", they were very mixed. This is evidenced by the fact that there are some very Dark Jews, and also some very Blonde ones.
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
(cont.)
The Jesuits were the ones who developed the Illumanati. The Illumaniti came as a result of a Jesuit school that created them. the Illumaniti created the grand "Zionist" conspiracy. It is found in Albert Pike's blue-print for the 3 World Wars to bring about the New World Order. Part of the Zionist Jesuit Illumaniti conspiracy was to create a "psuedo-state" of Israel, which was the whole purpose for World War II. To create a reason to bring the Jews back to Israel. ... (cont.)
Lysimachus78 2 years ago
(cont.)
The whole "Dispensational" platform is the foundation to hold up the Zionist scheme. Why did the Jesuit Illumaniti want WW2? It was a game-plan to have an excuse to bring back so called "Jews" back to Palestine. The Catholic Jesuits hate the Muslims. They are a thorn in their flesh, interrupting their New World Order Plans. But there needs to be an excuse to go to war with Islam, right? How do we do that? Create a Straw-Man-State of Israel to IRRITATE the Muslem World....(cont.)
Lysimachus78 2 years ago