She's a kike, so I support the action of the Israeli police. In fact, it's a double win since Israel lose support because of this. Remember that it was the hebrews who betrayed Germany and made them lose world war one.
@SuperRegisteredUser Nah, you're not a paranoid schizophrenic. Whoever says so is after you... and there are probably da Jooz pulling his strings! Kekeke
you would rather a human is killed for 'safety' measures, and no it does not matter if he is guilty or not, you don't feel safe kill him!...that's exactly what you people are saying!, and I blame you for absorbing that mentality from your parents and your culture, you are raised to believe that life is for your kind and all the others are hazardous and need to be put to sleep. Disgusting and enraging! Remember God sees through your lies and pretension!
to the "Unarmed still means danger": You disgusting specimens of humanity, you selfish bastards!, you all sound the same all obsessed about your safety, why don't you bluntly say what this is itsnt about her being possibly violent!, its about you wanting your security on the account of others, it's about turning the blind eye to injustice as long as you feel safe in your own world!, you are just fearful and hateful and don't want to bother seeing the true world as long as you maintain your own
@SatchmoSings - Yes, the video which took months for the Israelis to release does show the canister barely ricocheting off a barrier, yet it was clear that it was still shot at eye level in the direction of the protesters.
@SatchmoSings - Well, "Gee," why tear-gas the peaceful protesters to begin with? They were protesting an illegal attack in international waters that killed several innocent people. No one but Israel or the US would get away with this. May the propaganda that's fooling the people into supporting this ongoing completely unnecessary terror one day be overcome.
@DrKenHildebrandt Look, you're obviously a doctrinaire leftist with no capacity for reason; you have a believe system and, like a religionist, everything must "fit."
You have no love for decency let alone honesty; you have no moral rectitude except your Leftism which you deem representative of the most moral way of doing things on earth.
I'd pity you and Ms. Henochowicz if you weren't such a danger to myself and any and all decent people everywhere/anywhere.
@SatchmoSings - You must realize you have it all backwards. Take a good look in the mirror while reading what you've written. Surely those who are fighting oppression are the "decent" ones, not those supporting it.
@DrKenHildebrandt only you are not fighting for oppression. You are fighting for your own personal idiologies which i personally believe are more to do with publicity not cause you and other white westerners give a shit about palestinians or the rest of us inferior darkies. if that were the case you people would be making a big fuss in other areas of the world who's ethnic people fair much worse then what goes on in palestine. Where were you people during the rwandan genocide?
@DrKenHildebrandt If I had your channel I would be extremely distressed about what people are saying on it!, it is truly revolting! Strength and prayers for you!
@DrKenHildebrandt That attack was not illegal nor were those killed innocents; the Gaza Flotilla could have just off-loaded its cargo in Israel, had it inspected and then it would have gone to Gaza.
These people were there to challenge Israel's authority and they got what they deserved.
@SatchmoSings Do you have any evidence that their aim was violent? Other than your own knee-jerk presuppositions? How do you think they were going to "challenge Israel's authority?" By chanting and waving signs? Ooooh, scary, all those signs and chanting, I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight!
@yerk3 Of course their aim was violent; as I said, they could have just off-loaded their goods in Israel for inspection and then they would have made their way to Gaza; running a blockade is an act of war and Israel responded by giving them the act of war that they wanted.
@SatchmoSings Again, they were peaceful protesters. If you want to convince me otherwise, tell me where their guns or mortars were. What were their weapons? What ammunition were they firing?
@yerk3 There are other posters here who claim that this was not a "peaceful demonstration" but a riot; if you wish to riot, that's violence and you get what you deserve.
I know that as a leftist who is, by definition, intellectually challenged, you cannot accept this idea; according to you your side is incapable of committing any violent acts except after being provoked.
@SatchmoSings Because the "other posters here" are the final authority on this matter, and their uninformed opinions and baseline assumptions are as good as evidence in any court of law, right? Again, there is no evidence that this was a "riot." The Israeli police were not "provoked" in this situation, they were the aggressors.
@yerk3 The other posters here have presented some evidence; you haven't.
You're just some left-wing, knee jerk scum that doesn't have a shred of intellectual honesty; you view your positions as so correct and holy you would gladly do violence to anyone that doesn't agree with you.
So "one of your own" lost an eye in a demonstration and you're now shitting your pants out of cowardice; no respectable person gives a shit about this low-life except people like you.
@SatchmoSings Actually, nobody has presented any evidence that the protesters were violent, only baseless assertions. You really seem to like throwing around baseless accusations, don't you.
@yerk3 As I've already pointed out, you've not presented any evidence about this particular protest, either; you hardly used up your 500 characters in failing to give me something to Google; you're making an argument purely from repetition; you call your enemies wrong without presenting anything; take a hike!
@SatchmoSings The burden of proof lies on whoever makes the positive assertion. You made the positive assertion that the protest was violent. If the protest wasn't violent, it was peaceful. Until you present evidence that the protest was violent, the default position is that the protest was not violent, i.e. peaceful.
@yerk3 Uh, I think you're the one that made the positive assertion that this protest was peaceful so using your own logic, the protest was obviously violent until you prove otherwise.
Additionally the Wikipedia article on the organization that Ms. Henochowicz belonged to (International Solidarity Movement) actually has a long and strong history of being a very violent organization.
@SatchmoSings No, it is you who made the positive assertion that the protest was violent. If the protest was not violent, then it was by default peaceful. Peace is the absence of violence. So you bring any evidence you have that shows that the protesters had weapons, or made any attempt to injure the Israeli soldiers, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
@SatchmoSings You obviously don't have a clue how tear gas works or how it's supposed to be used. Tear gas is supposed to be fired over the heads of the crowd, it is not a projectile weapon that is meant to hit people. Firing it directly at people's faces subverts the purpose of what is supposed to be a non-lethal, non-maiming crowd-control device. In any case, as Dr. Hildebrandt has already stated, it was a peaceful protest, there was no need to fire tear gas in the first place.
@yerk3 Your claims are the classic idiotness of what Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf calls a "Military Fairy;" everytime a government and/or military that you hate doesn't PERFECTLY execute EVERY SINGLE act it undertakes this way leads to the usual carping, complaining and condemning.
If you were leading men in the field with this attitude they'd shoot you in the back and claim you an incident of "friendly fire."
Since 1948 Israel has been dealing with protests & you demand utter perfection; drop dead
@SatchmoSings My statements are based on the facts pertinent to this issue. Your straw man building tactics are getting pathetic. There's a difference between a military "not doing something perfectly" and intentionally attacking a crowd of peaceful protesters. Using the word "carping" to refer to people who bring light to military atrocities that are funded by their tax dollars and are therefore carried out in their names, is beyond puerile.
@SatchmoSings Soldiers who would intentionally murder a comrade in arms and then use fraud to report it have no place in a modern military and should be courtmartialed. A civilized country does not "deal with protests" by shooting at them. This is something that autocratic regimes do, regimes who deserve, and hopefully receive, none of our money or support.
@yerk3 An officer or NCO that would jeopardize the lives of men for the purpose of something totally extraneous, let alone "politically correct" is a lot more common than you obviously believe; that's another symptom of your "military fairiness;" you think that in the crucible of war all must come to a dead stop to mete out your particular brand of justice; that's one helluva sick joke.
For example, there's a reason why known Communists were sent to fight Japan in Burma & kept away from Europe
@SatchmoSings Whose lives are being jeopardized here? Reporting and properly dealing with misconduct is even more important in wartime, when all decisions mean the difference between life and death. It is the opposite of "extraneous," it is a person's duty as a member of the human race. One cannot passively allow evil to be perpetrated in one's own name. Inaction in such situations is the same as actively participating in the abuse.
@yerk3 Dealing with the conduct of the My Lai massacre was pretty obvious yet US soldiers machine-gunned guards and other personnel at Dachau and also looked the other way when the inmates wreaked their revenge; there was no formal justice in this matter.
Still, that you demand order and perfection in the maelstrom of war and warfare is still something I claim to be the hallmark of The Military Fairy.
@SatchmoSings Basic order is actually more important in warfare than anyone else. Soldiers are supposed to be trained to control themselves in combat situations, this is very important. Otherwise, we may as well just throw out the whole Geneva convention.
@SatchmoSings No, I am simply saying that the men and women who are tasked with protecting democracy, who are given power over life and death, and who, being paid by the government, represent every person in their country and every country that supports them, follow the most basic laws of military conduct. If they are incapable of doing so, they have no business holding a gun. Of course this won't prevent you from straw-manning my argument six ways from Sunday.
@yerk3 In spite of all the evidence, in spite of even films like "Saving Private Ryan" you still INSIST upon PERFCTION in the maelstrom of a battlefield
You have the nerve to claim that my contradicting you is a "straw man" despite the fact that any combat veteran would also tell you the same thing. Obviously you know no combat veterans nor are interested in ever knowing any; all you want to know from is other military fairies such as yourself and I'm sure you lecture others about "diversity."
@SatchmoSings Once again, you have not presented anything resembling "evidence." And now you're citing Hollywood films? That's the best you can come up with? A fucking movie? Once again, nobody here is saying anything about "perfection," I'm talking about following the basic rules of the fucking Geneva convention. This is not a hard distinction to make. You're really going at that straw-man.
@SatchmoSings You have not yet brought forth any evidence to "contradict" me. All you seem to be able to do is refer to other unfounded assertions made by fellow loons below the fold, refer to Hollywood movies, accuse me of ridiculous positions I have never espoused, and launch volleys of useless, empty insults that do nothing but make you look like an angry, petulant child.
@yerk3 Look, genius, try READING "The Red Badge Of Courage" to see what it means to be in the maelstrom of battle where it isn't all neat and cut 'n' dried where everyone at all times follows "the rules" to "the letter;" check that out along with reading about the way Union POWs were kept at Andersonville.
Your position this way is insane and you try to wriggle out of it by claiming that there should be such order on the battlefield.
@SatchmoSings And now your ultimate can't-fail silver bullet piece of evidence is: a novel. You really have nothing to support your romanticized notions of "the maelstrom of war" but novels and Hollywood movies. As I have stated before, the battlefield is the LAST place to take a cavalier approach to the rules. In situations where mistakes mean the difference between life and death, rules which have been shown to prevent needless death are more important than anywhere else in the world.
@yerk3 01] Yes, you've stated it all before, and being someone with no genuine ideas to present as refutation, your idea of counter-argument is to keep repeating the same thing over-and-over until someone like me gets tired of this and just walks away from you; then you can loudly and proudly declare how you "won" the argument.
This, of course, is the tactic of a child in a temper tantrum.
@SatchmoSings The Israeli military is one of the best trained in the world. They have advanced tactics and military protocols drilled into their heads until it's almost instinct. They fight crazed terrorists and guerillas in conditions that you can't imagine for a living, and they don't fuck up. Anyone who would soil their britches and go all Apocalypse Now over a bunch of unarmed protesters does not belong in their midst.
@yerk3 02] "As I have stated before" (like HOW many times!? [snicker]) the battle field is the LAST place to take a cavalier approach to the RULES [emphasis added].
You're still an idiot for demanding perfection on the battlefield. You're so dopey with this; you obviously don't even know that during WWII 20% of all casualties on all sides occurred when the respective militaries involved attacked their OWN troops.
@SatchmoSings Once again, point to one place, one example, one sentence from any of my posts, where I said ANYTHING about "perfection" on the battlefield. Do you know why they have rules on the battlefield? It's to prevent needless death. It's the thing that separates a soldier from a thug. Soldiers are TRAINED to follow basic protocol and deal with stressful situations. Since the totality of your knowledge of war comes from movies and novels, you wouldn't know this of course.
@yerk3 It's amazing how you still cling to the idea of "law and order" on a battlefield; you're still demanding that people, no matter how well trained they are, react with utter perfection of judgement while they're both trying to defeat an enemy and also to save their own ass.
We have all sorts of laws and procedures and training that regulate motor traffic, air traffic and sea traffic; I would like to see you insist that the ship collisions should NEVER happen!
@SatchmoSings Why do you keep putting quotations around phrases that appear nowhere in any of my posts? You're a one trick pony: you straw man my position, then when I dispel the straw man and clarify what I actually said, you plug your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes and go "la la la la la I can't hear you!" Why do you always have to twist what I've said to somehow make it look like I think soldiers should act like it's a Regency era masked ball, in stead of what I actually said?
@yerk3 Look, you're a fake, phony and a fraud; you cannot answer anything I said.
Life is short yet I'm sure you've regularly wasted your time with a lot of nonsense; how come you're not perfect this way in dealing with your own mortality?
You're a fake, phony and fraud and all you have are double-standards; enjoy them!
@SatchmoSings You're saying the mirror opposite of the truth. it's like you're from Bizarro World. How am I a fake? I have answered everything you've said, you've just ignored it. What "double standards" do I have? Do you even know what these words mean? I doubt you do, your accusations are nonsensical.
@yerk3 02. Look, moron, I've already told you that with "rules on the battlefield to prevent needless death that separates a soldier from a thug," fully TWENTY PERCENT OF ALL CASUALTIES IN WORLD WAR TWO WERE THE RESULT OF SOLDIERS SHOOTING AT THEIR OWN MEN; this does NOT come from war movies and novels; this is a hard statistic that you willfully ignore.
So you come back and tell me how well-trained everyone is!
@SatchmoSings Rattling off irrelevant statistics will not change what happened here. This was not a heated battle, this was a crowd of unarmed protesters. In all of your excusing and romanticizing, you're actually insulting the soldiers themselves. They're fucking Israeli soldiers! They're trained to face gnarlier shit than you can imagine, there's no way someone who spends the rest of their time fighting crazed terrorists is going to lose their shit because of some civilians with signs.
@SatchmoSings Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Once again, this is the Israeli fucking military, the best trained in the world. They fight crazed terrorists who are more than willing to die just to take as many Israelis down with them as possible. A crowd of unarmed protesters should pose no conceivable threat to them. What grievous damage is a teenager with a cardboard sign going to inflict on a well trained, well armed Israeli human weapon?
Your whole argument consists of, "You refute what I say, I just come back and keep repeating it until you're sick-and-tired of me and go away so I can declare 'I won!'"
Yes, you demand absolute perfection from all people all of the time; I insist that that is not possible and you keep insisting that it is; you're really that sick.
Oh well, as Michael Savage says, "[Left-wingedness] is a mental disorder."
@SatchmoSings No, I refute what You say, you keep repeating it, I refute it again, you repeat it again. To date, you have not refuted a single thing that I have said, you have only come back with the same zombie of an argument, like you plain forgot what I said the first time. Again, I do not "demand absolute perfection" from anyone. Again, there is a difference between the basic rules of combat and "absolute perfection." Your argument hinges on ignoring this distinction.
@yerk3 I've refuted what you've said AD NAUSEUM and you just keep repeating it; your arguments are just so dumb!
IDF soldiers HAVE FIRED ON EACH OTHER and cause FRIENDLY FIRE DEATHS. [As an aside, I'm sure you drool over this.]
You keep demanding PERFECTION from the IDF; this is so retarded it defies description; I would like you to show me how perfectly you live your own friggin' LIFE!
@SatchmoSings Actually, no, you haven't refuted anything. All you've done is repeatedly mischaracterize my argument. You're the one who keeps repeating arguments which have long ago been destroyed. Friendly fire deaths in different battles in a different time have nothing to do with this. Once again, these were UNARMED PROTESTERS. What part of "UNARMED PROTESTERS" is failing to penetrate your failed attempt at a consciousness? This is not the heat of battle, these are unarmed civilians.
@SatchmoSings For what must be the dozenth time, no, I do not demand "perfection" from the IDF. Again, I. Do. Not. Demand. Perfection. From. A. N. Y. O. N. E. Can you get that through your thick head? Can you comprehend that? I do not demand perfection. Read it again, shit stain. Let it sink in. You'll probably ignore it of course and repeat your mantra. Here it is again: I DO NOT DEMAND "PERFECTION" FROM A N Y O N E.
@SatchmoSings Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall. A thick, retarded wall. I can no longer imagine you without drool and dried food all over your shirt. I'm pretty sure you literally have shit for brains. Like if a doctor took an X-ray of your skull, he would find that your cranium is somehow linked to your colon, and is filled with feces. How many times a day do you soil yourself?
@SatchmoSings You continue to repeatedly and intentionally mischaracterize my argument, no matter how many times it has been clarified. I don't think you actually read my posts, you just repeat your first, flawed statement, thinking that the repetition will keep logic at bay. You can't even correctly parrot a discredited right-wing talking head, and your paraphrase somehow makes it sound even more retarded.
@SatchmoSings Even unarmed, an Israeli soldier is deadly. Do you know what Krav Maga is? It's one of the most efficient, deadliest martial arts in the world. It is scary-fast because it cuts out all of the Kai and posturing of other martial arts, it works from any stance, one man can disarm and incapacitate 12 attackers in a matter of seconds, and it is taught to every member of the Israeli military in basic training. So again, what threat do some civilians with signs pose?
@yerk3 Yeah, so every IDF member is an expert in "Krav Maga;" you have no idea how stupid this sounds.
YOu keep thinking that repetition keeps logic at bay; you want perfection, 100% of the time; as a typical leftist you believe that men can be peferctly made over into a machine that always turns out that perfect widget.
@SatchmoSings I knew it. I knew you would resume the "you want perfection" mantra. No matter how many times I clarified my position, you cling to your initial straw man, like a fucking pitbull. What is your favorite dip for lead paint chips?
@yerk3 Your position is not clarified; another idiotic mantra of yours is that, by definition, unarmed protestors cannot be violent and that's utterly ridiculous.
@SatchmoSings If my position is not clarified to you, it is because you are too dense to see it. It could be as clear as diamonds and you would not see through it, because the murkiness is in your brain.
@yerk3 Yes, your position is that since the IDF is most well-trained military organization known to man, it cannot commit any error; therefore Ms. Henochowicz lost her eye because of a deliberate action on the part of the IDF and/or the riot police.
I maintain that your demand for utter perfection, on any level, despite all training and practice is an utter impossiblity and that you're an utterly brain-dead, left-wing skunk for maintaining this position; it has absolutely no precedent.
@SatchmoSings No, what I'm saying is that since the Israeli military is the best trained in the world, they shouldn't be expected to make such fundamental screwups. You seem to not see any distinction between holding soldiers to some minimal standard, and "expecting perfection." To you, soldiers cannot be criticized, they should be allowed to do anything they feel like, butcher civilians, frag their commanding officers, because expecting anything else would be "expecting perfection."
@yerk3 As a doctrinaire leftist, is is obvious that you consider YOURSELF to be above criticism.
The Red Army gang-raping 2-3 million German girls and women as they moved towards Berlin in WWII is not the same as Emily Henochowicz losing an eye; that you insist that it is shows reams about you and not the soldier involved.
If a West Bank Settler had lost an eye this way, you'd be sniggering over it for the rest of your very miserable life.
@SatchmoSings Will you give it a rest with the "doctrinaire leftist" bullshit? You obviously don't know what a "doctrinaire leftist even is, you're regurgitating a meaningless catchphrase that you no doubt gleaned from some Fox News personality.
@SatchmoSings How does that even have anything to do with what we were talking about. Incompetence is incompetence. Your argument consists solely of creating a straw man of your convoluted notion of a "doctrinaire leftist," then re-creating that straw man indefinitely, no matter how many times I made my point clear, you continued to misconstrue it in the same ridiculous way. This infantile cartoon image you keep painting of me comes from a sick mind.
@SatchmoSings Actually the accepted number was closer to 50,000. And considering that you had 3 million men in the Soviet army, all of whom had family members murdered by the nazis, the Soviets being the biggest forgotten victims of the 2nd world war, the maintaining of discipline would be nearly impossible so that numbers not that bad in the schme of things.
@yerk3 02. Being the doctrinaire Leftist that you are, you are now denying what you even said in the first place; you do this so you can deny what it is that you've brought forth that I've refuted.
Indeed, you do this because as a Leftist, it is impossible for you to have any intellectual honesty; if you did have intellectual honesty you wouldn't have this insane left-wing beliefs.
@SatchmoSings How am I a "doctrinaire leftist" for not wanting my tax dollars to support atrocities against civilians? The only one who lacks intellectual honesty is you. Your entire position is based on name calling and the repetition of buzzwords.
@yerk3 I have to endlessly repeat myself because after your arguments are roundly refuted, you come back insisting how correct they are anyway, all the while while not refuting anything I've said; you just restate your initial position that was utterly wrong in the first place.
@SatchmoSings The only reason you endlessly repeat yourself is because you don't have any new ideas and can't tell when your arguments have been refuted. You bring up the same points again and again, and I keep refuting them, only for you to resurrect them, as if you completely forgot the first time I annihilated them. You think that by repeating something, you can make it come true.
@yerk3 If you don't want your tax dollars going to Israel, that's fine but you give yourself away when you claim that Israel [routinely] commits atrocities against civilians.
If you really do feel this way, then tell the world to stop sending money to Hamas.
@SatchmoSings Okay, where did I say Israel "routinely" commits atrocities against civilians? Are you hallucinating right now? Are you seeing things in my posts that I did not type? Are my posts telling you to kill transients? What else are you seeing in my posts that I didn't write?
@SatchmoSings I see that you've responded to yet another post without reading one word of it. This is weak. You aren't getting anywhere, since you don't actually read what I write. Instead, you refer to this image you seem to have formed of a "doctrinaire liberal," a term that has even been abandoned by the right in favor of more simplistic bullshit because the Tea Party don't cotton much to them big words.
@SatchmoSings So you've excavated this bit of antique bullshit from the pages of William F. Buckley or some other relic from the right's brief flirtation with pseudo-intellectualism. Not only are you the most obnoxious kind of fool, the kind who considers himself exceptionally clever, but you're decades behind in your own game.
@yerk3 Grant, in addition to being a bona-fide human being is also considered, in history, to be one of the ten best generals of all time;he's actually considered superior to Lee.
@SatchmoSings Nobody is talking about anyone's personal ideal of justice, what we're talking about is real abuse. Killing and brutalizing civilians, breaking the rules of the Geneva convention, serious shit. The theater of war is actually one of the most important places to be sure not to turn into a monster.
@SatchmoSings "How people react to war" is not an excuse in this case. These were unarmed protesters. If these soldiers couldn't keep their cool when facing off against a bunch of unarmed civilians, then the Israeli military is in worse shape than it would outwardly appear. This is supposed to be one of the best trained armies in the world, not a bunch of basket cases that lose their shit when unarmed civilians use say mean things.
@SatchmoSings Also, great way to demonstrate what a miserable crust of a human being you are by openly reveling in the deaths of peaceful protesters. Do you get off on that shit? Does government murder get you hard? I guess everyone gets their kicks differently, some people choke themselves, some are into whips and ball gags, others are into bestiality, and I guess some, like yourself, need to think about state-sanctioned brutality in order to come.
@SatchmoSings Actually, the protesters were peaceful. You still haven't provided any evidence that they were violent. I do not support Hamas, but your effort in creating a straw-man shows initiative.
@yerk3 Look, Mr. Functional Illiterate; learn how to use a computer's "search" function and then search on the remarks made by @raisedinthecity , you piece of shit.
Someone answers your points and instead of refuting them, you just make the same argument all over again. This way, people get sick-and-tired of you and don't want to bother with you anymore; at this point you can then proclaim how you "won" the argument!
@SatchmoSings Nobody answered my points, and so there was nothing to refute. If you want to answer them yourself, I will refute whatever falsehoods you can throw my way. Though you're wasting a lot of character space with all of the childish abuse, and it only makes you look like a red-faced sputtering moron.
@yerk3 I told you the "how" of how to look for the remarks of @raisedinthecity; you're obviously not interested in honest discussion OTHERWISE YOU'D HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT HE HAD TO SAY!
Additionally you can read the Wikipedia article called "nternational Solidarity Movement" which Emily Henochowicz belonged to; the article presents them as precisely what I thought they were; a bunch of violent, passive-aggressive creeps, JUST LIKE YOU!!!
@SatchmoSings So your main evidence is a baseless assertion made by another troll. What another troll here has to say is irrelevant to this conversation. Quoting Wikipedia is the same as pointing to your comrade-in-trolling several pages down.
@yerk3 I found the article on the International Solidarity Movement to be quite thorough and fair; you can even read the discussion pages on Wikipedia as to how the article came to be written.
I would think that if you had a shred of intellectual honesty (which, of course, you do NOT) you would have been PROUD of what ISM has "accomplished" rather than whining about it; you should be extolling what they've done and you should also PROUDLY tell me what a great article about this is on Wikpedia.
@SatchmoSings So you read an article. Good for you. Maybe you could explain what, specifically, in the article proves that the protesters were indeed violent and a threat to the Israeli soldiers? Or is this just more non-sequitur bullshit you've scraped off the floor of the internet and thrown my way in lieu of an argument? Evidence. Not references to unfounded assertions made by another poster, not vague references to an irrelevant article, but evidence. Bring it or GTFO.
Yes I agree it's terrible that a Young Woman (or anyone) should suffer & be disfigured for Life just for acting with her Conscience. I can't say i am surprised though, if you look at my Finkelstein 'US Support' Video there are (daunting) links where IDF Snipers have even killed 1-2-8 Year old Kids deliberately (some with 2 hits as trained by Marine sniper School). On the flotilla they kicked a New York Born Turk Furkan Dogan to bits on the deck, Then shot him 4 times in the face at 2 feet.
@wind4watts Yeah. Hitler also acted from conscience and he wound up taking poison, having his butler shoot him in the head and then having his body doused with gasoline. and burned.
I will bet her attorney wet his pants when he saw the the CCTV footage proving that the tear gas canister ricocheted off the wall first before hitting her in the eye. Gee, I guess that means it was an accident and she was not targeted. So much for her being some kind of self hating Jew Palestinian heroine. Maybe her rich left wing doctor dad will will be forced to pay for her medical treatment after all. Israel is guilty until proven innocent and then they are still guilty. You fraud!!!
@raisedinthecity - ".... other footage shows me directly getting hit and a Ha’aretz reporter who claims I was targeted. I can’t watch either video.... But I wonder what they claim I was lying about. Was I lying about spending a week in the hospital, barely able to move, my jaw wired shut, an indented fracture in my skull, not a word of apology from Israel, coming to terms with the compressed visual world I would now view through for the rest of my life?" - Emily Henochowicz, from her blog
@DrKenHildebrandt You were putting yourself forward as someone who was attacked by the Israeli's before that was proven. You have allowed yourself to become a tool of those have nothing but contempt for you and your people. You are the worst kind of anti-Semite -- the Jewish one. You expect Israel to apologize for your own stupidity??? You put yourself right in the middle of the most dangerous place on earth and blame others for your fate. The CCTV video is clear. You are a fraud.
@DrKenHildebrandt What "other" footage is she talking about? As for the lie, both you and Emily claim she was targeted and the video proves it was an accident. By the way, weren't the protesters throwing rocks? I guess they were just throwing them up in the air and not aiming at the Israeli soldiers. Yea, right!
@raisedinthecity - I don't know what other footage, though it looked to me like this ricocheted off some kind of street barrier, but it was still shot in her direction. Shooting a tear gas canister in someone's general direction for protesting seems outrageous to me as someone who spent years trying to fix people, not harm them. Some kids were throwing stones, but they had nothing to do with Emily, and how often do you hear of kids hurting anyone with those stones?
If the israelis would not occupy illegaly the Palestinian Terrirtories nobody had to demonstrate or throw stones. The ISF does neither have the legitimacy to be in on Palestinian Land nor to shoot or attack demonastrating people.
I really never heard an zionist commenting on the Middle East issue without insulting the Palestinian or the peace activists. This behaviour is so typical of you zionists, because you are running out of factual and reasonable arguments!
If the israelis would not occupy illegaly the Palestinian Terrirtories nobody had to demonstrate or throw stones. The ISF does neither have the legitimacy to be in on Palestinian Land nor to shoot or attack demonastrating people.
I really never heard an zionist commenting on the Middle East issue without insulting the Palestinian or the peace activists. This behaviour is so typical of you zionists, because you are running out of factual and reasonable arguments!
@raisedinthecity I went to this CCTV video proof and I did not see a canister bouncing off and hitting her but I did not see anyone hit her in the eye at point blank range.
No one can say for sure but those involved and it's up to speculation. But for Israel's sake, I hope the soldier did not intentionally take her eye out because it would suck if we had to add another crime to Israel's very long and unfortunate list.
I will bet that Emily's attorney wet his pants when he saw the the CCTV footage proving that the tear gas canister ricocheted off the wall first before hitting her in the eye. Gee, I guess that means it was an accident and she was not targeted. So much for her being some kind of self hating Jew Palestinian heroine. Maybe her rich left wing doctor dad will will be forced to pay for her medical treatment after all. You and her are a fraud.
@Soaproot - Glad to see we're making progress. Please watch the video - In the First Hour of the Obama Presidency with Noam Chomsky, posted on this channel. "Elementary truths" are still easily buried, as Noam has pointed out. The entire world has agreed upon the general parameters of a peaceful settlement. Reasonable people want peace when possible, but a disproportionate minority are putting expansion over security, so, as you stated, people, especially innocent children, lose on both 'sides.'
She confesses in the interview that she had participated in the riots and abetted in the threat to the life of police and soldiers.
If someone take a gun and aim at an american police officer, he will be lucky, if not will be dead. Typically, the road of a radicals fighters against the Israeli democracy is the road of provocations and lies. This girl took advantage of, but it had not received clarification“how to lie”. Sad.:( She is only young and silly girl.:(
wath this: watch?v=EF5k3NiGwpo - length between 2:30 - 2:50 listen and look at the facial expressions. "Trash from the ground".
If the "peaceful demonstrators" did not provoke the soldiers throwing stones, concrete trash, and sometimes cocktails Molotov, then no one would have fired tear gas. Israel is the only country in the Middle East, where there is real democracy, where there are real elections, where not break up peaceful demonstrations. Truth
@Soaproot - No one was throwing Molotov cocktails at this demonstration. Kids, clearly separate from the group Emily was with, were throwing stones.
You can't be serious about her facial expressions I hope. Take a look at her facial expressions in her song about missing Palestine, and listen to her words.
they didn't shoot her in the eye intentionally. she's a stupid girl demonstrating in a warzone. she accepted the risk the moment she stepped into the fire. what a stupid girl
@brabon1 This woman has more courage in that one eye then you have in your entire body. Think about it, she was willing to travel halfway across the world to protest something that she's against and you're sitting at home complaining about some visa. She's a real woman with guts; you're just some internet tough guy.
@brabon1 The difference is you've been there to embrace the occupation, not to protest it. You don't go there to do anything constructive - she did. And I don't hate Jews, though I'm not liking you very much.
@Fighting31406 After WWII, 15.5 million Germans were kicked out of many European nations; Poland kicked out the most Germans; over eight million; the Czechs, 2.5 million.
@SatchmoSings You must realize that in supporting collective punishment, you make yourself no better than those you profess to hate. You don't erase barbarism with more barbarism. It doesn't work that way.
@yerk3 So, indiscriminately firing 6000 rockets into Israel somehow doesn't count as "collective punishment."
War is the ultimate form of collective punishment.
When the British were in the process of bombing Germany they didn't look out the window first and ask the bombs not to fall on those who were not really Nazi supporters.
"Collective Punishment" indeed! Simply another inane whiney-phrase used by left-wing military fairies.
@SatchmoSings Non sequitur. The people at this protest were not firing rockets or any other projectile. What some unrelated party did at some other time is irrelevant. Your attempt to justify collective punishment by citing what you believe to be collective punishement by an unrelated party who had nothing to do with these protesters is a tautology. If one is justified, then the other is also justified, and likewise if one is evil, then the other is also evil. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Dr... u can see how the indoctrinated people here like capeside and gladio4ever comments here are so amazing. Emily loss her one eye... These guys and the likes lost their eyes years ago blinded by probably years of systematically hate brainwashing. Their morality and humanity have lost or have no value. No evidence will make them realize...
@xanithkl - You're probably right in many instances, yet as Emily sang in a song she recently released on youtube under thirstypixels, she once didn't see, so we have to try. If we don't try, then they just get what the propagandists send out to them. We have to counter the propaganda.
@xanithkl i love it! you have no real response to any of what i've said, so all you can do is piss out stupid slogans and call me "blind". I see right through your bullshit. I also see right through this "Doctor's" bullshit. making a youtube video dressed like he's in a fucking lecture, sitting in front of a case of books, and barely able to keep up with me (a 21 year old in his first yr of college) in a simple debate on the subject..... get a life Doc!
"You don't shoot somebody in the eye not on purpose." Yes you do, idiot. Especially with a teargas canister. You shoot those up in the air and they land somewhat randomly. They're impossible to aim directly. Know what you're talking about before you ejaculate it all over youtube.
Maybe this will teach this silly girl and others not to throw rocks at men with guns. She's lucky that she didnt get hit with a rubber bullet.
@capeside - Wrong, wrong and wrong. They weren't lobbing them up in the air when this hit her.
She wasn't throwing rocks, and she wasn't lucky to not be hit with a rubber bullet, but rather she was unlucky enough to be in the line of fire of someone who toyed with her life for nothing.
@DrKenHildebrandt listen my man, i've shot a teargas canister. they arent direct fire weapons. theyre terribly inaccurate. you shoot them at a crowd, not a person. all im saying is that this soldier did not take aim at her face.
and if she wansnt throwing rocks, one of her buddies was.
@capeside - How do you know where he was aiming? These weapons have longer barrels than a pistol, so how could they be so "terribly inaccurate?" It was also reported that shots landed on both sides of her before one struck her in the face.
Some kids were throwing rocks, not her buddies, yet either way, rocks thrown by kids are no match for tear gas canisters shot with firearms.
@DrKenHildebrandt i guess that you don't know too much about weapons (which is a good thing). a teargas canister doesn't take the path of a bullet. you fire it into the air.... not in a straight line. therefor, you dont aim at a person because you can't. you are aiming into a large area. look it up.
also, i was in the idf and was one of my friends break his leg with a rock from a sling. another got hit in the face and almost died. i would rather be teargassed than get hit with one of those rock
@capeside - Though these weapons are designed to be fired at a great distance, in this case they were fired at close range, with eyewitnesses claiming shots landed on both sides of Emily before one struck her in the face.
If the canisters were fired up "into the air" at close range, then they would've soured far over the protesters' heads.
"The greatest weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." - Steve Biko, murdered in custody by the Apartheid regime
@Fighting31406 yea, you wish. is that all you can say to me? you think you're going to win any arguments that way? not used to jews fighting back and speaking our minds? Israel, the jewish people, and i are here to stay, and here to defend ourselves. we're never going to shut up, bitch
@capeside I have this tendency to react to stupid comments with stupid comments. "I rather get tear gassed" How about "I'd rather exercise my freedom of speech without worrying about getting violently attacked.
@Fighting31406 throwing rocks isnt the same as execising your freedom of speech. if there were rocks being thrown in any protest, anywhere in the world, there would be teargas shot. dont give israel a double standard.
@capeside I will give Israel the double standard; they have no business being there to being with. It's not a legitimate state. Their occupation is illegal under international law; everyone knows this. So they have no right to tear gas anyone.
@Fighting31406 it's a completely legitimate state according to the un and the rest of the free world. as for no business being there, i believe that the jews, being the most oppressed people throughout history, have the right to their own state. are you saying that all white people should go back to europe? is america legitimate? canada? south africa?
as for international law, ask the palestinian terror groups how their battle plan confines to international law.
@capeside So ultimately, you're saying that all oppressed groups have the right to have their own state; So Africans, Native Americans, Aborigine, etc. would have every right to occupy countries illegally and call it their own because of their history of being oppressed?
As for the Palestinians, well, ultimately they're just fighting terror with terror. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who are fighting for their human rights.
@Fighting31406 well, i'm saying that they deserve a state..... but saying they have the "right" is a little strong i guess. anyway, israel is not occupying a country. they are occupying a territory that was won fairly in a defensive war against jordan.
have you ever heard of the winner of a war giving back territory to the folks that attacked them?
also, i wanted to say thank you because most political arguments i get in on youtube are hate-filled rants. so im proud that we can be civilized!
You Zionazi Israelis fire these deliberately at people don't lie! Why are you using tear gas at all? It is only the darkest of regimes that use tear gas like totalitarian or racist states. You Zionazis are so brainwashed you cannot tell right from wrong even a peaceful ship of humanitarian workers are "terrorists". All Zionazis like yourself should be forced to undergo a Zionazi re-education program like Germans were forced to after the war.
If you have shot tear gas cannisters at people how many have you killed or seriously injured? Please give details and your name rank and number and I will forward it to the International Criminal Court in the Hague.
She's a kike, so I support the action of the Israeli police. In fact, it's a double win since Israel lose support because of this. Remember that it was the hebrews who betrayed Germany and made them lose world war one.
SuperRegisteredUser 2 months ago
@SuperRegisteredUser Nah, you're not a paranoid schizophrenic. Whoever says so is after you... and there are probably da Jooz pulling his strings! Kekeke
ex0pos 1 month ago
@ex0pos Nah, you're not on your knees sucking hebrew cock. Whoever says so is an islamic extremist.
SuperRegisteredUser 1 month ago
yes, also jews are victims of zionist aggression.
zobielamouche1 4 months ago
@zobielamouche1
At least she didn't try to stop a bulldozer with HER FACE!!!!
rachelgolem 4 months ago
you would rather a human is killed for 'safety' measures, and no it does not matter if he is guilty or not, you don't feel safe kill him!...that's exactly what you people are saying!, and I blame you for absorbing that mentality from your parents and your culture, you are raised to believe that life is for your kind and all the others are hazardous and need to be put to sleep. Disgusting and enraging! Remember God sees through your lies and pretension!
nevashiva 6 months ago
to the "Unarmed still means danger": You disgusting specimens of humanity, you selfish bastards!, you all sound the same all obsessed about your safety, why don't you bluntly say what this is itsnt about her being possibly violent!, its about you wanting your security on the account of others, it's about turning the blind eye to injustice as long as you feel safe in your own world!, you are just fearful and hateful and don't want to bother seeing the true world as long as you maintain your own
nevashiva 6 months ago
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Why does Israel act like Nazi Germany?
LeseMajeste 9 months ago
At least she didn't try to stop a bulldozer with her face!!!!!
rachelgolem 9 months ago
A witness to this event saw the accused aim and directly at her, then shoot.
johnmoreland 11 months ago
For those supporting the view that this act of terrorism was an accident, I'm sure you wouldn't say the same had this happened to you. Thanks---
Hamadm6311611 1 year ago
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SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt video clearly shows this to be an accident; go fuck yourself you left-wing shitfuck.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@SatchmoSings - Yes, the video which took months for the Israelis to release does show the canister barely ricocheting off a barrier, yet it was clear that it was still shot at eye level in the direction of the protesters.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt Gee, so if you want to tear-gas protesters, I guess it would have been more proper to shoot it NOT at the protesters. D-uh!
Maybe next time this young miss can go under a bulldozer and her name will be immortalized as something to call a "speed bump" in Israel.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@SatchmoSings - Well, "Gee," why tear-gas the peaceful protesters to begin with? They were protesting an illegal attack in international waters that killed several innocent people. No one but Israel or the US would get away with this. May the propaganda that's fooling the people into supporting this ongoing completely unnecessary terror one day be overcome.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt Look, you're obviously a doctrinaire leftist with no capacity for reason; you have a believe system and, like a religionist, everything must "fit."
You have no love for decency let alone honesty; you have no moral rectitude except your Leftism which you deem representative of the most moral way of doing things on earth.
I'd pity you and Ms. Henochowicz if you weren't such a danger to myself and any and all decent people everywhere/anywhere.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@SatchmoSings - You must realize you have it all backwards. Take a good look in the mirror while reading what you've written. Surely those who are fighting oppression are the "decent" ones, not those supporting it.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt only you are not fighting for oppression. You are fighting for your own personal idiologies which i personally believe are more to do with publicity not cause you and other white westerners give a shit about palestinians or the rest of us inferior darkies. if that were the case you people would be making a big fuss in other areas of the world who's ethnic people fair much worse then what goes on in palestine. Where were you people during the rwandan genocide?
Ameer18 7 months ago
@DrKenHildebrandt If I had your channel I would be extremely distressed about what people are saying on it!, it is truly revolting! Strength and prayers for you!
nevashiva 6 months ago 2
@SatchmoSings Projection much?
yerk3 8 months ago
@DrKenHildebrandt That attack was not illegal nor were those killed innocents; the Gaza Flotilla could have just off-loaded its cargo in Israel, had it inspected and then it would have gone to Gaza.
These people were there to challenge Israel's authority and they got what they deserved.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@SatchmoSings Do you have any evidence that their aim was violent? Other than your own knee-jerk presuppositions? How do you think they were going to "challenge Israel's authority?" By chanting and waving signs? Ooooh, scary, all those signs and chanting, I don't think I'll be able to sleep tonight!
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Of course their aim was violent; as I said, they could have just off-loaded their goods in Israel for inspection and then they would have made their way to Gaza; running a blockade is an act of war and Israel responded by giving them the act of war that they wanted.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Again, they were peaceful protesters. If you want to convince me otherwise, tell me where their guns or mortars were. What were their weapons? What ammunition were they firing?
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 There are other posters here who claim that this was not a "peaceful demonstration" but a riot; if you wish to riot, that's violence and you get what you deserve.
I know that as a leftist who is, by definition, intellectually challenged, you cannot accept this idea; according to you your side is incapable of committing any violent acts except after being provoked.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Because the "other posters here" are the final authority on this matter, and their uninformed opinions and baseline assumptions are as good as evidence in any court of law, right? Again, there is no evidence that this was a "riot." The Israeli police were not "provoked" in this situation, they were the aggressors.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 The other posters here have presented some evidence; you haven't.
You're just some left-wing, knee jerk scum that doesn't have a shred of intellectual honesty; you view your positions as so correct and holy you would gladly do violence to anyone that doesn't agree with you.
So "one of your own" lost an eye in a demonstration and you're now shitting your pants out of cowardice; no respectable person gives a shit about this low-life except people like you.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Actually, nobody has presented any evidence that the protesters were violent, only baseless assertions. You really seem to like throwing around baseless accusations, don't you.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 As I've already pointed out, you've not presented any evidence about this particular protest, either; you hardly used up your 500 characters in failing to give me something to Google; you're making an argument purely from repetition; you call your enemies wrong without presenting anything; take a hike!
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings The burden of proof lies on whoever makes the positive assertion. You made the positive assertion that the protest was violent. If the protest wasn't violent, it was peaceful. Until you present evidence that the protest was violent, the default position is that the protest was not violent, i.e. peaceful.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Uh, I think you're the one that made the positive assertion that this protest was peaceful so using your own logic, the protest was obviously violent until you prove otherwise.
Additionally the Wikipedia article on the organization that Ms. Henochowicz belonged to (International Solidarity Movement) actually has a long and strong history of being a very violent organization.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings No, it is you who made the positive assertion that the protest was violent. If the protest was not violent, then it was by default peaceful. Peace is the absence of violence. So you bring any evidence you have that shows that the protesters had weapons, or made any attempt to injure the Israeli soldiers, but I wouldn't hold my breath.
yerk3 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings You obviously don't have a clue how tear gas works or how it's supposed to be used. Tear gas is supposed to be fired over the heads of the crowd, it is not a projectile weapon that is meant to hit people. Firing it directly at people's faces subverts the purpose of what is supposed to be a non-lethal, non-maiming crowd-control device. In any case, as Dr. Hildebrandt has already stated, it was a peaceful protest, there was no need to fire tear gas in the first place.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Your claims are the classic idiotness of what Gen. Norman Schwarzkopf calls a "Military Fairy;" everytime a government and/or military that you hate doesn't PERFECTLY execute EVERY SINGLE act it undertakes this way leads to the usual carping, complaining and condemning.
If you were leading men in the field with this attitude they'd shoot you in the back and claim you an incident of "friendly fire."
Since 1948 Israel has been dealing with protests & you demand utter perfection; drop dead
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings My statements are based on the facts pertinent to this issue. Your straw man building tactics are getting pathetic. There's a difference between a military "not doing something perfectly" and intentionally attacking a crowd of peaceful protesters. Using the word "carping" to refer to people who bring light to military atrocities that are funded by their tax dollars and are therefore carried out in their names, is beyond puerile.
yerk3 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Soldiers who would intentionally murder a comrade in arms and then use fraud to report it have no place in a modern military and should be courtmartialed. A civilized country does not "deal with protests" by shooting at them. This is something that autocratic regimes do, regimes who deserve, and hopefully receive, none of our money or support.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 An officer or NCO that would jeopardize the lives of men for the purpose of something totally extraneous, let alone "politically correct" is a lot more common than you obviously believe; that's another symptom of your "military fairiness;" you think that in the crucible of war all must come to a dead stop to mete out your particular brand of justice; that's one helluva sick joke.
For example, there's a reason why known Communists were sent to fight Japan in Burma & kept away from Europe
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Whose lives are being jeopardized here? Reporting and properly dealing with misconduct is even more important in wartime, when all decisions mean the difference between life and death. It is the opposite of "extraneous," it is a person's duty as a member of the human race. One cannot passively allow evil to be perpetrated in one's own name. Inaction in such situations is the same as actively participating in the abuse.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Dealing with the conduct of the My Lai massacre was pretty obvious yet US soldiers machine-gunned guards and other personnel at Dachau and also looked the other way when the inmates wreaked their revenge; there was no formal justice in this matter.
Still, that you demand order and perfection in the maelstrom of war and warfare is still something I claim to be the hallmark of The Military Fairy.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Basic order is actually more important in warfare than anyone else. Soldiers are supposed to be trained to control themselves in combat situations, this is very important. Otherwise, we may as well just throw out the whole Geneva convention.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 So you're still here demanding that there should be ORDER on a battlefield!
The training that soldiers get is to make them more effective fighters, not Military Fairies which is what you're insisting that they be.
I find it odd that you would even have a job.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings No, I am simply saying that the men and women who are tasked with protecting democracy, who are given power over life and death, and who, being paid by the government, represent every person in their country and every country that supports them, follow the most basic laws of military conduct. If they are incapable of doing so, they have no business holding a gun. Of course this won't prevent you from straw-manning my argument six ways from Sunday.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 In spite of all the evidence, in spite of even films like "Saving Private Ryan" you still INSIST upon PERFCTION in the maelstrom of a battlefield
You have the nerve to claim that my contradicting you is a "straw man" despite the fact that any combat veteran would also tell you the same thing. Obviously you know no combat veterans nor are interested in ever knowing any; all you want to know from is other military fairies such as yourself and I'm sure you lecture others about "diversity."
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Once again, you have not presented anything resembling "evidence." And now you're citing Hollywood films? That's the best you can come up with? A fucking movie? Once again, nobody here is saying anything about "perfection," I'm talking about following the basic rules of the fucking Geneva convention. This is not a hard distinction to make. You're really going at that straw-man.
yerk3 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings You have not yet brought forth any evidence to "contradict" me. All you seem to be able to do is refer to other unfounded assertions made by fellow loons below the fold, refer to Hollywood movies, accuse me of ridiculous positions I have never espoused, and launch volleys of useless, empty insults that do nothing but make you look like an angry, petulant child.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 Look, genius, try READING "The Red Badge Of Courage" to see what it means to be in the maelstrom of battle where it isn't all neat and cut 'n' dried where everyone at all times follows "the rules" to "the letter;" check that out along with reading about the way Union POWs were kept at Andersonville.
Your position this way is insane and you try to wriggle out of it by claiming that there should be such order on the battlefield.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings And now your ultimate can't-fail silver bullet piece of evidence is: a novel. You really have nothing to support your romanticized notions of "the maelstrom of war" but novels and Hollywood movies. As I have stated before, the battlefield is the LAST place to take a cavalier approach to the rules. In situations where mistakes mean the difference between life and death, rules which have been shown to prevent needless death are more important than anywhere else in the world.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 01] Yes, you've stated it all before, and being someone with no genuine ideas to present as refutation, your idea of counter-argument is to keep repeating the same thing over-and-over until someone like me gets tired of this and just walks away from you; then you can loudly and proudly declare how you "won" the argument.
This, of course, is the tactic of a child in a temper tantrum.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings The Israeli military is one of the best trained in the world. They have advanced tactics and military protocols drilled into their heads until it's almost instinct. They fight crazed terrorists and guerillas in conditions that you can't imagine for a living, and they don't fuck up. Anyone who would soil their britches and go all Apocalypse Now over a bunch of unarmed protesters does not belong in their midst.
yerk3 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings I wonder what stunning piece of evidence you'll use next? Will you bring up that comprehensive documentary Full Metal Jacket?
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 02] "As I have stated before" (like HOW many times!? [snicker]) the battle field is the LAST place to take a cavalier approach to the RULES [emphasis added].
You're still an idiot for demanding perfection on the battlefield. You're so dopey with this; you obviously don't even know that during WWII 20% of all casualties on all sides occurred when the respective militaries involved attacked their OWN troops.
You really are that much of a "Military Fairy."
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Once again, point to one place, one example, one sentence from any of my posts, where I said ANYTHING about "perfection" on the battlefield. Do you know why they have rules on the battlefield? It's to prevent needless death. It's the thing that separates a soldier from a thug. Soldiers are TRAINED to follow basic protocol and deal with stressful situations. Since the totality of your knowledge of war comes from movies and novels, you wouldn't know this of course.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 It's amazing how you still cling to the idea of "law and order" on a battlefield; you're still demanding that people, no matter how well trained they are, react with utter perfection of judgement while they're both trying to defeat an enemy and also to save their own ass.
We have all sorts of laws and procedures and training that regulate motor traffic, air traffic and sea traffic; I would like to see you insist that the ship collisions should NEVER happen!
What a sick joke!
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Why do you keep putting quotations around phrases that appear nowhere in any of my posts? You're a one trick pony: you straw man my position, then when I dispel the straw man and clarify what I actually said, you plug your fingers in your ears and shut your eyes and go "la la la la la I can't hear you!" Why do you always have to twist what I've said to somehow make it look like I think soldiers should act like it's a Regency era masked ball, in stead of what I actually said?
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 Look, you're a fake, phony and a fraud; you cannot answer anything I said.
Life is short yet I'm sure you've regularly wasted your time with a lot of nonsense; how come you're not perfect this way in dealing with your own mortality?
You're a fake, phony and fraud and all you have are double-standards; enjoy them!
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings You're saying the mirror opposite of the truth. it's like you're from Bizarro World. How am I a fake? I have answered everything you've said, you've just ignored it. What "double standards" do I have? Do you even know what these words mean? I doubt you do, your accusations are nonsensical.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 02. Look, moron, I've already told you that with "rules on the battlefield to prevent needless death that separates a soldier from a thug," fully TWENTY PERCENT OF ALL CASUALTIES IN WORLD WAR TWO WERE THE RESULT OF SOLDIERS SHOOTING AT THEIR OWN MEN; this does NOT come from war movies and novels; this is a hard statistic that you willfully ignore.
So you come back and tell me how well-trained everyone is!
You really are a "Military Fairy."
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Rattling off irrelevant statistics will not change what happened here. This was not a heated battle, this was a crowd of unarmed protesters. In all of your excusing and romanticizing, you're actually insulting the soldiers themselves. They're fucking Israeli soldiers! They're trained to face gnarlier shit than you can imagine, there's no way someone who spends the rest of their time fighting crazed terrorists is going to lose their shit because of some civilians with signs.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 "a crowd of unarmed protesters."
So by calling a crowd "unarmed" you therefore are attempting to show me that they cannot be violent let alone dangerous or even life-threatening.
Go shove it.
You're sick; you're really sick.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Yes, that is exactly what I am saying. Once again, this is the Israeli fucking military, the best trained in the world. They fight crazed terrorists who are more than willing to die just to take as many Israelis down with them as possible. A crowd of unarmed protesters should pose no conceivable threat to them. What grievous damage is a teenager with a cardboard sign going to inflict on a well trained, well armed Israeli human weapon?
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 So now we're back to "square one."
Your whole argument consists of, "You refute what I say, I just come back and keep repeating it until you're sick-and-tired of me and go away so I can declare 'I won!'"
Yes, you demand absolute perfection from all people all of the time; I insist that that is not possible and you keep insisting that it is; you're really that sick.
Oh well, as Michael Savage says, "[Left-wingedness] is a mental disorder."
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings No, I refute what You say, you keep repeating it, I refute it again, you repeat it again. To date, you have not refuted a single thing that I have said, you have only come back with the same zombie of an argument, like you plain forgot what I said the first time. Again, I do not "demand absolute perfection" from anyone. Again, there is a difference between the basic rules of combat and "absolute perfection." Your argument hinges on ignoring this distinction.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 I've refuted what you've said AD NAUSEUM and you just keep repeating it; your arguments are just so dumb!
IDF soldiers HAVE FIRED ON EACH OTHER and cause FRIENDLY FIRE DEATHS. [As an aside, I'm sure you drool over this.]
You keep demanding PERFECTION from the IDF; this is so retarded it defies description; I would like you to show me how perfectly you live your own friggin' LIFE!
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Actually, no, you haven't refuted anything. All you've done is repeatedly mischaracterize my argument. You're the one who keeps repeating arguments which have long ago been destroyed. Friendly fire deaths in different battles in a different time have nothing to do with this. Once again, these were UNARMED PROTESTERS. What part of "UNARMED PROTESTERS" is failing to penetrate your failed attempt at a consciousness? This is not the heat of battle, these are unarmed civilians.
yerk3 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings For what must be the dozenth time, no, I do not demand "perfection" from the IDF. Again, I. Do. Not. Demand. Perfection. From. A. N. Y. O. N. E. Can you get that through your thick head? Can you comprehend that? I do not demand perfection. Read it again, shit stain. Let it sink in. You'll probably ignore it of course and repeat your mantra. Here it is again: I DO NOT DEMAND "PERFECTION" FROM A N Y O N E.
yerk3 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Arguing with you is like arguing with a wall. A thick, retarded wall. I can no longer imagine you without drool and dried food all over your shirt. I'm pretty sure you literally have shit for brains. Like if a doctor took an X-ray of your skull, he would find that your cranium is somehow linked to your colon, and is filled with feces. How many times a day do you soil yourself?
yerk3 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings You continue to repeatedly and intentionally mischaracterize my argument, no matter how many times it has been clarified. I don't think you actually read my posts, you just repeat your first, flawed statement, thinking that the repetition will keep logic at bay. You can't even correctly parrot a discredited right-wing talking head, and your paraphrase somehow makes it sound even more retarded.
yerk3 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Even unarmed, an Israeli soldier is deadly. Do you know what Krav Maga is? It's one of the most efficient, deadliest martial arts in the world. It is scary-fast because it cuts out all of the Kai and posturing of other martial arts, it works from any stance, one man can disarm and incapacitate 12 attackers in a matter of seconds, and it is taught to every member of the Israeli military in basic training. So again, what threat do some civilians with signs pose?
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 Yeah, so every IDF member is an expert in "Krav Maga;" you have no idea how stupid this sounds.
YOu keep thinking that repetition keeps logic at bay; you want perfection, 100% of the time; as a typical leftist you believe that men can be peferctly made over into a machine that always turns out that perfect widget.
You really are that dumb.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings I knew it. I knew you would resume the "you want perfection" mantra. No matter how many times I clarified my position, you cling to your initial straw man, like a fucking pitbull. What is your favorite dip for lead paint chips?
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 Your position is not clarified; another idiotic mantra of yours is that, by definition, unarmed protestors cannot be violent and that's utterly ridiculous.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings If my position is not clarified to you, it is because you are too dense to see it. It could be as clear as diamonds and you would not see through it, because the murkiness is in your brain.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 Yes, your position is that since the IDF is most well-trained military organization known to man, it cannot commit any error; therefore Ms. Henochowicz lost her eye because of a deliberate action on the part of the IDF and/or the riot police.
I maintain that your demand for utter perfection, on any level, despite all training and practice is an utter impossiblity and that you're an utterly brain-dead, left-wing skunk for maintaining this position; it has absolutely no precedent.
SatchmoSings 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings No, what I'm saying is that since the Israeli military is the best trained in the world, they shouldn't be expected to make such fundamental screwups. You seem to not see any distinction between holding soldiers to some minimal standard, and "expecting perfection." To you, soldiers cannot be criticized, they should be allowed to do anything they feel like, butcher civilians, frag their commanding officers, because expecting anything else would be "expecting perfection."
yerk3 6 months ago
@yerk3 As a doctrinaire leftist, is is obvious that you consider YOURSELF to be above criticism.
The Red Army gang-raping 2-3 million German girls and women as they moved towards Berlin in WWII is not the same as Emily Henochowicz losing an eye; that you insist that it is shows reams about you and not the soldier involved.
If a West Bank Settler had lost an eye this way, you'd be sniggering over it for the rest of your very miserable life.
SatchmoSings 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings Will you give it a rest with the "doctrinaire leftist" bullshit? You obviously don't know what a "doctrinaire leftist even is, you're regurgitating a meaningless catchphrase that you no doubt gleaned from some Fox News personality.
yerk3 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings How does that even have anything to do with what we were talking about. Incompetence is incompetence. Your argument consists solely of creating a straw man of your convoluted notion of a "doctrinaire leftist," then re-creating that straw man indefinitely, no matter how many times I made my point clear, you continued to misconstrue it in the same ridiculous way. This infantile cartoon image you keep painting of me comes from a sick mind.
yerk3 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings Actually the accepted number was closer to 50,000. And considering that you had 3 million men in the Soviet army, all of whom had family members murdered by the nazis, the Soviets being the biggest forgotten victims of the 2nd world war, the maintaining of discipline would be nearly impossible so that numbers not that bad in the schme of things.
grimblebrumble17889 4 months ago
@yerk3 02. Being the doctrinaire Leftist that you are, you are now denying what you even said in the first place; you do this so you can deny what it is that you've brought forth that I've refuted.
Indeed, you do this because as a Leftist, it is impossible for you to have any intellectual honesty; if you did have intellectual honesty you wouldn't have this insane left-wing beliefs.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings How am I a "doctrinaire leftist" for not wanting my tax dollars to support atrocities against civilians? The only one who lacks intellectual honesty is you. Your entire position is based on name calling and the repetition of buzzwords.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 I have to endlessly repeat myself because after your arguments are roundly refuted, you come back insisting how correct they are anyway, all the while while not refuting anything I've said; you just restate your initial position that was utterly wrong in the first place.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings The only reason you endlessly repeat yourself is because you don't have any new ideas and can't tell when your arguments have been refuted. You bring up the same points again and again, and I keep refuting them, only for you to resurrect them, as if you completely forgot the first time I annihilated them. You think that by repeating something, you can make it come true.
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 If you don't want your tax dollars going to Israel, that's fine but you give yourself away when you claim that Israel [routinely] commits atrocities against civilians.
If you really do feel this way, then tell the world to stop sending money to Hamas.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Okay, where did I say Israel "routinely" commits atrocities against civilians? Are you hallucinating right now? Are you seeing things in my posts that I did not type? Are my posts telling you to kill transients? What else are you seeing in my posts that I didn't write?
yerk3 7 months ago
@yerk3 "If men make war in slavish obedience to rules, they will fail." Ulysses S. Grant.
Yeah, you "know better" than Grant; you're utterly odious.
SatchmoSings 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings I see that you've responded to yet another post without reading one word of it. This is weak. You aren't getting anywhere, since you don't actually read what I write. Instead, you refer to this image you seem to have formed of a "doctrinaire liberal," a term that has even been abandoned by the right in favor of more simplistic bullshit because the Tea Party don't cotton much to them big words.
yerk3 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings So you've excavated this bit of antique bullshit from the pages of William F. Buckley or some other relic from the right's brief flirtation with pseudo-intellectualism. Not only are you the most obnoxious kind of fool, the kind who considers himself exceptionally clever, but you're decades behind in your own game.
yerk3 6 months ago
@yerk3 Grant, in addition to being a bona-fide human being is also considered, in history, to be one of the ten best generals of all time;he's actually considered superior to Lee.
And by the way, William Buckley sucked.
SatchmoSings 6 months ago
@SatchmoSings Nobody is talking about anyone's personal ideal of justice, what we're talking about is real abuse. Killing and brutalizing civilians, breaking the rules of the Geneva convention, serious shit. The theater of war is actually one of the most important places to be sure not to turn into a monster.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 How people react to war and warfare has been one of the most examined subjects in the history of humanity.
Maybe, one day, you'll actually look into it.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings "How people react to war" is not an excuse in this case. These were unarmed protesters. If these soldiers couldn't keep their cool when facing off against a bunch of unarmed civilians, then the Israeli military is in worse shape than it would outwardly appear. This is supposed to be one of the best trained armies in the world, not a bunch of basket cases that lose their shit when unarmed civilians use say mean things.
yerk3 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Also, great way to demonstrate what a miserable crust of a human being you are by openly reveling in the deaths of peaceful protesters. Do you get off on that shit? Does government murder get you hard? I guess everyone gets their kicks differently, some people choke themselves, some are into whips and ball gags, others are into bestiality, and I guess some, like yourself, need to think about state-sanctioned brutality in order to come.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Those people weren't peaceful; they were violent; scroll down; another poster, @raisedinthecity, has answered all the points beautifully.
You are obviously into government murder; you support Hamas which has thrown HOW MANY people from rooftops?
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Actually, the protesters were peaceful. You still haven't provided any evidence that they were violent. I do not support Hamas, but your effort in creating a straw-man shows initiative.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 Look, Mr. Functional Illiterate; learn how to use a computer's "search" function and then search on the remarks made by @raisedinthecity , you piece of shit.
Someone answers your points and instead of refuting them, you just make the same argument all over again. This way, people get sick-and-tired of you and don't want to bother with you anymore; at this point you can then proclaim how you "won" the argument!
This is one classic definition of a loser!
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings Nobody answered my points, and so there was nothing to refute. If you want to answer them yourself, I will refute whatever falsehoods you can throw my way. Though you're wasting a lot of character space with all of the childish abuse, and it only makes you look like a red-faced sputtering moron.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 I told you the "how" of how to look for the remarks of @raisedinthecity; you're obviously not interested in honest discussion OTHERWISE YOU'D HAVE LOOKED AT WHAT HE HAD TO SAY!
Additionally you can read the Wikipedia article called "nternational Solidarity Movement" which Emily Henochowicz belonged to; the article presents them as precisely what I thought they were; a bunch of violent, passive-aggressive creeps, JUST LIKE YOU!!!
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings So your main evidence is a baseless assertion made by another troll. What another troll here has to say is irrelevant to this conversation. Quoting Wikipedia is the same as pointing to your comrade-in-trolling several pages down.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 I found the article on the International Solidarity Movement to be quite thorough and fair; you can even read the discussion pages on Wikipedia as to how the article came to be written.
I would think that if you had a shred of intellectual honesty (which, of course, you do NOT) you would have been PROUD of what ISM has "accomplished" rather than whining about it; you should be extolling what they've done and you should also PROUDLY tell me what a great article about this is on Wikpedia.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings So you read an article. Good for you. Maybe you could explain what, specifically, in the article proves that the protesters were indeed violent and a threat to the Israeli soldiers? Or is this just more non-sequitur bullshit you've scraped off the floor of the internet and thrown my way in lieu of an argument? Evidence. Not references to unfounded assertions made by another poster, not vague references to an irrelevant article, but evidence. Bring it or GTFO.
yerk3 8 months ago
Yes I agree it's terrible that a Young Woman (or anyone) should suffer & be disfigured for Life just for acting with her Conscience. I can't say i am surprised though, if you look at my Finkelstein 'US Support' Video there are (daunting) links where IDF Snipers have even killed 1-2-8 Year old Kids deliberately (some with 2 hits as trained by Marine sniper School). On the flotilla they kicked a New York Born Turk Furkan Dogan to bits on the deck, Then shot him 4 times in the face at 2 feet.
wind4watts 1 year ago
@wind4watts Yeah. Hitler also acted from conscience and he wound up taking poison, having his butler shoot him in the head and then having his body doused with gasoline. and burned.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@wind4watts 02. Gee, you're just so cool; maybe you can do an autopsy on every man ever killed in battle.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
I will bet her attorney wet his pants when he saw the the CCTV footage proving that the tear gas canister ricocheted off the wall first before hitting her in the eye. Gee, I guess that means it was an accident and she was not targeted. So much for her being some kind of self hating Jew Palestinian heroine. Maybe her rich left wing doctor dad will will be forced to pay for her medical treatment after all. Israel is guilty until proven innocent and then they are still guilty. You fraud!!!
raisedinthecity 1 year ago 2
@raisedinthecity - ".... other footage shows me directly getting hit and a Ha’aretz reporter who claims I was targeted. I can’t watch either video.... But I wonder what they claim I was lying about. Was I lying about spending a week in the hospital, barely able to move, my jaw wired shut, an indented fracture in my skull, not a word of apology from Israel, coming to terms with the compressed visual world I would now view through for the rest of my life?" - Emily Henochowicz, from her blog
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt You were putting yourself forward as someone who was attacked by the Israeli's before that was proven. You have allowed yourself to become a tool of those have nothing but contempt for you and your people. You are the worst kind of anti-Semite -- the Jewish one. You expect Israel to apologize for your own stupidity??? You put yourself right in the middle of the most dangerous place on earth and blame others for your fate. The CCTV video is clear. You are a fraud.
raisedinthecity 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt What "other" footage is she talking about? As for the lie, both you and Emily claim she was targeted and the video proves it was an accident. By the way, weren't the protesters throwing rocks? I guess they were just throwing them up in the air and not aiming at the Israeli soldiers. Yea, right!
raisedinthecity 1 year ago
@raisedinthecity - I don't know what other footage, though it looked to me like this ricocheted off some kind of street barrier, but it was still shot in her direction. Shooting a tear gas canister in someone's general direction for protesting seems outrageous to me as someone who spent years trying to fix people, not harm them. Some kids were throwing stones, but they had nothing to do with Emily, and how often do you hear of kids hurting anyone with those stones?
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
raisedinthecity sounds very much like an astroturfer.
blaach 1 year ago
@raisedinthecity
If the israelis would not occupy illegaly the Palestinian Terrirtories nobody had to demonstrate or throw stones. The ISF does neither have the legitimacy to be in on Palestinian Land nor to shoot or attack demonastrating people.
I really never heard an zionist commenting on the Middle East issue without insulting the Palestinian or the peace activists. This behaviour is so typical of you zionists, because you are running out of factual and reasonable arguments!
mariamagdalena111 1 year ago
@raisedinthecity
If the israelis would not occupy illegaly the Palestinian Terrirtories nobody had to demonstrate or throw stones. The ISF does neither have the legitimacy to be in on Palestinian Land nor to shoot or attack demonastrating people.
I really never heard an zionist commenting on the Middle East issue without insulting the Palestinian or the peace activists. This behaviour is so typical of you zionists, because you are running out of factual and reasonable arguments!
mariamagdalena111 1 year ago
@mariamagdalena111 Here's a factual and reasonable argument.
The Arabs started the 1967 War and Israel WON it.
The defending nation won and gets to "dictate the peace" which means keeping some land from Egypt and Georgia.
Case closed.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@raisedinthecity I went to this CCTV video proof and I did not see a canister bouncing off and hitting her but I did not see anyone hit her in the eye at point blank range.
No one can say for sure but those involved and it's up to speculation. But for Israel's sake, I hope the soldier did not intentionally take her eye out because it would suck if we had to add another crime to Israel's very long and unfortunate list.
Merakixo 1 year ago
@Merakixo Wow, that's pretty cool because in that video I don't see her get hit by ANYTHING at all!
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
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I will bet that Emily's attorney wet his pants when he saw the the CCTV footage proving that the tear gas canister ricocheted off the wall first before hitting her in the eye. Gee, I guess that means it was an accident and she was not targeted. So much for her being some kind of self hating Jew Palestinian heroine. Maybe her rich left wing doctor dad will will be forced to pay for her medical treatment after all. You and her are a fraud.
raisedinthecity 1 year ago 4
@DrKenHildebrandt
If we talk about emotions, I am very sad that that happened with Emily Henochowicz.
I am sad about those children too, who are bred to be thugs and murderers.
watch?v=eTGbP55HGi8
watch?v=J08GqXMr3YE
And that Israeli children who have also no future.
watch?v=IXrcOec21U0
The global situation is sad, but much more complicated than you're trying to express.
And I see no way out.
I do not see a peaceful solution.
Soaproot 1 year ago
@Soaproot - Glad to see we're making progress. Please watch the video - In the First Hour of the Obama Presidency with Noam Chomsky, posted on this channel. "Elementary truths" are still easily buried, as Noam has pointed out. The entire world has agreed upon the general parameters of a peaceful settlement. Reasonable people want peace when possible, but a disproportionate minority are putting expansion over security, so, as you stated, people, especially innocent children, lose on both 'sides.'
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
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Merakixo 1 year ago
She is State of Israel citizen.
She confesses in the interview that she had participated in the riots and abetted in the threat to the life of police and soldiers.
If someone take a gun and aim at an american police officer, he will be lucky, if not will be dead. Typically, the road of a radicals fighters against the Israeli democracy is the road of provocations and lies. This girl took advantage of, but it had not received clarification“how to lie”. Sad.:( She is only young and silly girl.:(
Soaproot 1 year ago
@Soaproot - Nonsense. There was no riot, and no one pointed a gun at the Israeli border officer. She was peacefully protesting.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt No nonsense, only truth.
wath this: watch?v=EF5k3NiGwpo - length between 2:30 - 2:50 listen and look at the facial expressions. "Trash from the ground".
If the "peaceful demonstrators" did not provoke the soldiers throwing stones, concrete trash, and sometimes cocktails Molotov, then no one would have fired tear gas. Israel is the only country in the Middle East, where there is real democracy, where there are real elections, where not break up peaceful demonstrations. Truth
Soaproot 1 year ago
@Soaproot - No one was throwing Molotov cocktails at this demonstration. Kids, clearly separate from the group Emily was with, were throwing stones.
You can't be serious about her facial expressions I hope. Take a look at her facial expressions in her song about missing Palestine, and listen to her words.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
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Soaproot 1 year ago
Henochowicz is a real hero . down with the apartheid state of israel, say NO to occupation , say NO to zionist racism
jeddahsub 1 year ago
they didn't shoot her in the eye intentionally. she's a stupid girl demonstrating in a warzone. she accepted the risk the moment she stepped into the fire. what a stupid girl
wrldeye12 1 year ago
Holy shit, I used to watch her YT videos, years ago.
R0undAboutMidnight 1 year ago
that stupid bitch was in country on a student visa
somehow she ended up with the ism...within a month of entering israel....and went to at least 20 protests
she shouldve been kicked out of the country...she lied on her visa application
getting shot in the eye was a nice thing to do
they shoulda popped a cap in her fat ass
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 This woman has more courage in that one eye then you have in your entire body. Think about it, she was willing to travel halfway across the world to protest something that she's against and you're sitting at home complaining about some visa. She's a real woman with guts; you're just some internet tough guy.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 according to her story...she flew halfway across the world to attend school....not to participate in any protests
oh...and ive been to israel....does that make me brave too?
idiot...jew hating bastard
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 The difference is you've been there to embrace the occupation, not to protest it. You don't go there to do anything constructive - she did. And I don't hate Jews, though I'm not liking you very much.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 no...the difference is...i love my people and my land and she doesnt
and you do hate the jew
and there is no palestine...therefore no occupation
cant occupy land that was illegally occupied before you took it over...and that is according to international law
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 International Law? You really don't wanna go there, my friend.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 i will go there...as international law has been misused since 67
what should have happened was what happened with pakistan and india....total population exchange
the arabs kicked out all of their jews...they shouldve taken in all the arabs from the west bank and gaza
brabon1 1 year ago
@brabon1 Why?
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 After WWII, 15.5 million Germans were kicked out of many European nations; Poland kicked out the most Germans; over eight million; the Czechs, 2.5 million.
Tough.
SatchmoSings 8 months ago
@SatchmoSings You must realize that in supporting collective punishment, you make yourself no better than those you profess to hate. You don't erase barbarism with more barbarism. It doesn't work that way.
yerk3 8 months ago
@yerk3 So, indiscriminately firing 6000 rockets into Israel somehow doesn't count as "collective punishment."
War is the ultimate form of collective punishment.
When the British were in the process of bombing Germany they didn't look out the window first and ask the bombs not to fall on those who were not really Nazi supporters.
"Collective Punishment" indeed! Simply another inane whiney-phrase used by left-wing military fairies.
SatchmoSings 7 months ago
@SatchmoSings Non sequitur. The people at this protest were not firing rockets or any other projectile. What some unrelated party did at some other time is irrelevant. Your attempt to justify collective punishment by citing what you believe to be collective punishement by an unrelated party who had nothing to do with these protesters is a tautology. If one is justified, then the other is also justified, and likewise if one is evil, then the other is also evil. Two wrongs don't make a right.
yerk3 7 months ago
Dr... u can see how the indoctrinated people here like capeside and gladio4ever comments here are so amazing. Emily loss her one eye... These guys and the likes lost their eyes years ago blinded by probably years of systematically hate brainwashing. Their morality and humanity have lost or have no value. No evidence will make them realize...
xanithkl 1 year ago
@xanithkl - You're probably right in many instances, yet as Emily sang in a song she recently released on youtube under thirstypixels, she once didn't see, so we have to try. If we don't try, then they just get what the propagandists send out to them. We have to counter the propaganda.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@xanithkl i love it! you have no real response to any of what i've said, so all you can do is piss out stupid slogans and call me "blind". I see right through your bullshit. I also see right through this "Doctor's" bullshit. making a youtube video dressed like he's in a fucking lecture, sitting in front of a case of books, and barely able to keep up with me (a 21 year old in his first yr of college) in a simple debate on the subject..... get a life Doc!
capeside 1 year ago
"You don't shoot somebody in the eye not on purpose." Yes you do, idiot. Especially with a teargas canister. You shoot those up in the air and they land somewhat randomly. They're impossible to aim directly. Know what you're talking about before you ejaculate it all over youtube.
Maybe this will teach this silly girl and others not to throw rocks at men with guns. She's lucky that she didnt get hit with a rubber bullet.
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside - Wrong, wrong and wrong. They weren't lobbing them up in the air when this hit her.
She wasn't throwing rocks, and she wasn't lucky to not be hit with a rubber bullet, but rather she was unlucky enough to be in the line of fire of someone who toyed with her life for nothing.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt listen my man, i've shot a teargas canister. they arent direct fire weapons. theyre terribly inaccurate. you shoot them at a crowd, not a person. all im saying is that this soldier did not take aim at her face.
and if she wansnt throwing rocks, one of her buddies was.
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside - How do you know where he was aiming? These weapons have longer barrels than a pistol, so how could they be so "terribly inaccurate?" It was also reported that shots landed on both sides of her before one struck her in the face.
Some kids were throwing rocks, not her buddies, yet either way, rocks thrown by kids are no match for tear gas canisters shot with firearms.
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt i guess that you don't know too much about weapons (which is a good thing). a teargas canister doesn't take the path of a bullet. you fire it into the air.... not in a straight line. therefor, you dont aim at a person because you can't. you are aiming into a large area. look it up.
also, i was in the idf and was one of my friends break his leg with a rock from a sling. another got hit in the face and almost died. i would rather be teargassed than get hit with one of those rock
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside - Though these weapons are designed to be fired at a great distance, in this case they were fired at close range, with eyewitnesses claiming shots landed on both sides of Emily before one struck her in the face.
If the canisters were fired up "into the air" at close range, then they would've soured far over the protesters' heads.
"The greatest weapon in the hands of the oppressor is the mind of the oppressed." - Steve Biko, murdered in custody by the Apartheid regime
DrKenHildebrandt 1 year ago
@capeside Then get tear gassed and STFU.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 yea, you wish. is that all you can say to me? you think you're going to win any arguments that way? not used to jews fighting back and speaking our minds? Israel, the jewish people, and i are here to stay, and here to defend ourselves. we're never going to shut up, bitch
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside I have this tendency to react to stupid comments with stupid comments. "I rather get tear gassed" How about "I'd rather exercise my freedom of speech without worrying about getting violently attacked.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 throwing rocks isnt the same as execising your freedom of speech. if there were rocks being thrown in any protest, anywhere in the world, there would be teargas shot. dont give israel a double standard.
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside I will give Israel the double standard; they have no business being there to being with. It's not a legitimate state. Their occupation is illegal under international law; everyone knows this. So they have no right to tear gas anyone.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 it's a completely legitimate state according to the un and the rest of the free world. as for no business being there, i believe that the jews, being the most oppressed people throughout history, have the right to their own state. are you saying that all white people should go back to europe? is america legitimate? canada? south africa?
as for international law, ask the palestinian terror groups how their battle plan confines to international law.
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside So ultimately, you're saying that all oppressed groups have the right to have their own state; So Africans, Native Americans, Aborigine, etc. would have every right to occupy countries illegally and call it their own because of their history of being oppressed?
As for the Palestinians, well, ultimately they're just fighting terror with terror. I have nothing but the utmost respect for people who are fighting for their human rights.
Fighting31406 1 year ago
@Fighting31406 well, i'm saying that they deserve a state..... but saying they have the "right" is a little strong i guess. anyway, israel is not occupying a country. they are occupying a territory that was won fairly in a defensive war against jordan.
have you ever heard of the winner of a war giving back territory to the folks that attacked them?
also, i wanted to say thank you because most political arguments i get in on youtube are hate-filled rants. so im proud that we can be civilized!
capeside 1 year ago
@capeside
You Zionazi Israelis fire these deliberately at people don't lie! Why are you using tear gas at all? It is only the darkest of regimes that use tear gas like totalitarian or racist states. You Zionazis are so brainwashed you cannot tell right from wrong even a peaceful ship of humanitarian workers are "terrorists". All Zionazis like yourself should be forced to undergo a Zionazi re-education program like Germans were forced to after the war.
petersz98 1 year ago
@DrKenHildebrandt Yes, and you KNOW where he was aiming!
You know EVERYTHING; us anti-leftists are just a bunch of ignoramuses.
SatchmoSings 1 year ago
@SatchmoSings Idiot, the video clearly shows where he was aiming.
yerk3 8 months ago
@capeside
If you have shot tear gas cannisters at people how many have you killed or seriously injured? Please give details and your name rank and number and I will forward it to the International Criminal Court in the Hague.
petersz98 1 year ago