I think Gloria Steinem can go to hell.Ms. Steinem now preaches that men should consider themselves as oweing the mothers of their children nine months plus equal child-rearing time.Seeing as how for decades she's a woman who has been a vocal proponent of the idea that men are ENTIRELY unneccessary to women leading full,happy lives,her famous quote being "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle",that she's now weighing in on fatherhood is entirely cynical and hypocritical.
It is just, that I am so sick and tired about reading how bad women are being treated in certain parts of the male dominated world, especially where regimes rule the place, that I cannot stand by and not comment about it. If that makes me a lesser man than you are, then so be it. I can still remember seeing this video of a woman being shot in Afghanistan for not wearing a veil. If you think this is right, then sorry, I have nothing more to say to you. Have a good life.
Dear Mr. Big Head..oops, I mean big ass, I am as much a man as you are or you will ever be when you grow up. I have the respect of my family because I have always treated my wife as an equal and with respect. I am sorry to have offended you with my initial comment, that certainly was not my intension, but it was not directed to men in the West, because on the whole, except for the few women haters, we respect our women here. Continued on next post..............
I think that anyone, would agree that there is no such thing as Feminism. I mean the world we live in today, has no excuse for such a way of thinking. That is not to say there are no ignorant people left amongst us, but ignorance is no longer an excuse since everyone knows better . We should be so lucky that the world would be ruled by women so we can reap the compassion and the tenderness that comes with it. Enough of the consequences brought on by my fellow men regimes in this world today.
@VeryHugeAss try to be a little more constructive than, 'You are a dip chit'. please try and explain what it is you do not like from what I said so I can understand your resentment.
@MrRedoit My position is this : be a man. The world would not be a better place if women ran everything. Men have been attacked by the media consistently for over 40 years. Being male has been reduced to being born evil, which is not the case. Stand up! Never be ashamed of being a man.
@VeryHugeAss You're a fucking moron for spouting such nonsense while not understanding what feminism stands for at all. I'm a fucking moron for trying to engage an ignorant, sexist prick on YouTube. See, equality!
Feminism is firstly about spreading MsInformation, such as their constant campaign of battered husband denial. The world needs feminism like a fish needs a bicycle. :-)
Feminism promotes negative stereotyping of men and boys to disempower them. This then facilitates the removal of dignity and basic human rights.
If the KKK created a White Studies program at college, it would be similar to the Women's Studies programs created by feminists. It is about blaming those who are different from yourself, for all the problems in the world.
@proudguy Feminism is for the equality of men and women, except for extreme feminism ect. You sound like a feminist by advocating for human rights. Personally, i think alot of women call themselves feminists and behave like jerks. There are jerks in any society, or group of people. All feminists get labled as something. It's a cheap shot to just lable many different people of a group when lots of feminists are very different from each other and debate their ideas on feminism.
@proudguy Are you totally disconnected ot reality? It's the PATRIARCHY that perpetuates negative stereotypes about masculinity -- the only emotion you're allowed to have is anger, you can't have feelings, you have to put on this macho pose, etc.
Yeah, evoke the KKK -- well done in making your argument utterly disconnected from reality.
"The Patriarchy" hahaha LMAO. Is that the world wide conspiracy against women? Women's studies. Desperate to see yourself as a victim? As soon as I hear the word "Patriarchy" I know I am talking with a feminist nut case.
@proudguy If it were a conspiracy it'd be the most obvious and hamfisted one in history. The patriarchy is about imposing limited and unhealthy gender roles upon EVERYONE, and it is the hierarchal assumption that male/masculine is better than female/feminine. You can see this at work in a group of men with no women present, and the way they check each other for being "girly" by, y'know, having feelings or not putting on a 24-hour tough guy stance.
Baloney. Women impose these unhealthy gender roles on men & boys as much as men do. They teach little boys to not cry, allowing girls to cry. Everyone contributes to culture and everyone is to blame. Feminism is about pointing fingers.
I have heard plenty of women bad mouthing men. Women sexually harass young men in the workplace. They do every vile thing that men do. In sports, boys are encouraged to be tough.
Equality means everybody, not pointing fingers as feminism does.
@proudguy Feminism is about broadening perspectives. Yes, women no doubt enforce patriarchal norms on themselves and others, in the same way that coloured people can buy into white supremacy. But while patriarchy dehumanizes all, women lose additonally in every way from the amount of political & economic power they don't have, to double standards regarding sexuality, to rates of violence and sexual assault.
If a man is harassed at work he can and should complain.
haha, she is so wonderful. This interview is ridiculous! I suppose I shouldn't even bother to address the feminazi comments, or those of blupheonix44, (though your ignornace is showing hard) I am just very very happy that this woman continues to speak so fiercely on behalf of our sisterhood.
The interviewer is such a moron (or perhaps, more politely, a product of his time). This is so campy, I love it. Really has nothing to do with feminism at all, but with some reporter from CBC in 1968 trying to get laid: why else would they use a shot of the dude spooning a melon. I wouldn't have been able to keep my composure as she had, she's a class act.
........OLD COW FEMINAZIS AND EVEN BUNNY GLORIA, decried high heels and STILETTOS as instruments of male oppression,,,,,,todays ruthless yuppie babes just love them and are sleeping their way to success,,,,,,do i love this country or what!!! EVEN THE NEW OLD COW FEMINAZIS(except hillary who wears hush puppys on her fat feet) ARE wearing CFM's so they wont go home with the saturday evening post 24-7..........who can blame ol bill the bubba for jumping off the porch.
"Saying you are a feminist paints a picture of a female who has one agenda when it comes to any man that she might get her claws into."
From the point of view of a misogynist threatened by women who speak their own minds and who campaign for equality (in terms of political representation, salary, and freedom from violence amongst a great many other issues) I'm sure it does. If you're, y'know, a FEMINIST then what it means is you view women as people who deserve equal rights.
People who oppose feminism and/or fight for men's rights are not "...misogynist[s] threatened by women who speak their own minds..." Get a grip on reality, dumbass!
Funny, you don't sound like a woman speaking your own mind, you sound like an Orwellian 'sheep' repeating the same propaganda over and over again.
Feminists are no more about equality than the Keebler elves are about beer...
Feminism in it's current form exists solely to raise women's rights above those of males. To be a more protected gender than males. To have rights without responsibility.
@blupheonix44 No it isn't. I'm a feminist, and I support females and males. I also think rights come with responsibility. You mean extreme feminism, not all feminism. I don't want women to be a more protected gender than males.
I think I can hear the men you date still laughing.
Don't be a full specially if you don't earn much. Pay for yourself but don't pay for them. The whole world is gided to make life easy for them, don't make it even more so.
Yeah, that bitch supported a movement that made the gender wage gap go from $.35 to the dollar (if you were a white woman) or $.31 to the dollar (if you were a black woman) to up to like $.75 to the dollar! TOTALLY unacceptable. Men and women weren't divided before this! No sir! TOTAL equality before 2nd Wave Feminism. Yup.
Feminism is a corporate inspired political movement designed to lower wages by increasing the labor force. Since wages decline, a man is less likely to be able to support his spouse on one salary and so his wife is more likely to be forced to work whether she wants to or not. The woman enters the workforce further increasing the labor market and causing more downward pressure on wages. Then even a single womans wages are in decline. Its corporate greed backed by Marxist destruction.
No, feminism does not inherently refute men's rights. In some, and let me say here "very few" cases, there have been some "over"corrections of a system that historically protected and furthered men's rights ahead of women's. One of the key points is what you mention here. There have been policy changes that have tipped the scales too far one way, with the goals of correcting centuries-long wrongs, but inevitably, the pendulum will work its way back to the median.
i love gloria steinam, she doesnt hate men. she isnt lesbian, she is fantastic, feminism in that era actually made a difference. these days feminism is all stereotyped and all that which sucks ya know.
There are so many degrees of feminism, some far more volatile and vitriolic than others, so saying you're 'a proud feminist' while not identifying which faction you belong to means people will lump you into the default 'man-hating cunt' catagory.
well im not an extremest type , cause i dont hate men.i like men. i dont sterotype anything as whole. like the extreme feminist would say ALL men are sexist,evil etc. but that makes the image of feminism look bad. when it really isnt. so im not a "man hating cunt" hah!
I'm unsure how one justifies another making an attack on another in regards to something they don't know before clarifying! I don't think one "has to" specify what kind of feminist one is to prevent being attacked! In all honesty; if anyone did, it should be the people that distort the true dictionary definition that should clarify, if anyone. Not sure why anyone justifies stereotyping and belittling anyway to begin with but hey...
The reason it is about equality is because women have not acheived equality with men as of yet, therefore they require the representation and it is about equality. The dominating force really doesn't require reinforcement and I'm not sure how claiming they did would make sense. Also, I speculate that to assume it is not about equality, would be to assume that men are having their rights taken away from them which seems to be the common theme here and I'm not sure how that is justified.
Feminism does not speak for the millions of men who fall victim to divorce courts and frustrative laws that prevent them from spending adequate time with their children. It does not speak for male victims of domestic abuse. Feminsim only deals with inequalities against women, and in many instances women are gaining more rights than men.
I agree that the laws regarding custody do tend to favour women. That being said there is a mens rights movement regarding fathers rights and domestic abuse. I don't see how feminism itself refutes that! I believe there is some inequality there (although I question support relative to need) and that is a worthy cause of speaking up against and I would support that cause any day! Just because I believe in equal opportunity for women, doesn't mean I don't believe in equal opportunity for men.
The men's movement was established to counter the imbalances being imposed by the feminist movement. It never existed until over-zelous, greedy women tipped the scales.
Now we have a system of no-fault divorce, where 70% of such claims are filed by women. They receive a mass transfer of wealth from their husbands in forms of assets, alimony and child support, along with near universal assignment of child custody. You're trying to tell me that feminism doesn't inherantly refute men's rights?
No, feminism does not "inherantly" refute mens rights! Honestly, I'm sorry and maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like you've had a bad experience and your transferring your anger onto feminism itself. I'm not seeing a problem with the no fault divorce. I would love to see stats on these women that unjustly gained "mass wealth" vs single mothers that recieve no child support etc. I don't think the details of ones divorce settlents (a drop in the bucket) equate with issues like wage discrepencies ect.
Wage descrepencies between the sexes happen because of lifestyle choices. Women with the same qualifications, who work the same position and the same number of hours as their male collegues receive the same pay. I'm so tired of feminists constantly referring to "wage gaps" without actually researching why they happen.
Your quick uninformed assumptions; such as stating some one hasn't researched an issue when they in fact have, (My major is sociology, what was your qualification again??) and statements regarding near sighted answers to complicated issues really aren't sufficient in intellectual discussion. I would love to read your explanation of these "life style choices". I would also love to read your take on psychology's nature vs nurture.
(As well as emphasize that we are talking about western society.)
Have you read Warren Farrell's books "The Myth of Male Power" and "Why Men Earn More"? I doubt they covered that in your women's studies module. Feminist tutors don't like to get their feathers ruffled by common sense. You can also check out his very informative videos here on YouTube. I'm sure you'll be quite surprised by what you learn.
a) I really don't think that Warren Farrell would approve of your degrading comments toward feminists (re feminists & common sense). It's really a rhetorical and an unintelligent approach - again, as is making assumptions such as I have never studied mens issues and that you're quite sure I'll be surprised upon looking at them. I didn't take women's studies.Sociology covers both mens and women's issues from multiple perspectives.Youd really be better situated by asking these things first
Do ignore the unintelligent, insulting comments. There are some angry male teens on here too, and they're in no way representative of the male rights movement.
They just needed something to attach themselves to.
And that's that difference. In the men's movement we actually reprimand and distance ourselves from misogynists... while in feminist a woman openly bashing men is tolerated and seen as empowering. In the male movement, we actually tell women-bashers to grow up.
You're right. I'm tired of both sides pointing out sexism in each other's ideologies. There will be radicalism in both the Male Rights Movement, and in Feminism, but it does NOT account for the majority of either movement.
wrong.. feminist means that we believe that we are equal to men.. I am a feminist, and I believe that I am no better than a man because he is no better than me. bashing men is not empowering, it would put us on the same level as a misogynist, a true feminist would say that all we ask is to be equal. nothing more, nothing less.
Saying you are a feminist paints a picture of a female who has one agenda when it comes to any man that she might get her claws into. That is to use him for everything and anything he is worth then discard him like yesterdays trash, in short a vicious little user.
You shame us for being attracted to shallow physical characteristics in women, but at the same time no one is telling women to stop being shallow themselves (and use wealth as the main attractor).
Its a loop... Men will never "grow up" until women do. Its a two-way street, and that's feminism's major mistake. It says its trying to fix the genders, but it acts as if its a one-way street.
What do your personal actions (paying for men's dates or what not) have to do with my point to which you replied?
The point I made is that women, as an agregate STILL act like its the 15th century when it comes to what they expect from men. Your personal exception doesn't change that MOST women still use 15th century criteria on which man to accept and which one to reject.
You shame and guilt men for working and earning more, but don't educate women to not incentivize wealth in men.
@MrAlekNovy Beware of making such generalizations about feminists (" a woman openly bashing men is tolerated and seen as empowering"). I consider myself to be a feminist but have noticed and spoken out on the same double standard (man-bashing and man-threatening) that you mentioned in your post.
So, in other words, I agree with you (that some self-proclaimed feminists are acting like old-school misogynists), but just for the record, I don't derive empowerment from or even tolerate misandry.
@MrAlekNovy Beware of making such generalizations about feminists (" a woman openly bashing men is tolerated and seen as empowering"). I consider myself to be a feminist but have noticed and spoken out on the same double standard (man-bashing and man-threatening) that you mentioned in your post.
So, in other words, I agree with you (that some self-proclaimed feminists are acting like old-school misogynists), but just for the record, I don't derive empowerment from or even tolerate misandry.
@MrAlekNovy Well, I'm a feminist, and I tell men-bashers to grow up. I don't see how bashing one sex can be secluded from bashing the other, I think we're too similiar to be separated from each other. Bashing a gender has an affect on the other gender. BTW mens studies is considered a part of Feminism. Even though it's called feminism, their are certain kinds of feminism that are only for the equality of both genders. Not supremecy. I tell "men bashers" to grow up. I do not tolerate it.
"BTW mens studies is considered a part of Feminism. " How incredibly arrogant!!! By extension, I suppose that men are a subset under the category of women.
@proudguy It's not arrogant, lol, it's the truth. Although i understand how that can be percieved as arrogant, don't blame me for making it that way. I actually disagree with the category, and i disagree with the name "feminism", "feminism" has grown to intail a lot of different opinions, waves, beliefs. Alot of feminists oppose each other. If you want to change that category i support you.
@proudguy The feminism I agree with supports men and women and their rights. I didn't think that it should be "subset under the category". I guess when you study gender issues at university, the only ones that really cared were feminists who decided to integrate mens issues into it as well. Who knows how it cam about. I'll research it.
@proudguy I also think it's because while one feminist movement resolves for equality for men and women, the name is maintained as feminism, because more women are actively suppressed(physically). So i think the name is supposed to shed light on the fact where mainstream gender issues came from in the first place, the degradation of woman's rights. It's retained that name. Feminist and feminism, personally, i think need new terms, ect.
@LindaRachelJacobs What nonsense, we took the largest feminist government men bashers to the supreme court (called the Status of Women Canada) and the court said their research books were based on opinions, slander and hate crimes towards men and children. You should get your head out of the clouds and try stopping female bashers in the feminist movement who are bent on using men as the excuse for everything that goes wrong in their feminazi lives.
@markhansel1 Complete horseshit. Reality: the plaintiff's case was dismissed. What "hate crimes" were perpetrated exactly? Interesting that you commit slander while bleating about slander. The irony is so rich.
Anyone who uses the word "feminazi" without irony is living in the same fairyland of hostile denial as those who think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist.
@zammmerjammer (2) @zammmerjammer.. you see the feminazi movement is as "DARK AND EVIL WHEN IT COMES TO MEN AND CHILDREN", FAMILY'S. You can spin doctor feminazism, as socialist spin their horseshit, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order
@markg667 Are you one of these illiterates who simply use the words feminist and socialist as pejoratives with zero understanding of their actual meaning? Obviously you are. I'll wait to have a debate with you until you educate yourself.
The "elite media"? Is this Glenn Beck? Glennie honey, go back to scribbling drawings of dicks on your chalkboard -- the internet is only for grownups.
(3) @zammmerjammer where even Rockefeller said that his family's foundation had created and bankrolled the women's liberation movement in order to destroy the family and that population reduction was a fundamental aim of the global elite.
@markg667 And who are the "global elite" exactly? The Illuminati? Does this story involve leprechauns?
But yes, despite yourself, you have a point -- when given a choice most women choose NOT to have 11 babies. They only destroyed the "family" if it was built on a foundation of oppression and exploitation. I come from a happily functional feminist family, thank you. Everyone has a voice and everyone is treated with respect.
@MrAlekNovy In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order. Gloria Steinem became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.
What was this all about in the first place, well back when Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA, they elete had a plan to remove fathers from there children,
@MrAlekNovy Excellent post. I've long wondered when men will stand up for all the positive, noble, strong qualities true masculinity is about. And when true feminists will stand up and silence the hateful chauvinists in their midst.
b) Farrell stresses that men need to speak up on their feelings but that this should not impose on womens rights or to speak up in campaign for equality. He stresses, women cant hear what men dont say and equality much as I believe I have. I have never bashed men as a whole, I declare Im a humanist and absolutely think there should be mens studies. Its offensive that just because I feel women should have equal opportunities that somehow I get chastised and its assumed Im a man hater.
I can sympathize with you. Its kind of like when someone says they're for men's rights (i.e. me) and he's immediatelly chastized as being a "woman hater".
You will have to understand why its happening. If 19 out of 20 women (for woman's rights) women we meet happen to be man-haters, you can see how its easy to generalize, can't you?
If anything, you should be speaking up to other women when you see them spreading man-bashing and misandry if you want to help change this.
And c) The myth of male power. While acknowledging that there are issues for men in different areas, Warren admits that women have less socialization to take a career that pays more and therefore feel less financial security and consequently more obligated to marry for money. How many men do you see serving coffee in coffee shops, and how many women do you see working in assembly plants that pay at least twice as much?
And how many men do you insist on only dating women who earn more?
The part you're missing is that women STILL prefer higher-earning men. Men do not want to work higher-paying jobs because they like the job. Men work higher-paying jobs to impress and date women.
Men would gladly work an easier and lower paid cofee-shop job if they could get away with it.
You're completely ignoring the female part in that loop/cycle. Where women expect men to pay for everything, and work more.
A true feminist would never expect a man to pay for everything or to work more. In fact, I have always taken care of the men I date, even though I do not earn a lot of money. It is all about respect and equal responsibility. Feminism is all about equality, and that means that I am no better than a man, and he is no better than me. We should work the same and share the cost of everything,
Another point, the huge criticism to Farrell is that money is equated with power. As much as I disagree that wealth should define success, (and by doing so feel I am in line with what Farrell promotes) we live in a capitalist society that dictates to us that wealth is success. Poverty is a huge definer of health, what power do you have when youre living in poverty?
The average "poor person" in for example the USA lives better than the average european.
There is almost no true poverty in western countries (hunger, homelessness etc)... There are actually more shelters than there are homeless in the western world (they refuse to be given shelter or a job).
Most "poor" people in western countries are people who can only afford a 20 inch tv instead of a 30 inch one :(
really? REEALLLY? remind me, did they ever pass that equal pay bill? how many male-on-female rapes and sexual assaults occur in a day? HOW are women portrayed in the media? HOW prevalent are eating disorders among women?
I admit, I do have this exclusively female right to be treated as an "other". And a great advantage in a situation where i aim to be impregnated by rape. Be jealous?
feminists, l ike all forms of collectivists form their agendas around destroying individuals of a common group or attribute. In this case, their bigotry is formulated in destroying mankind.
there u go fellas another male that proves my point! and another jackass defeated -by his own words! i love it who is next!! cafe its been ....fun -ny! u have made me laugh by proving my exact point --- all u know is how to curse (thinking somehow that it hurts me -this is beyond me) and u can not even decipher an intellectual message --- i mean why do u even try? u just embarrassed urself
You are obviously very uneducated about her. She always took anti-man women on and was an advocate for equality, nothing more. Also she was a strong voice for civil rights.
She was a key tool in our current road to androgyny. Who financed Ms. magazine?...Get over this image of some grassroot idealist who gave a shit about women....she has done more damage than you apparently can grasp!
Don't women do themselves a disservice by employing so much time and energy on the task of "looking attractive"? I'm sure there are plenty of men who also spend an inordinate amount of time on their physical looks (and we all do it to some extent), but by and large it seems to me that women spend the most time and energy on their physical looks (e.g., manicures, pedicures, hair treatments, etc.). When so much effort is expended on these matters, how much is left for exercising their minds?
Gloria is a trostkite tool who along with the likes of Sontag and Freidan duped western woman in victimization in order to ultimately destroy the family and the real feminine mystique. Family=bad, women lamenting the lost opportunity to have children and fullfil their true inherent nature =good!
Oh... please... you've bought the anti-feminist propaganda and are absolutely as wrong as you can be. The "true feminine mystique," in your eyes means biology is destiny, that you are not a full human being unless you utilize your uterus. That role was historically used to imprison women in what was called "the cult of true womanhood" in the 19th century. And for goodness sakes, at least spell Trotsky right !
glad to see you can spell.....one of these days you may even begin to think for yourself. Look around society is in decay and women in particularly are lost. Feminism is an empty promise producing empty souls with empty lives.
One thing I know, I definitely think for myself. It's what led me to figure out why all the pain inside even as a young girl . I cldn't accept societal indoctrination that was hurting and humiliating so many girls & women. In your arrogance, don't think you can insult me and my intelligence. The current plight of human females in world, traffic in women is ancient, Still females as property. It's a slap in the face of feminism. Violence toward women is still accepted, now by younger males.
I don't discount the plight of women through the years. There is no argument there. My discontent centers around women like Steinem, Freidan and Jung who were nothing more than communist props funded by the CIA and Frankfurt School apparatus. See the film Freedom to Fascism where Nick Rockafeller describes in detail to Aarron Russo as to how they created the womens movement. Their motives included getting women into the workforce and getting their children into daycare for early indoctrination.
That is total bulls**t sir. It is paranoid propaganda. It is paranoid nonsense. You know nothing about the second wave of the women's movement following on the 19th c movement which started in 1848 as result of a mtg in Seneca Falls NY. Freidan was a housewife, read It Changed My Life. Steinem is a Smith College graduate who worked w/J.K. Galbraith in Kennedy Adm. in 1962. You're totally nuts, out to lunch, off the planet. I don't know how else to put it. You're dangerous.
The truth can be dangerous and someday when your older and grayer it may dawn on you. I've repelled down the rabbit hole many years ago only to discover that most of my reality was based in pure fiction as yours still is. If you actually did a little research you would find out just how truly dangerous these women are and what they have done to society. But then, the truth is not for all just those who seek it.
Today's modern liberal believes in equality of outcome no matter the cost. Yesterdays liberal the pre 1960's believed in equality of opportunity. Big difference. Before the 60's you could fail and have to re assess your abilities and find your niche, today with equality of outcome if you fail it's not your fault it's everyone elses and therefore we have to bend the rules as to make the person who couldn't make it in that area make it no matter the cost to society in the long run.
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A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. -- Gloria Steinem. Very well, you women don't need any of us men nor do we you. We'll find our comfort in life in another pond where the people are a bit friendlier and not prone to denouncing us as women beaters. As far as pigs like steinem, she's from an ethnic group of the most pampered women on the face of planet earth!
Gloria Steinem didn't say that, ignorant. It was Irina Dunn. I honest to God wish you enraged anti-feminists did your homework before commenting with your conspiracy theories and crap like hat.
crap like hat? Interesting. As if I care. In reading up on that she wasn't very bright as she got that from man needs god like a fish needs a bicycle. That of course proves feminists aren't very bright. No man can be expected to return a feminists toxic hatred of them with love. Feminists will only manage to do what they want to do in regards to men and that is to eventually make them hate you back.
She didn't say that. Anyway dn't u believe that we men (Im a guy) are capable of survivng w/out women taking care of us? I do. Back then it was common belief that women men, that's not necesarily true 4 anyone. Steinem never denounced men as women beaters, other radicals did, and she hit them back for it. Do ur homework. I think a parter is an option don't u? It is for men, and that is accepted. So y shldnt it be accepted4 women? U r very ignorant to think tht wmn need men but men dnt need wmn.
I find it funny that women will after denouncing men turn around and wonder why men aren't tripping all over themselves to marry them now. If the kitten never wanted me I don't want the cat. A lot of young women after the fun is over and reality hits them they find out they really do want a man or really do want the kind person who did things just because not because he was looking for something. Of course after all the BS that kind person is no more. Reason, the hint was taken, eventually.
Because men don't have the same level of clout in family court as a harridan like yourself would most certainly use. Even if it was really a case of being bored married to a guy and cheating on him due to that. A guy gets screwed any which way with an educated harridan, I really need to refine what I call american females as w-m-n doesn't describe it anymore. I think harridan does a good enough job. Thank you for your comment.
oooo u said hag! but u disguised it into a silly word thinking u were tricking me!!! aww u so smart! and u sound soooooooo educated mister - can u say dada next??
complaining about men not having equality in court (because of what society full of men ordered to be so in the first place) and then saying its because women cheat and stuff (as opposed to most men who cheat? )makes u sound so much less idiotic now - i think moke is a much better word! yeah look it up.....and ur welcome!
I believe I called you a vicious female. The word harridan also means shrew or vicious female. You proved to me just what I said. As far as harridans getting better treatment in court. Of course you do you like it both ways, chilvalry should reign when it matters to you. Gender equality to a harridan is a one way street of only her and her alone. Now you can go along and play with the lesbians errr, feminists some more. Harridan.
oh im sorry well there is something we call synonyms - sorry i thought u got to that english class - but thanks for proving my point! go play with ur lesbians! wow so original - does it not bother u that the only thing u males ever say to counter are lesbians, bitches,whores and the like? cant u come up with something different or at least original? or is that too hard? i thought u did not like feminists how come u now have ur own definition?im whippin ya ass with ur own words - its hysterical!
Funny, isn't it, how feminists have worked so hard for reproductive rights -- i.e. the right to birth control and abortion -- when they're all lesbians? Well, I guess that's female logic for ya!
I find it funny that you think A) all women who fight for their rights aren't married or never will be, and B) that that somehow measures how worthy a woman's opinion is.
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A) I couldn't careless if a feminist womyn is happy or sad, she's irrelavant to me. B) since when is anything that comes out of a feminist broads mouth sane never mind worthy. C) take a nice big cup of shut the fucking fuck up and go bake some douchebag a potpie. It'll make you fell like a real woman.
Maybe it would shock some sense into them. Perhaps that's what they need. When you're blinded by ideology, sometimes you need a shocking wake-up call to bring you back to the real world.
the feminist agenda we know today is the result of a desire by the super-rich to exploit society for their own profit. Yes women make a third less than men in the workplace thatb is the reason the super-rich wanted them working .... cheap labor like every other thing they have done to get cheap labor also isn't it a fact that 40 years after feminism the majority of women hate their jobs the way a majority of men have fo decades?
bon1042, I'm not sure if your remarks were directed at me, but if they were, then I must confess I am a little confused. I don't quite understand your advice to "take your meds and go to bed...forever." If you look carefully at my post, you'll find that I was actually criticizing the subtle ways by which women, in general, are encouraged to place more importance on their physical looks than, let's say, their intellectual faculties. Surely that's an abomination? In any case, I thank you.
I realize you are ignorant and brainwashed so I take your comments from where they come gloria steinem worked for the cia and she dated henry kissinger a mass murderer. everyone knows that does that not bother you?
U need to know ur history, she never dated Kissinger (a United States Secretary of State). That was a joke made to Kissinger by a Nixon administration official that some people took seriously. Kissinger and Steinem both made statements disavowing the rumors. What stupid rumors!
It's so startling to see how the interviewer treats her " a groovy chick" "a stunning woman" "don't you have to be stacked?" It's like he's so brainwashed by his macho reporter identity he can't even give an interview. She has so much grace in the situation.
feminism has ruined the mind of so many women today. Abortion, no fault divorce, a now 50% divorce rate ever since 2nd wave feminism came into play during the 60s and 70s.
what do you mean by that its helped women be stronger people i think feminism is a good thing so you think women should be useless housewives that is a sexist statement cause gloria was all about equality. divorce has nothing to do with feminism and maybe that women stood up for herself and its a womens right to have a child or not to have a child it affects a womans life you have no idea how feminism is actually a good thing i consider myself one actually
I believe that the self described "Professorfoxtrot" shall now be referred to as "pantload" please begin using this fitting name when speaking to himself in the further.
writers. I don't comment often so i'm not sure how to post in order, so i'm sorry for how this is being read.
But i suggest the book Manifesta. It's a nice read for beginning feminists.
Prof., to claim that an establishment is legitimate if it perpetuates the discrimination held in its ruling members and laws, then one claims something more akin to fascism than feminism has suggested.
There are many kinds of feminisms. Some you'd like more than others. I am a male feminist. You don't know us.
There's another fallacy in assuming that being a 'male' is a virtue as though being a member of a group who subordinates the individual rights of those with whom you share some common attribute. Just as the blacks who were made 'honourary whites' in Kenya for oppressing individual black slaves, the male-feminist does not seek virtue, but power.
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"male feminists" what a laugh. You do know that feminists don't trust you because you are male, right?
They won't even let the baby males attend their witch covens, let alone an adult male. You are a useful idiot to them. And you won't get a meaningful relationship with any of them. And if you do, you will be the female half of the relationship, that they will secretly hate because you have no spin, and will not stand up to your manWo wife.
actually feminist dont hate men they just want equal rights and hate ignorant men and it makes you look like an idiot that ur a sexist man which makes you ignorant really someone who is sexist is not a strong person
FUCK YOU i mean feminist want equality and i mean you dont understand at all. whats so wrong with women in a judical system i find it quite okay and they might get more money cause there better workers so really you dont get it
what fear if women arent given rights men would wouldnt survive it takes women and men to have a socitey a women should work the buisnesses like men do and dont live inside gender steryotypes. and im saying maybe that some women were better in judical then some men so i guess thats why
She was and is beautiful But most of all she is intelligent I thank her for making me part of the movement.
rubydawn1 3 months ago
I think Gloria Steinem can go to hell.Ms. Steinem now preaches that men should consider themselves as oweing the mothers of their children nine months plus equal child-rearing time.Seeing as how for decades she's a woman who has been a vocal proponent of the idea that men are ENTIRELY unneccessary to women leading full,happy lives,her famous quote being "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle",that she's now weighing in on fatherhood is entirely cynical and hypocritical.
disagreeablesob 5 months ago
Feminism is an absolute Western social plague.
Thankfully, the communist Iron Curtain stopped that bullshit from reaching and poisoning the rest of the world.
amazingdany 5 months ago
One poster on here said that feminism is "all about equality for both women and men. "
What a crock of shite ! Men are not that stupid to believe that line. Thank you.
cheeriosinabowl 6 months ago
Steinem is pissed because her mother was a crazy bitch and she blamed it on society.
VeryHugeAss 9 months ago
It is just, that I am so sick and tired about reading how bad women are being treated in certain parts of the male dominated world, especially where regimes rule the place, that I cannot stand by and not comment about it. If that makes me a lesser man than you are, then so be it. I can still remember seeing this video of a woman being shot in Afghanistan for not wearing a veil. If you think this is right, then sorry, I have nothing more to say to you. Have a good life.
MrRedoit 10 months ago
Dear Mr. Big Head..oops, I mean big ass, I am as much a man as you are or you will ever be when you grow up. I have the respect of my family because I have always treated my wife as an equal and with respect. I am sorry to have offended you with my initial comment, that certainly was not my intension, but it was not directed to men in the West, because on the whole, except for the few women haters, we respect our women here. Continued on next post..............
MrRedoit 10 months ago
I think that anyone, would agree that there is no such thing as Feminism. I mean the world we live in today, has no excuse for such a way of thinking. That is not to say there are no ignorant people left amongst us, but ignorance is no longer an excuse since everyone knows better . We should be so lucky that the world would be ruled by women so we can reap the compassion and the tenderness that comes with it. Enough of the consequences brought on by my fellow men regimes in this world today.
MrRedoit 10 months ago
@MrRedoit You are a dipshit. Shut up.
VeryHugeAss 10 months ago
@VeryHugeAss try to be a little more constructive than, 'You are a dip chit'. please try and explain what it is you do not like from what I said so I can understand your resentment.
MrRedoit 10 months ago
@MrRedoit My position is this : be a man. The world would not be a better place if women ran everything. Men have been attacked by the media consistently for over 40 years. Being male has been reduced to being born evil, which is not the case. Stand up! Never be ashamed of being a man.
VeryHugeAss 10 months ago
@VeryHugeAss You're a fucking moron for spouting such nonsense while not understanding what feminism stands for at all. I'm a fucking moron for trying to engage an ignorant, sexist prick on YouTube. See, equality!
pushelildaisies 5 months ago 2
Feminism is firstly about spreading MsInformation, such as their constant campaign of battered husband denial. The world needs feminism like a fish needs a bicycle. :-)
proudguy 1 year ago
Feminism promotes negative stereotyping of men and boys to disempower them. This then facilitates the removal of dignity and basic human rights.
If the KKK created a White Studies program at college, it would be similar to the Women's Studies programs created by feminists. It is about blaming those who are different from yourself, for all the problems in the world.
proudguy 1 year ago
@proudguy Feminism is for the equality of men and women, except for extreme feminism ect. You sound like a feminist by advocating for human rights. Personally, i think alot of women call themselves feminists and behave like jerks. There are jerks in any society, or group of people. All feminists get labled as something. It's a cheap shot to just lable many different people of a group when lots of feminists are very different from each other and debate their ideas on feminism.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@proudguy Are you totally disconnected ot reality? It's the PATRIARCHY that perpetuates negative stereotypes about masculinity -- the only emotion you're allowed to have is anger, you can't have feelings, you have to put on this macho pose, etc.
Yeah, evoke the KKK -- well done in making your argument utterly disconnected from reality.
zammmerjammer 11 months ago
@zammmerjammer
"The Patriarchy" hahaha LMAO. Is that the world wide conspiracy against women? Women's studies. Desperate to see yourself as a victim? As soon as I hear the word "Patriarchy" I know I am talking with a feminist nut case.
proudguy 11 months ago
@proudguy If it were a conspiracy it'd be the most obvious and hamfisted one in history. The patriarchy is about imposing limited and unhealthy gender roles upon EVERYONE, and it is the hierarchal assumption that male/masculine is better than female/feminine. You can see this at work in a group of men with no women present, and the way they check each other for being "girly" by, y'know, having feelings or not putting on a 24-hour tough guy stance.
zammmerjammer 10 months ago
@zammmerjammer
Baloney. Women impose these unhealthy gender roles on men & boys as much as men do. They teach little boys to not cry, allowing girls to cry. Everyone contributes to culture and everyone is to blame. Feminism is about pointing fingers.
I have heard plenty of women bad mouthing men. Women sexually harass young men in the workplace. They do every vile thing that men do. In sports, boys are encouraged to be tough.
Equality means everybody, not pointing fingers as feminism does.
proudguy 10 months ago
@proudguy Feminism is about broadening perspectives. Yes, women no doubt enforce patriarchal norms on themselves and others, in the same way that coloured people can buy into white supremacy. But while patriarchy dehumanizes all, women lose additonally in every way from the amount of political & economic power they don't have, to double standards regarding sexuality, to rates of violence and sexual assault.
If a man is harassed at work he can and should complain.
zammmerjammer 10 months ago
haha, she is so wonderful. This interview is ridiculous! I suppose I shouldn't even bother to address the feminazi comments, or those of blupheonix44, (though your ignornace is showing hard) I am just very very happy that this woman continues to speak so fiercely on behalf of our sisterhood.
MssullenGrrl 1 year ago
The interviewer is such a moron (or perhaps, more politely, a product of his time). This is so campy, I love it. Really has nothing to do with feminism at all, but with some reporter from CBC in 1968 trying to get laid: why else would they use a shot of the dude spooning a melon. I wouldn't have been able to keep my composure as she had, she's a class act.
TsarMarla 1 year ago
........OLD COW FEMINAZIS AND EVEN BUNNY GLORIA, decried high heels and STILETTOS as instruments of male oppression,,,,,,todays ruthless yuppie babes just love them and are sleeping their way to success,,,,,,do i love this country or what!!! EVEN THE NEW OLD COW FEMINAZIS(except hillary who wears hush puppys on her fat feet) ARE wearing CFM's so they wont go home with the saturday evening post 24-7..........who can blame ol bill the bubba for jumping off the porch.
ERROLCUSTERFLYNN4EVR 2 years ago
CIA asset, gloria steinam..!!!!!!
blupheonix44 2 years ago
Wtf- why is she ironing?
starqz 2 years ago
"Saying you are a feminist paints a picture of a female who has one agenda when it comes to any man that she might get her claws into."
From the point of view of a misogynist threatened by women who speak their own minds and who campaign for equality (in terms of political representation, salary, and freedom from violence amongst a great many other issues) I'm sure it does. If you're, y'know, a FEMINIST then what it means is you view women as people who deserve equal rights.
argblargblog 2 years ago
@argblargblog
People who oppose feminism and/or fight for men's rights are not "...misogynist[s] threatened by women who speak their own minds..." Get a grip on reality, dumbass!
Funny, you don't sound like a woman speaking your own mind, you sound like an Orwellian 'sheep' repeating the same propaganda over and over again.
puyen58 2 years ago
Bullshit....
Feminists are no more about equality than the Keebler elves are about beer...
Feminism in it's current form exists solely to raise women's rights above those of males. To be a more protected gender than males. To have rights without responsibility.
blupheonix44 2 years ago
That is the best description I have heard in a long time. Bravo!!!
uratrick 1 year ago
@blupheonix44 No it isn't. I'm a feminist, and I support females and males. I also think rights come with responsibility. You mean extreme feminism, not all feminism. I don't want women to be a more protected gender than males.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
you take care of the men you date?
I think I can hear the men you date still laughing.
Don't be a full specially if you don't earn much. Pay for yourself but don't pay for them. The whole world is gided to make life easy for them, don't make it even more so.
prophic12345 2 years ago
LOVE HER!
foofwolf22 2 years ago
Yeah, that bitch supported a movement that made the gender wage gap go from $.35 to the dollar (if you were a white woman) or $.31 to the dollar (if you were a black woman) to up to like $.75 to the dollar! TOTALLY unacceptable. Men and women weren't divided before this! No sir! TOTAL equality before 2nd Wave Feminism. Yup.
PREACH ON, BROTHER.
/sarcasm
PS: You are ADORABLE!
TheHappyFeminist 2 years ago
why was she ironing ? trying to be ironic, ha ha get it?
anyway, too bad she was in league with criminal pigs like Henry Kissinger -even dated him
what was conversation like, i think your work with women is great for the new world order, now can you pass the corned beef hash.....
wolfhalen 2 years ago
The majority of these comments are clearly androcentric .
It does NOT take a rocket scientist to tell who the ONLY educated male in this comment section is.
The rest of you are uneducated , archaic monkeys.
Evolve already.
spankbandit 2 years ago
Hahahaha! Is that Chez in the background. ROFLMAO
penispower111 2 years ago
Feminism is a corporate inspired political movement designed to lower wages by increasing the labor force. Since wages decline, a man is less likely to be able to support his spouse on one salary and so his wife is more likely to be forced to work whether she wants to or not. The woman enters the workforce further increasing the labor market and causing more downward pressure on wages. Then even a single womans wages are in decline. Its corporate greed backed by Marxist destruction.
penispower111 2 years ago 3
"Once we needed Gloria Steinem, and now we're stuck with her."
--Camille Paglia
loqutor 2 years ago
Steinem eats it.
vastedda99 2 years ago
Another word:
IDIOT !!!!
SammySamIAm2 2 years ago 6
No, feminism does not inherently refute men's rights. In some, and let me say here "very few" cases, there have been some "over"corrections of a system that historically protected and furthered men's rights ahead of women's. One of the key points is what you mention here. There have been policy changes that have tipped the scales too far one way, with the goals of correcting centuries-long wrongs, but inevitably, the pendulum will work its way back to the median.
SammySamIAm2 2 years ago
was Dworkin cloned from this hard case :(
shazam20007 2 years ago
i love gloria steinam, she doesnt hate men. she isnt lesbian, she is fantastic, feminism in that era actually made a difference. these days feminism is all stereotyped and all that which sucks ya know.
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
I agree, but what's with the link between lesbianism and man-hating?
EmpressJudge13 2 years ago
there isnt a link, but there is a sterotype that all lesbians hate men or all feminist hate men, which isnt the case.
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
There isn't one. Psychological if any.
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
Yes, it does suck when feminists are stereotyped as being man hating, lesbians...
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
i know everytime i say im a proud feminist, men think im out to get them or something. too bad nobody gives feminism the respect it deserves.
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
There are so many degrees of feminism, some far more volatile and vitriolic than others, so saying you're 'a proud feminist' while not identifying which faction you belong to means people will lump you into the default 'man-hating cunt' catagory.
Sambucca 2 years ago
well im not an extremest type , cause i dont hate men.i like men. i dont sterotype anything as whole. like the extreme feminist would say ALL men are sexist,evil etc. but that makes the image of feminism look bad. when it really isnt. so im not a "man hating cunt" hah!
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
I'm unsure how one justifies another making an attack on another in regards to something they don't know before clarifying! I don't think one "has to" specify what kind of feminist one is to prevent being attacked! In all honesty; if anyone did, it should be the people that distort the true dictionary definition that should clarify, if anyone. Not sure why anyone justifies stereotyping and belittling anyway to begin with but hey...
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
The dictionary definition of the word feminism describes it as a movement aimed at seeking equality between both sexes.
What feminism actually translates to is an ideology that addresses women's interests and not men's, so it is far from being about equality.
Sambucca 2 years ago
The reason it is about equality is because women have not acheived equality with men as of yet, therefore they require the representation and it is about equality. The dominating force really doesn't require reinforcement and I'm not sure how claiming they did would make sense. Also, I speculate that to assume it is not about equality, would be to assume that men are having their rights taken away from them which seems to be the common theme here and I'm not sure how that is justified.
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
Feminism does not speak for the millions of men who fall victim to divorce courts and frustrative laws that prevent them from spending adequate time with their children. It does not speak for male victims of domestic abuse. Feminsim only deals with inequalities against women, and in many instances women are gaining more rights than men.
Sambucca 2 years ago
I agree that the laws regarding custody do tend to favour women. That being said there is a mens rights movement regarding fathers rights and domestic abuse. I don't see how feminism itself refutes that! I believe there is some inequality there (although I question support relative to need) and that is a worthy cause of speaking up against and I would support that cause any day! Just because I believe in equal opportunity for women, doesn't mean I don't believe in equal opportunity for men.
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
The men's movement was established to counter the imbalances being imposed by the feminist movement. It never existed until over-zelous, greedy women tipped the scales.
Now we have a system of no-fault divorce, where 70% of such claims are filed by women. They receive a mass transfer of wealth from their husbands in forms of assets, alimony and child support, along with near universal assignment of child custody. You're trying to tell me that feminism doesn't inherantly refute men's rights?
Sambucca 2 years ago
No, feminism does not "inherantly" refute mens rights! Honestly, I'm sorry and maybe I'm wrong but it sounds like you've had a bad experience and your transferring your anger onto feminism itself. I'm not seeing a problem with the no fault divorce. I would love to see stats on these women that unjustly gained "mass wealth" vs single mothers that recieve no child support etc. I don't think the details of ones divorce settlents (a drop in the bucket) equate with issues like wage discrepencies ect.
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
Wage descrepencies between the sexes happen because of lifestyle choices. Women with the same qualifications, who work the same position and the same number of hours as their male collegues receive the same pay. I'm so tired of feminists constantly referring to "wage gaps" without actually researching why they happen.
Sambucca 2 years ago
Your quick uninformed assumptions; such as stating some one hasn't researched an issue when they in fact have, (My major is sociology, what was your qualification again??) and statements regarding near sighted answers to complicated issues really aren't sufficient in intellectual discussion. I would love to read your explanation of these "life style choices". I would also love to read your take on psychology's nature vs nurture.
(As well as emphasize that we are talking about western society.)
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
Have you read Warren Farrell's books "The Myth of Male Power" and "Why Men Earn More"? I doubt they covered that in your women's studies module. Feminist tutors don't like to get their feathers ruffled by common sense. You can also check out his very informative videos here on YouTube. I'm sure you'll be quite surprised by what you learn.
Sambucca 2 years ago
a) I really don't think that Warren Farrell would approve of your degrading comments toward feminists (re feminists & common sense). It's really a rhetorical and an unintelligent approach - again, as is making assumptions such as I have never studied mens issues and that you're quite sure I'll be surprised upon looking at them. I didn't take women's studies.Sociology covers both mens and women's issues from multiple perspectives.Youd really be better situated by asking these things first
jetsundolma1 2 years ago 2
Do ignore the unintelligent, insulting comments. There are some angry male teens on here too, and they're in no way representative of the male rights movement.
They just needed something to attach themselves to.
And that's that difference. In the men's movement we actually reprimand and distance ourselves from misogynists... while in feminist a woman openly bashing men is tolerated and seen as empowering. In the male movement, we actually tell women-bashers to grow up.
MrAlekNovy 2 years ago 11
You're right. I'm tired of both sides pointing out sexism in each other's ideologies. There will be radicalism in both the Male Rights Movement, and in Feminism, but it does NOT account for the majority of either movement.
Somethingreallycool 2 years ago
wrong.. feminist means that we believe that we are equal to men.. I am a feminist, and I believe that I am no better than a man because he is no better than me. bashing men is not empowering, it would put us on the same level as a misogynist, a true feminist would say that all we ask is to be equal. nothing more, nothing less.
CatNov20 2 years ago
Saying you are a feminist paints a picture of a female who has one agenda when it comes to any man that she might get her claws into. That is to use him for everything and anything he is worth then discard him like yesterdays trash, in short a vicious little user.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
@CatNov20
You shame us for being attracted to shallow physical characteristics in women, but at the same time no one is telling women to stop being shallow themselves (and use wealth as the main attractor).
Its a loop... Men will never "grow up" until women do. Its a two-way street, and that's feminism's major mistake. It says its trying to fix the genders, but it acts as if its a one-way street.
MrAlekNovy 2 years ago
@CatNov20
What do your personal actions (paying for men's dates or what not) have to do with my point to which you replied?
The point I made is that women, as an agregate STILL act like its the 15th century when it comes to what they expect from men. Your personal exception doesn't change that MOST women still use 15th century criteria on which man to accept and which one to reject.
You shame and guilt men for working and earning more, but don't educate women to not incentivize wealth in men.
MrAlekNovy 2 years ago
@MrAlekNovy Beware of making such generalizations about feminists (" a woman openly bashing men is tolerated and seen as empowering"). I consider myself to be a feminist but have noticed and spoken out on the same double standard (man-bashing and man-threatening) that you mentioned in your post.
So, in other words, I agree with you (that some self-proclaimed feminists are acting like old-school misogynists), but just for the record, I don't derive empowerment from or even tolerate misandry.
whateverxoxo13 1 year ago
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@MrAlekNovy Beware of making such generalizations about feminists (" a woman openly bashing men is tolerated and seen as empowering"). I consider myself to be a feminist but have noticed and spoken out on the same double standard (man-bashing and man-threatening) that you mentioned in your post.
So, in other words, I agree with you (that some self-proclaimed feminists are acting like old-school misogynists), but just for the record, I don't derive empowerment from or even tolerate misandry.
whateverxoxo13 1 year ago
@MrAlekNovy Well, I'm a feminist, and I tell men-bashers to grow up. I don't see how bashing one sex can be secluded from bashing the other, I think we're too similiar to be separated from each other. Bashing a gender has an affect on the other gender. BTW mens studies is considered a part of Feminism. Even though it's called feminism, their are certain kinds of feminism that are only for the equality of both genders. Not supremecy. I tell "men bashers" to grow up. I do not tolerate it.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@LindaRachelJacobs
"BTW mens studies is considered a part of Feminism. " How incredibly arrogant!!! By extension, I suppose that men are a subset under the category of women.
proudguy 1 year ago
@proudguy It's not arrogant, lol, it's the truth. Although i understand how that can be percieved as arrogant, don't blame me for making it that way. I actually disagree with the category, and i disagree with the name "feminism", "feminism" has grown to intail a lot of different opinions, waves, beliefs. Alot of feminists oppose each other. If you want to change that category i support you.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@proudguy The feminism I agree with supports men and women and their rights. I didn't think that it should be "subset under the category". I guess when you study gender issues at university, the only ones that really cared were feminists who decided to integrate mens issues into it as well. Who knows how it cam about. I'll research it.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@proudguy I also think it's because while one feminist movement resolves for equality for men and women, the name is maintained as feminism, because more women are actively suppressed(physically). So i think the name is supposed to shed light on the fact where mainstream gender issues came from in the first place, the degradation of woman's rights. It's retained that name. Feminist and feminism, personally, i think need new terms, ect.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@proudguy Also wikipedia mens studies. it should say it's a branch of feminism on the top. I think that's the quickest link i can give you.
LindaRachelJacobs 1 year ago
@proudguy Well, biologically all vertebrate embryos are female to start with. So, kind of...
zammmerjammer 11 months ago
@LindaRachelJacobs What nonsense, we took the largest feminist government men bashers to the supreme court (called the Status of Women Canada) and the court said their research books were based on opinions, slander and hate crimes towards men and children. You should get your head out of the clouds and try stopping female bashers in the feminist movement who are bent on using men as the excuse for everything that goes wrong in their feminazi lives.
markhansel1 1 year ago
@markhansel1 Complete horseshit. Reality: the plaintiff's case was dismissed. What "hate crimes" were perpetrated exactly? Interesting that you commit slander while bleating about slander. The irony is so rich.
Anyone who uses the word "feminazi" without irony is living in the same fairyland of hostile denial as those who think Obama is a Kenyan Muslim socialist.
zammmerjammer 11 months ago
(1) Braindead@zammmerjammer=socialist pouf...and yes you are full of complete horseshit..,
markg667 11 months ago
@markg667 You called me a name over the internetz. Well done. You feel better now? You're still wrong.
zammmerjammer 11 months ago
@zammmerjammer (2) @zammmerjammer.. you see the feminazi movement is as "DARK AND EVIL WHEN IT COMES TO MEN AND CHILDREN", FAMILY'S. You can spin doctor feminazism, as socialist spin their horseshit, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order
markg667 11 months ago
@markg667 Are you one of these illiterates who simply use the words feminist and socialist as pejoratives with zero understanding of their actual meaning? Obviously you are. I'll wait to have a debate with you until you educate yourself.
The "elite media"? Is this Glenn Beck? Glennie honey, go back to scribbling drawings of dicks on your chalkboard -- the internet is only for grownups.
zammmerjammer 11 months ago
(3) @zammmerjammer where even Rockefeller said that his family's foundation had created and bankrolled the women's liberation movement in order to destroy the family and that population reduction was a fundamental aim of the global elite.
markg667 11 months ago
@markg667 And who are the "global elite" exactly? The Illuminati? Does this story involve leprechauns?
But yes, despite yourself, you have a point -- when given a choice most women choose NOT to have 11 babies. They only destroyed the "family" if it was built on a foundation of oppression and exploitation. I come from a happily functional feminist family, thank you. Everyone has a voice and everyone is treated with respect.
zammmerjammer 11 months ago
@MrAlekNovy In the 1960's, the elite media invented second-wave feminism as part of the elite agenda to dismantle civilization and create a New World Order. Gloria Steinem became a media darling due to her CIA connections. MS Magazine, which she edited for many years was indirectly funded by the CIA.
What was this all about in the first place, well back when Gloria Steinem was working with the CIA, they elete had a plan to remove fathers from there children,
markhansel1 1 year ago
@MrAlekNovy What a crock. you clowns are so dimwitted that you harm children all the time. grow up and get a life a leave the kids alone.
markg667 11 months ago
@MrAlekNovy Excellent post. I've long wondered when men will stand up for all the positive, noble, strong qualities true masculinity is about. And when true feminists will stand up and silence the hateful chauvinists in their midst.
arn123321 3 months ago
b) Farrell stresses that men need to speak up on their feelings but that this should not impose on womens rights or to speak up in campaign for equality. He stresses, women cant hear what men dont say and equality much as I believe I have. I have never bashed men as a whole, I declare Im a humanist and absolutely think there should be mens studies. Its offensive that just because I feel women should have equal opportunities that somehow I get chastised and its assumed Im a man hater.
jetsundolma1 2 years ago 2
I can sympathize with you. Its kind of like when someone says they're for men's rights (i.e. me) and he's immediatelly chastized as being a "woman hater".
You will have to understand why its happening. If 19 out of 20 women (for woman's rights) women we meet happen to be man-haters, you can see how its easy to generalize, can't you?
If anything, you should be speaking up to other women when you see them spreading man-bashing and misandry if you want to help change this.
MrAlekNovy 2 years ago
And c) The myth of male power. While acknowledging that there are issues for men in different areas, Warren admits that women have less socialization to take a career that pays more and therefore feel less financial security and consequently more obligated to marry for money. How many men do you see serving coffee in coffee shops, and how many women do you see working in assembly plants that pay at least twice as much?
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
And how many men do you insist on only dating women who earn more?
The part you're missing is that women STILL prefer higher-earning men. Men do not want to work higher-paying jobs because they like the job. Men work higher-paying jobs to impress and date women.
Men would gladly work an easier and lower paid cofee-shop job if they could get away with it.
You're completely ignoring the female part in that loop/cycle. Where women expect men to pay for everything, and work more.
MrAlekNovy 2 years ago
A true feminist would never expect a man to pay for everything or to work more. In fact, I have always taken care of the men I date, even though I do not earn a lot of money. It is all about respect and equal responsibility. Feminism is all about equality, and that means that I am no better than a man, and he is no better than me. We should work the same and share the cost of everything,
CatNov20 2 years ago
Another point, the huge criticism to Farrell is that money is equated with power. As much as I disagree that wealth should define success, (and by doing so feel I am in line with what Farrell promotes) we live in a capitalist society that dictates to us that wealth is success. Poverty is a huge definer of health, what power do you have when youre living in poverty?
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
Except, no one today lives in poverty.
The average "poor person" in for example the USA lives better than the average european.
There is almost no true poverty in western countries (hunger, homelessness etc)... There are actually more shelters than there are homeless in the western world (they refuse to be given shelter or a job).
Most "poor" people in western countries are people who can only afford a 20 inch tv instead of a 30 inch one :(
MrAlekNovy 2 years ago
there is no feminism these days.
maryquant1967 2 years ago
yea barley. :(
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
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IRON MY SHIRT, BITCH!
vastedda99 2 years ago
I love her. A beautiful , intelligent soul.
I heart feminists!
foofwolf22 2 years ago
isn't she in a retirement village by now and can she remember what a malcont whinning bitch she is
shazam20007 2 years ago
no you fool
sandroeleven 2 years ago
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Gloria Steinem: The most vile and disgusting hypocrite who ever walked the earth.
StinkyKnobcheese 2 years ago
how so?
EmpressJudge13 2 years ago
ok, this makes a little more sense considering the time period. Today it's the 21st century, women have MORE rights and advantages than men do.
quackhead45 2 years ago
really? REEALLLY? remind me, did they ever pass that equal pay bill? how many male-on-female rapes and sexual assaults occur in a day? HOW are women portrayed in the media? HOW prevalent are eating disorders among women?
I admit, I do have this exclusively female right to be treated as an "other". And a great advantage in a situation where i aim to be impregnated by rape. Be jealous?
BlueEyedHuron 2 years ago
She's got a sense of the vibe.
DigitalJediMaster 2 years ago
descrbed her as a "chick"
psuching her intelligence hahahahahahahhaa
shazam20007 2 years ago
feminists, l ike all forms of collectivists form their agendas around destroying individuals of a common group or attribute. In this case, their bigotry is formulated in destroying mankind.
professorfoxtrot 2 years ago
ummmm ooooook cafe - good luck !!
brebre1920 2 years ago
there u go fellas another male that proves my point! and another jackass defeated -by his own words! i love it who is next!! cafe its been ....fun -ny! u have made me laugh by proving my exact point --- all u know is how to curse (thinking somehow that it hurts me -this is beyond me) and u can not even decipher an intellectual message --- i mean why do u even try? u just embarrassed urself
brebre1920 2 years ago
Pasty faced "liberal"
hierostratus 2 years ago
i would consider gloria my hero . i find feminism a very important part of the political activism in the late 60s
DeadEndJustice13 2 years ago
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She's so full of hate but she thinks it's ok since she's on the left
sedicenobufalo 2 years ago
You are obviously very uneducated about her. She always took anti-man women on and was an advocate for equality, nothing more. Also she was a strong voice for civil rights.
Lfksx999 2 years ago
She was a key tool in our current road to androgyny. Who financed Ms. magazine?...Get over this image of some grassroot idealist who gave a shit about women....she has done more damage than you apparently can grasp!
zuesthelessor 2 years ago
(my reply to the guy who said Steinem said A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle)
eternalglamour 2 years ago
Don't women do themselves a disservice by employing so much time and energy on the task of "looking attractive"? I'm sure there are plenty of men who also spend an inordinate amount of time on their physical looks (and we all do it to some extent), but by and large it seems to me that women spend the most time and energy on their physical looks (e.g., manicures, pedicures, hair treatments, etc.). When so much effort is expended on these matters, how much is left for exercising their minds?
sifjure 2 years ago
Gloria is a trostkite tool who along with the likes of Sontag and Freidan duped western woman in victimization in order to ultimately destroy the family and the real feminine mystique. Family=bad, women lamenting the lost opportunity to have children and fullfil their true inherent nature =good!
zuesthelessor 2 years ago
Oh... please... you've bought the anti-feminist propaganda and are absolutely as wrong as you can be. The "true feminine mystique," in your eyes means biology is destiny, that you are not a full human being unless you utilize your uterus. That role was historically used to imprison women in what was called "the cult of true womanhood" in the 19th century. And for goodness sakes, at least spell Trotsky right !
bon1042 2 years ago
glad to see you can spell.....one of these days you may even begin to think for yourself. Look around society is in decay and women in particularly are lost. Feminism is an empty promise producing empty souls with empty lives.
zuesthelessor 2 years ago
One thing I know, I definitely think for myself. It's what led me to figure out why all the pain inside even as a young girl . I cldn't accept societal indoctrination that was hurting and humiliating so many girls & women. In your arrogance, don't think you can insult me and my intelligence. The current plight of human females in world, traffic in women is ancient, Still females as property. It's a slap in the face of feminism. Violence toward women is still accepted, now by younger males.
bon1042 2 years ago
I don't discount the plight of women through the years. There is no argument there. My discontent centers around women like Steinem, Freidan and Jung who were nothing more than communist props funded by the CIA and Frankfurt School apparatus. See the film Freedom to Fascism where Nick Rockafeller describes in detail to Aarron Russo as to how they created the womens movement. Their motives included getting women into the workforce and getting their children into daycare for early indoctrination.
zuesthelessor 2 years ago
That is total bulls**t sir. It is paranoid propaganda. It is paranoid nonsense. You know nothing about the second wave of the women's movement following on the 19th c movement which started in 1848 as result of a mtg in Seneca Falls NY. Freidan was a housewife, read It Changed My Life. Steinem is a Smith College graduate who worked w/J.K. Galbraith in Kennedy Adm. in 1962. You're totally nuts, out to lunch, off the planet. I don't know how else to put it. You're dangerous.
bon1042 2 years ago 2
The truth can be dangerous and someday when your older and grayer it may dawn on you. I've repelled down the rabbit hole many years ago only to discover that most of my reality was based in pure fiction as yours still is. If you actually did a little research you would find out just how truly dangerous these women are and what they have done to society. But then, the truth is not for all just those who seek it.
zuesthelessor 2 years ago
True. Equality and civil rights are truly dangerous to our society. The U.S. wansn't founded on the pincipals of equality of anything.
Lfksx999 2 years ago
Today's modern liberal believes in equality of outcome no matter the cost. Yesterdays liberal the pre 1960's believed in equality of opportunity. Big difference. Before the 60's you could fail and have to re assess your abilities and find your niche, today with equality of outcome if you fail it's not your fault it's everyone elses and therefore we have to bend the rules as to make the person who couldn't make it in that area make it no matter the cost to society in the long run.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
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A woman without a man is like a fish without a bicycle. -- Gloria Steinem. Very well, you women don't need any of us men nor do we you. We'll find our comfort in life in another pond where the people are a bit friendlier and not prone to denouncing us as women beaters. As far as pigs like steinem, she's from an ethnic group of the most pampered women on the face of planet earth!
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
Gloria Steinem didn't say that, ignorant. It was Irina Dunn. I honest to God wish you enraged anti-feminists did your homework before commenting with your conspiracy theories and crap like hat.
eternalglamour 2 years ago 3
crap like hat? Interesting. As if I care. In reading up on that she wasn't very bright as she got that from man needs god like a fish needs a bicycle. That of course proves feminists aren't very bright. No man can be expected to return a feminists toxic hatred of them with love. Feminists will only manage to do what they want to do in regards to men and that is to eventually make them hate you back.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
She didn't say that. Anyway dn't u believe that we men (Im a guy) are capable of survivng w/out women taking care of us? I do. Back then it was common belief that women men, that's not necesarily true 4 anyone. Steinem never denounced men as women beaters, other radicals did, and she hit them back for it. Do ur homework. I think a parter is an option don't u? It is for men, and that is accepted. So y shldnt it be accepted4 women? U r very ignorant to think tht wmn need men but men dnt need wmn.
Lfksx999 2 years ago
I find it funny that women will after denouncing men turn around and wonder why men aren't tripping all over themselves to marry them now. If the kitten never wanted me I don't want the cat. A lot of young women after the fun is over and reality hits them they find out they really do want a man or really do want the kind person who did things just because not because he was looking for something. Of course after all the BS that kind person is no more. Reason, the hint was taken, eventually.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago 2
men do the same thing...why judge?
brebre1920 2 years ago
Because men don't have the same level of clout in family court as a harridan like yourself would most certainly use. Even if it was really a case of being bored married to a guy and cheating on him due to that. A guy gets screwed any which way with an educated harridan, I really need to refine what I call american females as w-m-n doesn't describe it anymore. I think harridan does a good enough job. Thank you for your comment.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
oooo u said hag! but u disguised it into a silly word thinking u were tricking me!!! aww u so smart! and u sound soooooooo educated mister - can u say dada next??
complaining about men not having equality in court (because of what society full of men ordered to be so in the first place) and then saying its because women cheat and stuff (as opposed to most men who cheat? )makes u sound so much less idiotic now - i think moke is a much better word! yeah look it up.....and ur welcome!
brebre1920 2 years ago
I believe I called you a vicious female. The word harridan also means shrew or vicious female. You proved to me just what I said. As far as harridans getting better treatment in court. Of course you do you like it both ways, chilvalry should reign when it matters to you. Gender equality to a harridan is a one way street of only her and her alone. Now you can go along and play with the lesbians errr, feminists some more. Harridan.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
oh im sorry well there is something we call synonyms - sorry i thought u got to that english class - but thanks for proving my point! go play with ur lesbians! wow so original - does it not bother u that the only thing u males ever say to counter are lesbians, bitches,whores and the like? cant u come up with something different or at least original? or is that too hard? i thought u did not like feminists how come u now have ur own definition?im whippin ya ass with ur own words - its hysterical!
brebre1920 2 years ago
Funny, isn't it, how feminists have worked so hard for reproductive rights -- i.e. the right to birth control and abortion -- when they're all lesbians? Well, I guess that's female logic for ya!
ForcedBirther 2 years ago
Aw man, that sounds mean.
theboombody 2 years ago
i'm a feminist and i'm straight
aprilschone1 2 years ago 4
Feminists did not pioneer birth control in a science lab. Men did.
As for abortion, it's inequality (i.e. sexism).
Gogonostop 2 years ago
Huh?
ForcedBirther 2 years ago
Look up "Emmenagogue Herbs"
Yes thank you for synthetic pharmaceuticals that cause cancer, are now in our drinking water and being injested by all...
jetsundolma1 2 years ago
I find it funny that you think A) all women who fight for their rights aren't married or never will be, and B) that that somehow measures how worthy a woman's opinion is.
TheHappyFeminist 2 years ago
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A) I couldn't careless if a feminist womyn is happy or sad, she's irrelavant to me. B) since when is anything that comes out of a feminist broads mouth sane never mind worthy. C) take a nice big cup of shut the fucking fuck up and go bake some douchebag a potpie. It'll make you fell like a real woman.
cafelattefuture 2 years ago
@TheDopeyFeminazi-
I find it funny that you're a feminist.
puyen58 2 years ago
What would Jewish feminists think of the term "Feminazi" I wonder? Hmm...
TheHappyFeminist 2 years ago
@TheHappyFeminist
Maybe it would shock some sense into them. Perhaps that's what they need. When you're blinded by ideology, sometimes you need a shocking wake-up call to bring you back to the real world.
puyen58 2 years ago
Well said!
blupheonix44 2 years ago
ask gloria
uratrick 1 year ago
the feminist agenda we know today is the result of a desire by the super-rich to exploit society for their own profit. Yes women make a third less than men in the workplace thatb is the reason the super-rich wanted them working .... cheap labor like every other thing they have done to get cheap labor also isn't it a fact that 40 years after feminism the majority of women hate their jobs the way a majority of men have fo decades?
hoagyandslim 2 years ago
and my remarks go for you too, you guys are all in need of some serious therapy. Take your meds and go to bed.... forever.
bon1042 2 years ago
bon1042, I'm not sure if your remarks were directed at me, but if they were, then I must confess I am a little confused. I don't quite understand your advice to "take your meds and go to bed...forever." If you look carefully at my post, you'll find that I was actually criticizing the subtle ways by which women, in general, are encouraged to place more importance on their physical looks than, let's say, their intellectual faculties. Surely that's an abomination? In any case, I thank you.
sifjure 2 years ago
it's true(about women). a daily struggle for me
soursopsoup 2 years ago
I realize you are ignorant and brainwashed so I take your comments from where they come gloria steinem worked for the cia and she dated henry kissinger a mass murderer. everyone knows that does that not bother you?
hoagyandslim 2 years ago
U need to know ur history, she never dated Kissinger (a United States Secretary of State). That was a joke made to Kissinger by a Nixon administration official that some people took seriously. Kissinger and Steinem both made statements disavowing the rumors. What stupid rumors!
Lfksx999 2 years ago
she should tell us how big henry kissinger's pee-pee is funny how som many stupid people on here are unaware o fher cia connections
hoagyandslim 2 years ago
lol "A chick with a good sense of the vibrations"
castroherman 2 years ago
It's so startling to see how the interviewer treats her " a groovy chick" "a stunning woman" "don't you have to be stacked?" It's like he's so brainwashed by his macho reporter identity he can't even give an interview. She has so much grace in the situation.
shiningwanderer 3 years ago 5
I noticed the same thing -- it's hilarious how visibly put off she is, but she handles it well.
TheHappyFeminist 2 years ago
feminism has ruined the mind of so many women today. Abortion, no fault divorce, a now 50% divorce rate ever since 2nd wave feminism came into play during the 60s and 70s.
CreedChrist 3 years ago
what do you mean by that its helped women be stronger people i think feminism is a good thing so you think women should be useless housewives that is a sexist statement cause gloria was all about equality. divorce has nothing to do with feminism and maybe that women stood up for herself and its a womens right to have a child or not to have a child it affects a womans life you have no idea how feminism is actually a good thing i consider myself one actually
DeadEndJustice13 3 years ago
I believe that the self described "Professorfoxtrot" shall now be referred to as "pantload" please begin using this fitting name when speaking to himself in the further.
:D
willowbud 3 years ago
I shall refer to you as "turd blossom"
professorfoxtrot 3 years ago
Pantload ~ stop flirting with me :P
willowbud 3 years ago
writers. I don't comment often so i'm not sure how to post in order, so i'm sorry for how this is being read.
But i suggest the book Manifesta. It's a nice read for beginning feminists.
Prof., to claim that an establishment is legitimate if it perpetuates the discrimination held in its ruling members and laws, then one claims something more akin to fascism than feminism has suggested.
There are many kinds of feminisms. Some you'd like more than others. I am a male feminist. You don't know us.
Ghostgolem 3 years ago 2
There's another fallacy in assuming that being a 'male' is a virtue as though being a member of a group who subordinates the individual rights of those with whom you share some common attribute. Just as the blacks who were made 'honourary whites' in Kenya for oppressing individual black slaves, the male-feminist does not seek virtue, but power.
professorfoxtrot 3 years ago
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"male feminists" what a laugh. You do know that feminists don't trust you because you are male, right?
They won't even let the baby males attend their witch covens, let alone an adult male. You are a useful idiot to them. And you won't get a meaningful relationship with any of them. And if you do, you will be the female half of the relationship, that they will secretly hate because you have no spin, and will not stand up to your manWo wife.
Verlch 3 years ago
actually feminist dont hate men they just want equal rights and hate ignorant men and it makes you look like an idiot that ur a sexist man which makes you ignorant really someone who is sexist is not a strong person
DeadEndJustice13 3 years ago
"actually feminist dont hate men they just want equal rights"
Knock it off. Women own the judicial system and earn more than men for equal work.
luckyvet 3 years ago
FUCK YOU i mean feminist want equality and i mean you dont understand at all. whats so wrong with women in a judical system i find it quite okay and they might get more money cause there better workers so really you dont get it
DeadEndJustice13 3 years ago
Women enjoy special treatment within the judicial system by moronic chivalrous judges who fear the feminist backlash.
Any statement that women are better workers is absurd. Men & women both have their strengths / weaknesses, anything else is just tomfoolery.
luckyvet 3 years ago
what fear if women arent given rights men would wouldnt survive it takes women and men to have a socitey a women should work the buisnesses like men do and dont live inside gender steryotypes. and im saying maybe that some women were better in judical then some men so i guess thats why
DeadEndJustice13 3 years ago