Wish you all could have been along for the ride--thanks to two guys--and a radio station--who were a very special part of the 'boys' success there: Bill Hesterman of KNAK, and the late and great Bob Freed--GM of the Lagoon in Farmington, UT. Two super guys who made each trip to SLC very, very special.
Plas Johnson played the original Pink Panther theme! A neighbor of mine gigged with him also former Miles Davis keyboard man Cedric Lawson. I have a video of them playing in Arizona he gave me- Fc
Well in '65 groovy was ..,. Groovy One if my fav lines is. "and the way the kids talk so cool it's an outta sight thing yeah...and the number one radio station makes the town really swing... Yeah"
I've never been to Salt Lake but this song really paints a picture of a cool place to live or visit. Any time I hear about SLC this tune immediately plays in my head.
As a teen I heard Carol did Motown sessions. I know she was bad and later found out Glen Campbell got her to switch from jazz guitar. I knew who Jamerson was and always wanted to know who did sessions in the 60s. Carol hinted a lot of studios did not want to give her work because she was a woman and Motown didn't have that problem. In a BassPlayer feature she said Brian was the only one who wrote parts out note for note! Others actually played on the Beach Boys records more than her. why fuss?
@FCntertainr wrong on all counts. Carol is a close friend and what you have typed here is all wrong. Check out her web site and get the real story. GC did not get her to go to bass, most studios DID use her all the time) she did not have trouble getting work as a woman, few people played on more BB songs than Carol. sorry but the truth is out there.
@gemusic1 Carol was one of few women who played bass in studios , if you read what I wrote I said 'hinted'. Also in an article she did say GC got her into playing bass from guitar and I did not say she had trouble but even today I have read that some women have to show they can hit drums harder( when she started out) or one said another female artist gave her the first chance to play electric bass etc.A local bandleader did not hire me because I only had a soprano.That is because of closed minds
@FCntertainr Do not always believe what is written in articles in print or on the net - You'd be overwhelmed to hear Carol talk about all the wrong history out there, even produced 'under her name'. She always tells the same story - 1963 Capitol Records date - bass player not turning up, started playing Bass. It wasn't Glenn. Check out her site, it is musical history. Cheers
@FCntertainr Cool - but Bass player magazine is no better than most for printing wrong things. Take it from Carol, she has a great web site and tells it how it is (totally). I not only have had Bass lessons personally with her in the US but continue to do so on Skype and use her priceless bass AND GUITAR books. She is definately a great lady!
For people sufficiently interested in CK, some questions any fair-minded person can ask themselves. These are just Qs, so anyone giving this post a thumbs down or removing it would be opposed to people asking these Qs (hmmmmm).
Did JJ use a pick?
Is a pick audible on the Four Tops' "Eleanor Rigby"? Who may have played bass on it?
Same Qs, Stevie's "Respect"?
Same, mono mix of Four Tops' "Bernadette"?
Same, B. Holloway's "Just Look What You've Done"?
Those who have enough true interest in Motown, google "lost my athletic scholarship after participating in the civil rights sit-in". This is from that page about Frank Wilson (& note "regulars"): "The[...] musicians for [a particular late '65 Motown session] were pulled from the studio regulars that included Billy Strange, Glen Campbell, Hal Blaine, Al De Lory, Carol Kaye and Tommy Tedesco.[....] As far as it can be established the tapes were dispatched to Detroit [in] November 1965[....]"
Quote from Frank Wilson from that page, which says "Frank Wilson March 2009" near the top: "Gordy came out several times [to L.A....] [W]e were taking [him] to the airport[...] and he said, 'What makes you think you can produce?', I said, 'Because I've been producing much of the stuff that you've been hearing'. So he turned to Marc [Gordon] and Hal [Davis]. He said, 'Is that right?' And they said, 'Yes, that's right'." (Matches very well claims CK made to me JNS about 8 years ago)
More from that page re Motown producer (etc.) Frank Wilson and his peers (which don't include Slutsky, who never attended a '60s Motown session or met Jamerson or Benjamin): "When Berry Gordy decided to open a West Coast Motown office, following his visit there to attend a disc jockey convention in 1963, he asked L.A. veterans Hal Davis, and Marc Gordon to take charge." (Matches what CK's been saying publicly for years -- frequently resulting in scornful reactions from her energetic detractors)
More from that F. Wilson page you can find by googling "I lost my athletic scholarship after participating in the civil rights sit-in demonstrations": "During 1964-65 Frank [Wilson] saw an increasing number of his compositions being released[....] Frank[...] soon found himself[...] supervising recording sessions.[...] At some point in 1965 the decision was taken to launch Frank Wilson as a Motown artist in his own right[... recording in] Armin Steiner's 8 track Sound Recorders studio[....]"
Here is part of a 2/18/2002 (2:03 P.M.) post on the Soulful Detroit Forum: "[...] I'm Billy Wilson President of the Motown Alumni Association.[...] Carol did play on a few lesser know recordings at Motown . . . and I do mean LESSER KNOWN! [...] From 1964 to 1968 the company only used Jamerson." Note that that last sentence contradicts that Frank Wilson page, on which Andrew Rix describes Kaye as one of the "regulars" in L.A. as of '65. (cont.)
Note that Billy Wilson presents himself in the 2/18/2002 post as knowing who played bass on every 1964-1968 Motown recording. (!!!) Now check this out from the same post: "The Motown Alumni Associaton provides information and gives assistance to entities such as the Library Of Congress, the Smithsonian Institute, Motown/Universal Music Group [this is people like Harry Weinger] ,Rythum & Blues Foundation, Motown artists[...]" Should we be surprised there's a Kaye-is-a-liar myth?
Quote from Armin Steiner, Mix magazine interview with Maureen Droney, 2001; compare it to Frank Wilson who was there -- and then to Billy Wilson, and to the Kaye detractors' myths: "From that moment on, word started traveling. Motown got interested, and I was busy all the time. I had Glen Campbell, Billy Strange, Tommy Tedesco, Dennis Budamir, [...] Ray Pohlman[...]. Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, Joe Osborne, Larry Knecht[e]l[...]" (cont.)
"[...] Bill Pittman, Mike Deasy and, of course, Carol Kaye.[...] I used to have The Supremes up there, Marvin Gaye — my mother used to cook for them. Stevie Wonder was in when he was 9 years old. People think I'm making this stuff up, but it's true. As a matter of fact, I did a film session with Stevie awhile back, and he remembered both me and my studio. It was a different time, a different place. You couldn't do that kind of thing now, the city wouldn't allow it. I mean, it was all illegal."
Billy Wilson, president of the MAA, wrote to me yesterday: "Virtually all that [CK] has said is true[....]" I'm not sure what to think about the difference between that and what he wrote in 2002 (e.g. perhaps he's done quite a bit of research at some point during the last seven years?), but in fairness to him I'm mentioning it here.
According to CK the session players agreed to work for Motown in LA off the record so the company would not have to pay all the taxes and pension money. And since there is no official paperwork on those sessions it all comes down to who you believe. I know CK personally and have never known her to lie about anything regarding her musical career. Ask Carol a question and you will get the answer...it may not be what you want to hear but she always tells it like it is or was.
A fantastic insight of hearing Brian 'live' in the studio .. the viewer / listener feels like a fly on the wall. Great montage of photos, nice out-takes, and great horn section & bass emphasis. Helps us to better understand how this delightful song was constructed, piece by piece. We veteran BB & BW hard-core fanatics need more 'rarities' stuff like this up on the central BB & BW sites. Thanks for the excerpt, traderfiles !
you totally hit the nail on the head, capitol should release all the album sessions on the net, its a crime for it all to just be sitting in a vault!!
Great job.....great tune and excellent visuals, reminds us of what good music is about and the talent Brian has as an arranger and producer, thanks Traderfiles
Wish you all could have been along for the ride--thanks to two guys--and a radio station--who were a very special part of the 'boys' success there: Bill Hesterman of KNAK, and the late and great Bob Freed--GM of the Lagoon in Farmington, UT. Two super guys who made each trip to SLC very, very special.
thevoiceoftheBBs 2 weeks ago
@thevoiceoftheBBs And thanks to you all for giving us our city a cool theme song! :)
zxr92 1 week ago
It was so cool to see the Beach Boys reunited tonight!
Whateverintheworld 2 weeks ago
Plas Johnson played the original Pink Panther theme! A neighbor of mine gigged with him also former Miles Davis keyboard man Cedric Lawson. I have a video of them playing in Arizona he gave me- Fc
FCntertainr 2 weeks ago
I'm especially pleased with the list of musician that were on this track. I love knowing who played what and what the instrumentation was.
TheSom03 2 months ago
i never knew this song existed! Awesome! too bad there isn't a beach. Lagoon rocks though :)
dannerzme 4 months ago
Well in '65 groovy was ..,. Groovy One if my fav lines is. "and the way the kids talk so cool it's an outta sight thing yeah...and the number one radio station makes the town really swing... Yeah"
I've never been to Salt Lake but this song really paints a picture of a cool place to live or visit. Any time I hear about SLC this tune immediately plays in my head.
Mikebb5m 6 months ago
Have Mike Love ever wrote a lyric that not include the word: groovy?
ZwankyTanky 6 months ago
Love the piano in the middle that's not evident on the original LP version.
Jody07984 7 months ago
EXCELLENT tune from one of their best LPs. Seventeen stars!
Jody07984 7 months ago
I didnt know the Beach Boys were Mormons
Born2bRedeemed 9 months ago
SAALT LAKE CITIEE
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
jammmon 1 year ago
One of my fav early BB's songs. :-)
fasterthanbolt 2 years ago 2
As a teen I heard Carol did Motown sessions. I know she was bad and later found out Glen Campbell got her to switch from jazz guitar. I knew who Jamerson was and always wanted to know who did sessions in the 60s. Carol hinted a lot of studios did not want to give her work because she was a woman and Motown didn't have that problem. In a BassPlayer feature she said Brian was the only one who wrote parts out note for note! Others actually played on the Beach Boys records more than her. why fuss?
FCntertainr 2 years ago
@FCntertainr wrong on all counts. Carol is a close friend and what you have typed here is all wrong. Check out her web site and get the real story. GC did not get her to go to bass, most studios DID use her all the time) she did not have trouble getting work as a woman, few people played on more BB songs than Carol. sorry but the truth is out there.
gemusic1 3 weeks ago
@gemusic1 Carol was one of few women who played bass in studios , if you read what I wrote I said 'hinted'. Also in an article she did say GC got her into playing bass from guitar and I did not say she had trouble but even today I have read that some women have to show they can hit drums harder( when she started out) or one said another female artist gave her the first chance to play electric bass etc.A local bandleader did not hire me because I only had a soprano.That is because of closed minds
FCntertainr 2 weeks ago
@FCntertainr Do not always believe what is written in articles in print or on the net - You'd be overwhelmed to hear Carol talk about all the wrong history out there, even produced 'under her name'. She always tells the same story - 1963 Capitol Records date - bass player not turning up, started playing Bass. It wasn't Glenn. Check out her site, it is musical history. Cheers
gemusic1 2 weeks ago
@gemusic1 Gotcha! But I have it in bass Player mag! Only she is a great lady and I have a couple of her bass books and they are to the point! -Fc
FCntertainr 1 week ago
@FCntertainr Cool - but Bass player magazine is no better than most for printing wrong things. Take it from Carol, she has a great web site and tells it how it is (totally). I not only have had Bass lessons personally with her in the US but continue to do so on Skype and use her priceless bass AND GUITAR books. She is definately a great lady!
gemusic1 1 week ago
@gemusic Man I would love to talk to her on skype or anywhere else! I'll try to hit her up! Thanx and I understand about BP! -Fc
FCntertainr 1 week ago
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For people sufficiently interested in CK, some questions any fair-minded person can ask themselves. These are just Qs, so anyone giving this post a thumbs down or removing it would be opposed to people asking these Qs (hmmmmm).
Did JJ use a pick?
Is a pick audible on the Four Tops' "Eleanor Rigby"? Who may have played bass on it?
Same Qs, Stevie's "Respect"?
Same, mono mix of Four Tops' "Bernadette"?
Same, B. Holloway's "Just Look What You've Done"?
Where has BH said the last was recorded?
JosephNScott 2 years ago
Those who have enough true interest in Motown, google "lost my athletic scholarship after participating in the civil rights sit-in". This is from that page about Frank Wilson (& note "regulars"): "The[...] musicians for [a particular late '65 Motown session] were pulled from the studio regulars that included Billy Strange, Glen Campbell, Hal Blaine, Al De Lory, Carol Kaye and Tommy Tedesco.[....] As far as it can be established the tapes were dispatched to Detroit [in] November 1965[....]"
JosephNScott 2 years ago
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Quote from Frank Wilson from that page, which says "Frank Wilson March 2009" near the top: "Gordy came out several times [to L.A....] [W]e were taking [him] to the airport[...] and he said, 'What makes you think you can produce?', I said, 'Because I've been producing much of the stuff that you've been hearing'. So he turned to Marc [Gordon] and Hal [Davis]. He said, 'Is that right?' And they said, 'Yes, that's right'." (Matches very well claims CK made to me JNS about 8 years ago)
JosephNScott 2 years ago
More from that page re Motown producer (etc.) Frank Wilson and his peers (which don't include Slutsky, who never attended a '60s Motown session or met Jamerson or Benjamin): "When Berry Gordy decided to open a West Coast Motown office, following his visit there to attend a disc jockey convention in 1963, he asked L.A. veterans Hal Davis, and Marc Gordon to take charge." (Matches what CK's been saying publicly for years -- frequently resulting in scornful reactions from her energetic detractors)
JosephNScott 2 years ago
This has been flagged as spam show
More from that F. Wilson page you can find by googling "I lost my athletic scholarship after participating in the civil rights sit-in demonstrations": "During 1964-65 Frank [Wilson] saw an increasing number of his compositions being released[....] Frank[...] soon found himself[...] supervising recording sessions.[...] At some point in 1965 the decision was taken to launch Frank Wilson as a Motown artist in his own right[... recording in] Armin Steiner's 8 track Sound Recorders studio[....]"
JosephNScott 2 years ago
Here is part of a 2/18/2002 (2:03 P.M.) post on the Soulful Detroit Forum: "[...] I'm Billy Wilson President of the Motown Alumni Association.[...] Carol did play on a few lesser know recordings at Motown . . . and I do mean LESSER KNOWN! [...] From 1964 to 1968 the company only used Jamerson." Note that that last sentence contradicts that Frank Wilson page, on which Andrew Rix describes Kaye as one of the "regulars" in L.A. as of '65. (cont.)
JosephNScott 2 years ago
Note that Billy Wilson presents himself in the 2/18/2002 post as knowing who played bass on every 1964-1968 Motown recording. (!!!) Now check this out from the same post: "The Motown Alumni Associaton provides information and gives assistance to entities such as the Library Of Congress, the Smithsonian Institute, Motown/Universal Music Group [this is people like Harry Weinger] ,Rythum & Blues Foundation, Motown artists[...]" Should we be surprised there's a Kaye-is-a-liar myth?
JosephNScott 2 years ago
Quote from Armin Steiner, Mix magazine interview with Maureen Droney, 2001; compare it to Frank Wilson who was there -- and then to Billy Wilson, and to the Kaye detractors' myths: "From that moment on, word started traveling. Motown got interested, and I was busy all the time. I had Glen Campbell, Billy Strange, Tommy Tedesco, Dennis Budamir, [...] Ray Pohlman[...]. Hal Blaine, Earl Palmer, Joe Osborne, Larry Knecht[e]l[...]" (cont.)
JosephNScott 2 years ago
"[...] Bill Pittman, Mike Deasy and, of course, Carol Kaye.[...] I used to have The Supremes up there, Marvin Gaye — my mother used to cook for them. Stevie Wonder was in when he was 9 years old. People think I'm making this stuff up, but it's true. As a matter of fact, I did a film session with Stevie awhile back, and he remembered both me and my studio. It was a different time, a different place. You couldn't do that kind of thing now, the city wouldn't allow it. I mean, it was all illegal."
JosephNScott 2 years ago
Dennis budamur played guitar on a ravi shankar soundtrack pather panchicali .
spacepatrolman 2 years ago
Billy Wilson, president of the MAA, wrote to me yesterday: "Virtually all that [CK] has said is true[....]" I'm not sure what to think about the difference between that and what he wrote in 2002 (e.g. perhaps he's done quite a bit of research at some point during the last seven years?), but in fairness to him I'm mentioning it here.
JosephNScott 2 years ago
According to CK the session players agreed to work for Motown in LA off the record so the company would not have to pay all the taxes and pension money. And since there is no official paperwork on those sessions it all comes down to who you believe. I know CK personally and have never known her to lie about anything regarding her musical career. Ask Carol a question and you will get the answer...it may not be what you want to hear but she always tells it like it is or was.
Rockman59 2 years ago
I was a teenager in SLC when this song came out. They played it on the radio constantly.
viewcritic48 2 years ago
The bass line in this song is incredible. Way to go Carol Kaye!
Stephanjnj 2 years ago 2
The instrumental track can be found on Stack-O-Tracks, although this is the first time I've heard this particular version.
58HUSTLER 3 years ago
SLC is the best in west
gendulgepeng 3 years ago 8
nice!
threedognightrocks 3 years ago
we'll be coming soon!!!!
drunkondiesel 3 years ago
Salt Lake City, baby! My hometown!
ContagiousTrev 3 years ago 4
Magic...
and those chicks.
jctoronto
jctorontojctoronto 3 years ago
A fantastic insight of hearing Brian 'live' in the studio .. the viewer / listener feels like a fly on the wall. Great montage of photos, nice out-takes, and great horn section & bass emphasis. Helps us to better understand how this delightful song was constructed, piece by piece. We veteran BB & BW hard-core fanatics need more 'rarities' stuff like this up on the central BB & BW sites. Thanks for the excerpt, traderfiles !
colindominy 3 years ago 3
you totally hit the nail on the head, capitol should release all the album sessions on the net, its a crime for it all to just be sitting in a vault!!
daveqc1986 3 years ago 3
Great job.....great tune and excellent visuals, reminds us of what good music is about and the talent Brian has as an arranger and producer, thanks Traderfiles
metrofurs 3 years ago 5
Very observant metrofurs. Thanks!
traderfiles 3 years ago
this is great. thank you for posting it. john
jhrunion 3 years ago
Now your cookin' (thumbs up) (:
DaddyBog 3 years ago
Alright!
traderfiles 3 years ago
Great photos to accompany what I forgot is a pretty cool tune. The photos really tell the story. Nice work...
bikenik 3 years ago 2
Thanks!
traderfiles 3 years ago