The line that shows Brtleby's fall for me is this: "Scion or not, she's just a human." He says the word human the same way we do Insect. As he said, he "rebelled" initially out of sympathy due to how vicious Old Testament God was, now he's taken the 180 and his bitterness has overcome him. Given the situation I can't say I don't sympathize, but what he plans to do results in Omnicide if there is such a term. Humans can, and do, suck; but we've never considered ending everything.
Loki: "You do, you sound like fucking Lucifer, you fucking lost it! You're not talking about going home Bartleby, you're talking about WAR ON GOD! Well fuck that. I have seen what happens to the proud, when they take on the throne. I'm going back to Wisconsin."
Bartleby: "WE'RE GOING HOME LOKI! AND NO ONE ... Not you, not even the almighty himself, is going to make that otherwise."
@TableKMusicVideos I never noticed the Seraph line until you quoted it here. That adds just another awesome level to the scene and Kevin Smith's writing.
Yeah lol I've seen the movie so much I was bound to pick up on things and quotes and such, and I'm sure like everyone there's still things I missed lmao. I love the scene and Kevin's writing is phenomenal!
for the past 6000 years, humankind has been on a path to bring about its very own extinction, and we've been here to help prevent it every fucking time. We never asked for much in return, not to be worshipped, not to be your masters.... just to be acknowledged and loved like you are! AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT! In 2012 I say 'let it fucking happen!' :p
@lind685 It's all mythology anyway so I think Kevin is a highly imaginative spiritual person who has no sense of dogma. The moment you take your faith seriously is when angels start finding loopholes to get back into heaven.
I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ. I believe, because of what I've experience in life.knowing that there has to be a great divine power. That case's me to considered and try to walk upright threw out the days of my life. For we walk by faith and not by sight. We believe but Angels have seen. This movie helps me see things for what we are at times as people.
@lind685 I cannot help but agree. for all its dark humor and crude jokes, i can't help but feel this movie shows an accurate view on an angelic perspective, especially in this secene
What choice do we really have when the penalty for ignoring God is Hell? The prospect of an inescapable, eternal punishment negates the idea that we truly have free will.
How can free will be truly free when God places conditions on it. I'd class him as something of a benevolent tyrant with moments of psychotic anger. And tyrants don't let their people enjoy too much freedom.
At 2:58, does Bartleby say, "You shut your F*****N mouth, sir?" Couldn't make out the last word, but after seeing Kevin's Q&A's, and noticing his love of the term 'sir', wondered if that's the case.
Such a powerful scene, and it's films like this along with other Kevin Smith films that prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ben Affleck is indeed a good actor.
"And some of them don't even believe he exists." The disgust and amazement in Bartleby's voice when he says that. He has a point though. Talk about ungrateful.
Great job by both actors but Matt damon stole this scene. "You sound like the morning star, you do you sound LUCIFER man youve fucking lost it" awesome line.
Bartleby is awesome. He is a Watcher. They weren't that bad. They actually fought on God's side against Lucifer. They fell later on just because they got horney for human women.
Superb scene, by the end of the film I felt terrible for Bartleby. He really did go postal and all because his idealised version of humanity didn't match up to the reality of what selfish pricks we can all be.
The Watcher watched for far too long and just didn't like what he saw. It's tragic.
The echo and the music (when it arrives) in this scene give it extra epicness.
The Christian right were wrong to protest this movie. They should have been praising it, and recommending every Christian sees it. Sure, it contains poo jokes and drug references, but it also contains scenes affirming belief and praising the idea of a Divine Being. Smith made a movie that celebrates his Catholic faith, but also tasks people to question it when necessary... guess that's why they hated it.
I think what makes this scene extra epic is when Loki starts saying "I've heard a rant like this before... you sound like Lucifer man!" you realise that these two were actually present when Lucifier ranted against God and was cast down from Heaven. "I have seen what happens to the proud when they take on the throne." That is the ultimate in Epic.
KILL ME...fuckers i dnt know what ur talking aboyut!!!BUT I WILL REVENGE MY FATHERS NAME???JEHOVAH!!!!U DONT KNOW BOUT HIM !!!BLIND AND DEFTS THATS ALL YHOUY ARE!!!!HAHAHA.....KILL ME BUT MY SONGS LIVE....
"I've see what happens to the proud when they take on the throne." I get chills every time I watch this scene. And Ben Affleck's speech about the unfair nature of the relationship between God and angels, and God and humans, is very powerful stuff. By the way, has anyone seen The Prophecy, where Christopher Walken's Gabriel has a very similar problem with us "talking monkeys".
"You're not talking about going home Bartleby, You're talking about fucking war on God! Well fuck that! I have seen what happens to the proud, when they take on the throne." Awesome scene.
I love it when Loki says "I've heard a rant like this before" and the music starts, the music that raises the hair on your neck... this is a perfect scene that captures the epicness of what Bartleby is saying... "You sound like Lucifer man!" Kevin Smith knows his Bible back to front, and made a film that affirmed his beliefs and is actually a pro-religion movie. If the Christian right protestors had ever bothered to watch it they may have understood that.
@aussiejed1 that scene and the deleted Azriel scene where he describes hell made so much sense, that it quite literally scared the shit out of me. I honestly wouldnt say im a Jesus freak, but i have faith (im Catholic) and these two scenes have never left my memory-and i dont think they ever will.
@PetShopMod Yeah, and you know what I like? They hardly mention the devil at all. Like maybe twice in the whole movie, as if he is just simply too dark and frightening to even mention. That to me is the most terrifying part about it.
You know if Bartleby was just a watcher then there should have been no way he could have taken on Loki, the Angel of Death, in a fight. So if Loki really wanted to go back he should have.
@Midnighttree This is true a grigori such as Bartleby would not be able to stand against a seraphim but Loki would never wish to fight one he thinks of as his brother. It's not til the end when he realsies what will happen that he finall decides to stand up to Bartleby. But by then he is human and bartlebey is still an angel so he gets killed. Loki has a bizarre but strict code of ethics that would not allow him to fight Bartleby until he becomes human and gets a conscience.
I love the look in Bartleby's eyes when Loki accuses him of wanting war against God. Its perfect. A mixture of evil, arrogance and maybe even realization. Kills me...
@AngelWolf12 that whole idea just floored me when I first saw it. I mean, this is the point where our tragic anti-hero transforms into a true demon...
@Lamporre Before they called him "satan" he was the Morning Star. Satan is his new testament name. in his original incarnation, he was Lucifer, the light-bearer, the first and brightest star in the morning sky, and the most beautiful of God's angels. So "Morning Star" isn't the nickname, "Satan" is.
Epic....one of my favorite speeches in movie history, this two were perfect for the roles...this film walked a fine line and walked it well...makes you question but makes you believe aswell...a truly excellent film :)
This was about one of the very few plot holes of the film. Why does Loki go on anyway if he was against going to the Church? Just because Bartleby says so? And what if he doesn't? What's Bartleby gonna do about it? Aside from that, this movie was epic.
@multipurpose101 its not really a plot hole, I think Loki cared for Bartleby and went anyway, besides he kind of has a habit of following whatever Bartleby says anyway.
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@MagicalMysteryWhore SAY , "I LOVE THE DEVIL." IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE. SAY, "I HATE GOD." IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE. I ALSO BY SOULS FOR $25.00 IF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO ME. JUST ASKING FOR YOUR BELIEF.
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@MagicalMysteryWhore THATS BECAUSE THE DEVIL'S GREATEST TRICK IS TO MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVE THAT HEAVEN AND HELL DOSE NOT EXIST. YOU MIGHT NOT BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL, BUT HE BELIEVES IN YOU. LOVE EL DIABLO
nostalgia. for the first 15 years of my life i was a devoted Catholic. it was 100% real to me. no one on this earth could've changed my mind. it was a beautiful yet terrifying situation. i know what it feels like to TRULY believe and stuff like this just takes me back to all the guilt, fear, and love i felt as a Christian during that time.
@esrapk It's also stated by Rufus that 'she' is not really anything. Not male or female... so him and her are both wrong... but I suppose it would be awkward to refer to God as 'it'...
@FaithLestrange Of course it would be awkward, but for us, not "it" or him/her, however you want to put it. We like to say him just so we feel's a lot more comfortable in the language presented. Imagine if everywhere we went and all those him's in the Bible were it's. It'd be far too broad, and it feels like there's way less of a connection between us and him. Heh, that's how I think of it anyway.
@JimmySteller A good actor always does well when he has good material and a good director but no matter how good an actor is, he'll suck if given bad material and poor directing.
You know i've been reading some of the arguments on here and I think rufus was right in the movie. I think it would be better if we threw out are belifes and just had ideas instead. It's just like rufus said you can change an idea but changing a belife is trickier. I mean truth be told that is how 9-11 got started with osama bin ladens belife that we are evil.
Affleck gives a great performance here but somehow my favorite line still is when Damon says "I have seen what happens to the proud when they take on the Throne." Very cool.
Love this scene. Dogma has been my favorite movie for years. Whatever you believe in, seeing this film with an open mind gives you so many interesting perspectives. Ben Affleck is great in this monologue and I love that The Voice is played by Alan Rickman. Shame that this film is seen as just a comedy by many. There's so much more to it than that.
"He gave them more than he ever gave us. He gave them a choice."
- after seeing this film at least 50 times that quote still gives me chills.
@camilocuesta I'd love to reply to this with many thoughts, but the way you state your opinion - it's like you're sure you know the truth, and I have a hard time discussing these kinda things with people who already know they're right. Secondly, youtube doesn't seem like the type of forum to get into religious discussions in. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, though.
I adore this movie, especially this scen! soo passionated acting. i'm watching this scene every day, since 4 month! (yes, I'm a freakI) it's part of my daily routine. And it never loses its power.
I know its just a movie but everything he said makes alot of sense especially the part about people even dont think that he's real just because they cant see him
@SpecialFester It shouldn't be bizzare. They worked a lot with Smith before they got famous. They kinda owe him and that's why they appear in most of Kevin's View Askewniverse. It was actually Kevin Smith who even brought the Good Will Hunting script to miramax which launched their hollywood career.
i was thinking that too about the reverb, its almost like the voices sounded like they were in your head lol probably sounds a bit nuts, and i am quite stoned now so i could have been trippin' . but anyway, im converting this video to mp3 so i can use it as a long intro to one of my hip hop beats. i think it will sound epic! i think the my own muse (being ganja) just helped me think of this idea lol.
My favorite line in this whole thing actually is the "I have seen what happens to the proud when they take on The Throne." This is actually a really good dramatic scene in my opinion.
@danielhiryu Unfortunately that the world we are in.. because when you play with Religon.. You are playing with someone faith. Although many just shrug it off, some totally just get mad.
YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH!
<3
FaLcoNeYudu 1 week ago
The line that shows Brtleby's fall for me is this: "Scion or not, she's just a human." He says the word human the same way we do Insect. As he said, he "rebelled" initially out of sympathy due to how vicious Old Testament God was, now he's taken the 180 and his bitterness has overcome him. Given the situation I can't say I don't sympathize, but what he plans to do results in Omnicide if there is such a term. Humans can, and do, suck; but we've never considered ending everything.
DragonmanX90 1 month ago
I've never noticed this before, but check out both of their shirt-hoodie combo!
ThePoonerBooner 1 month ago
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Lol I know right, I've always loved their Red-Grey counter combo they rock with each other in this.
TableKMusicVideos 2 weeks ago
Loki: "You sound like the morning star."
Bartleby: "You shut YOUR FUCKING MOUTH SERAPH!"
Loki: "You do, you sound like fucking Lucifer, you fucking lost it! You're not talking about going home Bartleby, you're talking about WAR ON GOD! Well fuck that. I have seen what happens to the proud, when they take on the throne. I'm going back to Wisconsin."
Bartleby: "WE'RE GOING HOME LOKI! AND NO ONE ... Not you, not even the almighty himself, is going to make that otherwise."
TableKMusicVideos 1 month ago 2
@TableKMusicVideos I never noticed the Seraph line until you quoted it here. That adds just another awesome level to the scene and Kevin Smith's writing.
aussiejed1 2 weeks ago
@aussiejed1
Yeah lol I've seen the movie so much I was bound to pick up on things and quotes and such, and I'm sure like everyone there's still things I missed lmao. I love the scene and Kevin's writing is phenomenal!
TableKMusicVideos 2 weeks ago
for the past 6000 years, humankind has been on a path to bring about its very own extinction, and we've been here to help prevent it every fucking time. We never asked for much in return, not to be worshipped, not to be your masters.... just to be acknowledged and loved like you are! AND YOU COULDN'T EVEN DO THAT! In 2012 I say 'let it fucking happen!' :p
MrShirlz00 1 month ago
This scene was so damn epic.
ThaColumbusKid 1 month ago
Great movie. Only one thing missing..the devil. Humans, apostles, angels, demons.. even god herself showed up..gotta dig that:)
nightowlwerewolf 1 month ago
its the catholism...
mtsionlives 1 month ago
I've always love this scene
TuxedoKnox 2 months ago
YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH, SERAPH!
trezn0r 2 months ago
i agree with bartleby. humans suck and are ungrateful greedy locusts who need to be ''taught a lesson''
Da1337Man 3 months ago
@Da1337Man hold on to ya fucking seat pal! ;D
MrShirlz00 1 month ago
@ U can sense a sexual tension between those two? They're close because they are Angels like brothers, nothing more nothing less.
lind685 4 months ago
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Or its because Matt and Ben are extremely close friends and have worked closely together many times.
TableKMusicVideos 1 month ago
I love how the acoustics and reverb makes it sounds like you're in a church cathedral.
tbmuex 4 months ago
Can sense the sexual tention between those two
Danielice92percent 4 months ago
Great actors if i ever have to perform a scene it would be this!
abisivepoo 5 months ago
This whole scene was levels of amazing that I can't even express in words.
franinconverse 5 months ago
Best scene in the movie. What great actors. Truly inspirational. "You're talking about fucking war on GOD". Amazing.
stewardo 7 months ago
Satan told Eve before she at the apple surely you will not die but "YOUR EYES WILL BE OPEN AS GOD" that's why he said his eyes are open.
lind685 7 months ago
@lind685 It's all mythology anyway so I think Kevin is a highly imaginative spiritual person who has no sense of dogma. The moment you take your faith seriously is when angels start finding loopholes to get back into heaven.
Water4Jeremiah 7 months ago
I'm a firm believer in Jesus Christ. I believe, because of what I've experience in life.knowing that there has to be a great divine power. That case's me to considered and try to walk upright threw out the days of my life. For we walk by faith and not by sight. We believe but Angels have seen. This movie helps me see things for what we are at times as people.
lind685 7 months ago
@lind685 I cannot help but agree. for all its dark humor and crude jokes, i can't help but feel this movie shows an accurate view on an angelic perspective, especially in this secene
stomyn 6 months ago
"I'm going back to Wisconsin." Those words are bone chilling. That is like North America's Hell.
destructingparabola 7 months ago 4
What choice do we really have when the penalty for ignoring God is Hell? The prospect of an inescapable, eternal punishment negates the idea that we truly have free will.
How can free will be truly free when God places conditions on it. I'd class him as something of a benevolent tyrant with moments of psychotic anger. And tyrants don't let their people enjoy too much freedom.
louthegiantcookie 8 months ago
At 2:58, does Bartleby say, "You shut your F*****N mouth, sir?" Couldn't make out the last word, but after seeing Kevin's Q&A's, and noticing his love of the term 'sir', wondered if that's the case.
MrFnClean 8 months ago
@MrFnClean I just caught that too. I think he calls him "seraph."
innosaint66 8 months ago
This scene makes me question why ppl say Ben afflek is a shit actor?
Dipsetinstrum 8 months ago
" and what about J and Bob I mean those guys were alright" haha love that line
Mluna792 9 months ago
This is brilliant, i might do it for my english exam.
abisivepoo 9 months ago
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I think it's a great movie, even tho i detest religion.
HeinrichVonOetker 9 months ago
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Going to quote a previous comment."Fucking best scene ever. Awesome film and criminially underrated!!." - Exactly.
LedRaven1 9 months ago
Such a powerful scene, and it's films like this along with other Kevin Smith films that prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that Ben Affleck is indeed a good actor.
Blackcrow521 9 months ago
I understand why the two were thrown out of Heaven permanently. They knew perfection. there is no excuse. At least they weren't cast into Hell.
redshieldshatterer 10 months ago
@redshieldshatterer It was worse...they were sent to Wisconsin! lol
tew8197 8 months ago
@tew8197 oh shit that's right. Boy, did they screw up
redshieldshatterer 8 months ago
"And some of them don't even believe he exists." The disgust and amazement in Bartleby's voice when he says that. He has a point though. Talk about ungrateful.
redshieldshatterer 10 months ago 12
Great job by both actors but Matt damon stole this scene. "You sound like the morning star, you do you sound LUCIFER man youve fucking lost it" awesome line.
kangal8 10 months ago 2
Bartleby is awesome. He is a Watcher. They weren't that bad. They actually fought on God's side against Lucifer. They fell later on just because they got horney for human women.
destructingparabola 10 months ago
@destructingparabola far from the case,even if it was they're angels so they have no sex organs lol.
MrSFblack 3 months ago
Superb scene, by the end of the film I felt terrible for Bartleby. He really did go postal and all because his idealised version of humanity didn't match up to the reality of what selfish pricks we can all be.
The Watcher watched for far too long and just didn't like what he saw. It's tragic.
louthegiantcookie 10 months ago
Fucking best scene ever. Awesome film and criminially underrated!!.
beaufort316 11 months ago
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YOU SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH, SERAPH!
trezn0r 11 months ago
right here, Kevin Smith's strength
w7100 1 year ago
Reason at it's best!! Go Bartleby!!
ionthegravity 1 year ago
ya the last Scion( decendent) like the car ( scion) a decendant
bosinn 1 year ago
@Osirisrisehorus those r just 2 of the names for him metisophilese is another( ya think I spelled that name wrong)
bosinn 1 year ago
"your talking about the last Scion, for Christ sakes!" lol @ blasphemy.
Tkieron 1 year ago
The echo and the music (when it arrives) in this scene give it extra epicness.
The Christian right were wrong to protest this movie. They should have been praising it, and recommending every Christian sees it. Sure, it contains poo jokes and drug references, but it also contains scenes affirming belief and praising the idea of a Divine Being. Smith made a movie that celebrates his Catholic faith, but also tasks people to question it when necessary... guess that's why they hated it.
aussiejed1 1 year ago
"I've seen what happens to the proud when they take on the throne." -one of the most epic lines ever
ajpoopieschitz 1 year ago 2
"and what about jay and bob, I mean those guys where alright!"
999grime 1 year ago
War on God Gives me the Chills
SSJSasuke777 1 year ago 3
@SSJSasuke777 Ditto
ginners2002 1 year ago
I think what makes this scene extra epic is when Loki starts saying "I've heard a rant like this before... you sound like Lucifer man!" you realise that these two were actually present when Lucifier ranted against God and was cast down from Heaven. "I have seen what happens to the proud when they take on the throne." That is the ultimate in Epic.
aussiejed1 1 year ago 29
I don't know what it is, but this is like one of my favorite scenes of this movie!
KitsuneNights 1 year ago
KILL ME...fuckers i dnt know what ur talking aboyut!!!BUT I WILL REVENGE MY FATHERS NAME???JEHOVAH!!!!U DONT KNOW BOUT HIM !!!BLIND AND DEFTS THATS ALL YHOUY ARE!!!!HAHAHA.....KILL ME BUT MY SONGS LIVE....
MrH20rybon 1 year ago
KILL ME
MrH20rybon 1 year ago
WEVE4 BEEN TROUGH THIDS!!!!!YES WE ARE...THEY BWILL NEVER KILL ME...IM IN EVERY SONG
MrH20rybon 1 year ago
"I've see what happens to the proud when they take on the throne." I get chills every time I watch this scene. And Ben Affleck's speech about the unfair nature of the relationship between God and angels, and God and humans, is very powerful stuff. By the way, has anyone seen The Prophecy, where Christopher Walken's Gabriel has a very similar problem with us "talking monkeys".
necros20091 1 year ago 5
1:20 - 1:45 actually spoke to me. No current films really do that for me anymore. For a comedy movie, this had a great story.
SCarsonSOAD 1 year ago
this scene is made ten times better because of the echo in the parking garage
Sam07HKS 1 year ago
"You're talking baout fucking war on God. Well fuck that. I have seen what happens to the pround when they take on the throne."
Best line in cinematic history
sleazysnowman1987 1 year ago 16
@sleazysnowman1987 yes and it stays true :P
moa373 1 year ago
@sleazysnowman1987 - The icing on the cake though, was "Fuck that. I'm going back to Wisconsin."
deliconker 1 year ago
this film is just epic ...what happend with the time were films were art ...today films are just there to earn money -.-
NeroStyle13 1 year ago
does anyone else get a kind of West End/Broadway feel from this scene.
jinofthethunder 1 year ago
One of my fav scenes from one of my fav movies, ty for the upload.
chimpolives4ever 1 year ago
Kevin Smith's best work.
pyrogyra72 1 year ago
"You're not talking about going home Bartleby, You're talking about fucking war on God! Well fuck that! I have seen what happens to the proud, when they take on the throne." Awesome scene.
KuzinAvi 1 year ago
I love it when Loki says "I've heard a rant like this before" and the music starts, the music that raises the hair on your neck... this is a perfect scene that captures the epicness of what Bartleby is saying... "You sound like Lucifer man!" Kevin Smith knows his Bible back to front, and made a film that affirmed his beliefs and is actually a pro-religion movie. If the Christian right protestors had ever bothered to watch it they may have understood that.
aussiejed1 1 year ago 5
@aussiejed1 that scene and the deleted Azriel scene where he describes hell made so much sense, that it quite literally scared the shit out of me. I honestly wouldnt say im a Jesus freak, but i have faith (im Catholic) and these two scenes have never left my memory-and i dont think they ever will.
PetShopMod 1 year ago 2
@PetShopMod Yeah, and you know what I like? They hardly mention the devil at all. Like maybe twice in the whole movie, as if he is just simply too dark and frightening to even mention. That to me is the most terrifying part about it.
Sei1863 1 year ago 3
You know if Bartleby was just a watcher then there should have been no way he could have taken on Loki, the Angel of Death, in a fight. So if Loki really wanted to go back he should have.
Midnighttree 1 year ago
@Midnighttree This is true a grigori such as Bartleby would not be able to stand against a seraphim but Loki would never wish to fight one he thinks of as his brother. It's not til the end when he realsies what will happen that he finall decides to stand up to Bartleby. But by then he is human and bartlebey is still an angel so he gets killed. Loki has a bizarre but strict code of ethics that would not allow him to fight Bartleby until he becomes human and gets a conscience.
sleazysnowman1987 1 year ago
I wonder who would have played Lucifer....
GarakTheTailor 1 year ago
@GarakTheTailor Bill Cosby
Dwill187 1 year ago
This is the best scene in Dogma in my opinion, it's one of my favorite movies, one of those movies I could watch over and over.
MrMario2011 1 year ago
I love the look in Bartleby's eyes when Loki accuses him of wanting war against God. Its perfect. A mixture of evil, arrogance and maybe even realization. Kills me...
AngelWolf12 1 year ago 6
@AngelWolf12 Reason at its' best.
ionthegravity 1 year ago
One of Ben Affleck's best moments in film.
Lamporre 1 year ago
My favourite scene of the movie... Affleck is electrifying and real
stewardo 1 year ago
"i have seen what happens to the proud when they take on the thrown"
sjmoney102183 1 year ago 34
@sjmoney102183 amen :)
rapperbest131 1 year ago
@sjmoney102183 I love what you did there with 'thrown'......lmao
OsirisRiseHorus 1 year ago
@sjmoney102183 you miss=spelled Throne but yes good catch!
CrimesonWitcher 1 year ago
@sjmoney102183 throne *sp
cn3z 8 months ago
@sjmoney102183 "Yea, they get THROWN down!" LMAO :D
redeemer61190 8 months ago
'' your not talking about going home, your talking about fucking war on GOD ''
Amazing
DarkHokLotus 1 year ago 6
I loved this movie when I was Christian :)
PriestChristopher 1 year ago
@PriestChristopher I love it and still am a Christian! :)
BobT3hHobo 1 year ago
"You sound like the Morning Star." That line always sends shivers down my spine. He just says is so...darkly.
AngelWolf12 1 year ago 79
@AngelWolf12 that whole idea just floored me when I first saw it. I mean, this is the point where our tragic anti-hero transforms into a true demon...
BobT3hHobo 1 year ago
@AngelWolf12 I completely agree, following with the line about Lucifer. Great actors
stewardo 1 year ago
@AngelWolf12
Man, whoever decided to give Satan such a sweet-sounding yet threatening nickname as "The Morningstar" was a genius.
Lamporre 1 year ago
@Lamporre
actually its pronounced "mourning star"
electrolyteKaosiz 1 year ago
@electrolyteKaosiz *Morning Star
srry to say.
moa373 1 year ago
@Lamporre Before they called him "satan" he was the Morning Star. Satan is his new testament name. in his original incarnation, he was Lucifer, the light-bearer, the first and brightest star in the morning sky, and the most beautiful of God's angels. So "Morning Star" isn't the nickname, "Satan" is.
Sei1863 1 year ago
@Sei1863 Umm, there's a difference between Lucifer and Satan...
OsirisRiseHorus 1 year ago
@OsirisRiseHorus You don't know what you're talking about.
Sei1863 1 year ago
@Lamporre I'm sure early Christians ripped it off of some earlier religion just like the rest of it
ionthegravity 1 year ago
@AngelWolf12 Thought it was only me. Chills me too.
rapperbest131 1 year ago
@AngelWolf12 thought it was just me
rapperbest131 1 year ago
@AngelWolf12 amen
rapperbest131 1 year ago
@AngelWolf12 Yeah me too
Gab32421 1 year ago
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tylerdude1982 1 year ago
" i have seen what happans to proud when they take on the throne!!!!!!!!!"
epic line!!!
erezlev 1 year ago
funny movie, the angels derseve some worship 4 all their hardwork, maybe they wouldn't b so pissed off. lol
Wolfsbane909 1 year ago
one of us might need a nap lol
briancristopher 1 year ago
wtf magic world cup button
InfinatePunctuation 1 year ago
Epic....one of my favorite speeches in movie history, this two were perfect for the roles...this film walked a fine line and walked it well...makes you question but makes you believe aswell...a truly excellent film :)
theincredablehunk 1 year ago
hahaha "i've heard a rant like this before" " you sound like the morning star"
layah2sexc 1 year ago 2
If Kevin Smith wrote the Bible... what awesome that would be.
I'd believe again.
danielhiryu 1 year ago 3
This was about one of the very few plot holes of the film. Why does Loki go on anyway if he was against going to the Church? Just because Bartleby says so? And what if he doesn't? What's Bartleby gonna do about it? Aside from that, this movie was epic.
multipurpose101 1 year ago
@multipurpose101 its not really a plot hole, I think Loki cared for Bartleby and went anyway, besides he kind of has a habit of following whatever Bartleby says anyway.
jinofthethunder 1 year ago
@jinofthethunder hmmm...makes a little more sense now...thanks i guess
multipurpose101 1 year ago
this is the way supernatural seasons 3&4 should have been
halfbreed1426 1 year ago
"You ok man? Your eye's are kind of..."
I'm sure the word he would have said was Crazed
cfar 1 year ago
the echo really helps this already awesome speech
mmafighter7991 1 year ago
"I've heard a rant like this before"
dang, yall. im athesit and this shit gave me chills as if it were real.
MagicalMysteryWhore 1 year ago 5
@MagicalMysteryWhore *atheist
MagicalMysteryWhore 1 year ago
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@MagicalMysteryWhore SAY , "I LOVE THE DEVIL." IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE. SAY, "I HATE GOD." IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE. I ALSO BY SOULS FOR $25.00 IF YOU WANT TO GIVE IT TO ME. JUST ASKING FOR YOUR BELIEF.
ollieroks 1 year ago
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@MagicalMysteryWhore THATS BECAUSE THE DEVIL'S GREATEST TRICK IS TO MAKE THE WHOLE WORLD BELIEVE THAT HEAVEN AND HELL DOSE NOT EXIST. YOU MIGHT NOT BELIEVE IN THE DEVIL, BUT HE BELIEVES IN YOU. LOVE EL DIABLO
ollieroks 1 year ago
@MagicalMysteryWhore not to get too deep, but do you understand why it does? No disrespect
rapperbest131 1 year ago
@rapperbest131
nostalgia. for the first 15 years of my life i was a devoted Catholic. it was 100% real to me. no one on this earth could've changed my mind. it was a beautiful yet terrifying situation. i know what it feels like to TRULY believe and stuff like this just takes me back to all the guilt, fear, and love i felt as a Christian during that time.
MagicalMysteryWhore 1 year ago
WAR ON GOD! eww
esrapk 1 year ago
he says ''he'' but god is a woman as they said before in the movie and as a angel he should know that dont you think ?
esrapk 1 year ago
@esrapk It's also stated by Rufus that 'she' is not really anything. Not male or female... so him and her are both wrong... but I suppose it would be awkward to refer to God as 'it'...
FaithLestrange 1 year ago 4
@FaithLestrange but in the final scene she appears to them as a woman
esrapk 1 year ago
@esrapk It''s God she/he can appear however she/he wants. She/he was also an old man when she/he went to go play skeeball...
FaithLestrange 1 year ago 4
@FaithLestrange ohws oke
esrapk 1 year ago
@FaithLestrange Of course it would be awkward, but for us, not "it" or him/her, however you want to put it. We like to say him just so we feel's a lot more comfortable in the language presented. Imagine if everywhere we went and all those him's in the Bible were it's. It'd be far too broad, and it feels like there's way less of a connection between us and him. Heh, that's how I think of it anyway.
br00tul 1 year ago
Brilliant scene.
Ben Affleck can act once in a while.
JimmySteller 1 year ago 4
@JimmySteller A good actor always does well when he has good material and a good director but no matter how good an actor is, he'll suck if given bad material and poor directing.
Brittonsp 1 year ago
I love ben's look when matt talks about war on god.
10kreider 1 year ago
@10kreider
I know! It's a great scene. Whoever wrote this scene deserves much congratulations.
JimmySteller 1 year ago
You know i've been reading some of the arguments on here and I think rufus was right in the movie. I think it would be better if we threw out are belifes and just had ideas instead. It's just like rufus said you can change an idea but changing a belife is trickier. I mean truth be told that is how 9-11 got started with osama bin ladens belife that we are evil.
10kreider 1 year ago
Affleck gives a great performance here but somehow my favorite line still is when Damon says "I have seen what happens to the proud when they take on the Throne." Very cool.
ChrisGunner 1 year ago 2
Is there any other format for exchanging thoughts in a movie, different from yelling at each other ?
camilocuesta 1 year ago
Love this scene. Dogma has been my favorite movie for years. Whatever you believe in, seeing this film with an open mind gives you so many interesting perspectives. Ben Affleck is great in this monologue and I love that The Voice is played by Alan Rickman. Shame that this film is seen as just a comedy by many. There's so much more to it than that.
"He gave them more than he ever gave us. He gave them a choice."
- after seeing this film at least 50 times that quote still gives me chills.
ThePlanetOf 1 year ago 4
@ThePlanetOf God gave us the option to choose and the first thing we choosed was not being with god. That says bad about god indeed.
camilocuesta 1 year ago
@camilocuesta I'd love to reply to this with many thoughts, but the way you state your opinion - it's like you're sure you know the truth, and I have a hard time discussing these kinda things with people who already know they're right. Secondly, youtube doesn't seem like the type of forum to get into religious discussions in. Thanks for sharing your thoughts, though.
ThePlanetOf 1 year ago
@ThePlanetOf It was just a comment, relax
camilocuesta 1 year ago 2
@camilocuesta Hah, fair enough.
ThePlanetOf 1 year ago
@camilocuesta
Flawless victory...
frostjackMP 1 year ago
00:19 Start of a great monologue
pyro2012 1 year ago
ben afflek has a HUUUGE head
mikesomething 1 year ago
i love this movie i have seen it 200 times.
doctorw2 1 year ago
War on God? The proud taking on the throne? I'm going back to Wisconsin! lol
JasonsWorld86 1 year ago
I adore this movie, especially this scen! soo passionated acting. i'm watching this scene every day, since 4 month! (yes, I'm a freakI) it's part of my daily routine. And it never loses its power.
spiegelbild90 1 year ago
this scene is so powerful..the dialogue and the chemistry between them is to the TEE
simply amazing
DaBrimOfAnSDcap 1 year ago
I know its just a movie but everything he said makes alot of sense especially the part about people even dont think that he's real just because they cant see him
kirato2 1 year ago 2
Hard to pick the best scene from Dogma, but I would have to say it's a toss up between this one and the board room scene.
pyrogyra72 1 year ago 3
the dm at my job looks and sounds freakishly like ben affleck
lilhatchet2791 1 year ago
wow some of the stuff he says is kinds true =I
njrainydayzjj 1 year ago
ahhhh i love matt damon "my god i've heard a rant like this before "
peace out
njrainydayzjj 2 years ago
One of the most dramatic speech scenes in modern cinema. Which is so bizarre since it's Matt Damon and Ben Affleck in a Kevin Smith movie?
Can't make this shit up.
SpecialFester 2 years ago 32
@SpecialFester It shouldn't be bizzare. They worked a lot with Smith before they got famous. They kinda owe him and that's why they appear in most of Kevin's View Askewniverse. It was actually Kevin Smith who even brought the Good Will Hunting script to miramax which launched their hollywood career.
kenpessumal 2 years ago
@SpecialFester what kenpessumal said.
PizzaHero92 1 year ago
Pageclaim for lumies who come to this vid via Omnires
cybernet377 2 years ago
With the echo, it was like sitting in church listening to a sermon or something.
tbmuex 2 years ago
@tbmuex Cool observation!
RLviddy 2 years ago
i was thinking that too about the reverb, its almost like the voices sounded like they were in your head lol probably sounds a bit nuts, and i am quite stoned now so i could have been trippin' . but anyway, im converting this video to mp3 so i can use it as a long intro to one of my hip hop beats. i think it will sound epic! i think the my own muse (being ganja) just helped me think of this idea lol.
strechmetz 1 year ago
best scene in the movie.
probably best scene in the askewniverse.
"My god... I've heard a rant like this before."
Taddare 2 years ago 2
I love the part where Loki says about rant and around what he seen when the proud take on he throne. Just fills me with adrenaline for some reason.
c1cssource 2 years ago 3
My favorite line in this whole thing actually is the "I have seen what happens to the proud when they take on The Throne." This is actually a really good dramatic scene in my opinion.
ChrisGunner 2 years ago 6
To all the amateur theologists putting comments... I say...
"My God, I've heard a rant like this before."
Can we just enjoy this scene without constant bickering about our respective religions and such?
danielhiryu 2 years ago 4
@danielhiryu Unfortunately that the world we are in.. because when you play with Religon.. You are playing with someone faith. Although many just shrug it off, some totally just get mad.
redeye117 2 years ago 2