No one who is of the real Tien Shan Pai lineage has ANYTHING to prove to you. It is far better to simply highlight your ignorance by allowing your admission that YOU cannot identify which forms are Tien Shan Pai. Grandmaster Huang has repeatedly named Tien Shan Pai forms at dozens of seminars i have personally attended.
Tien Shan Pai forms are Tien Shan Pai forms. If people don't think so, it is because they have not been given lineage through Wang who would have told them this.
As for this form, it is a hybrid of Daoist styles, and is a fun form to run.
Daoist styles? this form was created at the Central Guoshu Academy from, there is no such thing as Daoist styles. What are those styles in your opinion? TSP is mainly the curriculum WJJ learnt at the Academy. His name does not appear among the famous graduates of the Academy nor any mention of TSP during that period. How do I know this? because I have done extensive research in the topic and I am publishing it soon.
"Daoist" styles are typically called the "Nei Jia" but this term was really only coined by Sun, Lu-T'ang. There is no clear cut dividing-line distinction between Nei and Wai Jia, but the former generally refers "at least" to T'aijiquan, Baguazhang and Xingyiquan; ALL of which are components of this form (as well as other styles). i'm sorry if this isn't absolutely clear to you from watching the form.
That ppl call TJQ, XYQ and BGQ as internal styles does not mean they are nor Daoist. You answered yourself, Sun Lu Tang mixed the Daoist philosophy with the above mention systems, but they are not Daoist. Now if you do your research you will find that Neijia was link to MA in the late Ming, but it was not link to Daoism, that came later in the Qing
i'm certainly not interested in debating the matter, as it is one of perspectival difference. i am of the school of thought that holds Xingyi to be heavily influenced by Daoist principles in initial composition AND in later development. i am of the school of thought that maintains Dong, Hai-Chuan's position of the antiquity of Bagua AND the Daoist origins, and as well Yang, Lu-Ch'an's position on the Daoist/Wudang origins of the Jiang Fa T'aiji line.
There are no such things as "Tien Shan Pai" forms--they all come from other systems. Also, forms are sometimes "embellished" just for demo.This is a "Franken-form" in that it exactly is bits & pieces sewn together for purpose of demo. Mr. Lin touched on the demo versions in his latest dvd on Shao Lin and kick
Tien Shan Pai is a good system to learn. I would suggest Dennis Brown's school or workshops with Willy Lin if possible.
Mr. Lin just posted the true history of TSP on his website. Don't worry about Huang-he is a pimple( in my opinion).
Dragonkarma 2 years ago
yep that is a great school that is where i go to now that form is Mai Jai Hung
n3phlim 2 years ago
@Dragonkarma
Mikhabendavid is a liar until HE can name the "Tien Shan Pai " forms. He DID say he heard Huang name them. Like teacher like student.
Dragonkarma 2 years ago
I'm learning Tien Shan Pai, is it a good style to learn?
WasabiFootSore 3 years ago
No one who is of the real Tien Shan Pai lineage has ANYTHING to prove to you. It is far better to simply highlight your ignorance by allowing your admission that YOU cannot identify which forms are Tien Shan Pai. Grandmaster Huang has repeatedly named Tien Shan Pai forms at dozens of seminars i have personally attended.
Mikhahbendavid 3 years ago
SGM Wang created this form in Taiwan.
YIUsed2be 3 years ago
Please name what you think are TSP forms?
richhewton 4 years ago
well,,, do you wanna name any forms you think are TSP? Can't name any?
richhewton 3 years ago
Tien Shan Pai forms are Tien Shan Pai forms. If people don't think so, it is because they have not been given lineage through Wang who would have told them this.
As for this form, it is a hybrid of Daoist styles, and is a fun form to run.
Mikhahbendavid 4 years ago
Daoist styles? this form was created at the Central Guoshu Academy from, there is no such thing as Daoist styles. What are those styles in your opinion? TSP is mainly the curriculum WJJ learnt at the Academy. His name does not appear among the famous graduates of the Academy nor any mention of TSP during that period. How do I know this? because I have done extensive research in the topic and I am publishing it soon.
Tianshanwarrior 3 years ago
"Daoist" styles are typically called the "Nei Jia" but this term was really only coined by Sun, Lu-T'ang. There is no clear cut dividing-line distinction between Nei and Wai Jia, but the former generally refers "at least" to T'aijiquan, Baguazhang and Xingyiquan; ALL of which are components of this form (as well as other styles). i'm sorry if this isn't absolutely clear to you from watching the form.
Mikhahbendavid 3 years ago
That ppl call TJQ, XYQ and BGQ as internal styles does not mean they are nor Daoist. You answered yourself, Sun Lu Tang mixed the Daoist philosophy with the above mention systems, but they are not Daoist. Now if you do your research you will find that Neijia was link to MA in the late Ming, but it was not link to Daoism, that came later in the Qing
Tianshanwarrior 3 years ago
i'm certainly not interested in debating the matter, as it is one of perspectival difference. i am of the school of thought that holds Xingyi to be heavily influenced by Daoist principles in initial composition AND in later development. i am of the school of thought that maintains Dong, Hai-Chuan's position of the antiquity of Bagua AND the Daoist origins, and as well Yang, Lu-Ch'an's position on the Daoist/Wudang origins of the Jiang Fa T'aiji line.
These were regarded as Daoist before Sun.
Mikhahbendavid 3 years ago
There are no such things as "Tien Shan Pai" forms--they all come from other systems. Also, forms are sometimes "embellished" just for demo.This is a "Franken-form" in that it exactly is bits & pieces sewn together for purpose of demo. Mr. Lin touched on the demo versions in his latest dvd on Shao Lin and kick
Dragonkarma 4 years ago
Beautiful form! From what I understand, it is a synthisis of many of the forms in the tien shan pai and was created by SGM Wang.
Thanks for the video.
Heres a request if possible...Tien Shan Pai's beautiful Shao Horng or Mandarin Duck
tienshanpai 4 years ago
Oh boy one of my favorite forms that I enjoy doing...
I just may compete in some tournaments with this one this year...slightly different but its still a beautiful form
TaijiBoxer 4 years ago