This isn't an indictment of capitalism. it's a demonstration of what happens without a union. In socialism or communism, you couldn't choose where to work, and would probably be shot by the commissar at the end of the day if you couldn't keep up.
@PV1230 Socialism is very VERY different from communism. There are different levels and different outlooks within it. It doesn't mean giving up your property and being told what to do. The bottom line is equality and making sure nobody starves to death and everybody carrying the load together, with a sense of community.
Charlie Chaplin was close a machine to feed you so you work through your lunch, Instead we got Blackberry a machine to work you while you eat your lunch.
Yes, I hear you. The term is "electronic invaders." So intrusive, they make this video appear less concerning because at least after The Tramp left the factory, he was truly off work. These days? Your boss and clients want unfettered access to your every waken minute. I do not know why people marvel at the idea of having access to everyone all the time because it means they have access to yourself at all times too.
Our work won't just follow us home. It will be the air we breathe.
Hey you blind lovers of "capitalism", I hope you have the guts to read the book: King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild. It's about what horribly happened to people of The Congo when this scum Begium king took their land. Greed, enslavement and holocaust all in the name of capitalism.
@IndisguiseIam I have a better idea. Why don't you both shut up, stop with the arguments, and just watch the video? Or if you're already done watching the video, why don't you go view another one?
Oh, God. I have a John Lennon wannabe latched to my neck and I CAN'T GET IT OFF!
You're not fooling anyone with your self-aggrandizing, holier than thou tripe. You're not some monk dedicated to your vows to rid the world of weeping children. You're just here to shut up comments you disagree with and put yourself on a pedestal of the moral highground.
You're just a pitiful liberal control freak (nearly redundant, I know) with a fixation.
Hope I decide to not do it again? Who the hell do you think you are?
I didn't demonize anyone, and your wish to wrongly describe my comments doesn't give you a license to react equally wrongly. I need my observations pre-approved by you?. I can see perhaps why you have such self-contradictory friends, because they're probably afraid to tell you what you refuse to hear at any given moment, resulting in them claiming to be everything at once, Capitalist, Socialist, anything!
I wasn't speaking of individuals, I was speaking of the group-think. The presence of exceptions is not the negation of the rule.
For example, overwhelmingly, the democratic party is "pro choice" and the Republican party is "pro life." Just because there are individuals who are pro choice but otherwise describe themselves as Republican does NOT mean the Republican party is pro life.
If you weren't so keen to tear down values you disagree with, you'd have seen I meant that.
Of course this is an anti-capitalist film, and Chaplin was certainly on the political left. Actually, I'm watching this segment because I'm reading Marx's 'Capital' and was reminded of the film.
O cara é... sem palavras. Um gênio muito à frente de seu tempo que conseguiu a proeza nada fácil de aliar comédia de alta qualidade (não a comédia pastelão que temos hoje) com crítica à exploração exacerbada do proletário, que exerce uma profissão que invés de torná-lo uma pessoa melhor, ajudá-lo a se descobrir, torna-o um animal, embrutece-o ao invés de liberta-lo.
Socialism is far more anti-human than Capitalism, by a long shot. That being said, Capitalism is not the subject of this movie. It's industrialization and technologization. They're as inherit to civilization as humanity and contain as many benefits as downsides, but thinking Socialist, Communist, and Fascist nations didn't have just as much of it, you're sadly mistaken.
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@TheJediCharles Tell the kids making your clothes in Cambodia for a $1 a week that capitalism isn't "anti-human", Or to the countries the US has kindly liberated in the name of freemarket economics.
The movie is about industrialization, technologization AND capitalism.
1. To defend Capitalism does not mean to defend it's extremes or that it's ideals don't exist. I can defend making love without being accused of defending rape. Your shallow, monolithic "go tell the kids" criticism can be redirected back 100 different ways against socialism.
2. If that's true, Chaplin is the biggest hypocrite. His quote: "I went into the business for the money, and the art grew out of it. If people are disillusioned by that remark, I can't help it. It's the truth."
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@TheJediCharles I disagree. You can decide to cherry pick the bits within capitalism that you think are best and defend them if you like, but you could apply that logic to some of the most oppressive regimes in history, it still wouldn't make them right, or a force for good.
FYI the 'If you think we're bad, look at them' argument is always an instant fail in any debate, but it seems that's all you've got up to now.
I wish instead of repeatedly attempting to discredit what I say you'd simply respond to what I say.
You're wasting my time. I put forth a thoughtful point of view, you ignore it and instead speak of how I don't know what I'm talking about as if it's a response.
Until you remark directly, consider yourself ruled irrelevant.
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@TheJediCharles Ran out of ideas have we? Resorting to the Ad Hominem, with petty and thinly veiled insults? That doesn't surprise me. Make your excuses and bow out. Keep telling yourself you know what you're talking about. Have a nice life.
Attacks? Oh, get over yourself. You admitted you don't understand a simple point then admit you don't get another. That's my fault?
Listen bub, I don't OWE you attention. If are still game, then demonstrate your worthiness. Explain the BEST YOU CAN about how Chaplin's quote conflicts with being supposedly anti-Capitalist. I'll respond only in proportion that you do. If you fake (or exhibit genuine) stupidity, then you'll have failed to save my interest.
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@TheJediCharles Nowhere did I say Chaplin was against earning money. I have said this film also has anti-capitalist tones. This scene is almost a direct recreation from Karl Marx's communist manifesto... (which i will quote separately).
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@TheJediCharles "Masses of labourers, crowded into the factory, are organised like soldiers. As privates of the industrial army they are placed under the command of a perfect hierarchy of officers and sergeants. Not only are they slaves of the bourgeois class, and of the bourgeois State; they are daily and hourly enslaved by the machine, by the overlooker, and, above all, by the individual bourgeois manufacturer himself."
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@TheJediCharles "Owing to the extensive use of machinery, and to the division of labour, the work of the proletarians has lost all individual character, and, consequently, all charm for the workman. He becomes an appendage of the machine, and it is only the most simple, most monotonous, and most easily acquired knack, that is required of him."
I've heard all those, but those are the non sequiturs, not mine. You can't make him less a hypocrite by posting more quotes of his. They don't negate the hypocrisy.
But, if it's quotes you're interested in, and non sequitors, allow me to make another...
"That’s all Socialism is, taking Capitalism and transferring it over to the state. Socialism is “State Capitalism.”
@TheJediCharles So Chaplin can clearly recreate parts of the communist manifesto and present them to us in these scenes, and you still believe that there isn't anything even slightly anti-capitalistic about it?
That's why I presented the quotes from the communist manifesto so that a direct comparisons can be made between them and this video. That was my point in posting them.
(btw your reply seems to suggest these are chapin quotes, they are not)
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@TheJediCharles you have made the false presumption that because Chaplin admitted entering the movie business for the money, that he therefor is incapable of making a film which critizes a capitalistic society's shortcomings. That's why i didn't bother responding to it, it was a Non sequitur.
"because Chaplin admitted entering the movie business for the money, that he therefor is incapable of making a film which critizes a capitalistic society's shortcomings."
That's totally the point though. He's admitting it's okay for him to be a capitalist, so long as not enough other people are to make it central to the society. He's a hypocrite, but that's redundant with social liberals.
Exactly. Socialists aren't interested in creating wealth. They only care about redistributing it, even to the extent everyone is equally impoverished. They're deeply offended by personal prosperity. They give it an ugly name for effect (they're pros at that) to demonize it and make morally right to attack it; they call it greed. Greed does exist, but there's a difference between that extreme and the personal drive for profit, which is as human as needing the next breath of air.
If that makes you feel better in a therapeutic sort of way and might even prevent you from inflicting your childish anger on someone else, especially in person, I'm happy to serve as your virtual punching bag.
Go ahead and do it some more. Call it a charity service. Apparently, you need it and it has no impact on me whatsoever.
You've never read the Communist Manifesto. have you?
"Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily."
@TheJediCharles Earn = steal. USA, UK and others from Europe, etc, steal all kinds of natural resources all over the world, untill it´s nothing else to take. That´s capitalism
Oh, wait a minute. I get it. You have an emotional need to fill. Okay...
*ahem*
I am wrong. You are correct. Thank you for making me see the light. I must go now and spread the good word. Joy be the day I have met you and was reformed. Bless you, and good bye.
Although hernanra021 doesn't exactly express his ideas fluently, his statement concerning Russia and its past is correct. Most people don't know this, but Russia was a large, feudal society before communism. It was much less advanced than the Western Powers, partly because it hadn't used imperialism to fuel its industrialization. Communism turned it into one of the world's greatest industrial power. The reason it failed so hard after WW2 is because it took most of the damage.
My point is that only in the US is communism given such a bad and ignorant name. You may not be aware of this, but capitalism's "free market" (in name only) is probably the biggest drive for economic concentration in the entire world. It's not a good system. Never been. That being said, a mix of both of these systems (called Social-democracy) is in place in the Scandinavian countries and they are pretty much the most successful countries in the world right now.
It all comes down to which you fear more, big business or big government. It's truly that utterly simple. Barring unlikely equal fear of both, everyone pretty much has to choose. That's the ultimate "Y" in the road ideologically. Yes, there's other values factored in, such as class-envy, materialism, selfishness, idle lazyiness, totalitarian inclinations, etc., but largely, there it is.
I don't trust big business. I trust big government even less.
I like your method of discarding an argument. I really do. It's your call, honestly. But many have decided to trust big business over big government. They're looking at mountaintop removal, poisoned water supplies, deformed children, you name it. The sole fact that we at least have a say on who leads "big government", unlike big business, should probably be considered, but I see you're just an american suffering from post-cold-war propaganda fears.
What you call "discarding argument" I suppose would mean to me "simplifying the needlessly complicated." Also, I enjoy debating as much as the next guy. However, I hate wasting my time in debating the undebatable and/or on a forum incompatible with thoughtfulness/thoroughness. I never meant to put you off, but I can see now you were not so hampered in regards to me. I won't see that as my pass to come down to your level to defend myself. If you needed that, you can have it.
Capitalism doesn't equal earn. Capitalists make a profit by taking what other people make (workers) & selling it on the market. They pay the workers a wage which is equal to a certain amount of what they produce, the rest is profit from surplus the workers make. That is exploitation.
While I agree that Stalinist USSR was state capitalism, socialism is not state capitalism. Socialism is putting people in charge of the workplace & the state & using the state to provide for all.
You're attempting to impress a one-sided view of industrialism by attempting to apply it to capitalism. For starters, even the most socialistic nations include exploitive industrialization, and even worse because opportunities to escape it are even less available in socialism. Capitalism has the ability to be abused and exploit people but is not synonymous as you wrongly infer, and not as often and to the extent socialism has proven.
"The people in charge?" HA! Talk about exploitation!
No I'm not. I'm giving a brief Marxist economic explanation of capital accumulation. Although it is one sided, I choose this as Marx's economic theory is the only one that adequately explains the business cycle through his theory of value which was built on earlier economists - David Ricardo & Adam Smith - observations. This is opposed to neoclassical economic theory which struggles to explain why capitalism comes into crisis.
I think you fail to understand what socialism is so let me try to break it down for you as simply as possible.
First lets talk about equal trade. If a person makes 2 chairs and trades them for 10 apples, it is an equal trade. This is the trade in socialism. The state is there to protect this trade. The workplace is democratically run by the people who work there. The government is democratically elected and represents the interests of the people.
Long-winded replies on YouTube comment boards make my eyes glaze over. The forum is designed to discourage it (and thank God for that). If you really wish to discuss it with me, stick with one point at a time and fit it within a single reply field.
Nice way to concede the discussion. When you're right about a topic as complex as society/economics/state it's hard to fit a succinct reply into 500 characters. It's easier to do when you have a shallow, conservative view on these things. For a lot of people reading more than 500 characters isn't a problem but I understand why you might find it difficult.
Hey, whatever makes you feel good to convince yourself, go for it.
If you can't narrow your point to the comment field here, you're the one screwing up. Either you're a failure at refining your point or you're hoping to spread your idealism in the wrong arena.
We can have the discussion, I've just got better things to do with my time than overwhelm 5 comment fields lest you accuse me of being beneath your dignity.
Hey, award yourself your trophy, apparently your ego needs it.
You didn't answer my question, because you can't as Socialism isn't exploitative in the slightest whereas capitalism is, but instead you just made a flippant remark about the length of my replies. That is why I said you conceded.
You have better things to do with your time? I doubt it, you seem to enjoy berating people as can be seen from previous comments.
I'm not spreading idealism merely pointing out you've confused state capitalism and it's institutions with Socialism.
So, every industrial center in any socialist country does not mistreat, exploit, or otherwise mistreat any of it's workers... in your words "even in the slightest"? You can make waggish claims like that and expect others to obey your demands for following through?
You're not a serious individual whatsoever. What's to concede to? Your ego?
I'm afraid there are no Socialist countries, that's what I've been explaining. You've confused Capitalism employing Keynesian economic policy in the form of state capitalist institutions, and state capitalist countries with Socialism. Please reread my previous posts.
There's no need to be like that is there? I hardly expected to change an obvious conservatives view on the world but I was trying to explain the differences between capitalism, state capitalism and socialism.
If "there are no socialist countries", then how can you claim it doesn't exploit anyone? Where are you getting your data when by your own retarded claims it isn't implemented anywhere?
Because Socialism is about doing away with class society so there can be no ruling class (capitalist/employer/bureaucracy) exploiting another class (working class). This hasn't happened yet. Reread my earlier posts.
I get it from a dialectical analysis of the development of society and the development of capitalism. From the understanding of the social relationships in society and how they've evolved.
Why do you call it retarded? You're very aggressive, why?
Honestly, you are so defensive about this topic you come off as very insecure. There's no need to be so obnoxious.
It's not a matter of choosing a theory, it's about social representations based on the social relations & experiences in this society. You can't argue with the analysis I have given so you resort to calling my "claims" retarded & telling me to "get bent". Or telling me to shut up. You have a shallow view on society, no knowledge of economics so resort to insults.
Of course I joke, I've already made my point, all we're doing now is trying to get the last word in. This is my last post on the subject. It's been a pleasure.
In capitalism, a man will produce 2 chairs and give them to his employer who will trade them for 10 apples. The employer will give 3 of those apples to the employee. The state is there to protect the interests of the employer (capitalist). It is democratically elected but only serves the capitalists interest. The state may have state capitalist institutions like a national health service or a nationalised part of industry.
In State Capitalism, such as the former USSR, the worker produces 2 chairs, the state takes them and gives the worker 3 apples. It is undemocratic and competes with other states. It has a parasitic bureacracy dictating it.
So, tell me what is exploitative about a democratic institution based on equal trade? That of socialism and not capitalism, state or otherwise.
@TheJediCharles That´s all rong. In Russia before the socialism, they produce nothing, they import everything, and they have a very poor people. Then, since 1917 they became an industrial power and the 2nd economy of the world. Now the same with China(with some diferences). USA and capitalism will fall soon, like every other empire and economic system humanity had before
i startet a new job on the production line building forklifters and i can say this isnt even funny no more when you go through this yourself . cant even go on toilet without calling someone that does the job while.
i earn good money there but i wont do this job anymore cause it makes you a human robot and me it makes sick !
Volkswagen - je déteste cette usine, cette mentalité, ce système. Je l'observe par l'extérieur, je m'étonne que tout cela continue d'un jour à l'autre depuis 70 ans. L'homme semble être prêt à l'exploitation aussi longtemps qu'il est muni pour son travail. De toute facon (sans cédille) c'est le principe de l'entreprise Volkswagen. Avalez et vous serez payés!
I love this film.. it is a Classic... Chaplin was a definite Film Legend! He's an inspiration time and time again. And the huge window screen... that far back... crazy.
ja, ja. : esos imberbes si que son estúpidos, todos trabajando al ritmo de algo impuesto por la machine!!!, en cambio ahora estamos "mejor". solo que dominados totalmente por la globalizazione!!! ... eso es mejor??
Whats the name of that factory? - APPLE???
MrCreativideo 2 days ago
kick in da butt!
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MrSTOPANIMALCRUELTY 1 week ago
This isn't an indictment of capitalism. it's a demonstration of what happens without a union. In socialism or communism, you couldn't choose where to work, and would probably be shot by the commissar at the end of the day if you couldn't keep up.
PV1230 1 month ago
@PV1230 Socialism is very VERY different from communism. There are different levels and different outlooks within it. It doesn't mean giving up your property and being told what to do. The bottom line is equality and making sure nobody starves to death and everybody carrying the load together, with a sense of community.
Julie15gtc 3 weeks ago
é assim que eu ternho vivido.........
nina65550 1 month ago
Blackberry TV ad in Spain, France and holland :D
Popodelades 1 month ago
Heb tv stil moeten zetten bij bb reclame om te lezen wat er stond
izwolle 2 months ago
big brother is watching
MaetelUsagi 2 months ago
was this the movie that got him temporarely banned from USA?
gulbirk 3 months ago
@gulbirk I think it was bacause of movie Dictator.
mikisotak 2 months ago
@gulbirk yeah he made fun of some law that was really strict back then
xXLuiso831Xx 1 month ago
the video link is in blackberry commercial in France too
666999molo 3 months ago
This video link is in a commercial on tv in holland :)
Sokophouder123 3 months ago
@Sokophouder123 ik heb het scherm stil gezet om het te lezen :P
djantuh11 3 months ago
Charlie Chaplin was close a machine to feed you so you work through your lunch, Instead we got Blackberry a machine to work you while you eat your lunch.
everycoldday 3 months ago 9
@everycoldday
Yes, I hear you. The term is "electronic invaders." So intrusive, they make this video appear less concerning because at least after The Tramp left the factory, he was truly off work. These days? Your boss and clients want unfettered access to your every waken minute. I do not know why people marvel at the idea of having access to everyone all the time because it means they have access to yourself at all times too.
Our work won't just follow us home. It will be the air we breathe.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
Watched this today in History. Haha.
jemXero 3 months ago
I meant scum Belgium king. sorry for the typo.
TheAnubis57 3 months ago
Hey you blind lovers of "capitalism", I hope you have the guts to read the book: King Leopold's Ghost by Adam Hochschild. It's about what horribly happened to people of The Congo when this scum Begium king took their land. Greed, enslavement and holocaust all in the name of capitalism.
TheAnubis57 3 months ago
shoot!! how does this related to the course; decision models and methods in my MBA course ?!?!?!?!my lecturer asked me to check this out .
poorna61 3 months ago
2 people are machines
alekoep 4 months ago
sad people arguing over a video of charlie chaplin hahaha
AssTheCake 4 months ago
@IndisguiseIam Wait, you're going to start an argument over this?
impossimadnescyAJ 4 months ago
@IndisguiseIam I did. I said 'both' therefore it applies to him as well.
impossimadnescyAJ 4 months ago
Whoa, eight months of arguing.
oRafaeldapaz 4 months ago
Haa..haaa..Charlie screwed the hot chick bending over.
tintinban 4 months ago
好好笑
gary19971122 4 months ago
@gary19971122 係=.=
jimjim0420 4 months ago
I LOVES CHARLIE CHAPLIN! i couldn't stop laughing! :D
NatetheJoker90 4 months ago
This movie is the perfect example of the greed of capitalism
hernanra021 4 months ago
@IndisguiseIam I have a better idea. Why don't you both shut up, stop with the arguments, and just watch the video? Or if you're already done watching the video, why don't you go view another one?
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@IndisguiseIam
Shut up.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago
@IndisguiseIam
Shut up.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago
@IndisguiseIam
Shut up.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago
@IndisguiseIam
Oh, God. I have a John Lennon wannabe latched to my neck and I CAN'T GET IT OFF!
You're not fooling anyone with your self-aggrandizing, holier than thou tripe. You're not some monk dedicated to your vows to rid the world of weeping children. You're just here to shut up comments you disagree with and put yourself on a pedestal of the moral highground.
You're just a pitiful liberal control freak (nearly redundant, I know) with a fixation.
Buzz off, twinkletoes.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago 2
@IndisguiseIam
Are you still trying to fix me? What's wrong with you? You don't hear yourself whatsoever. I'm not beholden to your sanctimonious defecating.
If you want to see less fighting and blaming, shut the hell up.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago
@IndisguiseIam
Hope I decide to not do it again? Who the hell do you think you are?
I didn't demonize anyone, and your wish to wrongly describe my comments doesn't give you a license to react equally wrongly. I need my observations pre-approved by you?. I can see perhaps why you have such self-contradictory friends, because they're probably afraid to tell you what you refuse to hear at any given moment, resulting in them claiming to be everything at once, Capitalist, Socialist, anything!
Shutup!
TheJediCharles 5 months ago 3
@IndisguiseIam
You seem to wish to feel offended. That's your choice.
I stand by my comments as you do your chosen reaction to them.
Have a nice day.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago
i just want a piece of land so i can live of it. is it too much to ask for ?
klumnik 5 months ago
@IndisguiseIam
I wasn't speaking of individuals, I was speaking of the group-think. The presence of exceptions is not the negation of the rule.
For example, overwhelmingly, the democratic party is "pro choice" and the Republican party is "pro life." Just because there are individuals who are pro choice but otherwise describe themselves as Republican does NOT mean the Republican party is pro life.
If you weren't so keen to tear down values you disagree with, you'd have seen I meant that.
TheJediCharles 5 months ago
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TheJediCharles 5 months ago
nunca habrá alguien igual, Chaplin lo máximo
MegaLobex 5 months ago
charlie chapman is the shit..hahahahahahh
ThleTruth 5 months ago
Of course this is an anti-capitalist film, and Chaplin was certainly on the political left. Actually, I'm watching this segment because I'm reading Marx's 'Capital' and was reminded of the film.
harpy61 5 months ago
Just the best Charlie Chaplin was a genius of the comedy ...!!!!
allyally15 6 months ago
The best Charlie Chaplin film to date
raptofilms 6 months ago
i allways recommend charlies movies 2 watch. it is non stop comedy......
h1hira420 6 months ago
احسن مسلسل
almahtar20101 6 months ago
Absolutely fantastic. what the legend envisions as a comedy act many years ago has now become our nightmare, living a mechanical life.
DESIRE IS IRRELEVANT, I AM A MACHINE - from Terminator
MiF21375 6 months ago
this is funny. But this is our crazy reality today...work without meaning...
ThePg45 6 months ago
this movie is more a prophecy about what world will become in the future ..i mean today..
but most of us we cant see that..
salvadoraugustus 7 months ago
FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!
himonisha04 8 months ago
Happy Birthday Charlie
Snullcap 9 months ago
Happy Birthday to a great artist!
arkipelagoprod 9 months ago 8
Happy birthday Charlie Chaplin!
bettieboutique 9 months ago
Porque será que ele passava lápis nos olhos ?
BaubeckTelevision 9 months ago
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Jorjeapatia 9 months ago
Rei
BaubeckTelevision 9 months ago
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ciftehankasabasi 9 months ago
5:03 LOL !
hairocker 10 months ago
I watched this at school :D
xxInnYurrDreamssxx 10 months ago 24
@xxInnYurrDreamssxx me 2!
rainawein 4 months ago
@xxInnYurrDreamssxx lol me too!
JuanPaBJxGothic 3 months ago
@JuanPaBJxGothic me too!
nos3020919 3 months ago
@nos3020919 wow! it seems teachers agree on showing this film to their students xD
JuanPaBJxGothic 3 months ago
@xxInnYurrDreamssxx so did i
andre20041997 3 months ago
@xxInnYurrDreamssxx me too
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semiprohayo 10 months ago
Frederick Taylor, thank you.
agieyy 10 months ago
why you have cut the best part?the eating machine?
zelgraymon 10 months ago
Beczka śmiechu !!
aniamovie 10 months ago
the 2 ppl that disliked were laughing so hard they accidently clicked dislikeso its ok
Brandon33akahk 10 months ago
this my fav charlie chaplin film
Lawso45 11 months ago
Ah, for any of us who've ever worked on a moving belt assembly line!!! ;-D.....man, can we sympathize!!
LyraM13 11 months ago
I wish I had one of those automatic feeders. :P
3ni6ma 1 year ago
I wish I had one of those automatic feeders. :P
3ni6ma 1 year ago 2
k lol ! mas ta altamente
71joao71 1 year ago
Wow, he predicted video conference in 1936!
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MoniRokse 1 year ago
only machines talk... chaplin never.... awsome
zeroleminski 1 year ago
@zeroleminski ... except in the great dictator...
curiniul 11 months ago
He missed one.
thatbennyguy 1 year ago
Why the shirtless men? Is this a queer movie?
ToxicOdiousOne 1 year ago
O cara é... sem palavras. Um gênio muito à frente de seu tempo que conseguiu a proeza nada fácil de aliar comédia de alta qualidade (não a comédia pastelão que temos hoje) com crítica à exploração exacerbada do proletário, que exerce uma profissão que invés de torná-lo uma pessoa melhor, ajudá-lo a se descobrir, torna-o um animal, embrutece-o ao invés de liberta-lo.
Carlos0Grande1 1 year ago
Hollywood doesn't posses talent like this anymore.
IronCladLady8 1 year ago
That would be my boss, right by my cubicle LOL
vishakastudios 1 year ago
Man this is so ahead of its time..
CyReNiUsX 1 year ago
Capitalism will eventually destroy civilisation, and humanity with it,
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
Socialism is far more anti-human than Capitalism, by a long shot. That being said, Capitalism is not the subject of this movie. It's industrialization and technologization. They're as inherit to civilization as humanity and contain as many benefits as downsides, but thinking Socialist, Communist, and Fascist nations didn't have just as much of it, you're sadly mistaken.
Very sadly mistaken.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 4
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@TheJediCharles Tell the kids making your clothes in Cambodia for a $1 a week that capitalism isn't "anti-human", Or to the countries the US has kindly liberated in the name of freemarket economics.
The movie is about industrialization, technologization AND capitalism.
BTW I am not a communist.
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
1. To defend Capitalism does not mean to defend it's extremes or that it's ideals don't exist. I can defend making love without being accused of defending rape. Your shallow, monolithic "go tell the kids" criticism can be redirected back 100 different ways against socialism.
2. If that's true, Chaplin is the biggest hypocrite. His quote: "I went into the business for the money, and the art grew out of it. If people are disillusioned by that remark, I can't help it. It's the truth."
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 4
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@TheJediCharles I disagree. You can decide to cherry pick the bits within capitalism that you think are best and defend them if you like, but you could apply that logic to some of the most oppressive regimes in history, it still wouldn't make them right, or a force for good.
FYI the 'If you think we're bad, look at them' argument is always an instant fail in any debate, but it seems that's all you've got up to now.
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
I wish instead of repeatedly attempting to discredit what I say you'd simply respond to what I say.
You're wasting my time. I put forth a thoughtful point of view, you ignore it and instead speak of how I don't know what I'm talking about as if it's a response.
Until you remark directly, consider yourself ruled irrelevant.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 5
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@TheJediCharles I've made perfectly valid responses, and I've pointed out that your first point is a floored logic, therefore moot.
With regards to your Chaplin quote, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make with it. He made lots of money, we know that.
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
You don't understand the point I'm making with it? Wow, well... forgive me if I abandon the wasted effort with you.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 5
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@TheJediCharles Ran out of ideas have we? Resorting to the Ad Hominem, with petty and thinly veiled insults? That doesn't surprise me. Make your excuses and bow out. Keep telling yourself you know what you're talking about. Have a nice life.
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
Attacks? Oh, get over yourself. You admitted you don't understand a simple point then admit you don't get another. That's my fault?
Listen bub, I don't OWE you attention. If are still game, then demonstrate your worthiness. Explain the BEST YOU CAN about how Chaplin's quote conflicts with being supposedly anti-Capitalist. I'll respond only in proportion that you do. If you fake (or exhibit genuine) stupidity, then you'll have failed to save my interest.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 4
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@TheJediCharles Nowhere did I say Chaplin was against earning money. I have said this film also has anti-capitalist tones. This scene is almost a direct recreation from Karl Marx's communist manifesto... (which i will quote separately).
massiveants 1 year ago
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@TheJediCharles "Masses of labourers, crowded into the factory, are organised like soldiers. As privates of the industrial army they are placed under the command of a perfect hierarchy of officers and sergeants. Not only are they slaves of the bourgeois class, and of the bourgeois State; they are daily and hourly enslaved by the machine, by the overlooker, and, above all, by the individual bourgeois manufacturer himself."
massiveants 1 year ago
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@TheJediCharles "Owing to the extensive use of machinery, and to the division of labour, the work of the proletarians has lost all individual character, and, consequently, all charm for the workman. He becomes an appendage of the machine, and it is only the most simple, most monotonous, and most easily acquired knack, that is required of him."
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
I've heard all those, but those are the non sequiturs, not mine. You can't make him less a hypocrite by posting more quotes of his. They don't negate the hypocrisy.
But, if it's quotes you're interested in, and non sequitors, allow me to make another...
"That’s all Socialism is, taking Capitalism and transferring it over to the state. Socialism is “State Capitalism.”
-Dennis Prager
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 5
@TheJediCharles So Chaplin can clearly recreate parts of the communist manifesto and present them to us in these scenes, and you still believe that there isn't anything even slightly anti-capitalistic about it?
That's why I presented the quotes from the communist manifesto so that a direct comparisons can be made between them and this video. That was my point in posting them.
(btw your reply seems to suggest these are chapin quotes, they are not)
Your Prager quote adds nothing.
massiveants 1 year ago
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TheJediCharles 1 year ago
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TheJediCharles 1 year ago
@massiveants
Well, I'll make this quick. That's the third time you've told me what I say adds nothing.
I'd be an idiot to continue to try with you.
Go ahead, have the last word, and make a clever, snide comment about my saying that to boost your ego.
You've changed nothing here.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 11
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@TheJediCharles you have made the false presumption that because Chaplin admitted entering the movie business for the money, that he therefor is incapable of making a film which critizes a capitalistic society's shortcomings. That's why i didn't bother responding to it, it was a Non sequitur.
massiveants 1 year ago
@massiveants
"because Chaplin admitted entering the movie business for the money, that he therefor is incapable of making a film which critizes a capitalistic society's shortcomings."
That's totally the point though. He's admitting it's okay for him to be a capitalist, so long as not enough other people are to make it central to the society. He's a hypocrite, but that's redundant with social liberals.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 2
@massiveants
and so will communism- things can never be equal- its just human nature im sad to say
TH3USUALSUSP3CTS 1 year ago
@TH3USUALSUSP3CTS
Exactly. Socialists aren't interested in creating wealth. They only care about redistributing it, even to the extent everyone is equally impoverished. They're deeply offended by personal prosperity. They give it an ugly name for effect (they're pros at that) to demonize it and make morally right to attack it; they call it greed. Greed does exist, but there's a difference between that extreme and the personal drive for profit, which is as human as needing the next breath of air.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago 7
@TheJediCharles idiot
Isismusicnow 1 year ago
@Isismusicnow
If that makes you feel better in a therapeutic sort of way and might even prevent you from inflicting your childish anger on someone else, especially in person, I'm happy to serve as your virtual punching bag.
Go ahead and do it some more. Call it a charity service. Apparently, you need it and it has no impact on me whatsoever.
TheJediCharles 1 year ago
@TheJediCharles
You've never read the Communist Manifesto. have you?
"Hard-won, self-acquired, self-earned property! Do you mean the property of petty artisan and of the small peasant, a form of property that preceded the bourgeois form? There is no need to abolish that; the development of industry has to a great extent already destroyed it, and is still destroying it daily."
AlaricxMalgraith 1 year ago
@TheJediCharles Capitalism = Greed
hernanra021 4 months ago
@hernanra021
Capitalism = Earn
Socialism = Greed through taking what other's earned
"That’s all Socialism is, taking Capitalism and transferring it over to the state. Socialism is 'State Capitalism.'"
-Dennis Prager
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
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@TheJediCharles Capitalism = Greed
hernanra021 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles Earn = steal. USA, UK and others from Europe, etc, steal all kinds of natural resources all over the world, untill it´s nothing else to take. That´s capitalism
hernanra021 4 months ago
@hernanra021
Shut up = you.
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles no arguments = you
hernanra021 4 months ago
@hernanra021
Oh, wait a minute. I get it. You have an emotional need to fill. Okay...
*ahem*
I am wrong. You are correct. Thank you for making me see the light. I must go now and spread the good word. Joy be the day I have met you and was reformed. Bless you, and good bye.
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles last resource of someone that doesn´t know what to say: sarcasm
hernanra021 4 months ago
@hernanra021
Again, you're right.
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles of course, I own the truth
hernanra021 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles
Although hernanra021 doesn't exactly express his ideas fluently, his statement concerning Russia and its past is correct. Most people don't know this, but Russia was a large, feudal society before communism. It was much less advanced than the Western Powers, partly because it hadn't used imperialism to fuel its industrialization. Communism turned it into one of the world's greatest industrial power. The reason it failed so hard after WW2 is because it took most of the damage.
haiothhakodesh 4 months ago
@haiothhakodesh
So, what's your point?
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles
My point is that only in the US is communism given such a bad and ignorant name. You may not be aware of this, but capitalism's "free market" (in name only) is probably the biggest drive for economic concentration in the entire world. It's not a good system. Never been. That being said, a mix of both of these systems (called Social-democracy) is in place in the Scandinavian countries and they are pretty much the most successful countries in the world right now.
haiothhakodesh 4 months ago
@haiothhakodesh
It all comes down to which you fear more, big business or big government. It's truly that utterly simple. Barring unlikely equal fear of both, everyone pretty much has to choose. That's the ultimate "Y" in the road ideologically. Yes, there's other values factored in, such as class-envy, materialism, selfishness, idle lazyiness, totalitarian inclinations, etc., but largely, there it is.
I don't trust big business. I trust big government even less.
There's nothing else to discuss.
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles
I like your method of discarding an argument. I really do. It's your call, honestly. But many have decided to trust big business over big government. They're looking at mountaintop removal, poisoned water supplies, deformed children, you name it. The sole fact that we at least have a say on who leads "big government", unlike big business, should probably be considered, but I see you're just an american suffering from post-cold-war propaganda fears.
haiothhakodesh 4 months ago
@haiothhakodesh
What you call "discarding argument" I suppose would mean to me "simplifying the needlessly complicated." Also, I enjoy debating as much as the next guy. However, I hate wasting my time in debating the undebatable and/or on a forum incompatible with thoughtfulness/thoroughness. I never meant to put you off, but I can see now you were not so hampered in regards to me. I won't see that as my pass to come down to your level to defend myself. If you needed that, you can have it.
TheJediCharles 4 months ago
@TheJediCharles
Capitalism doesn't equal earn. Capitalists make a profit by taking what other people make (workers) & selling it on the market. They pay the workers a wage which is equal to a certain amount of what they produce, the rest is profit from surplus the workers make. That is exploitation.
While I agree that Stalinist USSR was state capitalism, socialism is not state capitalism. Socialism is putting people in charge of the workplace & the state & using the state to provide for all.
Na11y 2 weeks ago
@Na11y
You're attempting to impress a one-sided view of industrialism by attempting to apply it to capitalism. For starters, even the most socialistic nations include exploitive industrialization, and even worse because opportunities to escape it are even less available in socialism. Capitalism has the ability to be abused and exploit people but is not synonymous as you wrongly infer, and not as often and to the extent socialism has proven.
"The people in charge?" HA! Talk about exploitation!
TheJediCharles 2 weeks ago
@TheJediCharles
No I'm not. I'm giving a brief Marxist economic explanation of capital accumulation. Although it is one sided, I choose this as Marx's economic theory is the only one that adequately explains the business cycle through his theory of value which was built on earlier economists - David Ricardo & Adam Smith - observations. This is opposed to neoclassical economic theory which struggles to explain why capitalism comes into crisis.
Continued on other post . . .
Na11y 2 weeks ago
@TheJediCharles
Continued from previous.
I'm afraid that the accumulation of capital is exploitative in it's very nature. Which is why in part that capitalism comes into crisis.
These "socialistic countries" are either capitalist or state capitalism though which is not a Socialist society. Socialism hasn't happened yet.
Can you explain what you mean by "HA! Talk about exploitation!", please? I think you may have misunderstood what I meant.
Na11y 2 weeks ago
@Na11y
The "ha" is that nothing exploits "the people" more than socialism, despite the trite idea that "the people" are running it and benefiting.
It's as simple as a quote from William F. Buckley, Jr...
"Government can't do anything for you except in proportion as it can do something to you."
TheJediCharles 2 weeks ago
@TheJediCharles
I think you fail to understand what socialism is so let me try to break it down for you as simply as possible.
First lets talk about equal trade. If a person makes 2 chairs and trades them for 10 apples, it is an equal trade. This is the trade in socialism. The state is there to protect this trade. The workplace is democratically run by the people who work there. The government is democratically elected and represents the interests of the people.
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Na11y 2 weeks ago
@Na11y
Long-winded replies on YouTube comment boards make my eyes glaze over. The forum is designed to discourage it (and thank God for that). If you really wish to discuss it with me, stick with one point at a time and fit it within a single reply field.
TheJediCharles 2 weeks ago
@TheJediCharles
Nice way to concede the discussion. When you're right about a topic as complex as society/economics/state it's hard to fit a succinct reply into 500 characters. It's easier to do when you have a shallow, conservative view on these things. For a lot of people reading more than 500 characters isn't a problem but I understand why you might find it difficult.
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
I conceded?
Hey, whatever makes you feel good to convince yourself, go for it.
If you can't narrow your point to the comment field here, you're the one screwing up. Either you're a failure at refining your point or you're hoping to spread your idealism in the wrong arena.
We can have the discussion, I've just got better things to do with my time than overwhelm 5 comment fields lest you accuse me of being beneath your dignity.
Hey, award yourself your trophy, apparently your ego needs it.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
@TheJediCharles
You didn't answer my question, because you can't as Socialism isn't exploitative in the slightest whereas capitalism is, but instead you just made a flippant remark about the length of my replies. That is why I said you conceded.
You have better things to do with your time? I doubt it, you seem to enjoy berating people as can be seen from previous comments.
I'm not spreading idealism merely pointing out you've confused state capitalism and it's institutions with Socialism.
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
So, every industrial center in any socialist country does not mistreat, exploit, or otherwise mistreat any of it's workers... in your words "even in the slightest"? You can make waggish claims like that and expect others to obey your demands for following through?
You're not a serious individual whatsoever. What's to concede to? Your ego?
Get bent. Seriously. I mean seriously. Get lost.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago 2
@TheJediCharles
I'm afraid there are no Socialist countries, that's what I've been explaining. You've confused Capitalism employing Keynesian economic policy in the form of state capitalist institutions, and state capitalist countries with Socialism. Please reread my previous posts.
There's no need to be like that is there? I hardly expected to change an obvious conservatives view on the world but I was trying to explain the differences between capitalism, state capitalism and socialism.
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
If "there are no socialist countries", then how can you claim it doesn't exploit anyone? Where are you getting your data when by your own retarded claims it isn't implemented anywhere?
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
@TheJediCharles
Because Socialism is about doing away with class society so there can be no ruling class (capitalist/employer/bureaucracy) exploiting another class (working class). This hasn't happened yet. Reread my earlier posts.
I get it from a dialectical analysis of the development of society and the development of capitalism. From the understanding of the social relationships in society and how they've evolved.
Why do you call it retarded? You're very aggressive, why?
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
"Doing away with"? You guys are all the same. You choose a theory, "live in it" and convince yourself it's reality.
Shut up immediately.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
@TheJediCharles
Honestly, you are so defensive about this topic you come off as very insecure. There's no need to be so obnoxious.
It's not a matter of choosing a theory, it's about social representations based on the social relations & experiences in this society. You can't argue with the analysis I have given so you resort to calling my "claims" retarded & telling me to "get bent". Or telling me to shut up. You have a shallow view on society, no knowledge of economics so resort to insults.
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
Shut up.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
@TheJediCharles
. . . No
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
Shut up.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
@TheJediCharles
For you? Nah.
Of course I joke, I've already made my point, all we're doing now is trying to get the last word in. This is my last post on the subject. It's been a pleasure.
Na11y 1 week ago
@Na11y
Shut up.
TheJediCharles 1 week ago
@TheJediCharles
In capitalism, a man will produce 2 chairs and give them to his employer who will trade them for 10 apples. The employer will give 3 of those apples to the employee. The state is there to protect the interests of the employer (capitalist). It is democratically elected but only serves the capitalists interest. The state may have state capitalist institutions like a national health service or a nationalised part of industry.
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Na11y 2 weeks ago
@TheJediCharles
In State Capitalism, such as the former USSR, the worker produces 2 chairs, the state takes them and gives the worker 3 apples. It is undemocratic and competes with other states. It has a parasitic bureacracy dictating it.
So, tell me what is exploitative about a democratic institution based on equal trade? That of socialism and not capitalism, state or otherwise.
Na11y 2 weeks ago
@TheJediCharles That´s all rong. In Russia before the socialism, they produce nothing, they import everything, and they have a very poor people. Then, since 1917 they became an industrial power and the 2nd economy of the world. Now the same with China(with some diferences). USA and capitalism will fall soon, like every other empire and economic system humanity had before
hernanra021 4 months ago
5:35 lol
MetalUpYourAssFuck 1 year ago
i startet a new job on the production line building forklifters and i can say this isnt even funny no more when you go through this yourself . cant even go on toilet without calling someone that does the job while.
i earn good money there but i wont do this job anymore cause it makes you a human robot and me it makes sick !
thesonofsons 1 year ago 2
The beauty of this, is that I can watch it without any sound.... and it still made me laugh out loud :'D
Smile :)
kbm11213 1 year ago 50
@kbm11213 ...action speaks louder than words
hrimatidasi 6 months ago
hahhhhhaaaa
MrBrutalg 5 months ago
Volkswagen - je déteste cette usine, cette mentalité, ce système. Je l'observe par l'extérieur, je m'étonne que tout cela continue d'un jour à l'autre depuis 70 ans. L'homme semble être prêt à l'exploitation aussi longtemps qu'il est muni pour son travail. De toute facon (sans cédille) c'est le principe de l'entreprise Volkswagen. Avalez et vous serez payés!
Memale2009 1 year ago
comiquisimo, me recuerda mi infancia en cuba en La comedia silente, fue y sera uno de los mejores en la historia del cine en el mundo.
popdiva30925 1 year ago
comiquisimo, me recierda mi infancia en cuba en La comedia silente los domigos, fue y sera de los mejores de la historia del cine
popdiva30925 1 year ago
who is the retard that disliked this?
SixStringer88 1 year ago
I have a huge crush on Charlie Chaplin, even if he was a pedophile.
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this is so awesome
X1ilzu1X 1 year ago
this is so awesome
X1ilzu1X 1 year ago
That's wonderful! Chaplin brilliantly shows everyone that nothing changed since then.
diegokmg 1 year ago
I love this film.. it is a Classic... Chaplin was a definite Film Legend! He's an inspiration time and time again. And the huge window screen... that far back... crazy.
FilmNFire 1 year ago 2
Foxconn of ancient time!
juicypencil 1 year ago
Balletic.
goback3spaces 1 year ago
ja, ja. : esos imberbes si que son estúpidos, todos trabajando al ritmo de algo impuesto por la machine!!!, en cambio ahora estamos "mejor". solo que dominados totalmente por la globalizazione!!! ... eso es mejor??
ltc128 1 year ago
This film was modern and remains modern even in our times!
HyrAyl 1 year ago
Tremenda
nubesdechocolateable 1 year ago
Nothing has changed - we are even more robots caught up in a ghastly, implacable machine.
geoffbond 1 year ago
ha ha ha
ashlysijoy 1 year ago