I don't see how anyone can claim that there is no evidence against a god. Of course there is. Here's one thing that pisses me off to this day. Has anyone noticed that references in the bible, are absolutely true, and literal... until science disproves it... Then, suddenly EVERYONE knows this was just a metaphor! Sure. We all know how barbarians goat herders are known for their lyrical prose.
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i just love how most atheists sit here and say how they dislike religion but it is the number one thing they talk about oh the irony. let me make a point know matter how much you dislike something it is gonna always gonna always be s there atheist can cry about religion and ignorant christians can babble on and on but with no result. but, to be honest myself as a catholic i tend to keep to myself about things and rather than be an ignorant christian lets try to be sensible.
@MrBiblical If American money said "In Santa We Trust", or if young Americans marched off to war believing that they go to the North Pole and play with toys forever if they die in battle, or if people prayed to Santa to bring them insulin for their diabetic child instead of going to the doctor, or if businesses avoided paying their fair share of taxes on donations and book sales because they claim they were working for Santa, I would fight SantaClaustianity. Ignoring the problem won't solve it.
Atheists generally tend to be real nasty - especially on comments sections like this. It's kind of like kick the cat. Atheists are one of the most despised kind of people in America. To publicly claim to be an atheist can not bring the best to you in this country. So, they take it all out on people who believe in God. Kick the cat.
God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
Why can't believers understand this basic idea? Theists make a claim. ("There's a god.") Atheists merely reject that claim. If every theist suddenly disappeared, nobody would be claiming there's a god, and thus, atheists wouldn't be saying ANYTHING. Without a claim of god from theists to reject, there is no atheist message!
If everyone on Earth was a theist, everyone's claim would be "There is a god."
If everyone on Earth was an atheist, nobody would be claiming anything about a god.
How can any religious person (especially Christian) watch these videos and ignore the sound argument and valid points raised against their beliefs. I watch Matt present a solid, clear and sane argument, then marvel at the stubborn arrogance and sheer defiant stupidity that still remains in the comments and with the callers. It must have been the same for those who tried to suggest that the earth was not flat and were met with the same faith based, brain dead, ignorance.
There are greek historians that have given account of Christ and christains.Do athiests believe those historians?Is there sufficient proof for any ancient history?How do we know for a fact that the even the civil war accounts are true?What about the holocausts?I have met people who dont believe in the moon landings.I have no way of proving that it happend.Ive seen the video footage but that could have been done in a studio.The burden of proof is on Athiest as well to prove the origin of existanc
"How do we know for a fact that even the civil war accounts are true?"
There are many contemporary and independent accounts of the events that match up. Accounts written by the Union AND the Confederacy. Accounts written by soldiers, politicians and generals that match up
"I have met people who dont believe in the moon landings"
I have met people who saw Elvis.
"that could have been done in a studio"
Sure. But all evidence points to there being a rocket and a lander.
@qynsar science is trying to find the answer but what has got to do with your imaginary friend you are one claiming magic so the the burden of proof is all yours sunshine
Ok but does everyone who believes anything and I'm not talking about religion right now just believe it because of sufficient evidence. Does someone believe going to the park is fun because of sufficient evidence, does one believe that they love someone because of sufficient evidence?
A book, by definition, cannot be perfect. A book is artificial by nature, a representation by nature, man made by nature. To believe a book is perfectly true is idiotic--especially a book filled with narrative contradictions and logical contradictions.
The Gospels say that. The term bible is made arrogantly, assuming it includes the Hebrew bible - which does not say that. The Hebrew bible is based on majestic laws of equality and deeds, not names.
A Prophesy is when a date and time is given - else its not a prophesy, and most probably a retrospective manipulation. This is specially true when there are no contemporary evidences available. Think about it then reject it.
Please forgive me but alot of you youtubers are complete idiots, no-one ever likes to discuss the many prophecies that came true that were written only in the bible and no where else. If Jesus came and flew most of you up to heaven for a day, the majority of you would say it didn't happen or make up some lame explanation for it. Then again the bible says that the majority is going to hell, God Bless!!
@chica0616 What verifiable evidence can you present to support your belief that a god exists ? Did Jesus fly you up to heaven ? Or is your belief based only on scripture & blind faith ?
@nowayout001 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
@chica0616 prophecies can not be considered evidence for anything, and it does not matter if they were exclusive to one religion. Think about why this is the case. Then please let me know what you think.
@Gamahlee "The Bible can't even explain..." Nope, it just DIDN'T explain. Well, a psychologist may not be able to explain many mathematical models used in advanced maths, but she should be able to explain human behaviour to an extent.
It really baffles me how someone could hold such an "important" belief based on there not being any current evidence to prove it wrong. I wish some people would evenly apply their own standards across the board.
@PosFlow "There not being any current evidence to prove it wrong" is not the basis of anyone's belief (unless that person is a rare case of true insanity). It is only one of the many justifications, if a person truly agrees that his belief has been proven wrong, he wouldn't believe in it any more. Since he has yet to see the proof with his own eyes, his belief is still not proven to be wrong and so it is okay for him to remain believing.
@nowayout001 I actually forgot what we're talking about in the larger context, but as to your comment, there are plenty of people that believe things that have been proven wrong. They just don't want to see it, because they WANT it to be true.
In fact if God is all powerful, and all knowing, why did he decide he had made a mistake and wiped nearly everything he made out except Noah and his impossible farm-boat?
Seems like an all powerful, all knowing god with a plan wouldn't have the need to hit the reset button so often, in fact he wouldn't NEED a reset button.
6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Sounds to me like he was pretty convinced he made a mistake. Nobody repents for something done right. I've never heard of anyone saying "I'm sorry I did it right."
@GermanChocolateCake If you have a son, give him a great upbringing and education, do everything perfect, but later as an adult he akes bad decisions, becomes a crackhead serial killer/rapist... did you make the mistake or did he?
God created man perfect, and in that perfection man had his own freewill and intelligence, so man was and is capable of making his own decisions. Adam was not a mistake, you nor I are mistakes, but it grieves the Lord when we DECIDE to turn on Him and hate Him.
@evanom2 "for it repenteth me that I have made them." No matter how you try to evade it, it is clear by the language that he felt he made a mistake, which is peculiar for a supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing god. And if he really IS all knowing, then he KNEW man would fall short of his expectations, so why would he then repent making man? I know you won't acknowledge the obvious inconsistencies because doing so would undermine the foundations of your chosen delusion.
@GermanChocolateCake No mistake. The word repenteth means laws of justice & karma apply, and when some fail these conditions, it is a sad day. The Creator is not affected by anything ['I am the Lord I have not changed']. Its like a parent punishing a child and feels sad about it. Gramma was introduced in the Hebrew bible, which is the first alphabetical book - we must take the most sensible path when reading.
@evanom2 After all, if I were in complete control and knowledge of something and knew that by making it and setting it in motion, a certain result would without a doubt occur (I am all knowing of it after all), and that I would not favor the result, I would A) choose to do something more favorable, or B) do the thing anyway with no regret, for I already know exactly what will transpire, and thus have no reason to be unduly disappointed in the result, since it is only doing exactly what I expect.
@GermanChocolateCake you obviously don't know what "result" it is that your even talking about. If you would like to see God's "result" in creating man, skip to the Apocalypse and read about the millions upon millions of people who will be with Him, loving and adoring Him for all eternity. This is what He has always wanted, He wants His children to love Him because He loves them so. Why you stop in Genesis and consider THAT the "result" is beyond me. I guess we all have our "chosen delusions".
@evanom2 He's had many "results" in his efforts with man according to your scriptures. Frankly most of them are bad (I'd call wiping out nearly everything with a flood pretty unpleasant results). Furthermore, all poetry aside, if you consider the apocalypse of revelations where millions, even billions die to a god's wrath to be a positive event, I have to call in to question your moral fiber, no less your god's moral and ethical soundness (which sane people question just reading the bible).
@evanom2 Besides which, why NOT stop at genesis? When a god has demonstrated such poor judgement and capriciousness in the first section of a book, one doesn't need to read much more to have gotten a fair grasp of his character. I don't really need more than "humans were a mistake, I think I'll drown them all" to know all I care to about your god's nature. "Love me or DIE" (and burn and suffer and weep) is not a very compelling pick-up line.
@GermanChocolateCake Revisions are only on the translations, not on original hebrew/greek. Hebrew law and Jesus salvation act are one and the same, not different (i.e. OLD testament versus NEW)
The Bible as historical support? The same book that said Egypt held Israelites, Darius the Mede conquered Babylon, Herod the Great wanted baby Jesus dead, Caesar Augustus ordering a census that didn't take place around the given time of Jesus' supposed birth, and Christ being born in a town that wasn't a functioning town around that supposed time?
According to the bible, Mary and Joseph traveled to Betlehem to be registered at a census. A couple of things. Mary and Joseph were not Roman, so why would they have to go to a Roman census? Only Romans were acquired to do so.
Second there were no census being held in the Roman empire at the time of Jesus birth.
this caller is a real disgrace to Christians such as my self, its almost embarrassing. i laughed when he described his justification of believing in the bible as 'Ive read it and examined it therefore its correct'. its hilarious! so much anti-intellectualism!
@CenkIsAdorable Not sure what your implying, that I'm gay? I was just saying it's funny how anton lavey had a bald head and goatee and so do these guys, that's all.
The bible is a storybook. That has been passed down from many years. Any person could easily interpret the story wrong. Warp it and twist it to their liking. Then tell the future genreations. Knowing this biblical fact can not be trusted. Religion is based on BELIEF alone and not of FACT at all.
@kaxitaksi Evolution comes from Genesis: the first grouping of life forms, with the host seed [chip] containing the program data what offspring will result. Evolution fails without the seed factor. We have over 70% of the Hebrew bible scientifically proven - no other document can make such a claim. Genesis is also the first writings which said the universe is finite - there was a BEGINNING.
@ELVISCHALLENGE Can you direct me to that "scientifical" proof so I can read it? Probably not, coz there is no such proof at all, just wishful thinking and new make belief. Evolution don't fail without any "seed factor", thats just another wishful brain construct to make this valid and it's that construct that fails. Have a look at AronRa's excellent videos on the subject. He will explain it all to you.
@kaxitaksi One of the earliest figures [3,200 years] is David, proven as a real historical figure [Tel Dan discovery]. Re Evolution: Genesis says the offsrping inherets traits from the host seed; there is no evolution w/o the host seed, which acts like a chip. Genesis is not wishful thinking: it introduced the DAY & WEEK, the oldest active calendar, alphabetical books and all Judiciary laws. It is the most mysterious and advanced document humanity possesses.
@ELVISCHALLENGE No one can prove a certain individual was living 3000+ years ago, thats just ridiculous. Just coz it's in an old book does not mean it's "proof". You should not believe everything you think, redo, rethink and educate urself. Go to AronRa's channel and check his videos. This creation and intelligent design is debunked beyond all recognition and has no place in our society so stop buy into this shit once and for all coz thats just what it is: bullshit and lies!
@ELVISCHALLENGE Right because if something claims to introduce an idea clearly it is without question true right? Because obviously people don't steal ideas and lie when writing things to fool others... I mean it's not like the bible is or ever has been used for control via political power.... oh wait.
David is not proven, period. The Tel Dan discovery only found tablets that wrote about David... how does someone being written about prove their existance? If 2 thousand years in the future(cont)
@ELVISCHALLENGE (cont)if we dig up a newspaper talking about spiderman does that prove spiderman is real? No? Then your referenced discovery proves nothing.
Yes, there is evolution. You prove a book is right just because it says it is, you have to compare it to outside studies. We can WITNESS simple evolution in bacteria and viruses, hell we can even cause a form of it through things like selective breeding.
@ELVISCHALLENGE "Genesis is also the first writings which said the universe is finite - there was a BEGINNING." Thats some statement! u have any proof? Actually, no one can tell for sure if there was a beginning or if there was not and to make such a statement is like claiming there is a supernatural being hiding somewhere, a God. There's no proof for that either.
@kaxitaksi You must read what you make charges about. Genesis opens with a cosmological creational chapter, its first verse says there was a 'BEGINNING' when the universe was created. From a scientific view, there is no alternative to creationism. Today's atheistic sciences have a problem with religions - but the science is on Genesis' side.
@ELVISCHALLENGE You gotta be kiddin me!! Creation "theory" is beyond all the stupid collected in the world! Science is was u relay on daily, but when dark come u fall back on those ancient myths. U need to wake up and wake up fast! Bible is the greatest hoax ever put in place and u are buying intp that brain shrinking shit. All ur pastors know this and they use this to make easy money out of people like u, don't u make no mistake about that my friend.
@ELVISCHALLENGE No it's not. Because Genesis does not claim a begging of all things as you then have God that has no begging explained. To simplify it, justifying that everything has to have a begging would make a creator impossible as it would have to have a creator and the creators creator would have to have a creator, etc, etc, and you find yourself in an infinite loop WITHOUT a beginning.
@ELVISCHALLENGE No it's not Genesis preaches geocentricity. "Science is on Genesis' side," name instances where this is the case. The universe had a beginning or BEGINNING, to emphasize it further, is proof that Genesis is correct? Well Chaos was the beginning according to ancient Greeks, and Ymirs dead body created the earth according to Norse Mythology, why are these beginnings incorrect? Norse Mythology has as much verisimility to it as your Genesis if all we are factoring is a beginning.
I hate to point this out to you, but, the bible also states that the world is flat. Also, states that that the earth is the center of the universe. Also, states that the earth is set upon 4 pillars and doesn't move. If that is scientific to you..I suggest you learn more about this planet, space and about the earth's rotation...not to mention about the sun and other planets rotations. Sorry, but, as far as the bible being scientific...it fails miserably.
Ah yes, the vapid assertion that my beef with ALL religion, not just Christianity, is because I must hate your invisible friend. Yet another artard that doesn't get that one can't hate what one doesn't believe exists.
As for the DOZENS of contradictions in the Bible...you know, there is this thing called Google. One quick search yields a slew of 'em.
Oh, and let's not forget how Matthew 27:46-50, Luke 23:46 and John 19:30 all give three different versions of what Jesus's last words were.
And let's not forget how the Bible says there was a global flood millennia ago, but there's no geological evidence to support such a claim. And how the Bible insists the Earth and all life on it magically poofed into existence some 6000 years ago, yet everything points to a 4.5 billion year old Earth, and life evolved on it for 3.8 billion years.
And I guess there's no chance Jesus said what Matthew, Luke and John said huh? If He did, that wouldn't be a contradiction. I'm sure if you look you'll find plenty of evidence for a global flood and please tell me where the Bible says the Earth is some 6000 years old because that's definitely news to me.
The point is that the Bible gives THREE different versions of what Jesus's last words were, dumbshit. Not all of them can be right.
Oh, and geologists and paleontologists the world over have decades' worth of scientific research, and none of it points to any global flood. Nothing in the fossil record or geographic strata or ice core samples. But thousands of minds brilliant enough to earn PhDs can't compare with the writings of goatherders who didn't know what atoms and bacteria are, right?
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You're ignorance still stinks loudly, it's three different PARTS of what He said, not different versions. Science and it's books are always having to be revised, rethought, but not the Bible buddy, because it's perfect truth, that's why it hasn't changed in thousands of years. Why don't you just seek God with a sincere heart and you will find Him. He will change your life like He did mine.
You actually think that when scientists are forced to amend theories when new evidence comes along...it indicates the whole system is bunk? That willing to change your mind when new evidence is presented, instead of stubbornly clinging to an idea that's been discredited, stinks of ignorance?
This is why I abhor religion. Religious freaks make blind faith, NOT knowing, willful ignorance, to be a VIRTUE.
Thank you for another textbook example of projection.
For the record, those three passages from three different books all give a different version of Jesus's last words, not different parts.
As for seeking your sky daddy, I've been down that road and have nothing to show for it. No thank you. And the reason I don't seek your invisible friend is because I do have a sincere heart. I've seen what blind faith and willful ignorance can do, and refuse to take part in it. And why would I open my heart to what your Bible portrays as a genocidal monster?
Damn straight many atheists are experts on the Bible. Many are ex-Christians, or were simply turned off from Christianity because they DID read the Bible and were rightfully horrified by the moral vacuum found within.
And I find it amusing that instead of trying to counter my previous points, you just say you'll appeal to your invisible friend. Yet another reason I balk at religions. Prayer means simply hoping and waiting for something to happen instead of MAKING things happen yourself.
don't forget the fact that NONE of the apostles were actually at the crucifixion... they were all in hiding... so how would they have known what he said??
Oh that's right... only John says he was there with Mary (jesus mom), Mary Magdelaine, and Mary (mary's sister??) Anyway... Only John says he was there... Luke says they all stood afar...
The Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). The list goes on and on. The Old Testament is no longer in effect some might say. Perhaps they should read where Jesus makes it clear: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
@4me2cclearly I ignore that "OT is no longer in effect" argument. So what? It still means that God who supposedly loves us so much, would have ordered rapes, kidnapping and murder, etc at any point for any reason. The NT does not change what God is alleged to have done.
That is simply not true. Jesus said in this book, that the world will pass away before the lest letter of the word of god become invalid. In Luke I believe. I can find it for you if you need.
I think it is a matter of picking and choosing. Many Christian show an intolerance for homosexuals, from a verse in the old test, yet have they stoned there children for being disobedient? I think people just pick and chose what ever make them comfortable, and supports your views
@4me2cclearly I think I worded it wrong by saying "so what" there, I wasn't saying it to you, I was saying it to people who say "the OT is no longer in effect". I know that Jesus said that, I was just saying that even if Jesus blatantly said "You are no longer under those laws" it wouldn't matter because the evil of the OT God is still there no matter what.
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
That's a lot of statistical analysis required for a book that is supposed to be key to the salvation of the soul.There is not enough H20 on the planet to rise above the highest mountains.
well jesus said that the people standing in front of him wouldn't die until they saw the second coming.......now , unless you are willing to accept that there are a bunch of 2000 yr old people shambling around waiting to lay their eyes on a zombie, i guess that's one thing the bible may have been a little off about...XD
@xynth101088 Are you being serious? Even intelligent atheist understand some of the factual evidence in the Bible. However, here you go: The finding of Mt. Sinai exactly where the bible stated. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. Do research please, atheist or not you have to realize the reality of what you are talking about. There are two for you.
@bnorton09wouedu Neither of those are prophesies. People in the biblical times were around the mt sinai area so pretty likely they would either know where it was or get lucky. And the second is self fulfilling. Also easily done if people are motivated cause it said good things will happen in their holy book.
@xynth101088 both of them are prophecies. it happened in 1967 and the bible stated it would. self fulfilling? you mean coincidence? you cant deny it, stop trying
@bnorton09wouedu That is exactly my point because the bible stated it is the reason the "prophecy" was fulfilled. True prophecy doesn't work like that. A true prophecy will be exact without a chance of people interfering and forcing it to come true. Like for instance. My prophecy is that a meteor will hit Florida on February 22 of 2222. Now if this happens it would be a prophecy because it is specific and can't be interfered with in anyway. Nothing specific like this is anyway were in the bible.
@xynth101088 That is what happened 686 times. You say people cannot interfere, however because they found the prophecy to be true physically they interfered, and is not true? the people of 2222 that see the meteor hit will be interfering with true prophecy then EVERY person sees the scientific evidence of the bible besides you so far This is a first for me I am constantly talking with people and even the non believers can see the reality of the situation. I think Im done, we are getting no where
@bnorton09wouedu What happened 686 times? A true prophecy can't be interfered with so no. This is the line that you lost me, but I'll try to answer. I see no possible way a meteor can be interfered with...even if people see it, and I'm not sure how the bible relates. Also what science in the bible? Have you read the bible or even have any idea the time frame of it? All scientific advances were after the bronze age which is the era of your bible. So its simply not possible.
@bnorton09wouedu But if there is please tell me why they didn't use these wonderful science in the biblical times instead of resorting to very odd rituals to get rid of ordinary things. And lastly. I guess I should be honored that I'm the first critical thinking atheist you have encountered. But I highly doubt it since we are both on youtube and talking on an atheist experience video.
The bible and religion are a joke. All religions and belief systems are lying to you! Religion and belief systems are obsolete and have been for over 1000 years. Religion is for money and to control the sheeples. I also know there is a wonderful, eternal, spiritual after life as I have died before (NDE) and have seen the wonderful other side. The prime creator made our souls. We are eternal spiritual beings having a human existence for learning.
"Near death" is not "death." Death is permanant. Nobody "comes back" from death. To claim some spiritual knowledge via some NDE is of the same value of every psychic reading... worthless.
Everyone should ask themselves why Thucydides was given the characterization ''the father of the historical method'' while Herodotus wasn't.. Then you have your answer why the Bible is NOT a historical document... Maybe a historical scource, but definately NOT a historical document...
You're absolutely right. It isn't circular reasoning.
But are those the premises and steps you take to get to your conclusion? I am asking this because steps 3 and 4 contradict each other.
I know that you are trying to distinguish the different kinds of jewish tribes, but your reason for belief seems to be that the bible was written in the tribe that believed, which was separate from the others.
all i can say is, well of course it was. but them believing still doesn't mean validity
Everyone that was a jew would stick to the laws of the jews.
blasphemers would be crucified. non-believers would be hung. and so on.
there were plenty of sceptics. Even pontius Pilate was a sceptic . in his letters (which are in a museum in eorope) , he states that the jews handed over Jesus to him to decide whether or not he lived.
Maybe jesus staged his miracles. maybe he staged the ressurections , the healings ,the walking on water.
No . The bible is true because it exists because the jews of the tribe that jesus was in allowed people to write the bible , therefore it must be true.
I don't think its the only way. It would be very easy for a desert religious movement to develope their own writings.
And the adherents did face persecution. And a lot of people didn't believe it.
"I base my faith on the fact that Jews would have killed anyone that even spoke blasphemies let alone wrote them."
First of all thats kind of a dark assumption to make with complete certainty. And if the Jews were okay with the NT because they thought it was true...wouldn't they be christians?
I haven't read that passage, haha, but I highly doubt that the old testament (the book of the jews) would specifically say that the jews would kill jesus. don't you think if it did someone would have been like, "hey, it says here we're going to crucify this guy...the guy we've been waiting for...are we really gonna crucify him?"
and the jews didn't crucify him anyways
If most of the jews didn't believe then the new testament would have been blasphemy and your proof doesn't hold
Jesus was wanted dead by the romans too. He spoke out against what rome stood for. My point is that its not fair to put it all on the jews. And that you're wrong that the old testament said jews would kill him. And most importantly that your original argument that started this debate does not hold true.
Also , before i became a Christian I was trying to decide which religion seemed the most correct.
To me , Christianity seemed correct because other religions would claim something impossible.
there wasn't a city in north america like joseph smith said. catholicism is incorrect because of the fact that God said it is a sin to worship other people as their father or a son to God.
Judaism looked like a good religion to join , but i found something with more evidence , Christianity.
if 50 % of all the authors came together to a place without being noticed , and actually start to write a blasphemous book , they would be found out so quickly.
Therefore the bible must be true.
The only way for people to write such a thing is if it really happened.
Ever heard of Greek Mythology? Your "proof" applies here as well.
Since that was written down with such consistency of characters and narrative that was true as well? Many of the events of these tales had historically accurate roots, but the embellishments force us to take the record with a grain of salt.
I'm sure a greek mystic would find judaism to be a misinterpretation as well.
Regardless, the bible WAS a blasphemous book for its time. Every religious text that has ever been written has been seen as equally blasphemous by everyone besides its few beginning adherents.
Writing a book that dissagrees doesn't prove anything because so many have been written, and we all know that they can't all be right.
Your point had nothing to do with what will be, or what was, but about the conditions of the time period. You said that if the bible was blasphemous, it would have been found out. It wasn't found it. So it wasn't blasphemous.
someone who was caught writing something blasphemous would be executed immediately.
Something must have happened for the government to allow such a book to be written .because no one murdered the people who wrote the book. and if no one murdered the people who wrote the book there must have been some agreement whther or not the bible is true.
I must argue your approach and strategy. If ppl have interpert Bibble, Quran, whatever, with -THEIR OWN- peacefull perspective, peacefull preconception, and it help them be more human and peacefull, i think let them be. The goal should be having the best of the best condition possible. One step at a time. If its the best thing somebody will ever acomplish then its reality we must face. What we should currently focus on is the dogma that holding ppl from using free interpertation of the text.
life is too short to always wondering about the next life, or the end of life. I don't want to put my kid through those days of the story of a man being nailed to the crucifix, or story of eternal punishment. That's like a horror story to a kid. Let your kid be peaceful and enjoy his/her life and decide on their own. Anyone objects, please watch jesus camp
Actually, I think it's good to encourage your kid to ask those kinds of questions. But just make sure that you don't make your kid ask them only so that you can tell them what you think the answer is.
and well okay "atheist" since you are all about evidence..where's the missing links for evolution? if you guys want to ban religion you have to come up with a better philosophy..evolution has insufficient evidence
vicesquad08, obviously you have a computer, so google "transitional fossils" and you will be overwhelmed with examples. The "Tiktaalik" is just one of them.
To purposely not acquire or seek-out information that is easily accessible is a form of INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.
Isn't there something in your religion about acting morally???
atheism is simply lacking a belief in god. it is not believing in evolution. it doesn't deal with morals. its a state of non-belief, and a state of honesty with oneself in that non-belief, nothing more. I agree that evolution should back itself up (but i think it has done a pretty good job, and is only improving all the time). I agree that atheists should find strong moral philosophies. But atheism is nothing to prove or defend. its an admittance of what no alternative has proven or defended
r u saying atheists have no moral understanding.. To my understanding, most of the deathly genocide or war are a direct result of the religious war waged by these books that we all know are made by mankind? and yeah vicessquad08, go search for transitional fossils. I'm not an atheist but i'm not one of those who blindly follow faith either. It's too unreasonable for me.. I like to believe in something i can reasonably understand 'his' existence. That's my opinion
i was simply saying that atheism in itself doesn't have to do with morals. lacking a certain belief may have an impact on how an individual behaves, but morals themselves are not directly correlated with moral understanding.
to answer your question, no thats not what I'm saying. I think think that all sane humans have a moral understanding. It's the degree to which we apply and value these internal morals and intellectual ethics that determines how we live our lives. We think kinda the same
Atheism is so stupid, and this video proves it.
ProtestantsRUs 4 weeks ago
I don't see how anyone can claim that there is no evidence against a god. Of course there is. Here's one thing that pisses me off to this day. Has anyone noticed that references in the bible, are absolutely true, and literal... until science disproves it... Then, suddenly EVERYONE knows this was just a metaphor! Sure. We all know how barbarians goat herders are known for their lyrical prose.
skywize 1 month ago
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rom116rom 2 months ago
Well WE, bla bla bla, and THEY bla bla bla. Do you see what has been done to you?
derman077 3 months ago
i just love how most atheists sit here and say how they dislike religion but it is the number one thing they talk about oh the irony. let me make a point know matter how much you dislike something it is gonna always gonna always be s there atheist can cry about religion and ignorant christians can babble on and on but with no result. but, to be honest myself as a catholic i tend to keep to myself about things and rather than be an ignorant christian lets try to be sensible.
MrBiblical 3 months ago
@MrBiblical If American money said "In Santa We Trust", or if young Americans marched off to war believing that they go to the North Pole and play with toys forever if they die in battle, or if people prayed to Santa to bring them insulin for their diabetic child instead of going to the doctor, or if businesses avoided paying their fair share of taxes on donations and book sales because they claim they were working for Santa, I would fight SantaClaustianity. Ignoring the problem won't solve it.
ndrthrdr1 3 months ago
Atheists generally tend to be real nasty - especially on comments sections like this. It's kind of like kick the cat. Atheists are one of the most despised kind of people in America. To publicly claim to be an atheist can not bring the best to you in this country. So, they take it all out on people who believe in God. Kick the cat.
pmoyer50 4 months ago
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God is a spirit, an immaterial conscious being. All things in the universe consists of matter and/or energy, so if God isn't matter, is energy by definition. Energy is the capacity to do work, is eternal, omnipresent, wasn't created and can't be destroyed, can create matter, was the only thing present before the BB, and the energy required to make the universe must had been powerful. All these match Biblical descriptions of God. He wants us to elevate our consciousness to the next level, is real
dejesusluisx 4 months ago
Why can't believers understand this basic idea? Theists make a claim. ("There's a god.") Atheists merely reject that claim. If every theist suddenly disappeared, nobody would be claiming there's a god, and thus, atheists wouldn't be saying ANYTHING. Without a claim of god from theists to reject, there is no atheist message!
If everyone on Earth was a theist, everyone's claim would be "There is a god."
If everyone on Earth was an atheist, nobody would be claiming anything about a god.
paxpaul 5 months ago
How can any religious person (especially Christian) watch these videos and ignore the sound argument and valid points raised against their beliefs. I watch Matt present a solid, clear and sane argument, then marvel at the stubborn arrogance and sheer defiant stupidity that still remains in the comments and with the callers. It must have been the same for those who tried to suggest that the earth was not flat and were met with the same faith based, brain dead, ignorance.
shimwah 6 months ago
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shimwah 6 months ago
@qynsar Please name a contemporary historical document that realates to Jesus's existance, please.
CallMeRiverton 8 months ago
There are greek historians that have given account of Christ and christains.Do athiests believe those historians?Is there sufficient proof for any ancient history?How do we know for a fact that the even the civil war accounts are true?What about the holocausts?I have met people who dont believe in the moon landings.I have no way of proving that it happend.Ive seen the video footage but that could have been done in a studio.The burden of proof is on Athiest as well to prove the origin of existanc
qynsar 8 months ago
@qynsar "There are greek historians that have given account of Christ and christains. Do athiests believe those historians?"
I would have to read these accounts first. Where can I find these documents?
"The burden of proof is on Athiest as well to prove the origin of existanc"
No. It isn't. Atheism has nothing to do with the origin of existence. The burden of proof is on the theist to prove the existence of god. That is all.
VesusSheist 8 months ago
@qynsar
"There are greek historians that have given account of Christ and christains"
Actually there are historians who refer to early Christian followers.
Not from Jesus' lifetime.
Now there are also historians who refer to early Mormon followers. There are accounts of people cutting off their nuts in the Heaven's Gate compound
Simply recording there were followers doesn't mean the stories are true.
boyinthedrain 7 months ago
@qynsar
"How do we know for a fact that even the civil war accounts are true?"
There are many contemporary and independent accounts of the events that match up. Accounts written by the Union AND the Confederacy. Accounts written by soldiers, politicians and generals that match up
"I have met people who dont believe in the moon landings"
I have met people who saw Elvis.
"that could have been done in a studio"
Sure. But all evidence points to there being a rocket and a lander.
boyinthedrain 7 months ago
@qynsar
"The burden of proof is on Athiest as well to prove the origin of existanc"
And atheist is saying "I don't know the origin of existence."
A claim isn't being made
boyinthedrain 7 months ago
@boyinthedrain
That's the point atheists arent making a claim they are denying one
jfeltes2 6 months ago
@jfeltes2
Bingo
boyinthedrain 6 months ago
@qynsar science is trying to find the answer but what has got to do with your imaginary friend you are one claiming magic so the the burden of proof is all yours sunshine
Tony2438 7 months ago
Ok but does everyone who believes anything and I'm not talking about religion right now just believe it because of sufficient evidence. Does someone believe going to the park is fun because of sufficient evidence, does one believe that they love someone because of sufficient evidence?
snoopval 9 months ago
I think I might start selling bridges.
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Xigano1 11 months ago
A book, by definition, cannot be perfect. A book is artificial by nature, a representation by nature, man made by nature. To believe a book is perfectly true is idiotic--especially a book filled with narrative contradictions and logical contradictions.
greyeyed123 1 year ago 5
The Gospels say that. The term bible is made arrogantly, assuming it includes the Hebrew bible - which does not say that. The Hebrew bible is based on majestic laws of equality and deeds, not names.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
A Prophesy is when a date and time is given - else its not a prophesy, and most probably a retrospective manipulation. This is specially true when there are no contemporary evidences available. Think about it then reject it.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
Please forgive me but alot of you youtubers are complete idiots, no-one ever likes to discuss the many prophecies that came true that were written only in the bible and no where else. If Jesus came and flew most of you up to heaven for a day, the majority of you would say it didn't happen or make up some lame explanation for it. Then again the bible says that the majority is going to hell, God Bless!!
chica0616 1 year ago
@chica0616 What verifiable evidence can you present to support your belief that a god exists ? Did Jesus fly you up to heaven ? Or is your belief based only on scripture & blind faith ?
tranquility4all 1 year ago
@chica0616 Did the Bible really state that the majority is going to Hell? Where did it say so?
nowayout001 1 year ago
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@nowayout001 "Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."
tron81 1 year ago
@chica0616 prophecies can not be considered evidence for anything, and it does not matter if they were exclusive to one religion. Think about why this is the case. Then please let me know what you think.
Snorglat 1 year ago
the bible cant even explain how to make a damn paperplane let alone the truth of life mysteries
Gamahlee 1 year ago
@Gamahlee however you can make paper airplanes from the pages
andfan18 1 year ago
@Gamahlee "The Bible can't even explain..." Nope, it just DIDN'T explain. Well, a psychologist may not be able to explain many mathematical models used in advanced maths, but she should be able to explain human behaviour to an extent.
nowayout001 1 year ago
It really baffles me how someone could hold such an "important" belief based on there not being any current evidence to prove it wrong. I wish some people would evenly apply their own standards across the board.
PosFlow 1 year ago
@PosFlow "There not being any current evidence to prove it wrong" is not the basis of anyone's belief (unless that person is a rare case of true insanity). It is only one of the many justifications, if a person truly agrees that his belief has been proven wrong, he wouldn't believe in it any more. Since he has yet to see the proof with his own eyes, his belief is still not proven to be wrong and so it is okay for him to remain believing.
nowayout001 1 year ago
@nowayout001 I actually forgot what we're talking about in the larger context, but as to your comment, there are plenty of people that believe things that have been proven wrong. They just don't want to see it, because they WANT it to be true.
PosFlow 1 year ago
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I get it Matt, you are dealing with people that have a mental problem.
holio84 1 year ago
In fact if God is all powerful, and all knowing, why did he decide he had made a mistake and wiped nearly everything he made out except Noah and his impossible farm-boat?
Seems like an all powerful, all knowing god with a plan wouldn't have the need to hit the reset button so often, in fact he wouldn't NEED a reset button.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake He didn't make a mistake, man did. Not a reset button, a continuation without the evil of that known world.
evanom2 1 year ago
@evanom2
6:6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
6:7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.
Sounds to me like he was pretty convinced he made a mistake. Nobody repents for something done right. I've never heard of anyone saying "I'm sorry I did it right."
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake If you have a son, give him a great upbringing and education, do everything perfect, but later as an adult he akes bad decisions, becomes a crackhead serial killer/rapist... did you make the mistake or did he?
God created man perfect, and in that perfection man had his own freewill and intelligence, so man was and is capable of making his own decisions. Adam was not a mistake, you nor I are mistakes, but it grieves the Lord when we DECIDE to turn on Him and hate Him.
evanom2 1 year ago
@evanom2 "for it repenteth me that I have made them." No matter how you try to evade it, it is clear by the language that he felt he made a mistake, which is peculiar for a supposedly all-powerful, all-knowing god. And if he really IS all knowing, then he KNEW man would fall short of his expectations, so why would he then repent making man? I know you won't acknowledge the obvious inconsistencies because doing so would undermine the foundations of your chosen delusion.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake No mistake. The word repenteth means laws of justice & karma apply, and when some fail these conditions, it is a sad day. The Creator is not affected by anything ['I am the Lord I have not changed']. Its like a parent punishing a child and feels sad about it. Gramma was introduced in the Hebrew bible, which is the first alphabetical book - we must take the most sensible path when reading.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Laws of justice and KARMA? Wow, now you're mixing theologies. Were you aware that you aren't making sense?
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@evanom2 After all, if I were in complete control and knowledge of something and knew that by making it and setting it in motion, a certain result would without a doubt occur (I am all knowing of it after all), and that I would not favor the result, I would A) choose to do something more favorable, or B) do the thing anyway with no regret, for I already know exactly what will transpire, and thus have no reason to be unduly disappointed in the result, since it is only doing exactly what I expect.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake you obviously don't know what "result" it is that your even talking about. If you would like to see God's "result" in creating man, skip to the Apocalypse and read about the millions upon millions of people who will be with Him, loving and adoring Him for all eternity. This is what He has always wanted, He wants His children to love Him because He loves them so. Why you stop in Genesis and consider THAT the "result" is beyond me. I guess we all have our "chosen delusions".
evanom2 1 year ago
@evanom2 He's had many "results" in his efforts with man according to your scriptures. Frankly most of them are bad (I'd call wiping out nearly everything with a flood pretty unpleasant results). Furthermore, all poetry aside, if you consider the apocalypse of revelations where millions, even billions die to a god's wrath to be a positive event, I have to call in to question your moral fiber, no less your god's moral and ethical soundness (which sane people question just reading the bible).
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago 7
@evanom2 Besides which, why NOT stop at genesis? When a god has demonstrated such poor judgement and capriciousness in the first section of a book, one doesn't need to read much more to have gotten a fair grasp of his character. I don't really need more than "humans were a mistake, I think I'll drown them all" to know all I care to about your god's nature. "Love me or DIE" (and burn and suffer and weep) is not a very compelling pick-up line.
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago 3
@evanom2 well yes your dictator wants you to love him not matter how many wars, famine etc he causes
painsey 1 year ago
If god is all powerful, all knowing, and has a plan, why'd he have to revise it and change gears from Hebrew Law to the Jesus Salvation Act?
GermanChocolateCake 1 year ago
@GermanChocolateCake Revisions are only on the translations, not on original hebrew/greek. Hebrew law and Jesus salvation act are one and the same, not different (i.e. OLD testament versus NEW)
evanom2 1 year ago
The Bible as historical support? The same book that said Egypt held Israelites, Darius the Mede conquered Babylon, Herod the Great wanted baby Jesus dead, Caesar Augustus ordering a census that didn't take place around the given time of Jesus' supposed birth, and Christ being born in a town that wasn't a functioning town around that supposed time?
HybridD91 1 year ago
the bible is basically 2000 year old science. Get rid of it!
TC19920 1 year ago
@TC19920 It wasnt even science. It discussed a talking snake?? A great flood with an arc ?? Too many untruths.
MrJohnnyrace 1 year ago
Argument from ignorance FTW!
SeanathenII 1 year ago
Okay, 1 example.
According to the bible, Mary and Joseph traveled to Betlehem to be registered at a census. A couple of things. Mary and Joseph were not Roman, so why would they have to go to a Roman census? Only Romans were acquired to do so.
Second there were no census being held in the Roman empire at the time of Jesus birth.
baldurus1 1 year ago
Hail Mary
Áve María, grátia pléna, Dóminus técum. Benedícta tu in muliéribus, et benedíctus frúctus véntris túi, Iésus.
Sáncta María, Máter Déi, óra pro nóbis peccatóribus, nunc et in hóra mórtis nóstrae. Ámen.
black404go 1 year ago
this caller is a real disgrace to Christians such as my self, its almost embarrassing. i laughed when he described his justification of believing in the bible as 'Ive read it and examined it therefore its correct'. its hilarious! so much anti-intellectualism!
slayer987633 1 year ago
people who let believes and faith define their reality, dont care about something as trivial as "evidence and facts"!
alexhansen1 2 years ago 5
Hey, leprechauns don't steal socks out of the dryer. It's the Menehunes that do that. lol
Kailoa36 2 years ago
LOL a couple of bald guys with goatees, these guys are awesome though.
downfan1 2 years ago 24
I know...they both look like Michael Stipe.
Regardless these guys Rock.
farnium 2 years ago 5
@downfan1 Is a bald head and goatee like the atheist equivalent of the gay handshake?
CenkIsAdorable 7 months ago
@CenkIsAdorable Not sure what your implying, that I'm gay? I was just saying it's funny how anton lavey had a bald head and goatee and so do these guys, that's all.
downfan1 7 months ago
@downfan1 .....Joke flew right over your head. Never mind.
CenkIsAdorable 7 months ago
caller was dumb
TheJesusSucks 2 years ago 10
lol @ leprechaun's stealing socks out of my dryer
luker4459 2 years ago
The bible is a storybook. That has been passed down from many years. Any person could easily interpret the story wrong. Warp it and twist it to their liking. Then tell the future genreations. Knowing this biblical fact can not be trusted. Religion is based on BELIEF alone and not of FACT at all.
RAWRidigestsyou 2 years ago 2
We have millions of evidence that supports the theory of evolution but nothing that supports what is said in the book. Get over this and get real..
kaxitaksi 2 years ago 60
@kaxitaksi Are you sure that there really is no archaelogical or historical findings that supports any of the contents in the Bible?
nowayout001 1 year ago
@nowayout001 Yes, very sure of that. Nothing has ever been presented to prove otherwise.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@nowayout001 OMD! This is a real necro one LOL
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi Evolution comes from Genesis: the first grouping of life forms, with the host seed [chip] containing the program data what offspring will result. Evolution fails without the seed factor. We have over 70% of the Hebrew bible scientifically proven - no other document can make such a claim. Genesis is also the first writings which said the universe is finite - there was a BEGINNING.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Can you direct me to that "scientifical" proof so I can read it? Probably not, coz there is no such proof at all, just wishful thinking and new make belief. Evolution don't fail without any "seed factor", thats just another wishful brain construct to make this valid and it's that construct that fails. Have a look at AronRa's excellent videos on the subject. He will explain it all to you.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi One of the earliest figures [3,200 years] is David, proven as a real historical figure [Tel Dan discovery]. Re Evolution: Genesis says the offsrping inherets traits from the host seed; there is no evolution w/o the host seed, which acts like a chip. Genesis is not wishful thinking: it introduced the DAY & WEEK, the oldest active calendar, alphabetical books and all Judiciary laws. It is the most mysterious and advanced document humanity possesses.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE No one can prove a certain individual was living 3000+ years ago, thats just ridiculous. Just coz it's in an old book does not mean it's "proof". You should not believe everything you think, redo, rethink and educate urself. Go to AronRa's channel and check his videos. This creation and intelligent design is debunked beyond all recognition and has no place in our society so stop buy into this shit once and for all coz thats just what it is: bullshit and lies!
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE Right because if something claims to introduce an idea clearly it is without question true right? Because obviously people don't steal ideas and lie when writing things to fool others... I mean it's not like the bible is or ever has been used for control via political power.... oh wait.
David is not proven, period. The Tel Dan discovery only found tablets that wrote about David... how does someone being written about prove their existance? If 2 thousand years in the future(cont)
DarkBunnyLord 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE (cont)if we dig up a newspaper talking about spiderman does that prove spiderman is real? No? Then your referenced discovery proves nothing.
Yes, there is evolution. You prove a book is right just because it says it is, you have to compare it to outside studies. We can WITNESS simple evolution in bacteria and viruses, hell we can even cause a form of it through things like selective breeding.
DarkBunnyLord 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE "Genesis is also the first writings which said the universe is finite - there was a BEGINNING." Thats some statement! u have any proof? Actually, no one can tell for sure if there was a beginning or if there was not and to make such a statement is like claiming there is a supernatural being hiding somewhere, a God. There's no proof for that either.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@kaxitaksi You must read what you make charges about. Genesis opens with a cosmological creational chapter, its first verse says there was a 'BEGINNING' when the universe was created. From a scientific view, there is no alternative to creationism. Today's atheistic sciences have a problem with religions - but the science is on Genesis' side.
ELVISCHALLENGE 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE You gotta be kiddin me!! Creation "theory" is beyond all the stupid collected in the world! Science is was u relay on daily, but when dark come u fall back on those ancient myths. U need to wake up and wake up fast! Bible is the greatest hoax ever put in place and u are buying intp that brain shrinking shit. All ur pastors know this and they use this to make easy money out of people like u, don't u make no mistake about that my friend.
kaxitaksi 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE No it's not. Because Genesis does not claim a begging of all things as you then have God that has no begging explained. To simplify it, justifying that everything has to have a begging would make a creator impossible as it would have to have a creator and the creators creator would have to have a creator, etc, etc, and you find yourself in an infinite loop WITHOUT a beginning.
DarkBunnyLord 1 year ago
@ELVISCHALLENGE No it's not Genesis preaches geocentricity. "Science is on Genesis' side," name instances where this is the case. The universe had a beginning or BEGINNING, to emphasize it further, is proof that Genesis is correct? Well Chaos was the beginning according to ancient Greeks, and Ymirs dead body created the earth according to Norse Mythology, why are these beginnings incorrect? Norse Mythology has as much verisimility to it as your Genesis if all we are factoring is a beginning.
jagexisthedevil 9 months ago
I hate to point this out to you, but, the bible also states that the world is flat. Also, states that that the earth is the center of the universe. Also, states that the earth is set upon 4 pillars and doesn't move. If that is scientific to you..I suggest you learn more about this planet, space and about the earth's rotation...not to mention about the sun and other planets rotations. Sorry, but, as far as the bible being scientific...it fails miserably.
PyschoChaser 2 years ago 4
-Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE of the Earth"
-Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the Earth upon NOTHING."
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
Circle =/= Sphere. Classic Christard fail.
megagrey 2 years ago
you can't have a sphere without a circle, and that shows The Bible doesn't say the Earth is square like some people claim.
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
One passage refers to the Earth being a circle (which is, again, NOT a sphere), while others refer to the planet having corners.
The Bible contradicting itself...surprise surprise. It's as if your invisible friend can't make up his fucking mind.
megagrey 2 years ago
There's no contradictions my friend-that's talking about the four directions-N,S,E and W. Why are you mad at God, He loves you.
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
Ah yes, the vapid assertion that my beef with ALL religion, not just Christianity, is because I must hate your invisible friend. Yet another artard that doesn't get that one can't hate what one doesn't believe exists.
As for the DOZENS of contradictions in the Bible...you know, there is this thing called Google. One quick search yields a slew of 'em.
megagrey 2 years ago
ok, what's one contradiction?
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
Exodus 15:3 The LORD is a man of war: the LORD is his name.
Romans 15:33 Now the God of peace be with you all. Amen.
megagrey 2 years ago
Oh, and let's not forget how Matthew 27:46-50, Luke 23:46 and John 19:30 all give three different versions of what Jesus's last words were.
And let's not forget how the Bible says there was a global flood millennia ago, but there's no geological evidence to support such a claim. And how the Bible insists the Earth and all life on it magically poofed into existence some 6000 years ago, yet everything points to a 4.5 billion year old Earth, and life evolved on it for 3.8 billion years.
megagrey 2 years ago
And I guess there's no chance Jesus said what Matthew, Luke and John said huh? If He did, that wouldn't be a contradiction. I'm sure if you look you'll find plenty of evidence for a global flood and please tell me where the Bible says the Earth is some 6000 years old because that's definitely news to me.
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
The point is that the Bible gives THREE different versions of what Jesus's last words were, dumbshit. Not all of them can be right.
Oh, and geologists and paleontologists the world over have decades' worth of scientific research, and none of it points to any global flood. Nothing in the fossil record or geographic strata or ice core samples. But thousands of minds brilliant enough to earn PhDs can't compare with the writings of goatherders who didn't know what atoms and bacteria are, right?
megagrey 2 years ago 3
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You're ignorance still stinks loudly, it's three different PARTS of what He said, not different versions. Science and it's books are always having to be revised, rethought, but not the Bible buddy, because it's perfect truth, that's why it hasn't changed in thousands of years. Why don't you just seek God with a sincere heart and you will find Him. He will change your life like He did mine.
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
I am literally laughing at you.
You actually think that when scientists are forced to amend theories when new evidence comes along...it indicates the whole system is bunk? That willing to change your mind when new evidence is presented, instead of stubbornly clinging to an idea that's been discredited, stinks of ignorance?
This is why I abhor religion. Religious freaks make blind faith, NOT knowing, willful ignorance, to be a VIRTUE.
Thank you for another textbook example of projection.
megagrey 2 years ago 2
For the record, those three passages from three different books all give a different version of Jesus's last words, not different parts.
As for seeking your sky daddy, I've been down that road and have nothing to show for it. No thank you. And the reason I don't seek your invisible friend is because I do have a sincere heart. I've seen what blind faith and willful ignorance can do, and refuse to take part in it. And why would I open my heart to what your Bible portrays as a genocidal monster?
megagrey 2 years ago
ok, i'll take it from an expert on the Bible. in the meantime i'm going to pray for you brother.
Ericbranson3 2 years ago
Damn straight many atheists are experts on the Bible. Many are ex-Christians, or were simply turned off from Christianity because they DID read the Bible and were rightfully horrified by the moral vacuum found within.
And I find it amusing that instead of trying to counter my previous points, you just say you'll appeal to your invisible friend. Yet another reason I balk at religions. Prayer means simply hoping and waiting for something to happen instead of MAKING things happen yourself.
megagrey 2 years ago 4
no the bible says that faith without works is dead
homeworksuks 2 years ago
thanks... for praying for us... we will think for you...
chyrd 2 years ago 7
Lo fucking L
Ozzy0sbourne 2 years ago
don't forget the fact that NONE of the apostles were actually at the crucifixion... they were all in hiding... so how would they have known what he said??
Oh that's right... only John says he was there with Mary (jesus mom), Mary Magdelaine, and Mary (mary's sister??) Anyway... Only John says he was there... Luke says they all stood afar...
So it's all BS...
chyrd 2 years ago 3
The Bible allows slavery, including selling your own daughter as a sex slave (Exodus 21:1-11), child abuse (Judges 11:29-40 and Isaiah 13:16), and bashing babies against rocks (Hosea 13:16 & Psalms 137:9). The list goes on and on. The Old Testament is no longer in effect some might say. Perhaps they should read where Jesus makes it clear: "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)
4me2cclearly 2 years ago
@4me2cclearly I ignore that "OT is no longer in effect" argument. So what? It still means that God who supposedly loves us so much, would have ordered rapes, kidnapping and murder, etc at any point for any reason. The NT does not change what God is alleged to have done.
RockBanned 1 year ago
@RockBanned
That is simply not true. Jesus said in this book, that the world will pass away before the lest letter of the word of god become invalid. In Luke I believe. I can find it for you if you need.
I think it is a matter of picking and choosing. Many Christian show an intolerance for homosexuals, from a verse in the old test, yet have they stoned there children for being disobedient? I think people just pick and chose what ever make them comfortable, and supports your views
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
@4me2cclearly I think I worded it wrong by saying "so what" there, I wasn't saying it to you, I was saying it to people who say "the OT is no longer in effect". I know that Jesus said that, I was just saying that even if Jesus blatantly said "You are no longer under those laws" it wouldn't matter because the evil of the OT God is still there no matter what.
RockBanned 1 year ago
@RockBanned
No, you siad it well. The comment was not meant for you. My mistake.
Well said.
4me2cclearly 1 year ago
You would think that Jesus and the New Testament would have a different view of slavery, but slavery is still approved of in the New Testament, as the following passages show. Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)
4me2cclearly 2 years ago 3
Welcome to how the real world works. As or morals evolve so does our laws and views.
Not like your disgusting hand guide to bigotry and hate that claims to be infallible.
What a load of crap.
4me2cclearly 2 years ago 3
That's a lot of statistical analysis required for a book that is supposed to be key to the salvation of the soul.There is not enough H20 on the planet to rise above the highest mountains.
lipoicacid 2 years ago
Hey lipoicacid, what about resveratrol?
GetMeThere1 2 years ago
it must be used in moderation and conjunction with a certain peptide and alternated with a certain plant derivative =D
sonoflipoic 2 years ago
are you serious, about that? the bible being the most scientific book around. if so i would love to hear the reasoning.
violator198666 2 years ago 31
name one thing the bible said was going to come true that hasn't..? there is reasoning
bnorton09wouedu 1 year ago
@bnorton09wouedu
well jesus said that the people standing in front of him wouldn't die until they saw the second coming.......now , unless you are willing to accept that there are a bunch of 2000 yr old people shambling around waiting to lay their eyes on a zombie, i guess that's one thing the bible may have been a little off about...XD
violator198666 1 year ago
@bnorton09wouedu Uh...name one that has?
xynth101088 1 year ago
@xynth101088 Are you being serious? Even intelligent atheist understand some of the factual evidence in the Bible. However, here you go: The finding of Mt. Sinai exactly where the bible stated. Israel must regain the city of Jerusalem-Joel 2:32; Isa 28:14; Ezek 22:19. This happened just as predicted in 1967. Do research please, atheist or not you have to realize the reality of what you are talking about. There are two for you.
bnorton09wouedu 1 year ago
@bnorton09wouedu Neither of those are prophesies. People in the biblical times were around the mt sinai area so pretty likely they would either know where it was or get lucky. And the second is self fulfilling. Also easily done if people are motivated cause it said good things will happen in their holy book.
xynth101088 1 year ago
@xynth101088 both of them are prophecies. it happened in 1967 and the bible stated it would. self fulfilling? you mean coincidence? you cant deny it, stop trying
bnorton09wouedu 1 year ago
@bnorton09wouedu That is exactly my point because the bible stated it is the reason the "prophecy" was fulfilled. True prophecy doesn't work like that. A true prophecy will be exact without a chance of people interfering and forcing it to come true. Like for instance. My prophecy is that a meteor will hit Florida on February 22 of 2222. Now if this happens it would be a prophecy because it is specific and can't be interfered with in anyway. Nothing specific like this is anyway were in the bible.
xynth101088 1 year ago
@xynth101088 That is what happened 686 times. You say people cannot interfere, however because they found the prophecy to be true physically they interfered, and is not true? the people of 2222 that see the meteor hit will be interfering with true prophecy then EVERY person sees the scientific evidence of the bible besides you so far This is a first for me I am constantly talking with people and even the non believers can see the reality of the situation. I think Im done, we are getting no where
bnorton09wouedu 1 year ago
@bnorton09wouedu What happened 686 times? A true prophecy can't be interfered with so no. This is the line that you lost me, but I'll try to answer. I see no possible way a meteor can be interfered with...even if people see it, and I'm not sure how the bible relates. Also what science in the bible? Have you read the bible or even have any idea the time frame of it? All scientific advances were after the bronze age which is the era of your bible. So its simply not possible.
xynth101088 1 year ago
@bnorton09wouedu But if there is please tell me why they didn't use these wonderful science in the biblical times instead of resorting to very odd rituals to get rid of ordinary things. And lastly. I guess I should be honored that I'm the first critical thinking atheist you have encountered. But I highly doubt it since we are both on youtube and talking on an atheist experience video.
xynth101088 1 year ago
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timrocket2008 2 years ago
god bless you too :p
ijaju 2 years ago
The bible and religion are a joke. All religions and belief systems are lying to you! Religion and belief systems are obsolete and have been for over 1000 years. Religion is for money and to control the sheeples. I also know there is a wonderful, eternal, spiritual after life as I have died before (NDE) and have seen the wonderful other side. The prime creator made our souls. We are eternal spiritual beings having a human existence for learning.
Phych101 3 years ago
"Near death" is not "death." Death is permanant. Nobody "comes back" from death. To claim some spiritual knowledge via some NDE is of the same value of every psychic reading... worthless.
DeadlyChinchilla 2 years ago
That guy was unbelievable. He sounded like he had special needs and couldnt understand the conversation.
I bet he doesnt think the Quran is the infallible word of god, but he seemed to have a relentless bias for his own religious beliefs.
cornflakeclusters 3 years ago 4
Most people project an afterlife or god out of their own fear of death.
tryingtobereal 3 years ago 6
What is the difference between this man on the phone and an Islamic extremest? About 6000 miles. OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo
Ryan44567 3 years ago 5
If you don't believe in God, how in the world can you believe in Satan? Or did I misunderstand you?
yippittydoda 3 years ago
It's funny how they use that as a defense, yeah? LOL! Hypocrites.
RewYnd 3 years ago
Everyone should ask themselves why Thucydides was given the characterization ''the father of the historical method'' while Herodotus wasn't.. Then you have your answer why the Bible is NOT a historical document... Maybe a historical scource, but definately NOT a historical document...
ItachiRaikiri 3 years ago
It's not circular reasoning.. circular reasoning would be to say that the bible is true because it says so.
alexross8 3 years ago 2
You're absolutely right. It isn't circular reasoning.
But are those the premises and steps you take to get to your conclusion? I am asking this because steps 3 and 4 contradict each other.
I know that you are trying to distinguish the different kinds of jewish tribes, but your reason for belief seems to be that the bible was written in the tribe that believed, which was separate from the others.
all i can say is, well of course it was. but them believing still doesn't mean validity
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
Everyone that was a jew would stick to the laws of the jews.
blasphemers would be crucified. non-believers would be hung. and so on.
there were plenty of sceptics. Even pontius Pilate was a sceptic . in his letters (which are in a museum in eorope) , he states that the jews handed over Jesus to him to decide whether or not he lived.
Maybe jesus staged his miracles. maybe he staged the ressurections , the healings ,the walking on water.
alexross8 3 years ago
Haha, I think we've pillaged this video with our debate enough. I'll message you.
HMBLjewATurSRVC 3 years ago
yur jewish?
alexross8 3 years ago
However , Herod finds him guilty of nothing and says that he is a fool.
but that doesn't stop the Jewish leaders, who crucify him anyway.
alexross8 3 years ago
Have you given up on your claim that the reason the bible is true is that it exists?
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
No . The bible is true because it exists because the jews of the tribe that jesus was in allowed people to write the bible , therefore it must be true.
alexross8 3 years ago
Let me get this proof of yours straight:
1: The bible exists
2: The people who wrote the bible lived among the Jews
3: Jews were nonbelievers in Christ as the savior of man
4: (inferred premise) Jews would kill anyone they met who wrote about something they didn't believe in, or would at least stop them.
Therefore: The Bible must be true
Is that right?
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
yes.. the believers of jesus were jews , but they were of a different tribe of jews.
the other tribes of jews wanted to see him crucified. years later , the account of Jesus christ was written in the tribe that believed in Christ.
alexross8 3 years ago
look at mormonism .
Joseph smith was trying so hard not to get found out , so he comes up with a rediculous story to prove himself right.
I base my faith on the fact that Jews would have killed anyone that even spoke blasphemies let alone wrote them.
If the people let the authors get away with it there must have been a very good reason... idk like the bible is real.
thats the only way they would have allowed such a piece of literature.
alexross8 3 years ago
I don't think its the only way. It would be very easy for a desert religious movement to develope their own writings.
And the adherents did face persecution. And a lot of people didn't believe it.
"I base my faith on the fact that Jews would have killed anyone that even spoke blasphemies let alone wrote them."
First of all thats kind of a dark assumption to make with complete certainty. And if the Jews were okay with the NT because they thought it was true...wouldn't they be christians?
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
the old testament says that the jews would crucify the child born of a virgin , preach his ministry , be crucified , and be resurrected.
Yes , some jews were converted , but the religion was handed to the gentiles.
most of the jews denied him as the messiah .
only a few jewish people believed him cuz they saw his miracles.
alexross8 3 years ago
I haven't read that passage, haha, but I highly doubt that the old testament (the book of the jews) would specifically say that the jews would kill jesus. don't you think if it did someone would have been like, "hey, it says here we're going to crucify this guy...the guy we've been waiting for...are we really gonna crucify him?"
and the jews didn't crucify him anyways
If most of the jews didn't believe then the new testament would have been blasphemy and your proof doesn't hold
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
Jesus Christ was crucified by the jews.. the bible states the exact places where he was crucified.
He was crucified in a jewish place that had jewish citizens who wanted to see him dead.
I'm not saying that the jews are evil.
Infact , they did it to protect the old testament , which is a good thing. Jesus Christ was Jewish , so i have no problem with jews at all.
alexross8 3 years ago
Jesus was wanted dead by the romans too. He spoke out against what rome stood for. My point is that its not fair to put it all on the jews. And that you're wrong that the old testament said jews would kill him. And most importantly that your original argument that started this debate does not hold true.
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
The jewish leaders handed jesus over to the roman empire
Jesus wasn't wanted dead by Pilate.
In fact , he wanted jesus to live so he offered the jews a choice.
either free Barabbas the serial killer or free Jesus Christ the self proclaimed messiah.
the crowd screamed "free barabbas" and "crucify Jesus"
Pilate didn't want anything to do with him so he gave him to Herod , who has authority over Galileans
alexross8 3 years ago
Also , before i became a Christian I was trying to decide which religion seemed the most correct.
To me , Christianity seemed correct because other religions would claim something impossible.
there wasn't a city in north america like joseph smith said. catholicism is incorrect because of the fact that God said it is a sin to worship other people as their father or a son to God.
Judaism looked like a good religion to join , but i found something with more evidence , Christianity.
alexross8 3 years ago
if 50 % of all the authors came together to a place without being noticed , and actually start to write a blasphemous book , they would be found out so quickly.
Therefore the bible must be true.
The only way for people to write such a thing is if it really happened.
alexross8 3 years ago
Ever heard of Greek Mythology? Your "proof" applies here as well.
Since that was written down with such consistency of characters and narrative that was true as well? Many of the events of these tales had historically accurate roots, but the embellishments force us to take the record with a grain of salt.
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
Greek mythology is partly the truth.
Greeks worship a God and the sons and daughters of the God because they live with him.
Judaism tells us that they are worshipping a misinterpretation.
Just because God has sons and daughters where he is , doesn't mean that they are gods too.
Thats why mayans thought the conquistedors were gods , because they were white skinned.
Angels didn't seperate into races like us.
they are one race.
some maybe dark , but most of them are white.
alexross8 3 years ago
I'm sure a greek mystic would find judaism to be a misinterpretation as well.
Regardless, the bible WAS a blasphemous book for its time. Every religious text that has ever been written has been seen as equally blasphemous by everyone besides its few beginning adherents.
Writing a book that dissagrees doesn't prove anything because so many have been written, and we all know that they can't all be right.
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
Well the bible prophesies that most of the world will be Christian regardless of how blasphemous it sounded at the time.
around 1900s , the world was most Christian.
Now people don't pay attention to the bible anymore and misinterpret it.
Most Christians are raised to think that they will get to heaven if they are good.
People tend to think that murders will go to hell when they die.
It's all about forgiveness. if you believe truely in Jesus , you will be forgiven.
alexross8 3 years ago
Your point had nothing to do with what will be, or what was, but about the conditions of the time period. You said that if the bible was blasphemous, it would have been found out. It wasn't found it. So it wasn't blasphemous.
Your original point is invalid and fallacious.
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
People were very religious back then.
someone who was caught writing something blasphemous would be executed immediately.
Something must have happened for the government to allow such a book to be written .because no one murdered the people who wrote the book. and if no one murdered the people who wrote the book there must have been some agreement whther or not the bible is true.
And it would take actual evidence to prove it.
But it's here today so it has to be true.
alexross8 3 years ago
I must argue your approach and strategy. If ppl have interpert Bibble, Quran, whatever, with -THEIR OWN- peacefull perspective, peacefull preconception, and it help them be more human and peacefull, i think let them be. The goal should be having the best of the best condition possible. One step at a time. If its the best thing somebody will ever acomplish then its reality we must face. What we should currently focus on is the dogma that holding ppl from using free interpertation of the text.
supersetan2008 3 years ago
life is too short to always wondering about the next life, or the end of life. I don't want to put my kid through those days of the story of a man being nailed to the crucifix, or story of eternal punishment. That's like a horror story to a kid. Let your kid be peaceful and enjoy his/her life and decide on their own. Anyone objects, please watch jesus camp
MCchuster 3 years ago
Actually, I think it's good to encourage your kid to ask those kinds of questions. But just make sure that you don't make your kid ask them only so that you can tell them what you think the answer is.
2timmy4u 3 years ago
and well okay "atheist" since you are all about evidence..where's the missing links for evolution? if you guys want to ban religion you have to come up with a better philosophy..evolution has insufficient evidence
vicesquad08 3 years ago
vicesquad08, obviously you have a computer, so google "transitional fossils" and you will be overwhelmed with examples. The "Tiktaalik" is just one of them.
To purposely not acquire or seek-out information that is easily accessible is a form of INTELLECTUAL DISHONESTY.
Isn't there something in your religion about acting morally???
lazyconquistador 3 years ago 2
atheism is simply lacking a belief in god. it is not believing in evolution. it doesn't deal with morals. its a state of non-belief, and a state of honesty with oneself in that non-belief, nothing more. I agree that evolution should back itself up (but i think it has done a pretty good job, and is only improving all the time). I agree that atheists should find strong moral philosophies. But atheism is nothing to prove or defend. its an admittance of what no alternative has proven or defended
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
r u saying atheists have no moral understanding.. To my understanding, most of the deathly genocide or war are a direct result of the religious war waged by these books that we all know are made by mankind? and yeah vicessquad08, go search for transitional fossils. I'm not an atheist but i'm not one of those who blindly follow faith either. It's too unreasonable for me.. I like to believe in something i can reasonably understand 'his' existence. That's my opinion
MCchuster 3 years ago
i was simply saying that atheism in itself doesn't have to do with morals. lacking a certain belief may have an impact on how an individual behaves, but morals themselves are not directly correlated with moral understanding.
to answer your question, no thats not what I'm saying. I think think that all sane humans have a moral understanding. It's the degree to which we apply and value these internal morals and intellectual ethics that determines how we live our lives. We think kinda the same
notNECESSARILYgod 3 years ago
nice!!!
quallsinoz 3 years ago