jitna marzi MQM ke khilaf propaganda kar lo fack videos bana lo kuch nahi hoga ap ke logon ke kale kartut khuda samne lae ga awam to jahil hain wo bohot jald aesi fack baton mai ajate hain aur galiyan dena shru ho jate hain niche ak comment dekh lo ak hindu ne tumhari is pagal pan ki video ka kitna bura manaya hai hindu hote huwe wo tum se zada Quran janta hai aesi bakwas videos banae ke bajae Quran phar liya karo shyad akhirat sawnr jae.
Important Q#1 Tamam Musalman, Leader, Tajir, Wazir or Ulma Hajj or Umra karte hn, Kya kabhi Altaaf Hussain ne Hajj ya Umra kiya? Q#2. Altaf jo kaam bi karta hain Media per aa hi jata he lekin Eid Ki Namaz, Juma Ki Namaz, Ramzan K Roze ya Taraveeh ya koi or Namaz perhte hoi kabhi Media pr kyon nhi aya? Q#3. Wo Namaz kahan perhta hai? Q#4.Kya wo Musalman b hai ya nhi? Think about it... Are u Muslim
muhajir hamaray bhai hay agar tum log quetta jaoo to pata chale ga k hum ne unhe kitna pyaar diya magar tum logo ki ankhoo per altaf hussain ne nafrat or taasoob ki pati baand di hay takay tum log altaf hussain ka lyee zaakat or fitranee or qurbanee ki khalay jama kartay raho or wo mazay say landon may ayashi karta rahe
altaf hussain ka kehna hay k un k bezergo ne pakistan k lyaye qubanya de hay to kya un kay buzargo nay iss lyay qurbanya di k un k bechay pakistan me zakat ,fithrana or qurbanee k khalay jama kartay rahay
karachi ki sachaee ye hay terrorest ,drug mafia, land mafia aur street craim waloon ki taqat to weapons hoti hay aur agar in se weapons cheen lay too wo kamzoor hojaengay aur agar insab ka taluq ANP se hay to MQM kyun karachi ko deweaponize karnay k khilaf hay iss may to MQM ka hy faida hay ANP ka to noksaan hay magar ANP to shoroo hy se karachi ki deweaponization k naray laga rahi hay iska matlab errorest ,drug mafia, land mafia aur street craim ka talooq MQM se hay..
Aur parhy likhay jahil log jo keh rahy he k rikshaw chalana aur mazdori karna touheen he..mujhy ye batao hazrat muhammad s.a.w.w ne har mehnat ka kaam kiya aur tum log b parhy likhay jahil ho plz 4 good sake remove all kind of bias from ur mind we all r muslims and then pakistani its enough
@Nasru007 afghan mahajir pakistani nahi to so un ko jana tha aur pakistan me jo hijrat karky musalman aye the india se wo hamesha k leye is mulk k rehny k leye q k ye puray hind k musalmano k leye bana tha...pakistan zindabad nafrat ka boycott
Altaf a ruthless criminal,used Mohajir's as a shield. Mohajir's are hostage in his bloody hands, We love our Mohajir's brothers and sisters but PLEASE dont support Altaf Hussain and act as a true Pakistani, He is just using you against us.
madar chodo tumne hanuman ji ki photo me ise kasi dikhaya tumare mohamad paigmer ki jais shkal hain altaf ki,,ab to tumhe altaf ka respect karna chahiye
arre bandaro jara socho aur nahi sooch sakte to us bade bander ko kaho zaid hamid ko woh kuch kahani bata kar tum sab ko bhadka e ga......... phir suicide vest pehen kar nikal padbna.......bandaar ki jaat bandar hi rahegi quamat tak
mahajiron ne banaya hai mulk??? ab oo gandoooan...! tum logon ki shaklain achin kion nahi hotin pata hai hai kion? kion k hr waqt negative sochtay ho tum log..!
This guy is nothing but a RAW agent. His main job is to cause disruption in Karachi through his India Loving agents and cause division within Pakistan. Anybody with half a brain cell, who saw India giving this guy full State visit status, knows that they only do this for their pet Dogs. Common sense people, common sense, use some.
Altaf Hussain is a joker. Baath jaagirdaaro kay khelaaf karta hay magar hamesha onn kay saath hukumath may hota hay. Apni hee hukumath may waapis aanay say dartha hay aur 19 saal say UK may bhagorra bana betha hay. shame on him. MQM = Muhaajir Qaatil Movement.
@Nasru007 Tum Akhrot dimaagh log pehlay russia say chud gaye, phir America say chud gaye, phir Pak Army say chud gaye, Ab Karachi main b chud rahay ho.. ;-)
Thoo hai tumhari naslon par, zameen par bojh ho tum log, jahan gaye wahan fasaad phelaya..
Saaray zalzalay, saaray sailaab, saaray Drone attacks, saari zillat aur ruswayi, saari jahaalat, saari ghurbat, Sab tum par Allah ka Azaab hai... ;-)
@Nasru007 Afghan mahajir aaye thay to saath weapons aur hasheesh lay kar aaye thay, Pakistan ko tabah kar dia, Hum wapas gaye to phir apnay khaiton main lota lay kar jana pakhana karnay k liye... ;-)
Q k tum log cities main rehnay k qaabil nahi ho, 10 saal main karachi tabah kar do gay..
Karachi ko banaya tha, 10 karachi aur ban jayain gay, magar tum Akhrot dimaagh k bachay kaha jao gay..
Paththron k dor main wapas jao Akhrot ki aullad.. ;-)
@mnomiq .. Sharam Karo Haya Karo Indian Hindu Nasal Muhaajiro... Bhaago PAKISTAN say... Tumhaara Altafa Double Muhaajir Ban gaya.. Tum log b uski Payrwee karo... Aur aik aur Hijrath karo.. Bhaatha Khor Saalo..... Tum log Bhagorray ho... Karachi ab hamaara hokar rahega... Insha Allah.. .. Ghayrath hay tum logo may tho Apnay manhoos Altaf Bhagorray ko wapas laa kar dikha do... AUR YAAA Khud India Wapas Chalay Jawo... .. Hindu Lun ki pedawaro... tum may Ghayrth naam ki koi cheez nahi.. Bhagoo
@Nasru007 Karachi main tumhari auqaat kuttay jesi hai, Faqeer ho tum karachi k, Aajao yahan buht say mazdour aur ghulam, rickshaw driver aur bus conductor ccahiyain..
Tumhari apnay elaaqon main kuttay jesi auqaat hai, jo chahta hai tum ko chod kar chala jata hai...
Aaj raat zara apnay Akhrot dimaagh say sochnay ki koshish kar (teray liye buht mushkil kaam hai ye Akhrot ki aulaad) k Tu itna zaleel aur khwar q hai dunia main aur teri nasal ki gaand q maar rahay hai sab.. ;-)
@Nasru007 aby bhai 1947 say pahlay sindh aur panjab aur pakhtunkhwah sab india hi tha apas main larna chodo aur is mulk ko apnay ap ko badlo sab say pahlay pakistani ban kar socho jahalat say bahar niklo muhajir to ab bohot kum hain ziyada log yahan hi paida huy hain zara si taleem lo aur tareekh parho
im a urdu speeking and love pakistan
and last but not the least muhajir ki pakistan say mohabat ka saboot hai k pakistan ka atom bomb aik muhajir nay banaya hai dr abdul qadeer khan ok
@Nasru007 Aur tum log Karachi main pohanch kar kia kartay ho ye dunia jaanti hai..
Gadday khod'tay ho, rickshaw chalatay ho, hamaray gharon main ghulam ban kar kaam kartay ho, bus conductor ban kar logon ki gaaliyan khatay ho, hotel par hamaray liye chaye banatay ho.. ;-)
Tum hamaray tattay ho beta, tattay hamesha lund k neechay rehtay hain, aur tum b hamesha hamaray neechay raho gay, q k tum Akhrot dimaagh ho.. ;-)
Sub ko maloom hay ke mqm kiya hay, tum punjabio ko gali detay ho karachi se sind se ziada muhajir to punjab mai he kabi yaha koi fasad howa sirf mqm jaha per hay wahi per fasad hota hay punjab ne tou sub logo ko apne under jaga di hay yaha koe sindhi koe muhajir koe blochi koe phatan nahi he sirf pakistani hay socho kyon ghult banday ka sath de ker mulk ko zubano ke indaz mai takseem ker rahay hon kabi pakistani bun ke socho please
suwar panjabeo tuu khud pajab lahor sa bhag ka karachi ki ma chood na aagae is ko choro is ki oposit p bhi nazar daal lia kro k agar mqm n ya mara to or party na kitna mara daggggggggggggooooooooooooo tm bas petrool k kaam kar rha hoo
karahi ma fasad kra rha hoooo......thu thu tm paindooooo pa
worldwide50..........this party is made by pak Army to fight with Sindhis to save Punjabis who are major part of our armed forces then in the reaction of ...........Innocent killing of sindhi,Balochi,Siraikees and pushtoon MQM react to save pakistan,Do you answer me the activist who cut our hand East Pakistan.....shame on You,
MQM is party of Asian Lions sons of founder of pakistan who sacrifies and made SIND the part of pakistan.
You people son of Sardar jee (sikhh) blame on Muhajir....
Bohut Pehley se Sheeetani Kowatooon ke yeh kosis rahe hai k musalmanoon ko apas mein lara kar.. kamzooor keye jayee. Un ko Altaf Hussain jaisay Banday her dor mein mil jatey hain. Shikwa Altaf Hussain se nahi, Afsoos to un logon per hota hai Altaf hussain jaisay logon ko apna Leader Mantay hain. Eik Aisa Banda, Jo Jhooota, Sharaaabii, Kaatil, Dhokay baaz, Haram Khoor ho , wo kaisay Leader ho sakta hai.... wo Ap ko Sirf Tabahiii or jahanum ke taraf he lead kar SAkta hai...
mqm this is a gandu jamat maderchodon ki jamat jik mohajirs ki gand altaf ne mari thi ab unki aik najai aur gandi nasal jawan hochuki hai woh sab gandu hain mqm ke workers.
hahaha gandus mqm ke bharwon machodon doob marpo teri gand kabhi bhi phat sakti hai mare ga tu hi jo itni bakwas karta ha mqm ke gandu adeakh kanjar yahoodi.
@8611Ash they are not noob they are mega noob they all r bull shit ya sari Zindagi ghulam hi rehna cahtay ha ,,In beewakafoo ko koi baat na miley tu indian agent keh detay retards
@kabooterjajaja TO ME TO I AM BIENG HONEST AS WELL LOOK T AT HIM AND THE WAY HE TALKS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PAKISTANI BUT YET GOT A LOT OF NERVE TO COPY MR Z.A BHUTTO.
AJMAL PHARI ..... kay bara me maloom houa ha kay uas na bohat say logno ke MAA KO CHODA hay…. List........ Raisani Sahi syed, nusarat javad 2 times, Isfand wali, Qadir magsi, Paligo, Kashif abbasi, Haroon Rashid, hamid mir..…etc lakin akhir may ZULFIQAR MIRZA ke maa ko chod ta howa pakra gaya.. inquiry gari hay aur nam samna aa sakta hane.. Bravooo I salute this man.
Prepared by DG ISI, DG IB, DG MI, DG kangers (MIRZA ka TATTA) & IG
Altaf killer of thousands of Mohajirs youth.... he used mohajirs for his vested interst and now he even dont want to hear the word "MOHAJIR"... Altaf aik bar tum wapis tou aao wo mohajir larkian jin k saath tum nay abbasi shaheed hospital ma badsalooki ki thi ab wo tumhara bura haal karain gi... yaad ha sab tum nay jab Abbasi Shaheed Hospital ko apni ayyashi ka markaz banaya tha
i totally agree with you that mr. altaf is not an honest and sincere politician, but it is the bad luck of pakistan that even after 60 years of independence it is still waiting for an honest and sincere leader.
but i do agree with mr. altaf that the division was a mistake. muslims suffered more in the partition.
we have to convey the message that we are all part of one humand family.
religion has divided us. religions is man made and evil.
yar london sy 5 pound ka calling card ly kr 3 hrs ky liye kitni awam ko bewaqoof bna rakha hy... Altaf bhi Libara ki sim lain kafi chep hy yahan london main... 2 , 3 ghanty aur bewaqoof bna sakin gy.... hahahha... mental case hy sala.. DaDu
Gandoo Kutay Ka Bacha Altaf Hussain .Madarchood Taxi driver .Teri Ma ki choot main Hathi K alurau .Aur teray monh main Hatee Ka pakhana.PAkistan Aaoo to zara .Tumharee gand kutay marain gay .Bhosaree walay .Bahan chood kutay .Pakistan ko bur kahta hay dalay.Salay Hindu Mahajir .Itnee gand hay to aaoo Pakistan Gand Pathtee hay .Dalay Ramm Hindu
doesn't Altaf have a good point ? There would hv been a 450 million strong muslim majority in the subcontinent. Means muslim leaders would have been a dominant ruling force all over the Indian subcontinent - just look at fractured muslim voting trends in India!! In a way, Indians had good fortune that partition happened given the ground reality today - per world bank Indian devlpmt indices above 7, gdp reserves 5th in world, no drone bombings!
@iamsri see what is happening with muslims in indian region gujrat?
many have to change their name to indian names just to get a simple labour job. they have worst life their. it is always power play, even with greater muslims, power would still be played in the hands of hindus and they would never do the justice.
You have the freedom in Pakistan which u can never enjoy anywhere in the world. and belive me it is a fact.
If what you say is true, it is bad, but such name changes appear to be isolated incidents per news in the internet.
Overall Indian muslims appear to be doing reasonably ok - many leaders, presidents, industrialists, major business community in Gujarat. Bombay etc are muslims. As regards justice, there are many hindu communities that themselves do not get fast justice!! Of course, there are problems but which place with a hundred communities does not have problems?
@iamsri ..u r point is not flawed bro...BUT..won't it hv been more bloodshed ??cuz...if india was to be 'one'...it had to be ruled by those from whom britishers snatched it!..muslims ruled india for almost 1000 yrs...with far mr justice than ayudhia, gujrat, kashmir like thngs!!!.. tell me, by any means, muslims in 47 wr able to get same rulersip?? if u honestly think, hindu majority wud hv let it happen...i agree...otherwise...its simply insane. By no democracry u cud ensure pre-1857 status
@4agebeyondages.. Issue is that empires rise and fall. Muslim rulers had a good time ruling the "Golden Sparrow" and sending vast amounts of wealth and gems to the middle east (the Iranian peacock throne - just one instance). India was one of the last bastions of muslim rule after the ottoman empire! When that last empire weakened the next colonial power, British took advantage and feretted huge wealth to England (the Kohinoor is just one example). Brits fell later - look at the US now..
@4agebeyondages If you think there was one continuous, peaceful land under muslim rule, you are mistaken. Small kingdoms were always at war - there was never one country.
Indians today thank the Mughals and British for bringing together an extremely diverse linguistic people (just religion is the same) for a shared future. The full integration is not finished yet but thanks to the unity (however artificial it seems to outsiders) it is going to be very very difficult to divide India again :-)
no it wont be india's division...perhaps no one wants that..except from some fabricated street slogans , which u must admit equally (or perhaps more fancifully) voiced in india as well (n tht attracts some smiles for the democracy tht my frndz lure us for the joint "democratic prowess" of all-indian muslims :)).........its a matter of fact, however indigestible for modern democracy, that for muslims , islam is not a religion alone...its a system which perhaps negates th western definition..
..of democracy..n thts what brings them in contention with highly flawed concepts of modern socio-politics..end result...they never accept a subjugation to any other system which contradicts thr freedom ..unlike many other "religions only"....this "religion=code of life" cocncept makes them strive for thr never-subjugating passion...i hv no disagreement tht this passion , over past 2 centuries hv highly bn hijacked 4 vested interests of religious monarchy...butthts an inetrnal flaw...
..of democracy..n thts what brings them in contention with highly flawed concepts of modern socio-politics..end result...they never accept a subjugation to any other system which contradicts thr freedom ..unlike many other "religions only"....this "religion=code of life" cocncept makes them strive for thr never-subjugating passion...i hv no disagreement tht this passion , over past 2 centuries hv highly bn hijacked 4 vested interests of religious monarchy...butthts an inetrnal flaw...
...it nvr snubs this "two nation theory"!!!..."no surrender to political system tht SHOWS others ruling them"......n i, if remain impartial for a moment, wud suggest...it shudnt be suppressed cuz tht wud bring problems for suppressors too.....my only point....co-exist....co-exist in independance.....respect each others sovereignity...had it be no-Pakistan...i bet, u wud hv nvr ths feeling tht India wont be divided :)...it may not (n shud not NOW) but..in othr case..a constant pain fr indians :)
@4agebeyondages I guess the aftermath of 911 and US involvement in our region has been more of a boon to India. Pak may have been a pain or irritant to India before the US invasion, but is it so now?
Good point on partition, but you fail to notice that India has more muslim population than Pak - also if Indian muslims have been so subjugated and discriminated against as Pakis tend to believe, there would have been 100 more riots - an eventual re-partition.
no offense, just for having ur insight into it...M F Hussein quits his indian nationality forever..surrenders his passport to indian mission yesterday and is now a Qatari national...while all scars world's 'fair' media put on Pak...y such incidents dnt make a real big buzz?..whatever..my point is ..they cant tolerate an ultra-liberal Hussain BUT a blasphemous taslima nasreen or give protocol to rushdi...even if in shards..all such incidnts remind us y shud v value Pakistan
Hehhh.. 95 yr old M F Husain made a career of 50+ years in the same India where he earned all plaudits and crores in awards in spite of nude images of Hindu Gods/Goddesses over 40 years. Can you imagine a budding artist Hari Kumar paint fully clothed pictures of God/Prophet/Wife in any Islamic nation and flourish, however liberal? Come on, be fair :-)
while i firmly stand for strict law against blasphemus acts whatever religion they are against, im surprised with all the rationality we had been talking with, u missed a huge huge difference while mapping MF Hussain's case to whatever u said...UK, kathmandu, malaysia, singapore..i have visited indian hindus run temples n m witness to so many of effigies of hindu holy characters, part of whatever sacred narratives, were either nude or even semi-sexual acts...i dnt point thm out jst compare..
Glad you gave me a chance to clear that misconception used in the xtian/muslim world - none of Hindu Gods or Goddesses are ever shown naked anywhere inside any temple in the world! Only day-to-day life of people, kings, apsaras.. indulging in daily acts - including intimate sexual ones sometimes adorn the outsides of temples much like Greece or Italy.
In spite of this, MFH's work was tolerated for so long - because people in general do not care much - fringe political parties made it an issue.
..to a religion or culture where for decades even photographic images of commons were debatable...sketches of holy icons apart. if its blashpemous, plz plz visit all these places i mentioned n ask ur people to demolish all that stuff..atleast go to Kathmandu n clear off all practical kamsutra aasans from holy places of worship....i wud say, if its established blasphemy i stand for even hanging MF Hussain...otherwise be fair in this case too :-) it shudnt be a blasphemy only whn a muslim dz it,
Different religions have different yardsticks of God/s and holiness and punishment. There is no heaven or hell or devil or "punishments for the slightest sin" in Hinduism.
Even if some of his art is blasphemous for some Hindus, why should MF Hussain be hanged? - he was exonerated by the Indian supreme court for "freedom of expression" - talk about liberalism. Try painting naked portaits of Jesus/Mary in christian countries !
...a very important argument to stand with my point.....the first i came across MF Hussain's issue was nothing other than a plethora of web postings by hindus from india...mostly from congress as they mentioned it...now plz be rational here too as u are...religious blasphemy shudn't have political frame to fit in :).....they all were regretting that "fanatics" led to MF Hussain's exit....i cnt believe congress has all 'free-thinkers'! with no value for hinduism
The issue is "freedom of expression". It is the way courts and normal people in liberated countries behave. Congress prides itself on it's secular credentials which is true to an extent (tho' a couple of Congress leaders were responsible for instigating the Sikh riots in '84 after Indira Gandhi was killed)
Of course, there are immature people too who carry their religion on their sleeve who can be instigated by religious parties - like there are immature. easily-instigated people globally.
@fizzboh ..disappointing to c a person who initially stood against 'western- interests' in subcontinent politics, harping on th same tune called "freedom of speech"...muslims or hindus, my frnd, the western notion of 'freedom of speech' was historically a disgrace to our region...n u knw y...cuz...in east people by default own ettiquetes, m sure even in india children r groomed with mannrism to avoid hurting anyone...by word n by act...west propagated 'freedom of speech' under satanists..
@fizzboh ..my only 'freedom' is to express n PRACTICE what i believe is right WITHOUT calling names or derogating in words wht they r into..tht gives me only chance to someday see them interestd in what i do...otherwise...its just hatred tht will go on..wars..killings...dont u c what islam is going thru?? they hv made us publically an icon of intolereance thru media..while in genrl we r not..evn our newer genrations hv startd believing what "funded mullahs" want ->'CONVERT other by FORCE"..
@4agebeyondages But won't you agree that Pak has really screwed up due to military defacto rule and policies? India in spite of it's million faults and contradictions seems to be doing much better internally and in the global stage. (now don't quote to me dalits, naxalites, 100 separatist movements etc.) It's like saying China is doing bad due to mistreatment of Uighurs, Falun gong, christians etc. Or the US is doing pathetic due to race riots (as recent as 70s), racism in a multicultural state
c...in todays world...its not difficult to 'fabricate' public opinion n now everyone knows where is media being controlled from...do ur search, associated press, reuters, CNN, Fox , bbc and load of local stuff belong to a very limited set of people..tell me...why india never had world mittals, ambanis n all before 1991?? nothng revolutionery happend within india at tht time.infact ppl like indra n rajiv wr gone..simple is it..it ws a geo-strategic shift smwhere in west..they wntd india look big.
You are right that western media does a lot of targeted public perception and manipulation - for instance for winning support for the Afghan/ Iraq wars.I am not sure what they get by propping up China and India - the two nations that seem to have the most money and highest economy rates today. Mittal is UK based - no India contributions. Looks like Ambani was always a bigwig in India. Only in 1991 when the Indian economy/markets were opened up to the west by Manmohan Singh, Ambani went global.
no disagreement...yet point remains there....individual success stories from india never made it to global horizon untill unless 'someone', 'somewhere' else wanted it to be...for 'their' agenda...n trust me..same applies to current state of Pakistan...they want it this way..n though there contrivings r never 100% successful yet they get it most...Pakistan despite all "forecasts" of "some think tanks" in late 90s didn't collapse by 2009!...Baluchistan never separated by 2007..Sarhad provine..
Yes, individual success stories from India were only noticed or publicized after 1991 - after the markets opened up (the so called Globalization).
I believe that given Pak size, manpower, if the people's abilities were properly harnessed, it's economy can be resuscitated and it has the potential to be a powerhouse - but Pak Army will never allow a stable democracy to take root and undergo 3-4 cycles (like for eg. South Africa). The army stands to lose most of the outside funds & prime resources
@fizzboh ...madrassah along kandahar and, near jalalbad in afghanistan...everyone knws wht this means. But anywways, i sum up..the future of india n pakistan lies in an HONEST recognition of each other, live and let live...otherwise hawks will enjoy n both populations will have Up n Down swings..good for indians today, downfall tomorrow..n vice versa for Pakistanis.hope they get rational
..despite a CNN, Fox, BBC projected anticipations of falling to Taliban by 2008...never happened. ofcrse..Pakistan hs paid a lot of proce..staggering...yet standing. n im sure...indian will go through a good phase too even if its not that "alluring" as they made it in begining of 2000s..n hopefully indian strategist will get th point that a 'falling' Pakistan will surely make them fall too...c..nukes wars apart...indians cud nevr had enjoyed progress of earlier ths decade HAD it ...
Pak and innocent people are paying a heavy price, no doubt. I take all news predictions with huge pinches of salt - but I myself could never imagine that things could ever go to such an extent in Pakistan as 2008-09 have shown.
India has it's multitude of issues to resolve (like raising half it's population out of poverty), Pak has some key ones too. I do not think any defence expert in India would want Pak to fail - the worst nightmare scenario, not only for the countries, but for the people.
@fizzboh ..innocent people r paying th price all over..Pakistan, afghanistan, Iraq , kashmir r on a higher side of loss..even those who died in 911 were innocents and those who passed away in mumbai...but ur judgement abt PK army is highly poised with the opinions indian media machine, RAW and govt inculcates...m not a proponent of armies running the countries or military being the symbol of piety BUT...
Hmmm - my judgement on the PK army is more based on long conversations with Pak friends, on the editorials in Pak newspapers by ayaz amir, Irfan Hussien, Mahir Ali, Kamran Shafi, Paracha and a vast number of opinion videos in youtube by international and Pak intellectuals like Ahmed Rashid, Tariq Ali, Khaled Ahmed, Vali Nasr, Pamela Constable, Nazir Naji, Asghar Khan, Javed Chodhary.- some of these people are patriots with army backgrounds. I got pointers to those people from Pak friends only.
@fizzboh i do not disagree with the idea of minimal involvement of military in state's admin affairs..infact knowing many miliary families there quite closely...i must say its a matter of discomfort for most of the professional army people..they themselves hate it..but yes..no doubt..u always get some rogues out there on top..even 1 or 2 can hijack it. everyone knws even in army tht such involvements hamper thr actual trainings n preparedness ....
@fizzboh "western FUNDED" was not a happenstance or prejudiced remark either :)...im myself living abroad for quite so long..trust me..most of these r really 'funded'...dnt u think an outstanding white collar career as a pseudo-resarch scholar or media expert for sm1 who acually used 2 b below avg in his/her earlier academic endeavors in pak, an ample incentive to propagate whatever 'masters' say??..they develop a knack of presenting 'half truths' beautifully!!..
While there may be some truth in the "western funded" notion of some Pakistani writers, in the same token, isn't there truth in the theory that spokespeople of "think tanks" like Zaid Hamid, Hamid Gul etc are also heavily army funded to keep Pakistani public support using hateful "us versus them" rhetoric and vast conspiracy theories? For instance the constant rantings against civilian rule, unflinching support for military, illogical storm against accountability provisions of kerry-luger bill.
while i agree with all the fuss in media about current government...the fact that despite developing a heroic impression (once musharaf went, the 'sacred cow' image was back soon), army top brass dd not even get into statements destabilizing so-called democracy....isnt it worth mentioning? the 'rod' scare is there ofcourse BUT thts so important 4 keeping zardari in limits NOT prime minister's govt...while knoing so much abt pak politics u wud hv bn aware of hw zardari got up there
...playing on his wife's unfortunate demise, the man who could hardly be respected even among a handful of ppl suddely rose to the premiership..everyone remembers nancy powell n other's meeting in late nights with him in US embassy n othr safe houses in islamabad while he was on a public rampage of rhetorics that "I WONT BE A PRESIDETIAL CANDIDATE"...kerrylouger issue was a "message" to him NOT to the government..notice pak PM is enjoying an unprecedentd support of military...as subordintes..
..anyways..its a fact that western influence in Pakistan is far too much compared to india n thts y sometimes people ignore this fact under what circumstances military as institution has to act..no doubt it also paves way for degenrate individuals to hijack the moves...while i detest this loophole, one must understand the opposite is not an option as it is...imagine some "thoroughly hated charcaters" on top levels given freehand in pak..whose sole credential is "West" wantd them..
@4agebeyondages Politics and corruption go hand in hand - personally, I would be happier with corrupt yet Able politicians rather than honest simpletons who can't get the work done. Maybe Zardari should have been given the benefit of doubt unless he proves to be completely incompetent. Anyway, my only point is that civilian leaders (however corrupt, or incompetent or western stooges) should not be considered as excuses for imposing army rule.
..in india's case, pehaps devolution of feudal sysatem in early days helped a lot in establishing writ of commons despite th fact that corruption is as common there as in Pakistan...Pakistan's feel allienated when the imposed version of demoracy brings a limited 'ruling class' thru politics agn n agn...yet...with the things on ground there...im sure..if musharaf had to surrender, no other "so-called democratic premier" wud b able to have a freehand as in past...one hs to be optimist :)
@4agebeyondages Yes, corruption is rampant in gpvt services in India. It has been reducing very gradually over the last 5-10 years but still a big problem. Freer media, accountability commissions and some honest politicians have helped. You are bang on target that devolution of feudal system would have helped Pak as it did India.
..n just for ur older comments abt pakis taking indians seriously..ref: gen kapoor...if its funny, it is not more than indian govt gettin in panic with statements of hafiz saeed..i mean, hating an 'enemy of state' , trying to get hold of him thru intl protocols is a difrnt thing but prime minister, foreign minister almost in ranting makes th man go out of proportions!!..gen kapoor is atleast militry chief of the 'foes'..his sanity is very imp 4 both pak n china to avoid misadvntures ...
@4agebeyondages Actions speak louder than mere words. For most Indians, Hafiz Saeed was the architect of the 2008 Mumbai attack, so stmts from him get more weight-age. While there is potential for army elements to disobey civilian rule in India, this has never happened in the history of independant India,
@fizzboh on the othr hand..i agree, western education broaden our horizons and there r many people, professionals out here overseas who, while criticising state of affairs bk home, never become blindfolded to what some 'corners' want them to believe..i told u, there had to be sm reasons tht despite stunning jolts Pakistan is still surviving n m sure will get better too...those reasons r the "OTHER half" of th truth which "global" media is intent on hiding....
@4agebeyondages In the west the "critical questioning" and "listening to many viewpoints" is a kind of check against media perceptions. That is why, people tend to analyze media better here, rather than in our countries where emotionalism is the norm.
Things getting better in Pakistan is good for both nations. Direct western involvement can then stop in the subcontinent.
@fizzboh ..btw interestingly some of the names u mentioned have been critically knocked down for authenticity of their reporting :)..yet i appreciate tht u had a blend of right n left wings for ur readings...thankfully pervez hoodbhai is not there..lol......at th end..despite sm reservations agnst western definition of democracy...i ardently believe, govrnment is not a matter of military junta..common masses have a right to define modus operandi for thr state
@4agebeyond - I personally have not seen instances where the names I mentioned have ever been critically knocked down for lack of authenticity or logic - most of these people, Pak or international are known reporters. I knew that Hasan Nisar or the MIT educated Hoodbhoy would be contentious :-)
And it will of course have to be local flavor of jamooriath - 2-party democracy cannot work at all in India, for instance. Coalitions are there to stay.
India media, govt etc. have mostly tit for tat reactive news on Pak or reflective of any Pak wrongdoing straight from International news similar to some Pak newspapers - with more exaggeration. I hate the kind of news in mainstream Indian news like TOI, express nowadays due to the bad quality and commercialism. One can denounce my sources as western or Indian influenced, anti-military, but the state of Pakistan today is squarely due to army policies, whatever their contribution to development.
@fizzboh ...its a fact that..Pakistan army is rooted deep in society...thr is never a feeling among commons that they r alienated class...trust me...officials of ranks of brigadiers have lifestyles simpler than an avg 30 yrs old engg graduate in frst 2 yrs of his job..if smthing goes wrong...it goes wrong in very few individuals n that too at top brass..musharaf, yahya khan were icons of tht personas..n u see whts thr popularity out in society..musharaf cant dare going back home..BUt Kayani..
I understand that the Pak army is well loved and very popular in the country as it should be. And that some of the officers lead simple lives - but the fact is that the army runs the largest real estate business in Pakistan under the auspices of defense Housing and other welfare societies. Also, extensive economic activities and cushy administrative positions for retired personnel. This may be common in Pak, but it is uncommon in the developed world to see such heavy involvement of military.
@fizzboh ...immediately after musharaf surrendered, regained all the heartwining of the nation by displaying a very professional general, winning strategic victories in Afghanistan, responding gracefully (not over reacting) to gen. deepak kapoor's rather childish stateents smtime back, preparedness agnst indian military tactics n keeping himself at safe distance frm national politics..n thts how civil n military story goes in Pakistan...my frndz hated it when musharaf appointd his buddies...
True, Mushy did step down, he need not have. About that Deepak Kapoor stmt - I think Pak takes things too seriously - if you search "general deepak kapoor stmt" almost 95% of sites are Pakistani. Indians do not take their military as seriously as Pakis - because the military by itself cannot do a thing without the civilian leadership giving a go-ahead. Also, Indian military has to think about bigger threats given that Indian economy and resources will be in contention and competition in future
@fizzboh ..in civilian setups...its stupidity..but kayani called all of thm back...western funded writers come up with fanciful books like 'Military Inc.' in pakistan..honestly c th stats...Paksitan's half of energy comes frm hydal power n only 2 reservoirs (largest in asia till2000) were build under Gen.Ayub Khan, though Bhutto ws founder of Paki nukes..it ws Gen. Zia who protected it at a time when whole world ws aftr it even his allies CIA couldnt get it..rzn y he ws 'disposed off' soon aftr
I am not sure why it is that when people write about the current system with a different lens they are derided as "western funded writers" - "western educated" maybe.
Maybe you are right about your nukes being safe-guarded by the military better - but again I do not know why you feel that a civilian govt would have surrendered Pak's crown jewels when you still have a military doing it's primary job - only not doing administration.
@fizzboh ..currently Pakistan's most successful industrial plants r those run by 'Fauji Foundation', a company supported for welfare of retired servicemen but interestingly 80% of its employees r civilians..same goes for National Logistics...in infrastructure projects...all these projects, employment, money is WITHIN Pak boundries..unlike most of th politicians..m sure..dnt need to share what president Zardari is going thru in courts..BUT..all tht never ever justifies military reigns..agree
Agreed, the army was involved in some development projects. But given that democracy has never been greater than a five year affair in Pak, the main rulers have had to do some good at the least! As I always say, it needs at least 3-4 cycles of political leadership for democracy to even start showing results. You know one really positive that has come out of Mushy's rule - the seeds of an independant judiciary.
...not bn Pak to cushion the wave of repurcussions from Afghan war....imagine all these suicidal attacks happening in india with th same frequency as these did in Pakistan till rcent yrs...n as i told u...Muslims by default r hot blooded...thr wont hv been a political way (or 'non-muslim' Military wayeither) to handle it....my point, its absolute useless for Pakis to devour India just the same way it wud be stupidity for indians to think of destabilizing Pakistan.once founded.. ought to exist!!
True, what's happened has happened. Too much bad blood now to even imagine what could be. And even if the Indians wanted, the US would not allow India to do anything at this juncture to destabilize Pakistan.
..just an observation abt how wetsern powers have manipulated indians...for media reign e.g...i never watched any complete bolllywood movie after 1998..but i did watch several from late 70s, 80s.. m nt tht old :)..only 1 rzn. ur older movies wr more focused on real life issues, probs of people, society..but once "doors opened"..b honest..aint they always talkin abt a class tht dznt mk even 1% of indian society? its more abt fictitious dreaming than helping originals to stand with diginity.
Hehh, more like 5% of the society now.. but most Bollywood movies are for commercial consumption for the masses - only 10% of the movies have any real value and out of those only half are worth watching. Having said this, 4-5 releases out of 200 or so every year, are pretty good ones. Though songs have become bad and worse year after year and are sometimes even copied, some original songs are to be listened to. You would be surprised at some recent imdb 9.0 rated bwood flicks - not bad at all.
..n no doubt...u had hardworking ppl alongwith corrupt-est..but they wr thr even before..y nvr brought india up??...its a temporary shift..so easy..lure 'their' corporates to tap india which in cold-war wasnt needed...n for Pakistan..its thr requirement to mk th country look down...within thr boundries...excpt frm security issues they aint tht bad either...if u say, they r on aid..well..its west's need to do tht cuz if they stop it....Pakis will b out of ths dependnce...n they can do it..
@fizzboh ...we just hope that in future 'hawks' never make to decision making positions...n u will agree to me, they r on both sides...if some corrupt individuals on our side cud plan agnst indian civlians solely for individual gains , many across th border r making indian govt invest in Afghanistan just to engage paki forces from opposite border n keeping pressure away frm indian borders..i ws socked to once hear frm a confidential report about 'indian' "development funds" to 80 madrassahs..
Hehhh.. 95 yr old M F Husain made a career of 50+ years in the same India where he earned all plaudits and crores in awards in spite of nude images of Hindu Gods/Goddesses over 40 years. Can you imagine a budding artist Hari Kumar paint fully clothed pictures of God/Prophet/Wife in any Islamic nation and flourish, however liberal? Come on, be fair :-)
@fizzboh ..my saying 'holy characters' was never pointing 'God or gods' tht hindus worship..my point was just...nudity is acceptable atleast in some form around thr places of worship...muslims have a 180 degree opposite religious culture...u cant compare.
second: hanging MF hussain was connotative..i m surprised u tk it literally..i simply meant...whatever anti-blasphemous law they hav, he shud have been indicted strictly...
Exactly, with no understanding you cannot compare. There are tens of thousands of different forms for worship in Hinduism and different kinds of temples too - maybe 1% of them have some freeform or nude image portrayals of day to day characters outside the temples! That does not give *anyone* the license to paint nude the common forms of worship just because the bulk of people are tolerant most times. Also realize that millions get offended by such portrayals just like the prophet cartoons.
@fizzboh ..they wanted to uproot, humiliate, demarr all icons of relgion..all those religions that deterred thr expansionism, exploitation and talked abt humanity, welfare.....wht e u talkin abt christian blasphemy in west??..i hv myself seen 'dancing jesus' extremely blasphemous videos on public channels...they do it..openly..if u r hindu, be honest...as a muslim if i start arguing without respecting ur believes, wont it hurt you??...it will.....n so do i have a right to b respectd 4 my beliefs
Per my reading of our discussion, if one started to argue without even a basic understanding of a religion for millions, it is a recipe for argument. I did not use a narrow example of nudity and stereotype it to all Hindus - I have never disrespected or demeaned your belief here.
However, don't you feel that the interpretation of "Blasphemous" in almost all Islamic countries is too strict and wide compared to the rest of the world (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews) ?
@fizzboh ...while..'freedom of thought', 'freedom of choice' is what everyone MUST exercise n others shud respect (n believe me, real islam stands 4 it too.."your responsibility is only to convey the message..choice is theirs" ..fraction of mullahs changd thngs 4 thr interests).........on th contrary..'Freedom of expression' without caring for others.... is just a ruthless way of hurting others..i abhore idol worship..hindus do it...my religion gives me no right to start yelling at those who do.
@fizzboh ...n its cuz of mass acceptance of "u hv a right to hurt others just cuz u feel an urge for it".....thn this wrong notion tht muslims in Pakistan stand only aginst balsphemies to our Prophet (PBUH)..they do so even if it Jesus Christ, Mosses or even 4 hindus(thou they r less than 1%)..yet i remember aftrmaths of babri mosque 4m cildhood days..scores of muslim locals protecting 2 hindu temples near jacobabad frm an "unidentified" threat to demolish in revenge..
Again, good points to know, I am well aware about the friendly natures of most Lahoris or Karachittes.
There are many illiterate people who can be easily instigated by political or military leaders especially in a subcontinent with emotional people like us. Babri Masjid demolition was unfortunate. During the riots, there were scores of hindus who protected their muslim neighbors - ditto with Sikhs during the anti-sikh riots in '84.
@fizzboh ..only a few dozen fanatics demolished an abandoned temple like residential building near lahore's anarkali in a staged protest..govt n general public ensured neither of few hundrad hindus in lahore have any loss in property , life or religious places....BUT..i knw..a common indian do believe all roads in karahi, lahore, islamabad r full of ranting muslim belligerant to attack hinduism n uproot it at all...u cnt deny, thts nt th perception?:)..real worlds differ too much
Ditto with India, if you do not believe talk personally to many Indian muslims. When India was formed, the founders believed in a secular constitution for all. Of course, the implementation cannot be perfect, as you well know.
Babri Masjid in Ayodhya for some core Hindus was like an Idol temple in Mecca or Madina. It also symbolized the the first wave of invasions and the dismantling of temples for those people - I am not trying to justify mindless destruction but how easy it is for incitement.
Wrong perception, I do not believe many Indians think that roads in Pakistan are full of hate crimes. There is some concern about the blasphemy laws, distortion of history in schools, decline in minority population etc.
Riots in India bring out the worst in mobs - but day to day muslim life is normal too!
I know that common people in both countries appreciate similar values, share a culture and possibly a shared future without the interference from other powers with their own agendas.
united we stand divided we fall.we should unite together as PAKISTANIS against over enemies and not just divide into punjabis n muhajirs........coz by dis division only our enemy will be in advantage
you know, it's people like you who promote even further how pathetic and cruel the people of MQM are. Misguided fool, you are nothing but a brainwashed follower of the Pakistani version of Hitler. I fear for Karachi and the rest of Sindh. I always have, because mindless retards and slaves of Altaf the tyrant like you have made living there hell.
Your rotten language speaks how much you have been Islamically educated. This kind of insulting is something the Prophet (PBUH) preached against.
This is a girl you are talking to. It goes to show how much of an unmannered and brainwashed dog of tyrant Altaf you have become. Bravo. You misguided and mindless fools never cease to amaze me. Please leave the common folk of Karachi alone. We just want to feed our families, not a bloodthirsty hellhound like Altaf.
this video abu the hindos so i heat this
inqlabpakistan 2 months ago in playlist MQM
jitna marzi MQM ke khilaf propaganda kar lo fack videos bana lo kuch nahi hoga ap ke logon ke kale kartut khuda samne lae ga awam to jahil hain wo bohot jald aesi fack baton mai ajate hain aur galiyan dena shru ho jate hain niche ak comment dekh lo ak hindu ne tumhari is pagal pan ki video ka kitna bura manaya hai hindu hote huwe wo tum se zada Quran janta hai aesi bakwas videos banae ke bajae Quran phar liya karo shyad akhirat sawnr jae.
firdous786pk 5 months ago
shahbazsak 5 months ago
bharat mata kay sapoot altaf hussain ki maa ki chut
madarchodhindustani 6 months ago
hindu mazhab ko kyun nishana bnaya hai si wideo mein
tmhein problem altaf sy hai ya hinduism sy
r tmhary Quran mein hai k kisi k khuda ko bura mat kaho kahein aisa na ho k wo plat k tumhary khuda ko bura bhla kahey
so b carefull
suhinder 6 months ago
sare l
nedtanveer 7 months ago
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muhajir hamaray bhai hay agar tum log quetta jaoo to pata chale ga k hum ne unhe kitna pyaar diya magar tum logo ki ankhoo per altaf hussain ne nafrat or taasoob ki pati baand di hay takay tum log altaf hussain ka lyee zaakat or fitranee or qurbanee ki khalay jama kartay raho or wo mazay say landon may ayashi karta rahe
khanooooo3 7 months ago in playlist Pakistan_MQM
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altaf hussain ka kehna hay k un k bezergo ne pakistan k lyaye qubanya de hay to kya un kay buzargo nay iss lyay qurbanya di k un k bechay pakistan me zakat ,fithrana or qurbanee k khalay jama kartay rahay
khanooooo3 7 months ago in playlist Pakistan_MQM
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karachi ki sachaee ye hay terrorest ,drug mafia, land mafia aur street craim waloon ki taqat to weapons hoti hay aur agar in se weapons cheen lay too wo kamzoor hojaengay aur agar insab ka taluq ANP se hay to MQM kyun karachi ko deweaponize karnay k khilaf hay iss may to MQM ka hy faida hay ANP ka to noksaan hay magar ANP to shoroo hy se karachi ki deweaponization k naray laga rahi hay iska matlab errorest ,drug mafia, land mafia aur street craim ka talooq MQM se hay..
khanooooo3 7 months ago in playlist Pakistan_MQM
Aur parhy likhay jahil log jo keh rahy he k rikshaw chalana aur mazdori karna touheen he..mujhy ye batao hazrat muhammad s.a.w.w ne har mehnat ka kaam kiya aur tum log b parhy likhay jahil ho plz 4 good sake remove all kind of bias from ur mind we all r muslims and then pakistani its enough
FunnyPakVideos 7 months ago
@Nasru007 afghan mahajir pakistani nahi to so un ko jana tha aur pakistan me jo hijrat karky musalman aye the india se wo hamesha k leye is mulk k rehny k leye q k ye puray hind k musalmano k leye bana tha...pakistan zindabad nafrat ka boycott
FunnyPakVideos 7 months ago
talibaani bhi tho pakiyo ko marte hai, kya woh bhi muslim nahi hai kya, akal k andho, pakistaniyo.
johnpnb22 7 months ago
Altaf a ruthless criminal,used Mohajir's as a shield. Mohajir's are hostage in his bloody hands, We love our Mohajir's brothers and sisters but PLEASE dont support Altaf Hussain and act as a true Pakistani, He is just using you against us.
fiveyeareclipse 7 months ago
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Bhagorra Eshratul Ebad Wapas aagaya... Bhookay Nangay Hukumath kay baghair nahi reh saktain... hahahahah...
Altaf Bhagorra Jaagirdaro aur Wadero kay khelaaf kya Khaak larhay ga... Saala Haraami Notanki.... manhoos chehray ka maalik... Laanati Kirdaar Altaf Bhagorra..
Nasru007 7 months ago
madar chodo tumne hanuman ji ki photo me ise kasi dikhaya tumare mohamad paigmer ki jais shkal hain altaf ki,,ab to tumhe altaf ka respect karna chahiye
amitclick99 7 months ago
arre bandaro jara socho aur nahi sooch sakte to us bade bander ko kaho zaid hamid ko woh kuch kahani bata kar tum sab ko bhadka e ga......... phir suicide vest pehen kar nikal padbna.......bandaar ki jaat bandar hi rahegi quamat tak
vlakhani81 8 months ago
bharat mata kay sapoot altaf hussain ki maa ki chut
madarchodhindustani 8 months ago in playlist Pakistan_MQM
mahajiron ne banaya hai mulk??? ab oo gandoooan...! tum logon ki shaklain achin kion nahi hotin pata hai hai kion? kion k hr waqt negative sochtay ho tum log..!
basimmalik 9 months ago
motherfuckin black kutta kanjar indian agent...fucks urdu-speaking ppl too
141cbc 9 months ago
he is son of bitch....i even dnt want to see hif face...kute ka bacha
gmdchanar 10 months ago
muhajir aur punjaabi bhai bhai hain ......bnd karo ye fitna fasaad aur dont follow these political leaders they had wasted our country....
umipix 11 months ago
Kutta hai
mhamzasharif 11 months ago
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WHAT EVER THE PEOPLES SAY WE DONT CARE, NO DOUBT MQM IS THE BRIGHT HOPE FOR THE MIDDLE CLASS AND POOR PEOPLES OF PAKISTAN
FORGET THE REST MQM IS THE BEST WELL COME TO LAHORE AND PLZ FLASHED OUT THE CORRUPT FEUODEL SYSTEM OF THE PAKISTAN FROM OUR LOVELY PAKISTAN
G.A PAKISTAN
G.A MUTHEDA
G.A MQM
G.A ALTAF HUSSAIN
salmanttt 1 year ago
I'll kill this motherfucker if I get a chance
Ali77766 1 year ago
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@Ali77766 allah tum pathano or punjabion per aisa azab nazil karay jo kabhi khatam na ho, jo shuro hochuka hai ,ameen
mark12345678965 11 months ago
altaf is the kutta of this century which is faithfull to only jewish forces.
amanbutt12 1 year ago
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@amanbutt12 allah tum pathano or punjabion per aisa azab nazil karay jo kabhi khatam na ho, jo shuro hochuka hai ,ameen
mark12345678965 11 months ago
This guy is nothing but a RAW agent. His main job is to cause disruption in Karachi through his India Loving agents and cause division within Pakistan. Anybody with half a brain cell, who saw India giving this guy full State visit status, knows that they only do this for their pet Dogs. Common sense people, common sense, use some.
IndiaDeMaDePuddi 1 year ago 2
Altaf Hussain is a joker. Baath jaagirdaaro kay khelaaf karta hay magar hamesha onn kay saath hukumath may hota hay. Apni hee hukumath may waapis aanay say dartha hay aur 19 saal say UK may bhagorra bana betha hay. shame on him. MQM = Muhaajir Qaatil Movement.
arman263a 1 year ago 2
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Afghan Muhaajir ghayrati tay so wapas Afghanistan chalay gaye. Altaf Hussain aur aur onkay saathi Muhaajir kab wapas jayengay India ???
Nasru007 1 year ago
Afghan Muhaajir ghayrati tay so wapas Afghanistan chalay gaye. Altaf Hussain aur aur onkay saathi Muhaajir kab wapas jayengay India ???
Nasru007 1 year ago
@Nasru007 ye mulk majiron nay banaya ab yeh batao tum log kab jaogay.
mark12345678965 11 months ago
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mnomiq 7 months ago
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@Nasru007 Tum Akhrot dimaagh log pehlay russia say chud gaye, phir America say chud gaye, phir Pak Army say chud gaye, Ab Karachi main b chud rahay ho.. ;-)
Thoo hai tumhari naslon par, zameen par bojh ho tum log, jahan gaye wahan fasaad phelaya..
Saaray zalzalay, saaray sailaab, saaray Drone attacks, saari zillat aur ruswayi, saari jahaalat, saari ghurbat, Sab tum par Allah ka Azaab hai... ;-)
mnomiq 7 months ago
@Nasru007 Allah hum ko tu par laye gaye Azaabon say mehfooz rakhay.. Aameen.. ;-)
Aur jaahil School zarour jaaya kar.. ;-)
mnomiq 7 months ago
@Nasru007 Afghan mahajir aaye thay to saath weapons aur hasheesh lay kar aaye thay, Pakistan ko tabah kar dia, Hum wapas gaye to phir apnay khaiton main lota lay kar jana pakhana karnay k liye... ;-)
Q k tum log cities main rehnay k qaabil nahi ho, 10 saal main karachi tabah kar do gay..
Karachi ko banaya tha, 10 karachi aur ban jayain gay, magar tum Akhrot dimaagh k bachay kaha jao gay..
Paththron k dor main wapas jao Akhrot ki aullad.. ;-)
mnomiq 7 months ago
@mnomiq .. Sharam Karo Haya Karo Indian Hindu Nasal Muhaajiro... Bhaago PAKISTAN say... Tumhaara Altafa Double Muhaajir Ban gaya.. Tum log b uski Payrwee karo... Aur aik aur Hijrath karo.. Bhaatha Khor Saalo..... Tum log Bhagorray ho... Karachi ab hamaara hokar rahega... Insha Allah.. .. Ghayrath hay tum logo may tho Apnay manhoos Altaf Bhagorray ko wapas laa kar dikha do... AUR YAAA Khud India Wapas Chalay Jawo... .. Hindu Lun ki pedawaro... tum may Ghayrth naam ki koi cheez nahi.. Bhagoo
Nasru007 7 months ago
@Nasru007 Tu Aaja Karachi apni family ko lay kar, Tumhari auratain yaahin achay paisay kama leti hain... ;-)
Baaqi tu to mazdouri karega aur hamaray taatay chatay ga, rikshaw chalayega Jaahil Akhrot.. ;-)
Tum log to waisay b apni auraton ko baich detay ho a.. ;-)
Aur pnay elaaqon main tu nay kia kar lia jo karachi aa kar kuch karega, gaand hi marwayega.. ;-)
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA...
mnomiq 7 months ago
@Nasru007 Karachi main tumhari auqaat kuttay jesi hai, Faqeer ho tum karachi k, Aajao yahan buht say mazdour aur ghulam, rickshaw driver aur bus conductor ccahiyain..
Tumhari apnay elaaqon main kuttay jesi auqaat hai, jo chahta hai tum ko chod kar chala jata hai...
Aaj raat zara apnay Akhrot dimaagh say sochnay ki koshish kar (teray liye buht mushkil kaam hai ye Akhrot ki aulaad) k Tu itna zaleel aur khwar q hai dunia main aur teri nasal ki gaand q maar rahay hai sab.. ;-)
mnomiq 7 months ago
@Nasru007 kutte k pillay, muhajir k khilaaf mat boliyo.
johnpnb22 7 months ago
@Nasru007 aby bhai 1947 say pahlay sindh aur panjab aur pakhtunkhwah sab india hi tha apas main larna chodo aur is mulk ko apnay ap ko badlo sab say pahlay pakistani ban kar socho jahalat say bahar niklo muhajir to ab bohot kum hain ziyada log yahan hi paida huy hain zara si taleem lo aur tareekh parho
im a urdu speeking and love pakistan
and last but not the least muhajir ki pakistan say mohabat ka saboot hai k pakistan ka atom bomb aik muhajir nay banaya hai dr abdul qadeer khan ok
SHAHABUDEENGHORI 7 months ago
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@Nasru007 Aur tum log Karachi main pohanch kar kia kartay ho ye dunia jaanti hai..
Gadday khod'tay ho, rickshaw chalatay ho, hamaray gharon main ghulam ban kar kaam kartay ho, bus conductor ban kar logon ki gaaliyan khatay ho, hotel par hamaray liye chaye banatay ho.. ;-)
Tum hamaray tattay ho beta, tattay hamesha lund k neechay rehtay hain, aur tum b hamesha hamaray neechay raho gay, q k tum Akhrot dimaagh ho.. ;-)
Khusray . . . . ;-)
mnomiq 7 months ago
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@Nasru007 Akela Karachi pooray Pakistan par bhaari hai.. ;-)
70% revenue generate karta hai.. (Jaahil nasal revenue samajhta hai na..? ;-)
Hum ko kia zaroorat hai Karachi say aagay jaanay ki..?
Poora Pakistan mehnat mazdoori k liye Karachi aata hai..
Karachi say aagay to sab tabah aur barbaad, khandraat hain, jab hi to tum log zaleel honay karachi aatay ho.. ;-)
HAHAHAHAHA... ;-)
Khasru Khusray.... ;-)
mnomiq 7 months ago
Pakistan ki gareeb Awam mein aakar siyasat kyun nahi karta.
kyun bhag gaya tha?
kyun woh sab is dunya se chale gaye jo is ki sunnte nahi the,
Azam Tariq, aur ab Imran Farooq.
Kuch din phele kaha se international killers ko supari di hain Altaf Hussain ki, ye game tha Imran Farooq ka kaam utarne ka,
birthday wale din pakistan se iske chamche London gaye magar Imran Farooq iske sath nahi tha,
aur hamdardi awam ki ayse hasil kar raha hain jaise Imran Farooq MQM ka tha, woh MQM ka nahi tha, KBR.
MrShoaib69 1 year ago
@MrShoaib69 allah tum pathano or punjabion per aisa azab nazil karay jo kabhi khatam na ho, jo shuro hochuka hai ,ameen
mark12345678965 11 months ago
KUTTAY KI MOUT MARAY GA IK DIN BENCHOD.......!!!
Masad2288 1 year ago
@Masad2288 abhi tu america or india tum benchodon ki gand maraha hai or indian kashmir mien.
mark12345678965 11 months ago
Sub ko maloom hay ke mqm kiya hay, tum punjabio ko gali detay ho karachi se sind se ziada muhajir to punjab mai he kabi yaha koi fasad howa sirf mqm jaha per hay wahi per fasad hota hay punjab ne tou sub logo ko apne under jaga di hay yaha koe sindhi koe muhajir koe blochi koe phatan nahi he sirf pakistani hay socho kyon ghult banday ka sath de ker mulk ko zubano ke indaz mai takseem ker rahay hon kabi pakistani bun ke socho please
saleem588 1 year ago
suwar panjabeo tuu khud pajab lahor sa bhag ka karachi ki ma chood na aagae is ko choro is ki oposit p bhi nazar daal lia kro k agar mqm n ya mara to or party na kitna mara daggggggggggggooooooooooooo tm bas petrool k kaam kar rha hoo
karahi ma fasad kra rha hoooo......thu thu tm paindooooo pa
surfing4lifeful 1 year ago
worldwide50..........this party is made by pak Army to fight with Sindhis to save Punjabis who are major part of our armed forces then in the reaction of ...........Innocent killing of sindhi,Balochi,Siraikees and pushtoon MQM react to save pakistan,Do you answer me the activist who cut our hand East Pakistan.....shame on You,
MQM is party of Asian Lions sons of founder of pakistan who sacrifies and made SIND the part of pakistan.
You people son of Sardar jee (sikhh) blame on Muhajir....
sajan62 1 year ago
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tum un ka nam batao ghey jis key sath badsalooki hoe thi..... please
sosama008 1 year ago
tum un ka nam batao ghey jis key sath badsalooki hoe thi..... please
sosama008 1 year ago
pujabi ...............ur sirf punjabi
ffaiqa 1 year ago
kutta kutta kutta mar dalo esko
Mymemories1991 1 year ago
MQM means choootia group
vicky6662 1 year ago
Bohut Pehley se Sheeetani Kowatooon ke yeh kosis rahe hai k musalmanoon ko apas mein lara kar.. kamzooor keye jayee. Un ko Altaf Hussain jaisay Banday her dor mein mil jatey hain. Shikwa Altaf Hussain se nahi, Afsoos to un logon per hota hai Altaf hussain jaisay logon ko apna Leader Mantay hain. Eik Aisa Banda, Jo Jhooota, Sharaaabii, Kaatil, Dhokay baaz, Haram Khoor ho , wo kaisay Leader ho sakta hai.... wo Ap ko Sirf Tabahiii or jahanum ke taraf he lead kar SAkta hai...
forexcadet 1 year ago
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pakistan779
1 year ago 7
mqm this is a gandu jamat maderchodon ki jamat jik mohajirs ki gand altaf ne mari thi ab unki aik najai aur gandi nasal jawan hochuki hai woh sab gandu hain mqm ke workers.
hahaha gandus mqm ke bharwon machodon doob marpo teri gand kabhi bhi phat sakti hai mare ga tu hi jo itni bakwas karta ha mqm ke gandu adeakh kanjar yahoodi.
hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
ijazshahid786 1 year ago
Altaf and Musharaf both are Indian and American Agents ..they must be hang LIVE infornt of pakistan nation.
humaikhain 1 year ago
U all Pplz Are NooBzZz and Dont Know The Truth Behind the reality...!!! _!_™
8611Ash 1 year ago
@8611Ash they are not noob they are mega noob they all r bull shit ya sari Zindagi ghulam hi rehna cahtay ha ,,In beewakafoo ko koi baat na miley tu indian agent keh detay retards
snazali 1 year ago
2 B HONEST HE DONT LOOK LIKE PAKISTANI, LOOKS MORE LIKE SREESANTH COUSIN
kabooterjajaja 1 year ago 16
@kabooterjajaja tu bhi kisi sikh ki aulad hai.
mark12345678965 11 months ago
@mark12345678965 SEE MY FACE (CHANNEL) AND THEN TALK
U SHIT HEAD
kabooterjajaja 11 months ago
@kabooterjajaja TO ME TO I AM BIENG HONEST AS WELL LOOK T AT HIM AND THE WAY HE TALKS DOESN'T LOOK LIKE A PAKISTANI BUT YET GOT A LOT OF NERVE TO COPY MR Z.A BHUTTO.
khakichandio1 10 months ago
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JIT REPORT on AJMAL PHARI
AJMAL PHARI ..... kay bara me maloom houa ha kay uas na bohat say logno ke MAA KO CHODA hay…. List........ Raisani Sahi syed, nusarat javad 2 times, Isfand wali, Qadir magsi, Paligo, Kashif abbasi, Haroon Rashid, hamid mir..…etc lakin akhir may ZULFIQAR MIRZA ke maa ko chod ta howa pakra gaya.. inquiry gari hay aur nam samna aa sakta hane.. Bravooo I salute this man.
Prepared by DG ISI, DG IB, DG MI, DG kangers (MIRZA ka TATTA) & IG
most media personals r bastards
badforbad 6 months ago
Altaf killer of thousands of Mohajirs youth.... he used mohajirs for his vested interst and now he even dont want to hear the word "MOHAJIR"... Altaf aik bar tum wapis tou aao wo mohajir larkian jin k saath tum nay abbasi shaheed hospital ma badsalooki ki thi ab wo tumhara bura haal karain gi... yaad ha sab tum nay jab Abbasi Shaheed Hospital ko apni ayyashi ka markaz banaya tha
MsMohajir 1 year ago 19
@MsMohajir tum jo bhi koi ho, kam ez kam lafz"Mohajir" tu zinda rakha how hay, :)
poissondelamer 1 year ago
i totally agree with you that mr. altaf is not an honest and sincere politician, but it is the bad luck of pakistan that even after 60 years of independence it is still waiting for an honest and sincere leader.
but i do agree with mr. altaf that the division was a mistake. muslims suffered more in the partition.
we have to convey the message that we are all part of one humand family.
religion has divided us. religions is man made and evil.
religin is still killing us around the world.
zulfitareen 1 year ago
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@MsMohajir allah tum pathano or punjabion per aisa azab nazil karay jo kabhi khatam na ho, jo shuro hochuka hai ,ameen
mark12345678965 11 months ago
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u pakistanis deserve ppl like him, u send 1000's like this everyday to our country like mumbai etc................... paki bastards
akashs55555 1 year ago
@akashs55555 you r bastards, mumbai accident was a drama made by indian government to defame pakistan
but pakistan is the great
htajwar 1 year ago
G A MQM
karachist1 1 year ago
Ya Altaf Bhai Ka Nahee Sab Agencies Ka kamaal ha ...Panjabiyyyyyyyonnnn..Ab To Jagooooooo...OWL
raoofmniazi 1 year ago
RAW ki pedawaar ALTAF HUSSAIN
p3t3r99 2 years ago
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yar london sy 5 pound ka calling card ly kr 3 hrs ky liye kitni awam ko bewaqoof bna rakha hy... Altaf bhi Libara ki sim lain kafi chep hy yahan london main... 2 , 3 ghanty aur bewaqoof bna sakin gy.... hahahha... mental case hy sala.. DaDu
qt1ljbp 2 years ago
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Gandoo Kutay Ka Bacha Altaf Hussain .Madarchood Taxi driver .Teri Ma ki choot main Hathi K alurau .Aur teray monh main Hatee Ka pakhana.PAkistan Aaoo to zara .Tumharee gand kutay marain gay .Bhosaree walay .Bahan chood kutay .Pakistan ko bur kahta hay dalay.Salay Hindu Mahajir .Itnee gand hay to aaoo Pakistan Gand Pathtee hay .Dalay Ramm Hindu
dilshah 2 years ago
Partition is done, Pak is there to stay, BUT
doesn't Altaf have a good point ? There would hv been a 450 million strong muslim majority in the subcontinent. Means muslim leaders would have been a dominant ruling force all over the Indian subcontinent - just look at fractured muslim voting trends in India!! In a way, Indians had good fortune that partition happened given the ground reality today - per world bank Indian devlpmt indices above 7, gdp reserves 5th in world, no drone bombings!
iamsri 2 years ago
@iamsri see what is happening with muslims in indian region gujrat?
many have to change their name to indian names just to get a simple labour job. they have worst life their. it is always power play, even with greater muslims, power would still be played in the hands of hindus and they would never do the justice.
You have the freedom in Pakistan which u can never enjoy anywhere in the world. and belive me it is a fact.
teaser2233 2 years ago
If what you say is true, it is bad, but such name changes appear to be isolated incidents per news in the internet.
Overall Indian muslims appear to be doing reasonably ok - many leaders, presidents, industrialists, major business community in Gujarat. Bombay etc are muslims. As regards justice, there are many hindu communities that themselves do not get fast justice!! Of course, there are problems but which place with a hundred communities does not have problems?
iamsri 2 years ago 2
@iamsri ..u r point is not flawed bro...BUT..won't it hv been more bloodshed ??cuz...if india was to be 'one'...it had to be ruled by those from whom britishers snatched it!..muslims ruled india for almost 1000 yrs...with far mr justice than ayudhia, gujrat, kashmir like thngs!!!.. tell me, by any means, muslims in 47 wr able to get same rulersip?? if u honestly think, hindu majority wud hv let it happen...i agree...otherwise...its simply insane. By no democracry u cud ensure pre-1857 status
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages.. Issue is that empires rise and fall. Muslim rulers had a good time ruling the "Golden Sparrow" and sending vast amounts of wealth and gems to the middle east (the Iranian peacock throne - just one instance). India was one of the last bastions of muslim rule after the ottoman empire! When that last empire weakened the next colonial power, British took advantage and feretted huge wealth to England (the Kohinoor is just one example). Brits fell later - look at the US now..
fizzboh 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages If you think there was one continuous, peaceful land under muslim rule, you are mistaken. Small kingdoms were always at war - there was never one country.
Indians today thank the Mughals and British for bringing together an extremely diverse linguistic people (just religion is the same) for a shared future. The full integration is not finished yet but thanks to the unity (however artificial it seems to outsiders) it is going to be very very difficult to divide India again :-)
fizzboh 2 years ago
no it wont be india's division...perhaps no one wants that..except from some fabricated street slogans , which u must admit equally (or perhaps more fancifully) voiced in india as well (n tht attracts some smiles for the democracy tht my frndz lure us for the joint "democratic prowess" of all-indian muslims :)).........its a matter of fact, however indigestible for modern democracy, that for muslims , islam is not a religion alone...its a system which perhaps negates th western definition..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
..of democracy..n thts what brings them in contention with highly flawed concepts of modern socio-politics..end result...they never accept a subjugation to any other system which contradicts thr freedom ..unlike many other "religions only"....this "religion=code of life" cocncept makes them strive for thr never-subjugating passion...i hv no disagreement tht this passion , over past 2 centuries hv highly bn hijacked 4 vested interests of religious monarchy...butthts an inetrnal flaw...
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
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..of democracy..n thts what brings them in contention with highly flawed concepts of modern socio-politics..end result...they never accept a subjugation to any other system which contradicts thr freedom ..unlike many other "religions only"....this "religion=code of life" cocncept makes them strive for thr never-subjugating passion...i hv no disagreement tht this passion , over past 2 centuries hv highly bn hijacked 4 vested interests of religious monarchy...butthts an inetrnal flaw...
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
...it nvr snubs this "two nation theory"!!!..."no surrender to political system tht SHOWS others ruling them"......n i, if remain impartial for a moment, wud suggest...it shudnt be suppressed cuz tht wud bring problems for suppressors too.....my only point....co-exist....co-exist in independance.....respect each others sovereignity...had it be no-Pakistan...i bet, u wud hv nvr ths feeling tht India wont be divided :)...it may not (n shud not NOW) but..in othr case..a constant pain fr indians :)
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages I guess the aftermath of 911 and US involvement in our region has been more of a boon to India. Pak may have been a pain or irritant to India before the US invasion, but is it so now?
Good point on partition, but you fail to notice that India has more muslim population than Pak - also if Indian muslims have been so subjugated and discriminated against as Pakis tend to believe, there would have been 100 more riots - an eventual re-partition.
fizzboh 2 years ago
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4agebeyondages 2 years ago
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no offense, just for having ur insight into it...M F Hussein quits his indian nationality forever..surrenders his passport to indian mission yesterday and is now a Qatari national...while all scars world's 'fair' media put on Pak...y such incidents dnt make a real big buzz?..whatever..my point is ..they cant tolerate an ultra-liberal Hussain BUT a blasphemous taslima nasreen or give protocol to rushdi...even if in shards..all such incidnts remind us y shud v value Pakistan
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Hehhh.. 95 yr old M F Husain made a career of 50+ years in the same India where he earned all plaudits and crores in awards in spite of nude images of Hindu Gods/Goddesses over 40 years. Can you imagine a budding artist Hari Kumar paint fully clothed pictures of God/Prophet/Wife in any Islamic nation and flourish, however liberal? Come on, be fair :-)
fizzboh 2 years ago
while i firmly stand for strict law against blasphemus acts whatever religion they are against, im surprised with all the rationality we had been talking with, u missed a huge huge difference while mapping MF Hussain's case to whatever u said...UK, kathmandu, malaysia, singapore..i have visited indian hindus run temples n m witness to so many of effigies of hindu holy characters, part of whatever sacred narratives, were either nude or even semi-sexual acts...i dnt point thm out jst compare..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Glad you gave me a chance to clear that misconception used in the xtian/muslim world - none of Hindu Gods or Goddesses are ever shown naked anywhere inside any temple in the world! Only day-to-day life of people, kings, apsaras.. indulging in daily acts - including intimate sexual ones sometimes adorn the outsides of temples much like Greece or Italy.
In spite of this, MFH's work was tolerated for so long - because people in general do not care much - fringe political parties made it an issue.
fizzboh 2 years ago
..to a religion or culture where for decades even photographic images of commons were debatable...sketches of holy icons apart. if its blashpemous, plz plz visit all these places i mentioned n ask ur people to demolish all that stuff..atleast go to Kathmandu n clear off all practical kamsutra aasans from holy places of worship....i wud say, if its established blasphemy i stand for even hanging MF Hussain...otherwise be fair in this case too :-) it shudnt be a blasphemy only whn a muslim dz it,
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Different religions have different yardsticks of God/s and holiness and punishment. There is no heaven or hell or devil or "punishments for the slightest sin" in Hinduism.
Even if some of his art is blasphemous for some Hindus, why should MF Hussain be hanged? - he was exonerated by the Indian supreme court for "freedom of expression" - talk about liberalism. Try painting naked portaits of Jesus/Mary in christian countries !
fizzboh 2 years ago
...a very important argument to stand with my point.....the first i came across MF Hussain's issue was nothing other than a plethora of web postings by hindus from india...mostly from congress as they mentioned it...now plz be rational here too as u are...religious blasphemy shudn't have political frame to fit in :).....they all were regretting that "fanatics" led to MF Hussain's exit....i cnt believe congress has all 'free-thinkers'! with no value for hinduism
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
The issue is "freedom of expression". It is the way courts and normal people in liberated countries behave. Congress prides itself on it's secular credentials which is true to an extent (tho' a couple of Congress leaders were responsible for instigating the Sikh riots in '84 after Indira Gandhi was killed)
Of course, there are immature people too who carry their religion on their sleeve who can be instigated by religious parties - like there are immature. easily-instigated people globally.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..disappointing to c a person who initially stood against 'western- interests' in subcontinent politics, harping on th same tune called "freedom of speech"...muslims or hindus, my frnd, the western notion of 'freedom of speech' was historically a disgrace to our region...n u knw y...cuz...in east people by default own ettiquetes, m sure even in india children r groomed with mannrism to avoid hurting anyone...by word n by act...west propagated 'freedom of speech' under satanists..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..my only 'freedom' is to express n PRACTICE what i believe is right WITHOUT calling names or derogating in words wht they r into..tht gives me only chance to someday see them interestd in what i do...otherwise...its just hatred tht will go on..wars..killings...dont u c what islam is going thru?? they hv made us publically an icon of intolereance thru media..while in genrl we r not..evn our newer genrations hv startd believing what "funded mullahs" want ->'CONVERT other by FORCE"..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages But won't you agree that Pak has really screwed up due to military defacto rule and policies? India in spite of it's million faults and contradictions seems to be doing much better internally and in the global stage. (now don't quote to me dalits, naxalites, 100 separatist movements etc.) It's like saying China is doing bad due to mistreatment of Uighurs, Falun gong, christians etc. Or the US is doing pathetic due to race riots (as recent as 70s), racism in a multicultural state
fizzboh 2 years ago
c...in todays world...its not difficult to 'fabricate' public opinion n now everyone knows where is media being controlled from...do ur search, associated press, reuters, CNN, Fox , bbc and load of local stuff belong to a very limited set of people..tell me...why india never had world mittals, ambanis n all before 1991?? nothng revolutionery happend within india at tht time.infact ppl like indra n rajiv wr gone..simple is it..it ws a geo-strategic shift smwhere in west..they wntd india look big.
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
You are right that western media does a lot of targeted public perception and manipulation - for instance for winning support for the Afghan/ Iraq wars.I am not sure what they get by propping up China and India - the two nations that seem to have the most money and highest economy rates today. Mittal is UK based - no India contributions. Looks like Ambani was always a bigwig in India. Only in 1991 when the Indian economy/markets were opened up to the west by Manmohan Singh, Ambani went global.
fizzboh 2 years ago
no disagreement...yet point remains there....individual success stories from india never made it to global horizon untill unless 'someone', 'somewhere' else wanted it to be...for 'their' agenda...n trust me..same applies to current state of Pakistan...they want it this way..n though there contrivings r never 100% successful yet they get it most...Pakistan despite all "forecasts" of "some think tanks" in late 90s didn't collapse by 2009!...Baluchistan never separated by 2007..Sarhad provine..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Yes, individual success stories from India were only noticed or publicized after 1991 - after the markets opened up (the so called Globalization).
I believe that given Pak size, manpower, if the people's abilities were properly harnessed, it's economy can be resuscitated and it has the potential to be a powerhouse - but Pak Army will never allow a stable democracy to take root and undergo 3-4 cycles (like for eg. South Africa). The army stands to lose most of the outside funds & prime resources
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ...madrassah along kandahar and, near jalalbad in afghanistan...everyone knws wht this means. But anywways, i sum up..the future of india n pakistan lies in an HONEST recognition of each other, live and let live...otherwise hawks will enjoy n both populations will have Up n Down swings..good for indians today, downfall tomorrow..n vice versa for Pakistanis.hope they get rational
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
..despite a CNN, Fox, BBC projected anticipations of falling to Taliban by 2008...never happened. ofcrse..Pakistan hs paid a lot of proce..staggering...yet standing. n im sure...indian will go through a good phase too even if its not that "alluring" as they made it in begining of 2000s..n hopefully indian strategist will get th point that a 'falling' Pakistan will surely make them fall too...c..nukes wars apart...indians cud nevr had enjoyed progress of earlier ths decade HAD it ...
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Pak and innocent people are paying a heavy price, no doubt. I take all news predictions with huge pinches of salt - but I myself could never imagine that things could ever go to such an extent in Pakistan as 2008-09 have shown.
India has it's multitude of issues to resolve (like raising half it's population out of poverty), Pak has some key ones too. I do not think any defence expert in India would want Pak to fail - the worst nightmare scenario, not only for the countries, but for the people.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..innocent people r paying th price all over..Pakistan, afghanistan, Iraq , kashmir r on a higher side of loss..even those who died in 911 were innocents and those who passed away in mumbai...but ur judgement abt PK army is highly poised with the opinions indian media machine, RAW and govt inculcates...m not a proponent of armies running the countries or military being the symbol of piety BUT...
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Hmmm - my judgement on the PK army is more based on long conversations with Pak friends, on the editorials in Pak newspapers by ayaz amir, Irfan Hussien, Mahir Ali, Kamran Shafi, Paracha and a vast number of opinion videos in youtube by international and Pak intellectuals like Ahmed Rashid, Tariq Ali, Khaled Ahmed, Vali Nasr, Pamela Constable, Nazir Naji, Asghar Khan, Javed Chodhary.- some of these people are patriots with army backgrounds. I got pointers to those people from Pak friends only.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh i do not disagree with the idea of minimal involvement of military in state's admin affairs..infact knowing many miliary families there quite closely...i must say its a matter of discomfort for most of the professional army people..they themselves hate it..but yes..no doubt..u always get some rogues out there on top..even 1 or 2 can hijack it. everyone knws even in army tht such involvements hamper thr actual trainings n preparedness ....
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@fizzboh "western FUNDED" was not a happenstance or prejudiced remark either :)...im myself living abroad for quite so long..trust me..most of these r really 'funded'...dnt u think an outstanding white collar career as a pseudo-resarch scholar or media expert for sm1 who acually used 2 b below avg in his/her earlier academic endeavors in pak, an ample incentive to propagate whatever 'masters' say??..they develop a knack of presenting 'half truths' beautifully!!..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
While there may be some truth in the "western funded" notion of some Pakistani writers, in the same token, isn't there truth in the theory that spokespeople of "think tanks" like Zaid Hamid, Hamid Gul etc are also heavily army funded to keep Pakistani public support using hateful "us versus them" rhetoric and vast conspiracy theories? For instance the constant rantings against civilian rule, unflinching support for military, illogical storm against accountability provisions of kerry-luger bill.
fizzboh 2 years ago
while i agree with all the fuss in media about current government...the fact that despite developing a heroic impression (once musharaf went, the 'sacred cow' image was back soon), army top brass dd not even get into statements destabilizing so-called democracy....isnt it worth mentioning? the 'rod' scare is there ofcourse BUT thts so important 4 keeping zardari in limits NOT prime minister's govt...while knoing so much abt pak politics u wud hv bn aware of hw zardari got up there
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
...playing on his wife's unfortunate demise, the man who could hardly be respected even among a handful of ppl suddely rose to the premiership..everyone remembers nancy powell n other's meeting in late nights with him in US embassy n othr safe houses in islamabad while he was on a public rampage of rhetorics that "I WONT BE A PRESIDETIAL CANDIDATE"...kerrylouger issue was a "message" to him NOT to the government..notice pak PM is enjoying an unprecedentd support of military...as subordintes..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
..anyways..its a fact that western influence in Pakistan is far too much compared to india n thts y sometimes people ignore this fact under what circumstances military as institution has to act..no doubt it also paves way for degenrate individuals to hijack the moves...while i detest this loophole, one must understand the opposite is not an option as it is...imagine some "thoroughly hated charcaters" on top levels given freehand in pak..whose sole credential is "West" wantd them..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages Politics and corruption go hand in hand - personally, I would be happier with corrupt yet Able politicians rather than honest simpletons who can't get the work done. Maybe Zardari should have been given the benefit of doubt unless he proves to be completely incompetent. Anyway, my only point is that civilian leaders (however corrupt, or incompetent or western stooges) should not be considered as excuses for imposing army rule.
fizzboh 2 years ago
..in india's case, pehaps devolution of feudal sysatem in early days helped a lot in establishing writ of commons despite th fact that corruption is as common there as in Pakistan...Pakistan's feel allienated when the imposed version of demoracy brings a limited 'ruling class' thru politics agn n agn...yet...with the things on ground there...im sure..if musharaf had to surrender, no other "so-called democratic premier" wud b able to have a freehand as in past...one hs to be optimist :)
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages Yes, corruption is rampant in gpvt services in India. It has been reducing very gradually over the last 5-10 years but still a big problem. Freer media, accountability commissions and some honest politicians have helped. You are bang on target that devolution of feudal system would have helped Pak as it did India.
fizzboh 2 years ago
..n just for ur older comments abt pakis taking indians seriously..ref: gen kapoor...if its funny, it is not more than indian govt gettin in panic with statements of hafiz saeed..i mean, hating an 'enemy of state' , trying to get hold of him thru intl protocols is a difrnt thing but prime minister, foreign minister almost in ranting makes th man go out of proportions!!..gen kapoor is atleast militry chief of the 'foes'..his sanity is very imp 4 both pak n china to avoid misadvntures ...
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages Actions speak louder than mere words. For most Indians, Hafiz Saeed was the architect of the 2008 Mumbai attack, so stmts from him get more weight-age. While there is potential for army elements to disobey civilian rule in India, this has never happened in the history of independant India,
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh on the othr hand..i agree, western education broaden our horizons and there r many people, professionals out here overseas who, while criticising state of affairs bk home, never become blindfolded to what some 'corners' want them to believe..i told u, there had to be sm reasons tht despite stunning jolts Pakistan is still surviving n m sure will get better too...those reasons r the "OTHER half" of th truth which "global" media is intent on hiding....
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyondages In the west the "critical questioning" and "listening to many viewpoints" is a kind of check against media perceptions. That is why, people tend to analyze media better here, rather than in our countries where emotionalism is the norm.
Things getting better in Pakistan is good for both nations. Direct western involvement can then stop in the subcontinent.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..btw interestingly some of the names u mentioned have been critically knocked down for authenticity of their reporting :)..yet i appreciate tht u had a blend of right n left wings for ur readings...thankfully pervez hoodbhai is not there..lol......at th end..despite sm reservations agnst western definition of democracy...i ardently believe, govrnment is not a matter of military junta..common masses have a right to define modus operandi for thr state
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@4agebeyond - I personally have not seen instances where the names I mentioned have ever been critically knocked down for lack of authenticity or logic - most of these people, Pak or international are known reporters. I knew that Hasan Nisar or the MIT educated Hoodbhoy would be contentious :-)
And it will of course have to be local flavor of jamooriath - 2-party democracy cannot work at all in India, for instance. Coalitions are there to stay.
fizzboh 2 years ago
India media, govt etc. have mostly tit for tat reactive news on Pak or reflective of any Pak wrongdoing straight from International news similar to some Pak newspapers - with more exaggeration. I hate the kind of news in mainstream Indian news like TOI, express nowadays due to the bad quality and commercialism. One can denounce my sources as western or Indian influenced, anti-military, but the state of Pakistan today is squarely due to army policies, whatever their contribution to development.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ...its a fact that..Pakistan army is rooted deep in society...thr is never a feeling among commons that they r alienated class...trust me...officials of ranks of brigadiers have lifestyles simpler than an avg 30 yrs old engg graduate in frst 2 yrs of his job..if smthing goes wrong...it goes wrong in very few individuals n that too at top brass..musharaf, yahya khan were icons of tht personas..n u see whts thr popularity out in society..musharaf cant dare going back home..BUt Kayani..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
I understand that the Pak army is well loved and very popular in the country as it should be. And that some of the officers lead simple lives - but the fact is that the army runs the largest real estate business in Pakistan under the auspices of defense Housing and other welfare societies. Also, extensive economic activities and cushy administrative positions for retired personnel. This may be common in Pak, but it is uncommon in the developed world to see such heavy involvement of military.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ...immediately after musharaf surrendered, regained all the heartwining of the nation by displaying a very professional general, winning strategic victories in Afghanistan, responding gracefully (not over reacting) to gen. deepak kapoor's rather childish stateents smtime back, preparedness agnst indian military tactics n keeping himself at safe distance frm national politics..n thts how civil n military story goes in Pakistan...my frndz hated it when musharaf appointd his buddies...
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
True, Mushy did step down, he need not have. About that Deepak Kapoor stmt - I think Pak takes things too seriously - if you search "general deepak kapoor stmt" almost 95% of sites are Pakistani. Indians do not take their military as seriously as Pakis - because the military by itself cannot do a thing without the civilian leadership giving a go-ahead. Also, Indian military has to think about bigger threats given that Indian economy and resources will be in contention and competition in future
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..in civilian setups...its stupidity..but kayani called all of thm back...western funded writers come up with fanciful books like 'Military Inc.' in pakistan..honestly c th stats...Paksitan's half of energy comes frm hydal power n only 2 reservoirs (largest in asia till2000) were build under Gen.Ayub Khan, though Bhutto ws founder of Paki nukes..it ws Gen. Zia who protected it at a time when whole world ws aftr it even his allies CIA couldnt get it..rzn y he ws 'disposed off' soon aftr
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
I am not sure why it is that when people write about the current system with a different lens they are derided as "western funded writers" - "western educated" maybe.
Maybe you are right about your nukes being safe-guarded by the military better - but again I do not know why you feel that a civilian govt would have surrendered Pak's crown jewels when you still have a military doing it's primary job - only not doing administration.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..currently Pakistan's most successful industrial plants r those run by 'Fauji Foundation', a company supported for welfare of retired servicemen but interestingly 80% of its employees r civilians..same goes for National Logistics...in infrastructure projects...all these projects, employment, money is WITHIN Pak boundries..unlike most of th politicians..m sure..dnt need to share what president Zardari is going thru in courts..BUT..all tht never ever justifies military reigns..agree
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Agreed, the army was involved in some development projects. But given that democracy has never been greater than a five year affair in Pak, the main rulers have had to do some good at the least! As I always say, it needs at least 3-4 cycles of political leadership for democracy to even start showing results. You know one really positive that has come out of Mushy's rule - the seeds of an independant judiciary.
fizzboh 2 years ago
...not bn Pak to cushion the wave of repurcussions from Afghan war....imagine all these suicidal attacks happening in india with th same frequency as these did in Pakistan till rcent yrs...n as i told u...Muslims by default r hot blooded...thr wont hv been a political way (or 'non-muslim' Military wayeither) to handle it....my point, its absolute useless for Pakis to devour India just the same way it wud be stupidity for indians to think of destabilizing Pakistan.once founded.. ought to exist!!
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
True, what's happened has happened. Too much bad blood now to even imagine what could be. And even if the Indians wanted, the US would not allow India to do anything at this juncture to destabilize Pakistan.
fizzboh 2 years ago
..just an observation abt how wetsern powers have manipulated indians...for media reign e.g...i never watched any complete bolllywood movie after 1998..but i did watch several from late 70s, 80s.. m nt tht old :)..only 1 rzn. ur older movies wr more focused on real life issues, probs of people, society..but once "doors opened"..b honest..aint they always talkin abt a class tht dznt mk even 1% of indian society? its more abt fictitious dreaming than helping originals to stand with diginity.
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Hehh, more like 5% of the society now.. but most Bollywood movies are for commercial consumption for the masses - only 10% of the movies have any real value and out of those only half are worth watching. Having said this, 4-5 releases out of 200 or so every year, are pretty good ones. Though songs have become bad and worse year after year and are sometimes even copied, some original songs are to be listened to. You would be surprised at some recent imdb 9.0 rated bwood flicks - not bad at all.
fizzboh 2 years ago
..n no doubt...u had hardworking ppl alongwith corrupt-est..but they wr thr even before..y nvr brought india up??...its a temporary shift..so easy..lure 'their' corporates to tap india which in cold-war wasnt needed...n for Pakistan..its thr requirement to mk th country look down...within thr boundries...excpt frm security issues they aint tht bad either...if u say, they r on aid..well..its west's need to do tht cuz if they stop it....Pakis will b out of ths dependnce...n they can do it..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
@fizzboh ...we just hope that in future 'hawks' never make to decision making positions...n u will agree to me, they r on both sides...if some corrupt individuals on our side cud plan agnst indian civlians solely for individual gains , many across th border r making indian govt invest in Afghanistan just to engage paki forces from opposite border n keeping pressure away frm indian borders..i ws socked to once hear frm a confidential report about 'indian' "development funds" to 80 madrassahs..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Hehhh.. 95 yr old M F Husain made a career of 50+ years in the same India where he earned all plaudits and crores in awards in spite of nude images of Hindu Gods/Goddesses over 40 years. Can you imagine a budding artist Hari Kumar paint fully clothed pictures of God/Prophet/Wife in any Islamic nation and flourish, however liberal? Come on, be fair :-)
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..my saying 'holy characters' was never pointing 'God or gods' tht hindus worship..my point was just...nudity is acceptable atleast in some form around thr places of worship...muslims have a 180 degree opposite religious culture...u cant compare.
second: hanging MF hussain was connotative..i m surprised u tk it literally..i simply meant...whatever anti-blasphemous law they hav, he shud have been indicted strictly...
...last but not least,..for now..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Exactly, with no understanding you cannot compare. There are tens of thousands of different forms for worship in Hinduism and different kinds of temples too - maybe 1% of them have some freeform or nude image portrayals of day to day characters outside the temples! That does not give *anyone* the license to paint nude the common forms of worship just because the bulk of people are tolerant most times. Also realize that millions get offended by such portrayals just like the prophet cartoons.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..they wanted to uproot, humiliate, demarr all icons of relgion..all those religions that deterred thr expansionism, exploitation and talked abt humanity, welfare.....wht e u talkin abt christian blasphemy in west??..i hv myself seen 'dancing jesus' extremely blasphemous videos on public channels...they do it..openly..if u r hindu, be honest...as a muslim if i start arguing without respecting ur believes, wont it hurt you??...it will.....n so do i have a right to b respectd 4 my beliefs
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Per my reading of our discussion, if one started to argue without even a basic understanding of a religion for millions, it is a recipe for argument. I did not use a narrow example of nudity and stereotype it to all Hindus - I have never disrespected or demeaned your belief here.
However, don't you feel that the interpretation of "Blasphemous" in almost all Islamic countries is too strict and wide compared to the rest of the world (Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Jews) ?
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ...while..'freedom of thought', 'freedom of choice' is what everyone MUST exercise n others shud respect (n believe me, real islam stands 4 it too.."your responsibility is only to convey the message..choice is theirs" ..fraction of mullahs changd thngs 4 thr interests).........on th contrary..'Freedom of expression' without caring for others.... is just a ruthless way of hurting others..i abhore idol worship..hindus do it...my religion gives me no right to start yelling at those who do.
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Good points, understood. I don't do those and expect others not to do so, either.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ...n its cuz of mass acceptance of "u hv a right to hurt others just cuz u feel an urge for it".....thn this wrong notion tht muslims in Pakistan stand only aginst balsphemies to our Prophet (PBUH)..they do so even if it Jesus Christ, Mosses or even 4 hindus(thou they r less than 1%)..yet i remember aftrmaths of babri mosque 4m cildhood days..scores of muslim locals protecting 2 hindu temples near jacobabad frm an "unidentified" threat to demolish in revenge..
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Again, good points to know, I am well aware about the friendly natures of most Lahoris or Karachittes.
There are many illiterate people who can be easily instigated by political or military leaders especially in a subcontinent with emotional people like us. Babri Masjid demolition was unfortunate. During the riots, there were scores of hindus who protected their muslim neighbors - ditto with Sikhs during the anti-sikh riots in '84.
fizzboh 2 years ago
@fizzboh ..only a few dozen fanatics demolished an abandoned temple like residential building near lahore's anarkali in a staged protest..govt n general public ensured neither of few hundrad hindus in lahore have any loss in property , life or religious places....BUT..i knw..a common indian do believe all roads in karahi, lahore, islamabad r full of ranting muslim belligerant to attack hinduism n uproot it at all...u cnt deny, thts nt th perception?:)..real worlds differ too much
4agebeyondages 2 years ago
Ditto with India, if you do not believe talk personally to many Indian muslims. When India was formed, the founders believed in a secular constitution for all. Of course, the implementation cannot be perfect, as you well know.
Babri Masjid in Ayodhya for some core Hindus was like an Idol temple in Mecca or Madina. It also symbolized the the first wave of invasions and the dismantling of temples for those people - I am not trying to justify mindless destruction but how easy it is for incitement.
fizzboh 2 years ago
Wrong perception, I do not believe many Indians think that roads in Pakistan are full of hate crimes. There is some concern about the blasphemy laws, distortion of history in schools, decline in minority population etc.
Riots in India bring out the worst in mobs - but day to day muslim life is normal too!
I know that common people in both countries appreciate similar values, share a culture and possibly a shared future without the interference from other powers with their own agendas.
fizzboh 2 years ago
and all the kadyanis are united for Altaf
as an appreciation of what MQM has done to promote them in Pakistan
omeraftab1 2 years ago 2
All Wahabis are united against Altaf Hussain.
TheSolitaryRex 2 years ago 2
@ssajjad
u r rite they alll need to learn sum ethics and humanity
alihusain91 2 years ago 2
i dnt think that these ppl have families or any background.
or they ever had been to any primary school to learn sum good ways n manners
the only school they know is 9 0
omeraftab1 2 years ago 2
ur way of talking shows ur family and ur background.
very gud,it shows how illiterate u nine zero ppl are
alihusain91 2 years ago 4
united we stand divided we fall.we should unite together as PAKISTANIS against over enemies and not just divide into punjabis n muhajirs........coz by dis division only our enemy will be in advantage
omeraftab1 2 years ago 2
you know, it's people like you who promote even further how pathetic and cruel the people of MQM are. Misguided fool, you are nothing but a brainwashed follower of the Pakistani version of Hitler. I fear for Karachi and the rest of Sindh. I always have, because mindless retards and slaves of Altaf the tyrant like you have made living there hell.
Your rotten language speaks how much you have been Islamically educated. This kind of insulting is something the Prophet (PBUH) preached against.
ssajjad89 2 years ago
Good one
yeah skibb19 man u r rite bro
zumikashmiri 2 years ago
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q sidra baji altaf bhai kya aap ki maar k bhagay thay jo ap itna napasand karti hain unhay. ;)
marwat92 2 years ago
This is a girl you are talking to. It goes to show how much of an unmannered and brainwashed dog of tyrant Altaf you have become. Bravo. You misguided and mindless fools never cease to amaze me. Please leave the common folk of Karachi alone. We just want to feed our families, not a bloodthirsty hellhound like Altaf.
Kthnxbye
ssajjad89 2 years ago 2