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  • Olivia has sexy beautiful eyes, you can smelt in her eyes, I that woman is trully very beautiful love here.

  • i really miss them and GL

  • I love Olivia's lips in this scene..beautiful and she folds them in alot..sexy.

  • cc is so beautiful

  • I wonder if CC ad libbed the line "Billy Lewis can smell a meal a mile away". They both seem genuinely entertained by it, especially JL.

  • Nat should have said "what if what makes me happy is you"

  • I don't know how many times I've watched this (<200 times) but the acting on JL's part from 0:50 - 0:54 .....freakin' amazing!! I love how both actresses can speak VOLUMES without saying a word...beautiful to watch

  • I don't think Natalia wants a new routine Liv!!!

  • aaaaaw, i love the hand holding at 0:10

  • gotta tell you after two whole months of only hand holding, I kinda got sick of it :D

  • all this suspence.........I'm gonna need a heart transplant!

  • jaajjjajaajajajajjaja funny lol

  • @catchic3 haha me too, I love these two

  • I think after Liv told Nat that she would never do anything to get in the way of her being happy-Nat realized (at least at that pt. on a subconscious level) that if she were going to be happy- she would have to make some choices that weren't so safe but that she knew in her heart were right. "Wake up with you" sounds so nice...and the lyrics to the song "The things you thought you'd never do-they found you out-caught up with you.." Perfect!

  • will they ever end up together??

  • While the acting was amazing all the way around, I also have to give major kudos to the director and camera folks for the porch scene. The way that was shot was just beautiful. IMO.

  • i know what she thought she was going to say. she thought that she was going to confess her feeling in front of everyone

  • I love that Olivia has a bruise on her knee. Was that from Rock Band day? That pan back is so swoon worthy :)

  • that episode was hilarious

  • i did not notice that. but in the spa episodes where she is wearing this purple dress she still has that bruise.

  • i don't think it's a bruise

  • is this the scene they talked about in the podcast where natalia has Olivia's hand between hers? , the one the pop up blocked and we couldn't see? which one is it??!! I want it!!

  • most depressed bride ever! She looks like she wants to die every time she talks about the wedding. That wedding is going to be pretty ridiculous. Still every scene is perfectly acted down to every last detail..I cant say it enough but CC&JL have a enormous amount of chemisty it almost seems effortless. Fun to watch!

  • "I got it." Yup Liv, not only Nat's hand, but her heart, too! Now, if you two could only get it together pretty soon so I can get my life back I'd be very thankful.

  • Does anybody know the song that plays in the background..it was either the 4/1 or 4/2...the only lyrics I caught were something like "What if I'm wrong and you don't feel the same..." I've searched high and low and can't figure it out.

  • the song is from naimee coleman and it is called GAVE IT ALL AWAY...its in the graveyard episode, where CC is crying near Gus's grave.

  • **OTALIA SPOILERS - WEEK OF APRIL 6TH**

    *Olivia wants to help Natalia with her wedding plans.

    *Emma sees Natalia crying in her wedding dress and tells Olivia.

    *Emma puts the idea out there that maybe Natalia doesn't want to marry Frank.

    *Natalia walks down the aisle!

  • Did they actually show Natalia crying? Or is it just Emma saying afterwards? Cause that's all I saw in the comp. clip.

  • they didnt show it

  • Yeah no, they didn't show it.

    Man this week is gonna be intense! :(

  • what do you man? is it anywhere on youtube? cuz I can't see it on cbs cuz I' not on the US :( .... and you're right! I can't wait till tuesday!!

  • See what? Nat crying? They didn't show that in the last ep! Emma just tells Liv what she saw.

  • The song from the porch scene is "Gave It All Way" by Naimee Coleman. Great song.

    Great Scene...CC & JL AMAZING!!!!

  • Are you sure that's it? I can't find it anywhere and I love it!

  • i'm sure it's it...i put it on my ipod...the only place i found it was on her myspace page. naimee coleman

  • *thud*

    that's all i gotta say

  • Olivia wants to help Natalia with her wedding plans.

    Emma sees Natalia crying in her wedding dress.

    Emma tells Olivia about what she saw.

    Emma puts the idea out there that maybe Natalia doesn't want to marry Frank.

    Is Emma right?

    Natalia walks down the aisle.

  • Yes I love the way she works her eyes too. Have you notice how her gaze seem to have gradually moved from "your my friend" to "I want to do you" LOL Gotta love that in a girl.

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  • Somene looks like....they don't want a NEW routine! Hey Nat... no reason to try to fix...something that isn't broken!

  • monday 6th april cbs gl page at exact 8:45 pm very inpotant if as many of u can be there and refresh the page. very very inpotant!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Okay, it's buggin me... what's that last song on the porch?

  • I've always hated soap operas. I remember the disgustingly popular 'Luke&Laura' saga on General Hospital when I was in Jr. High. I occasionally had to suffer through them while visiting my grandmother. I hated soaps mostly because they were so exaggeratedly hetero--not so much as a fleeting homosexual thought among any of the characters, & the women were always fighting over men--conniving and contriving & cat-fighting. Nothing about soaps resonated for me...until now...

  • I love that Olivia & Natalia are questioning their feelings & that there is a robust character like Doris. People like this exist in the real world, intermingled among heterosexuals. Yet, this relationship of Otalia is hugely controversal--even among lesbians who have analyzed it to death. Olivia is a beautiful, strong, sometimes caustic, intense, sexy, womanly character. Some lesbians are struggling to define her, incorrectly calling her "butch." She's a TOP--perfect counterpart to Nat.

  • I agree.  Well said.

  • I've never seen such an unhappy bride as Natalia. Why is she going through with this, dammit. It should be simple: you marry because you're in love. Does she love Frank? No. She's said it several times, then what is her justification?? Makes no sense. I know she's afraid, but the answer isn't marrying some bozo of a man. I can't stand this tension anymore, it's driving me crazyyyyy!!! :)

  • i think cc has the most amazin eyes and how she uses them to show her emotions are just fantastic . im really hooked on the show and ive been writing emails to save the light. im not that much into soaps back home becouse they always copy storys and im just not that into them but i actually like guiding light i think olivia is just so funny and i hope they find a new home . go otalia

  • Yeah, CC has beautiful eyes. I've never seen another actress emotion the way Crystal does. She is amazing. I'm hooked on CC!! She is absolutely brilliant.

  • Agreed, her eyes are absolutely stunning, just like the woman herself. I always have to think of The Fray's song "Ungodly Hour":

    Don't talk, don't say a thing

    Cause your eyes they tell me more than your words

    Don't go, don't leave me now

    Cause they say the best way out is through

    Now, if only Nat would see it, too. Sigh.

  • The Fray song is so a propos. All roads lead to CC's eyes.  :-)

  • I can't help but see this clip as a huge turning point. Natalia sending Frank away, sitting with Olivia instead, talking about how she will miss her current routine, etc... she's really starting to come to terms with the idea that Olivia+Natalia=Happy... and nothing else is going to equal happy.

  • I think the end could be as this : the blonde woman will get ill again and on her last day at the hospital, the brunette will tell her : I love you ! But we could get lucky before the end of the year ! We could find a fresh new soap !

  • I was thinking the exact same thing the other day, I feel a sense of something happening that none of us Otalia fans will be ready for. Let's cross our fingers and hope that this soap will get picked up by another network. NO AMC they will destroy Otalia for sure.

  • Ok, so will someone tell the writers to use Katy Perry's song "Thinking of you" for this couple......perfect song for them.

    Or even PCD's "I'm Done."

  • OMG, u are so right, the lyrics to Thinking of You are a peeeefect fit.

    *sings in her best shower voice*

    ''When I'm with him, I'm...thinking of you..He kissed my lips I taste your mouth, oohhohhhh, he pulled me in, I was disgusted (with frankfurter and) myself!'' LOL, someone do this vid, pleeeeasee :D

  • gatorgirl, thanks for the heads up about that article. I had heard about it, but couldn't find it either. And I've discovered the website that is Big Purple Dreams, only THE BEST WEBSITE EVER!!!!! Wow, so grateful for that!

    And about that 'walking down the aisle' spoiler.. maybe that'll be the turning point. It better be! B/c I just CANNOT accept her marrying that weenie!

  • Hi Uhaulhasaflatt! Not that I'm an expert in soaps but the storylines do not have to be shown everyday, although sometimes it is. So, the best way to know if Otalia will be on is to watch it everyday! (This helps with the ratings and we need them!!) :) But if you really want to know, the previews shown at the end will let us know if they'll be on the next day....

  • Thanks a bunch gatorgirl. Everyday it is. lol. I love this story and I hope they keep moving in a positive direction.

  • omg, me and my first girlfriend use to do the handholding thing just like they just did. i was like accidentally on propose. we weren't even togather yet but we would be talking and our hand would end up coming togather. I loved it. these two belong togather

  • Does anyone know the song/artist at the end of this clip?

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  • Ok I am new to this Soap Opera Genre. So, I have question.. is there certain days of the week for certain storylines Or do you have to watch each day in hopes that they play an Otalia clip?

  • OTALIAFAN!!! No need to respond, I found the article....

    If there is someone on here that has not visited (or taken the time to browse) Big Purple Dreams, then you MUST go there NOW! Otaliafan, you have done an amazing job with these videos, the site and everything in between! I truly admire you and all the others who participate in BPD! BEAUTIFUL SITE! Glad I'm a member! :)

  • Good God Otaliafan - these videos are fantastic.  The HQ is amazing!! I know we've all said it a million times, but it can't be said enough - thanks for the uploads! Thankfully we don't have to pay for them....we'd all be broke wouldn't we?! lol

  • Excuse me Liv...can I borrow that broom for a sec...*whacks Nat on the head* *whacks Liv on the head*...*hands broom back to Liv* ta.

  • LOFL so the broom is now the stupid stick huh?

  • Question to OTALIAFAN (whereever you are): I've been diligently searching for press on Otalia and I found a great website with articles featuring both Crystal and Jessica. I found one that seems to be "inactive" can I get a link to it?

    It was labeled: She Said/She Said....

    Oh, I really hope my request is not hopeless! :) If anyone knows what I'm talking about, please help me find this article....thank you!

  • natalia is irritating me - i know we don't really get her point of view but seriously - what up?

  • I still LOVE this scene of these two. So real and full of emotion

    And the first few seconds are so cute! :)

  • I don't see how they are logically gonna go from Natalia not even wanting to set a date, to her walking down the aisle next week...

  • "And then... we come home and put Emma to bed. And wake up here. With you."

    AHH.SDOGAJFDSLGR.Defjwasofjsod­kglse. Why, this is like torture? And seriously, i love how Nat just comments on how great the speech was, sort of glazes over the underlying meaning of it all.

  • o-kaay...

    there have been rumors of the show being cancelled for awhile tho.

  • K, so speaking of spoilers, I just read one of what's coming that said "Natalia walks down the aisle"... NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Hi everybody! can someone tell my the name of the song at the end? Thanks

  • God Otaliafan I hope you're right about that wedding. If Nat and Frank get married, I'm going to break my TV, then go into cardiac arrest...

  • where are the spoilers that you are getting?

  • I think that it is very special to see that Olivia is taking care of the domestic chores in this clip and it is Olivia that makes the coffee to take to Natalia since we are used to Natalia being the "nurturing" one in the relationship

    Also, have to say, that hand holding was quite something!!

  • Liv put the ball in Nat's court. Natalia must make the first move. Catching Liv off guard would be very sexy! I think the "new routine" comment was referring to the show ending. heavy sigh...

  • It was not in reference to the show ending. this was filmed more than a month ago. They film 4-6 weeks in advance.

  • ok thanks

  • so in ur view whats suppose to happen

  • Read the spoilers...the wedding will probably be stopped. Emma tells Liv next week that she saw Nat crying and thinks she does not want to marry Frank and is not happy.

  • Yes!!! Way to go little Jellybeans. That's +2 for you (Emm you're still a little behind with all the negatives you've accumulated with all the interruptions).

  • you know, sitting on that bench with olivia was the first time natalia laughed all day...which was a key question rafe asked which was , does he make you laugh.

  • "Oh stop it" The look on her face didn't look like she meant that.

  • no, you "stop it",lol

  • anyone notice a 0:08 jl looked like she wanted to laugh?

    olivia freakin spencer what is going in that brain? that smile was seductive and a bit devious notice at 2:11 she has to stop herself from smiling., olivia knows what she wants, who she wants and by that last look she's ploting on how to get her.

  • i totally agree. on the bench i felt like she thinks that things have turned and that hat will eventually come around and get used to a "new routine," the routine that two women making a life together would have.

  • watching this frustrates me. it doesn't look like these two will end up together. . . maybe i'm just being a pessimist this ep put me in a bad mood. Natalia irritated me with her state of denial. hope she doesn't wake up too late. well if frank's gonna be in a lot of these two's scenes i think I'll give it a miss. I'm already considering meds coz of the stress hahahaha

  • agreed. Frank scenes and any with Billy Lewis just sour the whole thing for me. Billy Lewis was eating in a scene a while back and I just couldn't take it. I DVRed the show so I could skip his face. He was snorting and smacking...ugh.

    Otalia needs their own show.

  • Yeah, I was just thinking that. He is so gross....why would they still keep an old, disgusting fart like that around?? And Olivia said it well "Billy Lewis can smell a meal a mile away" - he certainly looks it.

  • Thank you! When he Frank was "In Luuuuv" I threw up a little in my mouth. I can just see him in a recliner drinking cheap beer, belching with lunch crumbs all over his shirt. yuk! sorry to be so negative but he taints the screen when I just want to see Otalia. ok enuf of my ramblings.

  • Yeah like the conversation Frank and Natalia were having about the shrimp - oh m god, can anything be so boring! She just smiles and nods. Yeah I totally see the old, worn out beer stained recliner in Frank's future. Yeah kind of like the King of Queens guy (hate him - yuck!).

  • I rewatched that Billy Lewis clip and you're so right, Billy Lewis is so disgusting - rude, obnoxious and just yuck. Billy Lewis, Frank and the guy from Kings of Queen can have a cheap beer fest on their recliners and have crumbs stuck to their mouths while they chew with their mouths open.

  • Side note: is ANYONE ELSE having trouble logging on to AE? The prob. began for me last night; it's like I'm shut out and my browser just gets stuck.

  • I love Otalia love story, in a world that sometimes all you see is pain and suffering it's nice to see something beautiful can come out of it even it is fictional.

  • allison - I so hope you're right. Please! Please! Please! let something happen between them soon. My heart can't take much more.

    I hope that CC and JL are gettig a big kick out of torturing us like this.

  • No way .. it has to last until I die .. I'm 61 .. I've been watching this forever ~ tho' missed a few years here and there when I worked day shifts.

    Dang .. Love is Love!!

  • yep

    love is love.

  • Who knew hand holding could be so fracking sexy. Yowza.

  • they don't want to get used to a new routine

  • It seems like CC wrote down her lines on her hand and looks at it after she hands JL the cup.

    It's around the 1 minute mark.

  • LOL yeah no. There was something in her hand cause she went to wipe her hand after... something from the mug. I don't think she needs cliffnotes to remember her lines ;)

  • No joke! She's too amazing for that! :)

  • wow spacegoose thanks. i wasn't even looking at things like that. She committing like the ultimate act of love. that is very wow. im in a situation and i was thinking i couldn't wouldn't ever be in the wedding but if its what she wants you do it to make them happy. wow this pov will def help me get through the next otalia episodes. thanks!

  • Well, if this show is really over in September, 2009, I hope that the writhers pull out all the stops and give the fans what they want, Olivia and Natalia together.

    Then OTALIA can get married & live happily ever after!

  • What do you mean the show's going to be over!? Like canceled or what?

  • Yes, it was reported yesterday that the show would be over like the 18th of September!

  • OMG how sad! I mean I've known it's been the lowest rated soap for a long time now, but I never expected them to end the show! :(

  • Can I be one of the brides maid? LOL

  • For sure! I want to give the bride away...Olivia....then I would have to kiss her...yeup! ****gulp*** ****smooches***

  • Reality is dawning on Natalia...what she'll be giving up to be with Frank...definitely not an equal exchange...

  • 10 bucks says natalia makes the first move

  • I'm in.....i bet 10 too! LOL

  • LMAO!

  • I'll bet 10 washingtons on that as well

  • I'll see that bet. Olivia is totally ready and just waiting on Natalia. She would never force her into something, because that might make her unhappy, and we all know how far Olivia will go to make Natalia happy.

  • I don't think Olivia is ready any more than Natalia. If she was she would be talking to Nat instead of saying "I think you should marry Frank". That wasn't because she wants Nat to be happy it's because she's scared. She even told Doris so. When Liv is saying "I just want you to be happy" she's really saying "I HOPE you will be happy." Pushing Nat to a man she doesn't love isn't really selfless act. She did it because of her own fears and now she's regretting it, hence the drinking & the crying.

  • i dunno kinder seems like she forced Nat to marry Frank, who obviously does not make her happy,i mean did she not hear when Natalia said "you make me happy"

  • Include me in on this one. And I'll even up it another 10 by saying I think their first kiss will play out how the Awesome 3 predicted it would in BPP 7. I think Nat will walk in on Liv trying to move out and she'll be like I couldn't marry him I'm in love with you and then...POW!!!!! Team Otalia, I want it. Can Iz haz it pwease?????

  • Wow, the avoidance and tension in the room is thick enough to cut with a knife. I don't know how long the writers can keep this up before it pops.

    And ditto to what spacegoose said. Olivia is friggin' amazing.

  • before it pops...well, if it does pop I hope it pops in a good way - and if that happens, I think we're all going to pop!

  • Seriously. I imagine we're all sort of sitting here in frustration, screaming "GRAH! For the love of Pete, you two are so meant to be together, quit ignoring it!"

  • So now Olivia is helping plan the wedding? really liv? really? ugh it is hard for me to feel sorry for her when she keeps volunteering herself to a front row seat to heartbreak. why Olivia why are you doing this to yourself? no wonder nat continues to go along.

  • But that's the thing though, isn't it. This is how much Olivia has grown as a character. She's willing to do this even though it hurts herself so badly, because she thinks this is what is best of Natalia and what makes her happy. She's willing to give and give and give, no matter how much it hurts, because she thinks this will make it better for Natalia. It's not healthy, no, but it's kind of admirable that she's willing to put up with it to make Nat happy. Now that's true love.

  • That's right spacegoose, and what did Ann say? God is Love. There's something rolling around in my brain that I can't quite put my finger on about Liv deciding to shower Nat with love. Instead of being demanding and saying I love you, can you love me (as we all know Liv can be) she's going to show her that she loves her - show her that she can love. I don't know - still can't wrap my head around it.

  • Well,either that, or she's planning to spike the punch and abduct Natalia while everyone's out...

  • shame that its ending wud loved to have seen what happened between them

  • IF, and that's a big if, PGP doesn't find GL a new home...the show is still on the air until Sept 18th. There will be time for Otalia to be given a happy ending.

  • are they even close to having relationship or even having a kiss

  • Yes. I believe they are and the spoilers would indicate as much for next week.

  • Man if Emma stops this wedding I'm going to love that kid even harder!!!

  • Great couple!

  • Aww when Nat says "Wake up here.. with you" and then Liv say "yeah I guess we'll have to get used to a new routine" just have to say "that's so sad" :(

  • I hope that a story of love born before the end of GL. I'm so sad.

  • Natalia wants Olivia to tell how she feels

  • Also I think that when Natalia said "wake up here... with you"... the way she said with you, I think it just then occurred to her that it would not be Olivia she'd be waking up with in the future, but with Frank. And now that that's kind of in her mind, I think she's going to start to doubt truly if this is what she wants. She loves her routine and her life with Olivia and Emma, Frank can't give her this kind of happyness. So it's gonna start really sinking in...

  • Plus, Natalia is already trying to avoid Frank, good luck when she's married. Dude...

    That's the one thing, I keep coming back to. Nat is so clearly not in love with Frank, and cleverly never really lies to him by saying how grateful she is to be loved so well. Never, an "I love you." to Frank.

    Nat marrying Frank to me shows how strong her love for Liv is. Nat could just stay single, and turn Liv down when Otalia time came, but she knows she won't. Nat almost kissed Liv shows her love.

  • true words

  • Ok Natalia...now lift the hand you're holding, and slowly bring it to your lips...Kisses say thank you soooo much better then sweeping.

  • "Kisses say thank you soooo much better then sweeping" Lol

  • ROTFLMAO, so true! *Starts humming* "And you don't know why but you're dying to try you wanna kiss the girl!*

  • Ha! Subtext you rule!

  • was thinking the same thing!

  • Lol...great minds CF...great minds :D

  • Olivia just went to her happy place when Natalia started to talk about her daily routine with her. And Frank can't make her laugh and be relaxed like Olivia can, like this. Oh the spontaneous hand holding in the beginning just killed me. I wish they'd just kiss already!

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  • Natalia is not pregnant, the actress is.

  • p.s. how is it there are none of the usual YouTube haters & trolls on otaliafan's comments? did hermione or willow cast a spell? whatever the reason, it's a dreamy break from the usual b.s....

  • At this rate it will take 6 months before they will be together....

  • condensed version from AfterEllen, for ye who are despairing: "As CC (Olivia) told us back in March, she hopes that Natalia and Olivia will be "all the things a good soap relationship should be...I am looking forward to seeing how this relationship plays out," she said, "because it is very real, very deep, connected and even passionate."

    Jessica Lecia (Natalia) said, "I'd like for Natalia to make some firm decisions on what truly makes her happy and to go for it, whatever that may be."

  • geez. either comments w/links aren't allowed here, or my double post will show up one of these hours, so i give up. but in case links don't work, fyi, there's a new 4.2.09 afterellen article about otalia (including the fab almost-kiss in the hospital!), and a link therein to a good usatoday article (who knew?) about GL, including otalia.

  • 0:44 Olivia, you're not in the way, you ARE the way!

  • Anyone know the nae of the song at the end there?

  • OMG. Poor Otalia, both are so scare about being the first to confess their feelings for eachother. Neither of them have ever been with a woman. This is new for both..but you can see the love that they have for one onether. its so sweet how they talk about eachother and how their lifes have change, they are a family now...

  • Are those rug burns on Olivia's knee?

  • thank you! hope the romance isn't over b/f it's begun.

  • I think that Olivia and Natalia are scared to be close to each other. They are playing the timeless game of staying away so that they do not get close enough to just devour each other on the spot. I do feel really bad for Olivia because she has become such a good person because of Natalia's influence and now she has to watch as Frankenstein takes it all away.

  • HA Frankenstein! Why have we not heard that before?!

  • LOL. I thought that it had been used before!

  • Natalia is really starting to piss me off. What a coward! She obviously has feelings for Olivia, but she is also just waiting for the moment when Olivia is the one to confess to her first. Poor Olivia has tried and tried to let her feelings be known, with a bazillion interruptions. What ever happened to these two actually having real conversations? They are both just being superficial with conversation at this point--especially Natalia. Starting to think she's a bitch. (Though a sexy one..)

  • ya the fact that one has not approached the other about how they are acting weird with each other lately means that they are both aware of what is going on....mainly Natalia not saying it to Olivia because Olivia is too far gone to even notice how they are communicating with each other lately

  • Thanks for saying Natalia is waiting for Olivia to confess-you're giving me hope!

  • Weezyir, I complete see where you are coming from; but remember, this is the kind of stuff that soaps thrive on. Back when soaps actually cared, the Otalia-like story lines were running ramped. It's very normal to get pissed off at how everyone involved is acting. It's also normal to be confused half the time. It's what makes the story great. If they just threw these two together, then I'd really be worried.

  • Thanks

  • I kinda agree with you and kinda not. I really think that day that Nat went to the church and prayed and took off her ring that it wasn't for Frank. I think she was ready to see where her "friendship" with Liv was going.

    But it was Liv who had a moment of being scared and pushed Nat into saying yes.

  • If Nat didn't have "feelings" for Liv she wouldn't be marrying Frank at all.

    Interesting that by Otalia not being honest about Nank they are admitting that they are afraid what will come out.

    And in Nat's defense, Liv has been in love a lot more, so she knows the signs. I think Liv knows her heart better than Nat knows hers. I think Nat is in love with Liv, but her religion keeps her at bay. But not for long, I think Nat is strong enough to see that she can have both her religion and Liv.

  • giasony99 I totally agree w/everything you said!! Nat definitely took those rings off b/c she was ready to move forward w/Olivia and wanted God to help them to remain friends no matter what happened down the line.

  • Oh, come on, now...when two straight women fall in love, it's terrifying and uncharted terrain. If the love is deep enough, and the trust is there between them, they may find the courage to cross the boundaries that form their identities. Convention has a powerful allure--we all want "normal." If & when they do finally cross that line to be together--not as fantasy fulfillment for their hubs or boyfriends, but only for themselves--the benefits far outweight the risks...