Rogue PvP - Rogue Tutorial *In Depth* #1 ; Differents build explanation

[Brostabsgaming]

lol i feel like such a nub now >.>

nice guide tho im really going to copy some builds hahah

keep up the good work bro! :D

[Dofusaccount]

A non human pvp character in wow :o Impressed!

[jenslyn87]

He mate! Really liked this video. i want to ask you if don't feel that being NE is a compromise? I notice everyone is human now, obviously for the trinket slot

[WhatsFTW]

hey how do you keep moving while attacking your target??? can u get an addon so it keeps looking at him or do you have to manually do it with your keys or what?

[SoyZeratul]

@WhatsFTW you mean when you strike you are not moving ? if this is correct , then the answer is simple , use the the keys : A , S , D , W and not the arrows to move , you'll have your atacks very closer and will be able to move . Try it first , then practise to move with your mouse and only the Q and E and your mouse or W , to move lateraly and not backpedal .

[bfoster15no2]

0:07 "Explaination" >:D lol jk

[joemay5]

You never need more than 1 talent in honor among thieves, putting more than 1 is just a waste. If u wanna build co

No points faster you wud use initiative.

[SoyZeratul]

@joemay5 go and try to press first 1 time on honor among thives , then try to press 3 times . then if you read you'll magically discover that the CP effect occures every 2 sec insead of 4 sec , so yeah it changes things

[joemay5]

@SoyZeratul yeah it does, but you shouldnt be focusing on that, your main thing you should be thinking about is the 5% crit, the seconds in which you can get combo points isnt important enough.

[wowfreak62]

nice vid very nice i dont need tips in anyway of wow but still enjoyed this vid alot find some small staff for my rogue twink

[modestux274]

Btw is nighstalker a must talent to have?

[SoyZeratul]

@modestux274 absolutly not , the only unecessary talents ( i mean by that the interchangeable or not needed to be 3/3 talents ) : Nightstalker , waylay , Iniative , enveloping shadow ,Honor among thieve , and serrated blades .

the rest must be 3/3 talents and in any build for sub pvp

[modestux274]

Although i tweaked a little the arena backstab build it was still really helpfull...thanks for the tutorial

[MyMac2011]

make 1 for dgs

pels

[NinjaKittkatt]

Another really awesome hemmo spec (which is really great against frost mages too, i use it in bgs and even 2s) is specing into improved sprint and improved kick in the combat tree, then using the last point in Lethality. It's kind of like the hemmo-survival spec.

[Xyhop]

Really nice guide.

[kguo0427]

I am a backstab rogue. I feel that the extra combo points from Honor Among Thieves are not so necessary. I only put 1 point at HAT and 2 points on Waylay. The un-dispellable snare might be more useful than the extra cp...

Just my opinion...

[SoyZeratul]

@kguo0427 nah even if it's dispelable , healers wont take time to dispell venoms on a 3v3 arena , there is too much pressure for that and no time to waste in that . and anyway , if you are worried about snaring you can put in MH cripling poison so your target is always slowed ( because every special attack is used by MH and there is like 90% proc to apply MH venom ) and if you want to use shiv , just do a macro that switches your MH into your OH then you still can apply cripling poison =)

[xxsnipehshotxx]

Human or nelf rogue?

[EyeFreakingGotThis]

@xxsnipehshotxx human for damage. night elf for extra stealth wich would=another opener.

[Syniar]

Lmao

Gomu Gomu Nooooooooo !

why not add a JET PISTOLE! or Gatling or whatever :p

[Denosyn]

Nice guide :)

[UndeadChaos]

@Nerffattava waylay is pointless since rogues get crippling poison..

[tronic47]

music plz ?

[Nerffattava]

I like to put points in waylay and max it and put only 1 point in Honor Among Thieves. I find it more effective in backstab spec.

[Roguesaxophone57]

40% no short term or other class buffs as Sublety, wondering what full Cataclysmic will give, 46%? Kinda sad seeing 2 non crit backstabs in a row even with puncture wounds

[xPengProductionsx]

Hey Nerk, i just saw this video cause i was looking for pvp tutorials for rogues. I'm a german guy but i think i understood the most of what you said. I need the next episode cause i started to play WoW 4 weeks ago and now i need to know how to pvp with a rogue. I subscribed instantly and i hope your next rogue tutorial is comming soon! :)

[SoyZeratul]

name of the songs :

1rst : Blue Stahli : Corner

2nd : Blue Stahli : Doubt

thumbs up then people see it

[gallianKG009]

What gear have you transmoged to?? It is fcking awesome!!!

[SoyZeratul]

@gallianKG009 none, it's the cataclysmic gear .

[MrSlajden]

Dude I really wonder if you play on US or EU? and if what server?:)

[IDontPlayChess123]

I'm gonna go Emo Spec, no particular reason...

[SoyZeratul]

@IDontPlayChess123 you'll see in 2nd video if you made the right choice =)

but as rogue I recomend it for fun . you keep your energy always up , because of the low cost energy , because of HaT as CP generator , and recuperate . it's really a nice build, but nerkmind doesnt like it =P .

[IDontPlayChess123]

@SoyZeratul What I said was a joke, like an Emo kid, not the Hemo spec.... haha! Anyways, I`m all about damage, with HaT and Recup, I can get upto 4 backstabs before having to spam anything else....

[supermonkey691]

humans are so op thats what all the noobs pick LOL

[LuFFy2019]

do you like one piece ? OWO

you are luffy XD

[Merser24]

what game is this?

[insanenightmares]

@Merser24 world of rape sauce is the game

[Bluejackels]

Name of song???

[hazzaropez]

Rumor has it that the 303 rd viewer is gay........

[LegitBoarding]

Can Dara please have some good PvP Lock do some guides or something. Everyone else on youtube kinds sucks or they are pve.

[Shadowpally89]

AWESOME! Love it N3rkmind! I am really eager to see the Backstab Vs Hemmorage video. Lots of great advice on the specs. I honestly thought the Hemmorage spec was the way to go, (I took out 2 points of HaT and put them in Nightstalkers) but I seemed to have damage problems. Like I couldn't burst down people very well. I shall try that out and the backstab one as well.

[thebargmeyer]

Whats the name off the song, you are useing ? :)

[111234567qwertzyxc]

wait did he say emo when he talked about the talent tree?

[Jatischar]

thanks Nerc, good guide for n00bs, im awaiting the more advanced stuff :D

[kinjiropwn]

ROGUE IS FUCKING OP

[kcSwiz]

nice guide Nerk! keep it up :)

[NeXonN1337]

Lol, such an american specc... :P

[winkferd]

Great video bud, looking forward to more of this series :)

[ollermann64]

nice lvl 80 dummy mate

[Theliam96er]

What poisons do you use?

[SoyZeratul]

@Theliam96er you'll see in other vids coming , but he uses wound and cripling

[SoyZeratul]

je suis très content du résultat . je te remercie encore d'avoir fait en sorte que cette vidéo ait vue le jour . et je suis impatient de voire si le résultat sera aussi satisfaisant sur les 3 autres videos =)

[asgerkill]

Why did you take nightstalker when the movement speed on quickening very clearly says that the movement increase doesn't stack? And HaT is REALLY underestimated since it also takes the cooldown of the extra combopoint down as you get into the talent. HaT also picks up cp's from your own crits which means, cause rogues stack crit, that you will get another cp every 2 seconds.

Other than that it was a good guide but explain some of the abilities you don't pick

[Themadclown13]

@asgerkill nightstalker and quckening DO stack, try it first before posting

[VanixGaming]

Nerk can you tell me what would be the best to play with in 2s, blood or frost dk (im a rogue)

and also please tell me which spec it should take, Thnx!

[SoyZeratul]

@VanixGaming hi , i'm the blindsaplol and i can tell you : as he said backstab spec is for arena , and for arenas , honsetly going with dk is not the best combo right now , they are super squishy and are killed really fast if they dont have healers . so you should go with mage , or with priest if you want to get higher .

[VanixGaming]

@SoyZeratul Thnx ;)

[Reznqt]

I heard that Rezn guy is pretty cool :P

[xXCrunchmanXx]

Right on, good guide. 

[Atselmya]

Fucking say the word wounds properly you fuck face.

[Snajable]

@Atselmya "I don't know what an accent is and I hate everyone that speaks differently to me" -Atselmya

[MUHKehrin]

Amazing guide :)

[soryn305]

fantastic video 

[11magus11]

Bro are u goign to play swtor?

[YangBalanceYin]

Good rogue.

[rdskld]

Nerkmind please start making vids like this bro. Best rogue <3

[Nick6712]

Stop tipping the noob rogues! we have enough rogues in arena D: But i do enjoy watching ^.^ So .. Keep going.. even if it makes the arena full of rogues :(

[Kamia2003]

Crip can be dispelled waylay can only be dispelled by freedom that's why some rogues use it in arena. It's situational and I would rather take it in a backstabbing build and use an extra offhand with mind numbing or enrage dispell one instead of 2 extra points in HoT or nightstalker

[SoyZeratul]

@Kamia2003 actually , I think nightstalker isn't usefull . but HaT is better than waylay , because even if it's thrue that it can be only dispeled by freedom , don't worry , even if druids and pally can dispel it , they wont do waste their time on doing this , specially if yoou are doing your job and bursting your target and cc'ing the other .. in fact they'll only dispel when you are on them and youare not making any damage , so they can kite you and make you loose your time .

[Jeanosaurus]

Really great vid. helped me a lot thanks for this.

[OCDfreak333]

@MrHobys i think he either made his rogue before humans got the "pvp trinket" racial, or because shadowmeld is like an extra vanish

[gaminglikehell]

GOMU GOMU NO BUTTRAPE

[MrHobys]

I noticed that you're a Night Elf rogue. I dont expect you to do a whole video on this but maybe a short comment: can you explain why you chose night elf? i dont know much about rogues but im pretty sure that human's double dps trinket is still OP for pvp so did you pick night elf just for sexy looks or for some other reason? was just curious. thanks for the video, thinking of starting a rogue hence my question !

[N3rkmind]

@MrHobys I picked the nightelf for the cute look , but yes , humans are much strongers when it comes to rogue

[mmiddelhede]

@N3rkmind I thougth u chose em cus of shadowmeld :P

[SwiftyIsAmazing]

@N3rkmind -1 Trinket, +1 Skill.

[evolutionpvping]

@N3rkmind is it true that Undead is the best Horde rogue?

[SoyZeratul]

@N3rkmind yeah but you said in an other video , that it was because of elsiveness =)

[joker35447]

@N3rkmind I am sorry Nerk I thought you chose the night elf for the flips, unless I misheard in one of your videos.

[VarickTV]

@N3rkmind brb not abusing vanish immune racial.

[SoyZeratul]

@VarickTV hey remember me ?

[VarickTV]

@SoyZeratul Haha yeah man, what's up?

[Kaleb6k]

@N3rkmind true but night elves are still good too because shadowmeld is like an extra vanish right?

[BelievetheSt0rm]

@N3rkmind 2% misss pisses alot of people off, and shadowmeld is often useful in arena.

[BelievetheSt0rm]

@BelievetheSt0rm miss*

[EkorrApelsinen]

@N3rkmind + ur getting another free stealth :D

[bluEturtleTeve]

@N3rkmind Rogue have 2 vanish? shadowmeld+stealth?

[carliuz2]

@MrHobys the miss racial is a pain in the ass

[limpan567]

@MrHobys Yeah I think you are right about the dubble dps trinket as a human but night elfs looks better and they also have a racial which reduce nature damage taken and another racial which reduce the chance that you will be hit by melee and ranged attack, both are very useful, they also have a spelled call Shadowmeld which basically work as a less powerful vanish

[bamafb77563]

@MrHobys you have an extra vanish as a nightelf

[TweaksLV]

@MrHobys Reason why i picked N-elf rogue is because of "Shadowmeld" ... helps alot in arena or duels if your vanish and preparation is on CD...

[Igor5000]

Fairly basic stuff to be honest but good either way for those starting out.

[N3rkmind]

@Igor5000 the goal is to turn n00bs in decent players! More advanced guide to come , but gotta know the basics first

[Whybotherwithname]

@N3rkmind So, the goal is to turn n00bs in to decent players by telling them that it's actually worth it to play a "survival backstab specc" with nightstalker?? That just makes them worth, noone is gonna play with a sub rogue that has nightstalker since it's only worth playing as mutilate.

[N3rkmind]

@Whybotherwithname If you didnt noticed yet i talk about 3 diferent spec, not only the one with nigthstalker... and i actualy mention that the survival build isnt good in arena/rbg

[Whybotherwithname]

@N3rkmind It doesn't help that either, if you have 3 points in honor among thieves you can get combo points while stealthing from your dot crits or if anyone in your party crits, it's better to be able to get up recup in stealth without using premeditation then a cooldown reduction on stealth and a slight speed increase while stealthing.

[SoyZeratul]

@Whybotherwithname worth playing as mutilate ? lol ? i recomend you to look all the videos , and really learn , cose it's like since 4.0 that subs is OP . seriously ....

[Whybotherwithname]

@SoyZeratul Are you retarded? I said that it's only worth playing Nightstalker as mutilate, I did not say that it's worth playing mutilate....you should really learn to read before typing a retard comment.

[SoyZeratul]

@Whybotherwithname rofl then you are more retarded than I thought XD .

[Whybotherwithname]

@SoyZeratul And why is that...

[SoyZeratul]

@Whybotherwithname simply because what you say makes no sense : if it's not worth playing as mutilatre then why botter talking about nightstalker in mutilate ? and returning to the begining , he said that survival spec wasn't good in bg or arena , only if you want to be tanky or run faster when you vanish .

[Whybotherwithname]

@SoyZeratul If you want to be "tanky" you play the hemo specc and I talked about nightstalker in mutilate because nightstalker is only worth playing as mutilate, not in ANY OTHER ROGUE SPEC.

[Hu4z]

asome video



[MrRabRub]

Hey N3rkmind .. can u say hi to me ive never been saluted by anyone whos famous ... i will appreciate it

[Callmepure95]

;o?

[Onoroian]

pretty basic info,thanks for posting this though.

One question though Nerk is can you go into detail why Waylay is overlooked on these builds(besides the hemo build of course)

[85pvp]

@Onoroian Mostly because people use Crippling poison which puts the slow on the enemy so they don't need Waylay :)

[Onoroian]

@85pvp I understand that part,but is the 20% ranged and melee speed debuff not worth it at all >?

[TheWhatization]

Very good video!

[TheDontealee]

Awesome video man! :D

[TheRexxarz]

first!

[AlexTehBest1]

@TheRexxarz Good for you. Want a coockie?

[TheRexxarz]

@AlexTehBest1 Yes!