DEMIR DELEN ON THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE DEBATE (PART 1 OF 4)

[delenist]

I dont give a shit about armenians or turks or jews nor all other races and that genocide crab..These are crab!! Get over it. Shit happened already.Now we have to move on,sorry.Look at Iraq or Afghanistan or Africa if you really want to be only a HUMAN!!

[leafs2574]

implied in his words at 2:00 is the notion that there wasnt an armenian or slavic nation of any sort prior to the '14th century'. This leads him into his statement that the europeans were 'meddling' in the affairs of the ottoman empire. this isnt meddling, this is acknowledging the fact that armenians and slavs and greeks had there self determination taken away. the proper way to capture this european 'meddling' is to say that it was trying to restore justice to the region.

[fkxp]

Armenians are the doctors of turks and the turks of Armenians

Our true enemy is that which makes us enemies

HRANK DINK

The victim of hate on both sides claim the life of this great man

Hate is what drives this madness and don't tell me its only the turks who have a problem its Armenians who have the same disease

[Arzive]

I am assuming that you have accepted the Armenian Genocide as a fact since you still have no answer to my question (all Turks who want to try me are welcome to).

If you still don't accept it, you have two options:

1) If I am incapable of refuting an argument for the genocide, this means I do not know enough about it to take sides, and as a Jew I will not mingle in the affairs of others with bias.

2) I will do my research and then will objectively conclude if there was a genocide or not.

[fkxp]

@Arzive 

no i sent you my answer to you in a message

you know this is true

directly to you

and i did not posted it here

[Arzive]

Whatever man, if you decide to take a path beyond those two options, then you're arguing with bias. Basically, a third person view on this conversation would be:

"Arzive threw an argument on the table and fkxp could not refute it."

Arzive:1

fkxp:0

And, although the discussion was long, it never reached a point beyond that argument. There are still 1 million Armenians missing.

Either you tell me where those 1 million Armenians went, or you continue to fool yourself, but others aren't fooled.

[fkxp]

@Arzive

you make it out to be some kind of game

Arzive:1

fkxp:0

the 1.million ?

HRANK DINK him self said 450,000 came back to live in there lands and were not harassed at all this is confirmed by the international community and historians

others went to live in Arab lands and migrate to the U.S. and Canada and Europe

and some died on the way to the Syrian dessert and on the way this nobody says it did not happen

i hope this gives you what you asked of me

[YoungTurkCanada]

Arzive,

You were saying you are an ARMENIAN in part 3 of 4. Now you are saying you are a JEW.

[Arzive]

You misunderstood my statement. When I said "As a Jew I will not mingle in the affairs of others with bias." it was a suggested declaration for fkxp to make.

[Arzive]

By the way, congratulations. Turkey will be able to keep the money instead of investing on the US to deny the genocide.

[fkxp]

Turks' DNA is closest to Balkan Europeans

then why do i hear this from Armenian

turk Mongol Asian go back to Asia this is all most in every Armenians comment on you tube yet you say this you are a decent person this is a fact and i commend you for it

there has to be a fair out come for all and you are not going to get it here brother

thats all i have to say in this one sided mess of the past peoples

[Arzive]

there are idiots in all nations, this is no exception for Armenians, but Turks DID have a mongoloid culture (nomadic, khan, etc.) until they settled in Anatolia and Iran, adopting their culture in the process of becoming sedentary. From my understanding, this is why Armenians call Turks Mongols.

[fkxp]

This info i obtained from an Armenian web site run by Armenian

Türkler ile Ermeniler yeryüzünde birbirine genetik olarak en yakın etnik topluluklar, ayrıca Kürtler de aynı genetik kümede

translated it says Armenians and turks have the same DNA which is hard to separate them apart from each other

is this a lie too

[Arzive]

Armenians and Turks have similar DNA because Turks are an amalgamation of all Anatolian peoples (including Armenians). But Turks' DNA is closest to Balkan Europeans, and Armenians' closest to Caucasus (Georgians and a some northern Azerbaijanis).

[fkxp]

All Turkish children also should be killed as they form a danger to the Armenian nation

Hamparsum Boyaciyan, nicknamed "Murad," a former Ottoman parliamentarian who led Armenian guerilla forces,

ravaging Turkish villages behind the lines, 1914. Cited from Mikael Varandean, "History of the Dashnaktsutiun."

[Arzive]

You're telling me Armenians don't want people to open their mouths? What the hell are you talking about? So many Turkish Historians are incapable of speaking up from the fear for the life of their family because of the states policy of silencing people who go against it, still many Turkish historians, with access to the Ottoman Archives, have fled Turkey in order to be able to speak up.

[fkxp]

@Arzive

Thank you for your statement it just prove me right when i say there should be an international court

then all side will have no choice but to accept the truth and deal with each other

your words not mine - (You're telling me Armenians don't want people to open their mouths? What the hell are you talking about? So many Turkish Historians

[Arzive]

... you need help. I'm wasting my time.

[Arzive]

Now, this is the last time I will say it. You're incapable of answering my first question: what happened to those 1 million armenians who vanished into thin air? Who killed them?

If you're incapable of answer my FIRST question, then you're not in a situation to answer ANY of them, let alone assume the role of someone who claims to know better than Hilmar Kaiser, Taner Akcam and hundreds of other historians and scholars who deem this event a genocide.

[Arzive]

A regular unbiased discussion begins with one person throwing an argument on the table and waiting for that argument to be refuted and resolved before throwing another argument on the table. I am asking you have happened to those 1 million Armenians who vanished. If you can't answer this, forget that ridiculous Tall Armenian Tale site, open some books and have some empathy toward Armenians so you can think objectively and come to an unbiased conclusion.

[fkxp]

(Alternately known as "History of the A.R.Federation" ["H. H. Dashnaktsutyan Patmutiwn," Paris,1932 and Cairo,1950]. The author [1874-1934] has other works, including "L'Arménie et la Question Arménienne," noted in the library as "Delegation propaganda authenticated by the Armenian delegation at the Paris Peace Conference, 1919"])

Pls search ''Warangian Report'' , ''Kachaznouni's Manifesto'' , Niles - Sutherland Report

[fkxp]

@Arzive

BELOW IS MY ANSWER TO YOUR Q

NOTE Bardakçı re-edited his story in the later book this Talat Pasha's Black Book

is this your point of proof

show me genuine scholars with several diplomas and years on this subject yet i can show you some if you like brother here is one of many

Prof. Dr. Justin McCarthy

[Arzive]

Hilmar Kaiser's has dedicated his career in studying the Ottoman Archives for the Armenian Genocide, and he has concluded that there was a genocidal attempt. The International Association of Genocide Scholars have recognized it as well. I have more but I think this is enough to tell you that Armenian Genocide is well documented and recognized by world class historians and genocide scholars.

[Arzive]

Yes, 800,000 Turks were relocated as well, but they reached their goal almost in whole, whereas in the Armenians' case, 1 million Armenians vanished into thin air before reaching their goal.

Under the pretext of relocations, they secretly carried out the elimination of Armenians. These are repeated arguments that Turks cannot refute or ignore, but they choose to simply ignore them, as you have.

[fkxp]

@Arzive 

NO one is saying they did not die , turks and Armenians died yet this genocide issue can be settled in the international court you know this and every body else does too

let the truth set you free or enslave you

this whole genocide thing is one sided the Armenian people know what happened so do the Turks

half truths are not truths at all

[Arzive]

theres no need for an international court, it is already very well documented and recognized as a genocide, the problem is if "genocide" works retroactively. Well, it works for the Holocaust, so why not the Armenians? Also, there was a Turkish court martial in 1919 that condemned the authorities of the Ottoman Empire during the genocide who had already fled the empire because they probably already knew their fate.

[fkxp]

@Arzive

Hilmar Kaiser is your case

yet there are others who dispute this and have there own say but you don't want them to open the mouths as this will go against your claim

you know who they are

Only some one who is ready to hide the truth will say there is no need to have an international court

judge and executioner thats what you want

Holocaust was documented and taken to the international court and they made a ruling and every body KNOWS what the out come was

THATS JUSTICE AT WORK

[Arzive]

the amount of people who dispute the genocide are limited to historians in Turkey, often hired by the state, and few historians outside Turkey, who, again, have had close relationships with Turkey, and in most cases are hired by the state. You won't find a single historian who hasn't had any involvements with Turkish Lira, who denies the genocide, nor a single Armenian who denies the genocide, but you'll find hundreds of highly educated historians (foreign AND turkish) who recognize it.

[Arzive]

Also, how can you find it logical that 1 million Armenians (overwhelmingly civilians, not soldiers) perish in one year due to a relocation, and still believe that the ones carrying out the relocations had nothing to do with it? We're not talking about 500-600 heck even 10 000 people, we're talking 1 MILLION. And from these, women and children. Your argument is absurd, sorry.

[fkxp]

@Arzive

Murat Bardakçı is the editor of Talat Pasha's Black Book, Ottoman Minister of Interior (later grand vizier) Talat Pasha's recording of relocations of Turkish-Muslim and Armenian Christian Ottoman citizens in World War I conditions. Published by Bardakçı for the first time in 2005, they were handed over to him by Talat Pasha's widow,

Hayriye Talat Bafralı, along with a batch of other documents comprising letters he had sent her and telegrammes

[fkxp]

A typical Armenian and his lies never ending they have to lie to hide the truth that they committed in 1915 against woman and children - Kurds - turks-yes Evan Armenians that did not support there coarse

below is one who denies this ever happened

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[Arzive]

Where the hell do you come from?? "armenians killed armenians who didn't support the cause" yeah right, you remind me of other ignorant fools who say that "armenians killed hrant dink." The only reason you say this is because you're armenophobic: whatever is Armenian is bad for you, we are the reincarnation of the devil. If you want evidence for the Armenian Genocide, go to my page and find the link to an article about the numbers of Armenians from the Black Book of Talat Pasha.

[fkxp]

@Arzive

the arch patriarch of the Armenian church in Istanbul says a total of 670,000 Armenians lived in the ottoman empire back then yet the numbers fake numbers the disporia pushers is almost 3 times this sorry i don't buy in to this 1.5 million crap

let the Armenian state take turkey to the world court to prove this and open their so called archives for once and for all to end this fabrication

[Arzive]

did you even check talat pashas black book link on my page?

[fkxp]

@Arzive

Talat Pasha's Black Book

exchanged between Committee of Union and Progress members. In April 2006, Bardakçı re-edited the black book in full,

adding parts that were missing in the first publication. The 1915-1916 resettlements cited in

Talat Pasha Black Book of 702,905 Turks from regions under threat of occupation by Russian forces and

of 924,158 Armenians in accordance with 27 May 1915 Tehcir Law

[YoungTurkCanada]

I am glad a pro-Armenian accepted Turks had "overwhelming population advantage..". Did you ask yourself why Armenians were claiming a land in Eastern Anatolia, from Trabzon to Adana, although they were minority, and started turmoil and joined enemy forces while their own government in war?

[Arzive]

Compared to religion, yes Armenians were a minority. But if the population count had been divided by ETHNIC groups, Armenians were the majority. The Turkish Archives show the populations as 'Muslims' and 'Armenians' for this reason. It's telling a lie by telling the truth.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Arzive, I would like to see your reference that shows Armenians were the majority when they claimed almost half of today's Turkey. Most trusted demographic studies are clear, and they can easily falsify your numbers if you have any.

[Arzive]

First I invite you to go to justfuckinggoogleit(dot)com

The problem with Turks is, they don't try to search for the truth. Instead, they try to find what thy want to find.

Type "armenian population in ottoman empire" in google, click on the first PDF like (3rd/5th result) THE POPULATION OF THE OTTOMAN ARMENIANS. It includes both Ottoman and Armenian archives' count. In both cases, the Armenian population is the majority in the six vilayets they claimed.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Easy fella, easy. Why are you getting mad and use F words when others ask a decent question and challenge your claims? The fact is Armenians revolted for decades and claimed half of the Anatolia although the most trusted numbers show Armenian population was about 1/10 of total population (1.2/1.7 million, whereas others (overwhelmingly Turks) were 11/13 million), e.g. Sivas 939K/147K, Trabzon 921K/68K, Bitlis 309K/20K, etc. Read Stanford J. Shaw, H. Lynch, H. P. Madijian, J.McCharty, and others.

[Arzive]

Who's swearing? It's the site's name. You really understand whatever you want to. The most trusted source to who? Don't use one sided information to reinforce your unrealistic claims. The Ottoman Archives' count is misleading, since it mixes ethnicity with religion. If Turkey is a democracy, it shouldn't let religion meddle with its policies, but here they are claiming that "no the majority of the Armenian Vilayets were predominently Muslim." Are we talking about 'Islamiye' or TURKiye?

[Arzive]

The fact is that the regions were mostly inhabited alongside Armenians were Kurds to the south, and Turks to the north. Of course, the soil, buildings, culture, music, food, everything was Armenian. All of your sources claim that the Armenian Church inflated the number of the Armenian population. Who says so? What do they base that claim on? Nothing. They just say it, with NO reference whatsoever. Any intelligent historian guesses right away that these sources are unreliable as they are biased.

[Arzive]

But obviously, this works in favour of Turks. Turks who, by their fascist government, thought that Kurds were Mountain/Barbarian Turks up until modern times. They successfully assimilated the Laz when they are completely unrelated to Turks. They blindly say "I am Laz, but first, I am Turk!" Is there ANY other democratic country in the world that assimilates its minority population, created propaganda to replace everything they are by "Turk" (like they did to the Kurds)? No, only Turkey.

[Arzive]

And of course, it was the same about the genocide. While every other nation that was part of WWI knew about it, Turks in Turkey began to find out when the genocide began having international recognition in the 80s. Of course by then, it was easy to fill he brains of people who had absolutely no clue about the subject. Any sane person would take the side of their own country, obviously, and this is what Armenians refer to when they say "Turks are brainwashed."

[Arzive]

(the point was that it was heavily silenced for over 70 years, and archives were closed so over time, it got forgotten, but Kurds never forgot it, and today they talk about how their ancestors, ordered by the military, massacred Armenians. They apologize for it today.)

[YoungTurkCanada]

"Turks are brainwashed","every neighbour hates Turkey", "fascists". Arzive must be looking at the mirror, or is daydreaming and indulged to wishful thinking. The truth is, Turkey is a regional power, attracting many including thousands of Armenians who live in Turkey, mostly illegally. Armenia, a land locked country, keep losing his population (lost ¼ in last 15 yrs), begs for foreign aids, and cannot participate in any regional project to create and to share the wealth, peace and harmony.

[Arzive]

Who's dreaming? Armenia is supported by Iran, Greece, Lebanon and Russia (the closest to them). Turkey is hated by Iraq, Iran, Greece, Bulgaria, Serbia, Syria, Kurds, even muslims see Turks as Islam's shame, and the list goes on. All world superpowers that were involved in the Ottoman Empire recognize the genocide (except for United States, 42 states do, though). Sure, mainly because of the genocide and Turkish suppression, Armenia is in this situation.

[Arzive]

*cough*the sick man of Europe*cough*

[Vasilis719]

The Armenian genocide is not an isolated example of turkish barbarism, but by FAR the LARGEST example of it!!. First of all, turkish presence in Anatolia is one of occupation, taxation, child theft, forced interbreeding, and leeching off of the superior races to support the ottman "empire". Virtually no native Greeks, Armenians, Syrians(Christians in general) are left in their native land in turkey. Simple answer..ETHNIC CLEANSING. Common sense settles this argument more than anything else.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Native Greeks? I may advise read some history and get the facts. 1) Greeks colonized and then occupied Anatolian coasts, destroyed existing civilizations, burned down Troy, killed Hector, etc. Greeks also attempted to re-occupy Turkey in 1919 to accomplish their Megalo Idea, and lost in war.

2) In today's Armenia, Armenians were not majority when Republic of Armenia established in 1920s. Today, 97% of them are Armenians.

Did somebody say ethnic cleansing?

[Vasilis719]

Clearly your education has failed you..LOL. First of all, Greeks have been living in Anatolia since the times of Homer. In fact, the turks and Arabs call us "Yunan" because of the "Ionian" Greeks who are the most ancient civlization in Asia Minor. Secondly, the turks are a foreign race, who's presence in Asia Minor is that of invader and occupier. Thridly, the WHOLE point of the LACK of Armenians in their homeland is EXACTLY what the result of genocide attempted to do. .EXTERMINATE.

[Vasilis719]

Furthermore..what your suggesting is that the Armenians declared a state under ottoman occupation(which the turks violated the agreement and violently took half back) and proceded to murder the turks living there. Ask yourself, when was Armenia finally liberated, and how much power to accomplish this fantasy did the Armenians have?LOL. Also, what is more likely..a civilized, educated race was attemting masaacre against a MUCH larger army, or that the savage turk resorted to occupying tactics?!.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Speak for yourself! There were other civilizations when Greeks started invading and occupying today's Turkish coasts in 8th century BC; Frigians, Trojans, etc. Greeks destroyed them sometime with brutal war tactics as they did in Trojan war.

You were not native people of Turkey, and as I see you live in US, you are not a native people of America either. You were an invader and accupier of Turkey then, and you are an invader and occupier of America now.

[Vasilis719]

You are trully oblivious..LOL. The coast of Asia Minor is called "Ionia". What were the Ionians?..GREEKS!!. Where as the Greeks were builders of cities, schools of philosophy..the turk is a barbarian. Now, the creatotrs of western thought/civlization spread genius from Ionia to Cicily, Barcelona, Alexandria, etc. The turk has ravaged, and has not givin ONE progressive thing to the world. Where Greeks built, the world benefitted..turks leeched off of established/civilized people..PERIOD.

[Vasilis719]

Also, duting the war of 1920, turkey was under the control of several nations(France, Italy, Greece)..and the nation that got the furthest(the Greeks) were only morally supported by the British. The Greeks had everything to just outside ankara. It tooks the fears and support of the French, Italians, and Russians to GIVE you a nation. They armed and trained a backwards barbarian turkish people. WHO won over WHO?LOL.

[Arzive]

AMEN! Istanbul was under international control. They were discussing, in the sultan's char, figuratively speaking, what they would do with Turkey. Well, if they give it to whoever it belongs to, those lands will be permanently gone. But if we give those lands to so-called Turks (people who don't exist) and create heavy nationalism to 'create' Turks, those lands will be easy to take back whenever we want to. And so they put a Jew conveniently called Ataturk (father of turks) and gave him power.

[GaroArmen]

my grandmother was 16 years old with a one year old child,pregnant she had to walk 1500 miles from Sivas(middle of Turkey)to Aleppo to sevive the Genocide by the Ottamans

[YoungTurkCanada]

You can hear very same stories of Turkish victims from Balkans, Aegean Sea islands, Caucauses, etc and some of their butchers were Armenians. There are hundreds of ziyarets/sehitliks for Turkish victims in Anatolia. You may criticize relocation policy and/or wrongdoings during this war time process, but if you define it as genocide then should use same term for Turkish/Muslim victims as well. Get real and stop Armenian propaganda machinery!

[tmoda61]

The post above yours from GaroArmen states that his pregnant 16 year old grandmother escaped the wraths of the barbaric Ottomans and somehow managed to walk and escape them....with a 1 yr old! as did about 350,000 other Armenians who went to other parts of the country during the relocation. . Amazing how genocide is applied to these events when there were so many survivors and so many Turks were also murdered.

[Vasilis719]

Interesting logic..LOL. By that definition, the turks are only guilt if they kill EVERY native Armenian with no exception for survivors. I gues the other 1.5 million weren't convincing enough of turkish barbarism. Have you ever looked into the history of turkish massacres?. This was part of a series of savage brutality towards the native Christian people under ottoman occupation. The list BEFORE and AFTER is repulsive to any civilized human being. turks were an occupying barbarian race..PERIOD.

[Vasilis719]

turks have been very systematically trained to give very specific answers to sidestep reality on this issue. If you watch this interview, you will here contradictions and statements out of context with no defense for the reality of the circumstances. As was mentioned, the "minorities(natives)" were taxed for their religion, and this was specifically non-muslim discrimination with exauxting taxes for the wealthy, educated(Christians)". The 1.5 million vicitms of the genocide were civilians.

[Vasilis719]

Quite inaccurate. First of all, look at the geographics and the populations. How many Armenians are left in their ancient homeland, and how many turks populate themuch larger leftoevr land from ottoman occupation?. No comparison. Who lives in the Armenian villages of turkey?..turks!!. Furthermore, you are comparing a people under occupation , who weren't armed..or who EVER formed coilitions to attacked innocent civilian turks. Any turkish deaths were part of military operations, in this matter.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Sadly, TVO did not broadcast this interview and causes they claimed were ridicilus. Probably an example of pathologic victory of Armenian propaganda machinery derived from hate, revenge and lack of tolerance, and TVO is a victim of Arm. propaganda machinery :(

[Vasilis719]

What would Armenians gain?. They already are a much more educated and successful minority ALL OVER THE WORLD!!. The debate is whether turks systematically murdered NATIVE Armenians..and the answer is been proven LONG ago..ABSOLUTELY!!. Furthermore, did the occupied Armenian civilians systematically murder turkish civilians?..NO!!. A simple look at the history of the relationship of the occupied and occupier is clear. This man is proud that the Armenians were considered loyal "subjects"LOL!.

[atlbrvs07]

This guy is a big piece of shit, he deserves to rot in hell along with all of the Turks he supports....everything he says is bullshit, typical crap and lies!

[tellyoutrue]

Lies, like when he says Armenians give one side only, but there were at least as many Turks/Muslims who died (at the hands of Armenians)? That, as well as everything else he states is based 100% on historical accuracy. You either don't know, because you don't care for the truth and only listen to your propaganda, or you do know, and come here and just claim "LIES" in order to protect your dishonest agenda. In any event, you're not scoring any points with your hostile tone, let alone dishonesty.

[wrongmoon]

foreign minister was not an armenian. this was counted to tv viewers...

[tellyoutrue]

Wrong, Wrongmoon. The Ottoman Minister of Foreign Affairs around that time (1912-13 to be exact) was Gabriel Nouradungian, who had 25 years in government behind him. He would go on to become one of the many traitorous Armenians to betray his Ottoman homeland.

[ataturd]

the holocaust was during WW2... so i guess it was just a war...

The Armenians were not allowed to carry weapons so how can they fight for the ottomans??? They were put into labor battalions to dig their own graves.

Why were only Armenians "relocated"?

People like this should suffocate in caves with fires at the mouth of the cave, just like the TURKS did to the Armenians During the Genocide!!!

[tellyoutrue]

For the benefit of those into truth, which excludes Mr. Turd, the Holocaust was a genocide. The Armenians fought against their nation in "a war." When they took over Van to hold it for their Russian allies, the situation became serious and that is why Armenians got relocated. And despite what the propaganda says, Armenians had plenty of weapons they stockpiled, in addition to the weapons of the soldiers who deserted. The French also disarmed their Armenian Legion & put them in labor battalions.

[tmoda61]

tellyoutrue, you forgot to mention that while the Armenians captured Van, they burned it to the ground and massacred the survivors with a total of 30,000 deaths. This was the final act that prompted the Relocation measure.

[Vasilis719]

Truth?LOL. Genocide is the systematic killing of a race from it's root. The Jews are not native to Europe, and scattered amongst many places outside of Israel. Furthermore, the Armenian civlians NEVER attacked innocent turkish cilvians..nor did the Russian volunteers. The Armenians werren't allowed to be armed, or serve any real power(if any) in the turkish military..so where would they get the resources to do what you said?LOL. Armenians were occupied in "their land", not fighting it!!LOL.

[YoungTurkCanada]

"...the Armenian civlians NEVER attacked innocent turkish cilvians..nor did the Russian volunteers.". There are thousands of memoirs and war time documents states how burital was Armenian butchers. You may start to search for truth before make falsified statements. BTW, Turkish/Turks should start with capital letters. You may try to show some respect, if you have any.

[Vasilis719]

First of all, WHO occupied WHO?. The turks(intentional lower case t..their is NO respect for barbarians) occupied the Armenians. HOW would the Armenians massacre the turks, under turkish rule?LOL. Where would the arms and army come from and form?LOL. Under the eyes of the turks?!!. Lastly, show me ONE example of Armenians fighting non-resistant, unarmed civilians, under non-military operations?. You CAN'T , because it NEVER HAPPENED!!. Your own writer's have stated this!!. Rediculous.

[YoungTurkCanada]

Vasilis719, I do not see a sense of humor although you keep using LOL. All I see an arrogant and rude Greek with full of hatret who does not deserve a decent answer.

[Vasilis719]

My concern is not your hurt little feelings. My concern is that humanity recognizes civility, and honors it. The fact that your in SUCH denial, does not benefit humanity..or even the progress of your people, who have chosen denial over effort. THE END.

[Vasilis719]

Have you ever asked yourself, "where are all the native Christians in turkey?". What the turks want the world to believe is that the occupied Armenians massacred the occupying turks under their eye and overwhelming population advantage.. and debate the right term for what the systematic extermination of the Armenians should be, OTHER than genocide. How ridiculous!!. How about the other Christians?. Is it a coincidence that they are gone as well?LOL. Use some common reasoning. 400 years worth!!

[sarkishiking]

This is a perfect example of double killing the victims of the Armenian genocide.

Burn in hell Turkish deniers, burn in hell.