you will not be saying that in 20 years time when we have less space to grow more crops, will you? due to a rising population GM is the best answer for solving this crises.
@jamesdyer1997 GM crops generally require more land for refuges and buffer zones. UN reports suggest the population will begin to decrease in 2080. Is your argument because GM crops(huge majority are designed to be sprayed with herbicides that studies suggest contribute to infertility) are going to cause a population decrease, that's the best answer? Conventional breeding, organic farming, not growing corn for high fructose corn syrup, etc. is a better answer than infertlity.
1 billion people at present are in poverty and 24,000 people a day are dying from malnutrition, so how can we deny them the right to use GM seeds? In 2010 14.4 million small, low resource farmers benefited from GM seeds and saw 18 billion KG of CO2 saved from the atmosphere. Additionally through GM seeds 393 million kg of pesticides were saved from fields (10% reduction).
It is clear that there is far more science supporting the positive side of GM than against!
@Aimee01x UNEP-UNCTAD report "Organic Agriculture and Food Security in Africa ", the study demonstrates that organic agriculture can be equal or better for food security than most conventional systems and is more likely to be sustainable in the longer term, as it builds up levels of natural, human, social, financial and physical capital in farming communities. It also favours the use of low carbon footprint production methods and local resources.
well said. most of the people against GM foods are not the third world children going blind from a lack of vitamin A. golden rice has been genetically modified so it contains vitamin A which has saved millions of lives.
@jamesdyer1997 Polished rice(which is what Golden rice was made for) is linked to increases in diabetes. nih.gov/researchmatters/june2010/06282010diabetes.htm Africans may already be more prone to diabetes. diabetes.diabetesjournals. org/content/52/4/1047.short Unpolished rice and other crops have beta carotene and other nutrients and may decrease risk of diabetes. Why give Africans $100,000,000 polished GM rice and increase diabetes, instead of crops they already have for Vit A?
the fact still remains that organic crops just will not produce enough. there are predictions that the population will decrease by around 2080, but wouldn't that be because of mass starvation? By 2030 we will run out of space... it's time to let science do the talking, not nature.
@jamesdyer1997 The 2080 reduction has nothing to do with starvation. They believe that the population will eventually be reduced to a little over 3 billion in the future and clearly we can support more than 3 billion people now. "Fields treated with compost gave higher yields of both grain and straw than those treated with chemical fertilizer". ftp://ftp.fao.org/paia/organicag/ofs/02-Edwards.pdf
@jamesdyer1997 "Organic farming can lead to increased food production – in many cases a doubling of yields has been seen""the average crop yield increase was even higher for these projects: 116 per cent increase for all African projects and 128 per cent increase for the projects in East Africa""backed up by studies from Asia and Latin America that concluded that organic farming can reduce poverty in an environmentally friendly way." unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf
@jamesdyer1997 "Today's scientific evidence demonstrates that agroecological methods outperform the use of chemical fertilizers in boosting food production where the hungry live- especially in unfavorable environments.""To date agroecological projects have shown an average crop yield increase of 80% in 57 developing countries, with an average increase of 116% for all African projects." srfood.org/index.php/en/component/content/article/1174-report-agroecology-and-the-right-to-food
@jamesdyer1997 "Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/2007/07/070711134523.htm
that is stupid! You are just making up rubbish now you have ran out of slightly less stupid things to say... how on earth can organic food produce triple the amount then GM food? the fact still stands that we need pest resistant crops which do not take years of concentrated breeding. you say you do not like GM. but we have been changing crops for our benefit for thousands of years. why complain when we just speed it up?
@jamesdyer1997 You can read the studies yourself, I posted the links(you have to add h t t p : / / w w w . without the spaces to the front and you may have to change the "dot" to a .), one of the ways organic can increase yields is because numerous studies suggest organic has higher yields during times of drought or in areas with poor access to water, but there are many other reasons as well.
@jamesdyer1997 GMO hasn't been done for thousands of years. "definitions are used by agencies that regulate genetically modified organisms (GMO's).""guidelines issued by USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, genetic engineering is defined as the genetic modification of organisms by recombinant DNA techniques (7CFR340: 340.1).""Recombinant DNA techniques (DNA formed by combining segments of DNA from different organisms)" ers.usda.gov/briefing/biotechnology/glossary.htm
@jamesdyer1997 Time frame for GM is not that much different than conventional breeding, and conventional breeding(used in organic) has already created herbicide tolerant, pest/disease resistant, drought tolerant, salt tolerant, flood tolerant, nutrient enhanced, high yielding, etc. crops. GM generally poses additional risks than conventional breeding, such as antibiotic resistant markers, use of virus promoters, use of agrobacterium, etc. I quoted studies, I didn't make it up.
concentrated breeding can take years compared to GM which can take months, maybe even weeks to do... and yes you quoted studies, but I bet they were from a website. If so, I rest my case...
@jamesdyer1997 Weeks? It takes longer than weeks just for some seeds to germinate. The entire life cycle of the plant would have to occur just to check if the desired trait works, etc. Even if it did work it is usually then conventionally bred to produce seed for sale, if it is a food crop it would have a 28-90 day health study, after it produced food, etc. GM crops take years, not months or weeks, the same goes for conventional breeding.
@jamesdyer1997 3 of the studies were done by the UN with UN website liks. The other link is to sciencedaily which is a reputable source, but here is a link to the original journal it was published in. "organic methods could produce enough food on a global per capita basis to sustain the current human population, and potentially an even larger population, without increasing the agricultural land base." journals.cambridge"dot"org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1091304
@jamesdyer1997 Golden Rice cost over $100,000,000 to produce. Millions of lives could have been saved using $100 million for supplements or to grow foods rich in beta carotene? Conventional breeding has already created beta carote enhanced crops(Orange Maize, Orange Sweet Potato, High Beta carotene Tomato, etc.)and many other nutrient enhanced crops and most studies suggest organic farming increases nutrient content in food. Why use GM when cheaper, less risk alternatives exist?
look organic food produces far less because pest ruin the crop. And how on earth did you come up with the cost of 100 million?! even so it is cheaper in the long run because more is produced and no pesticides is needed. the only reason why this rice is linked to diabetes is because the blindness from ordinary rice as it contains no vitamin a. did not kill them first...
@jamesdyer1997 There are numerous conventionally bred crops(used in organic) that are pest resistant and studies suggest organic is generally more resistant to several pests. "abundance of cereal aphids was five times lower in organic fields, while predator abundances were three times higher"
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3097189/
The huge majority of GM crops DO USE PESTICIDES! In fact most GM crops were specifically designed to be sprayed with herbicides.
@jamesdyer1997 Non-GM varieties of unpolished rice DO have beta carotene, and many beta carotene enriched convetionally bred crops(used in organic) like Orange Maize, Orange Sweet Potato, High Beta carotene Tomato, etc. are used, but you never hear of them, because millions of dollars wasn't spent advertising them, the way millions of dollars was spent by Council for Biotechnology Information advertising Golden Rice(that could have been spent helping vitamin A deficient children).
@jamesdyer1997 The $100 million stat is based on about $96 million spent by the Rockerfeller Foundation for the research leading up to Golden Rice and another $10 million from the Gates Foundation for testing. This does not include the millions more spent as well for field trials, advertising, etc.
This is a load of rubbish! No science to back up the claims against GM! In the developed world we are afforded the luxury to choose the food we eat i.e. whether its organic or processed but with the developing world they have little choice where their food comes from as they are starving!
@zMalachi
you will not be saying that in 20 years time when we have less space to grow more crops, will you? due to a rising population GM is the best answer for solving this crises.
jamesdyer1997 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 GM crops generally require more land for refuges and buffer zones. UN reports suggest the population will begin to decrease in 2080. Is your argument because GM crops(huge majority are designed to be sprayed with herbicides that studies suggest contribute to infertility) are going to cause a population decrease, that's the best answer? Conventional breeding, organic farming, not growing corn for high fructose corn syrup, etc. is a better answer than infertlity.
myndy86 2 months ago
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Go to "Rally for the Right to Know" on facebook, for more information.
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myndy86 11 months ago
1 billion people at present are in poverty and 24,000 people a day are dying from malnutrition, so how can we deny them the right to use GM seeds? In 2010 14.4 million small, low resource farmers benefited from GM seeds and saw 18 billion KG of CO2 saved from the atmosphere. Additionally through GM seeds 393 million kg of pesticides were saved from fields (10% reduction).
It is clear that there is far more science supporting the positive side of GM than against!
Aimee01x 1 year ago
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@Aimee01x UNEP-UNCTAD report "Organic Agriculture and Food Security in Africa ", the study demonstrates that organic agriculture can be equal or better for food security than most conventional systems and is more likely to be sustainable in the longer term, as it builds up levels of natural, human, social, financial and physical capital in farming communities. It also favours the use of low carbon footprint production methods and local resources.
myndy86 10 months ago
@Aimee01x
well said. most of the people against GM foods are not the third world children going blind from a lack of vitamin A. golden rice has been genetically modified so it contains vitamin A which has saved millions of lives.
jamesdyer1997 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 Polished rice(which is what Golden rice was made for) is linked to increases in diabetes. nih.gov/researchmatters/june2010/06282010diabetes.htm Africans may already be more prone to diabetes. diabetes.diabetesjournals. org/content/52/4/1047.short Unpolished rice and other crops have beta carotene and other nutrients and may decrease risk of diabetes. Why give Africans $100,000,000 polished GM rice and increase diabetes, instead of crops they already have for Vit A?
myndy86 2 months ago
@myndy86
the fact still remains that organic crops just will not produce enough. there are predictions that the population will decrease by around 2080, but wouldn't that be because of mass starvation? By 2030 we will run out of space... it's time to let science do the talking, not nature.
jamesdyer1997 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 The 2080 reduction has nothing to do with starvation. They believe that the population will eventually be reduced to a little over 3 billion in the future and clearly we can support more than 3 billion people now. "Fields treated with compost gave higher yields of both grain and straw than those treated with chemical fertilizer". ftp://ftp.fao.org/paia/organicag/ofs/02-Edwards.pdf
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 "Organic farming can lead to increased food production – in many cases a doubling of yields has been seen""the average crop yield increase was even higher for these projects: 116 per cent increase for all African projects and 128 per cent increase for the projects in East Africa""backed up by studies from Asia and Latin America that concluded that organic farming can reduce poverty in an environmentally friendly way." unctad.org/en/docs/ditcted200715_en.pdf
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 "Today's scientific evidence demonstrates that agroecological methods outperform the use of chemical fertilizers in boosting food production where the hungry live- especially in unfavorable environments.""To date agroecological projects have shown an average crop yield increase of 80% in 57 developing countries, with an average increase of 116% for all African projects." srfood.org/index.php/en/component/content/article/1174-report-agroecology-and-the-right-to-food
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 "Organic farming can yield up to three times as much food as conventional farming on the same amount of land.""in developed countries, yields were almost equal on organic and conventional farms. In developing countries, food production could double or triple using organic methods" sciencedaily"dot"com/releases/2007/07/070711134523.htm
myndy86 2 months ago
@myndy86
that is stupid! You are just making up rubbish now you have ran out of slightly less stupid things to say... how on earth can organic food produce triple the amount then GM food? the fact still stands that we need pest resistant crops which do not take years of concentrated breeding. you say you do not like GM. but we have been changing crops for our benefit for thousands of years. why complain when we just speed it up?
jamesdyer1997 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 You can read the studies yourself, I posted the links(you have to add h t t p : / / w w w . without the spaces to the front and you may have to change the "dot" to a .), one of the ways organic can increase yields is because numerous studies suggest organic has higher yields during times of drought or in areas with poor access to water, but there are many other reasons as well.
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 GMO hasn't been done for thousands of years. "definitions are used by agencies that regulate genetically modified organisms (GMO's).""guidelines issued by USDA's Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service, genetic engineering is defined as the genetic modification of organisms by recombinant DNA techniques (7CFR340: 340.1).""Recombinant DNA techniques (DNA formed by combining segments of DNA from different organisms)" ers.usda.gov/briefing/biotechnology/glossary.htm
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 Time frame for GM is not that much different than conventional breeding, and conventional breeding(used in organic) has already created herbicide tolerant, pest/disease resistant, drought tolerant, salt tolerant, flood tolerant, nutrient enhanced, high yielding, etc. crops. GM generally poses additional risks than conventional breeding, such as antibiotic resistant markers, use of virus promoters, use of agrobacterium, etc. I quoted studies, I didn't make it up.
myndy86 2 months ago
@myndy86
concentrated breeding can take years compared to GM which can take months, maybe even weeks to do... and yes you quoted studies, but I bet they were from a website. If so, I rest my case...
jamesdyer1997 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 Weeks? It takes longer than weeks just for some seeds to germinate. The entire life cycle of the plant would have to occur just to check if the desired trait works, etc. Even if it did work it is usually then conventionally bred to produce seed for sale, if it is a food crop it would have a 28-90 day health study, after it produced food, etc. GM crops take years, not months or weeks, the same goes for conventional breeding.
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 3 of the studies were done by the UN with UN website liks. The other link is to sciencedaily which is a reputable source, but here is a link to the original journal it was published in. "organic methods could produce enough food on a global per capita basis to sustain the current human population, and potentially an even larger population, without increasing the agricultural land base." journals.cambridge"dot"org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=1091304
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 Golden Rice cost over $100,000,000 to produce. Millions of lives could have been saved using $100 million for supplements or to grow foods rich in beta carotene? Conventional breeding has already created beta carote enhanced crops(Orange Maize, Orange Sweet Potato, High Beta carotene Tomato, etc.)and many other nutrient enhanced crops and most studies suggest organic farming increases nutrient content in food. Why use GM when cheaper, less risk alternatives exist?
myndy86 2 months ago
@myndy86
look organic food produces far less because pest ruin the crop. And how on earth did you come up with the cost of 100 million?! even so it is cheaper in the long run because more is produced and no pesticides is needed. the only reason why this rice is linked to diabetes is because the blindness from ordinary rice as it contains no vitamin a. did not kill them first...
jamesdyer1997 2 months ago
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@jamesdyer1997 There are numerous conventionally bred crops(used in organic) that are pest resistant and studies suggest organic is generally more resistant to several pests. "abundance of cereal aphids was five times lower in organic fields, while predator abundances were three times higher"
ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3097189/
The huge majority of GM crops DO USE PESTICIDES! In fact most GM crops were specifically designed to be sprayed with herbicides.
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 Non-GM varieties of unpolished rice DO have beta carotene, and many beta carotene enriched convetionally bred crops(used in organic) like Orange Maize, Orange Sweet Potato, High Beta carotene Tomato, etc. are used, but you never hear of them, because millions of dollars wasn't spent advertising them, the way millions of dollars was spent by Council for Biotechnology Information advertising Golden Rice(that could have been spent helping vitamin A deficient children).
myndy86 2 months ago
@jamesdyer1997 The $100 million stat is based on about $96 million spent by the Rockerfeller Foundation for the research leading up to Golden Rice and another $10 million from the Gates Foundation for testing. This does not include the millions more spent as well for field trials, advertising, etc.
myndy86 2 months ago
This is a load of rubbish! No science to back up the claims against GM! In the developed world we are afforded the luxury to choose the food we eat i.e. whether its organic or processed but with the developing world they have little choice where their food comes from as they are starving!
Aimee01x 1 year ago