Liz Cheney of Keep America Safe on 'Hannity' 11-16-09

[ghazalhora]

im sorry but i dont get it...how will trying the guy in manhattan increase the likley hood of terrorism....can some one explain.....the U S goverment needs to go on trial anyway and i think we all no y...

[lizardfirefighter110]

Our government lies big time to us. They are doing everything they can to convince us that we need to give up our freedoms for security. This is not new in the history of governments. That is why Benjamin Franklin said, "Those that give up their liberties for security will end up with neither." The Patriot Act allows the government to spy on anyone they say is, or think is a terrorist. They have convinced many Americans, including you, that it is absolutely necessary.

[BoomerNavy70]

I am sure the Republicans with their "Drill Baby, Drill" attitude will figure out a way to blame the oil rig disaster in the Gulf of Mexico on the liberals. If I were the spawn of Dick Cheney I wouldn't be announcing it to the world. This woman has a snowballs chance in hell of gaining any credibility with anyone with any degree of intelligence. The only way she had ever had a job was because of her lunatic old man.

[BoomerNavy70]

It is almost like the Republicans are wishing for something to happen just so they are proven right. It is the most disgusting form of patronizing of the American people I have ever witnessed. Instead of coming up with solutions and working with the Administration they are demonizing everyone for their benefit.

[BoomerNavy70]

I don't give a damn what you say; 9/11 happened on the watch of the Republicans. They were on deck, why had the helm, they were on watch, they were on the bridge, they were the Officer's of the day and the Captain is ultimately responsible for the safety, concerns and the welfare of their crew and keeping people out of harms way.

[ADEAL416]

@BoomerNavy70 Yes, he is. And Bush deserves significant blame for this/ But please tell me on whose watch 9/11 was mostly PLANNED under? That would be Clinton. There is blame all around, and both sides were asleep at the switch before this happened, and it's just a matter of who woke up more after the fact, and that would be the Republicans. If Dems EVER expect to maintain control, they need to go over to the Republican side on matters national security. Both sides were equally bad pre-9/11

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 3.5 floors are completely destroyed by the jet impact. What is the percentage of total destruction? 3.5 / 110 floors, = .0318, or 3.2%. Maximum destruction of the South Tower by jet impact was a mere 3.2%. With the South Tower most of the fuel burned up outside along the East Wall. See Videos. So, now we are left with a contents fire to bring down a high-rise structure. Never in the history of man has fire been able to do this. See Fire in Madrid Spain. See First Interstate Fire.

[mopmop1970]

You know what is indefensible ms cheeny and mr peanut head hannity. Squashing free speech,and stating against our constitution there is a war when congress has not even declared one. Among many other things these idiots like you believe. 9/11 was a crime. I don't buy your fake war one bit, neither should american citizens.

[lizardfirefighter110]

Sean and Liz are complete idiots, or are lying, They keep talking as if those responsible for the murders on 9/11 are foreign terrorists. I find it ironic that Liz's father is a primary domestic terrorist suspect. Both Sean and Liz are in their own fantasy world were random fires burning at random intensities for less than an hour can cause a building with only 3.5% damage to fall symmetrically at 80 mph.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 That would be because they ARE FOREIGN TERRORISTS!!!! Are you a structural engineer?? Didn't think so. I have spoken with several, and what happened makes PERFECT SENSE!!! The fires slowly weakened the steel (they did NOT "melt" the steel, nor would they have to have melted it to collapse the buildings) they wore down the steel's resistance to loads until the supports could no longer bear the weight above them. Simple science, and if that's inconvenient for you, too bad

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude, you don't have to be an Engineer, Firefighter, or Pilot, or even a Rocket Scientist to understand that fire and less that three percent damage from an air plane is capable of bringing down a high-rise structure. It is ironic that we are lead to believe that random fires cause a symmetrical collapse. Wake the fuck up!

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Because it was not the fires themselves that caused the collapse, it was the subsequent weakening of the steel columns that supported the structures, and when those columns failed, yes that causes symmetrical collapse. You DO need to be a structural engineer to understand the exact mechanics of how this happened, and how the scientific explanation demonstrates IRREFUTABLY what happened that day. I have discussed this with engineers, and I tend to take the word of experts

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Some might consider me an expert with 30 years experience as a firefighter, but I do not. I do know that the South Tower burned for 56 minutes and that this would not be enough time to heat massive interconnecting steel columns, girders and beams to their failure temperature.  In their final report NIST stated that the jet fuel burned off in 10 minutes and that the remaining contents fires reached 1,800 degrees F. Steel is a good conductor of heat.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 You are not an expert in the actual science of what happens to every element of a structure when it collapses. That is left to the structural engineers to understand, and I have had what happened on 9/11 explained to me by several. It depends what you mean by "failure" temperature. No, it wouldn't have been hot enough to MELT the steel, but once again, this is not necessary to collapse a building. It only has to weaken it until it can no longer support what's above it

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 By the way, your numbers are wrong too. The south tower burned for more than two hours. It was the NORTH tower that collapsed that quickly, and this was the one that was hit much lower down than the south was.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Nope, I am not wrong. The South Tower was struck by United Flight 175 at the Southeast corner and impacted floors 78 through 84. The huge fire ball that blew out of the East side was much of the jet fuel burning up. The South Tower then burned for a mere 56 minutes before it collapsed at 10 floors/ sec. SYMMETRICALLY, all the way down.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I did get the north vs. south part wrong, but the point is that the one that collapsed faster was the one that was struck much lower, and the way it collapsed makes complete engineering sense for exactly what happened, in the expert analysis of the structural engineers I have talked about it with

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 If you look closely at videos of the South Tower collapsing you will see that the top 25 floors twist and fall as a unit to one side. Considering further that most of the jet fuel burned up in the fire ball that was nearly 400 feet in diameter (measured against the known dimension of the East wall) and that the corner impact destroyed less of the Center Core as compared to the straight on impact of the North Tower, it is odd that the S.T. then collapses just like the N.T.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Nope, sorry buddy, not odd at all. Despite the slightly different area of damage inflicted, the two towers sustained very similar types of damage--head on collisions by 767's with full fuel tanks and traveling at very nearly full speed. It is not merely the fires either--it is the structural damage done simply by the impacts PLUS the heat of the fires. This is an unprecedented situation, so nothing is "odd" compared to what anyone would have "expected" to happen

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 The jet impact of the South Tower, from wing tip to wing tip, effected the 78th floor to the 84 floor. This is 7 floors effected. Think about it the last ten feet of wing tip is not going to do much damage, but for argument sake lets say each wing tip destroys 1/2 floor completely. Now let us assume that the rest of the jet destroys half of each of the 5 remaining floors. Remember each floor is about an acre in area minus the Center Core. So, 7 1/2s is equal to 3.5 floors.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 THE WING TIP??????? WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING????? It was the ENTIRE FUSELAGE impacting the building. No sir, we are not left with a "contents fire" ALONE to bring down the structure. We are left with an UNPRECEDENTED COMBINATION of those fires PLUS the damage done to the structure itself. Sane thing with Building 7, so no, it's not "suspicious" that it wasn't in the 9/11 Commission report. Those scientific investigations were not completed yet at the time. Now they are.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I can't respond to all of your technical statements, because I am not an expert. However, I HAVE spoken to people who are much more of an expert on this matter than you are, and they are well aware of every supposed "suspicious" aspect or "inconsistency" that's been raised, and they all acknowledge that none of it changes the fact that what happened makes absolutely perfect sense.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Google Niels Harrit's report on Nano-thermite found in 9/11 dust. The National Institute of Standards and Technology reported that Red Chips found in dust from 9/11 are paint chips from the primer coating on the steel building components. For me the red color is strikingly different between the color of the steel components during construction and the red chips in question. I have not seen any scientific analysis confirming that indeed the chips are paint.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 How is it possible for April Gallup, working at the Pentagon on 9/11 to be covered by debris, but not even smell jet fuel or get burned? Is William Rodreguze on glue when he says that an explosion from below the first floor of the North Tower lifts him off his feet? What happened to Barry Jennings and what did he have to say about WTC building #7? Do you think it is odd that The 9/11 Commission Report does not even mention WTC Building #7

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 1. Because there wasn't nearly as much fuel in this case and the fires spread differently in that kind of wreckage with much more reinforcement than the twin towers had. That plane was a 757--far less fuel than do 767's which hit the WTC's. He may not be on "glue" but it's very hard to tell where "explosions" come from, and many things that aren't "explosions" in the truest sense of the word feel and sound like them. "Like an explosion" does not mean ACTUAL explosions

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Have you ever wondered how there could be several hijacked planes in the air after the North Tower was struck, but on 9/11 and 9/11 only our military, was unable to intercept one? It just so happens that on this particular day the military was conducting several war games that included the very fighter jet intercepts that are assigned to defend our air space and to check out any jet liner off course and presumed hijacked.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 It is by no means "only" on 9/11 buddy. Our military conducts war games routinely, and they did not shoot those planes down because they were hoping to give the pilots (whom they had no way of knowing were already dead) the chance to save their planes and the lives of all on board. I'f be hesitant too.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Nice story about the jet fighter pilots giving the hijacked plane's pilots a chance, even after the first one struck the North Tower. You are grabbing at straws. There were five war games going on all on the same day. The planners were right in their assessment that this would provide the needed excuse for having fighters out of position.

[ADEAL416]

Nope, not a story--the FACTS!!! In peacetime, just about all the military has to do while stationed stateside is practice and simulate--i.e. "war games." I know enough people in the military to know how it goes, and it was a complete matter of course that these kinds of simulations were going on. Five is actually not very many considering the size of our military. Again, it wasn't that they "couldn't" intercept, it was that they wanted to give those on the planes a chance to save themselves

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude, I would bet my life that 9/11 was an inside job. I would not hesitate for one second with my answer. If I am right I am payed a billion dollars, if I am wrong, I am taken out back and shot. The next day I would be a billionaire. You really need to read more about this event. Look up the PNAC document that was published a year before 9/11.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Then I suggest you prepare for death. I've read PLENTY about it buster--thing is I've relied to EXPERTS for my information, not paranoid nutjobs. And their conclusions are the ones to be believed, and if you actually listened to people who know what they're talking about, it would expel all doubt in your mind. But if you enjoy peddling debunked bullshit don't let me stop you. But just know that you lose ANY credibility about ANYTHING else when you do so

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Additionally there are quite a few videos of the South Tower that show a stream of some yellow liquid coming from the 82 floor. Many argue that it is molten Aluminum from the jet.  This is not likely given that Aluminum only begins to change to yellow at nearly 1,800 degrees. As it falls through the air the droplets would cool back to silver in color. However, as the liquid falls through the air it remains yellow in color, even after falling 20 stories. I believe it is molten Iron.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Are you picking up what I am laying down? Did you know that molten steel was found in only the basements of WTC buildings 1,2 and 7. Did you know that 118 firefighters described what they experienced as an explosion. How could this be? How could there be secondary explosions if 9/11 went down like we were told by our media? "The individual is handicapped by coming faced to face with a conspiracy; so monstrous he cannot believe it exists.---- J. Edgar Hoover

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I'll tell you EXACTLY how that could be. Multiple floors collapsing on top of each other one after the other tends to sound like, oh gee, I don't know, an EXPLOSION, perhaps?????!!!!!! Not only our "media"--(a media that, in case you were asleep from 2001-2009 DESPISED George W. Bush with a passion hardly anyone in American has ever been despised with, and if there was ONE SHRED of credible evidence to conspiracy, they would have FALLEN OVER THEMSELVES to expose it)

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Face the facts our government has been hijacked by corrupt, bankers, politicians, and corporate leaders. We have been left an empty shell of what use to be a great Republic.Thus, as a nation we are adrift towards an abyss. You can see the effects today as our prosperity slips away, and we are saddled with a 28 billion dollar per month bill for the Iraq War. A war that does not make us safer."A nation is unable to preserve its freedoms in the midst of continual war" --James Madison.

[ADEAL416]

James Madison could NEVER have forseen such circumstances, so don't cite things that have nothing to do with the current situation we face. Yes, we spent too much on Iraq. FIne. In retrospect it was the wrong thing to do. I agree in many ways corruption runs ramapant in government. But corruption is not conspiracy. And it doesn't change the fact that our media DESPISED the last administration and would have JUMPED at the chance to expose a conspiracy if one existed. Face it. IT DOESN'T!!!!

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude, Madison was always looking for the truth, and believed that his statement would pass the test of time because it was formulated with the understanding that humans behave in predictable ways. For example, Absolute power corrupts absolutely, absolutely. The mainstream media are owned by corporations that stand to make money with war. 9/11 was a convenient excuse to start a war and make money. That is why so much of the war has been privatized.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Well it didn't stand the test of time-Madison assumed that the nation would not be threatened the way we are being now. Whoever owns the mainstream media, it obviously doesn't change the hatred they had for George W. Bush. Whether 9/11 allowed for a war to start or not, that doesn't make it orchestrated by people who stood to gain. That's like saying that because the drug companies can benefit from treating diseases, they must be creating the diseases. Doesn't work buddy

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Initially the Media and NIST told America that the Towers suffered a Pancake Collapse. The only problem with this story is that at the end of the day there were no floors stacked up like a "stack of pancakes" the hallmark of a Pancake Collapse. Americans soon had to come to grips with the reality that there was only steel and dust left, the hallmarks of Controlled Demolition.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Nope, not just the media on NIST--numerous other expert structural engineers who examined it and came to the EXACT SAME CONCLUSION!!!!! They wouldn't be stacked up when each floor completely crushed everything under it. For expert structural engineers, this is pretty much common sense, so once again, pardon me for taking experts' words over paranoid nutjobs

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 You are hoping that the media acts like a watch dog. Keeping the three branches of government honest. Now who is on glue? The media likes you to believe this is what they do and they do do this to some extent. However, on maters of war, peace, and your liberties they are in bed with the corruption at the highest level. Like many of our representatives, they have sold their soul for a piece of Americas viscera.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I'm not "hoping" anything buster--I SAW the media's coverage of George W. Bush for eight years--they couldn't attack him enough and they went after him with PLENTY of things that later turned out to be false. Remember the forged military records? If you didn't see the media's attacks on Bush, the Iraq War, and things like the Patriot Act, you either weren't paying attention, were asleep for 8 years, or YOU'RE the one on glue

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Point being, they attacked him even when they had flimsy evidence. If they even had that much to some massive conspiracy of 9/11, it would have been exposed in oh, about three milliseconds. But they don't even have that and they knew it. They had to keep SOME level of credibility, no matter how unfair they were to him about many things. And that means recognizing that there was ZERO credible evidence to some bullshit "inside job." Get over that fact and move the fuck on

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude, for some reason your not getting it. Those that planed 9/11 own the President and they own the Media. Clinton, Bush, and Obama are nothing more than puppets to them. Furthermore, they own the Democrats and the Republicans. When it comes to matters of war, peace and The Constitution there is no difference between the Republicans and the Democrats. They are wings of the same bird. We are the bird food!

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Never mind that the two parties' POLICIES are 180 DEGREES REMOVED FROM EACH OTHER!! And the media sure as shit doesn't see it that way that there is "no difference"--they wanted DEMOCRATS in power, and you want to know the best way to make that happen??? EXPOSE THE BUSH ADMINISTRATION BEING INVOLVED IN A COVER-UP OF 9/11!!! But guess what?? THERE'S NOTHING THERE!!!! So they couldn't do that. If there had been, they would have done this. DID YOU SEE THEIR COVERAGE OF BUSH???

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 I am telling you the truth. Why do you think Kucinich and Paul were excommunicated by the media in the last Presidential debates? Why do you think that most people do not know about WTC building 7, REX84, Presidential Directive 51, and Army Regulation 210-35. Pssst, you should check out any of these that you do not know about.  Here is another one to demonstrate the behind the scenes corruption. Project Ajax for Iran. Why do you think Iran is a problem today?

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Uh, they were excommunicated because they never had a credible chance to become president because the public understands how dangerously prone they would both leave this nation to further 9/11's and FAR worse. THAT'S WHY, BUSTER!!!!!!! Most people DO know about WTC 7, not the least of which being THE STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS WHO HAVE INVESTIGATED IT AND FOUND THAT WHAT HAPPENED MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!!!!!

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Although, I have given you several pieces of credible evidence that highly suggests and inside job, you are still unable to rap your mind around the depth of corruption that must be present for this to happen. Furthermore, it does not help when you are reluctant to investigate this matter beyond a superficial effort. You seem ,rather, to blindly accept what ever fairy-tail the government tells you, because without it you are totally out of your comfort zone.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 NONE of the so-called "evidence" you have cited stands up to even the most cursory of scrutiny. Yes indeed, a huge level of corruption must be present for something like this to happen, and if such a level of corruption were present, in a world with a Bush-despising media such as we've had for the past 8 years, such a level of corruption would be concealable for, oh, I dunno, THREE DAYS!!!!! I'm not accepting the word of the government, I'm accepting the word of EXPERTS!!!

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Just how much corruption am I talking about. More than there was during WWII, more than the overthrow of the Iranian government in 1958, more than when JFK, MLK, and RFK were assassinated, more than the overthrow of Chile in 73, more than the Iran-Contra Affair of the 80s. I highly recommend "The Day of Deceit " by Richard Stinere. (sp?) Your government cares about you as much as any corporation cares about you. Just about zero, like the corporations that have hijacked it.

[ADEAL416]

I'm well aware that there's plenty of corruption. BUt YET AGAIN, corruption does NOT equate to conspiracy. And as to the government's level of "caring" well it may be somewhat low, but below a certain point it cannot go because the government still needs to stay in power, and in order to do so they MUST keep us safe. So they do still care about this, whatever else they may not care about in terms of our well-being, they know that if we aren't kept safe, they're out on their ass

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Which brings me back to the fact that, incidentally, this is the reason Kucinich and Paul don't have a chance in HELL of ever contending for the presidency--because the public knows that their policies will NOT keep us safe, and that is the one job a government CANNOT get away with not doing and still manage to keep power. And in order for governments to do whatever else they may want to do, corrupt and all, they still must stay in power.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Government has two functions per The Constitution. Protect our boarders and our trading routs. The second, protect our liberties. 9/11 was fabricated to look like we were under attack so there would be an excuse to invade and occupy any other nation. Here is another clue, there were no weapons of mass destruction, and the Bush Administration new Hussein had nothing to do with 9/11.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 No sir it was not. There is precisely ZERO credible evidence for this, and OVERWHELMING evidence what happened was EXACTLY what 99% of us out in the real world knows happened. Bush never said Hussein had anything to do with 9/11--he said the intelligence they had at the time indicated he had WMD's, which it did. Even Hussein's OWN HENCHMEN were fooled on this one. "Occupations" don't involve plans to withdraw as soon as a non-terror supporting government is in place

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 There's another function too--to protect our LIVES!!!! And no, who headed the security company for the WTC proves NOTHING!!! And considering that no provision in the Patriot Act has EVER been shown to have been used for ANYTHING other than stopping further 9/11's, you've got ZERO ground to stand on for the "taking our liberties away" either. It's not a "liberty" to be able to secretly plot terrorism against our citizens without the government being able to find out about it

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Here are two more clues, The head of the security company for the World Trade Center was the President's brother. "Truth is stranger than fiction" Also, it is rather strange that so much of the military logistics and security operations in Iraq have been farmed out to private companies. Trust me the whole scam is for making money and taking control, while at the same time use The Patriot Act and the Military Commissions Act to take our liberties away.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 The farming out to private companies does show corruption, but it no more proves that the threats the wars are fighting are "contrived" any more than the fact that private companies can profit from treating illness proves that those same companies created those diseases. Learn the definition of a logical fallacy buddy, because you clearly have no comprehension of it right now

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 If you will notice Paul, Kucinich, and Gravel all had the same campaign platform. Smaller government, protect The Constitution and the individual liberties and pull back our CIA and military around the world. How come only the United States has 732 military bases around the world. Is it because we have decided that we must keep the peace world wide, or is it we want to control and intimidate other nations to do what we want. You tell me since our government is run by corporations.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I also notice that those very policies will leave our enemies licking their chops to get us again, and the people are smart enough to understand this. Nobody would vote for someone whose policies will not keep this nation safe. Some of those military bases are unnecessary and for the purpose of more control than we need, but not the ones you're talking about here. Those are for the purpose of putting governments in place who will help FIGHT terrorism and not sponsor it

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude, you have drank too much government Cool-Aid. Why do you keep holding on to the myth that your government cares about preserving your liberties. It has been hijacked by corrupt bankers and corporate leaders. Look around you, it is a matrix of lies everywhere you go with respect to the government. Powerful people within government will do anything to stay in control, even deceive you. They want you to give up your liberties for security.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I have "drunk" nothing sir. First, we have given up NO "liberties"--the right to secretly plot terrorism against innocents never HAS BEEN and never WILL BE a "liberty"--and that's the ONLY THING that's been taken away. As a non-terrorist, I enjoy EVERY SINGLE ACTUAL FUCKING LIBERTY I enjoyed on September 10, 2001. Terrorists, on the other hand, should be concerned. As to the government wanting to "stay in control"--that's my point. They can't unless we are kept safe

[ADEAL416]

Sure there have been lies told by government before, and there will be lies in the future. But you can't point to ONE SINGLE FUCKING INSTANCE of ANY provision in the Patriot Act or any other security reform enacted since 9/11 being used for ANYTHING other than stopping another attack (which it has been used for more times that we will ever know). But again, no government that doesn't keep its people safe will EVER stay in power, so if they care about nothing else, they DO care about this

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 but in any event, it isn't only the media telling us that what happened was what happened, it is also everyone actually qualified to explain, and that would be structural engineers who have examined it. And gee, the shades of red are different--oh my, oh my, I mean it COULDN'T have been that their colors were just a teensy weensy bit altered by SITTING IN THAT DUST and they were no longer shining and new from construction????!!!!!!! GET WITH IT BUDDY!! YOU'VE GOT NOTHING!!

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude the Red Chips are attracted by a magnet and are layered. one side is shiny silver and the other is an iron compound with elemental Aluminum imbedded at the nano level. Check out the report for yourself.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 Care to cite any tests that show what would happen to those chips when embedded in that kind of rubble with God only knows what else? You can't? Didn't think so. No way to know WHAT they'd look like by then.

[lizardfirefighter110]

@ADEAL416 Dude, read the report for yourself. It is only a few clicks away on the computer that is in front of you. When it looks like thermite and acts like thermite there is a good chance that it is thermite. The only reason they went looking in the first place is the odd way in which building 7 collapsed. I think you are way behind in your research into this most pivotal event in American history.

[ADEAL416]

@lizardfirefighter110 I've seen it, and it does NOTHING to prove thermite, and even if it did, there are many possible sources of that in a building that size. And according, once again, to the EXPERT STRUCTURAL ENGINEERS who examined the collapse of Building 7, there was absolutely NOTHING out of the ordinary about the way it collapsed. Funny thing about that is though, you actually have to UNDERSTAND THE LANGUAGE YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT--and these are the ones who do

[BoomerNavy70]

Why in the hell would anyone put any credibility into a Cheney?

Her father will go down in history as one of the most corrupt and incompetent Vice Presidents in the history of the Nation.

I am glad I didn't fall into that gene pool.

Where was this woman talking about Keep America Safe when her old man was in charge of creating some of the most dangerous situations in the world.

He was the one in office when they flew into the World Trade Center. Was that keeping us safe?

[ADEAL416]

@BoomerNavy70 No it was not, but at least that side woke the hell up after that. BOTH sides had their heads up their asses before that day, so there was nothing better than that. Bill Clinton had repeatedly refused to make intelligence reforms that his intelligence experts warned him were necessary, and Bush also failed to make them when he got the warnings culminating with the August 6 memo. There's blame all around. But the Republicans are the ones who got with the program after the fact

[AtlasShruggery]

"Every time a Cheney speaks a demon gets its horns" - Zuzu Bailey

[callouschristian]

So funny how the Republicans finally have enough sense to show proper embarrassment toward the Cheney family's criminal actions against the USA. That just leaves the prosecution and (fingers crossed!) hanging them all for treason. Think positive!! We're getting there!!!

[redsoxfan426]

People like Sean Hannity, and the Cheney's seem to be doing all they can to frighten the American people that not voting for their party would put the nation in more danger of another attack. Ever since 9/11, they have been saying to the American people, if you don't want to see another 9/11, you had better not vote for the Democratic Party!!! Rep. Trent Franks of Arizona even called the election of Obama a game of Russian Roulette with terrorists!!

[callouschristian]

They are criminals. These are the same people that used our army against us by sending it over to Iraq and Afghanistan to terrorize innocent civilians. What's unbelievable is this bitch criminal whore liz cheney abuses our freedom of speech by defending her war criminal father and occupying our airwaves to further her (Fox's) terrorist agenda. Hang the war whore and follow up with the rest of the jokes on this panel.

[callouschristian]

Prosecute Bush and Cheney for War Crimes, Crimes Against Humanity, and Treason. When you support Republicans you are supporting Terrorism - the most reprehensible of whom is Liz the war whore Cheney.

[HopeForPeaceNow]

"This recession was caused by a credit bubble, the work of Congress, not Bush."

OK Roger - let's go;

The Global Economic Meltdown was caused by 2 main factors: Subprime loans/Credit Default Swaps. BOTH COULD have been regulated during the Bush years, by Bush, obviously, as he was CEO of the Economy at the time. IF ARMS, Interest Only Loans and No Doc loans HAD been regulated by W = NO MELTDOWN! IF Swaps had been Regulated = No Meltdown. $3 Trillion in Subprimes, $60 Trillion in Swaps.Got fact?

[Zedsdead1968]

I dont like any of them they all are for themselves and represent the rich and with that The Rich know this They Do Not Ever, Ever want to be Poor and they do not care who the fuck or fuck over, think for yourself put no faith in anyone but you and save your own money

[Uenbg]

Are things getting confusing? Information overload?

Check out my playlist called "The Great Conspiracy 2009 compilation" to make some sense out of all the different theories out there.

Only one is the truth and my playlist should help you determin which theory about this conspiracy is the truth and what is misinformation AND, most importantly, how to recognize misinformation. You will know after watching my playlist(s).

[ryen1992]

john176900

the Tarp was 600 Billion Bush only spent 300 Billion obama didnt have to spend the other 300 Billion, Look and See How Many democrats voted for the Taro.

NOW Everything Is obamas U cant blame Bush But U will.

10.2 Unemployment under obama

Stimulace 800 Billion For Union Workers and democrats

800 Billion Goverment Health Care

The American Dollar is Worthless so everyone will pay more for everything.

[ryen1992]

2010 VOTE THOS democrats OUT OF OFFICE, GET RID OF nancy policy. (obama) SOCIALISM (obama)

[ryen1992]

And to haveTort Reform.

Goverment Take Over of Health 300 Million will now be under Goverment Guidelines.

Mammograms (Change in Policy)

H1N1 Flue NOT TO BE GIVEN TO 65yo and Older (from CDC)

Women Pap Test, Change in policy

Medicare will be CUT BACK ON Health Care.

Medicade will be cut back on health care.

U will See Death Panels ( The Goverment Telling Doctors Who and What Treatments they can Give a Patient.

[ryen1992]

Lodger72

Norad, obama wants to Cut Back on how many Air Defence we have.

Since obama came in to office all he did was to Give MONEY to GM UNION WORKERS, Chrysler Union Workers, Union Teachers, The Stimulus Money went to states just to keep Union workers working.

Goverment TAKE OVER of Health Care, 260 Million have to change their health policy to cover 30 million uninsured, WHEN ALL U HAVE TO DO IS ALLOW PEOPLE BUY INSURANCE ACCROS STATE LINES, INsurance Companys MUST Cover Everyone

[Lodger72]

Bush and Cheney made us MUCH LESS SAFE! Their policies totally destabilized the Middle East! Iraq is greatly weakened and in danger of being taken over by Iran, and Pakistan is rife with terrorists!

[kejewa]

When lawyers run the country. Obama is a terrorist.

[mef75baby]

An act of war is from one country to another. You cannot go to war on an organization!

[mef75baby]

Liz Cheney is an idiot. Dec 7, 1941 we were attacked by another country (Japan)! Sept 11, 2001 we were attacked by a radical muslim group. This is comparing apples to oranges. It's funny to me how radical christian groups (KKK) could bomb black churches and commit hanus acts towards minorities but that's not seen as an act of war! By the way I'm aborn again christrian!

[Jamler3]

Can you folks get off the political platforms for a second, and just think about what this does to our families of those that died that day. Now we have to relive these events in our city with all the Press and opportunists that will no doubt carelessly use this platform to gain publicity. This is unconscionable decision to allow a civilian trial for this individual. This is going to be the beginning of a media circus.

[tomcat28563]

Jamler3...I understand your concern and my heart goes out to all that suffered as a result of the 9/11 tragedy. That said, there is countless suffering around the world as we speak. Just think of the number of children that died from STARVATION within the last 24-hrs because they did not have the basics - food! Lets not focus on what is "politically" correct - lets be that beacon on the hill and set an EXAMPLE for the rest of the world to see that we stand for JUSTICE!

[tomcat28563]

,,and the RULE OF LAW !!

[Jamler3]

Law has two sides... You must weigh the differnces... People Starvation and thoughtless acts of terrorism are two completely different issues. And it is only your political alliance that your drawing up to make that statement.  You may feel differently if you lost your brother or sister on 9/11. Where is the justice for their lives? Think about it for a bit before another comment on the LAW...

[tomcat28563]

I stand by my comment. You are allowing an opinion based solely on an "emotional experience" of that one given tragic moment in time. While I appreciate your sentiment - it does not reflect a "realistic" bigger picture view. Thanks for the "opinion".

[Jamler3]

Funny how only your responses are "realistic" and not that of "opinion"... Glad you think so highly of yourself. After reading some of your other posts, it has become how transparent you truly are... you actually contradict your own ridiculous rhetoric, suggesting our service men and women are ignorant. No more of My time will be wasted on such a lefty loon

[Lodger72]

Bringing these common criminals back to the scene of the crime and bring them to justice and giving them the death penalty is exactly what will happen. It is perfect. Scum like this do not deserve and WILL NOT GET the dignity of a Military Tribunal.

[AAL]

Liz Cheney loves her Daddy so much she goes on TV to defend him, because no one else will

Fucking stupid

[COM0fAek]

Liz Cheney is a vile, contemptible creature of the far right -- a warmongering opportunist who, like her father, knows she will never serve a day in the military or spend a day in harm's way. So from her safe comfortable perch she spews the hateful war mongering bile of the far right. Dick Cheney has the blood of tens of thousands of dead, maimed, and wounded on his hands. He is the very personification of evil, and his ambitious daughter has now joined him in that special, private hell.

[RogerOnTheRight]

Yet, in spite of all that, she and her dad still live on a higher moral and intellectual plane than Obama, Biden, Holder and the rest of that incompetent gang in the White House today.

Amazing.

[john176900]

Are you on crank or meth sidekick-dick is a terrorist and should been charge and water boarded and sentenced to death in court of law.She has no idea what the hell she is talking about>

[RogerOnTheRight]

Of course she knows what she is talking about. It's just that she uses the language of freedom and justice, hence you do not comprehend it.

[john176900]

She use the language of hate and fear mongering .That's her and rebuplickass right wing terrorist gig .If they had any good ideas that worked for the country then ....WTF happen ?

[RogerOnTheRight]

Hate? I think the language of hate is anything the Left hates to hear. Truth hurts.

But, let's see... we must pass this bill this summer. Emergency. Won't go into effect until after the next Presidential election though.

Or, trust us. If you pass this stimulus bill, unemployment will peak at 8%.

Or, Pelosi warning us of violence in the streets if the tea party protests don't stop.

Cuts both ways.

[john176900]

What truth we r in this mess because of gov bush and his sidekick dic . 1. false illegal war 2. tax cuts 3.black water 4.get-mo 5. stealing the presidential election 6.tarp 7. need i say more!!!!!!!!!!1111

[RogerOnTheRight]

That war was started in 1990 when Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait. The entire world demanded we make war on him. Hardly illegal.

Tax rates are not tax revenue. During the Bush years, tax revenues climbed to record levels, due to rate cuts. Simple math and fact checking, try it.

Blackwater? You are kidding now.

Gitmo? Obama cannot and will not close Gitmo. Any clue why? Take a stab, please.

This recession was caused by a credit bubble, the work of Congress, not Bush.

[Sage80]

Idiot leftists living in an alternate reality where terrorists do not exist. 911 never happened. Noe one's attacking US military in Afghanistan. Hasan was simply menstruating. You fantasy-living maniacal psychotics cannot be trusted.

[john176900]

Trying to debate facts with mindless right wingers is point less if you stop for a second and remove teabags for your airway you brains can get the much needed oxygen . Debate you'll dead brains cell is like playing chess with a crow when your winning they knock down all the pieces shit all over the board fly back south and clam victory .

[Sage80]

Why don't you just chant hope & change & Obama over & over again. Your little protest slogans are amazingly sophisticated arguments. How could I miss this brilliance. Whining little bitches think they have a right to have liberalism institutionalized & imposed legally upon free people in their fascistic thought control tendencies & convulsing when they don't get their way. Go get a job & make your own money pecker.

[john176900]

Um i do have a job and you my friend You people wish for your view to be law .When you people r in charge you run false flag mission so don,t impose your view on the rest of us inbreed ass wipe!!!!!!!!!! By the way i can by you over poker game with st bid of 10.

[Sage80]

The leftist psychotics (who apparently think that AQ is not a threat...at least not as much as melting ice for polar bears) are coming out of the woodwork here. With their chants & whinings believe that they are being evolved in their total lack of fear in terrorism. What's totally lacking are their minds & sanity as they bury their heads in the sand hoping that terrorism no longer exists because Obama smiles. Psychotics.

[tomcat28563]

Only fitting that your fringe far-right comments would appear on a FOX/Hannity post. There are two wars waged on behalf of your boyz "George and the Dick" and those in uniform and civilian capacity that ACTUALLY KNOW SOMETHING about the subject matter get beyond the Fox spin cycle. You should try it some time.............

[Sage80]

Are you in between HuffPo articles? Little bored with life? Looking fro conservative videos to be angry about, little child?

[tomcat28563]

Sage80....wow, you really bring something "constructive" to the table.....now be gone with your silly ineffective self !

[Ed76638]

My God. Teh cup runneth over with stupid.

[OmarThePug]

Liz Cheney and her dad are all about destroying a Republican form of govt and replacing it with military tyranny! All her arguments are "Two Wrongs Make a Right" fallacies. Its either an autocratic dictatorial tyrannical govt or your "safety" from a fabled threat. This woman is abusive to reason and a free Republic.

[RogerOnTheRight]

You have her confused with Osama Obama.

[john176900]

You are a brain washed cult member ?debated the facts with gop cult ............IS LIKE PLAYING CHESS WITH A CROW THE MIN. YOU STARTED WINNING THERE KNOCK OVER ALL THE YOUR PIECES ======AND SHIT ALL OVER THE BOARD =====THEN THEY FLY BACK TO THERE TRAILER PARK AND CLAIM VICTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!­1111

[savychris]

Hey mike you realize when you wish such a thing in the name of the creator ,your testing Karma,it makes it more likely you will get it ,I pray you do not ..from DetroitJungle CES

[savychris]

Fear Fear Fear,,How about Facts Facts Facts,,

Then something novel perspective,,Check out how FDR or Truman or Abraham Lincoln handled the Enemy..the Pres. is a hard Left State-ist ,"OLIGARCHY?Not about Pol.Party.

12 months from now a word becomes reality, The word is LIBERTY,and good by Tyranny."When the People Fear The Government,There is Tyranny.When the Government fears the people there is liberty.

How about Following our Founding Document's.Written in 8th grade English,it says what it says.

[TheRamenAvenger]

Fear!!! Fear!! Fear!!

[Lodger72]

That's all the Right's web-toed throwback followers thrive on, Ramen. It's commonly know psychology to whip the common masses up into a frenzy with fear tactics, and use emotions... while thinking people like us calmly use our minds and intellects for choices.

[ryen1992]

@tkdmike

Ur so fkn Stupid U have to copy this comment u just left from someone who left the comment on ur channel, just like a true democrat u need someone to think for U.

[ryen1992]

Welcome to the United States of obama

no longer Land of the Free.

[Lodger72]

you seem pretty free to me. what freedom have you lost?